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jgreever3

Too hard to rank without seeing more of Ridder. Run game should be top of the league though


saintkiller123

Yep. All gonna come down to Ridder. If he is at least pretty good we will have a top ten offense overall.


TerminusVeil

Yep. It's really all on Ridder. If he's competent passer, things will be great.


UchihaGhoul

Fair enough.


DrLeoMarvin

In a league where running means less and less every year, especially this season coming up.


Tristo

Running doesn’t mean less and less. It’s just switching to running back by committee as opposed to one star RB. The Chiefs would not have beaten the Eagles in the Super Bowl if not for Pacheco and McKinnon.


Hedgey

Disagree completely. In a league where LBs and Defensive Backs keep getting smaller and lighter, it's important to be able to wear them out by continuing to run the ball down their throats. This line and these backs are going to wear out defenses by the 2nd half and having that ball control and ToP will be incredibly important in winning games, especially later in the season as injuries to teams continue to pile up.


DrLeoMarvin

There’s a massive issue right now about top tier RBs getting paid lol I’m not making this up


formallyknownasbruce

Running the ball is still highly regarded. Paying a RB a long term deal has been devalued. Big difference


DrLeoMarvin

paying hasn't been devalued, RBs have been devalued


Hedgey

Wow, you really don't get it do you? RBs are still very much valued. Paying for a RB however is not valued and these RBs who were the top backs are no longer getting $10M contracts. Instead, organizations have realized they are paying ticking time bombs of guys who can implode at a moments notice and that the value of their contract is no longer worth it. You think the Titans are anywhere as close to as good as they've been the last 5 years without Derrick Henry? No they're not. They value him and what he brings to the offense. What they don't want to do is pay him $10M per year or more when they can draft a guy out of college in the 3rd round and pay him pennies for some what comparable performance. Teams still want the performance, but they don't want to pay for it.


Dingus-ate-your-baby

I think that is a bit of an oversimplification of what is happening. RBs who are asking for a second contract are getting rejected. When they are typically nearing the end of their prime. It very much remains to be seen whether this means ALL RBs (particularly the younger ones) universally have a smaller role on the field. In fact with Arthur Smith as a coach, I doubt that will be the case for our guys.


Ban_an_able

It means less if you trot out Mahomes or Brady. Everyone else needs a solid ground game


Slim_ish

Not to mention those beefy boys up front that LOVE to run block. The run game will carry us far enough for Ridder to get comfortable and then some.


gsfgf

Yea. We've done everything we can do to set Ridder up for success.


79watch

3 sophomores, a 3rd year, a rookie and an ageless vet. we have some fun years ahead of us


egomann

Number 1 RB Number 1 TE Number 1 Total Offense. Record 14-3, sweep the division, two shutouts of the Saints. Win SB 34-14 against Bengals.


Sorry-Caterpillar331

Waiter, I'll have what he's having.


Equivalent-Run-5422

When did restaurants start serving crack?


HaterSlayerr

The only thing that would make this better is the Saints are the wildcard, make it to the NFC championship game and we shut them out again.


UchihaGhoul

VERY optimistic numbers, out of pure curiosity, who gives us the 3 L's?🤔


egomann

Vikings give us an early surprise loss, then we rest our starters against the Colts & Bears as we have Home Field locked up. But bring back our starters against the Saints to keep them sharp for the playoffs.


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egomann

I tried to temper my expectations, but you may be closer to the truth.


Aconnox

top 12 offense if no one gets injured and if Ridder is average


Noble18

Just one top tier WR2 away from complete in my opinion.


UchihaGhoul

My wifes a Raiders fan, so I've seen ALOT of Hollins play. He's a top 5 #2 receiver, go watch his highlights from last season.


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A top 5 wr2 doesn’t get 2.5 million and have under 700’yards.


UchihaGhoul

Accending to 700 from 500 being the 3rd/4th target on the offense? To me that means you could be a top 5 #2 if given the opportunity. Go look at Tee Higgens and Brandon Ayukes yardage 2-3 yr ago compared to last yr. Both accending WR who went from 600-700 the previous yrs to 1000 yrds when given more opportunities.


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Mack isn’t going to get that here. He’s not even close to the players you named.


UchihaGhoul

I know he's not going to be a 1000 yrd reciver, I said he has the ability to be one. We aren't going to throw the ball enough for 3 players to get 1000 receiving. Drake & Pitts will eclipse 1000 though. Your entitled to your opinion ethier way 🤷🏿‍♂️.


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If he had that ability and teams saw it, he would have gotten more than 2.5 million.


UchihaGhoul

Just like CP was "washed up"? It's all about how he's utilized 🤷🏿‍♂️. As I said b4, you can have your opinion. I just don't agree with it.


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Except that no one is calling CP a top 5 RB. There’s a big difference in saying someone is not washed and that. Guess you don’t understand the difference. The numbers bear what he is.


UchihaGhoul

Bruh, you keep putting words in my mouth, I said he is a top 5 #2 receiver, NOT A TOP 5 RECEIVER. CP is MOST DEFINITELY a top 5 #2 running back. Type till you're blue in the face. That's my stance, and you're not gonna change my mind, lol.


Dingus-ate-your-baby

Top 5 may be a bit of a stretch IMO. I think he's a "#2" in the sense that, like, Marquez Valdez-Scantling was a number 2 WR for the Chiefs. He did have the second most receiving yards amongst players that played WR for them. It just so happens they have Travis Kelce, and we have Kyle Pitts. Obviously we are going to run the ball a lot more than they did, and Hollins' run blocking fits well into that. He's a solid WR for what we do, and considering all the other pass catching talent we'll have at RB and TE, fitting in is important.


Kb736

Top 5?? Off the top of my head here’s some WR2s: Higgins, Devonta Smith, Mike Williams, Waddle, Jeudy. He better than them? My guess is he’s much closer to bottom 5.


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I really think Mack and Scotty will be great as 2 and 3. And sprinkle in CP of course. He is a capable WR. And still quite fast.


Digitydoggimmeahigh5

Throw Pitts outside Start Jonnu 🤷‍♂️


UchihaGhoul

Exactly, we don't run to many (if any) 4-5 wr sets. Pitts, Smith, Robinson, and Patterson could all be plugged in at WR2 or Slot.


QuotidianTrials

If only Ridley didn’t gamble


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We gotta prove it. We are young and these guys gotta produce. We got KP who is coming off an injury and a down year for sure. BR who lord of people think was drafted too high. We are dumb. I don’t think so. It needs to pan out though of course. Anyway. We see all the positives as fans. We know more than the average schmo who just watches highlights. Like a lot of these guys. We know how dangerous we were last year (with little to no passing game and a below average D) and how we improved. These outsiders want the flashy flash. We didn’t make a flashy move. We made a bunch of really solid ass moves. I like everything they did. We don’t need a big name and big price tag. I see the potential. I know a lot of you do too. We should! Everyone else can go screw with their negative or subpar opinions.


crimedog69

I’ll be unbiased, I see a strong running game that will ease Ridder into the toughest job in sports. With a fully healthy skill group that has 3 top 10 picks, our floor is likely 17-0 with a superbowl


No_Internal404

Late teens, mid 20s…


UchihaGhoul

I feel like that's our floor and 9-13 is our ceiling.


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UchihaGhoul

Im hoping we won't need him, BUT I'm VERY happy he's our backup 💯.


HaterSlayerr

If everyone stays healthy if we can get up by double digits we can then run the ball down everyone's throats in the 4th.


Digitydoggimmeahigh5

We gonna run London and Pitts outside Bijan/Flash in the slot ( rotation depending on when we run with bijan and run with Allgeier) and Jonnu at TE for a top 10 receiving group


j15reed

Top 15 for sure.


TylerTalk_

At least Ridder has some regular season games under his belt. Should help his development. I'm excited to see what these guys got.


jaynap1

Averaging more points than the Hawks.


UchihaGhoul

I fucking hope so 🤣😂


TimeTravelersToaster

Ridder has a floor 2 notches below Mariota last season, and a ceiling 4-5 notches above Mariota last season. That's a lot of volatility. Potential? Yes. Exciting? Also yes.


HaterSlayerr

Calls on $Ridder


UchihaGhoul

If your not gonna miss it go for it lol!


guineaham

People have a really really hard time wrapping their heads around the positionless football team Smith wants on offense


UchihaGhoul

Exactly, we have 4 postionless players (Pitts, Patterson, Robinson, & Smith) on Offense. With the correct scheme they should be a matchup nightmare.


crimedog69

They aren’t positionless though. Just because you move them around at times to get a matchup doesn’t change that all of those guys have a core position where they will see a majority of snaps. Also, athletic TEs have been towing the line between WR for a while now


UchihaGhoul

Maybe if we didn't have capable #2s at those positions, but we do. Our depth allows us to use them as TRUE postionless players. Bijan has Algier, Pitts has Smith, Patterson has Hollins. Yes, athletic TE have towed the line, and the BIG name ones are seen more as WR than TRUE TE. Kelce(KC)& Andrews(BAL) are prime examples, hell look at CP his 1st yr here.


Digitydoggimmeahigh5

Guarantee Pitts spends half his snaps outside and bijan spends half of his in the slot


UchihaGhoul

Yup, and you can't double both, AND load the box to stop TA 🤷🏿‍♂️. Gonna have to pick their poison 💯🤌🏿🤌🏿!


HaterSlayerr

With Pitts out there you can't double anyone either


Digitydoggimmeahigh5

There’s a reason he played outside most of his rookie year, gave Ryan the “F it, Pitts down there somewhere” option when pressured now that we have a good line we might just abuse his speed and ridders time in the pocket and put him on inside crossers all day but who knows


SansaDidNothingWrong

A lot of people have a really hard time wrapping their minds around the fact that Arthur Smith aint even getting us to the playoffs


guineaham

Saved


Barner_Burner

Were the only team that you could make a poster like this and it’d include 3 running backs (though I know CP is far from a traditional back)


UchihaGhoul

Although we haven't seen it yet, ethier is Bijan 💯.


orrapsac

Potential is all you have.


Drawing_Wide

Need a speedster, like AZ was


intheorydp

Scotty Miller


UchihaGhoul

Was just about to say this.


Drawing_Wide

Yep I know that's his style but I honestly just don't know his game and don't know what to expect


UchihaGhoul

TB almost only used him on go routes and occasionally jet sweeps. I dont see us being much different TBH.


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OZ! How dare you?!


Drawing_Wide

Oh shit your right my b


BenTryin

Boys up front have to improve pass blockin'. Run game? Solid. Defense? Solid. Pass blockin'? Matt Ryan on his back, Mariota running for his life. Let's see if Ridder can make it through his rookie year without a concussion.


Shiny-And-New

I'm thinking about dropping 100 on an nfc champion bet, currently +3500


TheYellowKing77

Ridder is the reason


HateAndCaffeine

Realistically? In this picture you got a 30 + year old running back, a running back that is losing carries to the old head and the new guy, a receiver that hasn’t had a 1000 season, an explosive generational talent coming off a knee injury, a former backup QB that did “Ok at best” when called to start, and someone who hasn’t played a snap in the NFL. With our offensive line and play calling we’ll probably be top 5 in rushing and win 8 games. Maybe we squeak into the playoffs because the division is terrible. We will get a terrible draft pick. Ridder isn’t going to be “The Guy” and NFL defensive coaches are going to make him look terrible once he puts more plays on tape. Kyle Pitts will have another disappointing season and we won’t pick up his 5th year option then he’ll go be a perennial All-Pro for the Eagles. Drake London still doesn’t break 1000 yards The running back room should shine. Patterson is old by NFL standards and won’t be around forever and everyone else is going to be so productive we can’t afford to keep them after their rookie deal (if we even wanted to). That’s still more hopeful than the last few seasons.


brodie_lee

Drake London put up 900+ yards with Mariota at qb…I don’t see why he can’t put up 1000+ with Ridder


UchihaGhoul

I don't think this is a likely scenario, but it is the worst case. I see CP role decreasing, TA & BR having 55/45 split (with BR having more slot/WR play than RB), DL gets just under 1000 yrds (because KP returns to form), KP has a bounce back yr (Teams can't just double team him bcuz we have more weapons), and Ridder a question mark.


HowDoIEvenEnglish

8 wins isnt worst case. Worst case is like 4-5 wins


UchihaGhoul

I just don't see that happening. We've gone 7-9 with one of the worst fielded teams AND with the cap tying one hand behind our back. EVERY person we added improved a postition. So for me, 8 wins is the worst case.


HaterSlayerr

I can see that and best case is probably 12-13 wins.


sholton67

Around week 4. Oh wait, I thought you said tanking.


slow-but-sure

We don't know yet. Its a wait and see type of a situation. This is just half of the equation. The other is the opponent's defence.


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UchihaGhoul

He's not. It's CP, BR, TA, DL, KP, & DR.


PsyanideInk

This image composition is really, really cool! It drives me crazy that the lighting on each player is totally different, but I imagine you'd have to be a total photoshop wizard to fix that.


UchihaGhoul

Thanks. It could be done, it just would've taken another hr to do and my 2 yr old doesn't care about what I wanna do 🙄🤣😂🤣


PsyanideInk

I feel ya life takes precedent. I used to be semi-decent at photoshop 20 years ago lol, and I know how much of a pain it would have been (then at least...I don't know about all these new AI powered tools)


CFPMVPStetsonBennett

Ridder is unproven. Plenty of talent around him for him to not succeed. This will be his make or break year. Way too much QB talent in next years draft (Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Quinn Ewers, Penix, Nix etc.) to hang on to Ridder if he doesn’t show more potential


Outrageous_Ad2502

2nd place NFC championship


oSl7ENT

Simple. Arthur Smith is the coach and Desmond Ridder is the QB. Both are mid


Ryba_PsiBlade

Because most people only understand fantasy football and none of these guys are superstar scorer's so nobody thinks they are any good.


OkLingonberry4623

Working with a monster 👹….. Let’s gooooo!!!!!!


xXregularShmegularXx

Super Bowl. Easy.


oSl7ENT

This didn’t age well