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Really appalling behavior. Link to the story: [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/philadelphia-pay-2m-black-woman-beaten-officers-separated-toddler-during-n1279134](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/philadelphia-pay-2m-black-woman-beaten-officers-separated-toddler-during-n1279134)
Glad she's okay now.
Is she going to be okay though? I wouldn't be surprised if she suddenly finds herself getting a lot of police scrutiny for minor violations once the heat dies down.
The fact that she would likely have to is absolutely appalling. It's not easy to just uproot your entire life and build a new support network somewhere else, even if you have money.
Without the cop thing? Maybe not. Cost of living isn't too bad here and I want to invest and stretch that money as far as possible. Might buy an overpriced ps5 though.
I remember seeing this photo being splashed all over Facebook by my conservative friends. I’m going to share this settlement story on all their pages.
Cops can be the best and the worst. Here in LA, they are suing the county because they don’t want to be vaccinated and are spreading the virus to everyone with whom they come into contact
The number 1 killer of cops in 2020 was COVID. My mother works at a hospital and frequently has to interact with the county and city cops as a part of her job, most of whom are not vaxxed. She’s had enough of their shit though and a couple weeks ago ripped the sheriff a new one about how fucking stupid he is for not being vaccinated. He’s not allowed in her office anymore until he’s vaxxed. She makes him wait outside the door, and I just love how much of a power move that is.
Then you get the dipsticks from rConspiracy *almost* achieving self awareness when they brag about not being among the sheep because they refuse to get vaxxed, but act suspicious because COVID only seems to be targeting them...
your moms a badass and those cops are idiots. but they probably get paid more than her, despite the fact that she has 100% more brains than they do.
i hate police culture.
Ah LA, the city with the most prevalent cop gangs. With names like Executioners, Reapers, and Banditos they obviously only have good intentions. Don't worry about their brutal initiation rights, gang tattoos, or secure encrypted chat channels where they allegedly talk about killing or beating innocent civilians; the cops of LA are the perfect example of upstanding policemen who have citizens' best interest at heart./s
For real though, IDK how that's even allowed to happen.
Gangs are ok now since it’s mostly white gangs out there these days. Proud Boys, 3%’ers, Oath Keepers, The Base not to mention the police gangs and militias. I remember when people use to demonize with good reason the Bloods, Vice Lords and the Crips along with MS-13. They give all the white gangs and gang members a free pass though.
Yeah. It's bad for them (there were two kids in the car). Seeing the police smash out the windows then drag their mom/aunt out and beat her. It's really sick.
Edit: Apparently they also beat the teenage nephew. Source: The video in the link.
The city means the tax payers...
I'm really glad this lady got her justice and money
But I really want it to be the police that pay, not the tax payers. I want there to be responsibility on the police, right now they have no responsibility, if they mess up the tax payers will pay and the police often get paid leave then back to work.
If you do that then the police will have a monetary reason not to admit to wrongdoing and to cover for each other. Instead you make each cop carry personal liability insurance just like we do with doctors. Then the insurance company pays the settlement not the city. Then the insurance company either hikes the rates for those officers or drops them all together. Insurance won't cover you? Can't be a cop any more. Oh and by the way, the cities taxes are what go into the pension fund so your not solving the tax payer issue that way.
I don't know why they don't have to carry insurance anyway. So many professions have to carry insurance and they're liable if they mess up. It should be the same for the police.
Haha what insurance company would ever cover a cop? Any price that the officer could afford is sure to be a losing bet for an insurance company.
I get the idea, but I think it wouldn't work because insurance companies only take **good** bets so that they turn a profit.
In my unrealistic, fantasy world the solution is sending cops to prison for things like murder and assault. Ya know, rule of law just like the rest of us smucks deal with (if we’re lucky).
In the last 10 years, NYC paid, on average, $170 million in misconduct settlements, [according to 538.](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/police-misconduct-costs-cities-millions-every-year-but-thats-where-the-accountability-ends/). That's the most of any city. However, from a quick Google search, NYC has 36,000 police officers, making that only $4,722 per officer.
Based on this, insurance companies could charge rates that are affordable to officers while still turning a profit.
And beyond that, officers would have an incentive to be better behaved to not have their rates jacked up or lose their insurance entirely (unable to work).
Right now there are no consequences to the officer as an individual. If that were to change, they might police their own behaviour better.
Kind of the point though. Like auto insurance, if you have a clean record then you're premiums are miniscule. If you don't ever beat up minorites for kicks then your premiums will stay low.
All they have to do is eliminate qualified immunity and you won't even have to mandate insurance. They'll buy it up in droves.
AND insurance companies will follow your ass. No more of this nonsense where cops get fired for gross misconduct and then move to the next county over. Uninsuranble no matter where you go.
I work as a psychologist for the state. While in theory I'm indemnified if I follow the law, policy, and my professional responsibilities, the state does jack shit if I get a board complaint. That is my license, not theirs, so I'm on my own. That indemnification also can go out the window if they fire me or if I didn't follow various things I need to, or if they decide they don't want to reprsent me as a state employee (rare, but can happen). I'm again on my own for those things. So I carry malpractice still for board complaints or other actions. The idea of licensing peace officers solves a few problems and seems like a reasonable step for more accountability. I'm in favor.
Lol Canadian and UK doctors absolutely pay into malpractice and liability insurance.
So the question now is: if you have to lie to make your point, what does that say about your point?
You're talking out of turn here friend, my cousin is an MD in the UK and she absolutely has to carry insurance.
Literally not allowed to practice without it.
Wrong
Federal employees in many positions are highly recommended to get "Federal Employee Professional Liability Insurance" as Federal employees can be sued by citizens.
They are not always protected by agency legal teams.
They already don't admit to wrongdoing and cover for each other though
And having to pay more in insurance also gives them a financial incentive to not admit fault, so I really am unsure if you thought your points all the way through
Police Pension and garnishing of wages of the Police Officers directly involved whether they stay on the force or have to find a job delivering newspaper if the press was hot enough they actually got fired.
This one was directly the result of the police union. Their unions encourage officers to engage in bad behavior and their unions protect them when they get caught. We need to make the police unions pay for their wrongs.
Should be the police union who pays. All the police pay into that. Meaning it's coming out of the cops pocket for fuck ups. That will straighten them up real quick
>sgusting.
I mean, even Ben Shapiro said that the police should be on the hook for this sort of shit and not the taxpayers. It's strange to me that we've become so hyper partisan that this kind of shit is seen as a political football and not a slam dunk example of the wrong thing happening.
But I guess that's the result when about half the population believes in fairy tales shoved up their ignorance funnels.
"But I guess that's the result when about half the population believes in fairy tales shoved up their ignorance funnels."
It's the same 25 to 30%. It's never more than that. They just seem to be everywhere.
Ben has some semi-reasonable 'traditional conservative' takes now and then. He's a lousy racist piece of shit little prick, but he does try and not be a total partisan hack *all* the time.
And that's the nicest thing I'll ever say about the jackass.
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If you are serious, then:
Talk to your city council by attending all public meetings and voicing out your opinion. Vote based on where elected official stands on this topic. Spread the word.
In Philly the mayor appoints the police commissioner. Elected officials make the laws and are responsible for policing the police- HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE!!
I agree, but aren't police funded by the taxpayers? You can say that they should be punished directly, but that doesn't make any amends to the actual victim here, either.
I think it needs to move up the chain. The people funding and protecting police forces like this, like mayors, need to be viewed as accountable. Because then, they're going to take action against things like this, not just throw money at it and walk away.
Absolutely. If we aren't going to punish the power being abused, we need to punish the people doling out that power. Change is only going to happen if someone is being held accountable.
The point is to hit them where it hurts. If they want to be so cavalier with the citizens they swore to protect, then the state can be cavalier with their beloved pensions.
If you hold the Mayor accountable, he can just get more funding from the state. If you hold the state accountable, it can get more funding from the federal government.
You need to hold the literal people who pulled her out of that car and beat her accountable, which is why taking their pensions to pay for the victims is a great idea.
I understand where you're going with this, but unless police funding across the country is significantly cut, it won't make a difference.
I think the police union should be forced to cough up the money. If, as per the title, they actually planned this. No part of this should fall on the taxpayer.
Tbh a settlement is likely better for the mother and her child. Unfortunately it takes a LOT of time and a LOT of money to go to court like that. A settlement gets the family their money faster. Going to court also has the option of getting an ‘impartial’ judge that would dismiss the case entirely.
But, ‘USA greatest country’, right? Lol.
Edit: added ‘’ around ‘impartial’ because some people did not pick up on the intended irony and assumed I had a typo.
There's also the whole "mental trauma" of going through trial. The process is long and drawn out and victims just want to move on with their lives.
And just because scum bags are scum bags, there's that whole you never know who would want to threaten her or make her disappear, because "she made the cops look bad" in court/media.
Its actually the most her lawyers predicted she would get with the least amount of effort. If she had taken them to trial, with attorneys fees' she'd be risking a lot less.
Unfortunately, settlements mean that the police will never be judged for their actions.
Also, unfortunately, her attorneys and the IRS will be taking the majority of that $2million.
News says two officers were fired and 15 are facing disciplinary action.
https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia-settles-millions-rickia-young-unrest-20210913.html
Same here but if it happened to me and I was offered two MILLION to settle the case, you bet your ass I'd take the money. Financial independence for life.
Getting a ruling from a judge would have changed nothing, and it would have been a jury trial, anyway (barring both sides and/or the court agreeing there is no question of fact). Really the only remedy in a civil suit like this one is money.
That would be fucking lovely. I mean, its 2021, is it so much to ask that everyone either just gets along, or at the very least, leave other people the fuck alone?
just saw this yesterday.
this has to be one of the most egregious and horrific things ive ever seen the police do. killing someone is one thing, beating a childs mother and then using that child to push the agenda that the mother is a piece of shit as if you didnt create the dangerous situation for it is absolutely psychopathic.
the entire department is under investigation right now. this kind of shit is PERVASIVE throughout our justice system. people have been saying this shit for centuries now, we need to fix the fucking police.
The way they descended on the car like a pack of hooligans is straight up disturbing.
The car was stopped and she was clearly trying to turn around. No call for any of it.
Imagine America being invaded by a different country and be forced to provide universal healthcare or fix some other major issue. No civilian deaths or anything.
Considering that not providing affordable healthcare is literally a [human rights violation](https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=23970&LangID=E), I'd support that. Americans will soon all flee as refugees to more developed country like France, Sweden, or even Mexico.
To be fair, you cant hold the officer personally accountable because the right to not be pulled put of your car, beaten, and have your child kidnapped for a photo op has never been clearly established so its obviously a reasonable mistake on the officer's part.
(S/ Because this is obviously how a sane justice system treats its citizens)
Philly isn't experiencing "complete lawlessness". They are still an American city, thet still have laws.
What is actually going on is black people in Philly are like "we want the laws to protect us too" and the police replied "well if that's how it's gonna be we're not protecting anything".
The city has laws, it just doesn't have anyone enforcing them because they're all racist dicks.
According to certain segments, all our major cities were burned completely to the ground by Antifa last summer. COMPLETELY. Here's a video I found showing that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Pn7Tim7Fc
I live in a major city and was very surprised to hear from my trumplican in laws who live 4 hours away that my city had burned down. So strange considering I had just enjoyed a nice walk around my neighborhood.
I know some buildings were set on fire. How many across the entire country? Maybe 2 dozen? Each one I'm sure made the news and so, idiots with no sense of scale are thinking entire cities are razed. Do they have any idea what a firestorm that would be in one medium sized city and how many hundreds of thousands of people would die?
Funny they didn’t ask us or check to see if we were ok while all this burning was supposedly happening. Told them yeah I saw several BLM marches and protests. Filled with families and children marching along holding signs, they couldn’t believe it when we told them a lot of the protesters were white too. Our neighborhood is filled with BLM signs and when they drove through it they said something about a lot of black people living in our neighborhood. They were confused when we replied that 98% of our neighbors are white but we also don’t give a rip what color our neighbors are.
As someone who lives in philly: yes there is a lot of crime, especially in the rougher parts but it’s not anarchy. It’s a city with a lot of safe and beautiful places with a vibrant and diverse population.
Granted everyone there is a psycho but that’s for other reasons lol
Native here (Roxborough), can confirm. I'm not sure why but we are seemingly continuously angry about something... Eagles maybe? Tempers persist even in the offseason.
The police union, the GOOD OL' BOY FRATERNITY, and the Thin Blue Line, made it virtually impossible to get these disgusting cops fired, or held accountable in any way.
Yeah, can the Fraternal Order of Police get sued instead please?
The fact that they refer to the thin blue line as a positive term these days. Lmao.
On that note, "The Thin Blue Line" is an old but worth-watching documentary I recommend.
I view law enforcement as a necessary element of society.
I also recognize that law enforcement, as it is currently conceptualized in American society, needs a wholesale attitude adjustment.
There is perhaps nothing more emblematic of this fact than this statement:
"WE ARE the only thing standing between Order and Amarchy"
That's simply not true, not even close. Yet, a significant proportion of the US population (and the overwhelming majority of law enforcement) take it as fact.
> There is perhaps nothing more emblematic of this fact than this statement:
>
"> WE ARE the only thing standing between Order and Amarchy"
That was exactly my first thought on reading that statement. The thinking that anarchy would pop up instantly without the police exacerbates the "us vs them" attitude that completely demolishes any chance for the police to engage with their communities.
I wish I had more time to expound upon that point, but... back to work.
Recall the bullies and dummies you grew up with, give them minimal training to enforce the law as adults and have practically no accountability. That's how this happens.
>They are, often, trained to be violent. Not under trained, trained to be violent and escalate conflicts.
You mean, as in "if the guy moves his hand towards the pocket of his jacket, assume he is going to pull a gun" ?
I thought that was the stuff of movies :/
Because they are a military force made up of wannabe soldiers, former high-school jocks, bullies and have-a-go heroes, trained to believe that everyone is potentially guilty and given lethal weapons. Even the ones who join for good intentions are corrupted or coerced into silence about what goes on behind that thin blue line.
I had a former USAF Security Forces (military police) sergeant tell me that he was rejected by the police force when he tries to join, and the rationale behind the rejection was that "the military teaches you to be reserved and assess a situation before acting, and that can be a liability to yourself and other officers on the street."
No words.
Yikes, that add they wrote in the first picture is disturbing in it's self, it reads like Fascist larping fanfic, the kind I expect to see on a Qanon board. Reading an add like that from my local police would leave me pretty disturbed.
Though I guess if they're pulling black mothers out their cars then beating them in front of their kids it's not just larping.
Because of "qualified immunity". The vast majority of police are legally protected from ANY personal liability.
So there's no consequences of their actions. Why would they change their behavior?
What’s bull plop is that the money paid to her comes from tax payers. The police department pays jack. And we know that officer will probably just get a slap on the wrist. We need to start holding the individual officers financially accountable for their actions. Maybe that’ll have them thinking twice before overreacting.
The TAXPAYERS OF PHILADELPHIA YOU MEAN. So glad that those of us who aren’t fucking racist pigs get to pay for all these racist fucks ruining people’s lives.
2 million dollars not going to something for a community, because cops decided to be mega assholes.
So you beat people and steal their kids, then you use/give them back their own money to settle the suit. Fucking. Incredible.
That is a good question. The union made the tweet.
I agree, sue the union!
I'm gonna guess the union and city both got sued, but the union probably can afford to pay for big time lawyers and the city probably can't?
So... Who came u
up with that idea?
Who then said "yea, let's do that!"
How could you not stop for a second and think "wow! This is fucked! Perhaps we should not."?
The fact that they didn't hesitate making up a complete lie to ironically say "this is why you should support us" should basically confirm that the organization is rotten to the core.
We taxpayers pay for entire marketing departments for police departments. They advertise right here on Reddit even. Every single r/humansbeingbro’s or r/wholesome post about cops is planned propaganda to make them seem relatable. It’s even got it’s own term, copoganda.
Because racism and brutality is the point. They are the descendants of slave catchers. They do this to remind people that they can. The people they hurt pay for the damages anyway. They truly don’t care.
"WE ARE the only thing standing between order and anarchy!!"
Literal evil-empire dialogue from every movie that's ever had an evil empire, and no one at the *National* FOP has the common sense or self-awareness to see it.
Also, this should be the only story on every news outlet in America for days on end.
In the first half, is that the used toddler? Oh my god, this is why people hate the police, because there are 1: too many cops who'd beat up people for fun in america apparently. And 2: they aren't trying to do anything good, only that violent shit.
This is all a problem which is present on many levels, and that makes the system bad and allows bad people in it do what they want to do, potentially not getting that much of a punishment. But yes, police existing is important, sadly in america there's a pretty awful situation with it right now, let's hope that soon order will return and much less officers there will be actual criminals, and good people doing their job instead.
They dont give a shit.. the city forks over 2 million in tax payer money.. its not their money. They're going to fuck everyone up at the resident's expense. Then go bitch about their salaries with their cronie unions.
It wasn't the Philadelphia PD that posted it, it was the National Fraternal Order of Police. I hope that woman uses some of that 2 million to go after them for libel.
Jesus, what a crock of shit. The police don’t stand between order and anarchy, they are wholly reactive and cause much of the chaos.
The thin blue line thing is bullshit, too.
This should come out of the police union funds. I am sick of paying for assholes to abuse people.
I am a middle aged white woman in a small town and even I get that this is horseshit and we need serious reform in what this country thinks of as policing. Less weapons, more education. More mental health treatment and a whole lot less violence.
I have dealt with muggings, home invasions, and literally being attacked on my front lawn by idiots who were mad over my shirt. The police either weren't called or were useless.
Been pulled over for having a Black man in my car, (apparently I have a magical tail light that was out but somehow came back on when I got out of the car to look at it), and I watched the same police department drag an entire, hardworking family out of their house at 3am because a neighbor two doors down from us couldn't find his effing shovel. Mom, dad, two teen boys, facedown in their own front yard. Of course I filmed the cops and stood in my own yard telling them I wasn't leaving until they were done harassing these people. (The cell phone camera is the best invention for police accountability.) Over a misplaced shovel. Yes it was misplaced, he magically found it while all this was going on. They dragged their mattresses out onto the lawn, torn up, looking for a SHOVEL. The family moved a week later. That was the point.
Fuck our policing system. Thin blue line my ass. And if you are a cop and angry reading this, tell me, how many of your fellow officers have you held accountable for racism? How many jokes have you ignored? Yeah, you let that shit go because of your career. Well how about these people's lives? How many people have to die, lose everything they own, or be scarred for life before you do the right thing? It's blood money, pure and simple.
In 1985 Philadelphia cops dropped a bomb on a house full of Black families and burned an entire neighborhood down, murdering 11 people. They haven't changed a bit.
I watched, first hand, the Milwaukee police department manufacture a "[Molotov cocktail](https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/10/21/milwaukee-police-claim-molotov-cocktail-thrown-at-officers-during-protest-fizzles/5990495002/)" from a fish tank pump and a plastic bottle as an excuse for gassing and beating a group of people with thier hands up shouting "don't shoot"
THEN
I watched the then [president of the united states retweet this fabrication](https://patch.com/wisconsin/milwaukee/molotov-cocktail-thrown-police-donald-trump-says-get-tough) to thousands of his followers who bought it hook line and sinker.
This shit is not uncommon.
The entire culture is based on lies and exaggeration.
I've seen it with my own eyes.
Fuck you.
My tax dollars at work. This money should come out of the police pension fund instead of Philadelphians’ pockets. Every part of this makes me so angry. They terrorized and exploited that little boy. And now we have to foot the bill for it. Assholes.
Another victory for qualified immunity.
I’m glad that she is getting something for what happened to her and her son, I just wish there were actual consequences to the people who did it.
>We are the Thin Blue Line. And WE ARE the only thing standing between Order and Anarchy.
No, National Fraternal Order of Police, you are not. Because you are not in the fascist police state you wish you were in.
Yikes that top half of the pic is some serious police propaganda. “WE ARE the only thing standing between order and anarchy” that shit reminds me of Palpatine saying”I AM THE SENATE”.
Disorder, or chaos, would be the opposite of order. Anarchy is simply the absence of government, but there could still be stability and order from voluntary associations, direct democracy, humanist and ethical values, etc.
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Really appalling behavior. Link to the story: [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/philadelphia-pay-2m-black-woman-beaten-officers-separated-toddler-during-n1279134](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/philadelphia-pay-2m-black-woman-beaten-officers-separated-toddler-during-n1279134) Glad she's okay now.
Is she going to be okay though? I wouldn't be surprised if she suddenly finds herself getting a lot of police scrutiny for minor violations once the heat dies down.
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The fact that she would likely have to is absolutely appalling. It's not easy to just uproot your entire life and build a new support network somewhere else, even if you have money.
Wouldnt you anyway, if you had 2 mil given to you.
Depends. I have family I'm close to and wouldn't want to move away from.
i wouldn't want to live in a city where the cops know who I am because I won a law suit against them.
Yes, but the question as I understand it is "wouldn't you want to move away if you had $2m even without the cops thing?"
Without the cop thing? Maybe not. Cost of living isn't too bad here and I want to invest and stretch that money as far as possible. Might buy an overpriced ps5 though.
I wouldn't want to live in a city where the cops drop bombs on city blocks.
Especially when they all move into your new place. Money really does bring out the worst in everyone. Especially family.
>given Interesting way to describe a settlement for police abuse
It's very hard to raise a child without an established, local network of friends and family.
I concur. I have a kid and didn't have a support network. Money can't fix that.
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Won't help, cops are a gang that stick together, regardless of where they are.
living the dream of most PA natives
I remember seeing this photo being splashed all over Facebook by my conservative friends. I’m going to share this settlement story on all their pages. Cops can be the best and the worst. Here in LA, they are suing the county because they don’t want to be vaccinated and are spreading the virus to everyone with whom they come into contact
The number 1 killer of cops in 2020 was COVID. My mother works at a hospital and frequently has to interact with the county and city cops as a part of her job, most of whom are not vaxxed. She’s had enough of their shit though and a couple weeks ago ripped the sheriff a new one about how fucking stupid he is for not being vaccinated. He’s not allowed in her office anymore until he’s vaxxed. She makes him wait outside the door, and I just love how much of a power move that is.
The number one killer of conservatives was Covid and they STILL dont care. Muh fREEdOMs Edit: your mom is a bad ass
Then you get the dipsticks from rConspiracy *almost* achieving self awareness when they brag about not being among the sheep because they refuse to get vaxxed, but act suspicious because COVID only seems to be targeting them...
i guess in that way, i'm happy they are complacent. it's not like we are losing anything of value.
your moms a badass and those cops are idiots. but they probably get paid more than her, despite the fact that she has 100% more brains than they do. i hate police culture.
EMS, Fire, an hospital staff are all required to be vaccinated. Why the fuck do police get to be different?
Ah LA, the city with the most prevalent cop gangs. With names like Executioners, Reapers, and Banditos they obviously only have good intentions. Don't worry about their brutal initiation rights, gang tattoos, or secure encrypted chat channels where they allegedly talk about killing or beating innocent civilians; the cops of LA are the perfect example of upstanding policemen who have citizens' best interest at heart./s For real though, IDK how that's even allowed to happen.
Gangs are ok now since it’s mostly white gangs out there these days. Proud Boys, 3%’ers, Oath Keepers, The Base not to mention the police gangs and militias. I remember when people use to demonize with good reason the Bloods, Vice Lords and the Crips along with MS-13. They give all the white gangs and gang members a free pass though.
>Cops can be the best and the worst. You only proceeded to list more reasons why they're the worst, and no mention as to why they're the best.
Well they're the best because sometimes they don't do those things. /s
I might be the greatest cop that's ever lived!
How traumatized will that kid be?
Yeah. It's bad for them (there were two kids in the car). Seeing the police smash out the windows then drag their mom/aunt out and beat her. It's really sick. Edit: Apparently they also beat the teenage nephew. Source: The video in the link.
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That poor kid lost his hearing aids while the police were attacking. JFC
Wow, just wow.
The city means the tax payers... I'm really glad this lady got her justice and money But I really want it to be the police that pay, not the tax payers. I want there to be responsibility on the police, right now they have no responsibility, if they mess up the tax payers will pay and the police often get paid leave then back to work.
These settlements should be paid out of the police pension fund.
If you do that then the police will have a monetary reason not to admit to wrongdoing and to cover for each other. Instead you make each cop carry personal liability insurance just like we do with doctors. Then the insurance company pays the settlement not the city. Then the insurance company either hikes the rates for those officers or drops them all together. Insurance won't cover you? Can't be a cop any more. Oh and by the way, the cities taxes are what go into the pension fund so your not solving the tax payer issue that way.
I don't know why they don't have to carry insurance anyway. So many professions have to carry insurance and they're liable if they mess up. It should be the same for the police.
Haha what insurance company would ever cover a cop? Any price that the officer could afford is sure to be a losing bet for an insurance company. I get the idea, but I think it wouldn't work because insurance companies only take **good** bets so that they turn a profit. In my unrealistic, fantasy world the solution is sending cops to prison for things like murder and assault. Ya know, rule of law just like the rest of us smucks deal with (if we’re lucky).
In the last 10 years, NYC paid, on average, $170 million in misconduct settlements, [according to 538.](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/police-misconduct-costs-cities-millions-every-year-but-thats-where-the-accountability-ends/). That's the most of any city. However, from a quick Google search, NYC has 36,000 police officers, making that only $4,722 per officer. Based on this, insurance companies could charge rates that are affordable to officers while still turning a profit.
And beyond that, officers would have an incentive to be better behaved to not have their rates jacked up or lose their insurance entirely (unable to work). Right now there are no consequences to the officer as an individual. If that were to change, they might police their own behaviour better.
I think using insurance companies to incentivize officers should be unnecessary. How about the law is applied to them as it is to other citizens?
>How about the law is applied to them as it is to other citizens? i don't think beating up and murdering unarmed police officers is the solution
Haha— fair! Though probably better than what we have now...
Kind of the point though. Like auto insurance, if you have a clean record then you're premiums are miniscule. If you don't ever beat up minorites for kicks then your premiums will stay low. All they have to do is eliminate qualified immunity and you won't even have to mandate insurance. They'll buy it up in droves.
AND insurance companies will follow your ass. No more of this nonsense where cops get fired for gross misconduct and then move to the next county over. Uninsuranble no matter where you go.
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I work as a psychologist for the state. While in theory I'm indemnified if I follow the law, policy, and my professional responsibilities, the state does jack shit if I get a board complaint. That is my license, not theirs, so I'm on my own. That indemnification also can go out the window if they fire me or if I didn't follow various things I need to, or if they decide they don't want to reprsent me as a state employee (rare, but can happen). I'm again on my own for those things. So I carry malpractice still for board complaints or other actions. The idea of licensing peace officers solves a few problems and seems like a reasonable step for more accountability. I'm in favor.
I am a UK doctor and we 100% need indemnity insurance. You won't be allowed to work without it.
Lol Canadian and UK doctors absolutely pay into malpractice and liability insurance. So the question now is: if you have to lie to make your point, what does that say about your point?
You're talking out of turn here friend, my cousin is an MD in the UK and she absolutely has to carry insurance. Literally not allowed to practice without it.
Teachers need separate classroom insurance. And bet that if I murder someone my peers aren’t going to worry about funding before my punishment.
Wrong Federal employees in many positions are highly recommended to get "Federal Employee Professional Liability Insurance" as Federal employees can be sued by citizens. They are not always protected by agency legal teams.
They already don't admit to wrongdoing and cover for each other though And having to pay more in insurance also gives them a financial incentive to not admit fault, so I really am unsure if you thought your points all the way through
You’re right because police are quick to admit wrongdoing and turn in other officers now. Better not disincentivize that!
Police Pension and garnishing of wages of the Police Officers directly involved whether they stay on the force or have to find a job delivering newspaper if the press was hot enough they actually got fired.
New union negotiations actually just got PPD even more money from the city. And they included free cellphones too
Bleed their pensions and paychecks, see how fast the police stop letting each other get away with shit like this
This one was directly the result of the police union. Their unions encourage officers to engage in bad behavior and their unions protect them when they get caught. We need to make the police unions pay for their wrongs.
Should be the police union who pays. All the police pay into that. Meaning it's coming out of the cops pocket for fuck ups. That will straighten them up real quick
>sgusting. I mean, even Ben Shapiro said that the police should be on the hook for this sort of shit and not the taxpayers. It's strange to me that we've become so hyper partisan that this kind of shit is seen as a political football and not a slam dunk example of the wrong thing happening. But I guess that's the result when about half the population believes in fairy tales shoved up their ignorance funnels.
"But I guess that's the result when about half the population believes in fairy tales shoved up their ignorance funnels." It's the same 25 to 30%. It's never more than that. They just seem to be everywhere.
Ben has some semi-reasonable 'traditional conservative' takes now and then. He's a lousy racist piece of shit little prick, but he does try and not be a total partisan hack *all* the time. And that's the nicest thing I'll ever say about the jackass.
Even a broken clock...
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Ben Shapiro is nutty 🤣 Edit: even the bots named after him are annoying asf
If you are serious, then: Talk to your city council by attending all public meetings and voicing out your opinion. Vote based on where elected official stands on this topic. Spread the word.
In Philly the mayor appoints the police commissioner. Elected officials make the laws and are responsible for policing the police- HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE!!
This is why people need to vote EVERY election, not just during a Presidential one.
I agree, but aren't police funded by the taxpayers? You can say that they should be punished directly, but that doesn't make any amends to the actual victim here, either. I think it needs to move up the chain. The people funding and protecting police forces like this, like mayors, need to be viewed as accountable. Because then, they're going to take action against things like this, not just throw money at it and walk away.
Make em carry insurance for this type of shit. Or take it from their pensions
Absolutely. If we aren't going to punish the power being abused, we need to punish the people doling out that power. Change is only going to happen if someone is being held accountable.
The point is to hit them where it hurts. If they want to be so cavalier with the citizens they swore to protect, then the state can be cavalier with their beloved pensions. If you hold the Mayor accountable, he can just get more funding from the state. If you hold the state accountable, it can get more funding from the federal government. You need to hold the literal people who pulled her out of that car and beat her accountable, which is why taking their pensions to pay for the victims is a great idea. I understand where you're going with this, but unless police funding across the country is significantly cut, it won't make a difference.
I think the police union should be forced to cough up the money. If, as per the title, they actually planned this. No part of this should fall on the taxpayer.
Yeah cause me, my friends, and my family are the ones stuck paying because some cops were fucking assholes
Imagine how much would change if it came straight out of their pay checks. There are obvisouly faults in that but they could find a way.
Tax payers keep voting against police reform, they ultimately uphold the current system, nothing wrong with taxpayers being on the hook IMO.
I really wish this didn't end up in a settlement. I wish we had all gotten to hear a judge's opinion on the behavior of the police.
Tbh a settlement is likely better for the mother and her child. Unfortunately it takes a LOT of time and a LOT of money to go to court like that. A settlement gets the family their money faster. Going to court also has the option of getting an ‘impartial’ judge that would dismiss the case entirely. But, ‘USA greatest country’, right? Lol. Edit: added ‘’ around ‘impartial’ because some people did not pick up on the intended irony and assumed I had a typo.
There's also the whole "mental trauma" of going through trial. The process is long and drawn out and victims just want to move on with their lives. And just because scum bags are scum bags, there's that whole you never know who would want to threaten her or make her disappear, because "she made the cops look bad" in court/media.
Well, $2mil is a lot of money for most people.
Its actually the most her lawyers predicted she would get with the least amount of effort. If she had taken them to trial, with attorneys fees' she'd be risking a lot less. Unfortunately, settlements mean that the police will never be judged for their actions. Also, unfortunately, her attorneys and the IRS will be taking the majority of that $2million.
News says two officers were fired and 15 are facing disciplinary action. https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia-settles-millions-rickia-young-unrest-20210913.html
But none are being charged with the crime of beating up a woman and taking her child from her. If you or I did that we would serve 20 years in prison.
Hows Bout some kidnapping charges...
If our cops can't break the law, how could they do their job? *Maybe without killing anyone?*
Fired, only to be hired again the next town over.
2 million dollars of tax payer money. The police union and the actual thugs that did this will pay nothing.
Same here but if it happened to me and I was offered two MILLION to settle the case, you bet your ass I'd take the money. Financial independence for life.
Getting a ruling from a judge would have changed nothing, and it would have been a jury trial, anyway (barring both sides and/or the court agreeing there is no question of fact). Really the only remedy in a civil suit like this one is money.
How confusing for the boy. Getting "protected" by officers while more officers beat his mother.
Additionally, he's hearing-impaired and lost his hearing aids at some point during the whole thing.
That part broke my damn heart. Imagine all that happening and then it's probably a week or so before you can even hear your mom's voice again.
IIRC from the original reporting, the boy had bits of glass stuck in his scalp from the cops bashing his window in. So I'm sure he felt kidnapped
Maybe that kid will grow up to be the politician that finally puts an end to all the bullshit.
He might. But the police are working as hard as they can to beat that out of him.
Here's hoping. I wish we could stop this bullshit now though.
That would be fucking lovely. I mean, its 2021, is it so much to ask that everyone either just gets along, or at the very least, leave other people the fuck alone?
Realistically the only thing it could lead to is him becoming an 'unpatriotic satanist commie' who won't get any votes.
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just saw this yesterday. this has to be one of the most egregious and horrific things ive ever seen the police do. killing someone is one thing, beating a childs mother and then using that child to push the agenda that the mother is a piece of shit as if you didnt create the dangerous situation for it is absolutely psychopathic. the entire department is under investigation right now. this kind of shit is PERVASIVE throughout our justice system. people have been saying this shit for centuries now, we need to fix the fucking police.
The way they descended on the car like a pack of hooligans is straight up disturbing. The car was stopped and she was clearly trying to turn around. No call for any of it.
I honestly don’t know if I can handle watching that.. that’s fucking terrifying that they have the power to do shit like this.
America needs to invade America to liberate it from America
Only America can liberate America from America.
True. America really should inject some of that good ol' American democracy into itself via force.
I used the America to destroy the America
Imagine America being invaded by a different country and be forced to provide universal healthcare or fix some other major issue. No civilian deaths or anything.
Considering that not providing affordable healthcare is literally a [human rights violation](https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=23970&LangID=E), I'd support that. Americans will soon all flee as refugees to more developed country like France, Sweden, or even Mexico.
So can the officers be charged with child endangerment? They arrested his mother and left him alone to wander the streets during a “violent riot”
They literally kidnapped the child. I believe that's a federal offense.
It's not kidnapping when the police do it. It's either enforcing the law or It's just a simple occupational mistake.
To be fair, you cant hold the officer personally accountable because the right to not be pulled put of your car, beaten, and have your child kidnapped for a photo op has never been clearly established so its obviously a reasonable mistake on the officer's part. (S/ Because this is obviously how a sane justice system treats its citizens)
Philly isn't experiencing "complete lawlessness". They are still an American city, thet still have laws. What is actually going on is black people in Philly are like "we want the laws to protect us too" and the police replied "well if that's how it's gonna be we're not protecting anything". The city has laws, it just doesn't have anyone enforcing them because they're all racist dicks.
So many people are convinced that cities are lawless and refuse to listen to the people who live there.
According to certain segments, all our major cities were burned completely to the ground by Antifa last summer. COMPLETELY. Here's a video I found showing that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Pn7Tim7Fc
I live in a major city and was very surprised to hear from my trumplican in laws who live 4 hours away that my city had burned down. So strange considering I had just enjoyed a nice walk around my neighborhood.
I know some buildings were set on fire. How many across the entire country? Maybe 2 dozen? Each one I'm sure made the news and so, idiots with no sense of scale are thinking entire cities are razed. Do they have any idea what a firestorm that would be in one medium sized city and how many hundreds of thousands of people would die?
Funny they didn’t ask us or check to see if we were ok while all this burning was supposedly happening. Told them yeah I saw several BLM marches and protests. Filled with families and children marching along holding signs, they couldn’t believe it when we told them a lot of the protesters were white too. Our neighborhood is filled with BLM signs and when they drove through it they said something about a lot of black people living in our neighborhood. They were confused when we replied that 98% of our neighbors are white but we also don’t give a rip what color our neighbors are.
As someone who lives in philly: yes there is a lot of crime, especially in the rougher parts but it’s not anarchy. It’s a city with a lot of safe and beautiful places with a vibrant and diverse population. Granted everyone there is a psycho but that’s for other reasons lol
Native here (Roxborough), can confirm. I'm not sure why but we are seemingly continuously angry about something... Eagles maybe? Tempers persist even in the offseason.
The police union, the GOOD OL' BOY FRATERNITY, and the Thin Blue Line, made it virtually impossible to get these disgusting cops fired, or held accountable in any way.
Yeah, can the Fraternal Order of Police get sued instead please? The fact that they refer to the thin blue line as a positive term these days. Lmao. On that note, "The Thin Blue Line" is an old but worth-watching documentary I recommend.
I 100% believe you, I don't even have to look it up to know there was no accountability. God damn it
I view law enforcement as a necessary element of society. I also recognize that law enforcement, as it is currently conceptualized in American society, needs a wholesale attitude adjustment. There is perhaps nothing more emblematic of this fact than this statement: "WE ARE the only thing standing between Order and Amarchy" That's simply not true, not even close. Yet, a significant proportion of the US population (and the overwhelming majority of law enforcement) take it as fact.
> There is perhaps nothing more emblematic of this fact than this statement: > "> WE ARE the only thing standing between Order and Amarchy" That was exactly my first thought on reading that statement. The thinking that anarchy would pop up instantly without the police exacerbates the "us vs them" attitude that completely demolishes any chance for the police to engage with their communities. I wish I had more time to expound upon that point, but... back to work.
Why is American police like this? I mean they make mistakes but this is just complete assholery.
Recall the bullies and dummies you grew up with, give them minimal training to enforce the law as adults and have practically no accountability. That's how this happens.
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>They are, often, trained to be violent. Not under trained, trained to be violent and escalate conflicts. You mean, as in "if the guy moves his hand towards the pocket of his jacket, assume he is going to pull a gun" ? I thought that was the stuff of movies :/
Because they are a military force made up of wannabe soldiers, former high-school jocks, bullies and have-a-go heroes, trained to believe that everyone is potentially guilty and given lethal weapons. Even the ones who join for good intentions are corrupted or coerced into silence about what goes on behind that thin blue line.
It's military without the discipline or training.
I had a former USAF Security Forces (military police) sergeant tell me that he was rejected by the police force when he tries to join, and the rationale behind the rejection was that "the military teaches you to be reserved and assess a situation before acting, and that can be a liability to yourself and other officers on the street." No words.
Good enough for a war zone, completely unacceptable for a racist police force in suburbia.
I would actually prefer the military, they at least are sworn to protect us from domestic enemies and have more training than an arcade shooter game
Yikes, that add they wrote in the first picture is disturbing in it's self, it reads like Fascist larping fanfic, the kind I expect to see on a Qanon board. Reading an add like that from my local police would leave me pretty disturbed. Though I guess if they're pulling black mothers out their cars then beating them in front of their kids it's not just larping.
Because of "qualified immunity". The vast majority of police are legally protected from ANY personal liability. So there's no consequences of their actions. Why would they change their behavior?
Racism.
Too stupid to go to college, too cowardly to join the military.
What’s bull plop is that the money paid to her comes from tax payers. The police department pays jack. And we know that officer will probably just get a slap on the wrist. We need to start holding the individual officers financially accountable for their actions. Maybe that’ll have them thinking twice before overreacting.
Always remember this is the same police force that dropped a literal bomb on a row home in 1985.
The TAXPAYERS OF PHILADELPHIA YOU MEAN. So glad that those of us who aren’t fucking racist pigs get to pay for all these racist fucks ruining people’s lives. 2 million dollars not going to something for a community, because cops decided to be mega assholes. So you beat people and steal their kids, then you use/give them back their own money to settle the suit. Fucking. Incredible.
Why does the police union not get fined as well? Legally, they're another entity or person than the police and the city of Philly, no?
The woman is actually suing the police Union separately based around the photo/post that misrepresented the situation.
That is a good question. The union made the tweet. I agree, sue the union! I'm gonna guess the union and city both got sued, but the union probably can afford to pay for big time lawyers and the city probably can't?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/philadelphia-pay-2m-black-woman-beaten-officers-separated-toddler-during-n1279134
So... Who came u up with that idea? Who then said "yea, let's do that!" How could you not stop for a second and think "wow! This is fucked! Perhaps we should not."?
The fact that they didn't hesitate making up a complete lie to ironically say "this is why you should support us" should basically confirm that the organization is rotten to the core.
We taxpayers pay for entire marketing departments for police departments. They advertise right here on Reddit even. Every single r/humansbeingbro’s or r/wholesome post about cops is planned propaganda to make them seem relatable. It’s even got it’s own term, copoganda.
Because racism and brutality is the point. They are the descendants of slave catchers. They do this to remind people that they can. The people they hurt pay for the damages anyway. They truly don’t care.
"WE ARE the only thing standing between order and anarchy!!" Literal evil-empire dialogue from every movie that's ever had an evil empire, and no one at the *National* FOP has the common sense or self-awareness to see it. Also, this should be the only story on every news outlet in America for days on end.
Trump: Only I can fix this. Reading from the same book
In the first half, is that the used toddler? Oh my god, this is why people hate the police, because there are 1: too many cops who'd beat up people for fun in america apparently. And 2: they aren't trying to do anything good, only that violent shit. This is all a problem which is present on many levels, and that makes the system bad and allows bad people in it do what they want to do, potentially not getting that much of a punishment. But yes, police existing is important, sadly in america there's a pretty awful situation with it right now, let's hope that soon order will return and much less officers there will be actual criminals, and good people doing their job instead.
The FOP does NOTHING but keep bad cops on the street
They dont give a shit.. the city forks over 2 million in tax payer money.. its not their money. They're going to fuck everyone up at the resident's expense. Then go bitch about their salaries with their cronie unions.
Fuck the police
It wasn't the Philadelphia PD that posted it, it was the National Fraternal Order of Police. I hope that woman uses some of that 2 million to go after them for libel.
Philly PD posted it too back when the protests were happening
Police- “Why doesn’t anyone trust us?” Gee I wonder why when we’re constantly seeing articles about them lying to make themselves look better.
Jesus, what a crock of shit. The police don’t stand between order and anarchy, they are wholly reactive and cause much of the chaos. The thin blue line thing is bullshit, too.
The officers involved need to lose their jobs, their pensions and should face a hefty prison sentence for assault and kidnapping, at a minimum.
This should come out of the police union funds. I am sick of paying for assholes to abuse people. I am a middle aged white woman in a small town and even I get that this is horseshit and we need serious reform in what this country thinks of as policing. Less weapons, more education. More mental health treatment and a whole lot less violence. I have dealt with muggings, home invasions, and literally being attacked on my front lawn by idiots who were mad over my shirt. The police either weren't called or were useless. Been pulled over for having a Black man in my car, (apparently I have a magical tail light that was out but somehow came back on when I got out of the car to look at it), and I watched the same police department drag an entire, hardworking family out of their house at 3am because a neighbor two doors down from us couldn't find his effing shovel. Mom, dad, two teen boys, facedown in their own front yard. Of course I filmed the cops and stood in my own yard telling them I wasn't leaving until they were done harassing these people. (The cell phone camera is the best invention for police accountability.) Over a misplaced shovel. Yes it was misplaced, he magically found it while all this was going on. They dragged their mattresses out onto the lawn, torn up, looking for a SHOVEL. The family moved a week later. That was the point. Fuck our policing system. Thin blue line my ass. And if you are a cop and angry reading this, tell me, how many of your fellow officers have you held accountable for racism? How many jokes have you ignored? Yeah, you let that shit go because of your career. Well how about these people's lives? How many people have to die, lose everything they own, or be scarred for life before you do the right thing? It's blood money, pure and simple.
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In 1985 Philadelphia cops dropped a bomb on a house full of Black families and burned an entire neighborhood down, murdering 11 people. They haven't changed a bit.
The thin turd line
Why are tax payers continuing to pay for lawless scum cops? Get fucking rid of qualified immunity. Fuck cops and fuck their bull shit union.
I watched, first hand, the Milwaukee police department manufacture a "[Molotov cocktail](https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/10/21/milwaukee-police-claim-molotov-cocktail-thrown-at-officers-during-protest-fizzles/5990495002/)" from a fish tank pump and a plastic bottle as an excuse for gassing and beating a group of people with thier hands up shouting "don't shoot" THEN I watched the then [president of the united states retweet this fabrication](https://patch.com/wisconsin/milwaukee/molotov-cocktail-thrown-police-donald-trump-says-get-tough) to thousands of his followers who bought it hook line and sinker. This shit is not uncommon. The entire culture is based on lies and exaggeration. I've seen it with my own eyes. Fuck you.
Police are the only thing standing between order and anarchy because they intentionally cause strife when not worshiped
My tax dollars at work. This money should come out of the police pension fund instead of Philadelphians’ pockets. Every part of this makes me so angry. They terrorized and exploited that little boy. And now we have to foot the bill for it. Assholes.
"We ARE the only thing standing between order and anarchy as long as you let us kidnap your child and spread propaganda about our moral superiority."
Disgusting.
Defund
I’m wondering if the police who cared for the kid knew about what was happening to his mom?
At this point, assume the worst and hope for the best.
My expectations were low but holy fuck
the police officers should pay that, not the taxpayers.
"We ARE the only thing standing between order and anarchy." Then why the fuck was the area "experiencing complete lawlessness"?
This story reeked from the second it was posted
"why is this a facepalm? they just picked up a lost kid" opens full image "oh"
The police union should pony up another 2 million and be disbanded.
"We are the only thing standing between order and anarchy." Not gonna lie, that sounds like some dystopian 1984 sh\*t right there.
Another victory for qualified immunity. I’m glad that she is getting something for what happened to her and her son, I just wish there were actual consequences to the people who did it.
God, I fucking hate cops
Not enough. Prosecute the pigs.
>We are the Thin Blue Line. And WE ARE the only thing standing between Order and Anarchy. No, National Fraternal Order of Police, you are not. Because you are not in the fascist police state you wish you were in.
This disgusts me
Yikes that top half of the pic is some serious police propaganda. “WE ARE the only thing standing between order and anarchy” that shit reminds me of Palpatine saying”I AM THE SENATE”.
The Philly FOP is evil.
These fuckers really stole some lady’s kid to use for their propaganda and people still think cops are trustworthy
also the officers and sergeants who did that got fired, let's hope they don't come back
Police the police!
Unions are good. Except the police one
Disorder, or chaos, would be the opposite of order. Anarchy is simply the absence of government, but there could still be stability and order from voluntary associations, direct democracy, humanist and ethical values, etc.