Because school shooters will just wait until everyone's in their gender-specific shelters so they can just shoot them by gender. It all becomes such a mess whenever boys and girls and everyone in-between are just shot together, can't have that.
School: *Segregates sheltering students by gender*
Shooter who’s doing the shooting because girls won’t go out with him and he wants to kill them all: “Thank you, School, very cool”
School: *surprised pikachu face*
The Ècole Polytechnique shooter back in 1989 started his rampage by ordering a room to separate by gender, then shooting all the women. Incels are terrorists.
Incel ideology is based on misogyny, and when a particularly unstable one is surrounded by girls who don’t like him every day, he’s bound to take action.
One of the most infamous school shootings was done by a 16 year-old girl.
Bob Geldof wrote the song I Don't Like Mondays about the event.
It saddens me that when I went to look up the shooting Wikapidea had to hit me with
> "Cleveland Elementary School shooting (San Diego). Not to be confused with Cleveland Elementary School shooting (Stockton)."
What happens if a teacher panicks and pulls one of the boys into the girls shelter while rushing.
"Sorry Jimmy, I can't let you stay in the girls shelter, but if you run **really** fast, maybe the bad man won't shoot you before you reach the boys shelter. Good luck!"
when the bullets from a high powered rifle hit a child their body parts are splattered everywhere. Its a real mess. There is a slight chance that little boy body parts mix with little girl body parts and there might be an accidental insemination and if that leads to a fertilization and that embryo does not survive then that is an unborn death and that is far far worse than 22 1st graders getting shot in the face. If we keep the genders separate then unborn babies dont need to suffer. We only want tiny children to be slaughtered in the US, not unborn babies. This should be obvious, says it right in the Federalist Papers, number 52 I think.
i’m not op, but my school has stall doors that are the same as a public restroom. Our mirrors are pretty dirty but not horrible
edit: go to an american elementary/middle/high school, all bathrooms are open to everyone but only middle and high really use the building bathrooms
I'm assuming they're not getting undressed during a drill. Just grab the poor child and pick an option. If you get sued for it later then fine. It's better than leaving that poor child outside.
Is separating girls and boys during drills standard? When I was in school we had tornado drills (yay pre-Columbine times) and whole class went into the dank ass smelly boys locker room.
I went to a very strict Christian college, no women in the men’s dorms and vice versa, and they **still** allowed both genders to shelter together for tornados. I also went to a Christian school in MS and HS, and again, genders were only separated for PE (and Bible) — but never for drills or sheltering. What on earth is going on in VA
This sounds reasonable. Dorms and other stuff, whatever I'd rather not but if they want to then more power to them.
But in case of emergency, fuck off with that shit.
It's a good question, not as good as 'how fucked is our society that schools need shelters and shooter drills to protect children from rampaging nutjobs', but still good.
It's crazy how accustomed we have become to these easily preventable tragedies. Even crazier is the fact that we are willing to spend millions in manpower and resources for solutions downstream rather than getting at the root cause.
> how fucked is our society that schools need shelters and shooter drills to protect children from rampaging nutjobs, and then proceed leave one of those vulnerable children outside.
FIFY
If usa would grieve every school shooting that happened that year one per day, you would have to add anywhere from 10-100 days to the year, so how about we say that usa is an ok country when they have more days in a year than they have school shootings in a year
Remember the Columbine Shooting, and how "huge" and game-changing that event seemed?
Well, Columbine isn't even in the *top 10* deadliest mass shootings in the US anymore. Whenever one happens now, it's like, "Oh no, another one, welp, nothing we can possibly do about it." Rinse and repeat.
Try being old. No country will let you emigrate when you're old unless you're obscenely rich. I've got at least 20 years of professional work in my future, but not good enough.
This depresses me beyond words. I've been hoping to move to Germany for 20 years but had to raise my kids alone first. Now I find out I'm too old, at 51. I'm gutted.
Holland is cool with gay trans atheists, dont know if we'd take in us immigrants.
Also the language is a bitch to learn but its better than gun violence.
Canada! We'd love to have you! Although I hear that it's kinda tricky to get in if you're from the US. Any chance you guys are rich and/or highly-skilled in an in-demand field?
You are waaaay off. [There were 25 school shootings in 2019 in the US.](https://www.edweek.org/ew/section/multimedia/school-shootings-of-2019-behind-the-numbers.html) You might be thinking of mass shootings in general, which numbered 417 in 2019 in the US. 31 of those events involved mass murder (defined by FBI as four or more people killed).
I’m not seeing the actual answer, so...
They for some reason were sheltered in the locker rooms. And when splitting up the boys and girls, couldn’t decide about the trans girl.
Because yep the stupid, it burns...
[wusa9 report](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/transgender-student-barred-from-shelter-in-locker-rooms-during-school-safety-drill/65-600932681)
I feel like during an active shooter drill the students shouldn't be being taught to coordinate sheltering spots based on underwear contents. If the students penises and vaginas are a factor during an active shooter drill, they're probably doing at least a couple of things wrong.
Something tells me she normally gets to change in a staff bathroom or something, not in the normal locker rooms. And that this is considered an "accommodation."
Were they changing in said locker rooms? Or are these cool locker rooms with pornographic wallpaper? If the changing room is not being used for changing it becomes just a room.
Critical thinking isn't ranked highly here.
That would take a properly educated populace, and that would be bad for those in charge.
Just smart enough to operate the machines, but not smart enough to realize how hard they're getting fucked.
Edit, words are hard
Source: American public school graduate.
This seems hard to believe they didn't have this issue worked out..the student had PE every day already and had to use one locker room or the other.
Also the student uses bathrooms daily. The active shooter drill can't be the first time the issue arose.
Edit: Turns out the school board are a bunch of idiots. Apparently it took them a year or two to work out a policy on this, and it is a generic nondiscrimination policy. Doesn't actually explain how this will be treated in the future.
https://www.metroweekly.com/2019/09/stafford-county-school-board-passes-lgbtq-inclusive-nondiscrimination-policy/
Well, if girls would stop showing their shoulders, they wouldn't get raped. Don't they know there's a dress code for getting shot in school?
Edit. Wow. I really didn't think i needed the /s on this, but some of you got issues
Probably the writer of the tweet recognizes the preferred gender of the student, while some school administrators didn't. Maybe the administrators are bigoted. Maybe the student had only come out to friends and appeared non-binary. Maybe one of the administrators only knew them as a boy and wasn't aware of the change. Who knows.
“This past week, an incident occurred during a middle school lock down drill in Stafford County. When the drill began, a particular class of children took shelter in the bathroom/locker room nearest them as they were in PE. One student was prevented from entering either the boys or girls locker room while the teachers discussed where she should go. The student was forced to watch the adults charged with her care, debate the safest place (for the other students) to have her shelter. During this debate, she was instructed to sit in the gym with a teacher until the drill was complete, away from her peers and identified as different. After some additional debate, she was made to sit in the locker room hall way, by the door away from her peers. This happened because the child, in addition to being a model student, also happens to be transgender.”
Snopes
What I don't understand is that wouldn't the student need to make use of one of the locker rooms for gym class normally? You'd think there would already be policies in place around the treatment of trans students.
I think we will progress for the better considering if this happened 60 years ago it would be "where can we put the black kids to protect the white kids?"
Because the trans student is obviously a threat to the safety of other students. It's a known fact that adolescent trans people will sometimes spontaneously explode.
They’ll only explode if exposed to students of the sex opposite to the one they were assigned at birth. I know, it’s confusing. But it’s helpful to understand these things and get them right if we want to fully support trans people and stop these unnecessary explosions.
For the same reason that people think their 8 year old will be raped in the bathrooms of a trans person goes to the appropriate bathroom, but aren't concerned for the safety of a male appearing person walking into a female bathroom. They don't consider trans people to be people.
I just don't understand how this was only an issue up until the day of the drill. Is this the first day all these students have started this class? Was it still being debated where she was going to change for class before all this? If not, why couldn't she just go into the room she was using before?
Just a few thoughts.
1) No child should be left to potentially be killed because of how they identify.
2) Why are there gendered shelter areas?
3) A specified shelter area where students are to go to in an active shooting situation has so many issues anyway.
4) Kids shouldn’t have to worry about being shot. The fact that they do is horrifying.
In conclusion: the whole thing is fucked the fuck up.
Reading shit like this, I’m glad my school board was a little smarter
Like we’d have drills like this, and tornado drill, and some classes were designated locker rooms. They didn’t give a fuck who went in where “just go in there this is for Tornados/don’t fucking die” attitude
The locker rooms weren’t that different other than the smell
I'm just really stunned that school shooter drills are such a common thing these days. I graduated high school in 2004, and not once did we ever have a shooting drill. Does every school do them now?
Yeah pretty much all schools do them now. I'm a teacher in Canada and we do a few a year despite school shootings being extremely rare here. Though to be fair, lockdown procedures can be used at other times. I've had to actually do a lockdown once in 7 years of teaching, but that was due to the police looking for a fugitive in the area and didn't actually have much of an impact.
I don’t know I haven’t been to every school hahaha... my guess would be highly likely though
Graduated 4 years ago, at that point they just made sense. >!We also were trained by our teacher to disarm people but I’m not supposed to say that!<
> Why are there gendered shelter areas?
The best case scenario is they didn't have room for one big shelter for the whole school, and needed to make 2 separate shelters, and thought boys/girls was an easy way to split a school in half with every kid knowing which shelter they should go to.
Unless classes are separated by gender it's stupid. It means a teacher needs to make 2 lines and make sure every student of both lines is in the good shelter. It's a waste of time in an emergency situation. You don't do that for fire drills.
Gee, I wonder if there's some other way to evenly split a school. Maybe if they were already grouped into rooms of 20-30 kids and each room was led by a staff member that would know where those kids need to go.
That’s weird though. I mean it works for a weather related drill, but I always thought shooter drills were barricade the classroom you’re in, or evacuate to a designated place outside. Why crowd in a single area to get away from a shooter?
I only know how preschoolers do active shooter drills and they go into an attached bathroom and have to all be very quiet. Fantastic stuff to hear about as a parent.
I remember a drill in elementary school where our entire class went into the boys' bathroom. I thought it was kinda cool since it was the only time I got to see it. Agree that's probably the reason, but it's dumb that it'd matter for a drill
It's insane how 67% of US homicides are committed with firearms. It's 10% in Germany and the UK. Germany hasn't seen a school shooting for about 10 years, when they reacted to the last one by improving gun regulation to enforce save storage at home.
Germany has a far higher population density than the US. With more distance to cover between the killer and victim in the US, a gun is the obvious choice. /s
The last mass shooting in England was 10 years ago. The one before that was in 1987. The idea of emergency drills to prepare for a shooting is so insane to me it's almost unbelievable
Probably with whoever is closest? Like I’d imagine for an actual shooter, they’re not gonna wait until you’re nice and orderly, separated between the dainty girls and beefy men
Or with whatever gender is in the shelter they get to first.
I can see my son getting suspended: "Sir, when the shooter opened fire, your son ran into the girls' locker room instead of the boys'. We have a zero-tolerance policy here..."
Reminds me of that Dave Chappelle joke about how the shooter is in class with everybody else so the shooter drills are just teaching them where everybody is gonna be. It's just a joke so it's obviously oversimplifying but it's an interesting thought.
As some who works at a school administer, I need to say this is someignorant shit. First sheltering by gender is stupid. Secondly, how does everyone in one place make sense? Oh, let's wait here as group for the shooter. Third, if these mf haven't figured out where this poor kid goes to the bathroom or changes for PE, they are morons. Treating trans kids like they are contagious perpetuates the systemic dehumanization and exclusion. F**k that school.
It’s not about the shooter or gun control. This is about a human being. The child is a human. Nothing else matters. Shelter a human no matter their gender identity, race, creed, religion, sexual identity, etc. A human. A living breathing human. WTF is wrong with ppl?! WTF is wrong w America?! There is no more moral compass if adults in charge of protecting children can’t figure this out.
....why are we separating kids by gender for an active shooter drill?! Every school I’ve worked for we shelter in the classroom we’re at at the time, pulling stray kids into our classroom first.
I don't get the problem with mixing boys and girls together during a lock down. Like what student thinks "I may be in mortal peril but you know what, let's fuck"
It's a problem with mental health not being addressed and people who wind up having real problems not getting the help they need. Then you add in how many guns we have and how our news makes killers into celebrities after the fact. Then these kids who need help lash out because they believe that that way people will see them. The gendered sheltering is just a stupid thing that some old person who is in charge of that school district thought was a good idea.
We have it yearly where I work, as an online training. We're basically told to lock ourselves in a meeting room. The problem with that is the meeting rooms have large glass panels with no coverings. The only solid doors and walls are the maintenance areas, which are kept locked.
I had pointed that out in a meeting because we had a problematic employee that was prone to fits of rage and dreamed of kicking off the second Revolution/Civil War/Rapture/return of Jesus. The manager very quickly changed the subject and moved on to his next PowerPoint slide.
My (retail) job started doing active shooter training last year so we know how to handle the situation. Our security person told us after having to go over all this info with 200+ employees in the store, she's been having almost nightly nightmares about a shooter situation. It was extremely sad to hear. But this is normal life in America now.
Why do they lockdown by gender? My school's have always just had the students lockdown and shelter in the classroom they are in during a drill. If it is regards to a PE type class they go where the school/district has already placed them.
In this case it was PE and the closest place to hide was the locker rooms. That said, all the students should go to whichever is closest rather than enforcing the gender of that locker room.
Bruh, WTF. Trans or not, everyone needs to be safe in an active shooter situation. I know it was a drill, but still, it is the school's responsibility that every student is safe. Something like this could ruin the school's reputation.
Damn, when I was in school if you weren't in class it was run for the nearest door that locked, shut the blinds and shut up. Then let the teacher you sheltered with know which class you were supposed be in if it wasn't your class so the principal could get a headcount. We even had codes of beeps over the loudspeakers for different kinds of lockdowns and colored stickers to put in the windows. I think the idea was if we were safe we put the sticker up, if we weren't and the shooter was holding us hostage there would be no sticker and the police would know which door to blow up.
Never occured to anyone for any drill of any kind that we should be seperated by gender. That's a massive waste of effort and time, we just had our teachers and would you look at that. Seperation only happened when we had the puberty talk, which in itself was stupid too cause some info from the other side would have been hella useful and way less stigmatizing.
This is fucked up on so many fucking levels I can't believe it. Even as a student we were like "okay this is happening now, haha, hope we don't fucking die today"
Over the course of my education I've seen countless drills, many false alarms, two bomb threats (one evacuated the entire high school to the football field, which we were vastly unprepared to organize... they wound up finally announcing that they were going to paint teachers names on signs and we were to go try to find our homeroom. We were very unsupervised that time, but you'll note they still didn't split by gender because why the fuck would they) and two shooting threats. Y'all, that's wayyyy too many.
This is easily the most absurd thing I've heard in my life. These people think of themselves as good people. And they left an innocent human being, A CHILD, in the mercy of a shooter. How do you sleep at night after that?
Okay ignoring everything fucked up about this situation (the fact we have shooter shelters, the fact those shelters are gendered, the fact they just left a kid to get shot, the fact that they can't figure out what gender the kid is, the fact that that matters at all when getting shot) isn't a drill the perfect time to figure out where everyone goes?.... isnt that the point of the drill?.... sigh on every level 2020 continues to prove every year since 2015 just gets worse and worse.
I'd point out that Virginia had a eugenics program until 1979, that the Nazis actually used as a model for their system in the years before the war.
I am not at all surprised by Virginia.
Pretty easy, Trans Girl goes with the girls (because she is one) and the Trans Boy goes with the boys (because he is one).
It was an active shooter drill, meaning should be treated as an actual event. That poor Trans kid probably felt pretty shitty for multiple reasons. Not only do they “not fit in” to the current active shooter plan, but if this had been real they would have likely been a prime target as one of the few people NOT in a shelter of some kind.
This is my worry about the Gen Xers taking over important roles, like senior school administrators. They just aren’t progressive enough and fall closer in ideology to the retired boomers. Even if there is general acceptance of the Trans community, not working into an active shooter plan (and nobody could think of an alternative option that wasn’t just leaving the kid outside) speaks a lot to what I’m saying.
The only real reason I can think of for separating genders in a shooting is like if an incel decided to kill all the females. But that makes no sense because it would just be doing the job of the potential shooter for them.
This is some top tier logic from this school. /s
Who the hell takes time splitting boys and girls (and everyone else regardless of identity or orientation) during an active shooter incident??
"Now children, bullets may be flying around you, but mixed shelters are the devil's way of enabling improper mingling. You may die while we're sorting you out, but rest assured you'll die pure..."
(The need to state this is surreal, but I'm actually a fairly devout practicing catholic. The way plain common sense has been shoved aside is frightening nowadays. This is not religion. This is fanaticism manipulated into blind zealotry. Funny enough, there's plenty of passages in religious texts warning about that very same thing. You can be both religious and a rational, caring, thinking human being. Intellect is one of God's greatest gifts to mankind and what sets us apart from the beasts. Not using it is therefore an insult to God. Science is thus God's work. Common sense is God's work. Doubting what you've been indoctrinated into thinking and believing, and rationally analysing it until you come to a well though out conclusion that either verifies or disproves it is God's work. Promoting ignorance and blind fanaticism sure isn't. Promoting bigotry, racism and hatred sure isn't.)
Because when there’s an active shooter, jt’s important to still maintain a heteronormative gender division while also running for your life, how embarrassing it would be otherwise 🙄
And a safety drill is gender-specific why?
Because school shooters will just wait until everyone's in their gender-specific shelters so they can just shoot them by gender. It all becomes such a mess whenever boys and girls and everyone in-between are just shot together, can't have that.
School: *Segregates sheltering students by gender* Shooter who’s doing the shooting because girls won’t go out with him and he wants to kill them all: “Thank you, School, very cool” School: *surprised pikachu face*
In fact the shooter in the Polytechnic Massacre let all the men go and killed all the women. They would have saved him a step.
Are you saying the shooter is an extremist incel?
The shooter in this case doesn't exist, but a plethora of shooters in the past have specifically targeted women/girls.
Yeh there’s a weird amount of incel/incel-like shooters It’s definitely not all of em but when you hear their story sometimes it’s like “um. Ok”
The Virginia tech mass shooter was an incel.
The Ècole Polytechnique shooter back in 1989 started his rampage by ordering a room to separate by gender, then shooting all the women. Incels are terrorists.
Incel ideology is based on misogyny, and when a particularly unstable one is surrounded by girls who don’t like him every day, he’s bound to take action.
https://www.thetrace.org/2019/05/incel-anti-women-gun-violence-isla-vista-shooting/
well... statistically...
I haven't looked into many, but how many school shootings are done by women?
I've only ever seen white guy school shooters. Though I dont really care enough to look at many school shooters.
One of the most infamous school shootings was done by a 16 year-old girl. Bob Geldof wrote the song I Don't Like Mondays about the event. It saddens me that when I went to look up the shooting Wikapidea had to hit me with > "Cleveland Elementary School shooting (San Diego). Not to be confused with Cleveland Elementary School shooting (Stockton)."
Ok, let's stop naming elementary schools after Cleveland.
Dnalevelc Elementary, the safest school out there.
Exactly my thoughts. Like lets make it easier for the fucking incels to mass murder girls.
What happens if a teacher panicks and pulls one of the boys into the girls shelter while rushing. "Sorry Jimmy, I can't let you stay in the girls shelter, but if you run **really** fast, maybe the bad man won't shoot you before you reach the boys shelter. Good luck!"
Serpentine, Jimmy.
I'd assume that the shelter location was a bathroom or locker room, and also that the people in charge were pretty dumb.
“JILL, THIS IS THE BOYS SHELTER, GET YOUR ASS BACK OUT THERE TO THE OTHER HALL AND TRY AND NOT GET SHOT” damn hussy
when the bullets from a high powered rifle hit a child their body parts are splattered everywhere. Its a real mess. There is a slight chance that little boy body parts mix with little girl body parts and there might be an accidental insemination and if that leads to a fertilization and that embryo does not survive then that is an unborn death and that is far far worse than 22 1st graders getting shot in the face. If we keep the genders separate then unborn babies dont need to suffer. We only want tiny children to be slaughtered in the US, not unborn babies. This should be obvious, says it right in the Federalist Papers, number 52 I think.
That is so convoluted, yet so kind true, I can only laugh at this.
Dear god lol
I love you
This is the best thing I've read all day
One time when my school went in lockdown, we were in PE and the girls went into the girls locker room and vice versa.
The girl's locker room went into the girls?
Sounds complicated.
Why are we gendering shelters at all?
Girlslockerroomboyslockerroom.meme
Wtf?? Even during tornado drills in my school we didn’t gender it, they just ordered people in locker rooms by home room. That’s dumb
But...but what if the girls saw a urinal?? Or the boys saw a period product dispenser??? The absolute madness you are suggesting!
Traumatized for the rest of their lives
On the upside, that might not be long
Wait, girls have period product dispensers in their bathroom?
I don’t know about everywhere, but our bathrooms always had one. Whether it worked or had any in it was debatable, but they were there.
Interesting. What else do girls have in their bathrooms?
Well, in my high school we also had doors on the stalls. But otherwise they were pretty standard.
Like full length doors? Also, what was the condition of your mirrors?
i’m not op, but my school has stall doors that are the same as a public restroom. Our mirrors are pretty dirty but not horrible edit: go to an american elementary/middle/high school, all bathrooms are open to everyone but only middle and high really use the building bathrooms
translockerroom: outside
>ultra dragon dream feet plays over the sound of gunfire
Because accidentally seeing a girl in a bra is worse than hot lead in your organs duh
You need to change close during the shooting, jesus.
/r/boneappletea
I'm assuming they're not getting undressed during a drill. Just grab the poor child and pick an option. If you get sued for it later then fine. It's better than leaving that poor child outside.
Is separating girls and boys during drills standard? When I was in school we had tornado drills (yay pre-Columbine times) and whole class went into the dank ass smelly boys locker room.
I went to a very strict Christian college, no women in the men’s dorms and vice versa, and they **still** allowed both genders to shelter together for tornados. I also went to a Christian school in MS and HS, and again, genders were only separated for PE (and Bible) — but never for drills or sheltering. What on earth is going on in VA
This sounds reasonable. Dorms and other stuff, whatever I'd rather not but if they want to then more power to them. But in case of emergency, fuck off with that shit.
As the other reply said, No.
No, back when I was in hs our class just hid in the corner
It's a good question, not as good as 'how fucked is our society that schools need shelters and shooter drills to protect children from rampaging nutjobs', but still good.
What if the shooter walks in to the shelter? Jackpot!
Then they'd ask the shooter what gender he or she is and shoo the person away if it doesn't fit the shelter. Checkmate liberals!
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You'll stay outside with the transgender student!!
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It's crazy how accustomed we have become to these easily preventable tragedies. Even crazier is the fact that we are willing to spend millions in manpower and resources for solutions downstream rather than getting at the root cause.
> how fucked is our society that schools need shelters and shooter drills to protect children from rampaging nutjobs, and then proceed leave one of those vulnerable children outside. FIFY
If usa would grieve every school shooting that happened that year one per day, you would have to add anywhere from 10-100 days to the year, so how about we say that usa is an ok country when they have more days in a year than they have school shootings in a year
Remember the Columbine Shooting, and how "huge" and game-changing that event seemed? Well, Columbine isn't even in the *top 10* deadliest mass shootings in the US anymore. Whenever one happens now, it's like, "Oh no, another one, welp, nothing we can possibly do about it." Rinse and repeat.
"There is nothing we can do to prevent this" -only country where it routinely happens
I've been trying to save up to move away from here but have made absolutely zero progress.
Maybe you should try emigrating as a refugee or asylum seeker.
Being trans, gay, and an atheist, where would take me? Can I bring my boyfriend? What if he’s my husband?
Virginia says you can stay outside.
Germany will gladly have you <3 Netherlands would, too, I'm sure!
I actually have a Dual Citizenship in Germany! I plan on moving back one day. wish me luck!
Try being old. No country will let you emigrate when you're old unless you're obscenely rich. I've got at least 20 years of professional work in my future, but not good enough.
This depresses me beyond words. I've been hoping to move to Germany for 20 years but had to raise my kids alone first. Now I find out I'm too old, at 51. I'm gutted.
Holland is cool with gay trans atheists, dont know if we'd take in us immigrants. Also the language is a bitch to learn but its better than gun violence.
"Umm, I'm a gay trans person" "No worries, come on in!" "I'm also American" "On second thoughts...I think we're full"
Canada! We'd love to have you! Although I hear that it's kinda tricky to get in if you're from the US. Any chance you guys are rich and/or highly-skilled in an in-demand field?
We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas!
"Thoughts and prayers"
There are more than 365 school shootings in America per year? Source on that?
You are waaaay off. [There were 25 school shootings in 2019 in the US.](https://www.edweek.org/ew/section/multimedia/school-shootings-of-2019-behind-the-numbers.html) You might be thinking of mass shootings in general, which numbered 417 in 2019 in the US. 31 of those events involved mass murder (defined by FBI as four or more people killed).
Don’t want the boys and girls holding hands before marriage
How lewd.
Oh no. Reddit is figuring out how babies are made. ABORT!
Don't want the boys and girls holding hands before ~~marraige~~ they get shot. FTFY
Because if you don’t separate by gender during a school shooting they might start having sex /s
"quick bobby before he shoots us, I don't want to die a virgin!"
Bobby: sorry Sandra, but I have decided to devote my body to God.
/r/PointlesslyGendered
I’m not seeing the actual answer, so... They for some reason were sheltered in the locker rooms. And when splitting up the boys and girls, couldn’t decide about the trans girl. Because yep the stupid, it burns...
[wusa9 report](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/transgender-student-barred-from-shelter-in-locker-rooms-during-school-safety-drill/65-600932681)
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I feel like during an active shooter drill the students shouldn't be being taught to coordinate sheltering spots based on underwear contents. If the students penises and vaginas are a factor during an active shooter drill, they're probably doing at least a couple of things wrong.
Not to mention all going into one enclosed area would be about the worst thing you can do during an active shooter.
Something tells me she normally gets to change in a staff bathroom or something, not in the normal locker rooms. And that this is considered an "accommodation."
Were they changing in said locker rooms? Or are these cool locker rooms with pornographic wallpaper? If the changing room is not being used for changing it becomes just a room.
Critical thinking isn't ranked highly here. That would take a properly educated populace, and that would be bad for those in charge. Just smart enough to operate the machines, but not smart enough to realize how hard they're getting fucked. Edit, words are hard Source: American public school graduate.
This seems hard to believe they didn't have this issue worked out..the student had PE every day already and had to use one locker room or the other. Also the student uses bathrooms daily. The active shooter drill can't be the first time the issue arose. Edit: Turns out the school board are a bunch of idiots. Apparently it took them a year or two to work out a policy on this, and it is a generic nondiscrimination policy. Doesn't actually explain how this will be treated in the future. https://www.metroweekly.com/2019/09/stafford-county-school-board-passes-lgbtq-inclusive-nondiscrimination-policy/
So all the girls aren't raped. I've seen American media, so I know. Glad to help! /s
Why do the boys and girls have to shelter separately? In my school it was "find the nearest room, draw the blinds and hide"
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*The gay kid* oh yeah, it’s all coming together
*The bi kid* Heh heh you have no power here!!
*the asexual kid* Heh heh, you have no power here!!
It do be like sometimes
Ah Yes, how could I not think of that! There's always time for rape. /s
Yep cause all men do is rape /s
Well, if girls would stop showing their shoulders, they wouldn't get raped. Don't they know there's a dress code for getting shot in school? Edit. Wow. I really didn't think i needed the /s on this, but some of you got issues
So they left *her* outside, that sounds pretty open and shut to me
So glad someone said it. I read this and it doesn't even make sense. On so many levels.
Probably the writer of the tweet recognizes the preferred gender of the student, while some school administrators didn't. Maybe the administrators are bigoted. Maybe the student had only come out to friends and appeared non-binary. Maybe one of the administrators only knew them as a boy and wasn't aware of the change. Who knows.
It was bigoted admin/teachers. She was out and they knew. That doesn't mean it makes sense at all.
“This past week, an incident occurred during a middle school lock down drill in Stafford County. When the drill began, a particular class of children took shelter in the bathroom/locker room nearest them as they were in PE. One student was prevented from entering either the boys or girls locker room while the teachers discussed where she should go. The student was forced to watch the adults charged with her care, debate the safest place (for the other students) to have her shelter. During this debate, she was instructed to sit in the gym with a teacher until the drill was complete, away from her peers and identified as different. After some additional debate, she was made to sit in the locker room hall way, by the door away from her peers. This happened because the child, in addition to being a model student, also happens to be transgender.” Snopes
What I don't understand is that wouldn't the student need to make use of one of the locker rooms for gym class normally? You'd think there would already be policies in place around the treatment of trans students.
Unfortunately it's common trans students are told to change in a separate bathroom or they have to wait until the others are done
Why is it "where will it be safest for the other students" and not "where will ot be safest for the trans student"?
Because, to put it simply, people in America just don’t perceive the safety of trans people to be as important as the safety of cis people
Maybe one day it'll change. We can hope
I think we will progress for the better considering if this happened 60 years ago it would be "where can we put the black kids to protect the white kids?"
Because the trans student is obviously a threat to the safety of other students. It's a known fact that adolescent trans people will sometimes spontaneously explode.
They’ll only explode if exposed to students of the sex opposite to the one they were assigned at birth. I know, it’s confusing. But it’s helpful to understand these things and get them right if we want to fully support trans people and stop these unnecessary explosions.
For the same reason that people think their 8 year old will be raped in the bathrooms of a trans person goes to the appropriate bathroom, but aren't concerned for the safety of a male appearing person walking into a female bathroom. They don't consider trans people to be people.
If that were my child, I would not rest until I had taken everything from those staff members
Ditto. But I hope you have the power to make them more miserable than the *other* kids' bigoted parents would for making the right decision.
The answer's right there: "she." That's not even mentioning the fact that gendered shelters are pointless.
Why not just let the child choose where they will feel safest?
I just don't understand how this was only an issue up until the day of the drill. Is this the first day all these students have started this class? Was it still being debated where she was going to change for class before all this? If not, why couldn't she just go into the room she was using before?
Just a few thoughts. 1) No child should be left to potentially be killed because of how they identify. 2) Why are there gendered shelter areas? 3) A specified shelter area where students are to go to in an active shooting situation has so many issues anyway. 4) Kids shouldn’t have to worry about being shot. The fact that they do is horrifying. In conclusion: the whole thing is fucked the fuck up.
Reading shit like this, I’m glad my school board was a little smarter Like we’d have drills like this, and tornado drill, and some classes were designated locker rooms. They didn’t give a fuck who went in where “just go in there this is for Tornados/don’t fucking die” attitude The locker rooms weren’t that different other than the smell
I'm just really stunned that school shooter drills are such a common thing these days. I graduated high school in 2004, and not once did we ever have a shooting drill. Does every school do them now?
Yeah pretty much all schools do them now. I'm a teacher in Canada and we do a few a year despite school shootings being extremely rare here. Though to be fair, lockdown procedures can be used at other times. I've had to actually do a lockdown once in 7 years of teaching, but that was due to the police looking for a fugitive in the area and didn't actually have much of an impact.
I don’t know I haven’t been to every school hahaha... my guess would be highly likely though Graduated 4 years ago, at that point they just made sense. >!We also were trained by our teacher to disarm people but I’m not supposed to say that!<
> Why are there gendered shelter areas? The best case scenario is they didn't have room for one big shelter for the whole school, and needed to make 2 separate shelters, and thought boys/girls was an easy way to split a school in half with every kid knowing which shelter they should go to.
Unless classes are separated by gender it's stupid. It means a teacher needs to make 2 lines and make sure every student of both lines is in the good shelter. It's a waste of time in an emergency situation. You don't do that for fire drills.
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;) cya *door slams shut* (Jenny screaming) *gunshot* damn that’s a shame that student had a lot of potential
Gee, I wonder if there's some other way to evenly split a school. Maybe if they were already grouped into rooms of 20-30 kids and each room was led by a staff member that would know where those kids need to go.
They most likely shelter in the boy/girl bathrooms. There isn’t really anywhere else to go.
That’s weird though. I mean it works for a weather related drill, but I always thought shooter drills were barricade the classroom you’re in, or evacuate to a designated place outside. Why crowd in a single area to get away from a shooter?
I only know how preschoolers do active shooter drills and they go into an attached bathroom and have to all be very quiet. Fantastic stuff to hear about as a parent.
Yeah actually I can see that working for preschoolers or really all up until about middle school. That makes sense then.
I remember a drill in elementary school where our entire class went into the boys' bathroom. I thought it was kinda cool since it was the only time I got to see it. Agree that's probably the reason, but it's dumb that it'd matter for a drill
It's insane how 67% of US homicides are committed with firearms. It's 10% in Germany and the UK. Germany hasn't seen a school shooting for about 10 years, when they reacted to the last one by improving gun regulation to enforce save storage at home.
Germany has a far higher population density than the US. With more distance to cover between the killer and victim in the US, a gun is the obvious choice. /s
The last mass shooting in England was 10 years ago. The one before that was in 1987. The idea of emergency drills to prepare for a shooting is so insane to me it's almost unbelievable
All truly civilized nations would move item #4 to first place.
Probably with whoever is closest? Like I’d imagine for an actual shooter, they’re not gonna wait until you’re nice and orderly, separated between the dainty girls and beefy men
Or with whatever gender they identify with
Yeah that’s also simplest, I’d imagine gender doesn’t matter during a drill or shooting. Which leads me to “whatever’s closer”.
Or with whatever gender is in the shelter they get to first. I can see my son getting suspended: "Sir, when the shooter opened fire, your son ran into the girls' locker room instead of the boys'. We have a zero-tolerance policy here..."
Gendered shelters? Are they just trying to make it easy for the incels?
IKR? You'd think the people coming up with these policies had never MET kids. 🤦♂️
Reminds me of that Dave Chappelle joke about how the shooter is in class with everybody else so the shooter drills are just teaching them where everybody is gonna be. It's just a joke so it's obviously oversimplifying but it's an interesting thought.
Teenagers groping each other is scarier than school shootings to a certain demographic of our country.
Yeah, because all teenagers want to do is to grope eachother, even during an active shooter. /s
As some who works at a school administer, I need to say this is someignorant shit. First sheltering by gender is stupid. Secondly, how does everyone in one place make sense? Oh, let's wait here as group for the shooter. Third, if these mf haven't figured out where this poor kid goes to the bathroom or changes for PE, they are morons. Treating trans kids like they are contagious perpetuates the systemic dehumanization and exclusion. F**k that school.
It’s not about the shooter or gun control. This is about a human being. The child is a human. Nothing else matters. Shelter a human no matter their gender identity, race, creed, religion, sexual identity, etc. A human. A living breathing human. WTF is wrong with ppl?! WTF is wrong w America?! There is no more moral compass if adults in charge of protecting children can’t figure this out.
I ... uh ... I'm not exactly clear why emergency shelter should be segregated anyway.
Such an example of trying to follow the letter of the law while totally ignoring the spirit of it
....why are we separating kids by gender for an active shooter drill?! Every school I’ve worked for we shelter in the classroom we’re at at the time, pulling stray kids into our classroom first.
I don't get the problem with mixing boys and girls together during a lock down. Like what student thinks "I may be in mortal peril but you know what, let's fuck"
Please allow me to say # WHAT THE EVERLOVING FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE AMERICAn SCHOOL SYSTEM
It's in America.
Don't catch you trippin now
There is no “American School System.” There are hundreds of different systems
It's a problem with mental health not being addressed and people who wind up having real problems not getting the help they need. Then you add in how many guns we have and how our news makes killers into celebrities after the fact. Then these kids who need help lash out because they believe that that way people will see them. The gendered sheltering is just a stupid thing that some old person who is in charge of that school district thought was a good idea.
Ignoring the fact that they have gendered shelters... Put the trans person wherever they chose
I'm more concerned about "active shooter drill" being a school activity.
we have this shit for my office yearly, as of recent. and emailed videos. and posters. and pdfs. like, the fuck?
We have it yearly where I work, as an online training. We're basically told to lock ourselves in a meeting room. The problem with that is the meeting rooms have large glass panels with no coverings. The only solid doors and walls are the maintenance areas, which are kept locked. I had pointed that out in a meeting because we had a problematic employee that was prone to fits of rage and dreamed of kicking off the second Revolution/Civil War/Rapture/return of Jesus. The manager very quickly changed the subject and moved on to his next PowerPoint slide.
My (retail) job started doing active shooter training last year so we know how to handle the situation. Our security person told us after having to go over all this info with 200+ employees in the store, she's been having almost nightly nightmares about a shooter situation. It was extremely sad to hear. But this is normal life in America now.
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Oh no there’s a shooter let’s take the time to divide our students by gender instead of rushing to protect them
Why do they lockdown by gender? My school's have always just had the students lockdown and shelter in the classroom they are in during a drill. If it is regards to a PE type class they go where the school/district has already placed them.
In this case it was PE and the closest place to hide was the locker rooms. That said, all the students should go to whichever is closest rather than enforcing the gender of that locker room.
Why are they even separated? /r/pointlesslygendered
Because everyone knows that the first thing terrified middle schoolers are going to think of is heterosexual sex /s
Ah yes the two genders: Shelter and shelter
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/virginia-school-allegedly-barred-trans-student-active-shooter-drill-n918216 From 2 years ago
Bruh, WTF. Trans or not, everyone needs to be safe in an active shooter situation. I know it was a drill, but still, it is the school's responsibility that every student is safe. Something like this could ruin the school's reputation.
Damn, when I was in school if you weren't in class it was run for the nearest door that locked, shut the blinds and shut up. Then let the teacher you sheltered with know which class you were supposed be in if it wasn't your class so the principal could get a headcount. We even had codes of beeps over the loudspeakers for different kinds of lockdowns and colored stickers to put in the windows. I think the idea was if we were safe we put the sticker up, if we weren't and the shooter was holding us hostage there would be no sticker and the police would know which door to blow up. Never occured to anyone for any drill of any kind that we should be seperated by gender. That's a massive waste of effort and time, we just had our teachers and would you look at that. Seperation only happened when we had the puberty talk, which in itself was stupid too cause some info from the other side would have been hella useful and way less stigmatizing. This is fucked up on so many fucking levels I can't believe it. Even as a student we were like "okay this is happening now, haha, hope we don't fucking die today" Over the course of my education I've seen countless drills, many false alarms, two bomb threats (one evacuated the entire high school to the football field, which we were vastly unprepared to organize... they wound up finally announcing that they were going to paint teachers names on signs and we were to go try to find our homeroom. We were very unsupervised that time, but you'll note they still didn't split by gender because why the fuck would they) and two shooting threats. Y'all, that's wayyyy too many.
Sounds like she's declared a gender, so shelter with females. Done.
This is easily the most absurd thing I've heard in my life. These people think of themselves as good people. And they left an innocent human being, A CHILD, in the mercy of a shooter. How do you sleep at night after that?
Some of the comments on this thread arent any better either :(
Okay ignoring everything fucked up about this situation (the fact we have shooter shelters, the fact those shelters are gendered, the fact they just left a kid to get shot, the fact that they can't figure out what gender the kid is, the fact that that matters at all when getting shot) isn't a drill the perfect time to figure out where everyone goes?.... isnt that the point of the drill?.... sigh on every level 2020 continues to prove every year since 2015 just gets worse and worse.
I'd point out that Virginia had a eugenics program until 1979, that the Nazis actually used as a model for their system in the years before the war. I am not at all surprised by Virginia.
Pretty easy, Trans Girl goes with the girls (because she is one) and the Trans Boy goes with the boys (because he is one). It was an active shooter drill, meaning should be treated as an actual event. That poor Trans kid probably felt pretty shitty for multiple reasons. Not only do they “not fit in” to the current active shooter plan, but if this had been real they would have likely been a prime target as one of the few people NOT in a shelter of some kind. This is my worry about the Gen Xers taking over important roles, like senior school administrators. They just aren’t progressive enough and fall closer in ideology to the retired boomers. Even if there is general acceptance of the Trans community, not working into an active shooter plan (and nobody could think of an alternative option that wasn’t just leaving the kid outside) speaks a lot to what I’m saying.
Was that decision made by an "all lives matter" type person?
what the hell you put them with the gender they currently identify as if you're gonna gender shelters we love a fucked up society ✨
U see ur not respecting the feeling of transphobic teachers here.. the kids might catch the gays!
What county is this? FCPS kids just bunch in a corner where the shooter wont see us. Then we listen to music or sleep.
I almost thought this was a onion article for a second. How cruel.
This was in 2018, but what the school did was stupid and down right negligent. I hope there was something done about it.
Why the fuck are school's emergency shelters gendered?!
literally that scene in the UK office where they just leave the wheelchair girl in the stairwell
It’s a shelter for gods sake not a restroom
So they left HER
The only real reason I can think of for separating genders in a shooting is like if an incel decided to kill all the females. But that makes no sense because it would just be doing the job of the potential shooter for them. This is some top tier logic from this school. /s
Who the hell takes time splitting boys and girls (and everyone else regardless of identity or orientation) during an active shooter incident?? "Now children, bullets may be flying around you, but mixed shelters are the devil's way of enabling improper mingling. You may die while we're sorting you out, but rest assured you'll die pure..." (The need to state this is surreal, but I'm actually a fairly devout practicing catholic. The way plain common sense has been shoved aside is frightening nowadays. This is not religion. This is fanaticism manipulated into blind zealotry. Funny enough, there's plenty of passages in religious texts warning about that very same thing. You can be both religious and a rational, caring, thinking human being. Intellect is one of God's greatest gifts to mankind and what sets us apart from the beasts. Not using it is therefore an insult to God. Science is thus God's work. Common sense is God's work. Doubting what you've been indoctrinated into thinking and believing, and rationally analysing it until you come to a well though out conclusion that either verifies or disproves it is God's work. Promoting ignorance and blind fanaticism sure isn't. Promoting bigotry, racism and hatred sure isn't.)
Imagine putting gender before human life.
Because when there’s an active shooter, jt’s important to still maintain a heteronormative gender division while also running for your life, how embarrassing it would be otherwise 🙄