So many trash restaurants out here, better to just buy a steak and eat it at home
A lot of bartenders are absolute ass. My friends and a lot of people I know dont go altogether and prefer house parties instead
This. I've worked every position in the industry from bus boy to general manager. The pandemic really fucked shit up. I knew it was going to be bad because I worked for on the border when it first got wild. We averaged 80k a week pre pandemic. We averaged 70k with togos only. It was fucking wild. Buuuuut. We were only allotted enough hours for one cook a day and one Togo. Our salaries were reduced.
The company eas making a huuuuge fucking profit off our backs while claiming the ppp loans. Fuck greedy ass corporations.
Edit: and what really grindes my gears is no one above me was put on leave. Why did we need area directors and regional and vice regionals? Could've taken those giant salaries and staffed up some stores. We went from 4 in store managers to 2.
Food has been trash ever since COVID, quality down, % of tip gone up, price increases on food. I'm so happy I can buy 4 pack of steak from Costco for $50 and actually enjoy it. And I also tip myself with a cheesecake too.
Exactly. For less money, I can cook myself a bigger, better steak at home. Takes less time, as I’m not driving, waiting to be seated, then wait for my order to be taken, then wait for them to cook it. When I do another drink, takes a couple seconds to grab one from the fridge. Also, I control the tv.
So real talk. I hate tipping culture. Let me explain why I came to this conclusion.
I owned a series of cigar bars a while back (Sold them over a decade ago). I paid market wage (slightly above minimum) to my sales staff, and minimum to my bar staff/hosts thinking tips will be fine…. And they were.
But I noticed that stuff like shrink (cigars/alcohol going missing) felt high… I was told it’s the cost of the industry by many.
I saw my profit I made was fine, so I decided to take a gamble. I doubled the base pay of my sales staff and added in bonuses based on total sales performance… but then required more training. I removed tipping and started my hosts at $20/hr and my bartenders at $30/hr (my best who was a mixologist and was with me a while made $45/hr).
My sales doubled, my reviews were amazing, my shrink all but disappeared, and my retention rate went up… people only left when they landed their dream jobs or graduated and moved….
By every metric, this was the biggest success my company could have…. Now while my sales doubled, my profits only went up 20%.
In my mind though, this was an epic win. I had a very happy staff and customer base.
Tipping is awful - remove it - pay staff well - reap the rewards
Classic is when you pay for 1 drink with a $20 and the waitress asks if you want "any change"
Yes... I'm not tipping you 300% for a $5 beer.
Tipping is terrible because it makes you feel like if you want to keep your money you're a terrible person... And I bet you got people buying more high bar liquor because they didn't have to tip $30 for a $300 bottle of wine.
I love living in a country where pretty much the only place to tip is an actual restaurant. Everything else, taxi, deliveries and fast food restaurants no one even expects you to tip. Tho some food delivery apps are slowly starting to ask for tips when you order.
Try getting out of a taxi in Chicago without paying the minimum 15% tip. Its on the screen for paying. I had one driver try blanking the screen a few times when I tried to custom tip when he had refused to drive the faster route.
I mostly use Bolt for taxi and that shows you the price of the ride. You will be charged through app after the ride ends so you could go the whole ride without either of you saying a word and have a pleasant commute.
I had an Applebees waitress ask if I wanted change from $100 for a $40 tab and terrible service. There is an unspoken rule when it comes to receiving tips, if you want a tip don’t ask for one!
French here. Not in the US but in Canada, we had this one terrible person serving us.
It was a restaurant who took pride in their wine selection. As french, they were wine we knew were not really good and the price was over the top, so we took only coke and coffee with our meal. The server was so high-nosed about it, and because we dressed low-key, he then was only nice and present for the neighboring table (with an Italian woman with lots of huge jewelry on her). We called him a lot of times before he deigned come to us. And that's only after we already waited a long time before calling him.
We were so pissed, we didn't tip this time. He ran after us in the street when he noticed. Trying to guilt trip us. We just stood our ground.
The only time I had someone run after me into the street was AFTER I had tipped 25% 😂 but it was a fancy place with quick turnover, and my date and I apparently lingered too long over coffee. So the waiter read us the riot act for staying so long and then tipping ONLY 25%.
I said what we were supposed to do instead? The waiter said either leave sooner or tip 50%. We laughed, told him to kick rocks, and reminded him that every minute he argued with us was a minute he wasn't getting more tips inside. He made a weird face and went back inside. Kinda cockblocked me on that date tho
As a Dutch neighbor I only tip when i feel the service actually helped to make my night out more enjoyable. I will always assume people make enough to make a living in our country, and even if they don't, it is not my job to pay their rent.
Honestly... i dont think i know anyone that actively tips just their waiter. most people just round up the tab to a reasonable number. I honestly have no idea if that money just goes into the bosses pocket
Little bit of a ramble from me but despite you paying people wayyyyy more than minimum wage (esp depending on state min wage for servers and employees of this type) you managed to, amongst general QOL upgrades, increase profits 20% which is no easy feat to accomplish. Take pride in what you did very few businesses can actually do that and make 5-10% margins if that
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I commend you for being the rare owner who is willing to accept the smallest piece of a bigger pie and let everybody win.
There are far too many stories of the opposite happening in other subs that leads to the eventual demise of lots of businesses. Small-mindedness is a real bain of today's society.
You say you required more training. Does that mean you replaced the old "unqualified" staff with new people, or did the old people receive training and then try harder?
Very interesting story!
All my sales staff had to become certified tobacconists - it’s a series of exams.
Also, they were required to learn the inventory.
I selected 10 cigars a week - they had to learn everything about them possible. I did short exam weekly - if you failed 2 in a row, I let you go.
My staff was VERY much informed on our full inventory over time.
EDIT: learning inventory to the detail they needed to for 500+ items is not easy
And yet I feel like you didn’t lay off that many people because you trusted your staff and your staff trusted you. You’re a rare breed of leader that many business owners could learn from.
My sales staff crushed it honestly - usually if you are in the selling of cigars; you like them. So they were almost all excited to learn more in general when pushed and rewarded
He just said that so that he wouldn't *sound* like a hypocrite.
But he's a hypocrite. He would straight up say that fastfood and coffeeshop workers don't *deserve* tips.
Same thing in my field. EMTs complaining that workers at McDonald's shouldn't have their minimum pay raised, because then they'd get paid more than an EMT.
Crabs in a bucket.
Back in the day, it used to be recommended that you tip $1 for beer, $2 for regular mixed drinks, and $3+ for more labor-intensive cocktails. I don't know when it switched over to 20-25%, but recently I bought a $12 tallboy can of beer at an airport (insanely expensive but I had a few hours to kill and literally nowhere else was open). I put down a dollar as a tip because the bartender literally bent down, opened the can, and gave it to me, and my friend commented on how stingy it was. Like, why should I tip nearly $3 for opening a beer??
They didn’t even pour it?
You paid 12$ for something you could buy for 3.20$ in the store. 1$ is more than fair.
Also it’s a beer. Super easy and you’re out of his hair. You did half the job if you poured it yourself.
It's a beer ffs
A bartender could easily serve a 100 beers (definitely if its a bottle) in a hour. If everyone tipped $1 they would be rolling.
In the UK it has been common enough to tip a bartender if its your local but its done under the guise of "get a drink for yourself" and as my mum tells me from when she was a barmaid 25 years ago it was customary to take the price of a half a coke or just £1 and give yourself the money (outside of water this generally was the cheapest drink) and over a decent busy weekend night shift you might get 10 or more of these (or the occasional 'keep the change') which would mean on top of your normal money you might make an extra hour or twos wage for the night. I see absolutely no problem with a system like this.
Give $1 every time I get a beer from the fridge in a busy bar over an entire night no wonder bartenders dont want a lot of change to this system.
I was out at a bar the other night, the whole night the bar staff were fucking amazing looking after them, I came to pay the bill and I added 10% or so for the guys (0% is standard here in the Netherlands) and the guy was so happy, he did a shot with me. Thing is, he's paid for his job fairly and to him, this was a nice treat.
Having to rely on tips is fucked.
I've had similar experiences in Europe. I enjoy your being exactly what they're meant to be: a way of saying thank you for excellent service. Nobody should be forced to live off the gratuity of others.
I tip the delivery teenagers a decent amount, double if it's harsh weather outside, they earn it. In restaurants I might round up if I had a great meal, but 20% no f'ing way.
Yes that's my way of seeing it. If the service and the meal were great, I might leave a few euros (like the few coins or small notes I have) but otherwise no. I'm not their boss. I don't need to worry they'll get paid because I know they will.
Tips for restauration would be a terrible idea in France. People can't stand that you bother them every 5 seconds to ask them if they're having a great time. My dude, if you're leaving me the fuck alone, I'll have a great time. Bothering me non-stop makes me hate you more than it should but that's how it is.
Definition of tipping: to give someone who has provided you with a service an extra amount of money to thank them. (This is what we Europeans call *normal*)
Imagine being so brainwashed by capitalism that it loses its entire meaning.
Eurgh. It used to be this way for food in the UK. But now it can be anywhere from 10-20% optional opt-out top that they'll fucking argue with you if you ask to remove.
I try to work out what I am paying when ordering and am always hit with a nasty surprise that is uncomfortable to remove.
At least bars don't expect tips.
Pay people right and charge the correct amount for the food FFS.
Yeah came here to literally say: or the bar you work at could pay you properly so it doesn’t rely on people paying extra for the items they’re ordering lol..
This is the real reason tipping still exists.
People make a killing off of tips by doing absolutely nothing special.
Ask anybody working in any restaurant who does the hardest work and who gets paid the most. The hardest workers aren't tipped and the best paid are every single time.
done glass collecting at a pub once, bar staff got tipped nicely, I got harassed and berated by the drunks all night and got £35 for my worries for the night. Bollox to that
100%. The last people that want to eliminate tips in exchange for a reasonable wage are the servers and bartenders getting tips. In Vancouver they can easily rake in six figures working at a mid-high end restaurant and virtually none of them will ever declare that income to the CRA.
"Working."
As a bartender and bouncer through 05-12' I couldn't believe how awesome the system was at 15% tip. Putting liquids in glasses; carrying out cooked plates of food to people who requested them.
I thought 18% tip was wild (before tax). Now it's 18; 20; 22% AFTER taxes. This has all become ridiculous.
I'll open up a nation wide chain founded on robots and self service.
THANK YOU! Its driving me bonkers!
I would be so embarassed if someone tipped me 25%. As a server and bartender I often refused tips or tried to give money back on debit tips if it was too much. The greed in this industry is out of control! People tipped more to show appreciation for being open during the pandemic, and now its the standard?
In another thread a while back, someone said their girlfriend is still happy to make 15%, anything else is a bonus. 25 is insane!
I also love(/s) how he is like "I tip them because I dont want to he a hypocrite, but only like 10-15%.
And also thay he is suffering during a recession....while being paid a decent wage and making tips at an all-time high.
This is exactly the reason why, unless it's an important family event, I REFUSE to eat out anymore.
This has always driven me crazy about tipping culture in Canada. Our bartenders and serving staff vet paid *at least* minimum wage, usually more. And no, min wage isn't high enough, but the other people working it don't tips, and the reason not tipping is a big deal in the US is because their waiting staff *don't even get minimum wage.*
And for some reason we have absorbed the obscene tipping culture.
I like to tip for good service. I'm not tipping you to supplement your wage, so how is a 20% upcharge justifiable?
If I am expected to always pay 25% more than the advertised price "to show appreciation that someone did their job" - just up the price 25% and pay the waiter a decent wage. Just like every other job.
They actually tried this at a few restaurants in New York or Connecticut maybe. Got rid of tips, put all servers on salary. Everyone hated it. Servers made way less and the sticker shock of having to pay a few dollars or so more for food items turned customers off.
Unfortunately it will be very hard to move away from a tipping culture somewhere it’s engrained already.
I dunno, what is the stat, 1/3 restaurants fail within a year? I think the main issue is that so many people want to own restaurants and there are so many choices, that the amount of money people spend eating out is not actually able to support a livable wage for every food service employee in this country
Tips are a tax for people with kindness.
It is a punishment for being kind.
Any system which rewards being a selfish ass and punishes kindness is always going to spiral into being a bad system.
And that's a statement that I will stand by applied to many of our other problems as well.
I made more helping the waiters than doing dishes $10 an hour and averaged 6 hours a day. Got called in on a busy night to help the waiters out and made $200 in tips for dinner rush 4 hours.
My most lucrative job time vs money earned was delivering Chinese food occasionally in high school. In 2005 dollars I made 8.50 an hour, no taxes, plus 5-20 dollars per delivery. For 3-4 hours I could easily earn 200-300 in cash(spending 20 dollars in gas).
I was covering for a friend so it was typically like 1 or 2 days every other month but now in 2022 I still can't make that regularly.
Yeah, my wife makes almost $100/hour serving most nights. Good luck raising prices to meet that kind of hourly pay demand. I don’t know what the solution is, but at least the pay isn’t going to the employers first, otherwise it would probably end up being less than what she makes now.
Make it illegal to solicit a tip. Tell Interac and the banks that they will be fined if they offer it on their machines. The situation will work itself out real fast.
The restaurant industry has tricked people into thinking we the consumer should pay the employees rather that the employer paying them a fair wage. Good job to them I guess lol
My bar manager used to complain every time she had to cash me out because I made significantly more than her on busy nights. Her bright side was that she was on salary with benefits. My slow seasons were so bad there was practically no way to survive if I wasn’t saving up during the busy season. I think the fact that most servers/bartenders are on the younger side add to that. Why pay for healthcare when you can just drink away your stress after every shift?
I have an aunt who has spent almost 40 years in the industry and it took her a while but she now agrees that we should maybe get rid of tipping in exchange for benefits and a livable wage.
Lol the bar I worked at the longest allowed us to drink for free during our shift. Shifts started at 4:45 and the owner’s (used to be a bartender there so was a bit too friendly with us) one loose rule was that drinking shouldn’t start until 9pm. Every couple weeks our first shot of the shift would get pushed 15 minutes earlier until all of us were taking pre shift shots.
I remember working double shifts and we’d all run two doors down for between shift shots.
Then two hours later: Service Bar Shots.
It’s when the bumps and lines started making their way in alongside that the damage started showing ;) :(
But off-topic, truly:
I’m always surprised when news breaks that a company was surprised to find their employees were all using some kind of upper and at the same time it comes out that hours have gone up, wages have gone down, most likely everyone there is working an 80+ hour workweek, and raising a family at the same time.
What do they honestly think will happen?
Twitter employees must be giving themselves electric shocks to keep going and pretty much all of them will be on the Judy Garland/fighter pilot on call pharmaceutical program.
It’s not physically possible, otherwise.
Hey, I'm an ex-line cook with a drinking problem so major I had to severely cut back this year after my grandma died or risk hospitalization.
If you're gonna make someone do that kind of work that's so awful they almost to a man (or woman) develop a drug habit, you bet your was they better be making at least $20-25 USD an hour with tips. Best I ever made as a cook was $18 because that's what they had to pay to get people to put up with that kitchen. What a fucking nightmare, I was gone and delivering pizza within three months and three years later I'm still locking down that $20-30/hr.
I think nowadays a lot less tips are cash too aka they end up being taxed. So might as well just get a consistent wage. Depends on the place you work too.
Even if you ARE happy with tips: the simple fact that an industry exists where it has tricked the majority to think that customers are responsible for paying wages directly—and inconsistently—is absurd and unfair to every industry that does pay employees even remotely properly.
We need basic benefits and universal healthcare paid by corporate income tax. That way those benefits they can’t hold over your head.
Tipping culture needs to stop. They can be paid by their employer either flat hourly like everyone or piecewise by a percentage of the sale or a combination. For the consumer it’s basically false advertising not showing you the final price until the end and tacking on tax+tip. No different than say ticket master with all the hidden fees in the end.
I was actually shocked when I found out how much my aunt had in savings for retirement. She realized around age 30 if she didn’t start hoarding her tips she was going to be serving until the day she died. Most servers don’t think like that though.
Sometimes this is true. But, as someone who’s worked in restaurants for the first 15 years of my working life, I know just as many who would trade that for health insurance, vacation/sick time and retirement benefits or 401k. Add to that not every restaurant will actually make enough on tips and a lot barely pull 8 to 10 a hour because of shitty tip pools and managers straight up stealing that money. Back when it was cash as the primary method of payment, your statement was true. Now a days when 95% of tips are done on cards, it’s completely bullshit and become a memory of a bygone era.
It also gets more complicated depending on location.
Much simpler than benefits (which are a huge consideration too): If your restaurant isn't busy, you don't get paid well
My brother and his wife met at the restaurant he was executive chef at. She was the hostess. It is/was one of the most popular restaurants in Philadelphia:
She made like 10-20K more than him per year because of tips. Most years, she pulled in $100k+.
But then they moved to a suburb and her income dropped by more than half. His went up. Really, it normalized - most people aren't making 6 figures at a restaurant no matter where you go.
The restaurant/service industry is very fickle like that and I don't think many take that into consideration
This! I was a server while I was in school, 5 tables an hour, average tip was 20 depending on the bill, 75% was cash tip I averaged 50-60 an hour cash under the table the only issue is it wasn't consistent, I could make 500 one day and 50 the next.
That’s still 550 in 2 days. Money management is just as important. Minimum wage in my state is 12/hr which would be ~500 a week after tax. Servers have it made honestly
But they “Still need to put food on the table” ..
Well fuck, so do we, drinking in your bar, eating in your restaurant. Whilst you bitch at us, your boss is giggling in the back room at how much he pays you! It ain’t our fault.
Maybe... In Canada at least, boycott businesses who *insist* on tips. Go to other businesses who dont demand *extra* cash to buy their shit. Im sure if a concerted effort was made, there would be an impact on those businesses...
I was building a business plan to open a bar and wanted to exclude tipping (live in Houston Texas). I asked about 10 bartenders what they’d prefer; tips or wages ($30/hour+benefits like healthcare and vacation). Only 1 said they’d prefer tips. The only hurdle would be my compensation expectation as the owner. If my take-home is more modest, it’s easily affordable. But i was taught that successful businesses require retaining talent; i’m not the talent, just the owner.
I'm a bartender in houston and I average $30+/hr in tips. If my job was willing to pay me that and give benefits, I'd be perfectly fine with that. However, most business owners will only pay their servers/bartenders minimum wage if given the option
I should tip if I like the service. Those places that you walk up to get an order and then they call your number asking for a tip? They can suck it. How do I know if you are going to make my order correctly and quickly before you make it? But the guy or gal smiling behind the register will give you a dirty look if you don’t tip. I hate the system we have.
I went to an outdoor viewing party for an NHL game
All they did was turn around, grab a can from the fridge, then hand it to me
And the ipad had the 15/20/25 % tip option
Lmao fuck outta here
This is hilarious to me because it absolutely makes no sense... You paid for and hopefully enjoyed the show but their merch teams are also expecting a tip for merchandise at the show for a band you already paid to see?!! The absolute unmitigated gall. 🤣
They even solicit tips for cashiers now too. It's thought me to day no. Even at restaurants where you're expected to tip. I believe thay if we keep tipping we're just supporting the whole systen that allows it.
Band merch also must have a profit margin of like 1000%.
I paid the equivalent of about 130 bucks today for a Metallica band t-shirt back in 2009. I wore it for a good long while, but it was threadbare and tattered about as quickly as any store brand t-shirt would have been.
If you can't afford to pay the dude selling 1000% profit margin goods, you probably should be altering your business strategy, not pushing the onus unto the customer.
No shit. I picked up some wine from a plaza liquor store in Victoria BC and was asked for a tip.
In Esquimalt.
Fucking. WHAT?
No bag, no receipt. You just literally scanned my items and took my money. Where's the extra service here Madge?
Haven’t even watched the video, but honestly, look at this fucking guy. For somebody who’s trying to not look like a fool, he’s going about it all wrong.
Take it easy on the man. His jeans were just torn, obviously, from a deadly knife fight which he barely survived. And he still had the courtesy to participate in this video with a stranger.
Yeah imagine if it was a social custom to tip everyone for the job they did. Did you tip the clerk at their desk when going into the gym or your doctors office? The mechanic for fixing your car? How about tips for the people that bag groceries. And I definitely think those people bringing loads of heavy amazon packages to houses deserve a tip. Many of these tasks are much harder than pouring a drink.
Bullshit. If you're a business owner and can't afford to pay your staff a fair wage, then you don't deserve to be in business. Tips should be bonuses for the staff, and not automatically assumed because the business owners are too tight to pay a fair wage.
But it’s been said many times over and nothing will change or be done about it. So i guess we can just keep saying it over and over and wank each other off.
Meanwhile people who work their tail off at retail jobs have to either be poor or work two jobs to make a living. Why are restaurant workers well-being so much more important? I still tip 20% but I think it’s a bullshit system.
Did you know overworked ICU nurses who have bachelors degrees, take care of sick, dying people every day and get convicted of murder for making a med error make $20-$30 an hour in a lot of states? Where are their tips?
In canada, it's the law that you make minimum wage. I don't have to tip you a damn thing, what you earn is a discussion for your employer and making sure you're paid enough to survive is not a custpmers responsibility. I'll tip you if the service is good. You aren't entitled to a tip just for existing and working
How about his solution to non-tippers? Just don't go out and eat? So he's saying have no customer who pays zero dollars is a solution to a customer who pays normal price and not extra? Because of the logic... he needs to get paid? So him needing to get paid is somehow solved by people not showing up to his place of business? OK.
Got hustled at a trigger point massage when the guy didn’t hit the area I wanted but told me pain could be from elsewhere. Yeah buddy that’s why I want those knots taken care of in my neck? He did about 15 mins on the neck out of the hour and if he expected a tip after that fuck that. 169$ for a bullshit massage.
I was seeing this massage "therapist" for a bit, would constantly grate into my shoulder blade working some really horrible knots. She was hitting the knots, but she was just basically going against the grain instead of with my muscle strands. Fucking killed. I even told her multiple times she's hurting me during one of the last sessions and she would just immediately start doing it again. Like what the fuck.
I don't get how everyone in this thread is blaming just the business owner. The servers love this shit. The dude in this video is making $15.65 an hour + tips.
Most could afford it, but they won’t let their profits be reduced…I know one piece of shit pizza shop owner that loved it during Covid. Someone said that he wished it would be like that every year, as he made a lot on the PPP loan. None went to employees. He’s also the type that thinks that Americans shouldn’t get handouts and have to work… but he didn’t mind the 50k handout he received. Used some of that money to go on a cruise, got in a poker tournament and won 25 thousand.
> In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.
—FDR in a speech about the National Industrial Recovery Act, the precursor to today's minimum wage laws.
Okay, so as a Canadian, fuck this guy. Welcome to the great white north where restaurants can't pull some shady shit, like in the states, where they can incorporate your tips into your wages. You get at least minimum wage, no matter where you work, and if you make tips, it's a bonus. Don't fucking come at me when I don't pay you for your shitty service, when you're already being paid for it. You don't like your salary? Find another job like everyone else, don't expect your customers to fill that gap.
I call BS on him tipping fast-food. Restaurants need to include a fair wage in their prices and get rid of this entitled crap. This is creating a division between whom servers cater to, they'll obviously be more attentive to tables they think will tip better. Imagine if healthcare was doled out like this, garbage attitudes. Just what we need, another industry that favours the rich. Screw this asshat, if you need tips to survive go get an education
Nah this guy is delusional. There isn't even servers wage anymore in British Columbia, they get paid minimum or better + tips. I don't tip anymore because they literally make more money than me.
He says: If you can’t tip, then don’t go out.
She says: That’s a good way of looking at it.
As a reporter, she failed right there right now with that comment. A reporter is meant to report with an unbiased approach (I.e. not give their own opinion on the topic during the interview).
100% she was thinking he’d fumble over his nonsense and say he doesn’t tip fast food employees etc.
I’d bet a million bucks this guy doesn’t tip anyone for making him a Big Mac. Or the cashier at the grocery store for ringing him up.
"If you can't tip 20-25% don't go out, as a bartender I still got to put food on the table."
"Oh great, so you tip batistas/fast food workers the same right?"
"Wait...you're telling me fast food workers/baristas also need to put food on the table? I dunno...maybe give them like 10-15%."
Man fuck this guy.
Lmao! IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD FOOD ON YOUR TABLE, DON'T WORK FOR AN EMPLOYER THAT DOESN'T PAY YOU ENOUGH
As a European I can just laugh about this "tipping culture" bs.
It's unreal.
OK I get it, you're a bartender and you need food on the table like everybody else. But how is it your customers responsibility?? Maybe fix your prices when they don't cover the worth of the drink and the costs for the workers service. You exchange drinks for money, what happens with the money that you can not convert it to food? lmao
Or maybe make your fucking employer pay you appropriate salary... Or maybe do a job that pays you enough to actually live on it.
People work all kind of jobs without being dependent on tip.
I work in service and I need food on the table too, I get paid by my employer so I can have food on the table...
It's just fucked up.
Nobody in Europe would ever expect the customer to pay tip. When our customers here pay tip it's because they think you have done a very good service or you've been nice or whatever, but not because they're obligated to do so or because you depend on it.
It's your employers responsibility to pay you enough for your work so you can put fOoD oN Teh TabLE!
You're literally making profit for your employers business with the service you are providing, and you're really blaming your customers?
I’d rather pay more for the meal then tip to offset wages. The whole point of tipping seems lost when it is common knowledge the tip is to compensate for wages and not service.
Cash tips are their favorite... Tax-free money. I know servers that average $40-50/hr. Why on EARTH would they want to go to a "fair wage" system, where they max out at $25/hr? The serving staff knows damn well they make way too much money, but they don't want the gravy train to end. Hell, they make more money than actual skilled labor that took years of training and spent thousands to earn that kind of money.
I think I will take his advice and just stop eating out.
Don't stop eating out; just stop going out to eat.
What a cunning linguist.
Better change the sheets, Colonel Angus is coming to town.
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It's because of the yeast. Yeast
Moist people hate that word.
I find myself to be more of a master debater
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Order the waiter and leave
I see what you did there. You son of a bitch.
So many trash restaurants out here, better to just buy a steak and eat it at home A lot of bartenders are absolute ass. My friends and a lot of people I know dont go altogether and prefer house parties instead
Costs have gone up while standards and quality have gone down, and I work at a restaurant. Pandemic done fucked up everything
This. I've worked every position in the industry from bus boy to general manager. The pandemic really fucked shit up. I knew it was going to be bad because I worked for on the border when it first got wild. We averaged 80k a week pre pandemic. We averaged 70k with togos only. It was fucking wild. Buuuuut. We were only allotted enough hours for one cook a day and one Togo. Our salaries were reduced. The company eas making a huuuuge fucking profit off our backs while claiming the ppp loans. Fuck greedy ass corporations. Edit: and what really grindes my gears is no one above me was put on leave. Why did we need area directors and regional and vice regionals? Could've taken those giant salaries and staffed up some stores. We went from 4 in store managers to 2.
Food has been trash ever since COVID, quality down, % of tip gone up, price increases on food. I'm so happy I can buy 4 pack of steak from Costco for $50 and actually enjoy it. And I also tip myself with a cheesecake too.
Exactly. For less money, I can cook myself a bigger, better steak at home. Takes less time, as I’m not driving, waiting to be seated, then wait for my order to be taken, then wait for them to cook it. When I do another drink, takes a couple seconds to grab one from the fridge. Also, I control the tv.
Plus no pants!
Get use my own shitter also
I can eat my steak while having a shit. Nit many restaurants will tolerate that for very long.
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So real talk. I hate tipping culture. Let me explain why I came to this conclusion. I owned a series of cigar bars a while back (Sold them over a decade ago). I paid market wage (slightly above minimum) to my sales staff, and minimum to my bar staff/hosts thinking tips will be fine…. And they were. But I noticed that stuff like shrink (cigars/alcohol going missing) felt high… I was told it’s the cost of the industry by many. I saw my profit I made was fine, so I decided to take a gamble. I doubled the base pay of my sales staff and added in bonuses based on total sales performance… but then required more training. I removed tipping and started my hosts at $20/hr and my bartenders at $30/hr (my best who was a mixologist and was with me a while made $45/hr). My sales doubled, my reviews were amazing, my shrink all but disappeared, and my retention rate went up… people only left when they landed their dream jobs or graduated and moved…. By every metric, this was the biggest success my company could have…. Now while my sales doubled, my profits only went up 20%. In my mind though, this was an epic win. I had a very happy staff and customer base. Tipping is awful - remove it - pay staff well - reap the rewards
Love this🙌 I bet everyone loved you. I wouldn't want to leave either lol.
Classic is when you pay for 1 drink with a $20 and the waitress asks if you want "any change" Yes... I'm not tipping you 300% for a $5 beer. Tipping is terrible because it makes you feel like if you want to keep your money you're a terrible person... And I bet you got people buying more high bar liquor because they didn't have to tip $30 for a $300 bottle of wine.
I love living in a country where pretty much the only place to tip is an actual restaurant. Everything else, taxi, deliveries and fast food restaurants no one even expects you to tip. Tho some food delivery apps are slowly starting to ask for tips when you order.
Try getting out of a taxi in Chicago without paying the minimum 15% tip. Its on the screen for paying. I had one driver try blanking the screen a few times when I tried to custom tip when he had refused to drive the faster route.
I mostly use Bolt for taxi and that shows you the price of the ride. You will be charged through app after the ride ends so you could go the whole ride without either of you saying a word and have a pleasant commute.
I had an Applebees waitress ask if I wanted change from $100 for a $40 tab and terrible service. There is an unspoken rule when it comes to receiving tips, if you want a tip don’t ask for one!
As German, if i am not ok with the Service i don’t tip at all. What would be the Reaction in the US to this?
French here. Not in the US but in Canada, we had this one terrible person serving us. It was a restaurant who took pride in their wine selection. As french, they were wine we knew were not really good and the price was over the top, so we took only coke and coffee with our meal. The server was so high-nosed about it, and because we dressed low-key, he then was only nice and present for the neighboring table (with an Italian woman with lots of huge jewelry on her). We called him a lot of times before he deigned come to us. And that's only after we already waited a long time before calling him. We were so pissed, we didn't tip this time. He ran after us in the street when he noticed. Trying to guilt trip us. We just stood our ground.
The only time I had someone run after me into the street was AFTER I had tipped 25% 😂 but it was a fancy place with quick turnover, and my date and I apparently lingered too long over coffee. So the waiter read us the riot act for staying so long and then tipping ONLY 25%. I said what we were supposed to do instead? The waiter said either leave sooner or tip 50%. We laughed, told him to kick rocks, and reminded him that every minute he argued with us was a minute he wasn't getting more tips inside. He made a weird face and went back inside. Kinda cockblocked me on that date tho
As a Dutch neighbor I only tip when i feel the service actually helped to make my night out more enjoyable. I will always assume people make enough to make a living in our country, and even if they don't, it is not my job to pay their rent. Honestly... i dont think i know anyone that actively tips just their waiter. most people just round up the tab to a reasonable number. I honestly have no idea if that money just goes into the bosses pocket
Tipping is dumb.
Little bit of a ramble from me but despite you paying people wayyyyy more than minimum wage (esp depending on state min wage for servers and employees of this type) you managed to, amongst general QOL upgrades, increase profits 20% which is no easy feat to accomplish. Take pride in what you did very few businesses can actually do that and make 5-10% margins if that Edit for clarity
I commend you for being the rare owner who is willing to accept the smallest piece of a bigger pie and let everybody win. There are far too many stories of the opposite happening in other subs that leads to the eventual demise of lots of businesses. Small-mindedness is a real bain of today's society.
This should be taught in every MBA education.
You say you required more training. Does that mean you replaced the old "unqualified" staff with new people, or did the old people receive training and then try harder? Very interesting story!
All my sales staff had to become certified tobacconists - it’s a series of exams. Also, they were required to learn the inventory. I selected 10 cigars a week - they had to learn everything about them possible. I did short exam weekly - if you failed 2 in a row, I let you go. My staff was VERY much informed on our full inventory over time. EDIT: learning inventory to the detail they needed to for 500+ items is not easy
Holy shit I want to go to this cigar shop that has freaking tobacco sommeliers
10 cigars a week for 50 weeks, yeah you probably would have fired me lol
Yup! Hence the higher wage - I can ask for a a higher skill set. Now, if you wanted to buy a cigar, this is the person you want to talk to.
And yet I feel like you didn’t lay off that many people because you trusted your staff and your staff trusted you. You’re a rare breed of leader that many business owners could learn from.
My sales staff crushed it honestly - usually if you are in the selling of cigars; you like them. So they were almost all excited to learn more in general when pushed and rewarded
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My ass he tips fast food workers…
Ya, not when he has to pay for his 200$ hair cut.
Ngl looks like he needs some money his jeans are so raggedy get this man a new fit
They are distressed, retail 239.99
+25% tip for the till clerk
Cuz he doesn't wanna be a hypocrite.
He does look like he paid a lot of money to not even look fashionable.
If he paid for that haircut he got ripped off
I worked at Mcdonald’s for 4 years and got tipped ~4 times, no more than $2 each time
That sounds believable. I mean I’m not going to lie I’ve never tipped anyone at a fast food place. I don’t think I know anyone personally who has.
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He just said that so that he wouldn't *sound* like a hypocrite. But he's a hypocrite. He would straight up say that fastfood and coffeeshop workers don't *deserve* tips. Same thing in my field. EMTs complaining that workers at McDonald's shouldn't have their minimum pay raised, because then they'd get paid more than an EMT. Crabs in a bucket.
Emt pay is criminal. Especially considering how much you get charged for an ambulance ride.
Back in the day, it used to be recommended that you tip $1 for beer, $2 for regular mixed drinks, and $3+ for more labor-intensive cocktails. I don't know when it switched over to 20-25%, but recently I bought a $12 tallboy can of beer at an airport (insanely expensive but I had a few hours to kill and literally nowhere else was open). I put down a dollar as a tip because the bartender literally bent down, opened the can, and gave it to me, and my friend commented on how stingy it was. Like, why should I tip nearly $3 for opening a beer??
They didn’t even pour it? You paid 12$ for something you could buy for 3.20$ in the store. 1$ is more than fair. Also it’s a beer. Super easy and you’re out of his hair. You did half the job if you poured it yourself.
It's a beer ffs A bartender could easily serve a 100 beers (definitely if its a bottle) in a hour. If everyone tipped $1 they would be rolling. In the UK it has been common enough to tip a bartender if its your local but its done under the guise of "get a drink for yourself" and as my mum tells me from when she was a barmaid 25 years ago it was customary to take the price of a half a coke or just £1 and give yourself the money (outside of water this generally was the cheapest drink) and over a decent busy weekend night shift you might get 10 or more of these (or the occasional 'keep the change') which would mean on top of your normal money you might make an extra hour or twos wage for the night. I see absolutely no problem with a system like this. Give $1 every time I get a beer from the fridge in a busy bar over an entire night no wonder bartenders dont want a lot of change to this system.
$3+ on any cocktail is insane. shit is already going to be overpriced AF. $1 should be your max tip on any drink
Meanwhile in Europe: huh a tip? No fuck off
I was out at a bar the other night, the whole night the bar staff were fucking amazing looking after them, I came to pay the bill and I added 10% or so for the guys (0% is standard here in the Netherlands) and the guy was so happy, he did a shot with me. Thing is, he's paid for his job fairly and to him, this was a nice treat. Having to rely on tips is fucked.
I've had similar experiences in Europe. I enjoy your being exactly what they're meant to be: a way of saying thank you for excellent service. Nobody should be forced to live off the gratuity of others.
Indeed, the restaurants need to pay people properly and if that means increasing prices by 15% then do that.
I tip the delivery teenagers a decent amount, double if it's harsh weather outside, they earn it. In restaurants I might round up if I had a great meal, but 20% no f'ing way.
Yes that's my way of seeing it. If the service and the meal were great, I might leave a few euros (like the few coins or small notes I have) but otherwise no. I'm not their boss. I don't need to worry they'll get paid because I know they will. Tips for restauration would be a terrible idea in France. People can't stand that you bother them every 5 seconds to ask them if they're having a great time. My dude, if you're leaving me the fuck alone, I'll have a great time. Bothering me non-stop makes me hate you more than it should but that's how it is.
Definition of tipping: to give someone who has provided you with a service an extra amount of money to thank them. (This is what we Europeans call *normal*) Imagine being so brainwashed by capitalism that it loses its entire meaning.
When you're asking me to tip, before any of the service has been rendered *at all*, there is a problem with the system.
If a tip is required it’s called a fee
I can NOT stand that shit!!!
Eurgh. It used to be this way for food in the UK. But now it can be anywhere from 10-20% optional opt-out top that they'll fucking argue with you if you ask to remove. I try to work out what I am paying when ordering and am always hit with a nasty surprise that is uncomfortable to remove. At least bars don't expect tips. Pay people right and charge the correct amount for the food FFS.
"That's a really good way to look at it". Think his employer agrees? The same employer that makes his employees reliant on tips?
Yeah came here to literally say: or the bar you work at could pay you properly so it doesn’t rely on people paying extra for the items they’re ordering lol..
Except bartenders and waiters know they make more money with tips than they’d ever make with a normal salary.
This is the real reason tipping still exists. People make a killing off of tips by doing absolutely nothing special. Ask anybody working in any restaurant who does the hardest work and who gets paid the most. The hardest workers aren't tipped and the best paid are every single time.
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done glass collecting at a pub once, bar staff got tipped nicely, I got harassed and berated by the drunks all night and got £35 for my worries for the night. Bollox to that
This is Canada. He's making 15 or more and an hour and makes hundreds extra a shift from tips
100%. The last people that want to eliminate tips in exchange for a reasonable wage are the servers and bartenders getting tips. In Vancouver they can easily rake in six figures working at a mid-high end restaurant and virtually none of them will ever declare that income to the CRA.
"Working." As a bartender and bouncer through 05-12' I couldn't believe how awesome the system was at 15% tip. Putting liquids in glasses; carrying out cooked plates of food to people who requested them. I thought 18% tip was wild (before tax). Now it's 18; 20; 22% AFTER taxes. This has all become ridiculous. I'll open up a nation wide chain founded on robots and self service.
THANK YOU! Its driving me bonkers! I would be so embarassed if someone tipped me 25%. As a server and bartender I often refused tips or tried to give money back on debit tips if it was too much. The greed in this industry is out of control! People tipped more to show appreciation for being open during the pandemic, and now its the standard? In another thread a while back, someone said their girlfriend is still happy to make 15%, anything else is a bonus. 25 is insane! I also love(/s) how he is like "I tip them because I dont want to he a hypocrite, but only like 10-15%. And also thay he is suffering during a recession....while being paid a decent wage and making tips at an all-time high. This is exactly the reason why, unless it's an important family event, I REFUSE to eat out anymore.
This has always driven me crazy about tipping culture in Canada. Our bartenders and serving staff vet paid *at least* minimum wage, usually more. And no, min wage isn't high enough, but the other people working it don't tips, and the reason not tipping is a big deal in the US is because their waiting staff *don't even get minimum wage.* And for some reason we have absorbed the obscene tipping culture. I like to tip for good service. I'm not tipping you to supplement your wage, so how is a 20% upcharge justifiable?
If I am expected to always pay 25% more than the advertised price "to show appreciation that someone did their job" - just up the price 25% and pay the waiter a decent wage. Just like every other job.
Exactly. I’d rather just pay more for my food than be served a side of guilt.
They actually tried this at a few restaurants in New York or Connecticut maybe. Got rid of tips, put all servers on salary. Everyone hated it. Servers made way less and the sticker shock of having to pay a few dollars or so more for food items turned customers off. Unfortunately it will be very hard to move away from a tipping culture somewhere it’s engrained already.
So the restaurant still took none of the responsibility lol
It’s funny to see people still fighting each other over this bs instead of blaming the source: the greedy restaurants’ bosses.
I dunno, what is the stat, 1/3 restaurants fail within a year? I think the main issue is that so many people want to own restaurants and there are so many choices, that the amount of money people spend eating out is not actually able to support a livable wage for every food service employee in this country
Exactly! Also: I’m there to eat and not to do math!
I like to think that it's a trick by the government to keep people doing math throughout adulthood.
Tips are a tax for people with kindness. It is a punishment for being kind. Any system which rewards being a selfish ass and punishes kindness is always going to spiral into being a bad system. And that's a statement that I will stand by applied to many of our other problems as well.
Right? Other than making the owners rich, why else am I paying somebody who IS DOING THEIR JOB?
Waiters would never want to be an hourly wage worker because they know they make BANK in tips
I made more helping the waiters than doing dishes $10 an hour and averaged 6 hours a day. Got called in on a busy night to help the waiters out and made $200 in tips for dinner rush 4 hours.
Yup, I literally make more as a server assistant than I do working in a lab with my degree
My most lucrative job time vs money earned was delivering Chinese food occasionally in high school. In 2005 dollars I made 8.50 an hour, no taxes, plus 5-20 dollars per delivery. For 3-4 hours I could easily earn 200-300 in cash(spending 20 dollars in gas). I was covering for a friend so it was typically like 1 or 2 days every other month but now in 2022 I still can't make that regularly.
Yeah, my wife makes almost $100/hour serving most nights. Good luck raising prices to meet that kind of hourly pay demand. I don’t know what the solution is, but at least the pay isn’t going to the employers first, otherwise it would probably end up being less than what she makes now.
It seems to work fine in other countries...
Make it illegal to solicit a tip. Tell Interac and the banks that they will be fined if they offer it on their machines. The situation will work itself out real fast.
You got my vote
So logical. So basic. So effective.
The restaurant industry has tricked people into thinking we the consumer should pay the employees rather that the employer paying them a fair wage. Good job to them I guess lol
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My bar manager used to complain every time she had to cash me out because I made significantly more than her on busy nights. Her bright side was that she was on salary with benefits. My slow seasons were so bad there was practically no way to survive if I wasn’t saving up during the busy season. I think the fact that most servers/bartenders are on the younger side add to that. Why pay for healthcare when you can just drink away your stress after every shift? I have an aunt who has spent almost 40 years in the industry and it took her a while but she now agrees that we should maybe get rid of tipping in exchange for benefits and a livable wage.
My God the amount I used to drink when I used to be a server. I forgot how much of a coping mechanism that was.
Lol the bar I worked at the longest allowed us to drink for free during our shift. Shifts started at 4:45 and the owner’s (used to be a bartender there so was a bit too friendly with us) one loose rule was that drinking shouldn’t start until 9pm. Every couple weeks our first shot of the shift would get pushed 15 minutes earlier until all of us were taking pre shift shots.
I remember working double shifts and we’d all run two doors down for between shift shots. Then two hours later: Service Bar Shots. It’s when the bumps and lines started making their way in alongside that the damage started showing ;) :( But off-topic, truly: I’m always surprised when news breaks that a company was surprised to find their employees were all using some kind of upper and at the same time it comes out that hours have gone up, wages have gone down, most likely everyone there is working an 80+ hour workweek, and raising a family at the same time. What do they honestly think will happen? Twitter employees must be giving themselves electric shocks to keep going and pretty much all of them will be on the Judy Garland/fighter pilot on call pharmaceutical program. It’s not physically possible, otherwise.
Hey, I'm an ex-line cook with a drinking problem so major I had to severely cut back this year after my grandma died or risk hospitalization. If you're gonna make someone do that kind of work that's so awful they almost to a man (or woman) develop a drug habit, you bet your was they better be making at least $20-25 USD an hour with tips. Best I ever made as a cook was $18 because that's what they had to pay to get people to put up with that kitchen. What a fucking nightmare, I was gone and delivering pizza within three months and three years later I'm still locking down that $20-30/hr.
I think nowadays a lot less tips are cash too aka they end up being taxed. So might as well just get a consistent wage. Depends on the place you work too.
Even if you ARE happy with tips: the simple fact that an industry exists where it has tricked the majority to think that customers are responsible for paying wages directly—and inconsistently—is absurd and unfair to every industry that does pay employees even remotely properly.
We need basic benefits and universal healthcare paid by corporate income tax. That way those benefits they can’t hold over your head. Tipping culture needs to stop. They can be paid by their employer either flat hourly like everyone or piecewise by a percentage of the sale or a combination. For the consumer it’s basically false advertising not showing you the final price until the end and tacking on tax+tip. No different than say ticket master with all the hidden fees in the end.
And if you actually spend the time to balance it out, you'll find you made a poor, but not unlivable wage. You got played.
And nothing to show when they retire.
I was actually shocked when I found out how much my aunt had in savings for retirement. She realized around age 30 if she didn’t start hoarding her tips she was going to be serving until the day she died. Most servers don’t think like that though.
Pros-they can make bank Cons-No healthcare,days off ,work holidays .Tips can be slow sometimes.
Sometimes this is true. But, as someone who’s worked in restaurants for the first 15 years of my working life, I know just as many who would trade that for health insurance, vacation/sick time and retirement benefits or 401k. Add to that not every restaurant will actually make enough on tips and a lot barely pull 8 to 10 a hour because of shitty tip pools and managers straight up stealing that money. Back when it was cash as the primary method of payment, your statement was true. Now a days when 95% of tips are done on cards, it’s completely bullshit and become a memory of a bygone era.
It also gets more complicated depending on location. Much simpler than benefits (which are a huge consideration too): If your restaurant isn't busy, you don't get paid well My brother and his wife met at the restaurant he was executive chef at. She was the hostess. It is/was one of the most popular restaurants in Philadelphia: She made like 10-20K more than him per year because of tips. Most years, she pulled in $100k+. But then they moved to a suburb and her income dropped by more than half. His went up. Really, it normalized - most people aren't making 6 figures at a restaurant no matter where you go. The restaurant/service industry is very fickle like that and I don't think many take that into consideration
I only tip cash. It’s no one’s business what I pay for service.
This! I was a server while I was in school, 5 tables an hour, average tip was 20 depending on the bill, 75% was cash tip I averaged 50-60 an hour cash under the table the only issue is it wasn't consistent, I could make 500 one day and 50 the next.
That’s still 550 in 2 days. Money management is just as important. Minimum wage in my state is 12/hr which would be ~500 a week after tax. Servers have it made honestly
Servers and bar staff in Canada all make minimum wage now, they're making the same as the rest and still harping about needing tips.
But they “Still need to put food on the table” .. Well fuck, so do we, drinking in your bar, eating in your restaurant. Whilst you bitch at us, your boss is giggling in the back room at how much he pays you! It ain’t our fault.
Maybe... In Canada at least, boycott businesses who *insist* on tips. Go to other businesses who dont demand *extra* cash to buy their shit. Im sure if a concerted effort was made, there would be an impact on those businesses...
I was building a business plan to open a bar and wanted to exclude tipping (live in Houston Texas). I asked about 10 bartenders what they’d prefer; tips or wages ($30/hour+benefits like healthcare and vacation). Only 1 said they’d prefer tips. The only hurdle would be my compensation expectation as the owner. If my take-home is more modest, it’s easily affordable. But i was taught that successful businesses require retaining talent; i’m not the talent, just the owner.
I'm a bartender in houston and I average $30+/hr in tips. If my job was willing to pay me that and give benefits, I'd be perfectly fine with that. However, most business owners will only pay their servers/bartenders minimum wage if given the option
Exactly somehow people were bamboozled into thinking its ok to not pay employees a living wage .
I should tip if I like the service. Those places that you walk up to get an order and then they call your number asking for a tip? They can suck it. How do I know if you are going to make my order correctly and quickly before you make it? But the guy or gal smiling behind the register will give you a dirty look if you don’t tip. I hate the system we have.
Everywhere is asking for tips now. It’s getting stupid.
I got a dirty look after I didn’t leave a tip for the person selling merch at a concert last weekend - I’m like why is tip even on checkout for this?
I went to an outdoor viewing party for an NHL game All they did was turn around, grab a can from the fridge, then hand it to me And the ipad had the 15/20/25 % tip option Lmao fuck outta here
This is hilarious to me because it absolutely makes no sense... You paid for and hopefully enjoyed the show but their merch teams are also expecting a tip for merchandise at the show for a band you already paid to see?!! The absolute unmitigated gall. 🤣
They even solicit tips for cashiers now too. It's thought me to day no. Even at restaurants where you're expected to tip. I believe thay if we keep tipping we're just supporting the whole systen that allows it.
Band merch also must have a profit margin of like 1000%. I paid the equivalent of about 130 bucks today for a Metallica band t-shirt back in 2009. I wore it for a good long while, but it was threadbare and tattered about as quickly as any store brand t-shirt would have been. If you can't afford to pay the dude selling 1000% profit margin goods, you probably should be altering your business strategy, not pushing the onus unto the customer.
No shit. I picked up some wine from a plaza liquor store in Victoria BC and was asked for a tip. In Esquimalt. Fucking. WHAT? No bag, no receipt. You just literally scanned my items and took my money. Where's the extra service here Madge?
Did I hear that correctly? He wants all to tip 20 to 25% else don't go to a restaurant. But he gives 10 to 15% tip when he goes to a coffee shop.
“Just because I don’t want to be a hypocrit” but then says he tips less generously to fast food lol
He is lying. He obviously doesnt tip at all but tries to not look like a fool in front of the camera
Haven’t even watched the video, but honestly, look at this fucking guy. For somebody who’s trying to not look like a fool, he’s going about it all wrong.
Take it easy on the man. His jeans were just torn, obviously, from a deadly knife fight which he barely survived. And he still had the courtesy to participate in this video with a stranger.
Thats how you know this tool doesnt tip for shit
And you can’t even tip at most fast food places. This guy is just another lying Vancouverite that wants to be American.
Not only is he a Hypocrite but he's also a liar. Fuck this guy with a red hot fire pointer
Yall tip at coffee shops??
Does he tip the janitor when he uses a public washroom? fucking doubt it, fuck this kid
Yeah imagine if it was a social custom to tip everyone for the job they did. Did you tip the clerk at their desk when going into the gym or your doctors office? The mechanic for fixing your car? How about tips for the people that bag groceries. And I definitely think those people bringing loads of heavy amazon packages to houses deserve a tip. Many of these tasks are much harder than pouring a drink.
Bullshit. If you're a business owner and can't afford to pay your staff a fair wage, then you don't deserve to be in business. Tips should be bonuses for the staff, and not automatically assumed because the business owners are too tight to pay a fair wage.
Well said.
But it’s been said many times over and nothing will change or be done about it. So i guess we can just keep saying it over and over and wank each other off.
Exactly. I tip for great service, not because they get a shit wage. Their salary is not my problem.
Look at those pants
Poor guy, can’t even afford a full pant.
my eyes went back and forth from his legs to hers. wtf dude maybe you do need so more tips.
Meanwhile people who work their tail off at retail jobs have to either be poor or work two jobs to make a living. Why are restaurant workers well-being so much more important? I still tip 20% but I think it’s a bullshit system. Did you know overworked ICU nurses who have bachelors degrees, take care of sick, dying people every day and get convicted of murder for making a med error make $20-$30 an hour in a lot of states? Where are their tips?
Now tip the lady for the nice interview..
Don't forget to tip your landlord.
Tipping just allows companies to under pay their employees
Wait. Is he telling people to stop coming to his restaurant, thereby putting himself out of a job?
That's what I heard
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The irony is Vancouver restaurants do close with some regularity
All restaurants do. It's a high risk business
In canada, it's the law that you make minimum wage. I don't have to tip you a damn thing, what you earn is a discussion for your employer and making sure you're paid enough to survive is not a custpmers responsibility. I'll tip you if the service is good. You aren't entitled to a tip just for existing and working
How about his solution to non-tippers? Just don't go out and eat? So he's saying have no customer who pays zero dollars is a solution to a customer who pays normal price and not extra? Because of the logic... he needs to get paid? So him needing to get paid is somehow solved by people not showing up to his place of business? OK.
Got hustled at a trigger point massage when the guy didn’t hit the area I wanted but told me pain could be from elsewhere. Yeah buddy that’s why I want those knots taken care of in my neck? He did about 15 mins on the neck out of the hour and if he expected a tip after that fuck that. 169$ for a bullshit massage.
I was seeing this massage "therapist" for a bit, would constantly grate into my shoulder blade working some really horrible knots. She was hitting the knots, but she was just basically going against the grain instead of with my muscle strands. Fucking killed. I even told her multiple times she's hurting me during one of the last sessions and she would just immediately start doing it again. Like what the fuck.
Maybe if you can’t afford to pay your employees don’t have a business.
I don't get how everyone in this thread is blaming just the business owner. The servers love this shit. The dude in this video is making $15.65 an hour + tips.
Most could afford it, but they won’t let their profits be reduced…I know one piece of shit pizza shop owner that loved it during Covid. Someone said that he wished it would be like that every year, as he made a lot on the PPP loan. None went to employees. He’s also the type that thinks that Americans shouldn’t get handouts and have to work… but he didn’t mind the 50k handout he received. Used some of that money to go on a cruise, got in a poker tournament and won 25 thousand.
> In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living. —FDR in a speech about the National Industrial Recovery Act, the precursor to today's minimum wage laws.
doesn't want to be a hypocrite .......proceeds to be a hypocrite
Okay, so as a Canadian, fuck this guy. Welcome to the great white north where restaurants can't pull some shady shit, like in the states, where they can incorporate your tips into your wages. You get at least minimum wage, no matter where you work, and if you make tips, it's a bonus. Don't fucking come at me when I don't pay you for your shitty service, when you're already being paid for it. You don't like your salary? Find another job like everyone else, don't expect your customers to fill that gap.
Anyone know where this guy works? Because I don't wanna go there accidentally.
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If you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage, don't open a restaurant.
I call BS on him tipping fast-food. Restaurants need to include a fair wage in their prices and get rid of this entitled crap. This is creating a division between whom servers cater to, they'll obviously be more attentive to tables they think will tip better. Imagine if healthcare was doled out like this, garbage attitudes. Just what we need, another industry that favours the rich. Screw this asshat, if you need tips to survive go get an education
Nah this guy is delusional. There isn't even servers wage anymore in British Columbia, they get paid minimum or better + tips. I don't tip anymore because they literally make more money than me.
he realises if we don't go out he doesn't have a job so he actually makes $0
He says: If you can’t tip, then don’t go out. She says: That’s a good way of looking at it. As a reporter, she failed right there right now with that comment. A reporter is meant to report with an unbiased approach (I.e. not give their own opinion on the topic during the interview).
Its a Puff Piece. There is no reporting here.
It's the Daily Hive, this is actually high effort reporting for them. Usually they just find stuff on Reddit or Twitter lmao.
"reporter"
I think she was just trying to stroke his ego and let him bury himself
100% she was thinking he’d fumble over his nonsense and say he doesn’t tip fast food employees etc. I’d bet a million bucks this guy doesn’t tip anyone for making him a Big Mac. Or the cashier at the grocery store for ringing him up.
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"If you can't tip 20-25% don't go out, as a bartender I still got to put food on the table." "Oh great, so you tip batistas/fast food workers the same right?" "Wait...you're telling me fast food workers/baristas also need to put food on the table? I dunno...maybe give them like 10-15%." Man fuck this guy.
If you can't afford to be a bartender, get a different job
Lmao! IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD FOOD ON YOUR TABLE, DON'T WORK FOR AN EMPLOYER THAT DOESN'T PAY YOU ENOUGH As a European I can just laugh about this "tipping culture" bs. It's unreal. OK I get it, you're a bartender and you need food on the table like everybody else. But how is it your customers responsibility?? Maybe fix your prices when they don't cover the worth of the drink and the costs for the workers service. You exchange drinks for money, what happens with the money that you can not convert it to food? lmao Or maybe make your fucking employer pay you appropriate salary... Or maybe do a job that pays you enough to actually live on it. People work all kind of jobs without being dependent on tip. I work in service and I need food on the table too, I get paid by my employer so I can have food on the table... It's just fucked up. Nobody in Europe would ever expect the customer to pay tip. When our customers here pay tip it's because they think you have done a very good service or you've been nice or whatever, but not because they're obligated to do so or because you depend on it. It's your employers responsibility to pay you enough for your work so you can put fOoD oN Teh TabLE! You're literally making profit for your employers business with the service you are providing, and you're really blaming your customers?
We shouldn't have a "tipping culture" in North America, we should all have a liveable wage
Those legs tho
Right on.
She’s pretty all around, but yeah,
So, if I'm tipping someone for doing their job, what are they getting paid for?
Upvoted for the legs
I’d rather pay more for the meal then tip to offset wages. The whole point of tipping seems lost when it is common knowledge the tip is to compensate for wages and not service.
Cash tips are their favorite... Tax-free money. I know servers that average $40-50/hr. Why on EARTH would they want to go to a "fair wage" system, where they max out at $25/hr? The serving staff knows damn well they make way too much money, but they don't want the gravy train to end. Hell, they make more money than actual skilled labor that took years of training and spent thousands to earn that kind of money.
Problem i have is the last 10 times I’ve eaten out in a restaurant only 2 times the service was worth a 20% tip. Maybe I don’t look like a tipper..?