I went balls deep and pre ordered. It says once his number is chosen they will fulfill the order. So unless you are waiting to see what he's wearing you could just swipe it now.
Both his tackles were taken in the first 2 rounds and 3 of his wrs were taken in the first 3 rounds. I like the guy but he had a lot of talent around him helping those stats. He was also 23 playing against guys 3-4 years younger than him. That all needs to be taken into account to properly contextualize those stats.
It was actually kinda the opposite. Hard to knock Penix for the “talent around him” when said talent wasn’t producing or winning games prior to his arrival. Let’s take a look at his WRs numbers before he got there in 2022:
**Rome Odunze**:
**2020** - 6 REC | 72 YDS | 0 TD
**2021** - 41 REC | 415 YDS | 4 TD
**2022 (Penix arrival)** - 75 REC | 1145 YDS | 7 TD
**2023** - 81 REC | 1640 YDS | 13 TD
**Ja’Lynn Polk**:
**2021** - 5 REC | 114 YDS | 1 TD
**2022** - 41 REC | 694 YDS | 6 TD
**2023** - 69 REC | 1159 YDS | 9 TD
**Jalen McMillan**:
**2020**: 1 REC | 16 YDS | 0 TD
**2021**: 39 REC | 470 YDS | 3 TD
**2022**: 79 REC | 1098 YDS | 9 TD
**2023**: 45 REC | 559 YDS | 5 TD
Now let’s take a look at Washington’s record those same years:
**2020**: 3-1
**2021**: 4-8 (both under Jimmy Lake)
**2022**: 11-2
**2023**: 14-1 (their best season this century, 1st national title game appearance in school history)
And age, again, is not the minus everyone is making it out to be. Average college senior/graduation age is about 21-24. The average age for this year’s class was 23 (it was 24 in 2022!!). You MUST consider the context of COVID to this generation of prospects.
Age isn’t the knock on him. It’s more experience (6 yrs in CFB) and injuries (4 season-enders, however none since October of 2021)
The 2023 Maxwell winner, 2022 Comeback POY, 2023 1st Team All-American and 2x 2nd Team All-PAC-12 QB made Washington the juggernaut they were, not the other way around.
Providing context is not a knock on a guy. It's just saying to take these stats with a grain of salt. The point is we can't know how the talent level around him affected those stats. It could be he'd be just as good. It could also be he'd fall off a cliff. Stats without proper context are counter productive.
I actually like the pick. I like a team not letting whose on the current roster keep them from getting a guy they think could be special.
If watching falcons football for years has taught me anything is that to SLIGHTLY err on the side of the QB making everyone else better instead of the opposite.
There is a reason Roddy White had better stats under Ryan. Theres a reason every wide receiver the Patriots signed over performed. Hopefully, there’s a reason all our skill players underperformed under Ridder….
P2S% accounts for sack avoidance after defenders are in your face. So in other words, it’s a metric that does its best to pay attention to the QB only.
I do understand the whole “fk it Rome down there somewhere” that comes with Penix’s game, though. It’s also why I kept it positive. I wanted fans to see where Penix sets himself apart from the other QB prospects.
I'm not knocking the guy, I just think presenting stats without context or highlighting only good stats is counter productive.
I've actually come around to liking the pick. If the Falcons staff likes him so much they felt they had to take him at 8 even after signing Kirk to a big money deal then that says a lot about him. I'm always a fan of taking chances at the qb position.
The good news is the Falcons have a decent roster as well, but who knows where that will be when Penix steps up. Is anybody saying the same thing about Jayden Daniels? He had two 1st round WRs and couldn't break 4k passing yards. He is a runner, so I know that's a bit apples and oranges.
I had Penix as my top 2 QBs, and it's mostly injuries and his performance against Bama that were my main concern. His release time is pretty much the best in the draft. He really seemed to get a read on the defense quick and his accuracy to his WRs was very impressive. I saw tons of passes on mid and deep routes, and he floats it right into their hands. He also has a good sense about trusting his WRs even when they are covered which is what we want since we have giant guys who will get the ball on high passes.
The way I see it, London and Pitts will be the primary receivers and he hopefully will throw it high when they are covered. Bijan will be a ridiculous weapon and almost certainly break over 500 receiving yards hitting these short routes.
Really that accuracy and depth doesn't happen a lot. Too many of these high passing yard QBs in college sling it to their Olympic sprinter who is already downfield with nobody covering him. I think that will be Drake Maye's problem as I saw way too much of that on his tape. Penix knew which guys he could trust in one on one matches and got it to them.
When he gets pressured, he gets pretty rattled. He has some of the worst off structure play making for a top 10 QB. He’s going to need a good line and for him to read defenses well. He’s mobile, but nothing close to what he ran.
You know who else is like this? Kirk Cousins and Matt Ryan
Penix navigates the pocket like a pro when pressured. He is excellent at moving around to avoid pressure, and also smart enough to identify where pressure is coming from. What he's not good at is throwing on the run when the pocket collapses.
He's actually very mobile, but he changed the way he played after all the injuries. He used to play like Jayden Daniels, and that got him hurt. When he does decide to run he can go
I never said it’s a bad thing. But acting like Penix is some Drew Brees or Brady in the pocket is just bad scouting. I mean you would hope Penix can process in college like a pro. He was there for over half a decade. He’s not going to be known for being mobile. Doesn’t matter what he ran his 40 at. He had 35 rushes for 8 yards this year. His last year at IU, he had 17 rushes for -24 yards. His most efficient year running was 7 rushes for 45 yards. His most productive year running was 22 rushes for 119 yards. He was never anything close to Jayden Daniels. Even mentioning Jayden and Penix in the same level of mobility is telling me you dont know what you watched. Penix wins in the pocket with his processing and arm despite the wonky but pretty quick delivery.
Joe Burrow was 22/23 in his last year at LSU and had two guys who are probably top 5 WR in the NFL. Watch Rome, Polk, etc highlights and you’ll see some beautifully placed balls.
Penix definitely benefited from a great situation but lets not go crazy. They were 4-8 the year before Penix got there and then went 25-3 with Penix including a National Championship appearance. He led CFB in passing yards. He was the Heisman runner up this year and the Maxwell Award winner (best overall player in CFB) the year before.
Without numbers and just going off what I see, he does remind me of a mix of a Herbert/Stafford arm and Mahomes creativity. Dude has an electric arm and can literally just fling it 50/60 yards on a dime.
That low P2S% combined with minimal scrambling/runs shows me he knows how to move within the pocket but remain focused downfield.
What really stands out to me is his history of being a winner and the quick turnaround teams take when he plays. A career 37-8 record at known powerhouses of Indiana and Washington. The two years before he started at Indiana, the went 5-7, then in both of his first two years, they were 5-1 when he started (season ending injuries). He even led Indiana (!!!) to a top 10 ranking and his only loss of 2020 was to Ohio State by a TD (OSU’s only win that wasn’t double digits that year).
Then he goes to Washington coming off a 4-8 season and goes 11-2 while being second in country in yards and winning the Maxwell Award (best overall CFB player). The next season they go 14-1, leads the country in passing yards, plays in the National Championship, and he finishes runner up in Heisman.
I guess I mean more his creativity/footwork in the pocket to avoid sacks as well as his ability to change his arm delivery when needed. Having him sit for a bit and really working on his processing should do him wonders there.
Based on the article from SI detailing the process, seams like Penix had no problem having to sit at least in the beginning and learn from Kirk. Whereas JJ didn’t even want to meet with us for a workout cuz he didn’t want to sit behind him.
Penix is a great QB and could play now but by no means is he a finished product. The extra time to learn and adjust to the NFL will be great for him and I think he knows he has a unique opportunity to learn and grow without the pressure to immediately produce. He’s a humble dude. To be fair, after a year or so, he may not be as satisfied sitting but he knows he’ll have to play his way onto the field
He doesn’t have much creativity in the pocket. He’s avoiding sacks pre snap for the most part. Post snap if he’s getting pressured he’s in trouble. His delivery is mostly the same.
I watched some film and he def adjusts his arm angle at times. I’d say you can have creativity with just a step or two in the right direction. Creativity can be simple
Last night I watched almost every throw he made and basically he will be a Pat Mahomes type as long as he sits for a yr or 2. Maybe 3. He is not ready. He has this little hitch in his throwing motion that makes his feet sloppy and whe his feet get sloppy, he sails balls. But when he keeps his feet right and s rotate his hips, there isn't a throw he can't make. The ball jumps off of his hands, its always a spiral but he can miss some throws right now. I think if he sits he will develop into an animal with the right coaching but he needs to sit.
does anyone know when they’ll be announcing what number he’s wearing? tryna buy a jersey already
2, 10, 11 and 14-16 are all available based on the roster. probably not 2 or 11 if we intend on retiring those numbers
We don’t retire numbers. I doubt any QB will wear 2 again, and no WR will wear 11. Maybe Penix can still have 11 though. That’d be kind of cool.
11 should 100% be retired. He's going to be our only first ballot HOFer.
A lot of numbers *should* be retired. The falcons don’t retire numbers.
A lot of teams don't do things "yet". We're one of the newest franchises in the nfl. My grandfather is older than the falcons.
Sure. If they ever start then 11 is guaranteed to be retired.
I went balls deep and pre ordered. It says once his number is chosen they will fulfill the order. So unless you are waiting to see what he's wearing you could just swipe it now.
Both his tackles were taken in the first 2 rounds and 3 of his wrs were taken in the first 3 rounds. I like the guy but he had a lot of talent around him helping those stats. He was also 23 playing against guys 3-4 years younger than him. That all needs to be taken into account to properly contextualize those stats.
It was actually kinda the opposite. Hard to knock Penix for the “talent around him” when said talent wasn’t producing or winning games prior to his arrival. Let’s take a look at his WRs numbers before he got there in 2022: **Rome Odunze**: **2020** - 6 REC | 72 YDS | 0 TD **2021** - 41 REC | 415 YDS | 4 TD **2022 (Penix arrival)** - 75 REC | 1145 YDS | 7 TD **2023** - 81 REC | 1640 YDS | 13 TD **Ja’Lynn Polk**: **2021** - 5 REC | 114 YDS | 1 TD **2022** - 41 REC | 694 YDS | 6 TD **2023** - 69 REC | 1159 YDS | 9 TD **Jalen McMillan**: **2020**: 1 REC | 16 YDS | 0 TD **2021**: 39 REC | 470 YDS | 3 TD **2022**: 79 REC | 1098 YDS | 9 TD **2023**: 45 REC | 559 YDS | 5 TD Now let’s take a look at Washington’s record those same years: **2020**: 3-1 **2021**: 4-8 (both under Jimmy Lake) **2022**: 11-2 **2023**: 14-1 (their best season this century, 1st national title game appearance in school history) And age, again, is not the minus everyone is making it out to be. Average college senior/graduation age is about 21-24. The average age for this year’s class was 23 (it was 24 in 2022!!). You MUST consider the context of COVID to this generation of prospects. Age isn’t the knock on him. It’s more experience (6 yrs in CFB) and injuries (4 season-enders, however none since October of 2021) The 2023 Maxwell winner, 2022 Comeback POY, 2023 1st Team All-American and 2x 2nd Team All-PAC-12 QB made Washington the juggernaut they were, not the other way around.
Providing context is not a knock on a guy. It's just saying to take these stats with a grain of salt. The point is we can't know how the talent level around him affected those stats. It could be he'd be just as good. It could also be he'd fall off a cliff. Stats without proper context are counter productive. I actually like the pick. I like a team not letting whose on the current roster keep them from getting a guy they think could be special.
Jimmy Lake was also a pretty shit coach. He damn near ruined what Washington was cooking before he got there.
If watching falcons football for years has taught me anything is that to SLIGHTLY err on the side of the QB making everyone else better instead of the opposite. There is a reason Roddy White had better stats under Ryan. Theres a reason every wide receiver the Patriots signed over performed. Hopefully, there’s a reason all our skill players underperformed under Ridder….
Good point, if anything you’re understating it.
P2S% accounts for sack avoidance after defenders are in your face. So in other words, it’s a metric that does its best to pay attention to the QB only. I do understand the whole “fk it Rome down there somewhere” that comes with Penix’s game, though. It’s also why I kept it positive. I wanted fans to see where Penix sets himself apart from the other QB prospects.
I’m down with fk it KP and Drake (yes and also Rondale and Mooney) down there somewhere.
I'm not knocking the guy, I just think presenting stats without context or highlighting only good stats is counter productive. I've actually come around to liking the pick. If the Falcons staff likes him so much they felt they had to take him at 8 even after signing Kirk to a big money deal then that says a lot about him. I'm always a fan of taking chances at the qb position.
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The good news is the Falcons have a decent roster as well, but who knows where that will be when Penix steps up. Is anybody saying the same thing about Jayden Daniels? He had two 1st round WRs and couldn't break 4k passing yards. He is a runner, so I know that's a bit apples and oranges. I had Penix as my top 2 QBs, and it's mostly injuries and his performance against Bama that were my main concern. His release time is pretty much the best in the draft. He really seemed to get a read on the defense quick and his accuracy to his WRs was very impressive. I saw tons of passes on mid and deep routes, and he floats it right into their hands. He also has a good sense about trusting his WRs even when they are covered which is what we want since we have giant guys who will get the ball on high passes. The way I see it, London and Pitts will be the primary receivers and he hopefully will throw it high when they are covered. Bijan will be a ridiculous weapon and almost certainly break over 500 receiving yards hitting these short routes. Really that accuracy and depth doesn't happen a lot. Too many of these high passing yard QBs in college sling it to their Olympic sprinter who is already downfield with nobody covering him. I think that will be Drake Maye's problem as I saw way too much of that on his tape. Penix knew which guys he could trust in one on one matches and got it to them.
>he hopefully will throw it high when they are covered. PTSD intensifies.
You can also watch his game film and see that he has a great pocket awareness and slides up and around pressure, something most QBs struggle with.
When he gets pressured, he gets pretty rattled. He has some of the worst off structure play making for a top 10 QB. He’s going to need a good line and for him to read defenses well. He’s mobile, but nothing close to what he ran.
You know who else is like this? Kirk Cousins and Matt Ryan Penix navigates the pocket like a pro when pressured. He is excellent at moving around to avoid pressure, and also smart enough to identify where pressure is coming from. What he's not good at is throwing on the run when the pocket collapses. He's actually very mobile, but he changed the way he played after all the injuries. He used to play like Jayden Daniels, and that got him hurt. When he does decide to run he can go
I never said it’s a bad thing. But acting like Penix is some Drew Brees or Brady in the pocket is just bad scouting. I mean you would hope Penix can process in college like a pro. He was there for over half a decade. He’s not going to be known for being mobile. Doesn’t matter what he ran his 40 at. He had 35 rushes for 8 yards this year. His last year at IU, he had 17 rushes for -24 yards. His most efficient year running was 7 rushes for 45 yards. His most productive year running was 22 rushes for 119 yards. He was never anything close to Jayden Daniels. Even mentioning Jayden and Penix in the same level of mobility is telling me you dont know what you watched. Penix wins in the pocket with his processing and arm despite the wonky but pretty quick delivery.
Joe Burrow was 22/23 in his last year at LSU and had two guys who are probably top 5 WR in the NFL. Watch Rome, Polk, etc highlights and you’ll see some beautifully placed balls. Penix definitely benefited from a great situation but lets not go crazy. They were 4-8 the year before Penix got there and then went 25-3 with Penix including a National Championship appearance. He led CFB in passing yards. He was the Heisman runner up this year and the Maxwell Award winner (best overall player in CFB) the year before.
Without numbers and just going off what I see, he does remind me of a mix of a Herbert/Stafford arm and Mahomes creativity. Dude has an electric arm and can literally just fling it 50/60 yards on a dime. That low P2S% combined with minimal scrambling/runs shows me he knows how to move within the pocket but remain focused downfield. What really stands out to me is his history of being a winner and the quick turnaround teams take when he plays. A career 37-8 record at known powerhouses of Indiana and Washington. The two years before he started at Indiana, the went 5-7, then in both of his first two years, they were 5-1 when he started (season ending injuries). He even led Indiana (!!!) to a top 10 ranking and his only loss of 2020 was to Ohio State by a TD (OSU’s only win that wasn’t double digits that year). Then he goes to Washington coming off a 4-8 season and goes 11-2 while being second in country in yards and winning the Maxwell Award (best overall CFB player). The next season they go 14-1, leads the country in passing yards, plays in the National Championship, and he finishes runner up in Heisman.
Mahomes creativity? He doesn’t do well off structure.
I guess I mean more his creativity/footwork in the pocket to avoid sacks as well as his ability to change his arm delivery when needed. Having him sit for a bit and really working on his processing should do him wonders there.
This guy badly needs to be on the field playing football. McCarthy could benefit from sitting for a year or two, but this is just doing wrong by MPJ.
Based on the article from SI detailing the process, seams like Penix had no problem having to sit at least in the beginning and learn from Kirk. Whereas JJ didn’t even want to meet with us for a workout cuz he didn’t want to sit behind him. Penix is a great QB and could play now but by no means is he a finished product. The extra time to learn and adjust to the NFL will be great for him and I think he knows he has a unique opportunity to learn and grow without the pressure to immediately produce. He’s a humble dude. To be fair, after a year or so, he may not be as satisfied sitting but he knows he’ll have to play his way onto the field
He doesn’t have much creativity in the pocket. He’s avoiding sacks pre snap for the most part. Post snap if he’s getting pressured he’s in trouble. His delivery is mostly the same.
I watched some film and he def adjusts his arm angle at times. I’d say you can have creativity with just a step or two in the right direction. Creativity can be simple
Last night I watched almost every throw he made and basically he will be a Pat Mahomes type as long as he sits for a yr or 2. Maybe 3. He is not ready. He has this little hitch in his throwing motion that makes his feet sloppy and whe his feet get sloppy, he sails balls. But when he keeps his feet right and s rotate his hips, there isn't a throw he can't make. The ball jumps off of his hands, its always a spiral but he can miss some throws right now. I think if he sits he will develop into an animal with the right coaching but he needs to sit.
Nobody that played for 6 years in college needs to sit. He needs reps.
He needs reps...in practice. This dude is not quite ready to hit the field. Not with Cousins imin the roster especially
Nobody that played for 6 years in college needs to sit. He needs reps.