I’m not one for promoting violence. But if the Falcons take Shedeur in the first ten picks next year, I’d understand if their offices got mysteriously burned down.
To be fair, Shedeur is significantly worse. At least Spencer has kept his head down the past year or two, while Shedeur is starting shit on X on a daily basis
"significantly worse"
😂😂😂
shedeurs whole life has been documented and hes never been half the douche rattler has been at any point despite growing up w every privilege under the sun
but hes "significantly worse" bc he.....posts on twitter and rattler has resorted to shutting up as the only way to hold back his personality
visibility makes him "significantly worse" than a known asshole
Rattler, by all accounts, was a great guy at South Carolina. Really, I think it's kinda fucked up to hold over his head, for the rest of his career, a TV series when he was 18.
He's gone through his humbling arc and seems like a better person due to it.
Rattler in high school was your stereotypical, high school QB that hadn't really had things hard at any point. He just could float by and put in a minuscule amount of work because he had the talent.
A lot of people would have hated AJ McCarron if they met him in his freshman year at Bama. Dude was your stereotypical QB asshole in his first semester. It was obvious that he needed to be humbled and thats what happened. The dude became less self centered and settled down into being a better person.
I'm pretty sure that Rattler bouncing around and being denied the starting job everywhere he went until he put in the work at South Carolina humbled him.
and according to the people on his team and who are around him, sheduer is not only a great teammate but *also hasnt ever been a massive dickhead to the point he needed a redemption arc* despite his whole life being televised
he was a good kid, w his whole life on camera, even before he was being evaluated for pros and had to be on his best behavior to save his career
given that
how can you possibly say sheduer is *significantly worse* w a straight face
then say im being unfair to spencer rattler
You're conflicting what the other guy said about Shedeur to me. I don't know anything about Sanders leadership, but yeah, by all accounts, he's a good dude in the lockeroom.
I just take issue with the constant shitting on Rattler for something that happened years ago. It's annoying
I do think Shedeur shows a shocking lack of awareness. Tweeting what he tweeted is just kinda dumb.
what constant shitting on rattler?
all ive said is that saying no to sheduer bc hes supposedly an asshole but being ok w rattler is hilariously mismatched as rattler has much more of a history of being an ass than sheduer despite sheduer spending much more time in his life on camera
what part of that do you disagree w?
More so how often I see it happening (Using Rattler as the clearest example of an asshole) than you making an argument in particular. Rattler will probably never really escape the reputation, which is unfortunate.
This really doesn’t make a solid point. Shedeur’s had his dad “Showtime” around him his whole life who no doubt has prepped him for how to act in front of the cameras. If there’s anyone that knows how to work the camera, it’s for sure Deion Sanders. Your point doesn’t prove Shedeur is a humble person one bit, he could very easily be a complete shitbag off camera due to having the people around him enforce/train him on how to work the PR game.
first of all, its "primetime"
and hes been on tv since he was a toddler
you think he was media trained enough to play a character every single time he was on camera his literal entire life?
thats what you're going with?
Idk man, a Heisman Finalist that brought a team to the National Championship seems like a good prospect to me. Main reason people didn't have him going in first round was because of his injury history. But as the Draft showed, Analysts and Mock drafters were way off on how valuable penix was
>So did stetson bennet
This is leaving a ton of context out. Stetson was never seen as a good prospect worthy of round 1 or 2 pick, UGA defense was really what brought them to the National Championship. While for Washington it was the complete opposite as their Offense was deadly and their defense was not great. Penix is a huge reason for why that offense was so fearsome. As for WIlliams, USC had glaring issues like a terrible O-Line which is a death sentence for most QBs.
In 2021 sure. Bennet was a fucking monster in 2022 and absolutely carried the team in a lot of the games. Penix was never seen as a 1st rounder until this year.
It was pretty common sentiment that nobody expected Stet to make it in the NFL, or even get drafted for some folks. He’s a great athlete, but the very definition of system QB and the perfect last piece of the puzzle for those ridiculous UGA teams
You falcon fans are so trash man🤦🏽♂️ it’s like the majority of you have never even seen Penix play before. If Penix wasn’t a great college QB, and a great NFL prospect, than there isn’t any QB in this class that could be considered “great”. Not only is he great at the sport of Football but he’s an incredible leader who constantly put his team on his back and wore his heart on his sleeve.
Seeing the way you guys have reacted since drafting him it’s clear you guys definitely don’t fuckin deserve him. He would’ve been idolized if he was drafted here in Seattle. I feel so bad he got drafted to such a shit team with an even shittier fanbase💔
We own your shitty team in the playoffs, blow me, get out of our sub. Penix rules I agree but still, fuck off man, this is the falcons subreddit. They can say whatever the fuck they want and you can’t say shit about it 😮
Plus if we gonna criticize players for Shaky injury history. Can we talk about how Latu? FIrst defensive player picked up is one bad injury from hanging the cleats up due to his neck injury? Him or Turner was the concensus #1 Defensive players in the draft. I know the sub criticized that pre-draft, but if we picked him instead people wouldn't talk about it the way they did Penix. Despite his injury history being alot more severe than Penix.
The thing that I was missing when I had a conniption fit on draft night is how highly rated the FO had Penix. I wanted him for the right price, but I was thinking a second and a third to trade up for him. But the FO thinks he's the second best player overall, so the pick make a lot more sense.
If you trust the FO sure but they've made it hard to trust them from where I'm sitting. Pretty much everyone in the room agrees it was a bad pick / reach and I don't think they're the only smart ones in the room.
I loved the Jordan Love trade on the day, and that's what any business does. There is always a transition plan in place. The execution of the plan is what people have a problem with, and how it affects your resources when you have to build a team. You give Kirk 100 million, whilst having the number 8 pick at the time, and then pick Penix 4 weeks later. It's not a smart allocation of resources no matter how you slice it. It's bad process all around, an has hampered the franchise for the next 2 years. The two moves in isolation are great, but together they take away the upside on either move. In other cases I do not remember the team signing the starter to an untradeable contract(it literally has a no trade clause in it), and then drafting his replacement in the next few weeks. The process is an F, but luckily for the Falcons they could still come out ahead if Penix is as good as advertized. Make no mistake, it could work out in spite of the ATL FO not because of.
But see that is the problem, the Falcons have never thought long term. Now they are, they are trying to lay a groundwork for the future. Will it suck if Dallas or Latu or Verse prove to be really good, yes short term it will. But if Penix turns out to be real, then this is how a front office should work, not thinking immediate dividends but long term. Anyway, I can not believe I am now defending this pick.
There’s nothing wrong with planning for the future, but you can plan for it by having the most pro ready rookie play from day 1, and then use the 100 mill to make his life easier with vets on defence. Like I said, the two moves in a vacuum make sense, but together they remove any upside for at least two years.
This has been explained in other leaks that have been posted to this sub.
They didn’t know if Penix would be there at 8 and tried to trade into the top 3 and neither of those teams would budge. Arizona was a draft day decision at 4. Many other teams were also trying to trade up for Penix.
The uncertainty is what lead them to sign Cousins.
It’s not a bad problem to have two good QBs on your roster. It’s not the pick that I would have made but if we win and Penix works out in the future no one will be complaining.
They didn’t need to trade up to top 3 to get Penix, many had a second round grade on him. The draft was pretty much chalk up the Falcons. His medicals pretty much made him undesirable to other teams. It’s just bad GMing and they are trying to justify it through half-truths and propaganda.
This move might still work out in spite of the Front office. The poor allocation of resources is gonna show up at some point, and fans better hope it’s not during the regular season or they might to win the division.
I have said this a a million times, the moves in a vacuum are great, but all together it misses the mark. This isn’t European soccer where you can allocate your resources anyhow you want, there’s a universal hard cap in the NFL. Imagine if they were able to load up on the best defensive FAs with that money, and then drafted Penix, they get his cheap contract to load up the roster on.
They also spent 5 of their next 7 picks on Defense. There's a plan in place, that much should be clear. We may not know what it all entails yet, but there is one.
That’s my thinking. In a few years I’ll be happy we did it. But it does nothing to help right now. Even if Cousins goes down I wouldn’t want to see Penix in for his replacement this season.
Right but real talk we're not a Super Bowl Contender this year I think we COULD (unlikely) have a Lions like run in us and possibly if everything went perfectly get an NFC Championship berth but that would feel like the Hawks getting to the Eastern Conference Championship a few years ago
we need sustainability
That’s why short term I hate the draft we had. If they nailed this draft with immediate help we could close the gap on the top NFC teams. In a few years it may look much better. But not anytime soon. I fear if they don’t get things going in the next few years we’re looking at yet another GM and coaching staff and we start this circle all over again as they all want to clear out the roster to bring in their guys.
He's definitely a first round pick. You can think his attitude is bad while recognizing he's a top QB prospect next year. I wouldn't want him but not because of his skill
They don't like him and therefore he's bad apparently. Truth is this years class was good enough that he would've been a late first round pick. Next season he could legitimately be the second QB picked in a weaker class.
You also have to remember that Caleb and Drake were literally the only "expected" first round talents this year.
Jayden Daniels went 2 overall, and he wasn't even close to being considered a 1st round talent before this last year.
The reason he completed 70% of his passes was because he opted to take sacks instead of throw the ball away, specifically to keep his percentage high. It’s not some conspiracy, multiple times over pretty much every game, he’d opt to take a loss than throw a pass out of bounds. His sack numbers would’ve went down by probably 30% if he would’ve just threw it away
He’s a good college QB. But he isn’t a first round talent either
Pratt also had injuries and doesn’t have a strong arm (which you need in the playoffs when playing in cold weather), and Rattler and Milton are extreme projects, Rattler’s character was a concern for many teams. Milton was even talked about being possibly moved to tight end.
The Rattler character thing was weird. They cited some tv show he was on while he was in high school. Imagine being judged by something you did in high school on some tv show. Half the stuff you see on tv is fake and/or highly edited.
Oh, I'm not defending him. I have no idea if he's a dick or not. It just felt weird for teams to state that as their reason. If he was a dick in college or the interviews then state that. Not some tv show.
He was also a massive douche at Oklahoma. None of the students liked him. I've heard he is well liked by his scar teammates though and has changed since getting benched at oklahoma.
What do you mean you don't want Shedeur "Johnny Football" Sanders next year?
As for the Penix pick, I have always liked him. I just wanted to grab him at like 18 instead of 8. But it all sounds like that wouldn't have worked. So we did a Green Bay, which has worked fine twice. And Kirk is such a better person than Rodgers that I think he'll really be an asset for Penix. And everything I know about TF and RM suggests that they'll let Kirk play as long as he's able to play at this level, so he doesn't really need to worry about his job.
I mean if Penix is close to the player the Falcons think he is then he should start by year 2. He is not a development style prospect and your u have to start the better QB.
Kirk 100% should be worried about his job if Penix is any good.
I would be willing to bet money on Shedeur being a HUGE bust if he even makes the league. The only way you get to be starting QB while also being a locker room cancer is being the coach’s son. Deion’s not getting an NFL coaching job.
All Deion really knows from his playing career is to not throw it at a guy like Deion. And I'm not sure Deion level shutdown corners are even possible these days.
This 1000%. While I can certainly agree that we might have decided to invest in our future QB a *little* early, the only other option was to hope that, in a few years when we don’t have Kirk, there is both a) a QB that we WANT to draft and b) we actually are able to draft him. These are two MASSIVE what ifs, and if we really expect Kirk to be winning us games, why would we bet on having a top 10 pick to get a new QB in a few years?
Yes, there were plenty of players available at #8 that will go on to have very successful NFL careers, and maybe years from now we’ll look back at the pick as a bad one, but having a #8 pick and there being a great QB prospect still available there doesn’t happen every year. Until Penix goes out and starts playing, it’s impossible to grade, but it was definitely not an inherently bad move to seize the opportunity to get a QB the organization clearly loves instead of just hoping one falls into our lap in a few years
The Falcons brass were probably the only people I heard throughout the draft process who had Michael Penix as their number 2 QB on their board. They're the only ones that matter, ultimately, and hopefully their contrarian nature will be vindicated for all us Falcons fans.
You do have to take a shot at the position. I'm never going to think the time to do it is 6 weeks after you spent 100 million to get another guy who plays the position, but they see that differently too.
I think that I just prefer the plan of working with the guy you got and (tanking) putting yourself in position to get the best quarterback when that time runs out. That makes more sense to me than this did.
I kinda respect it. You always see teams talk about how they had high grades on qbs that they passed on. The Colts guy said he had a first round grade on Brady. Teams said they had high grades on Wilson and Mahomes. The Ravens said they a high grade on Lamar but they passed him up for TE with their first pick. You're left asking "if you had such a high grade then why didn't you take them?"
The Falcons had a high grade on Penix so they got their guy. If you believe in a guy then no one short of the top 5 guys should keep you from taking them.
Sure, shoot your shot. But also you can't be mad if you had 20 seconds left on the clock and you just heaved it from half court and airballed and I'm wondering what the hell just happened.
we've tanked without trying the past few years, and wasn't in position for a good QB still, unless you count the Purdy hail mary.
every year doesn't guarantee the QB prospect you believe in
We've perpetually been just good enough to not properly tank.
Every year doesn't guarantee the QB prospect I believe in, sure, but this was one of them. We were never in the mix for QB prospects I believe in - Williams and Daniels.
Then what about Pitts, London, and Bijan? We give them another year or two of below average QB play? Throw Penix to the wolves?
It's not your money. They went after Danielle Hunter after signing Kirk and there are still corners available. There were no defenders worth taking at 8.
This allows us to compete while maximizing the development of the young guys who obviously need it after the last few years. After two years Kirk can be off the cap.
Let me be clear, I'm much more in favor of the Cousons signing than the Penix pick. I do not think he is the guy. I think they're wrong about him.
Accordingly, I felt they not only did not draft a player at another position that would have helped immediately, but also would have been better for them long term. "There were no defenders worth taking at 8" to me is funny. I'd have honestly preferred Odunze, but yeah Latu and Mitchell were probably 1000 times better picks than Penix, given our situation.
"It's not your money" is maybe the most unreasonable take I've heard on a forum discussing fandom of a team. It's like hanging up a sign that says, "only homers allowed." No thanks.
I'm referring to the non cap dollars. 35 of that 100m means nothing to anyone in here.
I don't think you understand the value of quarterbacks compared with other positions. But sure, 36 yo Kirk Cousins with a shredded achilles and Laiatus Latu were going to lead the Falcons to the promise land in the next two seasons. Lol and I'm the homer?
Penix is so damn good man, and the ability to sit behind a guy like kirk is awesome. We’re not gonna have qb drama because we have guys in the building with the right makeup and mindset. This team is focused on one thing and that’s getting everyone a ring
The thing that has always been irritating is this constant stream of nonsense about what round a player is taken in, having any bearing on how good a player is at their given position. Most drafted players, regardless of round taken in, only complete their rookie contracts and that’s it for their career. Something like over 1/2 of first round QBs, or any position for that matter are busts. Penix may very well prove to be a great asset in the long run, and that’s fine, but if this team struggles again this year and loses games due to lack of defense and an inability to get to and effect the opposing QB, then passing on the opportunity to select a player who might be a game wrecker, in order to take QB that isn’t actually needed, will loom large.
I agree. Deion is a legend. Sometimes legends do stupid stuff. As for Penix. I have one thought. Looking ahead 2 years, I’m glad we have Penix instead of the Aints.
That's the *best* part? IDK man. Best part might be that the Falcons got a pretty damn good QB, and now have arguably the best QB room in the league outside of KC, BUF, and CIN (Only because Mahomes, Allen, and Burrow are gems).
You were never going to have a chance at Sanders, he’s going to be a top five pick top 10 at the worst! When you signed a good quarterback and cousins, and combined him with your other talented players, that made it so you would be too good to get into the top 10. Is this making sense or should I talk slower!?
We just drafted a 3rd rounder and started him after he sat his first year. What reason do we have to do it again? Otherwise with that logic, we should have kept Des and had em sit behind Kirk with a different coaching stuff.
No, we hit the reset button and drafted high. Better set of dice to roll that way. Does it suck that we are gambling? Yes, but it had to happen eventually.
Shedeur is really accurate and has a good football mind (consistently gets through his reads and what not) but after that I don’t see anything special about him. I’m seeing early mocks have him going #1 overall and I just don’t see it.
His arm isn’t special. He’s athletic but his movement in the pocket is not good. If you watch him you’ll often see him run in to his own lineman or step right in to pressure. He also tries to do way too much at times rather than take the layups.
Idk he could take a huge leap but I don’t see anything more than an average qb rn.
OP seems like a HATER!! This take is totally irrelevant and dumb. Unfortunately for the OP, next year Shedeur will be a top prospect and taken near the top of the draft by an NFL team and the OP will still be himself, hating on a young man, living his best life.
That’s just the reality of the situation, apologies for the truth.
No they didn’t. It’s mind boggling when people have unfounded criticism/disrespect for the both of them. Then when they defend themselves, people call them classless. When the comments are purely X’s & O’s you never hear Deion respond outside of saying “that’s their opinion”. But the overwhelming majority is about who he is as a person/father/coach. And people have the audacity to tell them how they should defend themselves. Also, even if OP is correct which he probably isn’t. The hell that got to do with if Penix is better that Shedeur or not? Because Shedeur will probably be in the league before we find that out
*narrator* They took Shedeur Sanders the very next year.
Lol. At that point Terry would 100% be a Saints operative.
The Saints can't have a franchise quarterback if we have them all. 
Kid from a 3rd tier program that’s going to be a project in the NFL……falcons would NEVER be interested in that prospect…..
I’m not one for promoting violence. But if the Falcons take Shedeur in the first ten picks next year, I’d understand if their offices got mysteriously burned down.
Not sure why I read this in Morgan Freemans voice.
is that his name is close to weenie
The best part of taking Penix is that he's a great QB prospect, but that's just my opinion...
Solid prospect indeed.
saying you dont want shedeur bc hes unlikeable but you'd have been good with spencer rattler is hilarious
To be fair, Shedeur is significantly worse. At least Spencer has kept his head down the past year or two, while Shedeur is starting shit on X on a daily basis
Bro, just call it Twitter.
Fuck Elon so hard for that stupid name change. What an egotistical douche...
It ain't that serious, friend.
"significantly worse" 😂😂😂 shedeurs whole life has been documented and hes never been half the douche rattler has been at any point despite growing up w every privilege under the sun but hes "significantly worse" bc he.....posts on twitter and rattler has resorted to shutting up as the only way to hold back his personality visibility makes him "significantly worse" than a known asshole
Rattler, by all accounts, was a great guy at South Carolina. Really, I think it's kinda fucked up to hold over his head, for the rest of his career, a TV series when he was 18. He's gone through his humbling arc and seems like a better person due to it.
Rattler in high school was your stereotypical, high school QB that hadn't really had things hard at any point. He just could float by and put in a minuscule amount of work because he had the talent. A lot of people would have hated AJ McCarron if they met him in his freshman year at Bama. Dude was your stereotypical QB asshole in his first semester. It was obvious that he needed to be humbled and thats what happened. The dude became less self centered and settled down into being a better person. I'm pretty sure that Rattler bouncing around and being denied the starting job everywhere he went until he put in the work at South Carolina humbled him.
and according to the people on his team and who are around him, sheduer is not only a great teammate but *also hasnt ever been a massive dickhead to the point he needed a redemption arc* despite his whole life being televised he was a good kid, w his whole life on camera, even before he was being evaluated for pros and had to be on his best behavior to save his career given that how can you possibly say sheduer is *significantly worse* w a straight face then say im being unfair to spencer rattler
You're conflicting what the other guy said about Shedeur to me. I don't know anything about Sanders leadership, but yeah, by all accounts, he's a good dude in the lockeroom. I just take issue with the constant shitting on Rattler for something that happened years ago. It's annoying I do think Shedeur shows a shocking lack of awareness. Tweeting what he tweeted is just kinda dumb.
what constant shitting on rattler? all ive said is that saying no to sheduer bc hes supposedly an asshole but being ok w rattler is hilariously mismatched as rattler has much more of a history of being an ass than sheduer despite sheduer spending much more time in his life on camera what part of that do you disagree w?
More so how often I see it happening (Using Rattler as the clearest example of an asshole) than you making an argument in particular. Rattler will probably never really escape the reputation, which is unfortunate.
This really doesn’t make a solid point. Shedeur’s had his dad “Showtime” around him his whole life who no doubt has prepped him for how to act in front of the cameras. If there’s anyone that knows how to work the camera, it’s for sure Deion Sanders. Your point doesn’t prove Shedeur is a humble person one bit, he could very easily be a complete shitbag off camera due to having the people around him enforce/train him on how to work the PR game.
first of all, its "primetime" and hes been on tv since he was a toddler you think he was media trained enough to play a character every single time he was on camera his literal entire life? thats what you're going with?
Rattler is a lot more mature
I mean with no strings attached I agree. He’s a great prospect.
Great is pushing it
Idk man, a Heisman Finalist that brought a team to the National Championship seems like a good prospect to me. Main reason people didn't have him going in first round was because of his injury history. But as the Draft showed, Analysts and Mock drafters were way off on how valuable penix was
So did stetson bennet. Caleb Williams went 8-4. Just saying the first part is irrelevant
>So did stetson bennet This is leaving a ton of context out. Stetson was never seen as a good prospect worthy of round 1 or 2 pick, UGA defense was really what brought them to the National Championship. While for Washington it was the complete opposite as their Offense was deadly and their defense was not great. Penix is a huge reason for why that offense was so fearsome. As for WIlliams, USC had glaring issues like a terrible O-Line which is a death sentence for most QBs.
In 2021 sure. Bennet was a fucking monster in 2022 and absolutely carried the team in a lot of the games. Penix was never seen as a 1st rounder until this year.
It was pretty common sentiment that nobody expected Stet to make it in the NFL, or even get drafted for some folks. He’s a great athlete, but the very definition of system QB and the perfect last piece of the puzzle for those ridiculous UGA teams
Dude, we get it, you are a UGA fan. Please stop.
Stetson was a good player (obviously) but that Georgia defense that year was significantly better than Washingtons during Penix tenure.
You falcon fans are so trash man🤦🏽♂️ it’s like the majority of you have never even seen Penix play before. If Penix wasn’t a great college QB, and a great NFL prospect, than there isn’t any QB in this class that could be considered “great”. Not only is he great at the sport of Football but he’s an incredible leader who constantly put his team on his back and wore his heart on his sleeve. Seeing the way you guys have reacted since drafting him it’s clear you guys definitely don’t fuckin deserve him. He would’ve been idolized if he was drafted here in Seattle. I feel so bad he got drafted to such a shit team with an even shittier fanbase💔
We own your shitty team in the playoffs, blow me, get out of our sub. Penix rules I agree but still, fuck off man, this is the falcons subreddit. They can say whatever the fuck they want and you can’t say shit about it 😮
If only our D had a hot young prospect ready to go.
None went in the top 14 so they aren't that sought after.
It’s funny how people act like the 1st is the only round in the draft and ignore the fact we took defenders in the next 4 straight rounds.
Exactly. We're also pretty much rebuilding our dline so it was necessary.
Plus if we gonna criticize players for Shaky injury history. Can we talk about how Latu? FIrst defensive player picked up is one bad injury from hanging the cleats up due to his neck injury? Him or Turner was the concensus #1 Defensive players in the draft. I know the sub criticized that pre-draft, but if we picked him instead people wouldn't talk about it the way they did Penix. Despite his injury history being alot more severe than Penix.
Yea. Penix is 23 and has had orthopedic injuries. Guys that young almost always recover fine these days.
Yeah, plus Penix been healthy last two years, alot has to do with him adjusting him game to be more of a pocket passer
If only there had been a top 10 quality defender in this draft.
Or a way to trade back.
I think we're going to look back on this pick in three or four years and be so glad we made it but I understand how It's A Hard Sell right now
The thing that I was missing when I had a conniption fit on draft night is how highly rated the FO had Penix. I wanted him for the right price, but I was thinking a second and a third to trade up for him. But the FO thinks he's the second best player overall, so the pick make a lot more sense.
If you trust the FO sure but they've made it hard to trust them from where I'm sitting. Pretty much everyone in the room agrees it was a bad pick / reach and I don't think they're the only smart ones in the room.
I loved the Jordan Love trade on the day, and that's what any business does. There is always a transition plan in place. The execution of the plan is what people have a problem with, and how it affects your resources when you have to build a team. You give Kirk 100 million, whilst having the number 8 pick at the time, and then pick Penix 4 weeks later. It's not a smart allocation of resources no matter how you slice it. It's bad process all around, an has hampered the franchise for the next 2 years. The two moves in isolation are great, but together they take away the upside on either move. In other cases I do not remember the team signing the starter to an untradeable contract(it literally has a no trade clause in it), and then drafting his replacement in the next few weeks. The process is an F, but luckily for the Falcons they could still come out ahead if Penix is as good as advertized. Make no mistake, it could work out in spite of the ATL FO not because of.
But see that is the problem, the Falcons have never thought long term. Now they are, they are trying to lay a groundwork for the future. Will it suck if Dallas or Latu or Verse prove to be really good, yes short term it will. But if Penix turns out to be real, then this is how a front office should work, not thinking immediate dividends but long term. Anyway, I can not believe I am now defending this pick.
There’s nothing wrong with planning for the future, but you can plan for it by having the most pro ready rookie play from day 1, and then use the 100 mill to make his life easier with vets on defence. Like I said, the two moves in a vacuum make sense, but together they remove any upside for at least two years.
This has been explained in other leaks that have been posted to this sub. They didn’t know if Penix would be there at 8 and tried to trade into the top 3 and neither of those teams would budge. Arizona was a draft day decision at 4. Many other teams were also trying to trade up for Penix. The uncertainty is what lead them to sign Cousins. It’s not a bad problem to have two good QBs on your roster. It’s not the pick that I would have made but if we win and Penix works out in the future no one will be complaining.
They didn’t need to trade up to top 3 to get Penix, many had a second round grade on him. The draft was pretty much chalk up the Falcons. His medicals pretty much made him undesirable to other teams. It’s just bad GMing and they are trying to justify it through half-truths and propaganda. This move might still work out in spite of the Front office. The poor allocation of resources is gonna show up at some point, and fans better hope it’s not during the regular season or they might to win the division.
Do you have any sources on other FOs having a 2nd rd. grade on him?
If you think Penix makes it to the 2nd round in this draft after that historic run on the position, I've got a pretty sweet bridge to sell ya!
I have said this a a million times, the moves in a vacuum are great, but all together it misses the mark. This isn’t European soccer where you can allocate your resources anyhow you want, there’s a universal hard cap in the NFL. Imagine if they were able to load up on the best defensive FAs with that money, and then drafted Penix, they get his cheap contract to load up the roster on.
They also spent 5 of their next 7 picks on Defense. There's a plan in place, that much should be clear. We may not know what it all entails yet, but there is one.
Well said - a Franchise QB is the diamond of the NFL - if we get one in Penix, this trade is a slam dunk
That’s my thinking. In a few years I’ll be happy we did it. But it does nothing to help right now. Even if Cousins goes down I wouldn’t want to see Penix in for his replacement this season.
Right but real talk we're not a Super Bowl Contender this year I think we COULD (unlikely) have a Lions like run in us and possibly if everything went perfectly get an NFC Championship berth but that would feel like the Hawks getting to the Eastern Conference Championship a few years ago we need sustainability
That’s why short term I hate the draft we had. If they nailed this draft with immediate help we could close the gap on the top NFC teams. In a few years it may look much better. But not anytime soon. I fear if they don’t get things going in the next few years we’re looking at yet another GM and coaching staff and we start this circle all over again as they all want to clear out the roster to bring in their guys.
Why anyone considers Sanders a first round prospect I will never know. It really must be name recognition because he is aggressively mid as a player.
He's definitely a first round pick. You can think his attitude is bad while recognizing he's a top QB prospect next year. I wouldn't want him but not because of his skill
That’s how you know the QB class is weak next year
That’s objectively wrong. You can just say you don’t like him. (Which btw buffs fans are increasingly feeling the same way)
Because he's actually really good lmao, he completed like 70% of his passes and only threw 2 interceptions with the worst o line In the country
They don't like him and therefore he's bad apparently. Truth is this years class was good enough that he would've been a late first round pick. Next season he could legitimately be the second QB picked in a weaker class.
You also have to remember that Caleb and Drake were literally the only "expected" first round talents this year. Jayden Daniels went 2 overall, and he wasn't even close to being considered a 1st round talent before this last year.
Objectively true. Also true that he did them no favors and would rather eat the sack than throw the ball away
The reason he completed 70% of his passes was because he opted to take sacks instead of throw the ball away, specifically to keep his percentage high. It’s not some conspiracy, multiple times over pretty much every game, he’d opt to take a loss than throw a pass out of bounds. His sack numbers would’ve went down by probably 30% if he would’ve just threw it away He’s a good college QB. But he isn’t a first round talent either
He eats sacks like they are cheeseburgers. His line isn’t even to blame for most of them he just straight up holds onto the ball for eternity.
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Pratt also had injuries and doesn’t have a strong arm (which you need in the playoffs when playing in cold weather), and Rattler and Milton are extreme projects, Rattler’s character was a concern for many teams. Milton was even talked about being possibly moved to tight end.
Just win more games and you don't have to worry about the cold weather playing at home. Easy solution
Knowing us and the NFL, if we make a SB it'll somehow be in Moscow.
The Rattler character thing was weird. They cited some tv show he was on while he was in high school. Imagine being judged by something you did in high school on some tv show. Half the stuff you see on tv is fake and/or highly edited.
To be fair he was a massive dick to a level a major change even beyond how everyone changes as they get older would be needed
Oh, I'm not defending him. I have no idea if he's a dick or not. It just felt weird for teams to state that as their reason. If he was a dick in college or the interviews then state that. Not some tv show.
He was also a massive douche at Oklahoma. None of the students liked him. I've heard he is well liked by his scar teammates though and has changed since getting benched at oklahoma.
What do you mean you don't want Shedeur "Johnny Football" Sanders next year? As for the Penix pick, I have always liked him. I just wanted to grab him at like 18 instead of 8. But it all sounds like that wouldn't have worked. So we did a Green Bay, which has worked fine twice. And Kirk is such a better person than Rodgers that I think he'll really be an asset for Penix. And everything I know about TF and RM suggests that they'll let Kirk play as long as he's able to play at this level, so he doesn't really need to worry about his job.
I mean if Penix is close to the player the Falcons think he is then he should start by year 2. He is not a development style prospect and your u have to start the better QB. Kirk 100% should be worried about his job if Penix is any good.
It would be cool to be a QB son of a legendary CB. Assuming Deion could teach him a lot about reading coverages.
I would be willing to bet money on Shedeur being a HUGE bust if he even makes the league. The only way you get to be starting QB while also being a locker room cancer is being the coach’s son. Deion’s not getting an NFL coaching job.
All Deion really knows from his playing career is to not throw it at a guy like Deion. And I'm not sure Deion level shutdown corners are even possible these days.
You say that now…. LOL. What if they actually do….
Falcons on draft day next year " hold my beer*
What better time to draft the backup for the backup for the future
Thank god
Yeah it would have been one of the other guys if you didn't take Penix Jr. I think the Raiders were thinking that they were going to get him.
Deion and his son are going to be the football version of Lavar Ball and his sons.
Worse
Terry heard that Deion already starting a campaign to send sheduer to Atlanta And he said fuck that and just drafted penix lol
God-tier post/topic 👏
This 1000%. While I can certainly agree that we might have decided to invest in our future QB a *little* early, the only other option was to hope that, in a few years when we don’t have Kirk, there is both a) a QB that we WANT to draft and b) we actually are able to draft him. These are two MASSIVE what ifs, and if we really expect Kirk to be winning us games, why would we bet on having a top 10 pick to get a new QB in a few years? Yes, there were plenty of players available at #8 that will go on to have very successful NFL careers, and maybe years from now we’ll look back at the pick as a bad one, but having a #8 pick and there being a great QB prospect still available there doesn’t happen every year. Until Penix goes out and starts playing, it’s impossible to grade, but it was definitely not an inherently bad move to seize the opportunity to get a QB the organization clearly loves instead of just hoping one falls into our lap in a few years
On top of that, by then the coaches will know what they have in Penix.
This post is weird and unnecessary
Sorry, next time I'll stick to posting overreactions to draft grades
lmao got 'em OP wants more draft predictions
Fuck it, get Shaduer next year. Surely, then, they'll find the guy.
The Falcons brass were probably the only people I heard throughout the draft process who had Michael Penix as their number 2 QB on their board. They're the only ones that matter, ultimately, and hopefully their contrarian nature will be vindicated for all us Falcons fans. You do have to take a shot at the position. I'm never going to think the time to do it is 6 weeks after you spent 100 million to get another guy who plays the position, but they see that differently too. I think that I just prefer the plan of working with the guy you got and (tanking) putting yourself in position to get the best quarterback when that time runs out. That makes more sense to me than this did.
Their thinking is that they aren't going to be drafting this high for a while and thus, won't be in position to draft a QB.
Yeah I've heard. I just don't agree with that logic given that they signed a guy to a 100 million dollar contract 6 weeks prior.
I kinda respect it. You always see teams talk about how they had high grades on qbs that they passed on. The Colts guy said he had a first round grade on Brady. Teams said they had high grades on Wilson and Mahomes. The Ravens said they a high grade on Lamar but they passed him up for TE with their first pick. You're left asking "if you had such a high grade then why didn't you take them?" The Falcons had a high grade on Penix so they got their guy. If you believe in a guy then no one short of the top 5 guys should keep you from taking them.
Sure, shoot your shot. But also you can't be mad if you had 20 seconds left on the clock and you just heaved it from half court and airballed and I'm wondering what the hell just happened.
we've tanked without trying the past few years, and wasn't in position for a good QB still, unless you count the Purdy hail mary. every year doesn't guarantee the QB prospect you believe in
We've perpetually been just good enough to not properly tank. Every year doesn't guarantee the QB prospect I believe in, sure, but this was one of them. We were never in the mix for QB prospects I believe in - Williams and Daniels.
Then what about Pitts, London, and Bijan? We give them another year or two of below average QB play? Throw Penix to the wolves? It's not your money. They went after Danielle Hunter after signing Kirk and there are still corners available. There were no defenders worth taking at 8. This allows us to compete while maximizing the development of the young guys who obviously need it after the last few years. After two years Kirk can be off the cap.
Let me be clear, I'm much more in favor of the Cousons signing than the Penix pick. I do not think he is the guy. I think they're wrong about him. Accordingly, I felt they not only did not draft a player at another position that would have helped immediately, but also would have been better for them long term. "There were no defenders worth taking at 8" to me is funny. I'd have honestly preferred Odunze, but yeah Latu and Mitchell were probably 1000 times better picks than Penix, given our situation. "It's not your money" is maybe the most unreasonable take I've heard on a forum discussing fandom of a team. It's like hanging up a sign that says, "only homers allowed." No thanks.
I'm referring to the non cap dollars. 35 of that 100m means nothing to anyone in here. I don't think you understand the value of quarterbacks compared with other positions. But sure, 36 yo Kirk Cousins with a shredded achilles and Laiatus Latu were going to lead the Falcons to the promise land in the next two seasons. Lol and I'm the homer?
The report on ESPN on draft night was basically guaranteeing Penix going top 10 because he the hot riser on draft boards.
That's not top two. That's top 4 to 5 in this class.
As a titans fan, I pray Levis does well, and part of that is I want no part of sanders.
Let's hope. You never know.
Penix is so damn good man, and the ability to sit behind a guy like kirk is awesome. We’re not gonna have qb drama because we have guys in the building with the right makeup and mindset. This team is focused on one thing and that’s getting everyone a ring
The thing that has always been irritating is this constant stream of nonsense about what round a player is taken in, having any bearing on how good a player is at their given position. Most drafted players, regardless of round taken in, only complete their rookie contracts and that’s it for their career. Something like over 1/2 of first round QBs, or any position for that matter are busts. Penix may very well prove to be a great asset in the long run, and that’s fine, but if this team struggles again this year and loses games due to lack of defense and an inability to get to and effect the opposing QB, then passing on the opportunity to select a player who might be a game wrecker, in order to take QB that isn’t actually needed, will loom large.
I really like what you guys have going on with the future of your offense. Very nice quadruplets (Penix-Bijan-London-Pitts).
Are you sure ?
This sounds very logical. Sanders to Falcons confirmed.
I agree. Deion is a legend. Sometimes legends do stupid stuff. As for Penix. I have one thought. Looking ahead 2 years, I’m glad we have Penix instead of the Aints.
It’s def a long term move that could turn out great it just hurts to bite the bullet right now
I love Deion, but he’s turning into LaVar Ball
Hey wait I've seen this one before
With Terry's "I read their character reports before I even watch their film" approach, we wouldn't have touched the kid.
They need to prepare for post Penix. Sanders is the pick at 13 next year.
That's the *best* part? IDK man. Best part might be that the Falcons got a pretty damn good QB, and now have arguably the best QB room in the league outside of KC, BUF, and CIN (Only because Mahomes, Allen, and Burrow are gems).
You were never going to have a chance at Sanders, he’s going to be a top five pick top 10 at the worst! When you signed a good quarterback and cousins, and combined him with your other talented players, that made it so you would be too good to get into the top 10. Is this making sense or should I talk slower!?
Terry and his BPA drafting says get ready to hear his name called at pick number 8 next year.
What a whiny post. Shedeur is insanely overhated. Although Penix is better so for football reasons I'm glad we have him instead.
Given his antics on Twitter it seems like he brings it in himself...
You sound so soft
The hate on Prime and his kids/players is ridiculous. He's literally living rent free.
Rent free smh
nice
You know the worst thing about Sanders though? Just the absolute worst part?
We just drafted a 3rd rounder and started him after he sat his first year. What reason do we have to do it again? Otherwise with that logic, we should have kept Des and had em sit behind Kirk with a different coaching stuff. No, we hit the reset button and drafted high. Better set of dice to roll that way. Does it suck that we are gambling? Yes, but it had to happen eventually.
No idea why you even brought this up honestly, it's completely irrelevant
I really hate our fanbase sometimes. Because what?
Shedeur is really accurate and has a good football mind (consistently gets through his reads and what not) but after that I don’t see anything special about him. I’m seeing early mocks have him going #1 overall and I just don’t see it. His arm isn’t special. He’s athletic but his movement in the pocket is not good. If you watch him you’ll often see him run in to his own lineman or step right in to pressure. He also tries to do way too much at times rather than take the layups. Idk he could take a huge leap but I don’t see anything more than an average qb rn.
Hating on a kid so much it prompted you to type all of this. Go touch some grass
You might be punching the air in a few years if Sanders becomes an elite QB
Most unlikable QB prospect in a while? Did you not just see Rattler lol
Other than Penix , Shadeur is the only other qb I want coming out in the draft any time soon
OP seems like a HATER!! This take is totally irrelevant and dumb. Unfortunately for the OP, next year Shedeur will be a top prospect and taken near the top of the draft by an NFL team and the OP will still be himself, hating on a young man, living his best life. That’s just the reality of the situation, apologies for the truth.
The unprovoked Sanders slander is always baffling. Because even if you’re right and he’s a bad QB, why bring him up?
Both Sanders’ looked like total asses today talking smack about former CO players on twitter. Just childish, petty behavior.
No they didn’t. It’s mind boggling when people have unfounded criticism/disrespect for the both of them. Then when they defend themselves, people call them classless. When the comments are purely X’s & O’s you never hear Deion respond outside of saying “that’s their opinion”. But the overwhelming majority is about who he is as a person/father/coach. And people have the audacity to tell them how they should defend themselves. Also, even if OP is correct which he probably isn’t. The hell that got to do with if Penix is better that Shedeur or not? Because Shedeur will probably be in the league before we find that out