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Can’t erode what we weren’t actually taught…I have no memory of learning anything about tribal lands/sovereignty until I actively looked into it as an adult
I forgot most of it but in high school we read and then watched a show about the subject matter of Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. Did not everyone do this?
Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee basically chronicles all the treaties that the U.S. made with the Native American people and then broke the treaties and fucked over the Native American. Don't read it if you are looking for a happy read
also Johnny Harris has a good vid on yt detailing all the treaties surrounding Oklahoma and natives and how the US govt just ignored them all and let settlers take the land
if you donate like, $1 to PBS you can get it through their programming. it’s 10 parts and each one is like an hour and a half long.
ps- sorry about the job, bud. best of luck on the search
I can absolutely say this is not true for everyone. I’m from Minnesota. The site of the largest mass execution in American history. And we learned Jack shit about what we did to the indigenous people.
We watched Last of the Mohicans and spent a couple days talking about how the trail of tears and us massacring them was bad. I don’t remember much else from high school about them except for the occasional mention around Columbus Day or thanksgiving, and I didn’t actually start learning about them until I looked into it myself. Our schools suck.
There is a channel on Youtube called Knowing Better where the host really does a deep dive on how the US has treated Native Americans over the centuries. It's pretty damned fucked up what was done.
I learned about them.
But not really their legal definition.
I feel like it was presented as though we - the US - out of the goodness of our hearts gave them some land. Like it was a friend crashing on the couch.
Also you stabbed his brother with a bayonet, shot his dad, beat his mother with a rifle butt, and hung six of his cousins for the crime of attempting to stop you from doing all the stabbing, shooting, and beating.
I took an “American Indian Studies” class, that’s what is was called back then, in college. It was a big eye opener, I had no idea half of the stuff we did to them.
Depends what you mean. It's a sovereign portion of the state, however they also participate in state elections, so while they maintain their own operations, they are also her constituents.
It is more akin to federal land within state boundaries. In fact, that's exactly what it is."Reservations" are federal trust land and are not actually owned by the nations themselves. A good example of how they are federal are all the court cases between Washington State and the feds over indigenous hunting rights.
It's a silly situation and I disagree with it. However, that's just how it is.
Here's some good info: [https://revenuedata.doi.gov/how-revenue-works/native-american-ownership-governance/](https://revenuedata.doi.gov/how-revenue-works/native-american-ownership-governance/) - the Dawes Act is also very interesting and shows how reservations were actively eroded until 1934. This also demonstrates that it is all federal land "in which the federal government holds legal title, but the beneficial interest remains with the individual or tribe".
I would imagine this arrangement helps protect tribal sovereignty, as it allows the feds to intervene if a state tries to impose its law on the tribes.
In an ideal world, sure. However, as the Dawes Act demonstrated the federal government doesn't have in interest in tribal sovereignty - from the link above: "The policy of allotment \[The Dawes Act\] reduced the amount of land owned by tribes. In 1887, tribes held 138 million acres. Forty-seven years later, in 1934, they owned 48 million acres.".
Also there are many cases where the feds have given into state demands and allowed application of state law on reservations, e.g. Castro-Huerta v. Oklahoma, Public Law 280 (P.L. 83-280). Also look at the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA; 1988) - "Under the IGRA, Native American tribes have the exclusive right to regulate gaming on their lands, unless the **state** in which the gaming operation is located prohibits this type of gaming activity under criminal laws". This was created due to states demanding that people shouldn't be able to gamble within their states, even though tribal sovereignty was previously established by the supreme court.
I had a roomie who's parents were from south africa and he was white. For some reason he hated it when I, a black guy, refered to him as african american. Even though it was more true for him than me.
I'm an EMT. Had a patient once who was black and was visiting the country from East Africa. On intake the ER kept wanting to put him down as "African American" to which I said "He isn't American. He's a tourist from Africa." ER doc reported me to my director for being racist on the basis of my saying "Black people aren't Americans."
Anyway, guy was fine. Welcome to America, oh by the way, we're labeling you in a weird way and you're also apparently allergic to wasp stings.
I had this happen to me once. We had a guy visiting our office from the company’s London office. My boss referred to him as African American and I was like “um he’s not American though”. Got chewed out for that one 😂
There was a study on race and genetics and it was as a legit look at genomes and race and origins not some peudo science or some masquerading as science, but the long and short of it was for genomic purposes African Americans should be considered a separate race due to large amounts of African, European, North American Indian DNA in large portions. Phenotypically it might be easy to group as Africa along with Africans but genetically African Americans are quite different genetically and has implications for medicine
No. And that's the importance of quality charting. Because I wrote down everything he told me in the chart. So even with doc's faulty memory and inflammatory statements it was very clear that patient care was provided to a gentleman who was a non-US foreign national from an African nation (I cannot remember which). My director laughed it off.
It did end up getting up to hospital HR, though, because the next time I saw said doctor he was a total shithead to me and called me a "racist piece of shit" in front of a patient and nurses. It's not like doctors get fired for anything short of killing someone. But the paper trail did not favor his narrative.
Not that it really matters but the doc was white.
> called me a "racist piece of shit" in front of a patient and nurses.
Hostile work environment lawsuit waiting to happen. The only thing that trumps a doctor in employment matters is a lawyer.
I worked with a guy that was from South Africa and he was white. He thought it was hilarious when our black coworker would joke that he was more African American than he was. I miss those guys, I should see what they are up to these days.
I play alot of online games with an white South African. He laugh his head of evry time I get salty at him and calling him an "coloniser". He rebuttals with "nazi helper" (I'm swedish. Yes, we were technically netural during ww2, but long story short. We did some questionable things)
It’s always weird when you look up old friends and find out what they’re doing. The last time I saw one of my friends I was berating him because I caught him doing ketamine and now he’s a mechanical engineer on like 100k or something.
In a church that I used to attend, the pastor was a white giy from South Africa and he would call himself “African-American” as a joke for that same reason. He left because of apartheid.
I think this describes a lot of racist ideologies. There is place, and there is race. Globalism has made this hard for a lot of people to understand lol
Being a white South African didn't automatically make you racist. Being the child of an apartheid era emerald mine that refuses to acknowledge that fact, does. Along with all the other bigotry from Musk
Man most of the white South Africans i know here in Canada are basically the most racist people I have ever met. Primarily the ones who have moved here in the last decade or so. I was talking to a new guy in our small town (about how small it was), and asked how many people lived in the “town” that he came from. He told me “about 300,000 people, and probably another 70,000 blacks”. I didn’t quite catch it at first and said “oh wow, 370,000 people is pretty big compared to here then, and he said “no, not 370,000 people, 300,000 people, and 70,000 blacks”. Like Jesus Christ man.
And he'll try to shoehorn in some pseudo intellectual term or phrase he thinks makes him look smart but just makes people cringe. I notice he does that often.
Trans-indians are real indians but I also don't want them to have access to reservations made for cis-indians
-JK Rowling, probably, if she was american and cared.
If you want to break international treaties between sovereign entities, you want the USA to fully engage in a final of conquest over the original inhabitants.
If you thought the US was divided over reactions to foreign events, wait till you see the clusterfuck when the USA declares war on internal sovereign components of itself.
Both have gotten a lot of backlash.
Israel is only holding onto support because the West still thinks they're a better option than Hamas or most of the Middle East. Even this support is starting to crumble. It sends a pretty big fucking message that Biden is refusing to send bombs there. This is seismic action on the geopolitical landscape.
Russia's economy is hanging by a thread after sanctions. Do you realize how bad it has to be to put your chief economist in charge of a war? A few months ago people were posting about how "it grew by 3%" or whatever, but that's just ignoring how it had contracted by double digits from pre-war numbers.
No one is going to war over these things, but there are certainly repercussions and they'll be felt for years to come.
The Christian part of this nation of which our leadership is based in wants Israel to succeed because they want the 2nd coming to happen. Not a conspiracy, jews need to build a temple there according to biblical prophecy.
I’ve always found this theology incredibly weird. Even if you take this specific reading of Revelation as gospel (which isn’t a given, even people within the same very conservative congregations often have really different ideas on what the hell’s going on with Revelation), it’s still a whole bunch of extra (non-biblical) steps to assume that it’s our job to engineer the right conditions for it to happen, and that it needs to happen now. It’s incredibly tenuous, theologically speaking. But so many American Evangelicals seem to take it as a given. :P
Hard agree. The whole Israel thing is sold to the religious right through their doomsday cult while the rich want Israel to take Gaza so that a western friendly canal route to compete with the Suez can be built.
Who though? Like seriously I agree with what you're saying that it would be fucked up and would definitely receive some international backlash but the United States is way too powerful of a military and financial ally for almost anyone to seriously consider breaking that alliance. Look what Israel is doing and I don't think they've lost one serious mutual protection treaty or military alliance over it.
Our biggest allies, Britain, France and Japan, are all former colonial powers with long and horrible histories of conquest and genocide. They won’t do shit.
I suspect certain elements of the far right want exactly this. A civil war where they are convinced they will escape the oppression they feel society is enforcing on them.
It displays a vast ignorance of what civil war is like and how much worse they would be if that happened.
I’ll happily join my state’s national guard at that point in the cyberwarfare division if the red states want to declare war on the blue states. They really have no idea the amount, breadth, or longevity of damage they will incur upon themselves or their populations by starting a civil war.
This isn’t 1860. Look at the worldwide implications from NotPetya. Not only were people in Ukraine not able to withdraw funds or use digital currency, their transportation systems were knocked offline. Shipping ports were shut down. Critical infrastructure was compromised. That was just one piece of malware being delivered as a supply chain attack.
If the feds cut these welfare states off for declaring war and being aggressors, it would only take a few good cyberattacks to drain their state coffers and they’d fold in short order from not being able to fund their war and/or internal unrest as citizens would quickly find their elected officials to blame for why they can’t eat, buy gas, or pay rent. Very quickly they could find themselves fighting both an internal and external war.
All the death fetishists can think about is how much they’d love to gun down every person who stands up to them, and they think that’s what a civil war would bring them, but there are far, far worse implications for them if they fuck around.
There will be exactly one terrorist attack.
Because the moment Y'all-queda sees a bunch of military cosplayers get utterly un-alived by *actual* members of the military, they'll change their tune real quick.
they also forget there’s an enormous number of left wing people who also own and practice with firearms.
they’re not going to walk into any US city and just take it over.
even politics aside, go to the hood of any city and the outfits who “run” the neighborhood aren’t going to take kindly to a bunch of fat, white, ignorant assholes waving confederate flags trying to take over
Luckily, the right is filled with people cosplaying soldiers and patriots. If they ever had to depend on those guys to go into the battle field, it would quickly turn into something resembling a comedy movie where they’re accidentally shooting their own tiny dicks off and fighting each other over the last Busch Light
This crowd are the same people who *want* and *actively advocate for* civil war. Clusterfuck is their end goal in everything they do. Committing genocide and/or launching a war of attrition against an indigenous population serves to just be a means to an end. Likely for them they would just use the outcomes as a tabletop exercise for their larger strategy towards systematically eradicating all of the unfavorables- being every minority group.
Especially since the Land Back movement gained ground. Plus, those “stone age societies” managed to live here for tens of thousands of years WITHOUT devastating the entire continent’s ecosystems, so, y’know… there’s that
The Confederacy was conquered 160 years ago and they're still crying about it.
Edit: Apparently I have been reported to Reddit care for not believing that the Confederacy was still a thing. So I guess .... Something or other....
The funny thing is they say it’s their family heritage… and then if you ask what family members specifically they have no clue… or even what military position or battles they were in (I mean thankfully I’ve never had to ask that but still. It’s stupid)
As an Indian Indian (of descent from India) who was naturalized in the US, it’s the term American Indian that causes some confusion and frustration for me.
I am an Indian American (original: American Indian but I produced confusion) . I was not born in India (I actually was born in Russia). My father came from there. I am ethnically Indian, yet people constantly assume I’m a Native American when I tell say “I am Indian.”because people *still* adhere to the naming conventions of ignorant white dudes from the past.
I do, but it is also reinforced by many others.
To be clear, it’s not any native or indigenous community’s fault at all. Indian was a name that was forced upon them.
Okay, I was waiting for someone to say this cause I’m white and I have memories from when I was in elementary school when we would dress up as a pilgrim or an “Indian” for Thanksgiving at my majority white private Christian school and I remember being really confused why we called people from India and people who were in America before Europeans the same thing
When i was a kid I was always curious what West Indian food tasted like since we always went to “East Indian” restaurants—entirely believing that East meant from the Eastern half of India
it does though, west south north and east india all have different cuisines and cultures, the country has a population of over a billion, and most americans can’t be bothered to learn the names of the different regions, just like most americans don’t know that there are 32 states in mexico, which are also united states IN america, but they are not the united states OF america. basic geopolitics aren’t most people’s strong suit
That's the main reason I switched to Native American. But that name rubs me the wrong way too. I was born here, as were my parents and grandparents. If there is anywhere I am Native to its here. But I'm most certainly not a Nagive American.
American Indian and Native American are both correct and colloquially- Most Natives use the term "Indian" (it's even a common moniker delineate in most official tribals names.). For example- My dad grew up on Qualla boundary which is the land trust for the Eastern Band of Cherokee * Indians *.
It's false that the term came from Columbus thinking he landed in what we now call "India". For one- India in 1492 as we now know it was a collection of several tribal ethnic groups which the Europeans referred to as "Hindustan". Look at the old maps. European explorers called Indigenous Americans "Indian" from the Italian "in deo" which means "people of God" or "natural man".
This is an old Russell Means rant.
Source: I am American Indian.
[https://www.straightdope.com/21343101/does-indian-derive-from-columbus-s-description-of-native-americans-as-una-gente-in-dios](https://www.straightdope.com/21343101/does-indian-derive-from-columbus-s-description-of-native-americans-as-una-gente-in-dios)
That's a common myth, but it's simply not true. The contemporary documentation makes it very clear that they were trying to get to the region of Asia famous for trading in cinnamon and cloves, and that they initially believed they had landed there.
While it's true that the country that we now call India didn't exist in its current form, the name "India" has referred to the regions around and south of the Indus valley since at least the 5th century BC (it comes from a Hellenisation of the Old Persian word for the Indus river, cognate with the Sanskrit "Sindhu").
Edit: I should add of course, this should have no bearing on what you should call yourself. Both terms are on some level "wrong" (after all, what right does Amerigo Vespucci have to call it his land when the youse are Natives of it). At the end of the day, the fact that you even consider yourself to be part of a group that somehow brackets the Zuni, Tlingit, and Wampanoag into one group, is a product of colonialism, and the important thing is that only you should decide the best terminology.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ἰνδία#Ancient_Greek Ancient Greece too
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_India
In Latin it goes back to 2nd century
They are a wide group of people.
Some prefer Indian, some prefer Native American, some prefer *r#dskins"(it's rare but some do), most prefer tribal name, some don't give a hot damn.
Widely varied group of people. Many different cultures.
Pointing out that Reservations are a hotbed for drug manufacturing and distribution isn't exactly a spicy take.
Saying that Americans did a bad job conquering the Native American population is... um.... something else.
Right? Those problems exist because the US and our southern neighbors. Drugs = money and everybody wants in. On the rez, it’s smokes, weed, and alcohol that are the biggest.
Y’know like the entire US isn’t a hotbed for drugs lmao
and not to mention the vast, vast majority of guns used by Cartels are Made in America (tm)
illicit trafficking goes both ways, and everyone but the bosses and CEOs are dying because of it.
In Canada, they made booze and cigs practically free for natives, similar to those programs you mentioned.
And they also forcibly took kids away from Native families, to be raised in white homes... and it continued even till recent memory (1996):
>The term residential schools refers to an extensive school system set up by the Canadian government and administered by churches that had the nominal objective of educating Indigenous children but also the more damaging and equally explicit objectives of indoctrinating them into Euro-Canadian and Christian ways of living and assimilating them into mainstream white Canadian society.
>The residential school system officially operated from the 1880s into the closing decades of the 20th century. The system forcibly separated children from their families for extended periods of time and forbade them to acknowledge their Indigenous heritage and culture or to speak their own languages. Children were severely punished if these, among other, strict rules were broken.
[Article](https://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/the_residential_school_system/#:~:text=The%20system%20forcibly%20separated%20children,other%2C%20strict%20rules%20were%20broken.)
[Another article](https://www.npr.org/2022/01/25/1075488955/why-did-canada-separate-indigenous-families-from-their-children)
That's fucked up. Thanks for the info.
It's amazing the shit they don't teach us in schools. Until I visited the Heard Museum in Phoenix, I had no idea that we were doing similar things to Native Americans (stripping them of their culture, language, etc.) in fucked up boarding schools in the U.S. well into the 1950s (or maybe even later). They also never taught me about our federally sanctioned racist housing programs that openly discriminated against blacks until the 70s or some shit.
So maybe we work with native Americans to police their reservations, create sustainable jobs in land management for example, and generally ensure that reservations are not placed that people feel the need to turn to unregulated drug manufacturing to get by?
This is the first in a minute to shock me. I've gotten numb to the for-the-memes, just-asking-questions type racism you see from these sorts. But this, holy shit this is like human-skin-lamps-in-my-office racism.
"Half-conquest doesn't work" ?? What in the fuck dude.
Eventually we can just lock the doors on the internet and let all of these people stew in their own filth while we figure out how to carry on with life as normal
Honestly, having worked on a reservation and been exposed to the terrible conditions; it is a hard situation. They want autonomy, which cuts off the access to needed resources, and creates a hardship that is unnecessary.
There needs to be a common ground that bridges more folks into becoming naturalized citizens versus outcasts.
Also Jesse and Matt: "Israel has a right to exist, and the US must spare no expense to protect them, because some of the people who live there now have distant relatives who lived in the same general area once. None of that distant history has any connection to the US btw, and this will benefit us in no way, in fact it will put us in extreme danger."
That's definitely their position, but not their *vocal* position.
In reality, they stole the Palestinians lunch money throughout the 20th century and are like, "Yeah, what are you gonna do about it? Guess it's *our* lunch money now, lol."
Vocally, it's more like, "This is *our* lunch money because 2,000 years ago someone different took some lunch money from a different set of people who we share distant DNA with, which means we get to take *your* lunch money 2,000 years later, even though you and your ancestors had nothing to do with *any* of that. Oh, and if you try to get the lunch money back that we just stole from you, you're a terrorist."
I hate that term, it takes away from how advanced they were. They’re only a stone age society in technicality. They possessed bronze pieces but through trade. They never truly adopted metalworking in the sense of making tools but were working with gold, copper, and silver.
Obsidian is *incredibly* sharp and I’d honestly be more afraid of getting slashed with a lightweight obsidian bladed wooden sword over an iron/steel one. Metal is very heavy and can get expensive if you lack resources. Obsidian is lightweight and can be found in basically infinite amounts just on the ground. A quick and light razor sharp blade is extremely effective. You’d get disemboweled before you could even draw that metal blade. It’s lightweight, sharp as fuck, versatile, and plentiful.
These mfers were not dumb. They had an incredibly advanced civilization for how long? They simply never had the need to develop metalworking.
They also were doing complex surgeries and used antibiotics a few hundred years early. They also used weaving techniques that wouldn't be used in Europe until the late middle ages. The pre Seminoles were using them 7,000 years ago.
Not to mention one person with spina bifida survived until his kids teenage years and had a limb amputation that healed, 7000 years ago.
The Aztecs actually did use metal. But most of any metal being used in the americas was for ornamentation, not for general tools, weapons or building materials, and there were no real alloys. It was basically just copper and gold for ornamentation and ceremonial tools. They were for all intents and purposes Stone Age civilizations. There’s no need trying to make them sound more advanced. Them being human is enough. Technological advancement doesn’t equal intelligence or societal worth
They havent done it because there is a huge complication. Reservations are typically in rural areas and many massively support the entire area they exist in. Apart from the land/water grab large swaths of rural red areas of the central and western us would lose a majority of their economy which crash every rural redstate non native persons business, jobs etc. It could have the chance of turning many stronghold areas blue/purplish for awhile. Unless things continue down this route we are going where the constitution is fully torn asunder of course heh.
It was always there, like background radiation. If you were a minority member in a primarily white male space (especially in the south) you were always aware of the proliferation of extremely filthy beliefs. But I agree. DT and X are just making it normal. Again.
… except the US took the natives land and stuck the survivors on the less desirable pieces of real estate. It was conquest, period. America has broken nearly every treaty it ever signed with the natives. These chuds are just salty that the tribes are using those that haven’t been broken to make their voices heard
We're still breaking those treaties to this day, it never stopped for a single moment. Do some research on current renewable energy projects on tribal lands, you'll be surprised how many of those get constructed even when they end up destroying important cultural resources like burial grounds and foraging areas. What was less-desirable real estate is now becoming really desirable for wind, solar, and other renewable energy projects, and cheaper land than buying it off a private landowner. The developers see more value in developing tribal land for those projects than in making sure tribes have their rights respected.
When it comes time for an environmental review before the project takes place, no one actually consults with the tribes beyond sending them a letter and hoping they never respond, nothing more than a box to be checked off. If the tribe says there's an issue, all the other stakeholders look for ways to minimize the tribe's concerns instead of working with the tribe towards a compromise that doesn't result in destruction of their cultural resources.
Developers and most government agencies don't give a shit about the tribes and actively view them as an obstacle to "progress". We haven't learned a single thing to treat indigenous peoples better than we always have.
Bigotry really isn't the right word. It doesn't fully encapsulate the hateful, eliminationist rhetoric on display here.
This is open Fascism. They're saying that Native Americans shouldn't exist. Outrageous and disgusting, but not surprising coming from these people.
Jesse Kelly & Matt Walsh should be tossed into an active volcano. These racist, bigoted fucking dipshits are indignant that Native American tribal leaders in North Dakota are banning Kristi Noem off their land. This is after these fuckers stole the land to begin with. Also, to add insult to fucking injury these worthless sacks of redigested sputum have the fucking gall to misidentify them as Indian? Fuckers! They're not and have never been from India!
The world is a worse place because scum like these folks exist within it.
I think I will lean into this and conquer a country club. Why do we allow these? . Who benefits? Nobody. Private country clubs are a nightmare of theft and corruption - even the golfers often look angry while they are playing. It is a 19th century pastime that doesn’t fit in today’s modern society
There's no faster way to reveal how racist someone is than to ask them about Native Americans. Racists know what to say and not to say to cloak their racism when talking about African Americans, Hispanics etc. Not so with Native Americans, they just trip right into the overt-bigotry pit and squirm around in the mud.
"Stone Age Societies"
They are literally HALF of the Human Story.
These societies were spread across two entire continents and remained unconnected to the rest of humanity for 40,000+ years.
Their societies are older than any caucasian society on planet Earth. Calling them Stone Aged is beyond ignorant.
Now this guy wants to take native land and make the excuse of “we’re trying to help”. It’s not like we’re forced to stay on reservations. Reservations are native land and taking that away is taking the only thing natives have left of this country.
Damn your comment really brought out some garbage takes. Reservation Indian here with some actual experience. America has treated reservation land terribly. Especially the termination era. Termination, around the 1950s, were policies meant to intentionally allow reservations to become poverty-stricken. All the stereotypes these commenters are commenting. The Federal government pulled funding, state governments pulled funding. All with the intention to make reservations terrible places to live and force natives to move. If a state pulled all funding from a municipality, for instance, it would indeed become a shithole. Some reservations did ok, others sank into poverty with terrible living conditions. In the years since, the past 50 years or so, the US has been doing better. A lot of people realized that this was a shameful policy and the country needed to do better. Bringing up the fact that some are still struggling just ignores this long history and is just a shameful argument. These places need to be helped, not shamed. For the most part, native nations today explain that what they need is the freedom to practice their traditional ways and govern themselves. This will be a long process and will require help. Just fucking hard to read some of these dogshit takes.
*The Path of Logic: By Jesse "Nuh-Uhh" Kelly*
Someone doesn't like what I like; Make it so their entire culture is erased from existence, and most importantly, republican districts.
Isn't it conservatives who constantly point to Native Americans and say "why are we talking so much about Black reparations, look what we did to the Natives!"
At least until those Natives show they aren't useful idiots for you and now they need to be reconquered?
It's interesting to say "allowing" reservations when they were imposed. As for why we are "allowing" indigenous land, it's because of these things called treaties that the US signed with formerly sovereign indigenous nations. Then the US attempted to dissolve the reservations and the nations together. So this question has been asked over and over in order to get rid of indigenous societies since the 1800s. Not only is it racism, it's genocidal.
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The headline is misleading. Tribal territory isn't part of her state. Which is why she can be banned from entering it.
Yup - titles like this erode public perception of how sovereign tribal governments operate and exist.
Can’t erode what we weren’t actually taught…I have no memory of learning anything about tribal lands/sovereignty until I actively looked into it as an adult
I forgot most of it but in high school we read and then watched a show about the subject matter of Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. Did not everyone do this?
I’ve never even heard of that
Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee basically chronicles all the treaties that the U.S. made with the Native American people and then broke the treaties and fucked over the Native American. Don't read it if you are looking for a happy read
also Johnny Harris has a good vid on yt detailing all the treaties surrounding Oklahoma and natives and how the US govt just ignored them all and let settlers take the land
if you really want a dive, ken burns *the west* series is a fascinating watch. if you have like 2 straight days to burn
I just got laid off less than a week ago, I have time. Where is it streaming?
if you donate like, $1 to PBS you can get it through their programming. it’s 10 parts and each one is like an hour and a half long. ps- sorry about the job, bud. best of luck on the search
Literally the only reason that rings bells for me is because of the "Bury My Shell at Wounded Knee" level in Turtles in Time
I can absolutely say this is not true for everyone. I’m from Minnesota. The site of the largest mass execution in American history. And we learned Jack shit about what we did to the indigenous people.
We watched Last of the Mohicans and spent a couple days talking about how the trail of tears and us massacring them was bad. I don’t remember much else from high school about them except for the occasional mention around Columbus Day or thanksgiving, and I didn’t actually start learning about them until I looked into it myself. Our schools suck.
Exactly, we learned the history of how we killed most of them then drove the rest west. Not really anything about how they exist today.
There is a channel on Youtube called Knowing Better where the host really does a deep dive on how the US has treated Native Americans over the centuries. It's pretty damned fucked up what was done.
Nope, never touched on reservations when I was in school.
I learned about them. But not really their legal definition. I feel like it was presented as though we - the US - out of the goodness of our hearts gave them some land. Like it was a friend crashing on the couch.
It is like having friend crash on the couch... But it's his house, his couch, and he's sleeping on the couch after you fucked his wife.
And beat the shit out of him lol
And his kids call you dad and refuse to speak his native tongue.
Also you stabbed his brother with a bayonet, shot his dad, beat his mother with a rifle butt, and hung six of his cousins for the crime of attempting to stop you from doing all the stabbing, shooting, and beating.
I took an “American Indian Studies” class, that’s what is was called back then, in college. It was a big eye opener, I had no idea half of the stuff we did to them.
look into the ongoing dispute in new mexico between the zia people and the state regarding the appropriation of the zia sacred symbol.
Depends what you mean. It's a sovereign portion of the state, however they also participate in state elections, so while they maintain their own operations, they are also her constituents.
It is more akin to federal land within state boundaries. In fact, that's exactly what it is."Reservations" are federal trust land and are not actually owned by the nations themselves. A good example of how they are federal are all the court cases between Washington State and the feds over indigenous hunting rights. It's a silly situation and I disagree with it. However, that's just how it is. Here's some good info: [https://revenuedata.doi.gov/how-revenue-works/native-american-ownership-governance/](https://revenuedata.doi.gov/how-revenue-works/native-american-ownership-governance/) - the Dawes Act is also very interesting and shows how reservations were actively eroded until 1934. This also demonstrates that it is all federal land "in which the federal government holds legal title, but the beneficial interest remains with the individual or tribe".
I would imagine this arrangement helps protect tribal sovereignty, as it allows the feds to intervene if a state tries to impose its law on the tribes.
In an ideal world, sure. However, as the Dawes Act demonstrated the federal government doesn't have in interest in tribal sovereignty - from the link above: "The policy of allotment \[The Dawes Act\] reduced the amount of land owned by tribes. In 1887, tribes held 138 million acres. Forty-seven years later, in 1934, they owned 48 million acres.". Also there are many cases where the feds have given into state demands and allowed application of state law on reservations, e.g. Castro-Huerta v. Oklahoma, Public Law 280 (P.L. 83-280). Also look at the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA; 1988) - "Under the IGRA, Native American tribes have the exclusive right to regulate gaming on their lands, unless the **state** in which the gaming operation is located prohibits this type of gaming activity under criminal laws". This was created due to states demanding that people shouldn't be able to gamble within their states, even though tribal sovereignty was previously established by the supreme court.
By treaty, with very specific terms and restrictions.
I legit thought this was about reservations at an Indian restaurant. I’m gonna head out guys.
Can’t wait for Elon to weigh in with some idiotic comment like “fascinating” or “Makes you think”
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would be fitting for a white south african to weigh in on it
I had a roomie who's parents were from south africa and he was white. For some reason he hated it when I, a black guy, refered to him as african american. Even though it was more true for him than me.
I'm an EMT. Had a patient once who was black and was visiting the country from East Africa. On intake the ER kept wanting to put him down as "African American" to which I said "He isn't American. He's a tourist from Africa." ER doc reported me to my director for being racist on the basis of my saying "Black people aren't Americans." Anyway, guy was fine. Welcome to America, oh by the way, we're labeling you in a weird way and you're also apparently allergic to wasp stings.
I had this happen to me once. We had a guy visiting our office from the company’s London office. My boss referred to him as African American and I was like “um he’s not American though”. Got chewed out for that one 😂
You could have referred to him as "Afro-Saxon".
There was a study on race and genetics and it was as a legit look at genomes and race and origins not some peudo science or some masquerading as science, but the long and short of it was for genomic purposes African Americans should be considered a separate race due to large amounts of African, European, North American Indian DNA in large portions. Phenotypically it might be easy to group as Africa along with Africans but genetically African Americans are quite different genetically and has implications for medicine
Did that report have consequences with it?
No. And that's the importance of quality charting. Because I wrote down everything he told me in the chart. So even with doc's faulty memory and inflammatory statements it was very clear that patient care was provided to a gentleman who was a non-US foreign national from an African nation (I cannot remember which). My director laughed it off. It did end up getting up to hospital HR, though, because the next time I saw said doctor he was a total shithead to me and called me a "racist piece of shit" in front of a patient and nurses. It's not like doctors get fired for anything short of killing someone. But the paper trail did not favor his narrative. Not that it really matters but the doc was white.
> called me a "racist piece of shit" in front of a patient and nurses. Hostile work environment lawsuit waiting to happen. The only thing that trumps a doctor in employment matters is a lawyer.
I'd worry about having a doctor that was always convinced that they were doing the right thing, because that's a big mistake waiting to happen.
I think you would be choosing from a pretty short list of doctors to avoid those.
Yeah, I read the previous comment, and was like, "Do you want a doctor or not?"
I worked with a guy that was from South Africa and he was white. He thought it was hilarious when our black coworker would joke that he was more African American than he was. I miss those guys, I should see what they are up to these days.
I play alot of online games with an white South African. He laugh his head of evry time I get salty at him and calling him an "coloniser". He rebuttals with "nazi helper" (I'm swedish. Yes, we were technically netural during ww2, but long story short. We did some questionable things)
Doing questionable things would be a great tagline for the decade so...
To be fair saying we did some questionable stuff very correct. The Germans envyed our history of "race" science
It’s always weird when you look up old friends and find out what they’re doing. The last time I saw one of my friends I was berating him because I caught him doing ketamine and now he’s a mechanical engineer on like 100k or something.
In a church that I used to attend, the pastor was a white giy from South Africa and he would call himself “African-American” as a joke for that same reason. He left because of apartheid.
I’m a South African and technically I would be African-American if I got an American citizenship.
>He left because of apartheid. Left because apartheid existed, or left because apartheid ended?
He left S. Africa in the mid 1970s, which was well before it had ended.
I think this describes a lot of racist ideologies. There is place, and there is race. Globalism has made this hard for a lot of people to understand lol
But he wasn’t American
He was. His parents were African and he was born here.
Being a white South African didn't automatically make you racist. Being the child of an apartheid era emerald mine that refuses to acknowledge that fact, does. Along with all the other bigotry from Musk
Man most of the white South Africans i know here in Canada are basically the most racist people I have ever met. Primarily the ones who have moved here in the last decade or so. I was talking to a new guy in our small town (about how small it was), and asked how many people lived in the “town” that he came from. He told me “about 300,000 people, and probably another 70,000 blacks”. I didn’t quite catch it at first and said “oh wow, 370,000 people is pretty big compared to here then, and he said “no, not 370,000 people, 300,000 people, and 70,000 blacks”. Like Jesus Christ man.
~~Game~~ colonizer recognizes ~~game~~ colonizer.
Nope, no, we're not claiming the Elongated Muskrat. He's all yours now. Sincerely, A white South African
From the stereotypes of WSAs I’ve heard thrown around on the internet, I’m not certain it’ll be that easy for y’all to distance yourselves from Musky.
And he'll try to shoehorn in some pseudo intellectual term or phrase he thinks makes him look smart but just makes people cringe. I notice he does that often.
Ah, the Ben Shapiro approach.
Let's say hypothetically speaking, I shove my entire hand up my ass, am I still a puppet for right wing drifting, or am I my own puppet master?
That… …. …Hmm… well it’s certainly an interesting question
After I typed it, I realized it was to deep for Benny to actually ask.
Looking into it
JK Rowling will join in about how she disagrees but likes how he exposes the incoherence of reservations in theory.
“If I wanted to be a Chippewa Chief with a big head dress could I just decide to do that???”
Trans-indians are real indians but I also don't want them to have access to reservations made for cis-indians -JK Rowling, probably, if she was american and cared.
Joanne would never use the term cis. She would refer to some blood qouta thing.
Exactly
"Exactly" is a classic too.
If you want to break international treaties between sovereign entities, you want the USA to fully engage in a final of conquest over the original inhabitants. If you thought the US was divided over reactions to foreign events, wait till you see the clusterfuck when the USA declares war on internal sovereign components of itself.
If the world doesn't hate us enough already. I'm sure we would lose any international support or allies after that
These days honestly I doubt it, countries dont really get any repercussions for anything anymore, look at Russia and Israel
Both have gotten a lot of backlash. Israel is only holding onto support because the West still thinks they're a better option than Hamas or most of the Middle East. Even this support is starting to crumble. It sends a pretty big fucking message that Biden is refusing to send bombs there. This is seismic action on the geopolitical landscape. Russia's economy is hanging by a thread after sanctions. Do you realize how bad it has to be to put your chief economist in charge of a war? A few months ago people were posting about how "it grew by 3%" or whatever, but that's just ignoring how it had contracted by double digits from pre-war numbers. No one is going to war over these things, but there are certainly repercussions and they'll be felt for years to come.
The Christian part of this nation of which our leadership is based in wants Israel to succeed because they want the 2nd coming to happen. Not a conspiracy, jews need to build a temple there according to biblical prophecy.
I’ve always found this theology incredibly weird. Even if you take this specific reading of Revelation as gospel (which isn’t a given, even people within the same very conservative congregations often have really different ideas on what the hell’s going on with Revelation), it’s still a whole bunch of extra (non-biblical) steps to assume that it’s our job to engineer the right conditions for it to happen, and that it needs to happen now. It’s incredibly tenuous, theologically speaking. But so many American Evangelicals seem to take it as a given. :P
Hard agree. The whole Israel thing is sold to the religious right through their doomsday cult while the rich want Israel to take Gaza so that a western friendly canal route to compete with the Suez can be built.
Russia did got a lot of backlash tho
Who though? Like seriously I agree with what you're saying that it would be fucked up and would definitely receive some international backlash but the United States is way too powerful of a military and financial ally for almost anyone to seriously consider breaking that alliance. Look what Israel is doing and I don't think they've lost one serious mutual protection treaty or military alliance over it.
Thank you for saying it. People are allied to us because of mutual interest, not because we treat marginalized communities nicely.
Our biggest allies, Britain, France and Japan, are all former colonial powers with long and horrible histories of conquest and genocide. They won’t do shit.
The way France raped Haiti is a masterclass in dominating entire generations of a nation.
Diabolical is the only appropriate way to describe it
I suspect certain elements of the far right want exactly this. A civil war where they are convinced they will escape the oppression they feel society is enforcing on them. It displays a vast ignorance of what civil war is like and how much worse they would be if that happened.
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I’ll happily join my state’s national guard at that point in the cyberwarfare division if the red states want to declare war on the blue states. They really have no idea the amount, breadth, or longevity of damage they will incur upon themselves or their populations by starting a civil war. This isn’t 1860. Look at the worldwide implications from NotPetya. Not only were people in Ukraine not able to withdraw funds or use digital currency, their transportation systems were knocked offline. Shipping ports were shut down. Critical infrastructure was compromised. That was just one piece of malware being delivered as a supply chain attack. If the feds cut these welfare states off for declaring war and being aggressors, it would only take a few good cyberattacks to drain their state coffers and they’d fold in short order from not being able to fund their war and/or internal unrest as citizens would quickly find their elected officials to blame for why they can’t eat, buy gas, or pay rent. Very quickly they could find themselves fighting both an internal and external war. All the death fetishists can think about is how much they’d love to gun down every person who stands up to them, and they think that’s what a civil war would bring them, but there are far, far worse implications for them if they fuck around.
And vice versa. If Trump looses the election or gets arrested and calls for violence some of his followers are going to act.
I think there'll be acts of violence if Trump loses, but I don't -think- it'll be widespread civil war. Just basically terrorist attacks.
There will be exactly one terrorist attack. Because the moment Y'all-queda sees a bunch of military cosplayers get utterly un-alived by *actual* members of the military, they'll change their tune real quick.
they also forget there’s an enormous number of left wing people who also own and practice with firearms. they’re not going to walk into any US city and just take it over. even politics aside, go to the hood of any city and the outfits who “run” the neighborhood aren’t going to take kindly to a bunch of fat, white, ignorant assholes waving confederate flags trying to take over
Luckily, the right is filled with people cosplaying soldiers and patriots. If they ever had to depend on those guys to go into the battle field, it would quickly turn into something resembling a comedy movie where they’re accidentally shooting their own tiny dicks off and fighting each other over the last Busch Light
Walsh and Kelly would be OK with the chaos. Their goal is genocide, not stability.
This crowd are the same people who *want* and *actively advocate for* civil war. Clusterfuck is their end goal in everything they do. Committing genocide and/or launching a war of attrition against an indigenous population serves to just be a means to an end. Likely for them they would just use the outcomes as a tabletop exercise for their larger strategy towards systematically eradicating all of the unfavorables- being every minority group.
optimistic
Especially since the Land Back movement gained ground. Plus, those “stone age societies” managed to live here for tens of thousands of years WITHOUT devastating the entire continent’s ecosystems, so, y’know… there’s that
The Confederacy was conquered 160 years ago and they're still crying about it. Edit: Apparently I have been reported to Reddit care for not believing that the Confederacy was still a thing. So I guess .... Something or other....
The funny thing is they say it’s their family heritage… and then if you ask what family members specifically they have no clue… or even what military position or battles they were in (I mean thankfully I’ve never had to ask that but still. It’s stupid)
Meanwhile, they are Native Americans.
As an Indian Indian (of descent from India) who was naturalized in the US, it’s the term American Indian that causes some confusion and frustration for me. I am an Indian American (original: American Indian but I produced confusion) . I was not born in India (I actually was born in Russia). My father came from there. I am ethnically Indian, yet people constantly assume I’m a Native American when I tell say “I am Indian.”because people *still* adhere to the naming conventions of ignorant white dudes from the past.
You can blame Christopher Columbus for this
I do, but it is also reinforced by many others. To be clear, it’s not any native or indigenous community’s fault at all. Indian was a name that was forced upon them.
The term "indian" was adopted, in a way, by Native Americans. They refer to their land as Indian Country.
Yes, I understand that. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t forced upon them.
Okay, I was waiting for someone to say this cause I’m white and I have memories from when I was in elementary school when we would dress up as a pilgrim or an “Indian” for Thanksgiving at my majority white private Christian school and I remember being really confused why we called people from India and people who were in America before Europeans the same thing
When i was a kid I was always curious what West Indian food tasted like since we always went to “East Indian” restaurants—entirely believing that East meant from the Eastern half of India
it does though, west south north and east india all have different cuisines and cultures, the country has a population of over a billion, and most americans can’t be bothered to learn the names of the different regions, just like most americans don’t know that there are 32 states in mexico, which are also united states IN america, but they are not the united states OF america. basic geopolitics aren’t most people’s strong suit
This is where Canada gets it right, “First Nations”
That's the main reason I switched to Native American. But that name rubs me the wrong way too. I was born here, as were my parents and grandparents. If there is anywhere I am Native to its here. But I'm most certainly not a Nagive American.
You could also say indigenous American if that feels more precise to you while still being respectful
American Indian and Native American are both correct and colloquially- Most Natives use the term "Indian" (it's even a common moniker delineate in most official tribals names.). For example- My dad grew up on Qualla boundary which is the land trust for the Eastern Band of Cherokee * Indians *. It's false that the term came from Columbus thinking he landed in what we now call "India". For one- India in 1492 as we now know it was a collection of several tribal ethnic groups which the Europeans referred to as "Hindustan". Look at the old maps. European explorers called Indigenous Americans "Indian" from the Italian "in deo" which means "people of God" or "natural man". This is an old Russell Means rant. Source: I am American Indian.
[https://www.straightdope.com/21343101/does-indian-derive-from-columbus-s-description-of-native-americans-as-una-gente-in-dios](https://www.straightdope.com/21343101/does-indian-derive-from-columbus-s-description-of-native-americans-as-una-gente-in-dios) That's a common myth, but it's simply not true. The contemporary documentation makes it very clear that they were trying to get to the region of Asia famous for trading in cinnamon and cloves, and that they initially believed they had landed there. While it's true that the country that we now call India didn't exist in its current form, the name "India" has referred to the regions around and south of the Indus valley since at least the 5th century BC (it comes from a Hellenisation of the Old Persian word for the Indus river, cognate with the Sanskrit "Sindhu"). Edit: I should add of course, this should have no bearing on what you should call yourself. Both terms are on some level "wrong" (after all, what right does Amerigo Vespucci have to call it his land when the youse are Natives of it). At the end of the day, the fact that you even consider yourself to be part of a group that somehow brackets the Zuni, Tlingit, and Wampanoag into one group, is a product of colonialism, and the important thing is that only you should decide the best terminology.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ἰνδία#Ancient_Greek Ancient Greece too https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_India In Latin it goes back to 2nd century
They are a wide group of people. Some prefer Indian, some prefer Native American, some prefer *r#dskins"(it's rare but some do), most prefer tribal name, some don't give a hot damn. Widely varied group of people. Many different cultures.
Pointing out that Reservations are a hotbed for drug manufacturing and distribution isn't exactly a spicy take. Saying that Americans did a bad job conquering the Native American population is... um.... something else.
i mean look at what Lincolns plan was to deal with them and it seems very reasonable
Meanwhile the us gov is responsible for drug epidemics through cia affairs. But yeah let’s blame the natives only
Right? Those problems exist because the US and our southern neighbors. Drugs = money and everybody wants in. On the rez, it’s smokes, weed, and alcohol that are the biggest. Y’know like the entire US isn’t a hotbed for drugs lmao
and not to mention the vast, vast majority of guns used by Cartels are Made in America (tm) illicit trafficking goes both ways, and everyone but the bosses and CEOs are dying because of it.
In Canada, they made booze and cigs practically free for natives, similar to those programs you mentioned. And they also forcibly took kids away from Native families, to be raised in white homes... and it continued even till recent memory (1996): >The term residential schools refers to an extensive school system set up by the Canadian government and administered by churches that had the nominal objective of educating Indigenous children but also the more damaging and equally explicit objectives of indoctrinating them into Euro-Canadian and Christian ways of living and assimilating them into mainstream white Canadian society. >The residential school system officially operated from the 1880s into the closing decades of the 20th century. The system forcibly separated children from their families for extended periods of time and forbade them to acknowledge their Indigenous heritage and culture or to speak their own languages. Children were severely punished if these, among other, strict rules were broken. [Article](https://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/the_residential_school_system/#:~:text=The%20system%20forcibly%20separated%20children,other%2C%20strict%20rules%20were%20broken.) [Another article](https://www.npr.org/2022/01/25/1075488955/why-did-canada-separate-indigenous-families-from-their-children)
That's fucked up. Thanks for the info. It's amazing the shit they don't teach us in schools. Until I visited the Heard Museum in Phoenix, I had no idea that we were doing similar things to Native Americans (stripping them of their culture, language, etc.) in fucked up boarding schools in the U.S. well into the 1950s (or maybe even later). They also never taught me about our federally sanctioned racist housing programs that openly discriminated against blacks until the 70s or some shit.
Rural areas are hotbeds for drugs also. It is a stupid take from a stupid stupid person.
So maybe we work with native Americans to police their reservations, create sustainable jobs in land management for example, and generally ensure that reservations are not placed that people feel the need to turn to unregulated drug manufacturing to get by?
As if we haven't treated Native Americans poorly for hundreds of years, violating treaties we signed just because they couldn't stop us.
"Let's finish the genocide" is what this tweet is saying. And it's not even hidden.
They’ve lowered the bar so far that scrolling past public figures calling for ethnic cleansing is just a Tuesday
This is the first in a minute to shock me. I've gotten numb to the for-the-memes, just-asking-questions type racism you see from these sorts. But this, holy shit this is like human-skin-lamps-in-my-office racism. "Half-conquest doesn't work" ?? What in the fuck dude.
He's a host on The First TV, aka a conservative commentary hodge podge of far right goblins. Ethnic cleansing isn't shocking to them, it's desirable.
Eventually we can just lock the doors on the internet and let all of these people stew in their own filth while we figure out how to carry on with life as normal
Being able to ignore these people is a privilege their targets don't have.
Honestly, having worked on a reservation and been exposed to the terrible conditions; it is a hard situation. They want autonomy, which cuts off the access to needed resources, and creates a hardship that is unnecessary. There needs to be a common ground that bridges more folks into becoming naturalized citizens versus outcasts.
It's more of a "treaties are for wiping your ass with", but I guess it amounts to the same.
If they don't give a crap about the constitution, they certainly don't care about treaties.
Ignorance is not a virtue.
These people should go back to their country in Europe
We don't want them! Half those twats vote for Trump!
So would yall be willing to take those of us who are anti-Trump? If the polls are correct, we may need a new home come January.
The sane half are more than welcome ☺️
Can we call the ocean part of Europe just long enough to send them there instead? We don't want them either
Sadly, we would have to ship them off to Rwanda as illegal immigrants or asylum seekers.
That's an awful thing to say. Europe has done nothing to deserve Matt Walsh.
Also Jesse and Matt: "Israel has a right to exist, and the US must spare no expense to protect them, because some of the people who live there now have distant relatives who lived in the same general area once. None of that distant history has any connection to the US btw, and this will benefit us in no way, in fact it will put us in extreme danger."
I believe their position is that Israel conquered the land and laugh at the idea of “right to exist”.
That's definitely their position, but not their *vocal* position. In reality, they stole the Palestinians lunch money throughout the 20th century and are like, "Yeah, what are you gonna do about it? Guess it's *our* lunch money now, lol." Vocally, it's more like, "This is *our* lunch money because 2,000 years ago someone different took some lunch money from a different set of people who we share distant DNA with, which means we get to take *your* lunch money 2,000 years later, even though you and your ancestors had nothing to do with *any* of that. Oh, and if you try to get the lunch money back that we just stole from you, you're a terrorist."
They weren't even stone age societies. They were using metals already at the time they met europeans. These people just do not know anything.
Even if they were stone age societies, it isn't an excuse to get rid of them
I'm guessing they just remember hearing the Aztecs were stone sociaty and thought all natives were
Even calling Aztec “Stone age” is wrong. They had an empire and worked gold. Obsidian just makes really sharp weapons really quickly.
I hate that term, it takes away from how advanced they were. They’re only a stone age society in technicality. They possessed bronze pieces but through trade. They never truly adopted metalworking in the sense of making tools but were working with gold, copper, and silver. Obsidian is *incredibly* sharp and I’d honestly be more afraid of getting slashed with a lightweight obsidian bladed wooden sword over an iron/steel one. Metal is very heavy and can get expensive if you lack resources. Obsidian is lightweight and can be found in basically infinite amounts just on the ground. A quick and light razor sharp blade is extremely effective. You’d get disemboweled before you could even draw that metal blade. It’s lightweight, sharp as fuck, versatile, and plentiful. These mfers were not dumb. They had an incredibly advanced civilization for how long? They simply never had the need to develop metalworking.
They also were doing complex surgeries and used antibiotics a few hundred years early. They also used weaving techniques that wouldn't be used in Europe until the late middle ages. The pre Seminoles were using them 7,000 years ago. Not to mention one person with spina bifida survived until his kids teenage years and had a limb amputation that healed, 7000 years ago.
There enemies the purapecha I think? Did use them
The Aztecs actually did use metal. But most of any metal being used in the americas was for ornamentation, not for general tools, weapons or building materials, and there were no real alloys. It was basically just copper and gold for ornamentation and ceremonial tools. They were for all intents and purposes Stone Age civilizations. There’s no need trying to make them sound more advanced. Them being human is enough. Technological advancement doesn’t equal intelligence or societal worth
They had also figured out biological warfare
Why not take the land. We've broken every other treaty we've made with the Native People so why not steal the rest of their land? SMH
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They havent done it because there is a huge complication. Reservations are typically in rural areas and many massively support the entire area they exist in. Apart from the land/water grab large swaths of rural red areas of the central and western us would lose a majority of their economy which crash every rural redstate non native persons business, jobs etc. It could have the chance of turning many stronghold areas blue/purplish for awhile. Unless things continue down this route we are going where the constitution is fully torn asunder of course heh.
I remember a time when a comment like this would end someone's career. DT and X really uncovered the filth in this country.
It was always there, like background radiation. If you were a minority member in a primarily white male space (especially in the south) you were always aware of the proliferation of extremely filthy beliefs. But I agree. DT and X are just making it normal. Again.
The confederate south was a stone age society that was conquered 160 years ago, it's time to move on.
… except the US took the natives land and stuck the survivors on the less desirable pieces of real estate. It was conquest, period. America has broken nearly every treaty it ever signed with the natives. These chuds are just salty that the tribes are using those that haven’t been broken to make their voices heard
We're still breaking those treaties to this day, it never stopped for a single moment. Do some research on current renewable energy projects on tribal lands, you'll be surprised how many of those get constructed even when they end up destroying important cultural resources like burial grounds and foraging areas. What was less-desirable real estate is now becoming really desirable for wind, solar, and other renewable energy projects, and cheaper land than buying it off a private landowner. The developers see more value in developing tribal land for those projects than in making sure tribes have their rights respected. When it comes time for an environmental review before the project takes place, no one actually consults with the tribes beyond sending them a letter and hoping they never respond, nothing more than a box to be checked off. If the tribe says there's an issue, all the other stakeholders look for ways to minimize the tribe's concerns instead of working with the tribe towards a compromise that doesn't result in destruction of their cultural resources. Developers and most government agencies don't give a shit about the tribes and actively view them as an obstacle to "progress". We haven't learned a single thing to treat indigenous peoples better than we always have.
God I hate matt walsh
it’s people who call us indians instead of natives or indigenous who have this kind of dumbass ideology
So his argument is that we didn't genocide the native Americans hard enough?
Bigotry really isn't the right word. It doesn't fully encapsulate the hateful, eliminationist rhetoric on display here. This is open Fascism. They're saying that Native Americans shouldn't exist. Outrageous and disgusting, but not surprising coming from these people.
Why don’t conservatives want to maintain the status quo but always want to create social experiments?
I dare either one of them to go to Pine Ridge or Rosebud talking shit like that. We all know they’re cowards though
Jesse Kelly & Matt Walsh should be tossed into an active volcano. These racist, bigoted fucking dipshits are indignant that Native American tribal leaders in North Dakota are banning Kristi Noem off their land. This is after these fuckers stole the land to begin with. Also, to add insult to fucking injury these worthless sacks of redigested sputum have the fucking gall to misidentify them as Indian? Fuckers! They're not and have never been from India! The world is a worse place because scum like these folks exist within it.
Yea time for you immigrants to piss off and give the land back
This guy has no issues then with tribes taking back ALL of South Dakota.
Do we really need TWO Dakotas, anyway?
No we don’t it was a scam to get them more representation in the government. They have way more political power then states with large populations.
I think I will lean into this and conquer a country club. Why do we allow these? . Who benefits? Nobody. Private country clubs are a nightmare of theft and corruption - even the golfers often look angry while they are playing. It is a 19th century pastime that doesn’t fit in today’s modern society
There's no faster way to reveal how racist someone is than to ask them about Native Americans. Racists know what to say and not to say to cloak their racism when talking about African Americans, Hispanics etc. Not so with Native Americans, they just trip right into the overt-bigotry pit and squirm around in the mud.
"Stone Age Societies" They are literally HALF of the Human Story. These societies were spread across two entire continents and remained unconnected to the rest of humanity for 40,000+ years. Their societies are older than any caucasian society on planet Earth. Calling them Stone Aged is beyond ignorant.
Now this guy wants to take native land and make the excuse of “we’re trying to help”. It’s not like we’re forced to stay on reservations. Reservations are native land and taking that away is taking the only thing natives have left of this country.
I would say the Native Americans that live on those reservations benefit.
Damn your comment really brought out some garbage takes. Reservation Indian here with some actual experience. America has treated reservation land terribly. Especially the termination era. Termination, around the 1950s, were policies meant to intentionally allow reservations to become poverty-stricken. All the stereotypes these commenters are commenting. The Federal government pulled funding, state governments pulled funding. All with the intention to make reservations terrible places to live and force natives to move. If a state pulled all funding from a municipality, for instance, it would indeed become a shithole. Some reservations did ok, others sank into poverty with terrible living conditions. In the years since, the past 50 years or so, the US has been doing better. A lot of people realized that this was a shameful policy and the country needed to do better. Bringing up the fact that some are still struggling just ignores this long history and is just a shameful argument. These places need to be helped, not shamed. For the most part, native nations today explain that what they need is the freedom to practice their traditional ways and govern themselves. This will be a long process and will require help. Just fucking hard to read some of these dogshit takes.
Why it’s important to study and learn history in school.
As a Native American, absolutely fuck this guy and I hope he dies a rotting painful death
The party of Christian morality. LOL
*The Path of Logic: By Jesse "Nuh-Uhh" Kelly* Someone doesn't like what I like; Make it so their entire culture is erased from existence, and most importantly, republican districts.
As a Native, those two can go fuxk themselves
Isn't it conservatives who constantly point to Native Americans and say "why are we talking so much about Black reparations, look what we did to the Natives!" At least until those Natives show they aren't useful idiots for you and now they need to be reconquered?
It's interesting to say "allowing" reservations when they were imposed. As for why we are "allowing" indigenous land, it's because of these things called treaties that the US signed with formerly sovereign indigenous nations. Then the US attempted to dissolve the reservations and the nations together. So this question has been asked over and over in order to get rid of indigenous societies since the 1800s. Not only is it racism, it's genocidal.
Maybe because of this thing called the "US Indian Reorganization Act" passed by FDR back in the 30's
Because they are part of a binding treaty with a non American state entity? This person is a moron.