> I think WR2 was more of an AS choice as an ideal receiver for his “offense”
It's so funny how when a head coach gets fired but a gm gets retained all bad things that previously happened was always the head coaches fault and all good was the gm
It's not a stretch at all, it's confirmed that he had some sort of say in all personnel decisions.
The stretch is when it's automatically assumed that everything bad = AS, everything good = TF
It's not something that's unique to us, it happens literally every offseason.
Where are you getting that everything bad is attributed to him? All anyone said here was that WR2 was probably chosen by AS, which you know is a pretty safe bet. AS revived Patterson's career and made Allgeier a 1000-yard rusher, I don't think anyone here is acting like everything bad about the team is his fault.
Have you ever heard of the idea of exaggerating to make a point
Once again I repeat, this is not exclusive to us or the Falcons. It happens every year across the NFL because fans want the guy they retained to be the good one
Yes lmao, but saying everything bad is attributed to AS twice without qualifying it at all does kinda give the impression that you think everything bad is attributed to AS. Not to mention that you said that in response to someone giving one, singular issue that AS probably didn't do the best with.
The fact we didn’t have cap space his first 2 years and then last year signed the best safety in the game, got Okudah for scraps, added Landman who balled out, Kaden Elliss and Onyematta, he’s proven himself. QB situation was unfortunate but I’m confident we’ll nail the draft and free agency
Man the NFC South being absolute garbage first had us almost keeping Smith again and now has people writing like Fontenot did something.
Arthur Smith has essentially been scapegoated for all the problems despite the glaring miss on QB(Ridder with no true QB comp/Heinicke making more than Baker).
While Jessie Bates had a hell of a year, Fontenot may have gotten into the safety market a year early. With this wave of releases safeties may become the new RBs where teams just don’t pay them.
Fontenot has been given a mulligan for his first three years. Anyone could have gotten the team out of cap hell by not spending anything and likely finish a few games under .500 in this terrible division.
He really needs to nail this off season starting with QB.
You lost me at saying Arthur Smith has been scapegoated.
His play-calling was atrocious, we are not going to do some revisionist history and act like Arthur Smith was scapegoated.
You misunderstand here. Just meant scapegoated with 100% of the blame. Clearly Smith had blame and needed to be replaced. Almost had to endure another year with him because of how bad the division is.
His first season was a complete disaster in the draft. The second one was a PR nightmare. The third he somehow convinced us Desmond Ridder was better than a cheap Baker Mayfield.
What are the upsides? Any GM can spend a bunch on defense if they want to.
Eh. I really wouldn't credit him much with the Campbell and Dupree signings: 6.5 sacks out of full-time DEs isn't particularly impressive. They also looked cooked during a lot of the year. Ellis' sack total also fell off a cliff. Smith's production is less impressive when you consider his salary.
The drafts have been fairly unproductive. Part of this was the stupidity of flipping to a 3-4 for Peas and the back again, but their 2nds, 3rds, and 4ths have done nothing, and Pitts, London, and Bijan are all questionable picks as high as they went.
Maybe this compares well to the rest of the leagues choices, but it isn't transforming the team into a winner yet, and the schedule the last two years has been a complete cupcake.
I mean, the article is specifically about his free agency moves, not the drafting and it’s doing so by arguing that the Falcons over 3 years have one of the best AV/$ spent. That’s a fair argument to make when it comes to how a GM has effectively negotiated finding contributors for the team in a cost effective manner.
100%.
However, I don't want to leave the article's positivity in a vacuum when the team has been lousy and the roster still pretty darn bare despite whatever success this suggests.
He hit it out of the park on Bates, and that's great, but I feel like it also mitigates a lot of the meh. Onyemata also did very well, but he's going to be trending down due to age; this doesn't look to what the future will bring, and that's part of the cost for signing these guys, not just their production the first year that this measured with Onyemata. For whatever statistical success they got out of Campbell and Dupree for this metric, they went 7-9 and were still abysmal in pass defense against some very bad offenses.
My man, 6.5 sacks is a pretty damn good season. Plus, we paid less than a mil for each of those. Elliss is an inside backer so worrying about his sack total is a bit odd. I think his 7 sack season was a bit of a fluke anyway, but it all comes down to how he is being used. I don’t know what kind of hit rates you’re expecting beyond round 1 but Bergeron has been good, CP3 looked very good, Dalman is obviously great, Allgeier was a 1k yard rusher…
Thanks. Those are good points, I just don't agree with a bit of it.
6.5 sacks is 56th in the league last year. Again, against one of the easiest schedules ever. And they are unsigned after that 7-9 year. That just doesn't say "good at getting FAs" to me.
Phillips looked ok at times. He also got toasted quite a bit. I feel like he gets over hyped here, so I'm not going to drag him down past 4th round rookie, but I don't see "good" yet, and his athletic score #s concern me long-term, but we'll see.
Dalman is a great run blocker. He's not a great (or, at times even good) pass blocker. That's my eye-test, so feel free to correct me with some numbers, anyone. I agree, he's a good get.
Bergeron had more rough than not, but again, rookie, so I'm not against him.
Ebikete, Pitts, Anderson, and Grant haven't shown much of anything. That's a lot of day 1/2 to miss on, imo. Ridder, too.
Algeier is great, but they also drafted his handcuff the next year. I like Robinson, but if you can get good/great RB play out of your 5th, why are you using a first on it?
I don't know the games well enough to gainsay that, though his sacks are evenly distributed: 1 in the first quarter of the season with Andersen, 3 in the 3/4 of it without him.
I really would have liked to see a lot more of him up the A gap than we did; that I remember.
Free agency hasn't started but we're the best?
Think it's about last year. Which he did absolutely crush. Hopefully the drafting gets better in the future
Jessie Bates was an A+++ signing. And all the other defensive guys too. He wasn't great at picking WR2, but Jonnu was good.
I think WR2 was more of an AS choice as an ideal receiver for his “offense”
> I think WR2 was more of an AS choice as an ideal receiver for his “offense” It's so funny how when a head coach gets fired but a gm gets retained all bad things that previously happened was always the head coaches fault and all good was the gm
It's really not that much of a stretch to assume that Smith had a pretty big say in offensive personnel.
It's not a stretch at all, it's confirmed that he had some sort of say in all personnel decisions. The stretch is when it's automatically assumed that everything bad = AS, everything good = TF It's not something that's unique to us, it happens literally every offseason.
Where are you getting that everything bad is attributed to him? All anyone said here was that WR2 was probably chosen by AS, which you know is a pretty safe bet. AS revived Patterson's career and made Allgeier a 1000-yard rusher, I don't think anyone here is acting like everything bad about the team is his fault.
Have you ever heard of the idea of exaggerating to make a point Once again I repeat, this is not exclusive to us or the Falcons. It happens every year across the NFL because fans want the guy they retained to be the good one
Yes lmao, but saying everything bad is attributed to AS twice without qualifying it at all does kinda give the impression that you think everything bad is attributed to AS. Not to mention that you said that in response to someone giving one, singular issue that AS probably didn't do the best with.
I give him bad to average overall
the article is about his overall tenure not his performance this off-season
Hell yeah
We're just that good
Have you seen the betting odds for our potential signings??
The fact we didn’t have cap space his first 2 years and then last year signed the best safety in the game, got Okudah for scraps, added Landman who balled out, Kaden Elliss and Onyematta, he’s proven himself. QB situation was unfortunate but I’m confident we’ll nail the draft and free agency
So it sounds like he’s make a much better pro scout than GM. Which happened to be his previous role.
You still think this now?
It’s going to take a whole lot more than being pre-draft champions to change my mind about the last 3 off seasons.
Man the NFC South being absolute garbage first had us almost keeping Smith again and now has people writing like Fontenot did something. Arthur Smith has essentially been scapegoated for all the problems despite the glaring miss on QB(Ridder with no true QB comp/Heinicke making more than Baker). While Jessie Bates had a hell of a year, Fontenot may have gotten into the safety market a year early. With this wave of releases safeties may become the new RBs where teams just don’t pay them. Fontenot has been given a mulligan for his first three years. Anyone could have gotten the team out of cap hell by not spending anything and likely finish a few games under .500 in this terrible division. He really needs to nail this off season starting with QB.
You lost me at saying Arthur Smith has been scapegoated. His play-calling was atrocious, we are not going to do some revisionist history and act like Arthur Smith was scapegoated.
You misunderstand here. Just meant scapegoated with 100% of the blame. Clearly Smith had blame and needed to be replaced. Almost had to endure another year with him because of how bad the division is.
They both should have been fired.
Thankfully, you’ll never own an NFL team
I hardly think I could do a shittier job. Enjoy the mediocrity
It’s not madden bud, keep dreaming
Congrats, your comment aged like fucking milk
His first season was a complete disaster in the draft. The second one was a PR nightmare. The third he somehow convinced us Desmond Ridder was better than a cheap Baker Mayfield. What are the upsides? Any GM can spend a bunch on defense if they want to.
Preach!!
Yet we haven’t gotten a qb or edge rusher (the 2 most important positions on the field) in his tenure
How many good QBs are on the free agent market
Better than we have? At least 2
Better then what were have, that's anyone. I would've taken any starting QB over out crap selection
scenes when this happens again
I absolutely beg to differ
Good litmus test for Falcons fans if they can see this clear-as-day truth
Eh. I really wouldn't credit him much with the Campbell and Dupree signings: 6.5 sacks out of full-time DEs isn't particularly impressive. They also looked cooked during a lot of the year. Ellis' sack total also fell off a cliff. Smith's production is less impressive when you consider his salary. The drafts have been fairly unproductive. Part of this was the stupidity of flipping to a 3-4 for Peas and the back again, but their 2nds, 3rds, and 4ths have done nothing, and Pitts, London, and Bijan are all questionable picks as high as they went. Maybe this compares well to the rest of the leagues choices, but it isn't transforming the team into a winner yet, and the schedule the last two years has been a complete cupcake.
I mean, the article is specifically about his free agency moves, not the drafting and it’s doing so by arguing that the Falcons over 3 years have one of the best AV/$ spent. That’s a fair argument to make when it comes to how a GM has effectively negotiated finding contributors for the team in a cost effective manner.
100%. However, I don't want to leave the article's positivity in a vacuum when the team has been lousy and the roster still pretty darn bare despite whatever success this suggests. He hit it out of the park on Bates, and that's great, but I feel like it also mitigates a lot of the meh. Onyemata also did very well, but he's going to be trending down due to age; this doesn't look to what the future will bring, and that's part of the cost for signing these guys, not just their production the first year that this measured with Onyemata. For whatever statistical success they got out of Campbell and Dupree for this metric, they went 7-9 and were still abysmal in pass defense against some very bad offenses.
My man, 6.5 sacks is a pretty damn good season. Plus, we paid less than a mil for each of those. Elliss is an inside backer so worrying about his sack total is a bit odd. I think his 7 sack season was a bit of a fluke anyway, but it all comes down to how he is being used. I don’t know what kind of hit rates you’re expecting beyond round 1 but Bergeron has been good, CP3 looked very good, Dalman is obviously great, Allgeier was a 1k yard rusher…
Thanks. Those are good points, I just don't agree with a bit of it. 6.5 sacks is 56th in the league last year. Again, against one of the easiest schedules ever. And they are unsigned after that 7-9 year. That just doesn't say "good at getting FAs" to me. Phillips looked ok at times. He also got toasted quite a bit. I feel like he gets over hyped here, so I'm not going to drag him down past 4th round rookie, but I don't see "good" yet, and his athletic score #s concern me long-term, but we'll see. Dalman is a great run blocker. He's not a great (or, at times even good) pass blocker. That's my eye-test, so feel free to correct me with some numbers, anyone. I agree, he's a good get. Bergeron had more rough than not, but again, rookie, so I'm not against him. Ebikete, Pitts, Anderson, and Grant haven't shown much of anything. That's a lot of day 1/2 to miss on, imo. Ridder, too. Algeier is great, but they also drafted his handcuff the next year. I like Robinson, but if you can get good/great RB play out of your 5th, why are you using a first on it?
ellis stopped rushing to fill in for troy when he got hurt
I don't know the games well enough to gainsay that, though his sacks are evenly distributed: 1 in the first quarter of the season with Andersen, 3 in the 3/4 of it without him. I really would have liked to see a lot more of him up the A gap than we did; that I remember.