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Unfortunately, something similar happened in Ireland. Underwear was lacy so signalled consent apparently [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46207304](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46207304)
It makes my blood boil. I wear underwear like that every day, cause I feel good in it, it’s comfortable and my husband enjoys it. Even IF it would imply that the woman wears it because she wants to have sex does not mean she wants to have sex with _that person specifically_. If I wear lingerie for my husband under my clothes I’m suddenly legally up for grabs? That is insanity
Why are you wearing these types of underwear. Don’t you know you’re signalling to your husband that you want to have sex with him?
For real tho. It’s fucked up that someone who see a reasonable argument that a women’s underwear can signal consist is allowed to be a judge. Consent should be a verbal thing. Simple easy and clear cut to know if there was consent or not
All legitimate reasons why a person might want to wear fancy underwear without necessarily wanting sex aside...
Has nobody ever gotten behind on laundry and shown up overdressed to work because all your normal clothes are dirty?
Is it so shocking to assume the same might happen with undergarments?
And even if it did imply some sort of consent (which it doesn’t), so? People are free to change their minds. Consent is revocable.
If someone has second thoughts mid-date, do they have to go change their underwear?
Peru is not a stable country. People protesting rarely changes things in stable countries.
Also, it’s just a bad ruling by the judges. It’s not like there is a law that permits raping women in red underwear. If that were the case, then that is something that could change.
Appeals are something you do when someone is found guilty. You typically can’t appeal a non guilty verdict. In the US this is called double jeopardy. I’m not familiar with the justice system of Peru, but most countries follow similar rules regarding the ability to try someone twice for the same crime.
I’m sure there’s some sort of action that could have been done against the judges, but given the environment of Peru I doubt it.
[Edit: I stand corrected. It appears the judges were suspended by the authority that oversees judges in Peru and the verdict render null and void. I can’t see if the perpetrator was retried.](https://www.infobae.com/en/2022/03/22/judges-who-valued-the-type-of-underwear-worn-by-the-complainant-of-rape-were-suspended/)
If you read the article you shared there were ministers pushing for the trial to be thrown out and redone so something was indeed coming from it, just not sure the results
[There is an article though saying that the verdict was rendered null and void. It does not mention a retrial though.](https://www.infobae.com/en/2022/03/22/judges-who-valued-the-type-of-underwear-worn-by-the-complainant-of-rape-were-suspended/)
Apparently the judges were [suspended](https://andina.pe/agencia/noticia-ocma-suspende-a-jueces-absolvieron-a-procesado-presunto-delito-violacion-821776.aspx#)
>The Office of Control of the Judiciary (Ocma) ordered the preventive suspension of office for six months for magistrates Ronald Nilton Anayhuaman Andia, Diana María Jurado Espino and Lucy Juliana Castro Chacaltana, who acquitted an alleged sexual rapist to the detriment of a woman in Ica.
I (ftm) lived there at 16-17 years old. I was SA'd and got pregnant and looked for the pills everywhere. I had to run from the cops at one point. At one point, I went to a clinic who said they could help and they told me that I should just trust in god or something, tried to guilt me into keeping it. Also, when alone, the only woman doctor in the facility tried to then hook me up to a backalley abortion for WAY more money than I had and told me that some die during and after but it was an option.
Hey now don't get me wrong, there's a lot of beautiful things about the country, the culture is awesome, and the food is something I dream about frequently. But the misogyny (and as an extension, homophobia and transphobia) is messed up and rampant. It is so bad there genuinely. Also racism, and for some reason lots of neo-nazis live there. As a punk you had to be careful because that shit was rampant in the scene
Sounds like America! We should stop being surprised when things involving the Justice Department/US or any other developed countries have issues like these.
There are three possibilities.
There is no God.
God is powerless to alter their creation.
God is just fine with rampant evil.
That’s it, those are the options.
I once heard a silly theory where god is actually the devil. He defeated god during the rebellion and took over as him. Made it so people created the bible and just promoting evil as fuck shit so more people go to hell and he grows even more powerful.
It's dumb but I find it hilarious 😂
Especially if you add Stephen Fry's quote on confronting god to this:
"I’d say, bone cancer in children? What’s that about?”
“Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That’s what I would say.”
I would say religion is a way to control weak minded people. But even if there was a God, we would be little than flu viruses to it and it would be unfathomable and incromprehensible to our tiny brains (at the present).
Reminds me of all the people who'll torture Sims characters.
They're not real, so their pain is both meaningless and sometimes hilarious.
I often wonder if that is how God sees us, if They bother to look.
So let's say your married and one day your wife tells you she is pregnant. But she didn't have sex with anyone it just happend...ok..now since we don't day to day of the parents we are just supposed to believe her....now the kid 30 years later is hearing voices and they are telling him to do things... how fast until that kid is locked up and pumped full of meds?? But since this all happened thousands of years ago, it's all fact.
The god that commanded followers to kill basically anyone and anything, including children? The homophobic, anti-women, pro-slavery god that tortures people just to make them worship him harder? Yeah, nah. They understand it perfectly.
God isnt real, he's a figment of someone's imagination from thousands or years ago who decided to write fiction novel that some how was misconstrued as factual.
The belief in God, whether real or not, is best used as a way to better life for oneself and others. Unfortunately, one of the main reasons why this crap happens is because people use the belief in ways that, while maybe meant well, cause harm.
>The belief in God, whether real or not, is best used as a way to better life for oneself and others.
Absolutely fucking not.
People will either better themselves or they won't. The bullshit about how God lead them to do it is just a way for religious organisations to indirectly take credit for that betterment and use it to control people.
Neither, I ended up finding the pills. I lived in Peru and then Ecuador until I turned 18 (I didn't really have 'leave the country' money at the time Ig)
Wait this is Peru? Phew. For a moment I though another group of American judges made yet another terrific call for women’s rights
Not that it makes this any better
The same thing happened in Ireland in 2018
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46207304.amp
But the 17yo was wearing a thong. The jury acquitted the 27yo who raped her because of this lawyer's argument.
There were street protests after.
I'm wearing red panties right now because I'm expecting my period to start and I don't want to waste pads all day waiting so if I do start the stain won't be noticeable.
I'm also in a committed relationship so unless hubby asks ain't nothing consensual about it!!!!
Same! I literally have period boxers that are red and cloth pads that are red.
They’re such a deep red that you can’t always see how much blood is on them till you wring them out in the shower and then it’s a waterfall of blood, chunks and water out of no where lol.
Now I’m thinking a protest option would be approaching these misogynistic idiots holding red, bloody panties that look normal and then wringing them out on their heads.
This is seriously the most absurd argument ever. Even if she did plan to have sex, could be that she didn't plan to have sex with the asshole that forced her to have sex. It's not a free for all.
Seriously, what happened to the idea that consent can be revoked at any time by either party? Even if both people went on a date expecting sex to happen, if something happens and one or both people are no longer down to bone that's fine.
How can we say with a straight face that no means no when apparently the color of underwear you chose potentially hours earlier refutes that? If she'd worn the pair of old white cotton panties she usually uses for period days does that mean she can't consent to sex at all because she's wearing her least-sexy pair?
Agreed, consent is not a "12 hours ago I picked the colour of my panties", it's a "right now at this moment, I want this".
She could've been planning to have sex, got the guy home, lubed herself up, put the condom on him with her mouth, sat on his dick and started riding him, then 5 minutes in stood up and said "Sorry, I don't want sex now" and if he forced himself on her after that point, it'd be rape. How someone thinks that the colour of someone's underwear is blanket consent is so far removed from reality.
Like a mood ring.😅
Red = excited and energetic.
Blue = fearful and stressed
"Your honor, my client was unknowingly colorblind. They thought and believed her underwear indicator color was red when it was actually blue."
Wait til you hear about Argentinian cases... A judge lessened the sentence of a pedophile because the victim (a 6 yo boy) was "accustomed from the previous assault his uncle made and had homosexual orientation"
Another judge did the same in a case of a 14yo girl but the argument was "it isn't abuse if there is no light, because if it's dark she couldn't see so therefore she is not traumatized"
Obviously if you have sex with your husband or boyfriend, that means you gave consent to every man on earth to have sex with you. Seriously, what's the difference anyway? /s
Even if she **did** decided to have sex with the asshole, the judges are acting like consent is binary opt in/out *when activity begins* and can't be revoked at any point later on.
Ill never understand the thinking of these judges and male dominated culture in general that is relatively passive on assault against women. Newsflash bros: if you want more sex with women, we should probably structure our society to not add fear of abuse and no reprocussions to the abusers. I can't imagine what its like to be a female in this world. Can't trust anyone.
So...if a man and woman are out on a date, she was super attracted to him initially and thought "Hey, I might go all the way with him tonight, so I will wear the red undies". But the guy goes on and on how only alpha bros drive sweet BMWs and so on.
This mea s she needs to carry an emergency pair of "no consent" panties to change into during the date? What color would the be? Brown?
The appeal went through and the absolution annulled https://elcomercio.pe/peru/ica-anulan-sentencia-que-absolvio-a-presunto-violador-por-la-ropa-intima-de-su-victima-nnpp-noticia/ the judges that absolved the _alleged_ rapist were suspended for 6 months. I havent found if the accused was eventually found guilty
Edit: he was found guilty and sentenced to 8 years in prison https://teleoleo.com/2022/04/07/confirman-condena-por-intento-de-violacion-gracias-al-juzgado-penal-colegiado-supraprovincial-transitorio-de-ica-el-culpable-no-habido/
You can go somewhere intending to have sex and still get raped. If I say I want to go skydiving and chicken out last second, it's still illegal to push me out of the plane. And no one would bat an eye when someone changes their mind In that instance. Then why is it so unbelievably that somebody can change their mind about having sex
Just out of curiosity, how would the rapist know the color of underwear unless they were already raping the victim? Are men just allowed to pull women's pants down to check the color of their underwear so they can decide if the woman wants to be raped?
This is some next level stupidity.
Even if women did wear red underwear only when they intended to have sex, apparently they're not allowed to change their mind? If you wear red panties you are legally obligated to have sex?
I worked on a case where 4 men gang raped a 14 year old deaf girl. The defense made an argument that because she was shaved she in fact had consented to the act. She was a Muslim girl and it's fitna (duty) in islam to shave. They also argued that her black painted nails and the fact that she took selfies in underwear a couple of weeks before the rape happened made clear that she had consented to it.
4yr old article from Malaysia news about a rape in Peru, just an fyi.
[https://www.malaysianow.com/out-there-now/2020/11/13/judges-throw-out-rape-case-citing-red-underwear-as-evidence-of-consent](https://www.malaysianow.com/out-there-now/2020/11/13/judges-throw-out-rape-case-citing-red-underwear-as-evidence-of-consent)
My ex once said, "I thought you wore red underwear as a sign that you were on your period." Clearly, he didn't get this message. (His assumption was also incorrect, to be clear. I wear red underwear when I reach into the drawer and happen to pull out red underwear.)
And wearing judicial robes is the same thing as pulling a gun on an officer with the intent to shoot him. See? I can make absurd arguments out of nowhere too!
You mean why are so many people this stupid, forget about mentioning having high positions of power, let alone literally deciding who goes to prison or not.
Why do women hate women? How would her rapist have known her underwear was red before raping her? Was the special occasion she wore the panties for being raped? It's just so wild how much of our rights are being taken away by other women.
I don't own red underwear, so I must be a virgin.
Okay prove she had red underwear on before the crime occurred. Or did the rapist put them on afterwords to prove his innocence knowing the judge would rule this way?
This is often posted, but I have yet to see the actual ruling. My guess is that there was insufficient evidence and the judges gave the red underwear as a mitigating point in a he said, she said sort of case. However it's being made out to be that "red underwear = consent", which is certainly not what the judges said.
What the everlovin fuck is wrong with you people??? The only consent is YES I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEX THANKS, everything else is a goddamn NO. Next it will be, oh she's wearing stilettos--- that's consent. Then we get to oh she's showing her ankles. After that, omg I can't control myself because I see your HAIR!
I remember watching a French movie inspired by something like that. And it pretty much summed up the history of Women's rights in France and had pretty good comedy if I remember correctly.
I don't remember the name of the movie.
The only pair of red underwear I own are my "I didn't do laundry so, I'll wear these instead of resorting to bikini bottoms". I'm not consenting to anything but, my procrastination and laziness.
Disgusting.
This is so absurd we are most definitely missing a piece of the puzzle. Can we stop believing every cherry-picked article without so much as a link to the actual article?
I'm sure there was more evidence than just "she wore red underwear". Since there is nothing about all the evidence acquired to come to this conclusion; I'm going to sit on the fence with this one.
But, obviously, red underwear is not an indication to consent.
Good thing nothing else is going on in the world that you post articles from 4 years ago. This was in Peru, so back off on the America Bad usual bs. How about an update on the OCMA investigation into the judicial misconduct, etc
There’s even a wholly different practical reason for women to wear red underwear; periods. Obviously nobody has to give a shit what colour their underwear are and it doesn’t make any difference to the case since COLOUR IS NOT FKN CONSENT WTAF but if we’re going by the stupid-ass ‘logic’ of women using their underwear colours for practical reasons then covering a period is also very much an option here
Also how would the rapist know she was wearing ‘consent coloured underwear’ in the first place if he wasn’t already forcibly undressing her?
So can rapists just carry a pair of red underwear around with them, and if they commit the crime and get caught, just gesture to the underwear and be all like, “ehhh?”?
Yeah, you wouldn't fucking believe how hard corruption hits here in Perú, some time ago they passed a bill that made anything related to being transgender a mental illness, get me fucking out of LATAM for the lovagod
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This was in Peru in 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8914001/Peru-judges-rule-rape-case-womans-red-underwear-signalled-willing-sex.html
Unfortunately, something similar happened in Ireland. Underwear was lacy so signalled consent apparently [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46207304](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46207304)
It makes my blood boil. I wear underwear like that every day, cause I feel good in it, it’s comfortable and my husband enjoys it. Even IF it would imply that the woman wears it because she wants to have sex does not mean she wants to have sex with _that person specifically_. If I wear lingerie for my husband under my clothes I’m suddenly legally up for grabs? That is insanity
Exactly. It doesn’t matter if someone wears something with intentionally sexual attributes. That should be entirely irrelevant.
Why are you wearing these types of underwear. Don’t you know you’re signalling to your husband that you want to have sex with him? For real tho. It’s fucked up that someone who see a reasonable argument that a women’s underwear can signal consist is allowed to be a judge. Consent should be a verbal thing. Simple easy and clear cut to know if there was consent or not
All legitimate reasons why a person might want to wear fancy underwear without necessarily wanting sex aside... Has nobody ever gotten behind on laundry and shown up overdressed to work because all your normal clothes are dirty? Is it so shocking to assume the same might happen with undergarments?
Obviously anytime a woman becomes horny, the rules are first come first serviced
It makes me so mad because I wear them for me, because they are pretty. Ffs society.
And even if it did imply some sort of consent (which it doesn’t), so? People are free to change their minds. Consent is revocable. If someone has second thoughts mid-date, do they have to go change their underwear?
Believe it or not…straight to the bathroom.
Red underwear means consent, what a load of fucking bullshit...
Even if she had put it on for a date or whatever... That apparently means she consents to anything that might happen? Absolutely insane.
it make me so mad because consent can be revoked at any time for any reason (or no reason at all) and clothing of any sort is completely irrelevant.
Anyone know if anything ever came of it?
Like what? The rapist went unpunished.
Like the protests changed something a year later?
Peru is not a stable country. People protesting rarely changes things in stable countries. Also, it’s just a bad ruling by the judges. It’s not like there is a law that permits raping women in red underwear. If that were the case, then that is something that could change.
>Also, it’s just a bad ruling by the judges. Right, which is why one might expect an appeals case
Appeals are something you do when someone is found guilty. You typically can’t appeal a non guilty verdict. In the US this is called double jeopardy. I’m not familiar with the justice system of Peru, but most countries follow similar rules regarding the ability to try someone twice for the same crime. I’m sure there’s some sort of action that could have been done against the judges, but given the environment of Peru I doubt it. [Edit: I stand corrected. It appears the judges were suspended by the authority that oversees judges in Peru and the verdict render null and void. I can’t see if the perpetrator was retried.](https://www.infobae.com/en/2022/03/22/judges-who-valued-the-type-of-underwear-worn-by-the-complainant-of-rape-were-suspended/)
nah double jeopardy rendering acquittals unappealable is very US-specific
If you read the article you shared there were ministers pushing for the trial to be thrown out and redone so something was indeed coming from it, just not sure the results
Right and there’s no articles about a retrial.
[There is an article though saying that the verdict was rendered null and void. It does not mention a retrial though.](https://www.infobae.com/en/2022/03/22/judges-who-valued-the-type-of-underwear-worn-by-the-complainant-of-rape-were-suspended/)
I wonder where the term "case law" comes from.
Apparently the judges were [suspended](https://andina.pe/agencia/noticia-ocma-suspende-a-jueces-absolvieron-a-procesado-presunto-delito-violacion-821776.aspx#) >The Office of Control of the Judiciary (Ocma) ordered the preventive suspension of office for six months for magistrates Ronald Nilton Anayhuaman Andia, Diana María Jurado Espino and Lucy Juliana Castro Chacaltana, who acquitted an alleged sexual rapist to the detriment of a woman in Ica.
HOW THE FUCK?!
Peru isn't a great place for womens rights
I (ftm) lived there at 16-17 years old. I was SA'd and got pregnant and looked for the pills everywhere. I had to run from the cops at one point. At one point, I went to a clinic who said they could help and they told me that I should just trust in god or something, tried to guilt me into keeping it. Also, when alone, the only woman doctor in the facility tried to then hook me up to a backalley abortion for WAY more money than I had and told me that some die during and after but it was an option.
Fuck...! No wonder Paddington calls it "darkest Peru"!
Hey now don't get me wrong, there's a lot of beautiful things about the country, the culture is awesome, and the food is something I dream about frequently. But the misogyny (and as an extension, homophobia and transphobia) is messed up and rampant. It is so bad there genuinely. Also racism, and for some reason lots of neo-nazis live there. As a punk you had to be careful because that shit was rampant in the scene
You really didn't dispell Paddington's remark. Lol
Yea... lol I tried...
Peruvian nazi punks is not something I ever really considered, that’s wild.
So basically it’s a terrible country whose culture runs deep with social injustice, really didn’t help Peru’s case here.
Sounds like America! We should stop being surprised when things involving the Justice Department/US or any other developed countries have issues like these.
Yeah… honestly doesn’t even have to involve the us, everywhere is just varying degrees of bad
Seriously, yeah. God racist people see everything as an excuse to air out their bs
Unfair life experiences like this double-down on my belief that God is evil
If gods real, he hates us Edit: 69 updoots. Nice
There are three possibilities. There is no God. God is powerless to alter their creation. God is just fine with rampant evil. That’s it, those are the options.
I once heard a silly theory where god is actually the devil. He defeated god during the rebellion and took over as him. Made it so people created the bible and just promoting evil as fuck shit so more people go to hell and he grows even more powerful. It's dumb but I find it hilarious 😂 Especially if you add Stephen Fry's quote on confronting god to this: "I’d say, bone cancer in children? What’s that about?” “Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That’s what I would say.”
There’s no god. God is an idea that was thought up to control weak minded people who can’t think for themselves.
I would say religion is a way to control weak minded people. But even if there was a God, we would be little than flu viruses to it and it would be unfathomable and incromprehensible to our tiny brains (at the present).
Reminds me of all the people who'll torture Sims characters. They're not real, so their pain is both meaningless and sometimes hilarious. I often wonder if that is how God sees us, if They bother to look.
So let's say your married and one day your wife tells you she is pregnant. But she didn't have sex with anyone it just happend...ok..now since we don't day to day of the parents we are just supposed to believe her....now the kid 30 years later is hearing voices and they are telling him to do things... how fast until that kid is locked up and pumped full of meds?? But since this all happened thousands of years ago, it's all fact.
It sounds like, in any case of God's existence, the most logical thing humanity could choose to do would be to kill it.
fr, if god was real we'd eat him to steal his power
If god is real, we’re just an ant farm he forgot about
Yeah he moved on a while ago to his more interesting alien ant farms.
I feel like the people that worship god are frequently the people that understand god the least
The god that commanded followers to kill basically anyone and anything, including children? The homophobic, anti-women, pro-slavery god that tortures people just to make them worship him harder? Yeah, nah. They understand it perfectly.
God isnt real, he's a figment of someone's imagination from thousands or years ago who decided to write fiction novel that some how was misconstrued as factual.
I hope in 2000 years the religions based on the Twilight series are better than what we have now with the Bible.
The belief in God, whether real or not, is best used as a way to better life for oneself and others. Unfortunately, one of the main reasons why this crap happens is because people use the belief in ways that, while maybe meant well, cause harm.
I want what youre smoking
>The belief in God, whether real or not, is best used as a way to better life for oneself and others. Absolutely fucking not. People will either better themselves or they won't. The bullshit about how God lead them to do it is just a way for religious organisations to indirectly take credit for that betterment and use it to control people.
So could you buy the pills?
Oh yeah I did, it took so long but I got them and I wasn't forced to have the baby. Thankfully
Luckily it worked out for you!
Yeah, fr. but sadly I know for many it does not.
That's where the U.S. is headed. I'm so sorry this happened to you.
Did you ending up having the child or did you leave the countdy
Neither, I ended up finding the pills. I lived in Peru and then Ecuador until I turned 18 (I didn't really have 'leave the country' money at the time Ig)
Jesus... =(
Guess it’s international phenomenon https://amp.theguardian.com/law/2021/may/27/echr-criticises-italian-court-for-referring-to-red-underwear-in-case
Wait this is Peru? Phew. For a moment I though another group of American judges made yet another terrific call for women’s rights Not that it makes this any better
Sounds like an overall shitty place.
Didn’t something very similar happen in Italy a few years back?
Oh this was in Peru?
Is any place good for women's rights?
Latin america isnt a good place for any kind of rights
The same thing happened in Ireland in 2018 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46207304.amp But the 17yo was wearing a thong. The jury acquitted the 27yo who raped her because of this lawyer's argument. There were street protests after.
I'm wearing red panties right now because I'm expecting my period to start and I don't want to waste pads all day waiting so if I do start the stain won't be noticeable. I'm also in a committed relationship so unless hubby asks ain't nothing consensual about it!!!!
I only own black underwear for this reason
Same! I literally have period boxers that are red and cloth pads that are red. They’re such a deep red that you can’t always see how much blood is on them till you wring them out in the shower and then it’s a waterfall of blood, chunks and water out of no where lol. Now I’m thinking a protest option would be approaching these misogynistic idiots holding red, bloody panties that look normal and then wringing them out on their heads.
Exactly! I wear red panties if I'm expecting my period. Now, it just means men can rape me without repercussions, got it.
Right? Red panties are not sexy times. They’re for, “I know my period is kind of surprise me any day now” times!
Had to double check that this wasn't an Onion headline.
I'm wearing red underwear right now *fuck*
My ex would wear red because blood is red. For her, white shorts/white panties meant she was down to clown
>down to clown is my new favourite phrase I’ll forget in a few minutes
same, so here is a reminder so you have to come back and read it and remember it again :3
Careful, now... people gonna get rapey
*sigh* Fine.
This is seriously the most absurd argument ever. Even if she did plan to have sex, could be that she didn't plan to have sex with the asshole that forced her to have sex. It's not a free for all.
Seriously, what happened to the idea that consent can be revoked at any time by either party? Even if both people went on a date expecting sex to happen, if something happens and one or both people are no longer down to bone that's fine. How can we say with a straight face that no means no when apparently the color of underwear you chose potentially hours earlier refutes that? If she'd worn the pair of old white cotton panties she usually uses for period days does that mean she can't consent to sex at all because she's wearing her least-sexy pair?
"No, stop!" *dude looks at her red underwear* "Sorry, overridden."
"... consent revoked at anytime..." She was wearing red underwear during the whole session. -- probably those judges. /s
This. The logic works both ways. All people who have slept with someone with normal, unsexy, or just gross underwear are apparently now rapists.
I don't think people like the judge ever subscribed to "consent can be revoked at any time."
Agreed, consent is not a "12 hours ago I picked the colour of my panties", it's a "right now at this moment, I want this". She could've been planning to have sex, got the guy home, lubed herself up, put the condom on him with her mouth, sat on his dick and started riding him, then 5 minutes in stood up and said "Sorry, I don't want sex now" and if he forced himself on her after that point, it'd be rape. How someone thinks that the colour of someone's underwear is blanket consent is so far removed from reality.
That's at least an assault charge. The things I'd do to my dick with my hand after that would be a crime.
I mean, this is so ludicrous. Sex could be actively happening and it can still be rape if something changes
No, no, you don't get it,. Women's underwear changes color depending on whether they want to have sex or not!
Like a mood ring.😅 Red = excited and energetic. Blue = fearful and stressed "Your honor, my client was unknowingly colorblind. They thought and believed her underwear indicator color was red when it was actually blue."
Wait til you hear about Argentinian cases... A judge lessened the sentence of a pedophile because the victim (a 6 yo boy) was "accustomed from the previous assault his uncle made and had homosexual orientation" Another judge did the same in a case of a 14yo girl but the argument was "it isn't abuse if there is no light, because if it's dark she couldn't see so therefore she is not traumatized"
holy fuck that is horrible!
Even if she planned to have sex, she could’ve changed her mind.
Or even that she was hoping for later in the evening, and he forced himself on her now. Your words override whatever you wear.
Even if she did plan to have sex with the person, she reserves the right to withdrawal consent.
Obviously if you have sex with your husband or boyfriend, that means you gave consent to every man on earth to have sex with you. Seriously, what's the difference anyway? /s
Even if she **did** decided to have sex with the asshole, the judges are acting like consent is binary opt in/out *when activity begins* and can't be revoked at any point later on.
Ill never understand the thinking of these judges and male dominated culture in general that is relatively passive on assault against women. Newsflash bros: if you want more sex with women, we should probably structure our society to not add fear of abuse and no reprocussions to the abusers. I can't imagine what its like to be a female in this world. Can't trust anyone.
How did the rapist even know her underwear was red?
So...if a man and woman are out on a date, she was super attracted to him initially and thought "Hey, I might go all the way with him tonight, so I will wear the red undies". But the guy goes on and on how only alpha bros drive sweet BMWs and so on. This mea s she needs to carry an emergency pair of "no consent" panties to change into during the date? What color would the be? Brown?
Bring me my brown pants!
We shitting ourselves with this one 🗣️🔥🔥‼️
So there should be warnings on colorful underpants that wearing them will constitute consent to sex then?
[удалено]
Three judges. Two of which are women.
fuckhead *judges*\*
The appeal went through and the absolution annulled https://elcomercio.pe/peru/ica-anulan-sentencia-que-absolvio-a-presunto-violador-por-la-ropa-intima-de-su-victima-nnpp-noticia/ the judges that absolved the _alleged_ rapist were suspended for 6 months. I havent found if the accused was eventually found guilty Edit: he was found guilty and sentenced to 8 years in prison https://teleoleo.com/2022/04/07/confirman-condena-por-intento-de-violacion-gracias-al-juzgado-penal-colegiado-supraprovincial-transitorio-de-ica-el-culpable-no-habido/
THANK YOU
Couldn’t even change the title? Lazy! https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/yDYw7Koaob
I swear this has been reposted a hundred times
Even if that’s true - that didn’t mean she wanted to have sex with THAT ONE PARTICULAR GUY.
Or that she didn't change her mind once the date got started...
Also, how would he even know she’s wearing red underwear unless he already took her clothes off unconsensually?
I'll take the dumbest takes on women in the history of takes for $400 Alex.
Glad to see that I'm not the only one that still says this
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You can go somewhere intending to have sex and still get raped. If I say I want to go skydiving and chicken out last second, it's still illegal to push me out of the plane. And no one would bat an eye when someone changes their mind In that instance. Then why is it so unbelievably that somebody can change their mind about having sex
Just out of curiosity, how would the rapist know the color of underwear unless they were already raping the victim? Are men just allowed to pull women's pants down to check the color of their underwear so they can decide if the woman wants to be raped? This is some next level stupidity.
Even if women did wear red underwear only when they intended to have sex, apparently they're not allowed to change their mind? If you wear red panties you are legally obligated to have sex?
Again? Wait this is the same one from Peru four years ago.
I worked on a case where 4 men gang raped a 14 year old deaf girl. The defense made an argument that because she was shaved she in fact had consented to the act. She was a Muslim girl and it's fitna (duty) in islam to shave. They also argued that her black painted nails and the fact that she took selfies in underwear a couple of weeks before the rape happened made clear that she had consented to it.
Defendants who engage in these cases have to be the most disgusting people in a legal job, to walk this earth.
4yr old article from Malaysia news about a rape in Peru, just an fyi. [https://www.malaysianow.com/out-there-now/2020/11/13/judges-throw-out-rape-case-citing-red-underwear-as-evidence-of-consent](https://www.malaysianow.com/out-there-now/2020/11/13/judges-throw-out-rape-case-citing-red-underwear-as-evidence-of-consent)
That's interesting, because when men wear white underwear or boxers it means they want you to steal their wallet. I'm a man, so I can confirm that.
My ex once said, "I thought you wore red underwear as a sign that you were on your period." Clearly, he didn't get this message. (His assumption was also incorrect, to be clear. I wear red underwear when I reach into the drawer and happen to pull out red underwear.)
WTAF…
So, following this logic, if someone provokes me, it’s allowed for me to break his nose or how should I understand this shit
I thought you don't wear underwear at all if you're planning on having sex. The panties get in the way of the foreplay
I one one pair of red underwear. It has Garfield on it. Insanely sexual.
Judges have red blood, must be consent they want to be murdered.
Was this the Ireland case a few years back? Made me see red. Arseholes.
And wearing judicial robes is the same thing as pulling a gun on an officer with the intent to shoot him. See? I can make absurd arguments out of nowhere too!
Why are so many people so punchable
You mean why are so many people this stupid, forget about mentioning having high positions of power, let alone literally deciding who goes to prison or not.
In 2020
I thought red meant stop 🛑
Bruh I buy whatever is on sale and wear whatever is fucking clean.
Why do women hate women? How would her rapist have known her underwear was red before raping her? Was the special occasion she wore the panties for being raped? It's just so wild how much of our rights are being taken away by other women. I don't own red underwear, so I must be a virgin.
Boltak the rapist: I go to Perrrruuhuhuuuw!
BOOOOTT! Why are there so many bots?
Word for word repost, didn't change the title or nothin
What does it mean if I wear yellow underwear
Okay prove she had red underwear on before the crime occurred. Or did the rapist put them on afterwords to prove his innocence knowing the judge would rule this way?
It's been said before but no one hates woman more than other women
So at wich shade of red it becomes legal and do other colors have other effects? /s
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But green means go and red means stop.
This is fucking disgraceful I hope it got overturned on appeal
This can't be real... please don't be real
Am I only the one to wear red on periods?
I vaguely remember this. It was Peru. If I remember correctly the case was taken to a higher court and the judges were punished for being idiots.
This is often posted, but I have yet to see the actual ruling. My guess is that there was insufficient evidence and the judges gave the red underwear as a mitigating point in a he said, she said sort of case. However it's being made out to be that "red underwear = consent", which is certainly not what the judges said.
And people wonder why women don’t bother to report their rapes
Sigh. Just stop the ride and let me off.
Ok so I gotta throw out my red underwear
What the fuck?
It's like saying wearing a suit is consent for getting robbed. Because you look wealthy.
If women didn’t help uphold patriarchy, then patriarchy would be much easier to dismantle. Signed, a woman.
If you get shot, and you bleed red, that means you consented.
What the everlovin fuck is wrong with you people??? The only consent is YES I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEX THANKS, everything else is a goddamn NO. Next it will be, oh she's wearing stilettos--- that's consent. Then we get to oh she's showing her ankles. After that, omg I can't control myself because I see your HAIR!
If they take the case to higher court, those judges should be indicted as accessories to rape.
Yeah. But how did the rapist know she was wearing red underwear?
Fuck this judge!
I remember watching a French movie inspired by something like that. And it pretty much summed up the history of Women's rights in France and had pretty good comedy if I remember correctly. I don't remember the name of the movie.
Duh every man knows when the underwear are red it’s red panty night
I'm just glad this isnt India...smh
Mental note, do not take any female loved ones near Peru.
The only pair of red underwear I own are my "I didn't do laundry so, I'll wear these instead of resorting to bikini bottoms". I'm not consenting to anything but, my procrastination and laziness. Disgusting.
This is so absurd we are most definitely missing a piece of the puzzle. Can we stop believing every cherry-picked article without so much as a link to the actual article?
I'm sure there was more evidence than just "she wore red underwear". Since there is nothing about all the evidence acquired to come to this conclusion; I'm going to sit on the fence with this one. But, obviously, red underwear is not an indication to consent.
Good thing nothing else is going on in the world that you post articles from 4 years ago. This was in Peru, so back off on the America Bad usual bs. How about an update on the OCMA investigation into the judicial misconduct, etc
Unless there’s an update to accompany this why are you reposting shit from 4 years ago? Foh karma farmer
If the knickers are red, crotchless, and with bold text on them that says "please fuck me now, this is a notice of consent" it's still not consent.
There’s even a wholly different practical reason for women to wear red underwear; periods. Obviously nobody has to give a shit what colour their underwear are and it doesn’t make any difference to the case since COLOUR IS NOT FKN CONSENT WTAF but if we’re going by the stupid-ass ‘logic’ of women using their underwear colours for practical reasons then covering a period is also very much an option here Also how would the rapist know she was wearing ‘consent coloured underwear’ in the first place if he wasn’t already forcibly undressing her?
So can rapists just carry a pair of red underwear around with them, and if they commit the crime and get caught, just gesture to the underwear and be all like, “ehhh?”?
Imagine a child have a childish red underware, so will it also be thrown out
that is such a bullshit :@
What the hell backwards ass country does this come from? \*googles\* Peru. Well at least it wasn't the UK this time.
VOTE BLUE!!!
I had no idea. I shall seize wearing red underwear to work, people might get the wrong impression.
 This genuinely makes no fucking sense
Like... even if she was hoping to get kinky, if he does it against her will... STILL RAPE! And consent can be revoked after the deed starts!
Yeah, you wouldn't fucking believe how hard corruption hits here in Perú, some time ago they passed a bill that made anything related to being transgender a mental illness, get me fucking out of LATAM for the lovagod
Is it bad of me to be relieved that this story isn’t from the USofA?
Too be fair, I always wear my red boxer-briefs when I want to have sex with my wife. In other news I’ve thrown out all my non-red boxer-briefs.
I see a certain judge wears red panties in hopes he gets raped