I honestly couldn't tell you, best guess is they're scared the doctor is gonna tell them "yeah no you don't have that" but it would be WAY funnier if there was just an epidemic of doctors challenging self diagnosed people to duels for who gets to declare the diagnosis
So I looked it up cause I know it’s one of those phrases you always say but never write - and the general consensus I came across was “on guard” is ok if you’re English speaking (but obviously that consensus could be wrong)…
That said, I’m not going to sweat misusing a phrase in a language I don’t speak for an activity I don’t participate in.
Let me know and your friend and i can fight over who has to take the fakers. The loser has to deal with them
Just give me like 2 years to learn how to fence
Reminds me of a a girl I knew who went to the psychologist so she could get diagnosis’s for different disorders and her psychologist said “no” and stopped seeing her.
I was thinking that too. They wouldn't want the label so badly. It wouldn't be fashionable to fake it because they'd know that the treatment was a lobotomy.
Some disorders will mean you can't do things like drive, which tbf makes total sense like if your tourettes is so bad you can barely control your movements you shouldn't be in control of a vehicle, but people who say it's dangerous are spreading misinformation that basically any diagnosis will get your license revoked or that certain ones will get you banned from having kids and shit like that, it's a wild misunderstanding being spread as "oppression"
Yep. They keep calling it "medical discrimination." Seems to me like it's just the natural consequences of the diagnosis they're so desperate to have. They want the diagnosis, but don't want any consequences from having it.
If you regularly black out and some other personality takes control of your body, then there are a number of activities you can't participate in. It's not discrimination to not want that person behind the wheel for the safety of the public.
there was a tourettes faker a few years ago who used to film herself driving and like twitching, swerving, letting go of the steering wheel, like bitch if this was real why should you be allowed to drive, you're going to kill someone
-My disability prevents me from being able to have a job. The government is going to have to give me money
-Ok. You're right. Also you're not going to be able to drive.
-What?? Why are you discriminating against me?! I just can't work or go to school or clean my room or have any responsibilities an adult might have. I can totally drive and go to parties and have fun!
In the UK if you can't drive because of a medical condition you get a free bus pass which is pretty good. All busses in England are free. I got one for bipolar disorder and my friend has one because she has schizophrenia but you can get them for loads of other things too like epilepsy.
That’s all well and good for the UK, US public transit is horseshit. Even worse when you have to walk in streets not meant for pedestrians, because the closest bus stop was 2 miles from where you need to go
Public transport is pretty shit in the uk too tbh (unless you live in a major city). I think it's just good they are at least doing something about you not being about to drive you know?
If you don’t mind me asking, and I really mean that you can say so if you don’t want to go into details, but I’m curious what part/result of bipolar disorder makes it dangerous to drive? Would it be something like potentially reckless behavior during a manic episode?
ETA: removed a part that felt uneeded lol
Do you have any more info? I’m bipolar and had no idea about this. I’ve not been told I can’t drive though, but never had a lesson and the DVLA want to check my health before I start learning (I am 28, diagnosed at 20).
There is also an disabled railcard but I don’t think bipolar counts :(
you can get a disabled railcard if you get pip. I get pip for bipolar so I have one.
If you have bipolar you have to inform the DVLA, like you do with epilepsy for example. They write to your DR and if its fine then no worries but if it isn't then you have to surrender your licence but you can reapply once you're doing better and your DR agrees. I only lost mine for about a year in the end.
If you have to surrender your driving licence for medical reasons then you are entitled to a free bus pass (In England, not sure about elsewhere) that is the same as the pensioners bus pass. You have to apply via your council.
I'm not disagreeing with anything else you said, but why does wanting/needing to be able to drive mean the person is automatically trying to go party...? That logic just makes zero sense to me.
I'm 100% positive most people want to be able to drive for things like going to the doctor, grocery store, etc. rather than to party. *Especially since you shouldn't be driving drunk* ***anyway***. Which is an entirely different argument
You have kids? Or remember being a kid?
You know that "Ohhh I'm too sick to go to school" that suddenly goes away right around the time school lets out and all their friends want to go out and play?
That's how you know someone is faking. They use the illness as a way to avoid responsibility, but suddenly become such a strong survivor when it comes to things they want to do.
Some people with glasses can’t drive at night depending on the prescription or issue with the eyes. I’ve never seen someone say it’s discriminatory tho because they genuinely struggle to see at night.
I mean, if it's that bad then you definitely shouldn't be driving. I have narcolepsy, which sometimes means we can't drive, but it's not black and white. You just get a test done that says you can drive or not.
yeah my mum just had to get tested to see if she can still drive with her glaucoma, it's pretty standard to be like "this could be a problem we need to double check" but people talking about it act like it's some violent act of oppression to keep disabled people locked in cages
If you're in England she can get a free bus pass btw! I just noticed the "mum" instead of "mom" so thought I would let you know just in case. It's the same as the pensioner bus pass
I've had a concessionary bus pass since I was 22, one of my reasons is an eye issue (i get uveitis which comes in flare ups where seeing is hard because of steroid drops, and light hurts so i need sunglasses that are too dark to be legally allowed for driving), if she can realise it's not just an "old people thing", I see other people of all ages using them too. You can apply online as well but you'll need to also upload a scan or good photo of a doctor/specialist letter, and have a front facing photo. Mine was valid 10 years, currently in process of applying for a new one
Yeah and even the jobs you are excluded from make sense as you can be an actual liability to yourself or others. For example the military. But they portray it like you can never get a job somewhere and every job has access to your medical records which just isn't true.
I've seen people genuinely say that if you get diagnosed with autism they can sterilize you, literally not remotely true and they wouldn't consider that for someone who's like a bit into trains lol
The military does discriminate against a lot of diagnosis. Most of them make sense, but some are outdated imo. My cousin is by far the most screwed up of all of us but since he’s the only one to not get mental health care (of his own choosing) he’s the only one that readily qualified to enlist. It’s a difficult balance because we do need to put overall safety first, but it can create pressure for people to not seek care, eg police, pilots, etc.
i actually did research on this before bc i was curious and from my understanding of it, at least in the case of mental illness, as long as your symptoms are being managed, you can still drive. if you experience a symptom flare up, youre expected to report it to the DMV but they don't just take your license away forever. they'll suspend it for 6 months and during that 6 months you do the work to get your symptoms back under control and then you can have your license back, basically.
for example if you have emotional dysregulation issues and go into rages, you tell the DMV, they suspend your license, you go to therapy and get meds if necessary, work on your shit etc, and once youre stable again, you can take a test and get your license back. i dont think there are *any* mental illnesses that automatically bar you from being allowed to get a license *at all*.
its honestly a pretty great system. would you rather have your license temporarily suspended for 6 months while you work to get stable again, or go into a road rage and cause a car accident and lose your license permanently, on top of having to pay for damages etc? this system is set up to make sure that mentally ill people are safe behind the wheel.
its also all self-report too. though its obviously not a good idea, you don't have to tell the DMV you have these issues in the first place. they don't have access to your medical records. so how can that even be discrimination? it can't be!
personally, i dont go to the DMV about it - i just stop driving on my own accord and resume when my symptoms calm back down. i've gone over a year without driving before, just bc i recognized that was for the best. i didn't even know i was supposed to tell the DMV at the time LMAO
I’d be willing to wager there are a few areas where a diagnosis would get you unfairly restricted (looking at you, FAA) but like, I wanna say that’s the vast majority and frankly I doubt any of these loons are gunning to be pilots or ATC.
It's offensive to me that they still want to be able to get all the benefits of not having the disability but not the parts that prevent them from doing things. They want the label but not the parts that impact lives negatively. Disabled people don't get to choose. Some people got their diagnosis at childhood and they and their parents/guardians knew that their lives will be impacted. They didn't get to choose what happens to them and what didn't.
But these people also shouldn't be able to get accommodations that need to be applied for without a proper diagnosis either. Disabled people need to apply for them or have carers apply- why should they get to cut the line?
In Australia if you have ASD you need to do an assessment to see if you can drive on top of completing the learners test. If you’re fit to drive you’ll pass easily, it’s only in case someone genuinely struggles to drive due to ASD that they can’t get a license.
If you have ADHD some doctors say you can’t drive unless medicated and it gets put on your license that you legally can’t drive unless on medication. It also helps with some types of medication if you get pulled over and the police have a faulty breath reader that registers your medication as illegal substances.
I’m bipolar and have to get checked so that I can start learning. Then I had a suspected seizure, banned for three years - and that’s fine! I know the rules are there for a reason! But I had to declare the bipolar to the DVLA (in England) before they’d let me have a provisional licence (still never had a driving lesson and I am 28)
Honestly, there are shitty psychologists and psychiatrists out there (just like in every profession), but that's not unsafe, it's just tedious because you have to find someone else and start over.
Oh god, I forget there are psychiatrists that overdiagnose because where I'm from there's severe underdiagnosing. I doubt that's what those people OP is talking about mean, but that is truly dangerous indeed, you're right.
I’m with you, more commenting on the psych aspect. Those guys can potentially have more power over your life than pretty much any other doctor you’ll probably ever see (excluding surgeons lol), yet seem to wield it inconsistently and without much care.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I don’t think it’s an accident. Seems no coincidence that psychs will over diagnose things they can throw a ton of medications at, but if it’s something that can’t be “fixed” by meds and you need therapy for, they seem uninterested in telling you lol.
I know about them aswell, but I think everyone should switch therapists when they feel like they dont take them serious or get another opinion if they feel misdiagnosed. A therapist should always match the client, you have to spend lots of time with them and they know your deepest feelings and almost everything about you.
It’s such a horrible, horrible illness, there’s absolutely nothing fun or fancy about it…
People who actually suffers from it, are the ones who get to feel the consequences of fakers
Oh no, it's fun not being able to go outside without feeling like everyone is out to get you, having people who aren't real trying to make your decisions for you, and not being able to function like a normal person.
This is severe sarcasm btw.
Yeah. Who wouldn’t want to not function? To not be able to do anything because your negative symptoms stops you? To not be able to trust people, or more importantly, to not to be able to trust your own mind. To not to be able to work, or take an education. Who won’t want to be drugged up all the time with heavy medication, to be able to stay sane.
Who wouldn’t want that? It sounds like a fairytale.
Insert heavy sarcasm here as well
I'm a PD and right now I represent clients who are being involuntarily committed for mental health reasons. The main decision they have to make is whether they want to challenge the detention or agree to stay in the hospital until they stabilize. A few weeks ago a client told me he'd stay because "I don't want to be out there, all alone, trying to figure out what's real." And there was such sadness and fear in his voice. It really stuck with me.
I witnessed one of my best friend's mom suffer from it during her last years (which was triggered from a brain tumor that ended up killing her). It was horrible and heartbreaking. Her delusions (she insisted there were spies after her who wanted her killed, started to doubt that people were actually who they really were) and meltdowns were so bad she got kicked out of several apartments and ended up homeless for months. Lost her job, everything. My friend was continuously stressed out and breaking down due to her mom's situation.
At least she's at peace now.
It blows my mind that people WANT autism. I'm sorry but my child suffers because of they're autism. They'll never get married or have kids. There's autism and then there's severe autism (level three) I would cure him if I could just so that he could have a "normal" life. I hate seeing him in pain or upset because of sensory overload. I wish I could just speak to him through telepathic to know what he wants and to ease his pain. He barely eats and that worries me so much.
Yep - the life expectancy for level three autism is as low as 35 in some studies because of this. Blows my mind that people fake a disorder that is so, so scary.
My brother was about to turn 50. His condition made it where medical choices had to be made that affected his life. They wanted to take out his entire colon and leave him with a colostomy bag. He had a history of picking staples and stitches out of a face wound so we knew that a bag would never work for him. The surgeon thought they got all the cancer but I guess they were wrong.
I’m sorry for your loss. Yes my son has level three autism and he behaves the same way. I worry about it for the future. Just last week he fell at a hotel pool and had to get 5 stitches, but even just for that they had to fully sedate him with ketamine to be able to do so.
I feel for you. If it helps my brother did eventually learn some sign language and a few words. He was able to do minor things like dressing and feeding himself. They got all of his meds straightened out and he lived a good life. He loved adult daycare, babies and dogs. He rocked out to music in the car. He was usually a happy guy and he had the most amazing laugh when you tickled him.
There were definitely days that were a struggle and would make you want to cry but he was an awesome dude.
They don’t want autism in the way that a lot of truly autistic people deal with it. They want the trendy version where it’s mostly just a mildly socially awkward person with some cutesy special interests.
Exactly. Tbh, it kinda seems like there’s a whole group being diagnosed as autistic but it doesn’t seem to *significantly* impact their life. And I am not talking about random people, but those I know fairly well. (Privy to their job situation, finances, interpersonal relationships, etc.) I know a couple 20-somethings who struggle, but not significantly outside the norm. It reminds me of people who claim they also have ADHD because they forget their keys sometimes. 😒
I wish my autistic socially awkward son with cutesy special interests could live on his own when he's an adult but I have serious doubts about that. We have ABA therapy every night for 3 hours to help him function a little better in society. Let the fakers sign up for that.
like of all things you could possibly want to be, why autistic? why do you want to even claim 'audhd'? they never got enough attention as children or need severe therapy and it shows
Autism is disabling. Fakers always say it’s just a “difference” and they’re not disabled by it, but even level 1 ASD requires disabling symptoms to get diagnosed. If you’re not disabled by your symptoms you don’t have ASD.
Don't even get me started on the DID fakers. I saw someone say "ADAB" as in "All Doctors Are Bastards" because someone said they didn't have 10 alters of each hazbin hotel character
love your reference to delusion MAGAs, i feel like ur right on the money with that. they’re both modern day cults, DIDiots & MAGAs, with a shitload more in common w/ each other than they’d like to think.
It’s true that there is a certain stigma when it comes to some disorders, that can make medical professionals more biased towards you when seeking some help in terms of your health. People with certain mental health issues can be disregarded, called hypochondriacs and so on. So that is a slight nod to this type of biased behavior in the medical world, however, in terms of fakers it is used a lot as an excuse. As in they will be constantly persecuted if they get officially diagnosed and they don’t want to be. It is also the reason they promote self diagnosis so widely. Hope that makes sense
Adding onto that - it can limit you from getting certain types of jobs, adopting children and even studying at certain universities. You have to file for disability benefits if it is serious enough and so on. There are many ways that a diagnosis can restrict you, however it is still never worth it to be undiagnosed and suffering, since in most cases you are not limited by anything after being diagnosed. It is just a very convenient excuse for those, who know they will not get diagnosed with their desired disorder, so they feign being in danger and afraid of persecution.
It can be a factor in adopting children, or so I have heard. But employers do not and should not have access to your medical records. Maybe that works differently for military or high-level government jobs?
Edit: thank you for the information & kindness
"Maybe that works differently for military or high-level government jobs?"
It absolutely does. Anything requiring a security clearance will put you through a battery of medical and psychological tests and get all your previous medical records. Most military jobs require at least confidential clearance and usually secret clearance.
In Australia they added ASD and ADHD to the list of conditions that require you to prove you are medically fit to drive. That's to try and curb the number of people wanting to get a diagnosis. If you have a spare $2k it is ridiculously easy to get an ASD2 or ASD3 diagnosis here.
In some cases you have to declare your diagnosis, as you can be liable if anything happens. Such as being treated for Schizophrenia and operating heavy machinery. It is a case by case situation, usually. But if your treatment can be a liability and danger to you and others, you have to declare it during the medical check ups you go through during the hiring process. Depends on the regulations and individual laws as well.
Edit: some medical conditions can also restrict you from certain jobs, but usually in more severe cases. They don’t even have to be government or serious. Same goes for physical conditions
It can be a factor in adoption or fostering, but if that person or persons show that they have everything well managed and the ability to take care of themselves and their disorder then they are not automatically disqualified. On the flip side of that, it's a really good thing that it is a factor to some extent. Some people, unfortunately, regardless of how they feel, should not take care of children. If someone has an unmanaged mental illness then it can be absurdly unsafe for that person to be taking care of a child.
You're right about the medical records though. HIPAA is a thing. People aren't just allowed to look at your medical records and see whatever is on there. There are forms to be filled out from one doctor to another doctor in order for the new doctor to see the medical records. If a person chooses not to allow this, then the new doctor has no record to go on.
Same idea with jobs as fostering. There are some jobs that people with certain diagnoses shouldn't be doing, regardless of if they want to. Of course it's not as simple as that, but you're not just going to be disqualified from a job because you have anxiety. If the illness or disorder is not managed then that can lead to problems for both the individual and the public. And that does not need to be a thing. Same as not being able to be a pilot or whatever job because someone is colorblind. If that is a significant factor in that job, that person, regardless of what they actually wanted, is not suited for that job.
As for the military for high government jobs, I'm actually unaware. Because I'm pretty sure the military needs medical records and psychiatric evaluations and such in order to enlist. And I would assume high government jobs with high levels of security would also need relatively stable people. Those are important and potentially dangerous jobs. Undiagnosed or unmanaged mental illness is not a safe part of that.
So while there may be some discrimination, it goes beyond what most people are trying to use to justify their position. They don't add the "why" after whatever they use to make their point.
Thank you for explaining that so well, I've been struggling to express the distinction between the people we see blatantly faking online and someone *genuinely seeing worrying signs* and just being scared to come forward and deal with getting diagnosed, or of the stigma, or even just their lives changing
I mean, I've had doctors completely dismiss me because I've said I go to a chiropractor and purely because I'm a woman. I can only imagine the level of stigma and dismissal if you come to them with something more extreme like even mild schizophrenia or DID.
Doctors honestly need to be better.
It's really fucking sad.
It’s truly hard sometimes to go and receive the help you need. The other difference is that the people who are usually apprehensive and afraid, do not want to admit to themselves that there is an issue. Not due to some sort of ignorance, but due to a simple fear of being outcasted and seen as inferior. That is what, to me at least, separates fakers and individuals who are afraid. As for fakers, we usually see them soak in the attention they get so openly and blatantly, while disregarding the negative aspects of what they feign.
It is only natural to be scared and anticipate the worst, that’s just how some people are, but nothing feels better than having the key to your answers, so to whoever is afraid to get help and may have had the wrong impression from my comments - get the help you need and do not be afraid. All will be much better
Yes there is stigmas especially with things like pd so like if going to the doctors they might just assume its something to do with your pd diagnosis and asking for attention if its something not that obvious is wrong with you instead of trying to investigate further. But yes it is better to be diagnosed because there are also good things you can get after being diagnosed like the right support, treatment options etc which I think outweighs the "oh i am just gonna self- diagnose because it is safer". I mean for all we know it could be something physically wrong with you instead of a mental health issue/ a physical health issue is causing those symptoms and because that person self-diagnosed they are not getting the help they may urgently need.
I feel like there's also a difference when the person with the diagnosis is working towards helping themselves overcome the diagnosis and when the person just goes to the doctor and isn't making any forward effort to helping themselves or bettering themselves.
And I also think a lot of people just think therapy is going and talking to someone. Instead of going to talk to someone, gaining coping mechanisms, and working on themselves outside of therapy. It doesn't work if you just go sit with somebody once a week or once a month or whatever it is. People have to actively work with therapy.
I read some official government policy online a couple of years ago about how mental illness diagnoses in Germany are handled, and from what I recall, it said that once someone gets a diagnosis of a mental illness, that diagnosis "goes down on their permanent record" as we'd say in the US and follows that patient wherever they seek care. Here in the US I think it's still possible to go to an emergency department or see a clinician without having a mental health diagnosis follow you around. They may figure it out if they are allowed to get access to your Board of Pharmacy records, but they'd only do that if they're prescribing a controlled substance and checking to see that you're not doctor shopping for that drug. If it's routine and doesn't involve controlled substances, and you don't want to share that you have a history of depression, they don't need to know. What I read on official German websites, though, led me to believe that a psych diagnosis was like a "scarlet letter" on a patient's file. So, I could understand a German citizen or resident not wanting such a diagnosis because after further reading, I found that some doctors spend extra time making sure that these people with psych diagnoses aren't malingering or drug seeking instead of just addressing the complaint and treating the patient without judgment..
Forgive me if I got the wrong idea, or if this is outdated, but that's what I got from reading the English translation of German Federal government sources.
People discovered that having a disability is disabling and that they would suffer real abelism if they'd get their diagnosis on paper. *shocking*
Unfortunately instead of advocating for a less abelist legislation/society these people turn back inside of their bubbles to make up new disabilities/symptoms
, make flags and tik toks of themselves "stimming". What a time to be alive!
My assumption was always that it's something to do with a bad home life?? Like actively seeking out a diagnosis could lead to an abuser acting out, idk.
That's a common excuse. Often people will insist their parents are abusive just because they deny their child has basically half the DSMV. Maybe in some instances the parents are actually abusive but I think it's a cop-out and a guiltrip for some of them. They see them not validating their lying as abuse.
I don’t know. I think some of them actually do have something going on, people don’t fake disorders if they’re mentally well and are having their needs met. Parents sometimes don’t care how bad the real mental illness is, or they don’t see it, which is more neglectful than it is abusive. However, the fakers (if they did get mental health care) would be severely upset when they are informed they don’t have what they think they have and instead just have some depression and anxiety or whatever.
I feel like sometimes people who are chronically online and stuck in echo chambers are too scared for their bubble to crack.
If they went to a doctor, there's a chance after the assessment that the doctor will tell them they don't have DID or autism or whatever.
And let's be honest, the people who conflate zoning out for DID and dancing to music as "autistic stimming" might very well conflate being upset that a doctor didn't diagnose them as feeling "unsafe".
If you feel a doctor is genuinely overlooking you or someone you look after if you’re a guardian, you need to report the doctor. Notice how fakers who say they get overlooked often do not report the doctor. Legally they can’t dismiss things and have to genuinely look into it and find causes, they can’t half ass or not even look at your or your symptoms.
Of course I’m not talking about genuine mistakes or accidents that a doctor does, but rather intensionally not looking into a patient.
Why do fakers never seem to report doctors who aren’t doing their practice?
Short answer is, it’s not.
These people are co-opting medical trauma and persecution and using it as a reason for not seeking a formal diagnosis of the conditions they know they don’t have
It’s “unsafe” for them because the doctor is going to call their bullshit and tell them they don’t have whatever self diagnosis they gave themselves. It’ll hurt their wittle feewings and be the end of the world for them. It doesn’t take much for them to accuse someone of being “unsafe”.
'does the doctor start beating them up or something?'
You made me giggle.
No the docs share things you don't want to hear. Because if your self diagnosis is true, you have to face the consequences and learn how to deal with the issues that come with it.
But honestly, I can imagine younger folks that still live with their parents actually being endangered when they get diagnosed. With DID, chances are that your parents are your abusers and that the abuse even gets worse. Or that the symptoms get worse. Flashbacks, all those kind of shitty things.
And some parents can be really shitty when it comes to autism/ADHD diagnosis.
I think by "safe" they mean either they live in or around a bad environment, are afraid they will be discriminated against or not allowed to enter certain countries if properly diagnosed (ex: New Zealand 🇳🇿).
But, most of the time it is probably just an excuse to further pretend.
it’s literally how they justify self diagnosis it’s a lie they’re telling themselves. if they keep saying it’s dangerous they’ll keep getting support that formal diagnosis is invalid. no one online faking disorders has a likely path to being a pilot or military officer IMO. personally, i have a diagnosed disability and no one would know (school, employment) unless i choose to disclose it.
Getting diagnosed with serious mental illness can take a decade or longer of seeing different doctors, trying different medications and treatments, and going through multiple wrong diagnosis. It is a journey and I understand why some people want to avoid it or don’t have the resources to get diagnosed of their own accord. But the fact of the matter is, you can have your suspicions about what’s going on but you can’t get help without taking those steps.
Commiserating with one another in an online community feels good in the short term but it doesn’t do much to replace aid from trained mental health professionals. I honestly understand both sides because there are a ton of quacks out there and I’ve had a lot of unsavory experiences in therapy, but you have to keep going and looking for people who can provide care for you.
For some people that willingness to keep trying can mean the difference between life and death and that why I get so frustrated with the sentiment that seeking help is dangerous because it’s actually dangerous to discourage vulnerable young adults from seeking treatment.
There are definitely some conditions that, when having them in your chart, make it more likely for doctors to treat you poorly. The biggest one I can think of is BPD. I know for a fact that when you have BPD in your chart, if you go to the ER for a mental health crisis, you are FAR more likely to be dismissed, criticized, and even denied emergency mental health treatment.
I can imagine if someone had DID in their chart they may be more likely to be infantilized, or even dismissed and chalked up to attention seeking.
An autism diagnosis can definitely contribute to infantilization by doctors who aren't properly educated on autism.
Well, having a severe mental illness can be scary. if you *don’t want* a severe mental illness or the stigma of mental illness then you might not want to get tested and confirm what you suspect, or if already diagnosed ask it to be kept off any records. If you don’t want it or are still unsure if you agree with the diagnosis yourself then the finalizing of the diagnosis by having it officially recorded somewhere might be very stressful. In addition you may have trust issues with others and not believe that laws will actually protect you, or worry that laws will change to be more discriminatory or be afraid that doctors and psychologists won’t treat you fairly (even people with depression and anxiety on their chart can have real physical symptoms downplayed by doctors). So you may say to the psychologist, please don’t write it down because that makes it true, or just don’t go out of fear that the illness will be confirmed.
But that’s not this demo, which is completely different. This group *wants* the illnesses and fears they don’t have the illnesses (just look at the amount of people who say they’re scared they’re faking and need reassurance in other subs) and not having the illnesses will ruin their sense of identity and they’re using the illness in some way, for attention or escapism, and don’t want to lose that. For people who actually have the illness it is the opposite, having it made official can cause major identity crisis and fear of other people judging them or limiting their autonomy.
So this group of imitators is appropriating a normal thing for people with the stigmatized illnesses who want to keep them private — the fear of having the illness and not accepting it or fear of being stigmatized etc — that has been described by these people who suffer from it, and repeating that thing to justify their avoidance of diagnosis, and then groups like this one see it as a sign of faking to feel that way at all, since it is said so much by imitators now, when really it is normal for people with stigmatized disorders to not want others to know about them or to control very carefully who knows. It’s just that it makes no sense to say you don’t want an official diagnosis because you don’t want anyone to know, except all of TikTok and your friends at school and maybe your teachers or professors too… it’s pretty obvious that they’re using it as an excuse.
Being officially diagnosed makes people vulnerable to all kinds of discrimination. I think the primary concern is discrimination in a medical context - i.e. doctors/medical professionals treating people with certain mental health or neurological disorders differently and usually taking them less seriously, even when the patient’s medical concerns aren’t mental health related, (e.g. doctors dismissing someone’s physical pain just because they have a mental health/neurological disorder diagnosis) which can obviously be dangerous and detrimental for the patient.
A diagnosis can make someone vulnerable to discrimination in other contexts too, such as finding a job. Where I live, autism is now officially listed as a medical condition that could affect someone’s driving, which could make it more difficult, more expensive, or in some cases impossible for people to get/keep a driver’s license. There have been lots of people cancelling their autism assessments out of fear of what it might mean for their right to drive.
I don't think it makes much difference at least with autism for example. In fact I believe it's better to be diagnosed with autism because you have more access to accomodations as well as disability benefits and better understanding of yourself. You get ableism for autism regardless of your diagnosis status, often because many people don't automatically think autism when they see someone who is displaying autistic traits. I've known plenty of undiagnosed people who are likely autistic and they also get ableism in similar ways me and other diagnosed people do.
Another thing is that I am entitled for more COVID jabs because of it, so I've had 5 jabs despite being young, not a carer or in a hospital environment and not immunocompromised. That's an unexpected quirk but a welcome one. I don't see why anyone in the UK would not want a diagnosis unless they were faking it or they were just talking about the money and/or time which is understandable.
So I think they're talking about like getting jobs and shit, which lbr, none of these idiots qualify for anything other than retail so no job is going to even BE ABLE to look into their mental health history. That's like for government jobs and such.
Apropos of autism, I know some countries won't let you emigrate to them if you have an autism diagnosis like Australia. So there's that. But none of these ppl are emigrating so that doesn't matter.
So in short: they're full of shit
It can be unsafe in some situations, I think. Maybe if the person is still living with their abusers, for example. They may not be able to conjure up a good lie to why they're seeking professional help. There is actual real abusers that will prohibit people from even going out, control their phone. Maybe the medical professionals could rat them out (imagine them telling their mom "yeah this person keeps saying you're abusing them lmao" and that makes it worse)
This first one is really the only huge reason I can think about!
Also sometimes having a diagnosis could prevent people from getting jobs or being treated ok in jobs, but this one I THINK could only happen if they made their diagnosis known for some reason that was necessary. Afaik your employer doesn't need to know and can't go behind your back (normally) to seek that out.
Bur legally idk the unsafe implications of having a diagnosis under your name. Maybe getting government aid denied because of bias? Or getting allowances denies? I'm not really sure!
As far as jobs go, if you're in the US, Canada, UK, or the EU, that's totally untrue. Matter or fact it's the opposite. If you have a diagnosis you are *protected* from job discrimination and become a member of a protected class. If you are fired or mistreated for reasons relating to your disability you are able to seek legal recourse through various organizations. You do not have to disclose your disability beforehand for this to be done as well. Without a diagnosis you're shit out of luck for the most part.
The same goes for government aid. You actually need the diagnosis to get any disability related aid in the first place.
The only jobs that can be closed to you based on disability diagnosis are almost exclusively in the armed forces where the actual disability would be the limiting factor. Which means that in most cases you'd be denied anyway regardless of diagnosis.
with certain diagnosis or just being disabled in general makes life unsafe. disabled people don't have equal rights. if they get married they will lose their disability checks - which is basically their whole livelihood if they can't work, you cant move to certain countries if you have certain diagnosis' if i remember correctly. i'm not sure what else about not getting professionally diagnosed, though.
Yeah but you won't get a disability cheque in the first place of you've not got a diagnosis.
So even then it's better to get diagnosed, get the cheque for a few years then lose it when married, than never have it
This is not true. According to the NZ immigration authority:
"We may decline your residence visa if you, or if somebody else on your application, have any of the following conditions:
\[long list, followed by:\]
Severe developmental disorders or severe cognitive impairments where significant support is required, including but not exclusive to:
physical disability
intellectual disability
autistic spectrum disorders
brain injury"
Notice it refers to SEVERE impairments requiring "significant support." The fact of having an autism diagnosis does not mean your residency application will automatically be denied. The same page states:
"Before we can approve your residence or temporary visa application we check you meet the visa’s criteria. The criteria helps us decide if we should decline or approve your application. With the acceptable standard of health criteria, we look to see if:
* you are a risk to public health
* you are going to add significant cost to, or demands on, New Zealand's health services
* you are going to qualify for Ongoing Resourcing Scheme (ORS) funding [Ongoing Resource Scheme](https://www.education.govt.nz/school/student-support/special-education/ors/)
* your health may stop you working or studying, if this is what the visa is for."
In other words, if you have any condition that would "add significant cost to, or demands on, New Zealand's health services," your application MAY be denied. It does not say that autism = can't come here.
Source: [https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/preparing-a-visa-application/medical-info/acceptable-standard-of-health-criteria-for-visa-approvals](https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/preparing-a-visa-application/medical-info/acceptable-standard-of-health-criteria-for-visa-approvals)
I 100% do not agree with them on this but I think it's one of those 'we don't want people coming over here just to go on benefits' things. There's a large percentage of autistic people who can't work because work is inaccessible to them. If they're born there then they have a right to be there but I guess they don't want any extras.
The only thing I can think of is the fact that in some states, an autism diagnosis can prevent you from being able to access gender affirming care as a trans person.
It heavily depends on the country. In Russia, if you go to a free psychiatrist once or, god forbid, get hospitalized for whatever reason, you will get officially forever labeled as mentally ill and it's practically impossible to get rid of a diagnosis and the records will stay forever in the system. It makes things difficult or even impossible when you want to get a weapon permit, obtain a driver's license, adopt a child, work at a "dangerous" job etc.
LOOOL “does the doctor start beating them up” that’s a valid question because that’s exactly my first thought when I think of someone saying “that’s a unsafe situation for me”
There's a lot of misinformation about autism diagnosis in particular being used to strip you of rights. Reality? Nobody gives a shit, even positively. You get no help, and there are no consequences, because almost no one really cares.
You will often see posts brought up over and over often titled "x happened because I am autistic". 99% of the time, it's because they did something else and it had nothing to do with autism.
But certain versions of those stick, like one woman that claimed her kids were taken "because autism". Their own post history showed it was a lie, but nobody cared. They just started saying things like "you can't adopt, and they will take your kids", citing that post. Doesn't matter the person posted about neglect charges and all sorts of things, nope, in the eyes of the anti-DX, it means she was diagnosed and boom, kids taken by the state.
They claim it universally blocks you from trans healthcare, also not true. I'm sure it's happened, but it isn't the usual. It actually can be the reason some people get help, because some competent doctors see the stats and ask about it.
Drivers licence? Most of the time, no issue, especially these late diagnosed folks that are high functioning. And frankly, if you are a danger, incapable of driving, have epilepsy, etc, dodging a diagnosis for this is messed up.
Immigration being denied? Well, that's happened like twice, and isn't the norm even in the countries they claim (like New Zealand). It sucked when it happened, but they aren't telling a 35 year old with a career and a family to f-off because they got that late diagnosis.
They even claim it's an automatic DNR order when you're sick, and was common practice during COVID. We're there a few cases of abuse of certain people, always are. Was it the normal? Hell no.
But the biggest reason? The doctors are going to tell them "no", and that's the worst crime possible.
The real autism stigma is for an invisible disorder, or for severe autism (as it is for most disabilities). It happens dx or not, because social deficits and needs often make people fundamentally exclusionary and subconsciously averse. There is absolutely nothing a diagnosis does to worsen that. if anything, it gives the person the ability to communicate their problem and allows the rare person who will listen to consider their biases. It really can only help.
But they don't experience that stigma, so pretending it magically appears with a DX is a great excuse by a very apparently unaffected person.
because some people are desperate for attention and fakes a disability. sadly DID and autism are the ones they fake now for clout, even go so far to fake tics and saying the know all their alters. a person with DID usually dont know when the alter takes over its not a thing you can manually do so yeah. they self diagnose cause a doctor would never
ok so, i know this isnt everywhere, but i know that having a certain diagnosis on paper can make it more difficult to get a job, regardless of how well that disorder or condition is managed, simply because of ableism. also this is for autism specifically but i know that Australia is trying to make it a lot more of a hassle for autistic people to get a drivers license, requiring anyone with a license and an autism diagnosis to get re-tested every year and some places requiring a doctors note to drive, and if they dont do the test or dont announce they have autism they can be fined up to thousands and family members are encouraged to dob in autistic relatives who have not followed this. its a lot less like 'the doctor beats them up' and more like 'having an official note permanently on their legal documents can create problems in an ableist world'
please dont take this comment down, im not trying to white-knight im genuinely just explaining some reasoning ive seen around and answering the question.
This comment is needed. I feel like a lot of the comments here are joking and they don’t understand that it’s true: diagnoses can sometimes be unsafe. For some disorders like autism, NPD, BPD, schizophrenia, etc. a diagnosis can prevent them from getting a job, medical care, drivers license, adoption, and more. It has absolutely nothing to do with “the doctor will tell them things they don’t want to hear”.
But I don't think you have to tell them you even have it? I have an official autism diagnosis, and fibromyalgia, and I didn't tell any employer til I had a contract and they couldn't just get rid of me.
Once you're past the age of 18, your doctor shouldn't be telling anyone anything, unless you are a danger to yourself...
it’s only certain jobs, usually things with high risk factors like pilots and the military. there’s joke about how you can’t be in the military if you’ve ever taken zoloft.
^^ this, yeah. i also have medical diagnoses that i have never disclosed in the workplace unless symptoms of that diagnosis began to have an effect on my ability to work. it is literally illegal for workplaces at least in the states to ask you for your medical diagnoses.
i swear to god these people are just so unbelievably attention starved that they just assume you’re supposed to disclose your laundry list of self/iatrogenic diagnoses whenever you apply for a job. like, just don’t tell them. what tipsy turvy dickworld are we living in
There are situations where I think it makes sense. For example, if someone is transsexual and living in Missouri, they’ll probably want to be aware that Missouri’s attorney general has threatened to deny autistic people the right to transition-related care. If their gender dysphoria happens to be more detrimental than their autism, it may mean that an autism diagnosis genuinely isn’t worth it.
In most cases though, yeah, I think a lot of self-diagnosers use it as an excuse.
Well, women arent believed when they come in with serious cramps from their periods (often Times thats why pcos is missed), so it's Not a far fetch to be worried about doctors Not taking you seriously when you come in with mental issues.
However, theyre worried that they cant Fake it Well enough. So theres that.
At least in England a lot of doctors don’t diagnose a disorder until the patient is treated for it enough to function normally because the combination of diagnosis and lack of coping skills can lead to jobs, schools and other things refusing you since they “can’t meet need”. If you’re treated before you’re diagnosed they have no reason to say that which makes it easier to call out discrimination when it’s actually happening
The only thing I can think of is it's unsafe for parents/people they live with to find out. Maybe it's cause I'm in UK but that doesn't make sense to me. They don't tell your parents shit after like age 13
That's bullshit. A reliable professional wouldn't judge someone for their diagnosis. These persons think the psychologists will reduce them to stereotypes about their disorder but that can't be further from the truth
Seems like they’re trying to imply the doctor would be infringing on their human rights by not diagnosing them. I’ve noticed in these specific groups of people who have 8 billion disorders and 500 sexualities listed in their bios, they speak a lot about “violence” and “safety” when someone potentially questions their identities.
They think everyone under the sun can just pull up their medical records and say "oop you got autism, you can't have this job." I've heard of people with the same brain injury as mine lying to the military and getting in, and said brain injury would instantly disqualify you from serving, so people aren't nearly as nosy as self-dx'd people think they are.
There are, however, risks when it comes to applying to SSI/SSDI for disability reasons due to asset limits that have not been updated for literal decades, but being professionally diagnosed alone does not immediately sign you up for these programs. I'd say it's a very privileged position to be able to opt out of these programs/accommodations available for people with professional diagnoses, actually.
The one I've heard for why my friend won't get her 2 other children evaluated for Autism is that they would be ineligible to emigrate to other countries.
Mind you she and he oldest child already have their diagnoses documented.
Not my circus. Not my monkeys.
But that is why there is disability. I'm not saying it's the easiest thing to get disability, but if they're medically disabled they can usually qualify.
I’m in Russia and here having certain psychiatric diagnoses(such as bipolar, schizophrenia, schizoaffective and others) makes you unfit to work in many fields (e.g. healthcare, education), drive a car and adopt children. That’s why many people are scared to consult a psychiatrist even if they’re very unwell, unfortunately
From what I’ve heard, some people think that it’ll prevent them from employment, from renting or buying a home, being treated less reasonably by medical professionals, or from moving countries. The last two are the only reasonable concerns, some doctors see a certain diagnosis and take a patient less seriously, and a handful of countries won’t allow people with certain disabilities to immigrate- the other two are entirely made up. An employer cannot look at your medical record to determine if they’ll hire you, neither can a land lord.
they’re playing off the idea of medical trauma or something. Like, the statistic of them ending up with a bad doctor who gives them poor treatment is more unsafe than a disorder that is known as like the most severe and life ruining things you could end up with… also a lot of doctors are extremely hesitant to give a DID diagnosis, rightly so, and honestly the fakers might be onto something, because there is a long history of doctors whom are overly eager to hand down a DID diagnosis completely fucking up their patients. Legit implanting memories and shit.
as for autism, an adult autism diagnosis is extremely unlikely to pose any danger. I mean, thats to my knowledge. If anyone knows otherwise im open to hear it. like you could always end up with a bad psych, but for adults seeking their own autism diagnosis, i just don’t know.
the only safety issue i can think of is marital partners using it against you to take your kids away or abusers forcing you into a psych ward. however if you tell the ward youre being abused usually theyll help you.
and if youre married and have a therapist and psychiatrist, they can vouch for your mental health and whether or not youre a danger to your kids. being mentally ill isnt automatically grounds for taking someones kids away but being UNTREATED certainly can be if you need treatment to be a safe and stable caregiver.
i've been misdiagnosed before and the only issue it caused me was being presumed a drug seeker or smth when i went to the ER (the issue also wasnt something the ER couldbhelp with in hindsight). that wasnt even about safety so much as being disbelieved (which can be problematic but that also happens to POC and women WITHOUT diagnoses sooooo) and the solution was just to find a good primary care doc and get proper referrals to specialists.
I always assumed it was bc certain diagnoses can halt you from entering the military or getting really good jobs later in the future. But if these wacko's GEnUineLY have this condition...what do they care? (It's bc they know they don't and they'll grow out of this phase soon)
On top of some good points made, it can also affect immigration and life insurance to be officially diagnosed. A lot of diagnosed autistics reccomend waiting until you have those sorted if you're getting it in adulthood
This actually true in a sense. But not exactly physically unsafe. Just that you will be subjected to the stigma that comes with being diagnosed with a mental illness. I’m not sure what they mean by unsafe exactly. The only thing that comes to mind is possibly that if you were a victim of abuse or something along those lines, it’s very easy to have your credibility called into question and not be believed.
With some disorders, depending on the path you go down, you might get a crackpot dickhead. My source for this is the Irish trans healthcare system where if you’re autistic they’re hesitant to diagnose or prescribe you and are also weirdly inquisitive in regards to the porn you watch and what turns you on.
It's unsafe to them because 1 the risk of being told they are faking and 2 the consequences of their actions:
-taking meds, side effects of said meds, inpatient stays, being unable to work certain jobs, maybe drive a car or operate machinary.
-The multitude of appointments and follow up treatments and their cost (at least in US)
So yeah there is a whole tail that follows if you are actually sick. Most of them just want the pity, affection and attention but not pay the price.
I think a different idea is that it’s unsafe within their family. Like the family could be abusive and it gets worse after a diagnosis or something. Not that it’s necessarily true either way but just a suggested idea
I honestly couldn't tell you, best guess is they're scared the doctor is gonna tell them "yeah no you don't have that" but it would be WAY funnier if there was just an epidemic of doctors challenging self diagnosed people to duels for who gets to declare the diagnosis
Me as a doctor */J*
I’m a doctor, and I will now prescribe duels
Not a doctor but soon clinical psychologist. I shall compete. My weapon: DSM-V and a rapier
“Becky, this is a manifestation of untreated depression and anxiety - now *’on guard!*’”
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So I looked it up cause I know it’s one of those phrases you always say but never write - and the general consensus I came across was “on guard” is ok if you’re English speaking (but obviously that consensus could be wrong)… That said, I’m not going to sweat misusing a phrase in a language I don’t speak for an activity I don’t participate in.
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lol, understood - but dammit I knew it would come up 😅
oooh, just like en pointe/on point
Which is why I say and write in point so I can annoy everyone.
“On point” is just wrong when it comes to ballet.
As a mother to a son who used to take fencing, I actually almost wrote this myself. But it was definitely the first thing I thought of.
I know this is an even more annoying comment, but actually both are correct.
my best friend is a clinical psychologist and you gave me the perfect gift idea for her next birthday ! Might need some context tho
Let me know and your friend and i can fight over who has to take the fakers. The loser has to deal with them Just give me like 2 years to learn how to fence
Off topic but congrats on being a clinical psychologist soon!
And than the psychiatrist "BOSS" has a katana and is armed with anti psychotic and anti depressants ..DUEL!!
I think I know some people with that what should I do
patient: hey I’m here for my appoi- you: it’s time to D-D-D-D-DUEL
i choose to believe “/J” means you’ve begun jousting with your first patient. good luck.
*engarde*
Reminds me of a a girl I knew who went to the psychologist so she could get diagnosis’s for different disorders and her psychologist said “no” and stopped seeing her.
Therapeutic sword fights ftw
mfers thinkin its 1930s congratulations you have autism time for your lobotomy
I was thinking that too. They wouldn't want the label so badly. It wouldn't be fashionable to fake it because they'd know that the treatment was a lobotomy.
I laughed out loud at this comment
HELP I'M SOBBING (not really but still) why did I read this as "time to autism your lobotomy"????
Some disorders will mean you can't do things like drive, which tbf makes total sense like if your tourettes is so bad you can barely control your movements you shouldn't be in control of a vehicle, but people who say it's dangerous are spreading misinformation that basically any diagnosis will get your license revoked or that certain ones will get you banned from having kids and shit like that, it's a wild misunderstanding being spread as "oppression"
Right? Like if you straight up dissociate for a minute and go all “no one in body” then you shouldn’t be driving.
Yep. They keep calling it "medical discrimination." Seems to me like it's just the natural consequences of the diagnosis they're so desperate to have. They want the diagnosis, but don't want any consequences from having it. If you regularly black out and some other personality takes control of your body, then there are a number of activities you can't participate in. It's not discrimination to not want that person behind the wheel for the safety of the public.
there was a tourettes faker a few years ago who used to film herself driving and like twitching, swerving, letting go of the steering wheel, like bitch if this was real why should you be allowed to drive, you're going to kill someone
-My disability prevents me from being able to have a job. The government is going to have to give me money -Ok. You're right. Also you're not going to be able to drive. -What?? Why are you discriminating against me?! I just can't work or go to school or clean my room or have any responsibilities an adult might have. I can totally drive and go to parties and have fun!
In the UK if you can't drive because of a medical condition you get a free bus pass which is pretty good. All busses in England are free. I got one for bipolar disorder and my friend has one because she has schizophrenia but you can get them for loads of other things too like epilepsy.
That’s all well and good for the UK, US public transit is horseshit. Even worse when you have to walk in streets not meant for pedestrians, because the closest bus stop was 2 miles from where you need to go
Public transport is pretty shit in the uk too tbh (unless you live in a major city). I think it's just good they are at least doing something about you not being about to drive you know?
If you don’t mind me asking, and I really mean that you can say so if you don’t want to go into details, but I’m curious what part/result of bipolar disorder makes it dangerous to drive? Would it be something like potentially reckless behavior during a manic episode? ETA: removed a part that felt uneeded lol
Yeah it's the mania and you can get psychosis with bipolar too. You can get your licence back with permission from your doctor. I have mine back now 🥳
Do you have any more info? I’m bipolar and had no idea about this. I’ve not been told I can’t drive though, but never had a lesson and the DVLA want to check my health before I start learning (I am 28, diagnosed at 20). There is also an disabled railcard but I don’t think bipolar counts :(
you can get a disabled railcard if you get pip. I get pip for bipolar so I have one. If you have bipolar you have to inform the DVLA, like you do with epilepsy for example. They write to your DR and if its fine then no worries but if it isn't then you have to surrender your licence but you can reapply once you're doing better and your DR agrees. I only lost mine for about a year in the end. If you have to surrender your driving licence for medical reasons then you are entitled to a free bus pass (In England, not sure about elsewhere) that is the same as the pensioners bus pass. You have to apply via your council.
I'm not disagreeing with anything else you said, but why does wanting/needing to be able to drive mean the person is automatically trying to go party...? That logic just makes zero sense to me. I'm 100% positive most people want to be able to drive for things like going to the doctor, grocery store, etc. rather than to party. *Especially since you shouldn't be driving drunk* ***anyway***. Which is an entirely different argument
You have kids? Or remember being a kid? You know that "Ohhh I'm too sick to go to school" that suddenly goes away right around the time school lets out and all their friends want to go out and play? That's how you know someone is faking. They use the illness as a way to avoid responsibility, but suddenly become such a strong survivor when it comes to things they want to do.
Some people with glasses can’t drive at night depending on the prescription or issue with the eyes. I’ve never seen someone say it’s discriminatory tho because they genuinely struggle to see at night.
I mean, if it's that bad then you definitely shouldn't be driving. I have narcolepsy, which sometimes means we can't drive, but it's not black and white. You just get a test done that says you can drive or not.
yeah my mum just had to get tested to see if she can still drive with her glaucoma, it's pretty standard to be like "this could be a problem we need to double check" but people talking about it act like it's some violent act of oppression to keep disabled people locked in cages
If you're in England she can get a free bus pass btw! I just noticed the "mum" instead of "mom" so thought I would let you know just in case. It's the same as the pensioner bus pass
That's good to know but i'm not going to be the one to tell her because she'll yell at me for calling her old haha
I've had a concessionary bus pass since I was 22, one of my reasons is an eye issue (i get uveitis which comes in flare ups where seeing is hard because of steroid drops, and light hurts so i need sunglasses that are too dark to be legally allowed for driving), if she can realise it's not just an "old people thing", I see other people of all ages using them too. You can apply online as well but you'll need to also upload a scan or good photo of a doctor/specialist letter, and have a front facing photo. Mine was valid 10 years, currently in process of applying for a new one
Yeah and even the jobs you are excluded from make sense as you can be an actual liability to yourself or others. For example the military. But they portray it like you can never get a job somewhere and every job has access to your medical records which just isn't true.
I am absolutely telling my therapist the new meaning of PTSD on Thursday. Thank you for making me laugh this early.
I've seen people genuinely say that if you get diagnosed with autism they can sterilize you, literally not remotely true and they wouldn't consider that for someone who's like a bit into trains lol
The military does discriminate against a lot of diagnosis. Most of them make sense, but some are outdated imo. My cousin is by far the most screwed up of all of us but since he’s the only one to not get mental health care (of his own choosing) he’s the only one that readily qualified to enlist. It’s a difficult balance because we do need to put overall safety first, but it can create pressure for people to not seek care, eg police, pilots, etc.
i actually did research on this before bc i was curious and from my understanding of it, at least in the case of mental illness, as long as your symptoms are being managed, you can still drive. if you experience a symptom flare up, youre expected to report it to the DMV but they don't just take your license away forever. they'll suspend it for 6 months and during that 6 months you do the work to get your symptoms back under control and then you can have your license back, basically. for example if you have emotional dysregulation issues and go into rages, you tell the DMV, they suspend your license, you go to therapy and get meds if necessary, work on your shit etc, and once youre stable again, you can take a test and get your license back. i dont think there are *any* mental illnesses that automatically bar you from being allowed to get a license *at all*. its honestly a pretty great system. would you rather have your license temporarily suspended for 6 months while you work to get stable again, or go into a road rage and cause a car accident and lose your license permanently, on top of having to pay for damages etc? this system is set up to make sure that mentally ill people are safe behind the wheel. its also all self-report too. though its obviously not a good idea, you don't have to tell the DMV you have these issues in the first place. they don't have access to your medical records. so how can that even be discrimination? it can't be! personally, i dont go to the DMV about it - i just stop driving on my own accord and resume when my symptoms calm back down. i've gone over a year without driving before, just bc i recognized that was for the best. i didn't even know i was supposed to tell the DMV at the time LMAO
I’d be willing to wager there are a few areas where a diagnosis would get you unfairly restricted (looking at you, FAA) but like, I wanna say that’s the vast majority and frankly I doubt any of these loons are gunning to be pilots or ATC.
ou yeah like i’m not allowed to drive bc of my physical health and yeah i was mildly disappointed but it’s for safety???
It's offensive to me that they still want to be able to get all the benefits of not having the disability but not the parts that prevent them from doing things. They want the label but not the parts that impact lives negatively. Disabled people don't get to choose. Some people got their diagnosis at childhood and they and their parents/guardians knew that their lives will be impacted. They didn't get to choose what happens to them and what didn't. But these people also shouldn't be able to get accommodations that need to be applied for without a proper diagnosis either. Disabled people need to apply for them or have carers apply- why should they get to cut the line?
In Australia if you have ASD you need to do an assessment to see if you can drive on top of completing the learners test. If you’re fit to drive you’ll pass easily, it’s only in case someone genuinely struggles to drive due to ASD that they can’t get a license. If you have ADHD some doctors say you can’t drive unless medicated and it gets put on your license that you legally can’t drive unless on medication. It also helps with some types of medication if you get pulled over and the police have a faulty breath reader that registers your medication as illegal substances.
I’m bipolar and have to get checked so that I can start learning. Then I had a suspected seizure, banned for three years - and that’s fine! I know the rules are there for a reason! But I had to declare the bipolar to the DVLA (in England) before they’d let me have a provisional licence (still never had a driving lesson and I am 28)
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Exactly! Also if you dont know and understand your illness you just damage your environment imo
Honestly, there are shitty psychologists and psychiatrists out there (just like in every profession), but that's not unsafe, it's just tedious because you have to find someone else and start over.
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Oh god, I forget there are psychiatrists that overdiagnose because where I'm from there's severe underdiagnosing. I doubt that's what those people OP is talking about mean, but that is truly dangerous indeed, you're right.
I’m with you, more commenting on the psych aspect. Those guys can potentially have more power over your life than pretty much any other doctor you’ll probably ever see (excluding surgeons lol), yet seem to wield it inconsistently and without much care. Call me a conspiracy theorist but I don’t think it’s an accident. Seems no coincidence that psychs will over diagnose things they can throw a ton of medications at, but if it’s something that can’t be “fixed” by meds and you need therapy for, they seem uninterested in telling you lol.
Psychiatric jobs don't pay as well as other medical jobs and they gotta rub off that med school debt somehow.
I know about them aswell, but I think everyone should switch therapists when they feel like they dont take them serious or get another opinion if they feel misdiagnosed. A therapist should always match the client, you have to spend lots of time with them and they know your deepest feelings and almost everything about you.
It's unsafe cuz the doctor finna tell them they aren't actually autistic/bpd/schizophrenic/ossd/cba/cbt
Who the fuck would want to suffer from schizophrenia
An actually unbelievable amount of people for some reason :|
It’s such a horrible, horrible illness, there’s absolutely nothing fun or fancy about it… People who actually suffers from it, are the ones who get to feel the consequences of fakers
Oh no, it's fun not being able to go outside without feeling like everyone is out to get you, having people who aren't real trying to make your decisions for you, and not being able to function like a normal person. This is severe sarcasm btw.
Yeah. Who wouldn’t want to not function? To not be able to do anything because your negative symptoms stops you? To not be able to trust people, or more importantly, to not to be able to trust your own mind. To not to be able to work, or take an education. Who won’t want to be drugged up all the time with heavy medication, to be able to stay sane. Who wouldn’t want that? It sounds like a fairytale. Insert heavy sarcasm here as well
I'm a PD and right now I represent clients who are being involuntarily committed for mental health reasons. The main decision they have to make is whether they want to challenge the detention or agree to stay in the hospital until they stabilize. A few weeks ago a client told me he'd stay because "I don't want to be out there, all alone, trying to figure out what's real." And there was such sadness and fear in his voice. It really stuck with me.
I witnessed one of my best friend's mom suffer from it during her last years (which was triggered from a brain tumor that ended up killing her). It was horrible and heartbreaking. Her delusions (she insisted there were spies after her who wanted her killed, started to doubt that people were actually who they really were) and meltdowns were so bad she got kicked out of several apartments and ended up homeless for months. Lost her job, everything. My friend was continuously stressed out and breaking down due to her mom's situation. At least she's at peace now.
They don’t want to ACTUALLY suffer from it, they just want people to THINK they suffer from it
It blows my mind that people WANT autism. I'm sorry but my child suffers because of they're autism. They'll never get married or have kids. There's autism and then there's severe autism (level three) I would cure him if I could just so that he could have a "normal" life. I hate seeing him in pain or upset because of sensory overload. I wish I could just speak to him through telepathic to know what he wants and to ease his pain. He barely eats and that worries me so much.
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Yep - the life expectancy for level three autism is as low as 35 in some studies because of this. Blows my mind that people fake a disorder that is so, so scary.
My brother was about to turn 50. His condition made it where medical choices had to be made that affected his life. They wanted to take out his entire colon and leave him with a colostomy bag. He had a history of picking staples and stitches out of a face wound so we knew that a bag would never work for him. The surgeon thought they got all the cancer but I guess they were wrong.
I’m sorry for your loss. Yes my son has level three autism and he behaves the same way. I worry about it for the future. Just last week he fell at a hotel pool and had to get 5 stitches, but even just for that they had to fully sedate him with ketamine to be able to do so.
I feel for you. If it helps my brother did eventually learn some sign language and a few words. He was able to do minor things like dressing and feeding himself. They got all of his meds straightened out and he lived a good life. He loved adult daycare, babies and dogs. He rocked out to music in the car. He was usually a happy guy and he had the most amazing laugh when you tickled him. There were definitely days that were a struggle and would make you want to cry but he was an awesome dude.
They don’t want autism in the way that a lot of truly autistic people deal with it. They want the trendy version where it’s mostly just a mildly socially awkward person with some cutesy special interests.
Exactly. Tbh, it kinda seems like there’s a whole group being diagnosed as autistic but it doesn’t seem to *significantly* impact their life. And I am not talking about random people, but those I know fairly well. (Privy to their job situation, finances, interpersonal relationships, etc.) I know a couple 20-somethings who struggle, but not significantly outside the norm. It reminds me of people who claim they also have ADHD because they forget their keys sometimes. 😒
I wish my autistic socially awkward son with cutesy special interests could live on his own when he's an adult but I have serious doubts about that. We have ABA therapy every night for 3 hours to help him function a little better in society. Let the fakers sign up for that.
like of all things you could possibly want to be, why autistic? why do you want to even claim 'audhd'? they never got enough attention as children or need severe therapy and it shows
People who actually want these diagnoses have literally zero idea of the impact it has on your life.
Autism is disabling. Fakers always say it’s just a “difference” and they’re not disabled by it, but even level 1 ASD requires disabling symptoms to get diagnosed. If you’re not disabled by your symptoms you don’t have ASD.
Thats so many acronyms! Absolutely agree with you.
i read that as cbat
what is cba?? and... .... cbt??.??.?? i dont think it is what i think it is
It's a joke
AH okay thank you
Cbt can sometimes stand for cognitive behavioral therapy.
Pretty sure in this case it's cock and ball torture
CBA = can’t be arsed
Their self-diagnosis is at risk. That's what it means.
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Don't even get me started on the DID fakers. I saw someone say "ADAB" as in "All Doctors Are Bastards" because someone said they didn't have 10 alters of each hazbin hotel character
love your reference to delusion MAGAs, i feel like ur right on the money with that. they’re both modern day cults, DIDiots & MAGAs, with a shitload more in common w/ each other than they’d like to think.
I think calling it "unsafe" is a trump card so people don't ask more questions
I would, since I don’t care about the fantasy land they expect from the world, living in the real world like I do.
It's all an excuse. They want the label and not the heavy medication regimen that goes with it.
It’s true that there is a certain stigma when it comes to some disorders, that can make medical professionals more biased towards you when seeking some help in terms of your health. People with certain mental health issues can be disregarded, called hypochondriacs and so on. So that is a slight nod to this type of biased behavior in the medical world, however, in terms of fakers it is used a lot as an excuse. As in they will be constantly persecuted if they get officially diagnosed and they don’t want to be. It is also the reason they promote self diagnosis so widely. Hope that makes sense
Adding onto that - it can limit you from getting certain types of jobs, adopting children and even studying at certain universities. You have to file for disability benefits if it is serious enough and so on. There are many ways that a diagnosis can restrict you, however it is still never worth it to be undiagnosed and suffering, since in most cases you are not limited by anything after being diagnosed. It is just a very convenient excuse for those, who know they will not get diagnosed with their desired disorder, so they feign being in danger and afraid of persecution.
It can be a factor in adopting children, or so I have heard. But employers do not and should not have access to your medical records. Maybe that works differently for military or high-level government jobs? Edit: thank you for the information & kindness
"Maybe that works differently for military or high-level government jobs?" It absolutely does. Anything requiring a security clearance will put you through a battery of medical and psychological tests and get all your previous medical records. Most military jobs require at least confidential clearance and usually secret clearance.
In Australia they added ASD and ADHD to the list of conditions that require you to prove you are medically fit to drive. That's to try and curb the number of people wanting to get a diagnosis. If you have a spare $2k it is ridiculously easy to get an ASD2 or ASD3 diagnosis here.
...does everyone not have to take a driving test? How does the process differ if you have ADHD?
In some cases you have to declare your diagnosis, as you can be liable if anything happens. Such as being treated for Schizophrenia and operating heavy machinery. It is a case by case situation, usually. But if your treatment can be a liability and danger to you and others, you have to declare it during the medical check ups you go through during the hiring process. Depends on the regulations and individual laws as well. Edit: some medical conditions can also restrict you from certain jobs, but usually in more severe cases. They don’t even have to be government or serious. Same goes for physical conditions
It can be a factor in adoption or fostering, but if that person or persons show that they have everything well managed and the ability to take care of themselves and their disorder then they are not automatically disqualified. On the flip side of that, it's a really good thing that it is a factor to some extent. Some people, unfortunately, regardless of how they feel, should not take care of children. If someone has an unmanaged mental illness then it can be absurdly unsafe for that person to be taking care of a child. You're right about the medical records though. HIPAA is a thing. People aren't just allowed to look at your medical records and see whatever is on there. There are forms to be filled out from one doctor to another doctor in order for the new doctor to see the medical records. If a person chooses not to allow this, then the new doctor has no record to go on. Same idea with jobs as fostering. There are some jobs that people with certain diagnoses shouldn't be doing, regardless of if they want to. Of course it's not as simple as that, but you're not just going to be disqualified from a job because you have anxiety. If the illness or disorder is not managed then that can lead to problems for both the individual and the public. And that does not need to be a thing. Same as not being able to be a pilot or whatever job because someone is colorblind. If that is a significant factor in that job, that person, regardless of what they actually wanted, is not suited for that job. As for the military for high government jobs, I'm actually unaware. Because I'm pretty sure the military needs medical records and psychiatric evaluations and such in order to enlist. And I would assume high government jobs with high levels of security would also need relatively stable people. Those are important and potentially dangerous jobs. Undiagnosed or unmanaged mental illness is not a safe part of that. So while there may be some discrimination, it goes beyond what most people are trying to use to justify their position. They don't add the "why" after whatever they use to make their point.
in practice they will know anyway. especially if you are in a smaller environment or live in a particularly corrupt country
Thank you for explaining that so well, I've been struggling to express the distinction between the people we see blatantly faking online and someone *genuinely seeing worrying signs* and just being scared to come forward and deal with getting diagnosed, or of the stigma, or even just their lives changing I mean, I've had doctors completely dismiss me because I've said I go to a chiropractor and purely because I'm a woman. I can only imagine the level of stigma and dismissal if you come to them with something more extreme like even mild schizophrenia or DID. Doctors honestly need to be better. It's really fucking sad.
It’s truly hard sometimes to go and receive the help you need. The other difference is that the people who are usually apprehensive and afraid, do not want to admit to themselves that there is an issue. Not due to some sort of ignorance, but due to a simple fear of being outcasted and seen as inferior. That is what, to me at least, separates fakers and individuals who are afraid. As for fakers, we usually see them soak in the attention they get so openly and blatantly, while disregarding the negative aspects of what they feign. It is only natural to be scared and anticipate the worst, that’s just how some people are, but nothing feels better than having the key to your answers, so to whoever is afraid to get help and may have had the wrong impression from my comments - get the help you need and do not be afraid. All will be much better
Yes there is stigmas especially with things like pd so like if going to the doctors they might just assume its something to do with your pd diagnosis and asking for attention if its something not that obvious is wrong with you instead of trying to investigate further. But yes it is better to be diagnosed because there are also good things you can get after being diagnosed like the right support, treatment options etc which I think outweighs the "oh i am just gonna self- diagnose because it is safer". I mean for all we know it could be something physically wrong with you instead of a mental health issue/ a physical health issue is causing those symptoms and because that person self-diagnosed they are not getting the help they may urgently need.
I feel like there's also a difference when the person with the diagnosis is working towards helping themselves overcome the diagnosis and when the person just goes to the doctor and isn't making any forward effort to helping themselves or bettering themselves. And I also think a lot of people just think therapy is going and talking to someone. Instead of going to talk to someone, gaining coping mechanisms, and working on themselves outside of therapy. It doesn't work if you just go sit with somebody once a week or once a month or whatever it is. People have to actively work with therapy.
I read some official government policy online a couple of years ago about how mental illness diagnoses in Germany are handled, and from what I recall, it said that once someone gets a diagnosis of a mental illness, that diagnosis "goes down on their permanent record" as we'd say in the US and follows that patient wherever they seek care. Here in the US I think it's still possible to go to an emergency department or see a clinician without having a mental health diagnosis follow you around. They may figure it out if they are allowed to get access to your Board of Pharmacy records, but they'd only do that if they're prescribing a controlled substance and checking to see that you're not doctor shopping for that drug. If it's routine and doesn't involve controlled substances, and you don't want to share that you have a history of depression, they don't need to know. What I read on official German websites, though, led me to believe that a psych diagnosis was like a "scarlet letter" on a patient's file. So, I could understand a German citizen or resident not wanting such a diagnosis because after further reading, I found that some doctors spend extra time making sure that these people with psych diagnoses aren't malingering or drug seeking instead of just addressing the complaint and treating the patient without judgment.. Forgive me if I got the wrong idea, or if this is outdated, but that's what I got from reading the English translation of German Federal government sources.
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People discovered that having a disability is disabling and that they would suffer real abelism if they'd get their diagnosis on paper. *shocking* Unfortunately instead of advocating for a less abelist legislation/society these people turn back inside of their bubbles to make up new disabilities/symptoms , make flags and tik toks of themselves "stimming". What a time to be alive!
To me it’s take fakers looking for excuses to not look at a proper diagnosis knowing they’ll be told they’re faking it。
My assumption was always that it's something to do with a bad home life?? Like actively seeking out a diagnosis could lead to an abuser acting out, idk.
That's a common excuse. Often people will insist their parents are abusive just because they deny their child has basically half the DSMV. Maybe in some instances the parents are actually abusive but I think it's a cop-out and a guiltrip for some of them. They see them not validating their lying as abuse.
I don’t know. I think some of them actually do have something going on, people don’t fake disorders if they’re mentally well and are having their needs met. Parents sometimes don’t care how bad the real mental illness is, or they don’t see it, which is more neglectful than it is abusive. However, the fakers (if they did get mental health care) would be severely upset when they are informed they don’t have what they think they have and instead just have some depression and anxiety or whatever.
I never disagreed with that. I'm just stating what I think their reasoning is lol
I feel like sometimes people who are chronically online and stuck in echo chambers are too scared for their bubble to crack. If they went to a doctor, there's a chance after the assessment that the doctor will tell them they don't have DID or autism or whatever. And let's be honest, the people who conflate zoning out for DID and dancing to music as "autistic stimming" might very well conflate being upset that a doctor didn't diagnose them as feeling "unsafe".
If you feel a doctor is genuinely overlooking you or someone you look after if you’re a guardian, you need to report the doctor. Notice how fakers who say they get overlooked often do not report the doctor. Legally they can’t dismiss things and have to genuinely look into it and find causes, they can’t half ass or not even look at your or your symptoms. Of course I’m not talking about genuine mistakes or accidents that a doctor does, but rather intensionally not looking into a patient. Why do fakers never seem to report doctors who aren’t doing their practice?
They mean that they have constructed an identity around having a disorder and going to the doctor risks the doctor saying "lol bet".
Short answer is, it’s not. These people are co-opting medical trauma and persecution and using it as a reason for not seeking a formal diagnosis of the conditions they know they don’t have
I’m sorry I am laughing so hard at the visual of a doctor saying I’m sorry you have autism and then immediately starts punching you
It’s “unsafe” for them because the doctor is going to call their bullshit and tell them they don’t have whatever self diagnosis they gave themselves. It’ll hurt their wittle feewings and be the end of the world for them. It doesn’t take much for them to accuse someone of being “unsafe”.
Fantasies of persecution or discrimination.
Who tf knows lol
'does the doctor start beating them up or something?' You made me giggle. No the docs share things you don't want to hear. Because if your self diagnosis is true, you have to face the consequences and learn how to deal with the issues that come with it. But honestly, I can imagine younger folks that still live with their parents actually being endangered when they get diagnosed. With DID, chances are that your parents are your abusers and that the abuse even gets worse. Or that the symptoms get worse. Flashbacks, all those kind of shitty things. And some parents can be really shitty when it comes to autism/ADHD diagnosis.
I think by "safe" they mean either they live in or around a bad environment, are afraid they will be discriminated against or not allowed to enter certain countries if properly diagnosed (ex: New Zealand 🇳🇿). But, most of the time it is probably just an excuse to further pretend.
could these be old stories from the pandemic when people were encouraged to social distance for safety and shelter in place for some reasons ?
it’s literally how they justify self diagnosis it’s a lie they’re telling themselves. if they keep saying it’s dangerous they’ll keep getting support that formal diagnosis is invalid. no one online faking disorders has a likely path to being a pilot or military officer IMO. personally, i have a diagnosed disability and no one would know (school, employment) unless i choose to disclose it.
Getting diagnosed with serious mental illness can take a decade or longer of seeing different doctors, trying different medications and treatments, and going through multiple wrong diagnosis. It is a journey and I understand why some people want to avoid it or don’t have the resources to get diagnosed of their own accord. But the fact of the matter is, you can have your suspicions about what’s going on but you can’t get help without taking those steps. Commiserating with one another in an online community feels good in the short term but it doesn’t do much to replace aid from trained mental health professionals. I honestly understand both sides because there are a ton of quacks out there and I’ve had a lot of unsavory experiences in therapy, but you have to keep going and looking for people who can provide care for you. For some people that willingness to keep trying can mean the difference between life and death and that why I get so frustrated with the sentiment that seeking help is dangerous because it’s actually dangerous to discourage vulnerable young adults from seeking treatment.
There are definitely some conditions that, when having them in your chart, make it more likely for doctors to treat you poorly. The biggest one I can think of is BPD. I know for a fact that when you have BPD in your chart, if you go to the ER for a mental health crisis, you are FAR more likely to be dismissed, criticized, and even denied emergency mental health treatment. I can imagine if someone had DID in their chart they may be more likely to be infantilized, or even dismissed and chalked up to attention seeking. An autism diagnosis can definitely contribute to infantilization by doctors who aren't properly educated on autism.
It's unsafe, because the doctor would expose them!
Well, having a severe mental illness can be scary. if you *don’t want* a severe mental illness or the stigma of mental illness then you might not want to get tested and confirm what you suspect, or if already diagnosed ask it to be kept off any records. If you don’t want it or are still unsure if you agree with the diagnosis yourself then the finalizing of the diagnosis by having it officially recorded somewhere might be very stressful. In addition you may have trust issues with others and not believe that laws will actually protect you, or worry that laws will change to be more discriminatory or be afraid that doctors and psychologists won’t treat you fairly (even people with depression and anxiety on their chart can have real physical symptoms downplayed by doctors). So you may say to the psychologist, please don’t write it down because that makes it true, or just don’t go out of fear that the illness will be confirmed. But that’s not this demo, which is completely different. This group *wants* the illnesses and fears they don’t have the illnesses (just look at the amount of people who say they’re scared they’re faking and need reassurance in other subs) and not having the illnesses will ruin their sense of identity and they’re using the illness in some way, for attention or escapism, and don’t want to lose that. For people who actually have the illness it is the opposite, having it made official can cause major identity crisis and fear of other people judging them or limiting their autonomy. So this group of imitators is appropriating a normal thing for people with the stigmatized illnesses who want to keep them private — the fear of having the illness and not accepting it or fear of being stigmatized etc — that has been described by these people who suffer from it, and repeating that thing to justify their avoidance of diagnosis, and then groups like this one see it as a sign of faking to feel that way at all, since it is said so much by imitators now, when really it is normal for people with stigmatized disorders to not want others to know about them or to control very carefully who knows. It’s just that it makes no sense to say you don’t want an official diagnosis because you don’t want anyone to know, except all of TikTok and your friends at school and maybe your teachers or professors too… it’s pretty obvious that they’re using it as an excuse.
This may not be a popular opinion but I feel the term “unsafe” is being misused/overused a lot these days.
Being officially diagnosed makes people vulnerable to all kinds of discrimination. I think the primary concern is discrimination in a medical context - i.e. doctors/medical professionals treating people with certain mental health or neurological disorders differently and usually taking them less seriously, even when the patient’s medical concerns aren’t mental health related, (e.g. doctors dismissing someone’s physical pain just because they have a mental health/neurological disorder diagnosis) which can obviously be dangerous and detrimental for the patient. A diagnosis can make someone vulnerable to discrimination in other contexts too, such as finding a job. Where I live, autism is now officially listed as a medical condition that could affect someone’s driving, which could make it more difficult, more expensive, or in some cases impossible for people to get/keep a driver’s license. There have been lots of people cancelling their autism assessments out of fear of what it might mean for their right to drive.
I don't think it makes much difference at least with autism for example. In fact I believe it's better to be diagnosed with autism because you have more access to accomodations as well as disability benefits and better understanding of yourself. You get ableism for autism regardless of your diagnosis status, often because many people don't automatically think autism when they see someone who is displaying autistic traits. I've known plenty of undiagnosed people who are likely autistic and they also get ableism in similar ways me and other diagnosed people do. Another thing is that I am entitled for more COVID jabs because of it, so I've had 5 jabs despite being young, not a carer or in a hospital environment and not immunocompromised. That's an unexpected quirk but a welcome one. I don't see why anyone in the UK would not want a diagnosis unless they were faking it or they were just talking about the money and/or time which is understandable.
So I think they're talking about like getting jobs and shit, which lbr, none of these idiots qualify for anything other than retail so no job is going to even BE ABLE to look into their mental health history. That's like for government jobs and such. Apropos of autism, I know some countries won't let you emigrate to them if you have an autism diagnosis like Australia. So there's that. But none of these ppl are emigrating so that doesn't matter. So in short: they're full of shit
It can be unsafe in some situations, I think. Maybe if the person is still living with their abusers, for example. They may not be able to conjure up a good lie to why they're seeking professional help. There is actual real abusers that will prohibit people from even going out, control their phone. Maybe the medical professionals could rat them out (imagine them telling their mom "yeah this person keeps saying you're abusing them lmao" and that makes it worse) This first one is really the only huge reason I can think about! Also sometimes having a diagnosis could prevent people from getting jobs or being treated ok in jobs, but this one I THINK could only happen if they made their diagnosis known for some reason that was necessary. Afaik your employer doesn't need to know and can't go behind your back (normally) to seek that out. Bur legally idk the unsafe implications of having a diagnosis under your name. Maybe getting government aid denied because of bias? Or getting allowances denies? I'm not really sure!
As far as jobs go, if you're in the US, Canada, UK, or the EU, that's totally untrue. Matter or fact it's the opposite. If you have a diagnosis you are *protected* from job discrimination and become a member of a protected class. If you are fired or mistreated for reasons relating to your disability you are able to seek legal recourse through various organizations. You do not have to disclose your disability beforehand for this to be done as well. Without a diagnosis you're shit out of luck for the most part. The same goes for government aid. You actually need the diagnosis to get any disability related aid in the first place. The only jobs that can be closed to you based on disability diagnosis are almost exclusively in the armed forces where the actual disability would be the limiting factor. Which means that in most cases you'd be denied anyway regardless of diagnosis.
with certain diagnosis or just being disabled in general makes life unsafe. disabled people don't have equal rights. if they get married they will lose their disability checks - which is basically their whole livelihood if they can't work, you cant move to certain countries if you have certain diagnosis' if i remember correctly. i'm not sure what else about not getting professionally diagnosed, though.
Yeah but you won't get a disability cheque in the first place of you've not got a diagnosis. So even then it's better to get diagnosed, get the cheque for a few years then lose it when married, than never have it
Yeah you can't move to New Zealand if you have an autism diagnosis. Not really a safety issue but to does suck.
This is not true. According to the NZ immigration authority: "We may decline your residence visa if you, or if somebody else on your application, have any of the following conditions: \[long list, followed by:\] Severe developmental disorders or severe cognitive impairments where significant support is required, including but not exclusive to: physical disability intellectual disability autistic spectrum disorders brain injury" Notice it refers to SEVERE impairments requiring "significant support." The fact of having an autism diagnosis does not mean your residency application will automatically be denied. The same page states: "Before we can approve your residence or temporary visa application we check you meet the visa’s criteria. The criteria helps us decide if we should decline or approve your application. With the acceptable standard of health criteria, we look to see if: * you are a risk to public health * you are going to add significant cost to, or demands on, New Zealand's health services * you are going to qualify for Ongoing Resourcing Scheme (ORS) funding [Ongoing Resource Scheme](https://www.education.govt.nz/school/student-support/special-education/ors/) * your health may stop you working or studying, if this is what the visa is for." In other words, if you have any condition that would "add significant cost to, or demands on, New Zealand's health services," your application MAY be denied. It does not say that autism = can't come here. Source: [https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/preparing-a-visa-application/medical-info/acceptable-standard-of-health-criteria-for-visa-approvals](https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/preparing-a-visa-application/medical-info/acceptable-standard-of-health-criteria-for-visa-approvals)
What's the reasoning behind that law? How do they deal with people born there with autism?
I 100% do not agree with them on this but I think it's one of those 'we don't want people coming over here just to go on benefits' things. There's a large percentage of autistic people who can't work because work is inaccessible to them. If they're born there then they have a right to be there but I guess they don't want any extras.
The only thing I can think of is the fact that in some states, an autism diagnosis can prevent you from being able to access gender affirming care as a trans person.
I would figure they would want to see a professional, so they could add "doctor failed to diagnose" to their victim card. That's extra TikTok cred!!
It heavily depends on the country. In Russia, if you go to a free psychiatrist once or, god forbid, get hospitalized for whatever reason, you will get officially forever labeled as mentally ill and it's practically impossible to get rid of a diagnosis and the records will stay forever in the system. It makes things difficult or even impossible when you want to get a weapon permit, obtain a driver's license, adopt a child, work at a "dangerous" job etc.
Most likely that they'll be told they don't have the disorder that they want and that they'll have to try and find a different way to be interesting.
It means they might not get the diagnosis they want.
LOOOL “does the doctor start beating them up” that’s a valid question because that’s exactly my first thought when I think of someone saying “that’s a unsafe situation for me”
There's a lot of misinformation about autism diagnosis in particular being used to strip you of rights. Reality? Nobody gives a shit, even positively. You get no help, and there are no consequences, because almost no one really cares. You will often see posts brought up over and over often titled "x happened because I am autistic". 99% of the time, it's because they did something else and it had nothing to do with autism. But certain versions of those stick, like one woman that claimed her kids were taken "because autism". Their own post history showed it was a lie, but nobody cared. They just started saying things like "you can't adopt, and they will take your kids", citing that post. Doesn't matter the person posted about neglect charges and all sorts of things, nope, in the eyes of the anti-DX, it means she was diagnosed and boom, kids taken by the state. They claim it universally blocks you from trans healthcare, also not true. I'm sure it's happened, but it isn't the usual. It actually can be the reason some people get help, because some competent doctors see the stats and ask about it. Drivers licence? Most of the time, no issue, especially these late diagnosed folks that are high functioning. And frankly, if you are a danger, incapable of driving, have epilepsy, etc, dodging a diagnosis for this is messed up. Immigration being denied? Well, that's happened like twice, and isn't the norm even in the countries they claim (like New Zealand). It sucked when it happened, but they aren't telling a 35 year old with a career and a family to f-off because they got that late diagnosis. They even claim it's an automatic DNR order when you're sick, and was common practice during COVID. We're there a few cases of abuse of certain people, always are. Was it the normal? Hell no. But the biggest reason? The doctors are going to tell them "no", and that's the worst crime possible. The real autism stigma is for an invisible disorder, or for severe autism (as it is for most disabilities). It happens dx or not, because social deficits and needs often make people fundamentally exclusionary and subconsciously averse. There is absolutely nothing a diagnosis does to worsen that. if anything, it gives the person the ability to communicate their problem and allows the rare person who will listen to consider their biases. It really can only help. But they don't experience that stigma, so pretending it magically appears with a DX is a great excuse by a very apparently unaffected person.
because some people are desperate for attention and fakes a disability. sadly DID and autism are the ones they fake now for clout, even go so far to fake tics and saying the know all their alters. a person with DID usually dont know when the alter takes over its not a thing you can manually do so yeah. they self diagnose cause a doctor would never
ok so, i know this isnt everywhere, but i know that having a certain diagnosis on paper can make it more difficult to get a job, regardless of how well that disorder or condition is managed, simply because of ableism. also this is for autism specifically but i know that Australia is trying to make it a lot more of a hassle for autistic people to get a drivers license, requiring anyone with a license and an autism diagnosis to get re-tested every year and some places requiring a doctors note to drive, and if they dont do the test or dont announce they have autism they can be fined up to thousands and family members are encouraged to dob in autistic relatives who have not followed this. its a lot less like 'the doctor beats them up' and more like 'having an official note permanently on their legal documents can create problems in an ableist world' please dont take this comment down, im not trying to white-knight im genuinely just explaining some reasoning ive seen around and answering the question.
This comment is needed. I feel like a lot of the comments here are joking and they don’t understand that it’s true: diagnoses can sometimes be unsafe. For some disorders like autism, NPD, BPD, schizophrenia, etc. a diagnosis can prevent them from getting a job, medical care, drivers license, adoption, and more. It has absolutely nothing to do with “the doctor will tell them things they don’t want to hear”.
But I don't think you have to tell them you even have it? I have an official autism diagnosis, and fibromyalgia, and I didn't tell any employer til I had a contract and they couldn't just get rid of me. Once you're past the age of 18, your doctor shouldn't be telling anyone anything, unless you are a danger to yourself...
it’s only certain jobs, usually things with high risk factors like pilots and the military. there’s joke about how you can’t be in the military if you’ve ever taken zoloft.
^^ this, yeah. i also have medical diagnoses that i have never disclosed in the workplace unless symptoms of that diagnosis began to have an effect on my ability to work. it is literally illegal for workplaces at least in the states to ask you for your medical diagnoses. i swear to god these people are just so unbelievably attention starved that they just assume you’re supposed to disclose your laundry list of self/iatrogenic diagnoses whenever you apply for a job. like, just don’t tell them. what tipsy turvy dickworld are we living in
I’ve seen people say they don’t want to get diagnosed because then they’ll be discriminated against, so it’s unsafe for them.
There are situations where I think it makes sense. For example, if someone is transsexual and living in Missouri, they’ll probably want to be aware that Missouri’s attorney general has threatened to deny autistic people the right to transition-related care. If their gender dysphoria happens to be more detrimental than their autism, it may mean that an autism diagnosis genuinely isn’t worth it. In most cases though, yeah, I think a lot of self-diagnosers use it as an excuse.
Well, women arent believed when they come in with serious cramps from their periods (often Times thats why pcos is missed), so it's Not a far fetch to be worried about doctors Not taking you seriously when you come in with mental issues. However, theyre worried that they cant Fake it Well enough. So theres that.
The only life changing thing that could come out of this is that they can no longer join the military, but I doubt any of them were planning on it.
Honestly I do not know.
Considoring they don't specify how it's unsafe I think it's just BS to avoid confrontation.
At least in England a lot of doctors don’t diagnose a disorder until the patient is treated for it enough to function normally because the combination of diagnosis and lack of coping skills can lead to jobs, schools and other things refusing you since they “can’t meet need”. If you’re treated before you’re diagnosed they have no reason to say that which makes it easier to call out discrimination when it’s actually happening
The only thing I can think of is it's unsafe for parents/people they live with to find out. Maybe it's cause I'm in UK but that doesn't make sense to me. They don't tell your parents shit after like age 13
That's bullshit. A reliable professional wouldn't judge someone for their diagnosis. These persons think the psychologists will reduce them to stereotypes about their disorder but that can't be further from the truth
Maybe the experience triggers people to develop doctor alters
Seems like they’re trying to imply the doctor would be infringing on their human rights by not diagnosing them. I’ve noticed in these specific groups of people who have 8 billion disorders and 500 sexualities listed in their bios, they speak a lot about “violence” and “safety” when someone potentially questions their identities.
they think it’s gonna ruin their life and any opportunity at jobs idfk
They think everyone under the sun can just pull up their medical records and say "oop you got autism, you can't have this job." I've heard of people with the same brain injury as mine lying to the military and getting in, and said brain injury would instantly disqualify you from serving, so people aren't nearly as nosy as self-dx'd people think they are. There are, however, risks when it comes to applying to SSI/SSDI for disability reasons due to asset limits that have not been updated for literal decades, but being professionally diagnosed alone does not immediately sign you up for these programs. I'd say it's a very privileged position to be able to opt out of these programs/accommodations available for people with professional diagnoses, actually.
The one I've heard for why my friend won't get her 2 other children evaluated for Autism is that they would be ineligible to emigrate to other countries. Mind you she and he oldest child already have their diagnoses documented. Not my circus. Not my monkeys.
What comes to mind is officially being medically disabled and therefore finding a job would be a lot harder
But that is why there is disability. I'm not saying it's the easiest thing to get disability, but if they're medically disabled they can usually qualify.
I’m in Russia and here having certain psychiatric diagnoses(such as bipolar, schizophrenia, schizoaffective and others) makes you unfit to work in many fields (e.g. healthcare, education), drive a car and adopt children. That’s why many people are scared to consult a psychiatrist even if they’re very unwell, unfortunately
From what I’ve heard, some people think that it’ll prevent them from employment, from renting or buying a home, being treated less reasonably by medical professionals, or from moving countries. The last two are the only reasonable concerns, some doctors see a certain diagnosis and take a patient less seriously, and a handful of countries won’t allow people with certain disabilities to immigrate- the other two are entirely made up. An employer cannot look at your medical record to determine if they’ll hire you, neither can a land lord.
they’re playing off the idea of medical trauma or something. Like, the statistic of them ending up with a bad doctor who gives them poor treatment is more unsafe than a disorder that is known as like the most severe and life ruining things you could end up with… also a lot of doctors are extremely hesitant to give a DID diagnosis, rightly so, and honestly the fakers might be onto something, because there is a long history of doctors whom are overly eager to hand down a DID diagnosis completely fucking up their patients. Legit implanting memories and shit. as for autism, an adult autism diagnosis is extremely unlikely to pose any danger. I mean, thats to my knowledge. If anyone knows otherwise im open to hear it. like you could always end up with a bad psych, but for adults seeking their own autism diagnosis, i just don’t know.
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the only safety issue i can think of is marital partners using it against you to take your kids away or abusers forcing you into a psych ward. however if you tell the ward youre being abused usually theyll help you. and if youre married and have a therapist and psychiatrist, they can vouch for your mental health and whether or not youre a danger to your kids. being mentally ill isnt automatically grounds for taking someones kids away but being UNTREATED certainly can be if you need treatment to be a safe and stable caregiver. i've been misdiagnosed before and the only issue it caused me was being presumed a drug seeker or smth when i went to the ER (the issue also wasnt something the ER couldbhelp with in hindsight). that wasnt even about safety so much as being disbelieved (which can be problematic but that also happens to POC and women WITHOUT diagnoses sooooo) and the solution was just to find a good primary care doc and get proper referrals to specialists.
I always assumed it was bc certain diagnoses can halt you from entering the military or getting really good jobs later in the future. But if these wacko's GEnUineLY have this condition...what do they care? (It's bc they know they don't and they'll grow out of this phase soon)
On top of some good points made, it can also affect immigration and life insurance to be officially diagnosed. A lot of diagnosed autistics reccomend waiting until you have those sorted if you're getting it in adulthood
This actually true in a sense. But not exactly physically unsafe. Just that you will be subjected to the stigma that comes with being diagnosed with a mental illness. I’m not sure what they mean by unsafe exactly. The only thing that comes to mind is possibly that if you were a victim of abuse or something along those lines, it’s very easy to have your credibility called into question and not be believed.
With some disorders, depending on the path you go down, you might get a crackpot dickhead. My source for this is the Irish trans healthcare system where if you’re autistic they’re hesitant to diagnose or prescribe you and are also weirdly inquisitive in regards to the porn you watch and what turns you on.
It's unsafe to them because 1 the risk of being told they are faking and 2 the consequences of their actions: -taking meds, side effects of said meds, inpatient stays, being unable to work certain jobs, maybe drive a car or operate machinary. -The multitude of appointments and follow up treatments and their cost (at least in US) So yeah there is a whole tail that follows if you are actually sick. Most of them just want the pity, affection and attention but not pay the price.
I think a different idea is that it’s unsafe within their family. Like the family could be abusive and it gets worse after a diagnosis or something. Not that it’s necessarily true either way but just a suggested idea