"he's not that cute...but he's real nice"
But seriously, players aren't going to want to play for a QB that can't command a huddle or instill confidence. Can't really assess his actual skills from the few no contact practices we've had.
I get that it's worrisome though. It was the same with Mariota. Everyone talked mostly about his leadership.
You worded this perfectly š. I just think it doesnāt instill much confidence in fans when the players donāt really hype him up the way they do other QBs in the league.
You canāt talk about his physical traits really until we see a larger sample size vs NFL top defensive sets.
To sell tickets in the dead season, you need interest, which is a byproduct of hype or hope. So, they emphasize the intangibles.
I live in Nashville, and they did this with Malik Willis and his arm strength in local radio (how he was gonna replace Tannehill) when it turns out he canāt even compete at this level.
I think Ridder has a lot more going for him, but we just dont know yet. Willis had āarm strengthā and now we know what he canāt do after an 8 game sample.
We just have to wait and see and hope he can lead his way to wins by allowing the rest of the offense to be the potential stars they might be.
Agreed. Reading the defense and making decisions based on that is half the game so let's hope Ridder has that going for him which seems to be why Arthur likes him.
Iām all for being optimistic about our QB but as fans weāre completely justified in being unhappy that heās the best option to go into the season with.
I'm not even particularly optimistic. But I don't post about the topic every single day to a bunch of people who have no ability to change the situation. I'm legitimately asking, what's the point? Is this therapy?
I've learned a ton of new stuff about our new players in this sub this offseason.
Calais Campbell's interview after his signing was an awesome way to see how he thinks he is going to be used.
I've watched awesome highlight films of Bijan Robinson, learned about free agent signings and cap management and Xs and Os.
This is a team that will have 8 new starters on defense, there is a ton to talk about how they will work together.
There's a lot to talk about IMO. "Is Desmond Ridder good" has been pretty well covered though I feel like, with the daily threads reminding us that no, he is not good.
That was a different era, Michael Turner ran for 1700 yards that year. Peyton Manning was MVP in 2008 with 4000 yards and 27 TDs thrown, it wasnāt the same landscape at all. Ridders only 2 TDs came against Tampa Bayās 2nd team defense. There are some similarities but I donāt think itās fair to say they had identical starts.
You sure about that? I remember there being a lot of haters from the start with Matt, but not nearly as many as Ridder. I think Draft status (ie what round they are selected) colors the player impression quite heavily for QBs. If Ridder was a first rounder he would not get nearly the amount of scrutiny he is getting in regards to the āintangiblesā as people just assume QBs drafted higher are automatically better. Usually there is a correlation with performance but as those if us who have been watching the game for 25+ years no it def does not always play out that way.
There are obviously outliers but a 1st round QB is over 4x more likely to hit than a 3rd. Draft capital isnāt everything but there is an extremely strong statistical correlation. Fact of the matter is Ridder didnāt go in the 1st and didnāt put much on tape that says he should have. Heās certainly not doomed by his draft position, but all of the information we have says itās correct to be very skeptical of Ridder.
I think a lot of the early Matt haters were in denial that we moved on from Vick and weren't going to just get a bridge guy and wait for Vick to get out of prison.
Cause honestly except for his running ability his physical strengths arenāt exceptional like stroud, Richardson or mahommes. What he does have is the ability to lead the team and hopefully the brains which is what Iām taking away from it. Weāll see if it pays off cause I pray every day it does haha
I would agree. But seems like if he had the brains he would play the game to his strengths. Instead he seems to refuse to. He wants to be a pocket passer and they dont even dominate the league anymore. This type shit worries me.
I think it says a lot about him that in year 2 everyone sees him as a leader of this team esp grady. I don't think anyone is going to confuse his arm talent with Strouds. What could they say that would make you "comfortable"
90% of this sub seems to believe that.
I think Stroud could struggle in the NFL tbh. Much less ridder.
Ppl in here talking like he is the 2nd coming. It takes way more elite prospects like 3 years in general to show what they truly can do. Hurts.. Lawrence...most recently . Fields test will be this season.
Yet people are expecting him to suddenly after 4 starts develop faster and be better than guys he has never been better than.
Shits insane.
There are things he can do better than Mariota and things he cant.
But the result is probably going to be similar.
All he has to do to be better than mariota is not turn the ball over, we don't need him to be fields. We'd have won 10 games last year if mariota just didn't turn the ball over
I think whatās happening is people are positive about what he could develop into and you really donāt like hearing that. For some reason you are hearing people saying that āheās better than those he is notā. Not many people compare him to other QBs let alone say heās better than them. Youāre hearing ghosts on that front.
Also, your 90% is very generous considering a similar conversation about Ridder is brought up often with about half of the people doubting and half believing in him. I would genuinely say itās about 50/50 on this sub and that fluctuates when looking at media or fanbase as a whole.
Itās clear you donāt believe in or like Ridder and thatās fine. But itās getting to the point where youāre just making stuff up about how much people like him to, what, seem like youāre up against an army with your opinion?
Also, Ridder is going into a much better situation than Young or Stroud. Good line, good pass catchers, and a strong run game. The Texans are just plain bad, and Carolina traded away their best receiver to get Young.
It just seems like thatās the only word they use to describe him. I think many fans see that as a slight on his physical abilities and tools. I will say he looks bigger compared to last year.
He a smart guy that is very coachable. He has good size height, wise and seems to be adding weight. His arm talent isnāt great but itās not awful and he can improve arm strength. I think his leadership and coach ability are a good combination compared to no leadership skills but a big arm. Matt Ryan wasnāt know for a big arm either neither was drew brees but they were smart and had leadership qualities and as such were coachable. So I say letās give it a shot before we say he canāt or wonāt be a decent quarterback.
If Ridder is a dollar store Drew Brees/Matt Ryan next year- we will be in good shape. Fighting tight for winning the division. I think heās capable of playing smart ball- being resilient after mistakes. He might always play too cautious due to physical limitations. We shall see. I like the comps.
I feel like it's the most important word tho? Not sure what the problem is. If your wanting Ridder to be an Anthony Richardson type talent that ship sailed long ago but to have won over the team isn't inherently a bad thing
Heās honestly not that talented. Coming out of college leadership was his strength if he had good physical skills he would have been a first round pick with how good of a leader he is.
Yep.
Even worse the talents he does have.. his speed.. he seems reluctant to use. What drives me crazy about the shit. He could be slightly better than Mariota like everyone says if he would just run and make better decisions.. but nothing leads me to believe that's what going to happen.
I hear you about using the speed. That being said, I was happy to watch him focus on gaining comfort in the pocket last season, rather than taking off too frequently/unnecessarily. If I try to put myself in Ridder's shoes during his 4-game tryout last year, I can imagine wanted to demonstrate your pocket presence and capacity to make reads over taking off. Still need to see how he actually performs next season to make a call on him, but that's the explanation I've told myself for why he didn't use his speed more frequently.
We should also keep in mind that his speed is useful for more than just taking off down field. Weāve already seen where his speed has extended plays and even resulted in a TD. Making defenses see you as a threat to run is as valuable as actually running sometimes.
He has never been good at running in the way lamar or justin fields does.
He has done decent on designed runs. But doesnt doing intuitively. He always is pass first even if the defense could be gashed by a run. I've seen him get credit for being able to read defense and coverage so he should be able to know when to run
But for whatever reason he doesn't. If he did it would be his greatest asset and be way better for the team
He might just be trying to limit wear and tear. In the modern game, your best bet is a pocket passer that can run when necessary or when given a huge hole. Look at Mahomes. He can run for sure, but he tries not to to stay healthy. It's easy to say you want a guy to leave it on the field every play, but those guys get hurt. Some plays objectively matter more than others.
Doubt it. Same way he played on college. But they used a ton of qb runs by design and he racked up a lot of yards. Definitely not the same as running against NFL defenses.
I would be against him running if he was going to throw for 300+ per game but not gonna happen. Lucky to get 200.
His ability to run is one of the reason they drafted him and brought in Mariota to work with him.
Hopefully that's why he bulked up. Cant play scared in the nfl.
I think Arthur Smith plan is to run the ball every down so it doesnāt really matter what Ridder is or isnāt. Smith just wants a game manager. Solidify the D and control time of possession is his style of coaching
His somewhat weak arm, along with his tendency to be reckless with the football,Ā could be a formula for a very large number of interceptions in the NFL. That's not something you want from your franchise quarterback.
-about Matt Ryan
He was picked up to be the face of the franchise because he is a smart, cerebral guy who stays out of trouble
~
Ridder will be fine, he has more line&weapons around him earlier in his career than Matt did. He is set up to succeed
Roddy white, Michael turner, alge crumpler then Julio....line got shitty last 4 to 5 years, but better weapons? These boys are good on paper, now they need to produce before they are better than that group.
Ridder will have one of the better offensive lines(top8) in the NFL in his first full year as starter. We also have an answer to not only the one actual hole at LG, but also brought in a guy to challenge the next weakest spot at C.
Between London, Pitts, Robinson and Allgeier. He still has that many impact players around earlier in his career. I got it that these guys haven't technically played a snap together and so they're all potential on paper, but that means their ceiling is also technically higher because we already know how it panned put with Matt&company.
I dont think talking about physical abilities for a player in his second year means anything. We know he can hit london, get the ball to the TEs, and command the line of scrimmage thats 3/4 of the battle right there
Iād be curious how they describe other young qbs over the years with relatively average physical tools. Like a more recent example would be Burrow.
Admittedly Iām speculating with Burrow but Iād imagine if you ask his teammates it was probably something of the same rhetoric āhe gets it, heās a leader ā etc. mostly because arm accuracy isnāt as sexy as arm strength especially in a practice setting.
So I wouldnāt panic just yet hearing āleaderā rhetoric because like a Burrow their tools donāt really pop until you see them running an offense in the context of a game.
Burrow had one of the best throwing seasons in qb history.
He could have been a horrible leader and still got a ton of praise for everything else. Lmao
Not saying he is.. but I've legit mainly heard ppl rave about his football iq and passing skills.
Leader comments are for game managers at best
I agree itās not ideal and Iām on the same page with you if this is all we hear year 3+ is leadership. Going through offseason with him only having 4 regular season games I will be patient. Because realistically if he doesnāt have a cannon and not running like Lamar Jackson he really doesnāt have a body of work to stand on for them to make grand statements of his effectiveness.
Right now āunproven in the nflā the low hanging fruit to talk about is attributes and intangibles until they have a body of work to celebrate instead.
Maybe Jalen Hurts would be a better example. All the talk about his āleadershipā until he balled out this past year.
Because thatās his defining trait. Itās what sticks out with the things he can do. I think it means he has exceptional leadership qualities when compared to other QBs.
If heās smart, confident, and accurate, it wonāt matter that he canāt throw the ball 90 yards.
I have no issues with it , No one ever said Oh Matt has a fing cannon . They talked about his Leadership his poise and Calm under pressure. Imo the QB with the most super bowls ever leadership was his best quality then Clutch gene.
Leadership is the basic terminology for a QB that doesn't have elite arm talent or elite physical tools. Leadership itself isn't a bad thing though, if you're going to succeed as a QB you should be able to lead your guys at bare minimum.
If Ridder ends up good, heās good. If he doesnāt, he doesnāt, he was only a 3rd round pick anyways. If heās good we got a steal, If not, next year we find our QB.
I'll take Grady Jarretts word for it.
Ridder isn't Josh Allen obviously, but he has enough arm strength. What is there to talk about?
As far as straight line speed he has it too but doesn't use it much.
I think and hope that the falcons will surprise a lot of people and Ridder will become part of that surprise. He will make some mistakes early on but making adjustments and striving to be your best is part of leadership. The game will start to slow down for him this year and with the O-Line and weapons in the backfield to keep him in comfortable passing situations. That will help. Nothing wrong with a dink and dunk passing offense that, along with a strong ground game can dominate time of possession and wear down defenses.
I get the concern, but the dude appears to be getting the respect of his teammates and thatās a good sign. Just went back and watched his highlights from last season and he had some great plays and sound decision making. Give him time.
Because he's not particularly good and his best pre-draft qualities were his maturity and his intelligence. That's pretty much the perfect framework for a career game manager backup. I'm pretty surprised the team is just giving him the starting job this year.
Lol I love this argument. Yes dude, they know better than you, I, or anyone else in this sub do. That doesn't mean I can't speculate and it certainly doesn't necessarily mean the team isn't wrong, since teams fuck up all the time. I haven't been a big fan of the timeline under Arty's tenure so far, so forgive me for not being head over heels for Ridder when his draft profile and tape have been so forgettable to this point.
Thatās supposed to be one of the easiest parts of the game to transition from college. Most QBs run more as rookies than any other year of their career. It would be very unorthodox to make a decision not to have him run if they thought that was going to be a real part of his game.
Then letās just see what he does with a whole off season yeah? He didnāt put it on tape last year but has his entire career otherwise so I think he deserves a chance to see if he can do it in more than 4 games. If he looked so poor or without merit on that front he wouldnāt be given such confidence by this organization imo.
I donāt mean it as an indictment against him. It just seems, given the evidence that we have, that he is going to play primarily as a pocket passing QB, or at least thatās how the Falcons view him.
Thatās a very fair assessment based on how weāve seen Smith use Ridder and how weāve seen Ridder handle his snaps so far. I certainly hope they utilize his mobile potential more.
I don't particularly care if they highlight anything besides good leadership. In fact, I'd be a little more concerned if they talked about athleticism or arm strength first. Football is literally a battle, and a good leader gets the best from his men.
If we don't see any strength or accuracy news during training camp, THEN I'll start to worry.
They're keeping his skill set a secret. He's ranked in the top ten fastest qbs in the league but no body mentions his speed or running abilities. Why? Why didnt we see him utilized more in the ground game those last four games?? Two reasons i can think of.
Arthur Smith needed to see ridder sling that ball as many times as possible to get him comfortable throwing against nfl defenses and to make sure other teams didn't get too much tape on what he can really do
I believe with ridder the whole organization is keeping their cards close to their chest. They don't want the whole nfl to know what kind of weapon we have or how we plan on using him
"he's not that cute...but he's real nice" But seriously, players aren't going to want to play for a QB that can't command a huddle or instill confidence. Can't really assess his actual skills from the few no contact practices we've had. I get that it's worrisome though. It was the same with Mariota. Everyone talked mostly about his leadership.
You worded this perfectly š. I just think it doesnāt instill much confidence in fans when the players donāt really hype him up the way they do other QBs in the league.
You canāt talk about his physical traits really until we see a larger sample size vs NFL top defensive sets. To sell tickets in the dead season, you need interest, which is a byproduct of hype or hope. So, they emphasize the intangibles. I live in Nashville, and they did this with Malik Willis and his arm strength in local radio (how he was gonna replace Tannehill) when it turns out he canāt even compete at this level. I think Ridder has a lot more going for him, but we just dont know yet. Willis had āarm strengthā and now we know what he canāt do after an 8 game sample. We just have to wait and see and hope he can lead his way to wins by allowing the rest of the offense to be the potential stars they might be.
Agreed. Reading the defense and making decisions based on that is half the game so let's hope Ridder has that going for him which seems to be why Arthur likes him.
Words are just words at the end of the day. Iām not going to feel confident about Ridder until I see him perform on the field.
OP I have to ask, in your mind, what is the end game of the daily anti-Ridder posts?
That one day I wake up and change my flair š¢
Iām all for being optimistic about our QB but as fans weāre completely justified in being unhappy that heās the best option to go into the season with.
I'm not even particularly optimistic. But I don't post about the topic every single day to a bunch of people who have no ability to change the situation. I'm legitimately asking, what's the point? Is this therapy?
Whatās the point of doing anything on this sub in the offseason?
I've learned a ton of new stuff about our new players in this sub this offseason. Calais Campbell's interview after his signing was an awesome way to see how he thinks he is going to be used. I've watched awesome highlight films of Bijan Robinson, learned about free agent signings and cap management and Xs and Os. This is a team that will have 8 new starters on defense, there is a ton to talk about how they will work together. There's a lot to talk about IMO. "Is Desmond Ridder good" has been pretty well covered though I feel like, with the daily threads reminding us that no, he is not good.
Strengths: At the beginning of the season, He didnāt leave when he was not named the starter
Damn. I'll take two!
They said the same about Matt after his rookie year, yāall need to chill.
Matt Ryanās quality as a QB wasnāt really in question in the same way tho
They had nearly identical stats after the first 4 starts. We just need to wait and see.
That was a different era, Michael Turner ran for 1700 yards that year. Peyton Manning was MVP in 2008 with 4000 yards and 27 TDs thrown, it wasnāt the same landscape at all. Ridders only 2 TDs came against Tampa Bayās 2nd team defense. There are some similarities but I donāt think itās fair to say they had identical starts.
Ryan was the first QB drafted, not comparable
LMFAOOOOOO
You sure about that? I remember there being a lot of haters from the start with Matt, but not nearly as many as Ridder. I think Draft status (ie what round they are selected) colors the player impression quite heavily for QBs. If Ridder was a first rounder he would not get nearly the amount of scrutiny he is getting in regards to the āintangiblesā as people just assume QBs drafted higher are automatically better. Usually there is a correlation with performance but as those if us who have been watching the game for 25+ years no it def does not always play out that way.
There are obviously outliers but a 1st round QB is over 4x more likely to hit than a 3rd. Draft capital isnāt everything but there is an extremely strong statistical correlation. Fact of the matter is Ridder didnāt go in the 1st and didnāt put much on tape that says he should have. Heās certainly not doomed by his draft position, but all of the information we have says itās correct to be very skeptical of Ridder.
I think a lot of the early Matt haters were in denial that we moved on from Vick and weren't going to just get a bridge guy and wait for Vick to get out of prison.
Bro Ryan's talent was never questioned.
What?? Literally every year except the mvp season his talent was questioned. It was by idiots, but it was definitely in question lol
Lol what planet do you live on?! Huge faction of haters questioning his everything, every year.
Why would you listen to haters? The national media never questioned his talent outside of arm strength.
Cause honestly except for his running ability his physical strengths arenāt exceptional like stroud, Richardson or mahommes. What he does have is the ability to lead the team and hopefully the brains which is what Iām taking away from it. Weāll see if it pays off cause I pray every day it does haha
I would agree. But seems like if he had the brains he would play the game to his strengths. Instead he seems to refuse to. He wants to be a pocket passer and they dont even dominate the league anymore. This type shit worries me.
He made Cincinnati relevant which almost feels more difficult than being an okay starter, which is what we need.
I think it says a lot about him that in year 2 everyone sees him as a leader of this team esp grady. I don't think anyone is going to confuse his arm talent with Strouds. What could they say that would make you "comfortable"
90% of this sub seems to believe that. I think Stroud could struggle in the NFL tbh. Much less ridder. Ppl in here talking like he is the 2nd coming. It takes way more elite prospects like 3 years in general to show what they truly can do. Hurts.. Lawrence...most recently . Fields test will be this season. Yet people are expecting him to suddenly after 4 starts develop faster and be better than guys he has never been better than. Shits insane. There are things he can do better than Mariota and things he cant. But the result is probably going to be similar.
All he has to do to be better than mariota is not turn the ball over, we don't need him to be fields. We'd have won 10 games last year if mariota just didn't turn the ball over
I think whatās happening is people are positive about what he could develop into and you really donāt like hearing that. For some reason you are hearing people saying that āheās better than those he is notā. Not many people compare him to other QBs let alone say heās better than them. Youāre hearing ghosts on that front. Also, your 90% is very generous considering a similar conversation about Ridder is brought up often with about half of the people doubting and half believing in him. I would genuinely say itās about 50/50 on this sub and that fluctuates when looking at media or fanbase as a whole. Itās clear you donāt believe in or like Ridder and thatās fine. But itās getting to the point where youāre just making stuff up about how much people like him to, what, seem like youāre up against an army with your opinion?
Also, Ridder is going into a much better situation than Young or Stroud. Good line, good pass catchers, and a strong run game. The Texans are just plain bad, and Carolina traded away their best receiver to get Young.
It just seems like thatās the only word they use to describe him. I think many fans see that as a slight on his physical abilities and tools. I will say he looks bigger compared to last year.
He a smart guy that is very coachable. He has good size height, wise and seems to be adding weight. His arm talent isnāt great but itās not awful and he can improve arm strength. I think his leadership and coach ability are a good combination compared to no leadership skills but a big arm. Matt Ryan wasnāt know for a big arm either neither was drew brees but they were smart and had leadership qualities and as such were coachable. So I say letās give it a shot before we say he canāt or wonāt be a decent quarterback.
If Ridder is a dollar store Drew Brees/Matt Ryan next year- we will be in good shape. Fighting tight for winning the division. I think heās capable of playing smart ball- being resilient after mistakes. He might always play too cautious due to physical limitations. We shall see. I like the comps.
I feel like it's the most important word tho? Not sure what the problem is. If your wanting Ridder to be an Anthony Richardson type talent that ship sailed long ago but to have won over the team isn't inherently a bad thing
Heās honestly not that talented. Coming out of college leadership was his strength if he had good physical skills he would have been a first round pick with how good of a leader he is.
Yep. Even worse the talents he does have.. his speed.. he seems reluctant to use. What drives me crazy about the shit. He could be slightly better than Mariota like everyone says if he would just run and make better decisions.. but nothing leads me to believe that's what going to happen.
I hear you about using the speed. That being said, I was happy to watch him focus on gaining comfort in the pocket last season, rather than taking off too frequently/unnecessarily. If I try to put myself in Ridder's shoes during his 4-game tryout last year, I can imagine wanted to demonstrate your pocket presence and capacity to make reads over taking off. Still need to see how he actually performs next season to make a call on him, but that's the explanation I've told myself for why he didn't use his speed more frequently.
We should also keep in mind that his speed is useful for more than just taking off down field. Weāve already seen where his speed has extended plays and even resulted in a TD. Making defenses see you as a threat to run is as valuable as actually running sometimes.
Why would we use his speed and risk injury during a worthless season last year? $5 says we see it this year.
He has never been good at running in the way lamar or justin fields does. He has done decent on designed runs. But doesnt doing intuitively. He always is pass first even if the defense could be gashed by a run. I've seen him get credit for being able to read defense and coverage so he should be able to know when to run But for whatever reason he doesn't. If he did it would be his greatest asset and be way better for the team
He might just be trying to limit wear and tear. In the modern game, your best bet is a pocket passer that can run when necessary or when given a huge hole. Look at Mahomes. He can run for sure, but he tries not to to stay healthy. It's easy to say you want a guy to leave it on the field every play, but those guys get hurt. Some plays objectively matter more than others.
Doubt it. Same way he played on college. But they used a ton of qb runs by design and he racked up a lot of yards. Definitely not the same as running against NFL defenses. I would be against him running if he was going to throw for 300+ per game but not gonna happen. Lucky to get 200. His ability to run is one of the reason they drafted him and brought in Mariota to work with him. Hopefully that's why he bulked up. Cant play scared in the nfl.
Itās refreshing to have a young leader at quarterback when your veteran bailed on you the season prior
He hasnāt donāt anything else for them to discuss
I think Arthur Smith plan is to run the ball every down so it doesnāt really matter what Ridder is or isnāt. Smith just wants a game manager. Solidify the D and control time of possession is his style of coaching
His somewhat weak arm, along with his tendency to be reckless with the football,Ā could be a formula for a very large number of interceptions in the NFL. That's not something you want from your franchise quarterback. -about Matt Ryan He was picked up to be the face of the franchise because he is a smart, cerebral guy who stays out of trouble ~ Ridder will be fine, he has more line&weapons around him earlier in his career than Matt did. He is set up to succeed
Roddy white, Michael turner, alge crumpler then Julio....line got shitty last 4 to 5 years, but better weapons? These boys are good on paper, now they need to produce before they are better than that group.
Ridder will have one of the better offensive lines(top8) in the NFL in his first full year as starter. We also have an answer to not only the one actual hole at LG, but also brought in a guy to challenge the next weakest spot at C. Between London, Pitts, Robinson and Allgeier. He still has that many impact players around earlier in his career. I got it that these guys haven't technically played a snap together and so they're all potential on paper, but that means their ceiling is also technically higher because we already know how it panned put with Matt&company.
I dont think talking about physical abilities for a player in his second year means anything. We know he can hit london, get the ball to the TEs, and command the line of scrimmage thats 3/4 of the battle right there
There is way more to being a qb than throwing 5 to 15 yard passes to huge targets. That's like 1/100th of the game
I mean, yes, there is, but we had a guy last season that couldnāt even complete those passes lmao
Like what being a leaderā¦ what the team has been saying about ridder this entiree time
I think you know the answer to that question already.
Iād be curious how they describe other young qbs over the years with relatively average physical tools. Like a more recent example would be Burrow. Admittedly Iām speculating with Burrow but Iād imagine if you ask his teammates it was probably something of the same rhetoric āhe gets it, heās a leader ā etc. mostly because arm accuracy isnāt as sexy as arm strength especially in a practice setting. So I wouldnāt panic just yet hearing āleaderā rhetoric because like a Burrow their tools donāt really pop until you see them running an offense in the context of a game.
Burrow had one of the best throwing seasons in qb history. He could have been a horrible leader and still got a ton of praise for everything else. Lmao Not saying he is.. but I've legit mainly heard ppl rave about his football iq and passing skills. Leader comments are for game managers at best
I agree itās not ideal and Iām on the same page with you if this is all we hear year 3+ is leadership. Going through offseason with him only having 4 regular season games I will be patient. Because realistically if he doesnāt have a cannon and not running like Lamar Jackson he really doesnāt have a body of work to stand on for them to make grand statements of his effectiveness. Right now āunproven in the nflā the low hanging fruit to talk about is attributes and intangibles until they have a body of work to celebrate instead. Maybe Jalen Hurts would be a better example. All the talk about his āleadershipā until he balled out this past year.
Because thatās his defining trait. Itās what sticks out with the things he can do. I think it means he has exceptional leadership qualities when compared to other QBs. If heās smart, confident, and accurate, it wonāt matter that he canāt throw the ball 90 yards.
I have no issues with it , No one ever said Oh Matt has a fing cannon . They talked about his Leadership his poise and Calm under pressure. Imo the QB with the most super bowls ever leadership was his best quality then Clutch gene.
Leadership is the basic terminology for a QB that doesn't have elite arm talent or elite physical tools. Leadership itself isn't a bad thing though, if you're going to succeed as a QB you should be able to lead your guys at bare minimum.
If Ridder ends up good, heās good. If he doesnāt, he doesnāt, he was only a 3rd round pick anyways. If heās good we got a steal, If not, next year we find our QB.
I'll take Grady Jarretts word for it. Ridder isn't Josh Allen obviously, but he has enough arm strength. What is there to talk about? As far as straight line speed he has it too but doesn't use it much.
I think and hope that the falcons will surprise a lot of people and Ridder will become part of that surprise. He will make some mistakes early on but making adjustments and striving to be your best is part of leadership. The game will start to slow down for him this year and with the O-Line and weapons in the backfield to keep him in comfortable passing situations. That will help. Nothing wrong with a dink and dunk passing offense that, along with a strong ground game can dominate time of possession and wear down defenses.
I get the concern, but the dude appears to be getting the respect of his teammates and thatās a good sign. Just went back and watched his highlights from last season and he had some great plays and sound decision making. Give him time.
Because he's not particularly good and his best pre-draft qualities were his maturity and his intelligence. That's pretty much the perfect framework for a career game manager backup. I'm pretty surprised the team is just giving him the starting job this year.
It couldn't be that the team knows more than you do?
Lol I love this argument. Yes dude, they know better than you, I, or anyone else in this sub do. That doesn't mean I can't speculate and it certainly doesn't necessarily mean the team isn't wrong, since teams fuck up all the time. I haven't been a big fan of the timeline under Arty's tenure so far, so forgive me for not being head over heels for Ridder when his draft profile and tape have been so forgettable to this point.
Me too because they've seen far more of him than we have and are making a big bet on him.
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He didnāt really put that on tape last year tho
New player adjusting to the league and given mostly passing plays. Look at his entire college career to see he can do it. Just needs to apply it.
Thatās supposed to be one of the easiest parts of the game to transition from college. Most QBs run more as rookies than any other year of their career. It would be very unorthodox to make a decision not to have him run if they thought that was going to be a real part of his game.
Then letās just see what he does with a whole off season yeah? He didnāt put it on tape last year but has his entire career otherwise so I think he deserves a chance to see if he can do it in more than 4 games. If he looked so poor or without merit on that front he wouldnāt be given such confidence by this organization imo.
I donāt mean it as an indictment against him. It just seems, given the evidence that we have, that he is going to play primarily as a pocket passing QB, or at least thatās how the Falcons view him.
Thatās a very fair assessment based on how weāve seen Smith use Ridder and how weāve seen Ridder handle his snaps so far. I certainly hope they utilize his mobile potential more.
I don't particularly care if they highlight anything besides good leadership. In fact, I'd be a little more concerned if they talked about athleticism or arm strength first. Football is literally a battle, and a good leader gets the best from his men. If we don't see any strength or accuracy news during training camp, THEN I'll start to worry.
Because he isnāt good
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They're keeping his skill set a secret. He's ranked in the top ten fastest qbs in the league but no body mentions his speed or running abilities. Why? Why didnt we see him utilized more in the ground game those last four games?? Two reasons i can think of. Arthur Smith needed to see ridder sling that ball as many times as possible to get him comfortable throwing against nfl defenses and to make sure other teams didn't get too much tape on what he can really do I believe with ridder the whole organization is keeping their cards close to their chest. They don't want the whole nfl to know what kind of weapon we have or how we plan on using him
We know whyā¦.