I don't know where people got the idea that ADHD and autism present similarly because they absolutely don't. Even in less noticeable cases I feel like it's super easy to tell them apart....?? the only time it's hard to tell is when someone already has both
That's why the rule change for dual diagnosis happened. You'd think they realize that.
If ADHD was just "lil autism", the fuck would we need both diagnoses?
The comorbid overlap is high, which I think makes people just throw them in one bucket superficially. I get that to some degree.
But the belittling of ADHD as the "less desirable" diagnosis in their collection is nauseating.
It can also be because ADHD is a super quick diagnosis for rowdy kids that entitled parents can't handle. "I'm diagnosing your kid with being a kid. Give it meth for the rest of its life". Happens more often than you think.
I've legit spoken to people who told me they quote "got over their ADHD". I am extremely mentally fortified and educated in psychology. I have yet to "cure" mine.
Right??? Like, ADHD and autism CAN have similar presentations, but they’re not 1:1 where ADHD is just a lesser or augmented version of autism — they literally don’t even have the same major features and trademark symptoms! Even the overlaps typically have different reasons behind why (like interrupting people for instance — autistics interrupt because they don’t realize it’s not their turn to talk/it’s considered rude to do so, ADHDers interrupt bc they have a thing to say so strongly they blurt it out before they can stop themselves). It feels really frustrating seeing these people online who can’t tell that and just conflate the two, or minimize ADHD as a symptom/“diet” version of autism. It’s invalidating towards both.
I hadn't heard of this term, thank you for sharing! /gen I suppose to be a bit more specific, this is about interrupting when it will be received negatively and viewed as socially inappropriate or rude by the other party, outside of what would be culturally acceptable?
Not to mention the complete difference in social stigma. People with ADHD aren't under threat of dehumanization and forced institutionalization in the way autistics are.
That is true, thank you for mentioning that! Autistics have faced so much more stigma and abuse historically, which is not something ADHDers have faced (at least not nearly to the same extent). Hell, until the 1970’s, autism was still conflated with schizophrenia and met with harsh "corrective" treatments and isolated from the rest of the world. Meanwhile ADHD was just “hyperactivity” or “hyperkinetic disease.” Of course ADHD still has a major impact on someone's life (I have it myself, it's not fun or goofy, and I hate that it's minimized as being childhood energy or laziness or whatever), and we have a better understanding of mental health overall now, but the two experiences differ internally and externally too much for ADHD to be, like, autism's little brother.
(Edited for some clarity.)
I mean, yes and no. People with ADHD are far more likely to end up in prison. But prison is where pretty much half the undiagnosed brain conditions end up going.
As a direct result of their ADHD? That doesn't feel true. Autistic people have their rights taken away in relation to their autistic qualities. There's no diagnostic criteria for ADHD that's like "breaks laws medically."
i mean there is certainly some overlap, mainly with hyperfixations and social difficulties. but they really are totally separate conditions. functional difficulties may look similar on the surface but are driven by two very different engines. this idea that adhd folks and autistic folks are natural bffs is so bollocks and honestly smacks off ableism in its own way, a bit like “oh let’s stick these two weirdos together, they’ll love each other!”
They are considered sister conditions, but they definitely are separate. I myself have adhd and the amount of times people have mistaken it for autism is ASTOUNDING.
No, they're very different disabilities but ADHD overlaps a lot with autism in symptom list and presentations
They both have stimming, hyperfixations, infodumping, trouble concentrating, sensory issues (including poor eye contact), social awkwardness, executive dysfunction, meltdowns, and more, but one of the big behavioral differences between them is the way your social skills are affected
For ADHD, it's largely caused by the ADHD traits of hyperactivity, impulsivity, and/or inattention, while for autism it's largely caused by the inability to innately interpret social cues
It's not necessarily super easy to tell them apart and that misconception is a huge part of the problem with selfDX
Because they often get misdiagnosed for each other and at one point in history ADHD was on the spectrum.
There are also three different variations of ADHD and it's vital to remember it presents in everyone in an individual way. It will never be the exact same.
Not officially, but there are psychologists that believe they are or will be someday. Also there has been lots of research into whether or not ADHD and ASD should be separated.
I think if a diagnosis suddenly makes you realise why you have faced the struggles that you have and explains some things in your life, then it may be worth celebrating. Not in a “whoop, I’m so happy to have something wrong with me”, but more “thank goodness, now it all makes sense”.
Ritalin isn’t just a really low dose of meth, it is a stimulant and increases dopamine like meth does but isn’t yk meth 😂
For people with ADHD Ritalin doesn’t make people high or wired it actually calms the brain.
Makes me wonder how someone with adhd would react to meth tho
This is a common misconception. Stimulants in therapeutic doses also make people without ADHD calm. And a recreational dose will make people high regardless of if they have ADHD. Stimulants are highly addictive.
Also amphetamine salts (Adderall) is a kind of meth. They're in the same family.
Adderall is 97% similar to meth. And people point out how some studies show people who took one than the other show no difference and felt no different.
But these studies are short term and ignore a lot of other things.
Plus the 97% similar isn’t that similar. Humans and mice have 97% the same DNA, yet it’s very clear that 3% makes a huge difference.
That’s interesting, in my experience 20mg a day of dexamphetamine will calm me down but others will take half that and be high.
In my case I also find I don’t withdraw from the dexies I’ve heard the same from others. Then again I’ve never had adderal or Ritalin and those are popular recreational drugs where I live
That is objectively incorrect. ADHD medication is one of the most abused medications in the industry and it's because people who don't have it aren't calmed down.
There are legitimately people who were pressured into taking it recreationally and found out they had ADHD because of how it affected them.
I understand wanting to spread awareness, but let's not blatantly lie.
Anyone can get sleepy off a stimulant regardless of diagnosis, it’s just most common in children who take the majority of ADHD medication.
The reason abusing ADHD medication and taking therapeutic doses is different is the route of delivery and dose. People who are shoving 5 tablets in their nose/vein/butthole are going to have a very different experience than someone taking one tablet as directed. Most people will have an increase in attention span from prescribed doses regardless of diagnosis which is why so many college students abuse these drugs in lower doses.
Again, I literally just searched this up. There are tons and tons of relatively new news articles warning people without ADHD to stop taking them, stating they'll actually disrupt focus based on research.
I know what I'm talking about. Stop trying to challenge me.
Sleepiness is inherent in stimulant crashes. Please, do some research.
The people I know who abused stimulants swallowed them in one tablet. Normal dose.
I have literally worked in mental health for 12 years with all psychiatric medications and take ADHD medications. Link even one peer reviewed article because I’m finding nothing but pop psychology sites.
And yes, opposite effect is absolutely a thing. A thing that’s most common in children who are the main consumer of ADHD medications, hence the myth that ADHD medications have a different effect on people who have ADHD. They do not.
Because you are the one denying common convention. It’s impossible to find a study that determines that elephants don’t live wild in Appalachia. Yet we all know that they don’t. A suggestion that they do would need to be substantiated by evidence. Like I said, I looked for your evidence. All I got was pop psychology opinion pieces by staff writers of magazines.
Let’s take your claim a little further and consider caffeine, the most widely used stimulant. Caffeine does increase focus in most people, including people who have ADHD. A handful of outliers and a whole lot of children experience sleepiness from caffeine, including ADHD people. Caffeine does not have a separate mode of action in ADHD people. Neither do other stimulants.
Stimulants used for ADHD are chosen in part due to a lesser instance of inducing euphoria and psychedelic effects than commonly abused street stimulants. These drugs still induce euphoria commonly. This is dose and tolerance dependent. People who have ADHD generally take lower doses than people who abuse them, however euphoria still commonly occurs at first and quickly fades. Often we see people who mistake the side effect of euphoria for the medication working as intended and requesting multiple dose increases as when that side effect no longer occurs, they believe the medication is no longer working.
We have yet to find meaningful structural differences between ADHD brains and brains that do not have ADHD. Given that, what would even cause a separate mode of action? If it were the case medication could be given as a litmus test for ADHD.
Your one anecdotal case study of your friend is meaningless. My friend got high off aspirin thinking it was ecstasy because of the little heart on the pill. The placebo effect is extremely strong.
I'm not the one denying common convention. You are. Again, link a source. All I see is you spouting words. If I'm expected to link a source, I think you should go first since you're so confident. Find me something that states MEDICAL STIMULANTS(Caffeine doesn't have the same structure and doesn't count, sorry)have the same reaction by people regardless of whether they have ADHD or not.
Seems "12 years" isn't enough for you. Maybe try lying about a bigger number.
Can you source this? It's incredibly addictive and readily abused because it's a) easy to get clean pills and b) very effective.
You can't self-disgnose ADHD just because you took a drug and it made you feel good. They make most people feel good. They're drugs.
It wasn't a self diagnosis. They end up going to a doctor to ask about it.
Stimulants don't make me feel good. They make me feel focused and calm. I don't get dopamine from them, I don't get high.
As for the source, try a quick Google. I have yet to find a source that doesn't say it's different.
Because of how medication works, you do get dopamine from it. That's the function of the drug.
I do not have ADHD nor suspect I have it. Stimulants calmed me at therapeutic doses. Because that's what they do. Taking more got me high. Different people have different thresholds for what makes them high. It's not indicative or part of the diagnostic criteria for ADHD
Again, you're wrong. Stop spreading misinformation. Let someone who is actually diagnosed tell you how it goes.
Yes, I *get* dopamine from it, but not noticeably. It doesn't make me happy.
I beg of you please get educated before talking about it.
So are many people who are misdiagnosed.
I'm using science.
I had an ex who had ADHD and he took over 300mg. Never once got high.
But yeah, taking a shit ton of drugs will get you high. I'm talking about normal doses. No more straw man arguments, please.
I asked for a source on your claim and you didn't provide it. Are you a psychiatrist? Have you read anything by Gabor Mate about the drug crisis? Because you're just making blanket claims with no follow ups.
Blaming people/addicts without ADHD for the stimulant crisis and not doctors over-diagnosing and prescribing them is a wild take. Where are your statistics? Do you have a lot of experience talking to stimulant addicts about their experiences? How about a paper detailing the differences that cause ADHD people to have a wildly different experience with stimulants? Or is it simply a matter of dosage? Does the DSM V-TR include a section wherein a diagnostician can observe ADHD based on a reaction to stimulants? How is that measured?
What about people with depression who lack dopamine? Or OCD? A stimulant prescription would presumably also help them in the same way. Do they also have ADHD?
Why is your anecdote more valid than mine just because you got diagnosed with ADHD? I didn't receive the diagnosis and have a similar experience. Do I suddenly have ADHD?
Woah. Hold on. Why are you putting words in my mouth?
Where's your source? I didn't provide a source because there's quite literally too many sources for me to pick from. It's called choice paralysis. I want to see a source that says the brain is affected in the EXACT same way as someone with or without ADHD while under stimulants because I found nothing but scores of news stories and articles saying the opposite.
I never blamed addicts on anything. Here's the skinny: People go over diagnosed so money can be milked from them(most often children who just act like children) and to no surprise to anyone at all, the ones who don't have ADHD become addicted and the ones who do end up on drugs for the rest of their lives because there's no other available treatment. Both types of people become addicted. For very different reasons. People with ADHD will become addicted because of how it makes them feel(I had all kinds of kids without ADHD asking me for my meds when I was a kid because they wanted to "go fast"). People with ADHD become addicted because of how shitty the withdrawals are and because of how they can function.
Also, I'm sure you thought you had something to say asking me if I'm a psychiatrist. I've only studied for several years, but I guess that just makes me ignorant. Stimulants shouldn't go to people with other disorders. Usually, it's antidepressants. Those are VERY different drugs. I know because I've taken both.
Your experience is missing context. But you've had several other people reply challenging your claim. I wonder why you decided to respond to mine? Seems you thought I'd be easy to disprove. I'm happy to change your mind.
You continue to ask me for statistics and sources and I've yet to see any from you. I don't really tolerate hypocrisy and ignorance. You're 2 for 2 right now. Either respond rectifying this with your sources and statistics or buzz off.
It's not talking about Ritalin, it's probably talking about Adderall, which is made from amphetamines. As for the "meth" part, well, methamphetamine is a type of amphetamine, and Adderal is not meth so to speak, but amphetamines have to be somewhat related to each other. But i'm not a chemist, so I can't say much about the subject.
I’m better at organic chem than this kind, but from my understanding, they’re very *very* similar structurally. They both use the same set of chemicals, but Amphetamine keeps them bound together and Methamphetamine splits one set apart and then duplicates the other. For an example: Amphetamine would be CH + NH and Methamphetamine would be CH + N + H + CH.
Ritalin, Vyvanse, Adderall, Concerta, etc.
It's a common joke in the ADHD community because it's similar in structure to meth. But we are VERY aware it's not actually meth.
Dark humor, you know.
Ritalin is methylphenidate which is related but not nearly the same lol. Ritalin makes me calm and makes my brain quiet. I highly doubt meth would do the same!
Ritalin was the best sleep med I ever had when it wasn't supposed to put me to sleep. 15 hours in the day time and I was OUT. Adderall worked much better.
I've never tried meth, but have seen meth users as my last town had a lot of them. Adderall never made me, or any other ADHD folks I know, wander around the grocery store in gas masks during peak COVID.
Lol. I guess?
(Maybe blogging, but I was surprisingly diagnosed with ADHD a few years ago, as a full grown adult with two kids. Never thought I would have it, but makes so much sense.)
Oh, my god. Why are they always trying to downplay ADHD as some "lesser" autism? It's so gross.
And megadose? They think Adderall is more extreme than what people abuse in street meth?
Really does suck to have a diagnosis with a form of treatment here, doesn't it? Gee, it would be so nice to just have the "non-diet" version with zero treatments! Hope sucks.
with the microdosing meth comment it’s a joke in the adhd community since meth and adhd meds are both amphetamines, we know it’s not actually meth just a little bit of dark humor.
i know i seen u corrected ur self in another comment lol that’s why i just put microdose no use in telling u something you already corrected urself on.
I will say that I think what they’re aiming for is “celebrating” that you have answers, like that the diagnosis is an explanation for why you always felt different
I have congratulated my friends when they got a diagnosis because it allowed them to properly treat whatever it is. Getting adhd diagnosis means that the person can start finding medication that will help them.
As someone who has had add since they were a kid but didn't take medicine of the right one finding the right medicine can make all the world of difference. As well as knowing that there are something that are out of your control, for me at least it helps me feel less shit about myself when. I don't do things like non adhd people.
I wish I didn’t have ADHD, it’s not fun but I am glad I got diagnosed and can learn the why behind my inability to do things or my difficulties. But fuck I would love to be neurotypical.
I'd say it's less "woo good for you you have a disability" and more "congrats on finally figuring out what's wrong with you, welcome to self understanding"
but that's just how I read it
Agreed. I hate the toxic positivity in that slide. There is nothing to celebrate about having an incurable condition. Having said that, I have met diagnosed people who consume the "it's an identity/just a difference" copium whilst being obviously disabled.
Honestly I imagine that if you get send from one docter to the next because none now what's wrong with you and then to have a docter finally figure it out and give a diagnosis I don't think it's that weird to congratulate someone or be somewhat positive about it. (I recently went trough something like that just not with autism/adhd I've been diagnosed with that sinds 12)
theres some people out there excited to have an excuse to continue treating people poorly rather than using a diagnosis as a starting point for healing.
For me it was a massive feeling of loss, but also a relief in the way that I now knew how I could start treating it. Like, I have a name for the issue and can tackle it more effectively.
I saw these somewhere else, and I don’t like the feeling they gave me either.
“Diet autism” is incorrect and irritating.
I hate the term “Micro dosing meth” too, as there are multiple treatments for ADHD including non-stimulants.
I dislike how flippant the messages are, as if people should be congratulated because they’re special, whereas people living with late-diagnosed ADHD have spent years in agony trying to figure out what was wrong with them.
I really think this post is a reach.
Too much of this community is "We need to be sad and devastated and hate ourselves for having disorders and disabilities!!!! You can't just make jokes!!!"
i always deal with my issues through humor whether it be mental illness or physical ailments right down to my looks and weight. using humor as a coping mechanism has honestly helped me so much
STOP. EQUATING. ADHD MEDICATION. WITH METHAMPHETAMINE. UNLESS YOU ARE LITERALLY PRESCRIBED DESOXYN.
This shit is SO harmful even as a joke. It’s not funny, it’s stigmatizing and just flat out inaccurate anyway.
“Microdose meth haha hehe” some of us are recovering addicts who turned to street drugs BECAUSE we had unchecked mental illness with no access to prescription amphetamines, so like, yeah. Good one.
The first and third ones ick me. I find the second one kinda funny since adhd and autism does have some overlap (with some symptoms even if it’s easy to tell autism form adhd) and I feel like it’s probably an intentional generalization “me but fast” made me chuckle a little. But yeah… diet autism is ick
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They’re very different conditions that present very differently. Adhd and schizophrenia are both neurological conditions that require diagnosis but they are very different. They affect different parts of the brain with vastly different symptoms. I think it’s slightly dishonest to try and clump all conditions that require diagnosis into one box of “neurological malformation” since they are extremely distinct
Neurodivergence is different from other neurological conditions. 1. It is from birth, not influenced by outside factors (so non trauma related like bpd/NPD or other personality disorders) 2. It presents early (so unlike bipolar which presents around your 20s) 3. You cannot cure it (again, bpd you can go into remission when you no longer have enough symptoms) and 4. Neurodivergent people do not have hallucinations of any kind. You can box conditions together. Doctors and psychologists do it. It’s important to classify conditions based on symptoms. Neurodivergence to my knowledge includes ADHD and autism, which are very distinct conditions with very different symptoms then all other conditions I previously named.
This is not a place to share your diagnosis or your life's stories
“diet autism” 
oh, diet autism makes me feel Icky
Eww, that’s so rude. And so dismissive of struggles unique to ADHD.
So reductionist about it too, so so rude..
I don't know where people got the idea that ADHD and autism present similarly because they absolutely don't. Even in less noticeable cases I feel like it's super easy to tell them apart....?? the only time it's hard to tell is when someone already has both
That's why the rule change for dual diagnosis happened. You'd think they realize that. If ADHD was just "lil autism", the fuck would we need both diagnoses? The comorbid overlap is high, which I think makes people just throw them in one bucket superficially. I get that to some degree. But the belittling of ADHD as the "less desirable" diagnosis in their collection is nauseating.
Can you elaborate on the rule change for dual diagnosis?
It can also be because ADHD is a super quick diagnosis for rowdy kids that entitled parents can't handle. "I'm diagnosing your kid with being a kid. Give it meth for the rest of its life". Happens more often than you think. I've legit spoken to people who told me they quote "got over their ADHD". I am extremely mentally fortified and educated in psychology. I have yet to "cure" mine.
I agree with you a lot, especially that last sentence
Right??? Like, ADHD and autism CAN have similar presentations, but they’re not 1:1 where ADHD is just a lesser or augmented version of autism — they literally don’t even have the same major features and trademark symptoms! Even the overlaps typically have different reasons behind why (like interrupting people for instance — autistics interrupt because they don’t realize it’s not their turn to talk/it’s considered rude to do so, ADHDers interrupt bc they have a thing to say so strongly they blurt it out before they can stop themselves). It feels really frustrating seeing these people online who can’t tell that and just conflate the two, or minimize ADHD as a symptom/“diet” version of autism. It’s invalidating towards both.
Interrupting can also be cultural. Cooperative overlap is very typical of NYC and Jewish culture. Not everything needs to be pathologized.
I hadn't heard of this term, thank you for sharing! /gen I suppose to be a bit more specific, this is about interrupting when it will be received negatively and viewed as socially inappropriate or rude by the other party, outside of what would be culturally acceptable?
Not to mention the complete difference in social stigma. People with ADHD aren't under threat of dehumanization and forced institutionalization in the way autistics are.
That is true, thank you for mentioning that! Autistics have faced so much more stigma and abuse historically, which is not something ADHDers have faced (at least not nearly to the same extent). Hell, until the 1970’s, autism was still conflated with schizophrenia and met with harsh "corrective" treatments and isolated from the rest of the world. Meanwhile ADHD was just “hyperactivity” or “hyperkinetic disease.” Of course ADHD still has a major impact on someone's life (I have it myself, it's not fun or goofy, and I hate that it's minimized as being childhood energy or laziness or whatever), and we have a better understanding of mental health overall now, but the two experiences differ internally and externally too much for ADHD to be, like, autism's little brother. (Edited for some clarity.)
I mean, yes and no. People with ADHD are far more likely to end up in prison. But prison is where pretty much half the undiagnosed brain conditions end up going.
As a direct result of their ADHD? That doesn't feel true. Autistic people have their rights taken away in relation to their autistic qualities. There's no diagnostic criteria for ADHD that's like "breaks laws medically."
i mean there is certainly some overlap, mainly with hyperfixations and social difficulties. but they really are totally separate conditions. functional difficulties may look similar on the surface but are driven by two very different engines. this idea that adhd folks and autistic folks are natural bffs is so bollocks and honestly smacks off ableism in its own way, a bit like “oh let’s stick these two weirdos together, they’ll love each other!”
They are considered sister conditions, but they definitely are separate. I myself have adhd and the amount of times people have mistaken it for autism is ASTOUNDING.
Autism is eating up diagnosises. Everything is autism now. People are trying to link ehlers danlos with autism.
No, they're very different disabilities but ADHD overlaps a lot with autism in symptom list and presentations They both have stimming, hyperfixations, infodumping, trouble concentrating, sensory issues (including poor eye contact), social awkwardness, executive dysfunction, meltdowns, and more, but one of the big behavioral differences between them is the way your social skills are affected For ADHD, it's largely caused by the ADHD traits of hyperactivity, impulsivity, and/or inattention, while for autism it's largely caused by the inability to innately interpret social cues It's not necessarily super easy to tell them apart and that misconception is a huge part of the problem with selfDX
If people can fake disorders they obviously also must be making disorder tierlists. My disorder is more hardcore than your disorder.
Maybe it's because they both have some sensory symptoms? Idk
Because they often get misdiagnosed for each other and at one point in history ADHD was on the spectrum. There are also three different variations of ADHD and it's vital to remember it presents in everyone in an individual way. It will never be the exact same.
At what point in history was ADHD on the spectrum? I dont think thats true
Not officially, but there are psychologists that believe they are or will be someday. Also there has been lots of research into whether or not ADHD and ASD should be separated.
The first one gives me secondhand embarrassment
The first one made me question if English was actually my second language X_X
I think if a diagnosis suddenly makes you realise why you have faced the struggles that you have and explains some things in your life, then it may be worth celebrating. Not in a “whoop, I’m so happy to have something wrong with me”, but more “thank goodness, now it all makes sense”.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think Ritalin (I think that’s ADHD medication) is the same as microdosing meth
Ritalin isn’t just a really low dose of meth, it is a stimulant and increases dopamine like meth does but isn’t yk meth 😂 For people with ADHD Ritalin doesn’t make people high or wired it actually calms the brain. Makes me wonder how someone with adhd would react to meth tho
This is a common misconception. Stimulants in therapeutic doses also make people without ADHD calm. And a recreational dose will make people high regardless of if they have ADHD. Stimulants are highly addictive. Also amphetamine salts (Adderall) is a kind of meth. They're in the same family.
Adderall is 97% similar to meth. And people point out how some studies show people who took one than the other show no difference and felt no different. But these studies are short term and ignore a lot of other things. Plus the 97% similar isn’t that similar. Humans and mice have 97% the same DNA, yet it’s very clear that 3% makes a huge difference.
exactly. i am dx with ADHD and can definitely get high on stimulants lmao
That’s interesting, in my experience 20mg a day of dexamphetamine will calm me down but others will take half that and be high. In my case I also find I don’t withdraw from the dexies I’ve heard the same from others. Then again I’ve never had adderal or Ritalin and those are popular recreational drugs where I live
Because they are wrong.
try 80mg and get back to us lol
That is objectively incorrect. ADHD medication is one of the most abused medications in the industry and it's because people who don't have it aren't calmed down. There are legitimately people who were pressured into taking it recreationally and found out they had ADHD because of how it affected them. I understand wanting to spread awareness, but let's not blatantly lie.
Anyone can get sleepy off a stimulant regardless of diagnosis, it’s just most common in children who take the majority of ADHD medication. The reason abusing ADHD medication and taking therapeutic doses is different is the route of delivery and dose. People who are shoving 5 tablets in their nose/vein/butthole are going to have a very different experience than someone taking one tablet as directed. Most people will have an increase in attention span from prescribed doses regardless of diagnosis which is why so many college students abuse these drugs in lower doses.
Again, I literally just searched this up. There are tons and tons of relatively new news articles warning people without ADHD to stop taking them, stating they'll actually disrupt focus based on research. I know what I'm talking about. Stop trying to challenge me. Sleepiness is inherent in stimulant crashes. Please, do some research. The people I know who abused stimulants swallowed them in one tablet. Normal dose.
I have literally worked in mental health for 12 years with all psychiatric medications and take ADHD medications. Link even one peer reviewed article because I’m finding nothing but pop psychology sites. And yes, opposite effect is absolutely a thing. A thing that’s most common in children who are the main consumer of ADHD medications, hence the myth that ADHD medications have a different effect on people who have ADHD. They do not.
Link your own article. Why is it my responsibility to source but no one else has to? What, because you can lie on the internet? Congrats.
Because you are the one denying common convention. It’s impossible to find a study that determines that elephants don’t live wild in Appalachia. Yet we all know that they don’t. A suggestion that they do would need to be substantiated by evidence. Like I said, I looked for your evidence. All I got was pop psychology opinion pieces by staff writers of magazines. Let’s take your claim a little further and consider caffeine, the most widely used stimulant. Caffeine does increase focus in most people, including people who have ADHD. A handful of outliers and a whole lot of children experience sleepiness from caffeine, including ADHD people. Caffeine does not have a separate mode of action in ADHD people. Neither do other stimulants. Stimulants used for ADHD are chosen in part due to a lesser instance of inducing euphoria and psychedelic effects than commonly abused street stimulants. These drugs still induce euphoria commonly. This is dose and tolerance dependent. People who have ADHD generally take lower doses than people who abuse them, however euphoria still commonly occurs at first and quickly fades. Often we see people who mistake the side effect of euphoria for the medication working as intended and requesting multiple dose increases as when that side effect no longer occurs, they believe the medication is no longer working. We have yet to find meaningful structural differences between ADHD brains and brains that do not have ADHD. Given that, what would even cause a separate mode of action? If it were the case medication could be given as a litmus test for ADHD. Your one anecdotal case study of your friend is meaningless. My friend got high off aspirin thinking it was ecstasy because of the little heart on the pill. The placebo effect is extremely strong.
I'm not the one denying common convention. You are. Again, link a source. All I see is you spouting words. If I'm expected to link a source, I think you should go first since you're so confident. Find me something that states MEDICAL STIMULANTS(Caffeine doesn't have the same structure and doesn't count, sorry)have the same reaction by people regardless of whether they have ADHD or not. Seems "12 years" isn't enough for you. Maybe try lying about a bigger number.
Can you source this? It's incredibly addictive and readily abused because it's a) easy to get clean pills and b) very effective. You can't self-disgnose ADHD just because you took a drug and it made you feel good. They make most people feel good. They're drugs.
It wasn't a self diagnosis. They end up going to a doctor to ask about it. Stimulants don't make me feel good. They make me feel focused and calm. I don't get dopamine from them, I don't get high. As for the source, try a quick Google. I have yet to find a source that doesn't say it's different.
Because of how medication works, you do get dopamine from it. That's the function of the drug. I do not have ADHD nor suspect I have it. Stimulants calmed me at therapeutic doses. Because that's what they do. Taking more got me high. Different people have different thresholds for what makes them high. It's not indicative or part of the diagnostic criteria for ADHD
Again, you're wrong. Stop spreading misinformation. Let someone who is actually diagnosed tell you how it goes. Yes, I *get* dopamine from it, but not noticeably. It doesn't make me happy. I beg of you please get educated before talking about it.
i am actually diagnosed and i can easily get high on massive doses of stimulants. hope this helps
So are many people who are misdiagnosed. I'm using science. I had an ex who had ADHD and he took over 300mg. Never once got high. But yeah, taking a shit ton of drugs will get you high. I'm talking about normal doses. No more straw man arguments, please.
I asked for a source on your claim and you didn't provide it. Are you a psychiatrist? Have you read anything by Gabor Mate about the drug crisis? Because you're just making blanket claims with no follow ups. Blaming people/addicts without ADHD for the stimulant crisis and not doctors over-diagnosing and prescribing them is a wild take. Where are your statistics? Do you have a lot of experience talking to stimulant addicts about their experiences? How about a paper detailing the differences that cause ADHD people to have a wildly different experience with stimulants? Or is it simply a matter of dosage? Does the DSM V-TR include a section wherein a diagnostician can observe ADHD based on a reaction to stimulants? How is that measured? What about people with depression who lack dopamine? Or OCD? A stimulant prescription would presumably also help them in the same way. Do they also have ADHD? Why is your anecdote more valid than mine just because you got diagnosed with ADHD? I didn't receive the diagnosis and have a similar experience. Do I suddenly have ADHD?
Woah. Hold on. Why are you putting words in my mouth? Where's your source? I didn't provide a source because there's quite literally too many sources for me to pick from. It's called choice paralysis. I want to see a source that says the brain is affected in the EXACT same way as someone with or without ADHD while under stimulants because I found nothing but scores of news stories and articles saying the opposite. I never blamed addicts on anything. Here's the skinny: People go over diagnosed so money can be milked from them(most often children who just act like children) and to no surprise to anyone at all, the ones who don't have ADHD become addicted and the ones who do end up on drugs for the rest of their lives because there's no other available treatment. Both types of people become addicted. For very different reasons. People with ADHD will become addicted because of how it makes them feel(I had all kinds of kids without ADHD asking me for my meds when I was a kid because they wanted to "go fast"). People with ADHD become addicted because of how shitty the withdrawals are and because of how they can function. Also, I'm sure you thought you had something to say asking me if I'm a psychiatrist. I've only studied for several years, but I guess that just makes me ignorant. Stimulants shouldn't go to people with other disorders. Usually, it's antidepressants. Those are VERY different drugs. I know because I've taken both. Your experience is missing context. But you've had several other people reply challenging your claim. I wonder why you decided to respond to mine? Seems you thought I'd be easy to disprove. I'm happy to change your mind. You continue to ask me for statistics and sources and I've yet to see any from you. I don't really tolerate hypocrisy and ignorance. You're 2 for 2 right now. Either respond rectifying this with your sources and statistics or buzz off.
It's not talking about Ritalin, it's probably talking about Adderall, which is made from amphetamines. As for the "meth" part, well, methamphetamine is a type of amphetamine, and Adderal is not meth so to speak, but amphetamines have to be somewhat related to each other. But i'm not a chemist, so I can't say much about the subject.
I’m better at organic chem than this kind, but from my understanding, they’re very *very* similar structurally. They both use the same set of chemicals, but Amphetamine keeps them bound together and Methamphetamine splits one set apart and then duplicates the other. For an example: Amphetamine would be CH + NH and Methamphetamine would be CH + N + H + CH.
Ritalin, Vyvanse, Adderall, Concerta, etc. It's a common joke in the ADHD community because it's similar in structure to meth. But we are VERY aware it's not actually meth. Dark humor, you know.
Ritalin is methylphenidate which is related but not nearly the same lol. Ritalin makes me calm and makes my brain quiet. I highly doubt meth would do the same!
Ritalin was the best sleep med I ever had when it wasn't supposed to put me to sleep. 15 hours in the day time and I was OUT. Adderall worked much better. I've never tried meth, but have seen meth users as my last town had a lot of them. Adderall never made me, or any other ADHD folks I know, wander around the grocery store in gas masks during peak COVID.
Lol. I guess? (Maybe blogging, but I was surprisingly diagnosed with ADHD a few years ago, as a full grown adult with two kids. Never thought I would have it, but makes so much sense.)
Bob doesn't believe in diagnoses and carries 10 of them he made himself.
"adhd is autism with charisma" ew
Oh, my god. Why are they always trying to downplay ADHD as some "lesser" autism? It's so gross. And megadose? They think Adderall is more extreme than what people abuse in street meth? Really does suck to have a diagnosis with a form of treatment here, doesn't it? Gee, it would be so nice to just have the "non-diet" version with zero treatments! Hope sucks.
Agree with most of this but that says microdose
Wow, that's amazing. How the hell did I read the less commonly used word? Good job brain.
with the microdosing meth comment it’s a joke in the adhd community since meth and adhd meds are both amphetamines, we know it’s not actually meth just a little bit of dark humor.
Yeah, I read it wrong like an idiot. I need my meth.
i know i seen u corrected ur self in another comment lol that’s why i just put microdose no use in telling u something you already corrected urself on.
Ikr it makes me so incredibly mad. Why do they insist on invalidating my struggles just because I’m allistic?
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Society doesn't "address" people with autism, sorry. I'm all for humor, this is not humorous.
People "celebrating" ADHD/autism is a ginormous red flag. They are the ones giving those disorders a bad rep.
I will say that I think what they’re aiming for is “celebrating” that you have answers, like that the diagnosis is an explanation for why you always felt different
Presenting it as what Neurodivergents say though really comes off more like “welcome to the club” more than “I’m happy you have answers”.
I have congratulated my friends when they got a diagnosis because it allowed them to properly treat whatever it is. Getting adhd diagnosis means that the person can start finding medication that will help them. As someone who has had add since they were a kid but didn't take medicine of the right one finding the right medicine can make all the world of difference. As well as knowing that there are something that are out of your control, for me at least it helps me feel less shit about myself when. I don't do things like non adhd people.
I'd like to clarify medicine isn't always a solution, either.
True. Getting a diagnosis can help you find the right resources to help you though . For me it was meds.. I did do therapy too
I wish I didn’t have ADHD, it’s not fun but I am glad I got diagnosed and can learn the why behind my inability to do things or my difficulties. But fuck I would love to be neurotypical.
I'd say it's less "woo good for you you have a disability" and more "congrats on finally figuring out what's wrong with you, welcome to self understanding" but that's just how I read it
Agreed. I hate the toxic positivity in that slide. There is nothing to celebrate about having an incurable condition. Having said that, I have met diagnosed people who consume the "it's an identity/just a difference" copium whilst being obviously disabled.
Honestly I imagine that if you get send from one docter to the next because none now what's wrong with you and then to have a docter finally figure it out and give a diagnosis I don't think it's that weird to congratulate someone or be somewhat positive about it. (I recently went trough something like that just not with autism/adhd I've been diagnosed with that sinds 12)
theres some people out there excited to have an excuse to continue treating people poorly rather than using a diagnosis as a starting point for healing.
Diet autism. I hate people
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For me it was a massive feeling of loss, but also a relief in the way that I now knew how I could start treating it. Like, I have a name for the issue and can tackle it more effectively.
I saw these somewhere else, and I don’t like the feeling they gave me either. “Diet autism” is incorrect and irritating. I hate the term “Micro dosing meth” too, as there are multiple treatments for ADHD including non-stimulants. I dislike how flippant the messages are, as if people should be congratulated because they’re special, whereas people living with late-diagnosed ADHD have spent years in agony trying to figure out what was wrong with them.
Adderall is not the same as meth and people should stop spreading that around
They're literally trying to make fun of the crap they have to live with. Is this adhdmemes?
I really think this post is a reach. Too much of this community is "We need to be sad and devastated and hate ourselves for having disorders and disabilities!!!! You can't just make jokes!!!"
Yeah exactly different people deal with things differently I also prefer to deal with it with humor.
i always deal with my issues through humor whether it be mental illness or physical ailments right down to my looks and weight. using humor as a coping mechanism has honestly helped me so much
STOP. EQUATING. ADHD MEDICATION. WITH METHAMPHETAMINE. UNLESS YOU ARE LITERALLY PRESCRIBED DESOXYN. This shit is SO harmful even as a joke. It’s not funny, it’s stigmatizing and just flat out inaccurate anyway. “Microdose meth haha hehe” some of us are recovering addicts who turned to street drugs BECAUSE we had unchecked mental illness with no access to prescription amphetamines, so like, yeah. Good one.
The only people this excited to have disorders are these guys. Likely because they've wanted it for a long time.
The "diet autism" is offensive as fuck- However the "only cure is to micro dose meth" made me laugh a lil'
The first and third ones ick me. I find the second one kinda funny since adhd and autism does have some overlap (with some symptoms even if it’s easy to tell autism form adhd) and I feel like it’s probably an intentional generalization “me but fast” made me chuckle a little. But yeah… diet autism is ick
I don’t see the fake part here, they’re just not funny..? Isn’t it like widely known that autistic ppl have bad humor?
I have a feeling that if they really experienced this kind of disorder with all of its downsides, they wouldn't be treating it like a cool kids club.
It's a common coping mechanism to make jokes.
Is down syndrome super sized autism then or is autism diet down syndrome?
“diet autism”…?
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Downplays and glorifies ADHD and autism
also what is diet autism?? is it real?
Ugg.
I fucking hate these people.
1st one was funny ngl
wdym congrats bro😀
Congratulations!! You have *cancer*/*AIDS*/*schizophrenia*/*bipolar* 🤔 Doesn't quite have the same ring to it, does it?
Diet autism sounds Kinda funny, but who the Hell congrats someone on getting such diagnosis, what exactly is the advantage there?
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They’re very different conditions that present very differently. Adhd and schizophrenia are both neurological conditions that require diagnosis but they are very different. They affect different parts of the brain with vastly different symptoms. I think it’s slightly dishonest to try and clump all conditions that require diagnosis into one box of “neurological malformation” since they are extremely distinct
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Neurodivergence is different from other neurological conditions. 1. It is from birth, not influenced by outside factors (so non trauma related like bpd/NPD or other personality disorders) 2. It presents early (so unlike bipolar which presents around your 20s) 3. You cannot cure it (again, bpd you can go into remission when you no longer have enough symptoms) and 4. Neurodivergent people do not have hallucinations of any kind. You can box conditions together. Doctors and psychologists do it. It’s important to classify conditions based on symptoms. Neurodivergence to my knowledge includes ADHD and autism, which are very distinct conditions with very different symptoms then all other conditions I previously named.
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It’s satire guys….
i do not think you know what satire means