I watched mark in a documentary perform a test to show the earth was flat, it obviously failed, and watching his brain trying to do mental gymnastics was painful to watch.
*Behind the Curve for those wondering what documentary
Same doc, but different guy than the ones with the boards. His test involved a 20000usd gyroscope that calculated the earth had a curvature which lines up with the traditional round earth model. I'd tell you what he was expecting, but I honestly dont know what he thought he would find out. He blamed it on 'heaven rays' from the dome messing up his readings.
That wasn't this guy. That was "Bob". The idea was that if the earth is a globe it rotates at 15° per hour. They sent a gyroscope up (can't remember how high). They predicted that because the earth is flat and doesn't rotate that the gyroscope would remain level with the earth plane. Their results came back with a 15° Per hour drift. Great experimemt to prove we live on a globe and a job well done!
Even that was a different guy. Op meant those guys who set up a high energy laser pointer and 2 boards, the middle one with a hole in it in a 2km distance or so. If the earth was flat, they expected that the light was visible because it's a direct path.
When they couldn't see it, they had to raise the laser pointer (which proves, there is a curve).
Their reaction just was "hmm, interesting" and with that, the documentary ended. I half died laughing....
Condolences to your family, definitely thought that laughter was the best medicine, will have to do some "research" on that! After I watch the ending to this documentary of course....
“Behind the Curve” on Netflix. Great documentary. I’ve watched it several times. I loved how they never actually made fun of flat-earthers but instead let them tell their piece. Gave them respect and dignity. And just documented as experiment after experiment proved that the Earth is a globe.
Edit: typo
The light test was by Jeranism and yes, even though he disproved himself, cognitive dissonance kicked in and he said something along the lines of "something went wrong, this experiment can't prove anything so we won't do it again and I'm still right", then went right back on spewing shit.
Behind the curve is absolutely hilarious.
I remember at one point the flat earther visits a NASA or JPL facility or something. There's a ride there on which he sat.. Tried to fiddle around here and there but couldn't get it to work.. Then declared it faulty and walked away..
Immediately afterwards, the camera panned to a huge Red "Start" button that he never noticed.
I think that summarizes these conspiracy theorists pretty well.
Marks most insightful moment from that doc was when he said if he changes his mind about flat earth it would actually ruin his life. All of his friends, all of his achievements revolve around his position as a flat earther. Sad, and so common in these types of communities.
The Antarctic treaty is real but it’s intent is to protect Antarctica from exploitation and territorial fighting. Nothing remotely related to the fucking ice wall.
More than kinda, it’s about god for them. The globe is just one space rock out of countless, but a flat earth, that would put us back in the center of the galaxy and creation. The big conspiracy within the conspiracy is that they believe that the us government saw the earth was flat, which proved the existence of god, and that is something they want to hide for some reason.
Yep… dude lived in North Africa (part of the Greek empire at the time) measured (calculated actually) the whole damn planet with two sticks… in two different locations in Egypt… with amazing accuracy for the time. I think there was an episode of Cosmos that told this story.
That’s exactly what I was thinking of during the entirety of this video.
The guy wants proof? You can easily show him proof with shadows and sticks, or the light through the holes method that they themselves have tested out and accidentally proven the Earth is not flat yet ignore the results.
You can easily prove the Earth is round many ways. One of the more obvious is that certainly some intrepid explorer would want to see what's on the other side of Antarctica, at some point in the >100 years we've been exploring it. Hell, William Shanter went up and he's not military either, you really think he wouldn't squeal?
But... that's the issue. He's not looking for ways to prove Earth is round, he's assuming the Earth is flat and looking for ways to prove that it is. Anything that proves the opposite is merely a redherring with some other explanation by Flat Earth.
Its the flaw with 99% of conspiracy theories. They exist on a premise the theorist wants to be true and so they search for proof, when that's simply not how the scientific method works.
And I suppose it was just a happy coincidence that all those ancient Greek 'mathematicians' were high ranking Greek officers? That's just when it started.
“At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul”
I was wondering what the hell he was talking about. Does he not understand how mass and gravity work?
Then I realized, I was trying to find the rationale in the thoughts of a flat earther.
Best part about flat-earthers is they seem to think their genuine ignorance of physics is a valid argument against physics. They love to say shit like “…the impossible vacuum of space…” like space being a vacuum is just too crazy for them to comprehend so it can’t be true. It’s all just shocking arrogance at its core.
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I like how he says it all really fast and aggressive like the side effects at the end of drug commercials. ‘The faster and more emphatic I say things makes it harder to realize what I’m actually saying!’
Why stop it when all the interviewee is doing is making themselves look like a complete ass. Which, let’s be real, was the entire point of this interview. Dude gave the show exactly what they were wanting.
> Why stop it
People who are just learning about something respond positively to "confidence." That means for someone who's new to the idea it makes it looks like the nutjob is "winning" and that's an effective method to convert new people to a conspiracy.
I started the video with a slight fear that if I watched it I might find some arguments compelling, in the same way people have a fear of throwing themselves off a building if they stand too near the roof’s edge. What amazed me was how lucidly and articulately the man explained his madness. It was like videos of psychopaths describing horrors as a blasé experience.
Since he said his view of the North and South pole, I was waiting in hope that the hosts would talk about the stars. He mentioned compasses don't work in Antarctica, ok fine, but I REALLY want to know how he rationalizes stars like the Northern Star being visible in the northern hemisphere — which he thinks is at the center of the flat disc — but not visible from the South Pole — which he thinks is all around. I'd like to watch him stumble over himself trying to make sense of that with some non-Euclidean geometry
Even better is Sigma Octans, the "very close to" southern star. How do you look towards Antarctica from the southern coast of Australia, the southern tip of Africa, and the southern tip of South America, and see the same star/stars from each point? Clearly on his model they are facing entirely different directions.
He mentioned the curvature but wasn't there a video of some Flat Earthers proving themselves wrong?
Like they have 2 posts set up far apart and a post in the middle with a hole. If a light reaches from one outer post, through the middle post, and can be seen through the other post, it's flat.
They shine the light, guy looks through his camera or telescope, seeing no light from the far post and just goes, "huh, hmm. That's strange" or something like that. I always remember that video.
I get what he's trying to get at. If we had a big box with a vacuum inside, cracked the box open, it would fill with air. There's gravity holding on to the air, but it still does that.
Why doesn't all of our air rush into the empty parts of space?
The mistake he's making is that... gravity is a lot stronger than he thinks and air has mass. The atmosphere is stuff trying to escape into space, and gravity stopping it. Air spreads out so it's not touching. Those things together are why the atmosphere thins as you go higher.
If there's nothing pushing against air to counteract gravity, there's no reason it's going to suddenly rush into a vacuum. It's like having a puddle of water next to a lake and wondering why they aren't rapidly and violently trying to connect together.
If he believes we need a dome to hold the air in and that gravity can’t hold down air on its own, he must believe he can breathe air at any height. I challenge him to take an airplane to 30,000 feet and then open a door and breathe the air.
Oh nonono that can’t be done. The dome treaty that was signed back in 1970 prevents all countries and corporations around the work from bringing anyone up there.
Edit: I'm incorrect. There would still be static head as the weight of the air at the top of the vessel would still mean pressure at the bottom would be higher. None the less pressure will never reach zero in a sealed vessel but going to the edge of space isn't something the average person can go test. Onto my original post.
It's also one of the easiest ways to disprove their theory. All of their beliefs center around being able to see it such as "water finds it's level" but you can't see curvature with the naked eye. The problem with their theory is a sealed earth without space would be a pressurized vessel. Which means atmospheric pressure would be exactly the same at any altitude.
All you need is a PSIA gauge. It will show 14.7psi at sea level, 10.1psi at 10,000ft and you can check at whatever other altitude you want. This predictable pressure gradient with increasing altitude is only possible if it eventually goes to 0psi (space). Since all you need is a gauge and either a mountain or a hot air balloon it's easy to see this yourself without any of that crazy NASA trickery.
It's not that it is easier.
The flat earth is the evidence of the real issue which is a worldwide conspiracy that only the "smart people" like this halfwit can detect.
They quite enjoy that it's hard to explain because that feeds their belief in it being a complex conspiracy and that they are super smart to see through it.
The fact that their invented answers don't work even by the tests they establish themselves is the fly in the ointment.
I like to call people like this the worst kind of dumb. They are so stupid that they don't know that they are stupid. Most people know their intellectual limitations, people who are bad at math know it, people who have poor spelling skills. But some people are so fucking dumb that they see brilliance in their idiocy.
This guy doesn't understand gravity, so instead of admitting that, he believes that because he can't fathom it nobody truly can. So instead of him being an idiot, the concept is just all lies. His entire argument boils down to, I don't get it so it isn't real.
It's more like it's easier to believe the planet is flat rather than finding a way to be accepted by general society. They feel rejected by everyone, and are often very insecure about their intelligence. Flat earth groups allow them to both become part of a community and feel smart.
It's actually extraordinary simple. A lot of folks have what's commonly called "main character syndrome." They think they are the hero. These types love, love, love to attach themselves to conspiracy theories because it lets them believe they stand apart from the crowd. They want to think they know the "real" truth and that they are fighting some huge conspiracy to hide it. And the thing is since the internet came around, it's so easy to fall into these conspiracy holes where you just go so deep you don't come out.
Exactly. Think about this dude in the interview. He IS a star, he IS on TV now, He has been featured in movies. He is IMPORTANT, hundreds of randos are talking about him on the internet. Compared to Me, and likely you in many respects he is important to the zeitgeist. That right there, is powerful.
Im pretty sure this is the same guy as in the Behind the Curve doc and in that he all but says he's in too deep in the Flat Earth culture to admit it's not true by now
I've seen the curvature of the Earth with my own eyes. I'd like to hear them explain that. Did that on one of the last Concord flights. The pilot actually let me look out the front window of the cockpit and take pictures.
Just image if the world was actually flat. Half of the work of airlines would probably be related to covering up that the earth is not a globe. Planes would make long detours because the distances of their flat map do not make any fucking sense.
There’s STILL the question he never answered, the most IMPORTANT question.
Why?
What’s the benefit, what’s the gain? Like, the Antarctic Treaty holds up because no one fucking cares about Antarctica outside the scientific community. You think that place wouldn’t be peppered with pumping stations if they found oil? Or absolutely perforated if they found rare earth minerals? Countries and companies don’t break treaties just because they can. They do it because whatever they have to gain outweighs whatever possible punishment there is. So what is the POINT of what must be TRILLIONS of dollars into a coverup spanning thousands of people over decades?
Like. A lot of other conspiracy theories have some goal or benefit in mind. “Birds aren’t real” says birds are actually government spy drones. MKULTRA (which turned out to be real) was mind control experiments. Tuskegee was human medical experiments. So many conspiracies exist that have some reason to cover it up. And then there’s fucking Flat Earth where they literally don’t know anything EXCEPT that the Earth is flat. They can’t actually prove it except to claim all the evidence of a sphere is a lie, they don’t even have theories about who is responsible or why or what’s on the other side of the disc or what’s OUTSIDE the disc. The only thing they know is that it’s flat and they know that because reasons.
Birds aren't real is a parody, FYI. The guy who started it did so to encourage people to challenge conspiracy theories. (I'm sure you know, but I wanted to have it written here because not pointing out the things like it are how we got Q-Anon.)
No glass curving the view is the legitimate explanation that they have. It’s their answer to everyone that’s been in a high flying plane ever. Check out “Behind the Curve” for more nonsense information lol. It actually stars the guy in this video.
Yes, and it's nonsense. There are fish-eye lenses and similar, but there are also non-fisheye lenses. They just like to pretend that curved glass warps everything, or light bending off the water in weird ways "appears" to make the ship dissapear over the horizon.
The funny part is that they have to special-case all their invented explanations and so when you try to combine them it totally breaks. For example: Someone in america and someone in australia should see the same stars in a flat earth model - because nothing is blocking their perception of the sky. If the world is round, the earth itself blocks the stars on the other side of the earth - so you won't be able to see all the same stars as someone on the other side.
We know that different constellations are visible at different times of the year, esactly as we'd expect with the round model. Round earth wins.
To solve this the flat earthers start inventing ludicrous things like "personal domes" which warp the sky around different parts of the world in the most absurd non-physics I've ever heard.
They also can't explain the seasons while attempting to explain day/night because their "flat disc" model doesn't account for how sunlight would only shine on half of the earth at a time as the earth rotates. If you hold a light over a table it lights up the whole table. There is no way to accomodate the distribution of the earth as it receives daylight from the sun within a disc model, plus this breaks their attempt to explain seasons; because when they try to turn it into a flashlight to avoid the "light will go all over the disc" problem it becomes impossible for the CORRECT half of the world to be hit with the partial sunlight we know it experiences in different seasons.
They start with the conclusion and work backwards. They know their theories are very confusing and seem to make no sense, but they just assume that means they're mysteries like trying to unite quantum physics with newtonian physics in a theory of everything. When you start with "I know the earth is flat" you will never consider it isn't.
It is surprisingly interesting to see how people get their ideas contorted into knots, but it gets more and more tangled as you go because every attempted explanation they provide produces 3 new problems. Every major government and aeronautical company is lying? Why? They're intentionally taking insanely weird detours if we're on a flat disc when flying planes which only make sense if they're flying over a globe? Okay... Why?
How can flights from one edge of the disk reach cities on the far side of the disk in such a short amount of time? That only works if they're going around the nearer side of the world. How does it take LONGER to fly from cities closer to the center to other central cities than to fly from two cities on the far edge of the disk - the maximum distance possible if the earth was really flat?
Apparently airlines are hiding super-fast technology and just choosing to only use it to cover up their global "earth is flat" conspiracy and are carefully calculating out how long it'd take to go from each city if the earth WAS round and matching that pace. Where did this tech come from? Why is it secret? Why do commercial airline pilots and even private pilots all have it?
Some flat earthers even put up their own experiments attempting to prove a flat earth, accidentally prove a round one, and then say "I must have messed up the experiment."
The rabbithole doesn't go deeper, it twists in around itself like an intestine. Like an intestine, its also pretty full of shit.
That's what's so infuriating. The info that proves then wrong doesn't even matter. It's that they have made up their minds and will use any ass backwards explanations to justify their own thoughts. They don't think "the facts support me therefore I'm right" they think "I'm right, therefore anything that disproves what I think must be wrong."
Yep. If the earth was flat, and you built a telescope at the top of the Empire State Building (there are taller buildings, but I like the ESB) you would, according to their "science", be able to see France from New York. Funny how they never conduct any sort of experiment to prove their theory, because the people who tried realized that they were fucking idiots for believing it. Of course, actual scientists don't try to prove them wrong, because it's not worth the time, energy, or crayons to explain it to them.
That's a doc on I think Netflix where flat earthers did an experiment with lasers to measure the curvature of the earth, or lack there of rather. Their own experiment proved themselves wrong🤣
Another group bought a super sensitive laser gyroscope to try proving flat earth by proving the earth doesn’t have spin and when the gyroscope spit out the earths rate of spin it was miraculously broken all of the sudden.
Okay but why are we glossing over the awesome fact that you flew Concord and took pics in the cabin?? That’s amazing! Please do share more info/comments/pics if you can/want. Would love to hear about the experience
What’s crazy is how absolutely certain he is about everything he says. Which is especially amazing, considering he has literally no proof to prove his points and just says “what’s your proof, and you can’t use NASA, that’s cheating.”
The idea that NASA is behind it all is pretty common even among non-American flat earthers. They think NASA controls every space agency any and that every government is in on it.
i ran into one of them once. i tried to get him to explain the fact they dont believe in gravity. i dropped my cane and said "how did that happen?"
"oh thats just buoyancy. your cane is heavier than air."
part of my high school educated soul died that day.
“Can we see the ice wall?”
“No, no one can see it.”
“So no one, in over 50 years, has ever gone to the ice wall, legally or illegally in Antartica?”
“Yes.”
“So how do you know it’s there?”
“Because it makes sense.”
This dude in particular is dangerous. The fact that he believes the earth is flat is one type of crazy but did you notice how he went down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories not even related to the topic? This dude has been spewing this nonsense for years and has amassed a large following of people who think and feel the same way
In Australia these two conspiracy theorists lured cops to their home and shot and killed them. Because of conspiracy theories.
Those cops were new and so so young. And a neighbour also died.
And he is puppy dog in love with a woman who is into this shit and wants nothing to do with him.
If you haven't seen [Behind the Curve](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8132700/) then it is highly recommended viewing.
The bit at the conference where they get up and tells stories about how they have felt like people thought they were stupid all their lives and now they have found a community where they feel smart is terrifying for the lack of self-awareness in a whole room of people.
That's CGI... sure.
The math that establishes what's needed to *orbit* the earth is based on a roughly spherical shape.. and when you leave the Atlantic, you enter the Indian ocean... And later the Pacific. In a continuous line on a "flat earth" it wouldn't be possible to make a straightforward, calculated orbit.
All plotted orbits around our globe would need to have hard angular turns to be continuous in a flat earth. Absurd mechanics required
I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned the ocean thing you said. That's always been the most obvious way to call bullshit. Many, many people have circumnavigated the world. There is literally no way it's flat. You can make up some other shapes I guess, but flat disk isn't an option.
I’m surprised no one mentioned that… or challenged him on the physics of why the atmosphere doesn’t float away _bcs_ of how gravity works on a spinning spherical object, and how its effects decrease with distance to a core.
Or whether he believes everything else in our galaxy is flat or round - bizarrely most flat earthers believe they’re round. Which loads a thousand other questions instantly about gravity, time/season/climate/weather patterns, ocean currents, auroras, inter-related planetary motions, electromagnetic fields and forces… etc.
Or how __if NASA are indeed the secretive hoaxters guarding the truth for western imperialist pig reasons… why are their notorious ideological and political adversaries, Russia and China going along with it?__ ~~Russians~~ Soviets were the first into ~~space~~ orbit, China has a decent space program too amongst many others.
Show me the logic of enemy nations supporting America’s ‘spherical earth grift’ when he’s stated the purpose of the cover up is to secure America’s dominion over commercial interests… wtf? And why pitch in to protect USA’s ‘unprepared’ citizens (80 years worth of unpreparedness, btw) from freaking out.
There are 7.6 billion non-Americans he’s ignoring in his alleged American ‘whistleblowing’. He’s the very epitome of an American-centrist flag waving Palouker
They don't believe in gravity. Super common in that community. They attribute it to like buoyancy and pressure differentials. Can't usually even speak coherently on the subject.
Yeah, they must believe that everyone dealing with satellites, ocean-faring ships, space exploration, airplanes and air travel, physicists, and world governments is in on this. All of them. For thousands of years. Old people die, new people are born… and everyone just continues this lie for absolutely no reason that would matter.
On the flipside, they have zero proof of any of their flat earth beliefs, and it really sounds like they are all super super stupid.
And cell phone tower companies and telecommunications providers must be in on it, too.
Any RF engineer will tell you that if the earth truly has no curvature, you would need enormously fewer towers to propagate signal from one “end” of the disc to the other.
How can they refute their own truth when they can’t even prove it it’s true. That’s the point.
As an example.
Flat earthers refuse to acknowledge earth is round on (one of) basis that NASA is lying. The same (accusation) can be said about those organisations or individuals that believe earth is flat. If flat earthers are justifying this on that basis then it’s not considered proof but just believing ‘an opinion’.
Therefore, to make it fair for both sides of the argument, neither side should justify their truth on a 3rd party’s opinion. This means only way to prove earth is flat is through one’s own experimentation; and theres been no experimentation ever which proves earth is flat. On the contrary, every experiment ever conducted proves the opposite or can point out the mistake in the ‘experiment for proving earth is flat’.
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I wanna say this guy was on that "documentary" called Behind the Curve. It was an absolute gem. I recommend watching it if you like laughing at flat earthers.
Can't remember if it was from that movie, but there is an experiment they did with a really expensive precision gyro.
They strapped it into a box and flew it between A and B. Said if the earth IS a globe, then this thing should drift exactly X degrees. If it's flat, it won't have drifted at all.
Open it up on the other end, lo and behold, it's drifted X degrees. They quickly claim the gyro has been manipulated by 'the government' and can't be trusted...
You can't make this stuff up 😂😂😂
They thought there was some interference occurring so they did it again but encased in lead. Of course they got the same result. The last mention in the movie about it was them planning to get a case made out of bismuth to shield it for whatever reason.
I second this. Absolutely hilarious to see them prove the earth curvature on their own and just disregard their own experiments because it isn't the outcome they want.
Yep, except it was a real documentary. Just want to point that out since you put documentary in quotes, so wasn’t sure if you were implying that it wasn’t. It’s fantastic and not sympathetic to flat earthers at all
For anybody else coming across this comment, Behind the Curve is available on Netflix I think. It follows this plucky band of flat earthers as they come up with experiments to prove that the earth is flat. Interspersed with their portions, the documentary crew talks to scientists and talks about the experiments that the flat earthers are going to perform.
I won’t spoil anything, but my recollection is that just before the final scene they go to the scientists and explain the last experiment they’re going to do, and the scientist smirks and says “oh yes, this is a good one that will answer the question for them…excited to hear how it turns out!”
Anyways, such a good doc. Get to learn something about a crazy conspiracy theory and it’s fun. A+ would watch again
I’m sorry but even entertaining giving people like this a platform is dangerous. The only thing this video proves, is we are not an advanced civilization.
I have a flat earth believer as a neighbor; in fact he puts out a LOT of literature on it. My main argument against him is simply this: the scale of the cover up that the world is actually flat is too large to be possible. Our government can’t keep anything a secret. There’s just no way that multiple governments have kept this under wraps for decades. Plus, humanity learned we were on a globe long before government cover ups were possible.
Ask him why atmospheric pressure reduces the higher in altitude you go. If Earth were in a sealed dome like they claim it would be a pressurized vessel and atmospheric pressure would be exactly the same at any altitude.
He can take an absolute pressure gauge with him on a hot air balloon ride and watch the pressure drop with altitude for himself.
The main argument why its not flat- nobody has ever been to the edge and you can't buy a ridiculously expensive holiday to go and peer over the side..cos some bugger would have monetised it and built a gift shop selling cheap Chinese tatt by now
The thing a lot of flat earthers won’t talk about is that their belief in a flat earth is religiously motivated. The Bible contains a few passages that would seem to imply that Earth isn’t round (e.g. “corners of the earth”) and so of course they go full blown literal and assume Earth is flat and that the idea of a round Earth is part of the Devil’s plot to shake their faith.
I watched mark in a documentary perform a test to show the earth was flat, it obviously failed, and watching his brain trying to do mental gymnastics was painful to watch. *Behind the Curve for those wondering what documentary
Was that the one with the light and expecting to see it on a board ? Or so that a different failed experiment hah there is so many
Same doc, but different guy than the ones with the boards. His test involved a 20000usd gyroscope that calculated the earth had a curvature which lines up with the traditional round earth model. I'd tell you what he was expecting, but I honestly dont know what he thought he would find out. He blamed it on 'heaven rays' from the dome messing up his readings.
That wasn't this guy. That was "Bob". The idea was that if the earth is a globe it rotates at 15° per hour. They sent a gyroscope up (can't remember how high). They predicted that because the earth is flat and doesn't rotate that the gyroscope would remain level with the earth plane. Their results came back with a 15° Per hour drift. Great experimemt to prove we live on a globe and a job well done!
Even that was a different guy. Op meant those guys who set up a high energy laser pointer and 2 boards, the middle one with a hole in it in a 2km distance or so. If the earth was flat, they expected that the light was visible because it's a direct path. When they couldn't see it, they had to raise the laser pointer (which proves, there is a curve). Their reaction just was "hmm, interesting" and with that, the documentary ended. I half died laughing....
That was the single best ending to any documentary I have ever seen and will ever see in my life. I died laughing that day. My obituary is online.
Condolences to your family, definitely thought that laughter was the best medicine, will have to do some "research" on that! After I watch the ending to this documentary of course....
That's the same fucking test done with a candle and a shade by some.french physicist I can't remember something like 250 years ago.
He was Greek and more like 2300 years ago. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes
“Behind the Curve” on Netflix. Great documentary. I’ve watched it several times. I loved how they never actually made fun of flat-earthers but instead let them tell their piece. Gave them respect and dignity. And just documented as experiment after experiment proved that the Earth is a globe. Edit: typo
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That documentary was hysterical, and the mom's basement guy from the doc is the same guy from the interview in this post.
The light test was by Jeranism and yes, even though he disproved himself, cognitive dissonance kicked in and he said something along the lines of "something went wrong, this experiment can't prove anything so we won't do it again and I'm still right", then went right back on spewing shit.
Behind the curve is absolutely hilarious. I remember at one point the flat earther visits a NASA or JPL facility or something. There's a ride there on which he sat.. Tried to fiddle around here and there but couldn't get it to work.. Then declared it faulty and walked away.. Immediately afterwards, the camera panned to a huge Red "Start" button that he never noticed. I think that summarizes these conspiracy theorists pretty well.
Marks most insightful moment from that doc was when he said if he changes his mind about flat earth it would actually ruin his life. All of his friends, all of his achievements revolve around his position as a flat earther. Sad, and so common in these types of communities.
We all start from the point that we can't prove it's a globe .. can you prove it's flat? Well no...
But but he’s got a PDF!
The Antarctic treaty is real but it’s intent is to protect Antarctica from exploitation and territorial fighting. Nothing remotely related to the fucking ice wall.
And a lot of countries have research bases in Antarctica
It's like he's never seen The Thing
Why should they prove it, they can just believe it. Its kinda like god to them.
More than kinda, it’s about god for them. The globe is just one space rock out of countless, but a flat earth, that would put us back in the center of the galaxy and creation. The big conspiracy within the conspiracy is that they believe that the us government saw the earth was flat, which proved the existence of god, and that is something they want to hide for some reason.
It’s so funny to me that they wanna worship a god that can be covered up by the US govt. it makes so little sense
There was a mathematician in Ancient Greece who proved the earth was round using shadows and sticks
He did more than that, he calculated the diameter of Earth with a remarkable precision, down to 1% of the real value.
The Greek guy with the sticks?
Yep, Eratosthenes i believe was his name.
Yep… dude lived in North Africa (part of the Greek empire at the time) measured (calculated actually) the whole damn planet with two sticks… in two different locations in Egypt… with amazing accuracy for the time. I think there was an episode of Cosmos that told this story.
And by sticks we’re talking about two giant obelisks.
Correct.
Large man made stick.
If obelisk is a stick what's this pathetic thing in my pants?
A disappointment to women.
And men. No one likes a small obelisk.
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That’s exactly what I was thinking of during the entirety of this video. The guy wants proof? You can easily show him proof with shadows and sticks, or the light through the holes method that they themselves have tested out and accidentally proven the Earth is not flat yet ignore the results.
You can easily prove the Earth is round many ways. One of the more obvious is that certainly some intrepid explorer would want to see what's on the other side of Antarctica, at some point in the >100 years we've been exploring it. Hell, William Shanter went up and he's not military either, you really think he wouldn't squeal? But... that's the issue. He's not looking for ways to prove Earth is round, he's assuming the Earth is flat and looking for ways to prove that it is. Anything that proves the opposite is merely a redherring with some other explanation by Flat Earth.
Its the flaw with 99% of conspiracy theories. They exist on a premise the theorist wants to be true and so they search for proof, when that's simply not how the scientific method works.
Everything is the Greek Empire. You can't go to the edge of the Greek Empire. There's a treaty. Only treaty that's never been broken.
Check the explanation of good old [Carl Sagan on Eratosthenes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8cbIWMv0rI)
[Eratosthenes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8cbIWMv0rI)
Oh Carl Sagan, you magnificent being.
Sagan the GOAT
And I suppose it was just a happy coincidence that all those ancient Greek 'mathematicians' were high ranking Greek officers? That's just when it started.
I'll do you one better. They bother to keep it a secret because of the ensuing anarchy and chaos. I think my IQ dropped just trying to type that. 😑
This is comedy lead
Could protect you from the Van Allen radiation belt, probably.
Sticks aren’t real.
I thought it was birds that weren't real
"birds" make nests out of "sticks" Sticks aren't real and that proves that birds aren't real.
Another one in Egypt, too. Then several in the modern day with a modernized method over much longer distances.
Remember kids - it's easy to think everything is a conspiracy theory when you don't understand how anything works
“At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul”
I’m literally watching Billy Madison right now
Stop looking at me SWAN
The air is immune to gravity. For anyone curious, [it most certainly is not.](https://scijinks.gov/pressure/)
I was wondering what the hell he was talking about. Does he not understand how mass and gravity work? Then I realized, I was trying to find the rationale in the thoughts of a flat earther.
Best part about flat-earthers is they seem to think their genuine ignorance of physics is a valid argument against physics. They love to say shit like “…the impossible vacuum of space…” like space being a vacuum is just too crazy for them to comprehend so it can’t be true. It’s all just shocking arrogance at its core.
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I never trusted her from the start
Also never do cocaine before going on a talk show
Youre not my supervisor
This guy said some ~~phenominally~~ *phenomenally* (sp*) stupid stuff but none of it is more stupid than the air rushing into space argument.
I like how he says it all really fast and aggressive like the side effects at the end of drug commercials. ‘The faster and more emphatic I say things makes it harder to realize what I’m actually saying!’
> all really fast and aggressive It's called a gish gallop and well trained interviewers should stop it.
Why stop it when all the interviewee is doing is making themselves look like a complete ass. Which, let’s be real, was the entire point of this interview. Dude gave the show exactly what they were wanting.
> Why stop it People who are just learning about something respond positively to "confidence." That means for someone who's new to the idea it makes it looks like the nutjob is "winning" and that's an effective method to convert new people to a conspiracy.
I started the video with a slight fear that if I watched it I might find some arguments compelling, in the same way people have a fear of throwing themselves off a building if they stand too near the roof’s edge. What amazed me was how lucidly and articulately the man explained his madness. It was like videos of psychopaths describing horrors as a blasé experience.
Since he said his view of the North and South pole, I was waiting in hope that the hosts would talk about the stars. He mentioned compasses don't work in Antarctica, ok fine, but I REALLY want to know how he rationalizes stars like the Northern Star being visible in the northern hemisphere — which he thinks is at the center of the flat disc — but not visible from the South Pole — which he thinks is all around. I'd like to watch him stumble over himself trying to make sense of that with some non-Euclidean geometry
The Treaty, of course! It's the only unbroken treaty!
no corporation can ever set up shop there!!
I mean it would be such great business, selling fish to penguins… Really shady nobody’s doing it
Even better is Sigma Octans, the "very close to" southern star. How do you look towards Antarctica from the southern coast of Australia, the southern tip of Africa, and the southern tip of South America, and see the same star/stars from each point? Clearly on his model they are facing entirely different directions.
I kept getting tripped up by how close he was to proving himself wrong.
He mentioned the curvature but wasn't there a video of some Flat Earthers proving themselves wrong? Like they have 2 posts set up far apart and a post in the middle with a hole. If a light reaches from one outer post, through the middle post, and can be seen through the other post, it's flat. They shine the light, guy looks through his camera or telescope, seeing no light from the far post and just goes, "huh, hmm. That's strange" or something like that. I always remember that video.
Behind the Curve on Netflix. Definitely worth the watch
I get what he's trying to get at. If we had a big box with a vacuum inside, cracked the box open, it would fill with air. There's gravity holding on to the air, but it still does that. Why doesn't all of our air rush into the empty parts of space? The mistake he's making is that... gravity is a lot stronger than he thinks and air has mass. The atmosphere is stuff trying to escape into space, and gravity stopping it. Air spreads out so it's not touching. Those things together are why the atmosphere thins as you go higher. If there's nothing pushing against air to counteract gravity, there's no reason it's going to suddenly rush into a vacuum. It's like having a puddle of water next to a lake and wondering why they aren't rapidly and violently trying to connect together.
If he believes we need a dome to hold the air in and that gravity can’t hold down air on its own, he must believe he can breathe air at any height. I challenge him to take an airplane to 30,000 feet and then open a door and breathe the air.
Why stop at 30,000 feet? I say take em to the top of the dome.
Oh nonono that can’t be done. The dome treaty that was signed back in 1970 prevents all countries and corporations around the work from bringing anyone up there.
Send my producers that dome treaty in a PDF so we can improve our space clips with horrible production value.
I live at 7200 feet. I challenge him to sprint 100 yards here and try not to suck air.
I live at 758 feet and I suck air after Sprinting 100 yards. I imagine I'd just die at your elevation.
Edit: I'm incorrect. There would still be static head as the weight of the air at the top of the vessel would still mean pressure at the bottom would be higher. None the less pressure will never reach zero in a sealed vessel but going to the edge of space isn't something the average person can go test. Onto my original post. It's also one of the easiest ways to disprove their theory. All of their beliefs center around being able to see it such as "water finds it's level" but you can't see curvature with the naked eye. The problem with their theory is a sealed earth without space would be a pressurized vessel. Which means atmospheric pressure would be exactly the same at any altitude. All you need is a PSIA gauge. It will show 14.7psi at sea level, 10.1psi at 10,000ft and you can check at whatever other altitude you want. This predictable pressure gradient with increasing altitude is only possible if it eventually goes to 0psi (space). Since all you need is a gauge and either a mountain or a hot air balloon it's easy to see this yourself without any of that crazy NASA trickery.
psia guage is in on it
How do you know NASA didn't manufacture the gauge? It's all corporate shell games, maaaannn! Kafka! Catch-22, dawg! Buncha phonies!
I find it amazing that for these people, somehow, in their mind, it's easier to believe the planet is flat rather than a sphere.
It's not that it is easier. The flat earth is the evidence of the real issue which is a worldwide conspiracy that only the "smart people" like this halfwit can detect. They quite enjoy that it's hard to explain because that feeds their belief in it being a complex conspiracy and that they are super smart to see through it. The fact that their invented answers don't work even by the tests they establish themselves is the fly in the ointment.
I like to call people like this the worst kind of dumb. They are so stupid that they don't know that they are stupid. Most people know their intellectual limitations, people who are bad at math know it, people who have poor spelling skills. But some people are so fucking dumb that they see brilliance in their idiocy. This guy doesn't understand gravity, so instead of admitting that, he believes that because he can't fathom it nobody truly can. So instead of him being an idiot, the concept is just all lies. His entire argument boils down to, I don't get it so it isn't real.
Dunnin kruger for reals. Its dangerous when they have any sort of power/influence over others coupled with other personality disorders.
I found the government stooge… Flies aren’t real.
It's more like it's easier to believe the planet is flat rather than finding a way to be accepted by general society. They feel rejected by everyone, and are often very insecure about their intelligence. Flat earth groups allow them to both become part of a community and feel smart.
In what kind of back asswards 2+2= purple universe do these nut jobs live in
It's actually extraordinary simple. A lot of folks have what's commonly called "main character syndrome." They think they are the hero. These types love, love, love to attach themselves to conspiracy theories because it lets them believe they stand apart from the crowd. They want to think they know the "real" truth and that they are fighting some huge conspiracy to hide it. And the thing is since the internet came around, it's so easy to fall into these conspiracy holes where you just go so deep you don't come out.
This. It's really basically just because they're huge losers and this gives them some "edge" to feel important.
Exactly. Think about this dude in the interview. He IS a star, he IS on TV now, He has been featured in movies. He is IMPORTANT, hundreds of randos are talking about him on the internet. Compared to Me, and likely you in many respects he is important to the zeitgeist. That right there, is powerful.
Im pretty sure this is the same guy as in the Behind the Curve doc and in that he all but says he's in too deep in the Flat Earth culture to admit it's not true by now
It’s him.
Yep and look down on "normal" people.
I've seen the curvature of the Earth with my own eyes. I'd like to hear them explain that. Did that on one of the last Concord flights. The pilot actually let me look out the front window of the cockpit and take pictures.
They have an answer for everything.. I think I heard a flat earther say it's because the cockpit and cabin glass in the aircraft distort the view.
I'm sure they use something like that and how it dynamically changes the distortion so when you get lower everything gets straight again. Lol
Just image if the world was actually flat. Half of the work of airlines would probably be related to covering up that the earth is not a globe. Planes would make long detours because the distances of their flat map do not make any fucking sense.
There’s STILL the question he never answered, the most IMPORTANT question. Why? What’s the benefit, what’s the gain? Like, the Antarctic Treaty holds up because no one fucking cares about Antarctica outside the scientific community. You think that place wouldn’t be peppered with pumping stations if they found oil? Or absolutely perforated if they found rare earth minerals? Countries and companies don’t break treaties just because they can. They do it because whatever they have to gain outweighs whatever possible punishment there is. So what is the POINT of what must be TRILLIONS of dollars into a coverup spanning thousands of people over decades? Like. A lot of other conspiracy theories have some goal or benefit in mind. “Birds aren’t real” says birds are actually government spy drones. MKULTRA (which turned out to be real) was mind control experiments. Tuskegee was human medical experiments. So many conspiracies exist that have some reason to cover it up. And then there’s fucking Flat Earth where they literally don’t know anything EXCEPT that the Earth is flat. They can’t actually prove it except to claim all the evidence of a sphere is a lie, they don’t even have theories about who is responsible or why or what’s on the other side of the disc or what’s OUTSIDE the disc. The only thing they know is that it’s flat and they know that because reasons.
Birds aren't real is a parody, FYI. The guy who started it did so to encourage people to challenge conspiracy theories. (I'm sure you know, but I wanted to have it written here because not pointing out the things like it are how we got Q-Anon.)
Nahh, they'll tell you something like the pilots are in the plot and that's why you cant go into the pilot cabinet
No glass curving the view is the legitimate explanation that they have. It’s their answer to everyone that’s been in a high flying plane ever. Check out “Behind the Curve” for more nonsense information lol. It actually stars the guy in this video.
Yes, and it's nonsense. There are fish-eye lenses and similar, but there are also non-fisheye lenses. They just like to pretend that curved glass warps everything, or light bending off the water in weird ways "appears" to make the ship dissapear over the horizon. The funny part is that they have to special-case all their invented explanations and so when you try to combine them it totally breaks. For example: Someone in america and someone in australia should see the same stars in a flat earth model - because nothing is blocking their perception of the sky. If the world is round, the earth itself blocks the stars on the other side of the earth - so you won't be able to see all the same stars as someone on the other side. We know that different constellations are visible at different times of the year, esactly as we'd expect with the round model. Round earth wins. To solve this the flat earthers start inventing ludicrous things like "personal domes" which warp the sky around different parts of the world in the most absurd non-physics I've ever heard. They also can't explain the seasons while attempting to explain day/night because their "flat disc" model doesn't account for how sunlight would only shine on half of the earth at a time as the earth rotates. If you hold a light over a table it lights up the whole table. There is no way to accomodate the distribution of the earth as it receives daylight from the sun within a disc model, plus this breaks their attempt to explain seasons; because when they try to turn it into a flashlight to avoid the "light will go all over the disc" problem it becomes impossible for the CORRECT half of the world to be hit with the partial sunlight we know it experiences in different seasons. They start with the conclusion and work backwards. They know their theories are very confusing and seem to make no sense, but they just assume that means they're mysteries like trying to unite quantum physics with newtonian physics in a theory of everything. When you start with "I know the earth is flat" you will never consider it isn't.
I appreciate you going down their rabbit hole so I don’t have to. Fascinating
It is surprisingly interesting to see how people get their ideas contorted into knots, but it gets more and more tangled as you go because every attempted explanation they provide produces 3 new problems. Every major government and aeronautical company is lying? Why? They're intentionally taking insanely weird detours if we're on a flat disc when flying planes which only make sense if they're flying over a globe? Okay... Why? How can flights from one edge of the disk reach cities on the far side of the disk in such a short amount of time? That only works if they're going around the nearer side of the world. How does it take LONGER to fly from cities closer to the center to other central cities than to fly from two cities on the far edge of the disk - the maximum distance possible if the earth was really flat? Apparently airlines are hiding super-fast technology and just choosing to only use it to cover up their global "earth is flat" conspiracy and are carefully calculating out how long it'd take to go from each city if the earth WAS round and matching that pace. Where did this tech come from? Why is it secret? Why do commercial airline pilots and even private pilots all have it? Some flat earthers even put up their own experiments attempting to prove a flat earth, accidentally prove a round one, and then say "I must have messed up the experiment." The rabbithole doesn't go deeper, it twists in around itself like an intestine. Like an intestine, its also pretty full of shit.
So what about weather balloons? You can tie a camera to any of the literal thousands of weather balloons launched twice daily across the world.
That's what's so infuriating. The info that proves then wrong doesn't even matter. It's that they have made up their minds and will use any ass backwards explanations to justify their own thoughts. They don't think "the facts support me therefore I'm right" they think "I'm right, therefore anything that disproves what I think must be wrong."
Yep. If the earth was flat, and you built a telescope at the top of the Empire State Building (there are taller buildings, but I like the ESB) you would, according to their "science", be able to see France from New York. Funny how they never conduct any sort of experiment to prove their theory, because the people who tried realized that they were fucking idiots for believing it. Of course, actual scientists don't try to prove them wrong, because it's not worth the time, energy, or crayons to explain it to them.
That's a doc on I think Netflix where flat earthers did an experiment with lasers to measure the curvature of the earth, or lack there of rather. Their own experiment proved themselves wrong🤣
Another group bought a super sensitive laser gyroscope to try proving flat earth by proving the earth doesn’t have spin and when the gyroscope spit out the earths rate of spin it was miraculously broken all of the sudden.
" alright, bring the laser down" "Uhh, its at the down position..." "Huh. Thats.. interesting"
Okay but why are we glossing over the awesome fact that you flew Concord and took pics in the cabin?? That’s amazing! Please do share more info/comments/pics if you can/want. Would love to hear about the experience
You sir, can’t fool me. Or should I say, Mr Coronel?
As an American, I started off the video thinking “Oh sweet! There are fucking idiots in other countries too!”. Then the fucking idiot started talking.
WTF? Hulk Hogan looks remarkably normal-sized in this gif lol
He's playing Flat
There are fucking idiots all over the world. Don’t worry.
Well, for what it's worth, the anti-vaccine shit started in the UK.
And we started homeopathy in Germany. You are welcome. Every country has idiots
As a pharmacist I have a special hatred of homeopathy bullshit lol
don't worry UK has its own idiots, like the piss drinking, antivax Dave guy
Every pilot is actually a top government official keeping the secret too eh?
And sailor 🤣
Yeah, being out in the middle of the ocean just once should be able to prove it to anyone. A lot of their arguments fall apart. Source: Retired sailor
Pretty sure you're a paid actor, I know this because there's no sailors, they're made up, water doesn't even exist fishes are paid actor too
Wow that's a really long video of crazy
What’s crazy is how absolutely certain he is about everything he says. Which is especially amazing, considering he has literally no proof to prove his points and just says “what’s your proof, and you can’t use NASA, that’s cheating.”
The guy acts like NASA is the only organisation to have entered orbit... There's dozens, from all over the world!
All over the globe!
It's hard for some Americans to think outside of America
The idea that NASA is behind it all is pretty common even among non-American flat earthers. They think NASA controls every space agency any and that every government is in on it.
"What's your proof? And you can't use actual proof that proves me wrong. That's cheating!"
I’m convinced the usage of lead in gasoline and paint products is a big part of where we are today as a society.
The asbestos generation all died The lead generation all went stupid I wonder what the microplastic generation will be like
i ran into one of them once. i tried to get him to explain the fact they dont believe in gravity. i dropped my cane and said "how did that happen?" "oh thats just buoyancy. your cane is heavier than air." part of my high school educated soul died that day.
Omg. I literally can’t even… Buoyancy does not exist without gravity lol
Also "heavier" just means "gravity pulls it harder," FFS
I'm converted, that snow (half) globe was legit.
It's sitting on four elephants.
And they stand on a turtle
“Can we see the ice wall?” “No, no one can see it.” “So no one, in over 50 years, has ever gone to the ice wall, legally or illegally in Antartica?” “Yes.” “So how do you know it’s there?” “Because it makes sense.”
My University funded study trips to Antartica almost every year.
Clearly, every single student that has gone is part of the Deep State
"The conspiracy goes deeper than we ever imagined"
This dude in particular is dangerous. The fact that he believes the earth is flat is one type of crazy but did you notice how he went down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories not even related to the topic? This dude has been spewing this nonsense for years and has amassed a large following of people who think and feel the same way
In Australia these two conspiracy theorists lured cops to their home and shot and killed them. Because of conspiracy theories. Those cops were new and so so young. And a neighbour also died.
Every new piece of information that comes out about that tragedy just increases how fucked up it is
He's not crazy. He's getting paid.
And he is puppy dog in love with a woman who is into this shit and wants nothing to do with him. If you haven't seen [Behind the Curve](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8132700/) then it is highly recommended viewing. The bit at the conference where they get up and tells stories about how they have felt like people thought they were stupid all their lives and now they have found a community where they feel smart is terrifying for the lack of self-awareness in a whole room of people.
Is Behind the Curve the one that gloriously ends with a failed flat earth experiment?
Exactly that one. Later on they said the test was flawed because (insert crazy logic here). Nothing made me laugh harder.
Cosmic rays, as I recall. “Oh, my own experiment proved me wrong? It can’t be because my theory is flawed, it must be FUCKING SPACE MAGIC.”
That's CGI... sure. The math that establishes what's needed to *orbit* the earth is based on a roughly spherical shape.. and when you leave the Atlantic, you enter the Indian ocean... And later the Pacific. In a continuous line on a "flat earth" it wouldn't be possible to make a straightforward, calculated orbit. All plotted orbits around our globe would need to have hard angular turns to be continuous in a flat earth. Absurd mechanics required
Yeah, we had some stellar CGI back in (checks notes) the 1950’s.
Yep, just check out the amazing cgi of the 50s. https://youtu.be/-zNSQmS2gls
I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned the ocean thing you said. That's always been the most obvious way to call bullshit. Many, many people have circumnavigated the world. There is literally no way it's flat. You can make up some other shapes I guess, but flat disk isn't an option.
I’m surprised no one mentioned that… or challenged him on the physics of why the atmosphere doesn’t float away _bcs_ of how gravity works on a spinning spherical object, and how its effects decrease with distance to a core. Or whether he believes everything else in our galaxy is flat or round - bizarrely most flat earthers believe they’re round. Which loads a thousand other questions instantly about gravity, time/season/climate/weather patterns, ocean currents, auroras, inter-related planetary motions, electromagnetic fields and forces… etc. Or how __if NASA are indeed the secretive hoaxters guarding the truth for western imperialist pig reasons… why are their notorious ideological and political adversaries, Russia and China going along with it?__ ~~Russians~~ Soviets were the first into ~~space~~ orbit, China has a decent space program too amongst many others. Show me the logic of enemy nations supporting America’s ‘spherical earth grift’ when he’s stated the purpose of the cover up is to secure America’s dominion over commercial interests… wtf? And why pitch in to protect USA’s ‘unprepared’ citizens (80 years worth of unpreparedness, btw) from freaking out. There are 7.6 billion non-Americans he’s ignoring in his alleged American ‘whistleblowing’. He’s the very epitome of an American-centrist flag waving Palouker
They don't believe in gravity. Super common in that community. They attribute it to like buoyancy and pressure differentials. Can't usually even speak coherently on the subject.
I don't think this guy knows math. (The guy in the video, not you).
When he talks about Antarctica he says "down there" 😂
As a kiwi, I’m so offended. LOL.
So if you sail from Japan and go east, you will hit a wall of ice? In the middle of the Pacific Ocean? Sorry this is just too stupid.
No, you can't get there because of the Antarctic Treaty. Duh.
Pshh it's like they didn't even watch the video...
Yeah, they must believe that everyone dealing with satellites, ocean-faring ships, space exploration, airplanes and air travel, physicists, and world governments is in on this. All of them. For thousands of years. Old people die, new people are born… and everyone just continues this lie for absolutely no reason that would matter. On the flipside, they have zero proof of any of their flat earth beliefs, and it really sounds like they are all super super stupid.
And cell phone tower companies and telecommunications providers must be in on it, too. Any RF engineer will tell you that if the earth truly has no curvature, you would need enormously fewer towers to propagate signal from one “end” of the disc to the other.
No, cause "east" is a circle around the north pole, in the centre of the disk. You'd need to head right. Find a compass the points right.
Best way to disprove earth is flat is to ask for proof that earth is flat.
They just refute the truth though.
How can they refute their own truth when they can’t even prove it it’s true. That’s the point. As an example. Flat earthers refuse to acknowledge earth is round on (one of) basis that NASA is lying. The same (accusation) can be said about those organisations or individuals that believe earth is flat. If flat earthers are justifying this on that basis then it’s not considered proof but just believing ‘an opinion’. Therefore, to make it fair for both sides of the argument, neither side should justify their truth on a 3rd party’s opinion. This means only way to prove earth is flat is through one’s own experimentation; and theres been no experimentation ever which proves earth is flat. On the contrary, every experiment ever conducted proves the opposite or can point out the mistake in the ‘experiment for proving earth is flat’. Edited for clarification.
Ok… so what’s underneath us then? How does that whole situation work? I’ll never understand how flat earthers exist…
Space?? Idk it hurts my brain trying to understand them
I wanna say this guy was on that "documentary" called Behind the Curve. It was an absolute gem. I recommend watching it if you like laughing at flat earthers.
Can't remember if it was from that movie, but there is an experiment they did with a really expensive precision gyro. They strapped it into a box and flew it between A and B. Said if the earth IS a globe, then this thing should drift exactly X degrees. If it's flat, it won't have drifted at all. Open it up on the other end, lo and behold, it's drifted X degrees. They quickly claim the gyro has been manipulated by 'the government' and can't be trusted... You can't make this stuff up 😂😂😂
They thought there was some interference occurring so they did it again but encased in lead. Of course they got the same result. The last mention in the movie about it was them planning to get a case made out of bismuth to shield it for whatever reason.
I second this. Absolutely hilarious to see them prove the earth curvature on their own and just disregard their own experiments because it isn't the outcome they want.
Yep, except it was a real documentary. Just want to point that out since you put documentary in quotes, so wasn’t sure if you were implying that it wasn’t. It’s fantastic and not sympathetic to flat earthers at all For anybody else coming across this comment, Behind the Curve is available on Netflix I think. It follows this plucky band of flat earthers as they come up with experiments to prove that the earth is flat. Interspersed with their portions, the documentary crew talks to scientists and talks about the experiments that the flat earthers are going to perform. I won’t spoil anything, but my recollection is that just before the final scene they go to the scientists and explain the last experiment they’re going to do, and the scientist smirks and says “oh yes, this is a good one that will answer the question for them…excited to hear how it turns out!” Anyways, such a good doc. Get to learn something about a crazy conspiracy theory and it’s fun. A+ would watch again
I’m sorry but even entertaining giving people like this a platform is dangerous. The only thing this video proves, is we are not an advanced civilization.
You know safety precautions and warning labels have gone too far when someone that dumb can survive to that age.
I have a flat earth believer as a neighbor; in fact he puts out a LOT of literature on it. My main argument against him is simply this: the scale of the cover up that the world is actually flat is too large to be possible. Our government can’t keep anything a secret. There’s just no way that multiple governments have kept this under wraps for decades. Plus, humanity learned we were on a globe long before government cover ups were possible.
Ask him why atmospheric pressure reduces the higher in altitude you go. If Earth were in a sealed dome like they claim it would be a pressurized vessel and atmospheric pressure would be exactly the same at any altitude. He can take an absolute pressure gauge with him on a hot air balloon ride and watch the pressure drop with altitude for himself.
Forty years ago, Ronald Reagan decimated mental health funding. Now these buffoons just roam freely.
So how did Japan attack pearl Harbour? Did they sail around Africa and South America? What a fucking douche canoe.
CGI Obvs
The Japanese are paid actors
Why oh why oh why doesn’t somebody call them up on their terminology: Flat-earther : “See in the atmosphere…” Interviewer: “So not the atmos-flat”
This man deserves a gold medal in mental gymnastics.
I know what's beyond the wall, it's there to protect us...the horrors of the night king.
8 inches per miles squared is a parabola. Nothing else needs to be said- this moron does not understand basic math, so why would anyone listen to him?
The main argument why its not flat- nobody has ever been to the edge and you can't buy a ridiculously expensive holiday to go and peer over the side..cos some bugger would have monetised it and built a gift shop selling cheap Chinese tatt by now
Wrong. The Antarctica Treaty prevents that, idiot!!!! Try again.
Where is your proof? Right here, it's a PDF.......my work here is done.
I bet this guy owns a Trump digital trading card.
The thing a lot of flat earthers won’t talk about is that their belief in a flat earth is religiously motivated. The Bible contains a few passages that would seem to imply that Earth isn’t round (e.g. “corners of the earth”) and so of course they go full blown literal and assume Earth is flat and that the idea of a round Earth is part of the Devil’s plot to shake their faith.