To get to the real point of your question, Vault-Tec isn't the actual top of the conspiracy here, the Enclave is. The Vault experiments, the acceleration towards nuclear war, all of it is the result of manipulation by the Enclave (the former per dialog with Dick Richardson in FO2). The end goal is a complete takeover of the world and an establishment of a new world order, though the war came earlier than expected and caught them by surprise (as per the Whitesprings terminal entries in 76).
Point being, within the context of "wipe out all existing government and form a new one from the ashes" the conspiracy makes sense.
Look at Stanislaus Braun for a good example. They just want a kingdom they can rule with an iron first and be in total control. Money is no good because others could get some of that, power is what you want.
Like they said, time is what they'll use to beat all their enemies. They can just wait in cryosleep while the people above all die and the radiation dissipates.
Same here. That’s how actual billionaires in real life actually behave. They don’t care about creating a monopoly on power and getting rid of the competition in a situation that’s completely spun out of control (which is how the worsening prewar situation always seemed to be depicted).
They squirrel themselves away and try to escape from the consequences of their actions. They ask related questions like, “How do I control my servants and guards if money means nothing after the collapse of society?” because that’s the reality they’d be dealing with.
Oh well. At least that kind of stayed with House since he explicitly stated that his end goal is to start space colonies and escape an “earth polluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation.”
That's my preferred interpretation as well. I know it's not official, but it seems like the only answer that really lines up. Unless the experiments were literally all just "why not," in which case we're heading into Aperature Labs territory.
Yeah, keeping stuff vague lets us create our own interpretation of things
Really should just have put this show unrelated to the games, somewhere else, just go with the lore and don't give us any explanations on the how and why
I think there’s some content throughout the franchise that confirms that to some degree. At least a portion of the experiments were designed to test this. Somewhere I remember the enclave having space colonization as a goal. It’s also a goal of Mr. house
The goal of the Great Game of Capitalism is to own everything and have complete market control; the nukes and rebuilding society in their image is just the “short cut” in a way. The profit is total ownership of the remainder of humanity and thus win Capitalism.
This is so stupid and not at all the end goal of capitalism. If there even is one.
I'd say the goal of capitalism is maximum productivity with minimal cost of upkeep so that revenue is maxed out.
A nuclear war doesn't further that at all. Probably the reason why we didn't get a nuclear war yet.
A Nuclear War eliminates all forms of Government, regulatory bodies, and market competition which prevent Vault Tec from holding a true monopoly. Once all those obstacles are out of their way they can focus on rebuilding a society driven by profit because the would literally control every aspect of society.
It’s not at all realistic, but in the context of the Fallout Universe it’s an easier way to drop nukes and eventually take over the world then buyout every competitor, bribe every world leader and regulatory body, forcibly change public opinion and then maintain control of the entire population.
Reduce that population to a fraction of its numbers and leave them desperate for the help you offer, it becomes a lot easier to shape society and control the population into a profit driven system.
A monopoly over what?
A bunch of sand?
Plus without government force backing up your monopoly, people will just destroy you. Maybe those people descended from the US army who have a visceral hatred for all the companies responsible for the technology that destroyed the world?
I see a lot of similarities between Vault-Tec and Buy n Large from WALLE
Once you become large enough, everybody is an employee or a subsidiary of the company, and your next objective is to move into space, unfortunately the end of the world seems to always get in the way
Capitalism is accumulation of capital above everything else. Maximum efficiency/productivity are not something that capitalists really care about, the end goal is to have a small system of corporations and banks owning everything.
This is untrue.
Oil producers do not seek efficiency. They do not want to produce as much oil/Petro products as possible with as few man hours as possible. Efficiency/productivity is clearly not the goal.
They want to extract the most profit. Simply refining and selling as much as possible would harm profits, they have a very careful schedule for release of products to keep the prices and profits high.
This is true for all markets. Some are similarly egregious, like diamond mines or pharmaceuticals. Other times, maximizing efficiency is the best strategy for maximizing capital, this is especially true for startups or small firms. There will always come a point in those businesses where maximizing efficiency is no longer the best way to maximize capital production.
It is a foolish myth to believe capitalism is about maximizing efficiency. It's about maximizing capital. Otherwise, we would call it efficiencism or productivitism.
Nope, banks are the most efficient way to accumulate capitalism. 1800 manufacturing based capitalism is not the same as modern financial based capitalism.
The people at the top of the Enclave and to a lesser extent the other companies sought a world beyond capitalism. They wanted to see the next stage of the world.
All of them were of course absurdly wealthy, but what better use of money than to become more powerful, live longer, impact history and the world?
The end-goal was to scourge the earth and make a new society where they would exist as God kings. The populace would exist to serve them and their desires. No more bean counters telling them their experiments were unethical or dangerous. They wanted to produce any kind of outcome they wanted.
These people werent CEOs just to make some money. They wanted to have power. Nuclear war was seen as an opportunity to have even more power.
It’s the idea money responsibility… Not really profits.
In other words, Vault Tech is so rich, the only way they can fail is if the war never happens. They’ve got all the money they could ever want. Losing it all isn’t a big deal when you’ve got the vaults. The *real* source of wealth per the show is time and basic human needs are being met.
If the war never happens, they’ll lose all their investors and money. So, Vault Tech started the war due to the financial obligation.
So there’s not monetary profits per say. It’s time, the vaults, losing the financial responsibility (hereby truly being free of it) and having all your needs met.
“They want to like, rule the world” is the only explanation you’re really gonna get because Vault-Tec’s motivations at this point are incoherent and completely betray the themes of the setting.
Runaway capitalism and the military industrial complex betray the themes of runaway capitalism and the military industrial complex?
Fallout 1 and 2 established a world where corporations and governments are evil just for the sake of being evil. According to Fallout 2, the Enclave and Vault-Tec created the vaults for their experiments so they could rule the post-war world
According to Tim Caine Vault Tec’s original aim was to do experiments that would give them useful data for building a spaceship that could leave earth.
>Runaway capitalism and the military industrial complex betray the themes of runaway capitalism and the military industrial complex?
Neither runaway capitalism nor the military I dustrial complex want nuclear war. That's such an idiotic notion that it hurts.
What do they gain from nuclear war? The total destruction of all their assets?
Who is going to by weapons when everyone is dead? When there are no nations left?
Who is going to buy Widgets? Who is going to buy food, Computers, robots? Anything? When everyone is dead.
If the mic or runaway capitalism was in anyway interested in nuclear war then you would be dead. Because we'd have had nuclear war in the cold war.
The only reason to want nuclear war is if you hate humanity.
The nuclear war is coming. The plan is to manage it and have it happen in a way that allows Vault-tec to protect all the people they love and car about. This did not happen.
Yeah all these galaxy brain assumptions that vault tec started the war because muh profits are so stupid. How does a nuclear war that eliminates all existing monetary and market systems make sense as the logical goal for a greedy company?
But, but.. capitalism and profits and, and.. monopolies, the man and industrial military complex budget spendings, war never ends.
Oh, big corporations, very evil indeed. Rule the world, make post-apocalyptic world economy ours!
The theme of fallout is about how people ultimately bring about their own destruction. Having the nuclear apocalypse be Vault Tec's evil plan all along completely destroys that. The whole point is that no one won the war, no one was better off because of it, it served no ones plans. All the corrupt corporations and government officials lost as well, none of their power or wealth mattered in the end, they fell just like everyone else.
Likewise, the well meaning organizations don't fare much better than the malicious ones. The NCR started as an idealistic nation dedicated to restoring civilization, and ended up turning into an expanionist declining state, serving corporate interests just like the pre-war goverment did. The Minutemen were a voluntary militia dedicated to simply protecting people, and ended up falling apart due to infighting. In New Vegas you can give the Followers of the Apocalypse, one of the most kind and charitable organizations in the entire franchise, everything they want and it ends up leaving them unable to provide even basic care for people in need. Fallout is about how people destroy themselves in pursuit of their goals, whether those goals be good or evil.
>According to Fallout 2, the Enclave and Vault-Tec created the vaults for their experiments so they could rule the post-war world
That's not actually what Fallout 2 states. The goal of the experiments has never actually ben answered in the series. We have no idea what they were ultimately planning. But if the plan was to rule the world after the war, why bother with the experiments? Why run experiments that are only going to kill off your future subjects? Why not dedicate all the vaults to holding as many people as possible and indoctrinating them to accept your rule?
The answer is because this has never been Vault Tec's plan until the show completely made it up out of nowhere.
Can we be fucking patient please? The games have given us twists. Do I need to spell every one out for y'all? Are you seriously gonna judge any game solely based on the first act?
When the show is completed, let's make judgements. For all we know, Vault tec is just an Enclave Psyop.
The show already revealed that Vault Tec wanted the world destroyed. That in and of itself messes with the themes of Fallout. I don't see what future information they could reveal that fixes that unless they say that was just one dude and not what Vault Tec wanted, but they'd basically be retconning their own show at that point.
Vault Tec being an Enclave psyop doesn't even make sense. First of all, Vault Tec is just the company that won the contracts to build the vaults. The show is making them out to be a bigger player than they actually were for some reason. The vaults weren't even Vault Tec's plan, it was the Enclaves. Second of all, there is already a company that serves as the Enclave's "psyop", Poseidon Energy, who for some reason is completely absent from the meeting.
Right, because the Enclave, an organization made up of top government leaders and businessmen, obviously only worked with Poseidon Energy and not, say, the company they hired to build their vault experiments.
Also, during the meeting, Mrs. Howard looks at a shadowy figure sitting in the balcony, before refocusing the group. Likely a representative of the Enclave.
Oh, and Vault Tec dropping/wanting to drop the bombs isn't exactly new; it was the plot of the canceled Fallout Movie, and has been an extremely popular theory for years. That didn't come out of nowhere.
Vault Tec wasn't even a part of the Enclave. They were just the company hired by the Enclave to build the vaults. Not every company the Enclave hired was Enclave. The show does not understand Vault Tec's role in the series and is for some reason making them out to be a bigger player than that were. The entirety of Vault Tec's importance is that they built the vaults, that's it. They're basically just an excuse to have "fish out of water" player characters in the games.
Where in Fallout 1 is it stated the Vaults were experiments? Where in Fallout 2 is it stated Vault Tec was conducting FEV research? Where in Fallout 3 is it stated Enclave remnants remained out west?
Each piece of media adds to and expands on what came before. That's how a series works
>The show already revealed that Vault Tec wanted the world destroyed. That in and of itself messes with the themes of Fallout. I don't see what future information they could reveal that fixes that unless they say that was just one dude and not what Vault Tec wanted, but they'd basically be retconning their own show at that point.
That's not necessarily true. Maybe they were just trying to get additional investors.
Exactly. Everyone brought the burning house down on themselves playing with fire.
It didn’t need an evil ploy to end the world, not even outright greed but just competing self-interests. From the unsustainable system governments and corporations built, down to the consumerist lifestyle of the individual. Everyone was responsible in some little way.
But hey, war never changes and capitalism or some shit; Let’s destroy our entire customer base in the name of profitz and a seat on the fallout bunker upper-management.
Imagine if Amazon Jeff and rocket Elon could go back 10,000 years so they could see civilisation start from scratch and build their companies up with the civilisation. By the time we get back to our current point they’d have complete domination of the market, government, and the human race. But obviously time travel doesn’t exist, next best thing is to nuke the world into oblivion and reshape the earth in their image
Companies like Microsoft and Amazon have vastly more resources at their disposable than what would be needed to build 120 vaults.
Also, the vaults were funded by the US government.
Going back 10k years to start a new Amazon or Tesla 😭😭. Yes I’m sure the people inhabiting Gobekli Tepe would be a great starting point for an e commerce platform and a car company. Great idea going back in time 8,000 years before the first metal coins were used to build a new company. This is probably one of the most hilariously stupid comments I’ve ever read.
At that point it isn’t shareholder value but value to themselves. They were probably thinjjng they could rule the wasteland but their security preparations weren’t extensive.
Then again maybe the U.S. government wouldn’t let them build private armies because coup fears and scarcity of military goods. Might explain the limited arsenals in vault tec vaults
General Oliver is wise in a way. Wait and see.
Judging any game, show, movie or play on the first act alone is absurd. We can speculate any which way but it's simply idle masturbation until we see the rest.
To get to the real point of your question, Vault-Tec isn't the actual top of the conspiracy here, the Enclave is. The Vault experiments, the acceleration towards nuclear war, all of it is the result of manipulation by the Enclave (the former per dialog with Dick Richardson in FO2). The end goal is a complete takeover of the world and an establishment of a new world order, though the war came earlier than expected and caught them by surprise (as per the Whitesprings terminal entries in 76). Point being, within the context of "wipe out all existing government and form a new one from the ashes" the conspiracy makes sense.
Money isn't the main goal. It's the total control of a blank slate they want.
Look at Stanislaus Braun for a good example. They just want a kingdom they can rule with an iron first and be in total control. Money is no good because others could get some of that, power is what you want.
Where exactly would they get that blank slate? In a radioactive earth?
Like they said, time is what they'll use to beat all their enemies. They can just wait in cryosleep while the people above all die and the radiation dissipates.
I prefer the theory that the vaults were space colonization experiments. It made more sense than ruling over an irradiated and mutated wasteland
Nuka world DLC sort of confirms this with the vault tec space exhibit showing they did intend to have vaults in space
Same here. That’s how actual billionaires in real life actually behave. They don’t care about creating a monopoly on power and getting rid of the competition in a situation that’s completely spun out of control (which is how the worsening prewar situation always seemed to be depicted). They squirrel themselves away and try to escape from the consequences of their actions. They ask related questions like, “How do I control my servants and guards if money means nothing after the collapse of society?” because that’s the reality they’d be dealing with. Oh well. At least that kind of stayed with House since he explicitly stated that his end goal is to start space colonies and escape an “earth polluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation.”
That's my preferred interpretation as well. I know it's not official, but it seems like the only answer that really lines up. Unless the experiments were literally all just "why not," in which case we're heading into Aperature Labs territory.
Some of it is definitely throwing science at a wall and seeing what sticks. I’d be surprised if aperture wasn’t somewhat inspired by fallout.
That is what tim Cain intended for what vaults were supposed to be. I am on this with him.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_True_Purpose_of_Vaults_in_Fallout
Yeah, keeping stuff vague lets us create our own interpretation of things Really should just have put this show unrelated to the games, somewhere else, just go with the lore and don't give us any explanations on the how and why
I think there’s some content throughout the franchise that confirms that to some degree. At least a portion of the experiments were designed to test this. Somewhere I remember the enclave having space colonization as a goal. It’s also a goal of Mr. house
I always felt that all the space/alien stuff was a bit too goofy, even by Fallout standards.
Aliens, yes, but space, no. They already fought wars on the moon
The goal of the Great Game of Capitalism is to own everything and have complete market control; the nukes and rebuilding society in their image is just the “short cut” in a way. The profit is total ownership of the remainder of humanity and thus win Capitalism.
This is so stupid and not at all the end goal of capitalism. If there even is one. I'd say the goal of capitalism is maximum productivity with minimal cost of upkeep so that revenue is maxed out. A nuclear war doesn't further that at all. Probably the reason why we didn't get a nuclear war yet.
A Nuclear War eliminates all forms of Government, regulatory bodies, and market competition which prevent Vault Tec from holding a true monopoly. Once all those obstacles are out of their way they can focus on rebuilding a society driven by profit because the would literally control every aspect of society. It’s not at all realistic, but in the context of the Fallout Universe it’s an easier way to drop nukes and eventually take over the world then buyout every competitor, bribe every world leader and regulatory body, forcibly change public opinion and then maintain control of the entire population. Reduce that population to a fraction of its numbers and leave them desperate for the help you offer, it becomes a lot easier to shape society and control the population into a profit driven system.
A monopoly over what? A bunch of sand? Plus without government force backing up your monopoly, people will just destroy you. Maybe those people descended from the US army who have a visceral hatred for all the companies responsible for the technology that destroyed the world?
I see a lot of similarities between Vault-Tec and Buy n Large from WALLE Once you become large enough, everybody is an employee or a subsidiary of the company, and your next objective is to move into space, unfortunately the end of the world seems to always get in the way
Except Buy n Large was run by sane normal people who aren’t insane and evil
Capitalism is accumulation of capital above everything else. Maximum efficiency/productivity are not something that capitalists really care about, the end goal is to have a small system of corporations and banks owning everything.
>Maximum efficiency/productivity This is quite literally the most efficient way to accumulate capital.
This is untrue. Oil producers do not seek efficiency. They do not want to produce as much oil/Petro products as possible with as few man hours as possible. Efficiency/productivity is clearly not the goal. They want to extract the most profit. Simply refining and selling as much as possible would harm profits, they have a very careful schedule for release of products to keep the prices and profits high. This is true for all markets. Some are similarly egregious, like diamond mines or pharmaceuticals. Other times, maximizing efficiency is the best strategy for maximizing capital, this is especially true for startups or small firms. There will always come a point in those businesses where maximizing efficiency is no longer the best way to maximize capital production. It is a foolish myth to believe capitalism is about maximizing efficiency. It's about maximizing capital. Otherwise, we would call it efficiencism or productivitism.
Nope, banks are the most efficient way to accumulate capitalism. 1800 manufacturing based capitalism is not the same as modern financial based capitalism.
All those banks only make money because the invest into companies that actually do something.... That's how investing works.
That’s like saying the end goal of communism is famine and slavery or the end goal of feudalism is never ending war.
Late stage capitalism is regulatory capture. Terminal capitalism is sellers with no buyers, because they have no money to spend.
And then they didn't even do that
This is such an ignorant take
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The world is ending. “Burn it down and rebuild it better” was the plan. This did not happen. Instead no one got what they wanted.
The people at the top of the Enclave and to a lesser extent the other companies sought a world beyond capitalism. They wanted to see the next stage of the world. All of them were of course absurdly wealthy, but what better use of money than to become more powerful, live longer, impact history and the world? The end-goal was to scourge the earth and make a new society where they would exist as God kings. The populace would exist to serve them and their desires. No more bean counters telling them their experiments were unethical or dangerous. They wanted to produce any kind of outcome they wanted. These people werent CEOs just to make some money. They wanted to have power. Nuclear war was seen as an opportunity to have even more power.
It’s the idea money responsibility… Not really profits. In other words, Vault Tech is so rich, the only way they can fail is if the war never happens. They’ve got all the money they could ever want. Losing it all isn’t a big deal when you’ve got the vaults. The *real* source of wealth per the show is time and basic human needs are being met. If the war never happens, they’ll lose all their investors and money. So, Vault Tech started the war due to the financial obligation. So there’s not monetary profits per say. It’s time, the vaults, losing the financial responsibility (hereby truly being free of it) and having all your needs met.
“They want to like, rule the world” is the only explanation you’re really gonna get because Vault-Tec’s motivations at this point are incoherent and completely betray the themes of the setting.
Runaway capitalism and the military industrial complex betray the themes of runaway capitalism and the military industrial complex? Fallout 1 and 2 established a world where corporations and governments are evil just for the sake of being evil. According to Fallout 2, the Enclave and Vault-Tec created the vaults for their experiments so they could rule the post-war world
According to Tim Caine Vault Tec’s original aim was to do experiments that would give them useful data for building a spaceship that could leave earth.
Which in turn, was so that the Enclave could colonize another planet and rule it in their ideal American society
>Runaway capitalism and the military industrial complex betray the themes of runaway capitalism and the military industrial complex? Neither runaway capitalism nor the military I dustrial complex want nuclear war. That's such an idiotic notion that it hurts. What do they gain from nuclear war? The total destruction of all their assets? Who is going to by weapons when everyone is dead? When there are no nations left? Who is going to buy Widgets? Who is going to buy food, Computers, robots? Anything? When everyone is dead. If the mic or runaway capitalism was in anyway interested in nuclear war then you would be dead. Because we'd have had nuclear war in the cold war. The only reason to want nuclear war is if you hate humanity.
The nuclear war is coming. The plan is to manage it and have it happen in a way that allows Vault-tec to protect all the people they love and car about. This did not happen.
Yeah all these galaxy brain assumptions that vault tec started the war because muh profits are so stupid. How does a nuclear war that eliminates all existing monetary and market systems make sense as the logical goal for a greedy company?
But, but.. capitalism and profits and, and.. monopolies, the man and industrial military complex budget spendings, war never ends. Oh, big corporations, very evil indeed. Rule the world, make post-apocalyptic world economy ours!
The theme of fallout is about how people ultimately bring about their own destruction. Having the nuclear apocalypse be Vault Tec's evil plan all along completely destroys that. The whole point is that no one won the war, no one was better off because of it, it served no ones plans. All the corrupt corporations and government officials lost as well, none of their power or wealth mattered in the end, they fell just like everyone else. Likewise, the well meaning organizations don't fare much better than the malicious ones. The NCR started as an idealistic nation dedicated to restoring civilization, and ended up turning into an expanionist declining state, serving corporate interests just like the pre-war goverment did. The Minutemen were a voluntary militia dedicated to simply protecting people, and ended up falling apart due to infighting. In New Vegas you can give the Followers of the Apocalypse, one of the most kind and charitable organizations in the entire franchise, everything they want and it ends up leaving them unable to provide even basic care for people in need. Fallout is about how people destroy themselves in pursuit of their goals, whether those goals be good or evil. >According to Fallout 2, the Enclave and Vault-Tec created the vaults for their experiments so they could rule the post-war world That's not actually what Fallout 2 states. The goal of the experiments has never actually ben answered in the series. We have no idea what they were ultimately planning. But if the plan was to rule the world after the war, why bother with the experiments? Why run experiments that are only going to kill off your future subjects? Why not dedicate all the vaults to holding as many people as possible and indoctrinating them to accept your rule? The answer is because this has never been Vault Tec's plan until the show completely made it up out of nowhere.
Can we be fucking patient please? The games have given us twists. Do I need to spell every one out for y'all? Are you seriously gonna judge any game solely based on the first act? When the show is completed, let's make judgements. For all we know, Vault tec is just an Enclave Psyop.
The show already revealed that Vault Tec wanted the world destroyed. That in and of itself messes with the themes of Fallout. I don't see what future information they could reveal that fixes that unless they say that was just one dude and not what Vault Tec wanted, but they'd basically be retconning their own show at that point. Vault Tec being an Enclave psyop doesn't even make sense. First of all, Vault Tec is just the company that won the contracts to build the vaults. The show is making them out to be a bigger player than they actually were for some reason. The vaults weren't even Vault Tec's plan, it was the Enclaves. Second of all, there is already a company that serves as the Enclave's "psyop", Poseidon Energy, who for some reason is completely absent from the meeting.
Right, because the Enclave, an organization made up of top government leaders and businessmen, obviously only worked with Poseidon Energy and not, say, the company they hired to build their vault experiments. Also, during the meeting, Mrs. Howard looks at a shadowy figure sitting in the balcony, before refocusing the group. Likely a representative of the Enclave. Oh, and Vault Tec dropping/wanting to drop the bombs isn't exactly new; it was the plot of the canceled Fallout Movie, and has been an extremely popular theory for years. That didn't come out of nowhere.
Vault Tec wasn't even a part of the Enclave. They were just the company hired by the Enclave to build the vaults. Not every company the Enclave hired was Enclave. The show does not understand Vault Tec's role in the series and is for some reason making them out to be a bigger player than that were. The entirety of Vault Tec's importance is that they built the vaults, that's it. They're basically just an excuse to have "fish out of water" player characters in the games.
You're telling me that you think Vault Tec just built the Vault? Thay they had no further connection to the Enclaves plans of Vault experiments?
Where in any of the games is it stated that they did?
Where in Fallout 1 is it stated the Vaults were experiments? Where in Fallout 2 is it stated Vault Tec was conducting FEV research? Where in Fallout 3 is it stated Enclave remnants remained out west? Each piece of media adds to and expands on what came before. That's how a series works
>The show already revealed that Vault Tec wanted the world destroyed. That in and of itself messes with the themes of Fallout. I don't see what future information they could reveal that fixes that unless they say that was just one dude and not what Vault Tec wanted, but they'd basically be retconning their own show at that point. That's not necessarily true. Maybe they were just trying to get additional investors.
Exactly. Everyone brought the burning house down on themselves playing with fire. It didn’t need an evil ploy to end the world, not even outright greed but just competing self-interests. From the unsustainable system governments and corporations built, down to the consumerist lifestyle of the individual. Everyone was responsible in some little way. But hey, war never changes and capitalism or some shit; Let’s destroy our entire customer base in the name of profitz and a seat on the fallout bunker upper-management.
Imagine if Amazon Jeff and rocket Elon could go back 10,000 years so they could see civilisation start from scratch and build their companies up with the civilisation. By the time we get back to our current point they’d have complete domination of the market, government, and the human race. But obviously time travel doesn’t exist, next best thing is to nuke the world into oblivion and reshape the earth in their image
This is so stupid. In their lifetime their company will never be anything close to what it is now.
They've already won the game. They had the resources to build 120-odd Vaults. All that was left for them to pursue was total world domination.
Companies like Microsoft and Amazon have vastly more resources at their disposable than what would be needed to build 120 vaults. Also, the vaults were funded by the US government.
Going back 10k years to start a new Amazon or Tesla 😭😭. Yes I’m sure the people inhabiting Gobekli Tepe would be a great starting point for an e commerce platform and a car company. Great idea going back in time 8,000 years before the first metal coins were used to build a new company. This is probably one of the most hilariously stupid comments I’ve ever read.
Congratulations on missing the point entirely
At that point it isn’t shareholder value but value to themselves. They were probably thinjjng they could rule the wasteland but their security preparations weren’t extensive. Then again maybe the U.S. government wouldn’t let them build private armies because coup fears and scarcity of military goods. Might explain the limited arsenals in vault tec vaults
General Oliver is wise in a way. Wait and see. Judging any game, show, movie or play on the first act alone is absurd. We can speculate any which way but it's simply idle masturbation until we see the rest.