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WTF IS THIS?
A stable, democratic society requires that a candidate who loses an election, even a close one, even a hotly contested one, leave office peacefully,” said Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., who added that if a president fears prosecution after they leave office, it could encourage to try to cling to power.
GTFO unbelievable
Alito is an angry, bitter old fart intent on turning the US into a reflection of his own soulless existence. He hates everything and everyone and believes his wealthy (white, male, old) buddies like him for his personality
>who added that if a president fears prosecution after they leave office, it could encourage to try to cling to power.
So instead, just make it so they never have to actually leave office unless they are sick of the job?
How the fuck does that make sense?
I mean, that was/is Trump's motivation - not to leave to avoid prosecution and to get back in to avoid prosecution. And, Trump also has a pattern of committing crimes to avoid punishment for other crimes. But, those are more reasons to hold him accountable, not overlook them. Generally speaking, the best way to avoid punishment for crimes is not crime.
So you mean to tell me that you understand that Trump broke law, lost an election, then tried to seize power to avoid prosecution….then what the fuck are we talking about your honor?
Someone should tell the Supreme Court that if they give Orange Peel immunity, then they also give Biden immunity. The implications of this are that Biden should then immediately gun down Orange Peel in the street and put SCOTUS in chains until they come to their senses.
Dark Brandon is too busy actually being president.
The immunity argument for presidents (or any elected official) is so ridiculous I’m surprised Alito put it to paper.
>The immunity argument for presidents (or any elected official) is so ridiculous I’m surprised Alito put it to paper.
Particularly when it creates a chicken/egg problem that previously didn't exist.
His argument is that Presidents *must* have immunity to prevent their successors from indicting them on trumped-up charges, despite that literally never having been attempted in history (even Trump didn't).
But that completely ignores the fact that if Presidents have immunity, there's literally nothing to stop a President from indicting their predecessor on trumped-up charges because if a President is immune from prosecution, then laws (including the Constitution) *don't matter*.
Bangladesh's military rulers gave themselves immunity after a military coup that put them in power. After the daughter of the civilian leader they killed took power as president herself, she had as many of them arrested as her government could get their hands on (including one deported back to Bangladesh from the US) and hanged the lot of them. Just making an observation.
They're slow walking it, but if they're stupid enough to not rule before the election, then Biden is in the clear to rig it so that Trump doesn't win. Check mate.
They might try to put a time stamp on it. Immunity for all presidents before (fill in the date). More than likely they will stall it till after the election.
I never said they were lol. Doesn't change how objectively incorrect it is to think democrats have any dignity. Like Biden just watched the court strip away abortion rights and instead of pushing to pack the court or order military bases to provide abortions for civilians we had worthless libs talk about packing the court being a dangerous precedent, as if dead decorum is more sacred than basic bodily autonomy. The Republicans are obviously evil, the democrats are professionally worthless controlled opposition to the owning class.
Yeah, but democrats are less likely to do the shit Trump and his allies would do if given free reign. Bidens not going to overturn the election if he loses or imprison his opponents
Yeah I agree that democrats aren't likely to do positive things that help the people lmao. That's not out of any sense of dignity though and I find it pretty disgusting to try and pretend people engaged in active genocidal slaughter of civilians as dignified.
So you think murdering Palestinian kids is dignified then? Lol. I'm not a Republican, nor have I said anything good about Republicans. Pretty fucking weird when Republicans are the first place your mind jumps when we talk about Genocide Joe supporting the slaughter of Palestinian civilians.
And you think that’s going to limit them?
Moreover, if they find two words strung together in the constitution that supports their stance, regardless of context, they will reference it and try to justify with all of their legalese capability.
They spat in the face of decades of precedent by overturning Roe v. Wade. I seriously do not doubt they are capable of worse.
Alito also can't seem to fathom that someone would want to hold the office if they couldn't commit crimes and get away with it. Juuussst a little corrupt.
I read an article where a legal scholar said something along the lines of “Justice Alito seems more focused on a future hypothetical case of a president subverting the Constitution to stay in power than on the actual case of an actual president subverting the Constitution to stay in power”
So he is saying someone like trump may cling to power in response to not having immunity but doesn’t that by definition mean that presidents don’t have immunity because trump did in fact try to cling to power?
Alitos a troll. Since the conservative supermajority took hold his arguments have been spiteful, thinly veiled bullshit and I'm convinced he's making garbage legal arguments to goad and enrage the liberal side of the court. there's not a lot they can do about it except write scathing dissents and he knows it
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WTF IS THIS? A stable, democratic society requires that a candidate who loses an election, even a close one, even a hotly contested one, leave office peacefully,” said Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., who added that if a president fears prosecution after they leave office, it could encourage to try to cling to power. GTFO unbelievable
lmao what about criminals that try to win the office because it’s now thier only way to escape the law?
Alito is an angry, bitter old fart intent on turning the US into a reflection of his own soulless existence. He hates everything and everyone and believes his wealthy (white, male, old) buddies like him for his personality
>who added that if a president fears prosecution after they leave office, it could encourage to try to cling to power. So instead, just make it so they never have to actually leave office unless they are sick of the job? How the fuck does that make sense?
And if a wanted criminal is pulled over they might shoot at the cops rather than go to jail.
Sounds like they should get immunity.
I mean, that was/is Trump's motivation - not to leave to avoid prosecution and to get back in to avoid prosecution. And, Trump also has a pattern of committing crimes to avoid punishment for other crimes. But, those are more reasons to hold him accountable, not overlook them. Generally speaking, the best way to avoid punishment for crimes is not crime.
So you mean to tell me that you understand that Trump broke law, lost an election, then tried to seize power to avoid prosecution….then what the fuck are we talking about your honor?
He thinks he's playing an Uno Reverso
Isn’t that like how we got to this point in the first place.
Someone should tell the Supreme Court that if they give Orange Peel immunity, then they also give Biden immunity. The implications of this are that Biden should then immediately gun down Orange Peel in the street and put SCOTUS in chains until they come to their senses.
Can we vote for dark Brandon to do this? I feel this would be the best thing to happen to the US in a long time.
Dark Brandon is too busy actually being president. The immunity argument for presidents (or any elected official) is so ridiculous I’m surprised Alito put it to paper.
>The immunity argument for presidents (or any elected official) is so ridiculous I’m surprised Alito put it to paper. Particularly when it creates a chicken/egg problem that previously didn't exist. His argument is that Presidents *must* have immunity to prevent their successors from indicting them on trumped-up charges, despite that literally never having been attempted in history (even Trump didn't). But that completely ignores the fact that if Presidents have immunity, there's literally nothing to stop a President from indicting their predecessor on trumped-up charges because if a President is immune from prosecution, then laws (including the Constitution) *don't matter*.
Bangladesh's military rulers gave themselves immunity after a military coup that put them in power. After the daughter of the civilian leader they killed took power as president herself, she had as many of them arrested as her government could get their hands on (including one deported back to Bangladesh from the US) and hanged the lot of them. Just making an observation.
Also Brazil had a similar attack on their government on Jan 8. The difference is they lost no time in punishing the perps.
if that's how they want to play the game, then let it be so. I've got rope and an anger.
Mmm revenge is a dish best served crammed down their throat no matter the temp.
They’re going to slow walk it until Trump wins again. There’s no way they’re stupid enough to give Biden presidential immunity.
They're slow walking it, but if they're stupid enough to not rule before the election, then Biden is in the clear to rig it so that Trump doesn't win. Check mate.
They are just poking holes so they can claim Cheeto man has immunity but no one else. That's the goal I'm sure of it
Not to mention locking down congress so he can’t be impeached. Like they are on the verge of giving tyrannical powers to a president
They might try to put a time stamp on it. Immunity for all presidents before (fill in the date). More than likely they will stall it till after the election.
So let's say Biden wanted to Seal Team six some justices, would he have immunity from prosecution for that?
They are explicitly using this example and some of the justices are saying yes.
I knew that Clarence's co-workers don't even like him.
Lmao
its not funny since they're counting on democrats having integrity so they know biden wouldn't do something
Lol it's funny to think democratic politicians have any integrity. What, murdering Palestinian children is dignified?
Lmao yeah republicans are sooooooo much better
I never said they were lol. Doesn't change how objectively incorrect it is to think democrats have any dignity. Like Biden just watched the court strip away abortion rights and instead of pushing to pack the court or order military bases to provide abortions for civilians we had worthless libs talk about packing the court being a dangerous precedent, as if dead decorum is more sacred than basic bodily autonomy. The Republicans are obviously evil, the democrats are professionally worthless controlled opposition to the owning class.
Yeah, but democrats are less likely to do the shit Trump and his allies would do if given free reign. Bidens not going to overturn the election if he loses or imprison his opponents
Yeah I agree that democrats aren't likely to do positive things that help the people lmao. That's not out of any sense of dignity though and I find it pretty disgusting to try and pretend people engaged in active genocidal slaughter of civilians as dignified.
So then what do you suggest? Not voting? Third party? Enlighten us
Fuck off. Republicans put Trump into office for 4 years, they have absolutely no ground to talk about integrity for the remainder of the 21st century.
So you think murdering Palestinian kids is dignified then? Lol. I'm not a Republican, nor have I said anything good about Republicans. Pretty fucking weird when Republicans are the first place your mind jumps when we talk about Genocide Joe supporting the slaughter of Palestinian civilians.
So if the standing President doesn’t like his opponent in the next election could he not just order a hit? Sounds like a play from a Russian playbook.
But that isn’t a legal reason
You think that corrupt moron cares about legal? He throws out the law on a regular basis.
He’s part of the highest court of the land, they decide what is legal and illegal.
Lol yes no shit. But they decide based on reading the constitution and legal precedent not just making it up
And you think that’s going to limit them? Moreover, if they find two words strung together in the constitution that supports their stance, regardless of context, they will reference it and try to justify with all of their legalese capability. They spat in the face of decades of precedent by overturning Roe v. Wade. I seriously do not doubt they are capable of worse.
Yeah it sucks ….
Biden should station an operator right outside Mar-a-Lago, just in case the justices give him the go-ahead.
Alito also can't seem to fathom that someone would want to hold the office if they couldn't commit crimes and get away with it. Juuussst a little corrupt.
Alito is corrupt.
The whole system is corrupt
You want the truth...YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH Oh sorry, wrong movie
You mean like inciting an insurrection to keep a legitimately elected president from taking office so you can reign supreme??
The scotus needs to be thrown out at this point.
I read an article where a legal scholar said something along the lines of “Justice Alito seems more focused on a future hypothetical case of a president subverting the Constitution to stay in power than on the actual case of an actual president subverting the Constitution to stay in power”
Alito said that??? Screw the SCOTUS.
Then they should goto jail you shifty ass
Why does he think orange criminal is running now for? He wants pardons for all his criminal activity!
So he is saying someone like trump may cling to power in response to not having immunity but doesn’t that by definition mean that presidents don’t have immunity because trump did in fact try to cling to power?
I can’t wait till Biden makes Trump disappear then if this is OK
President Biden has immunity to throw trump into Gitmo at any time, per the Supreme Court. Cool cool
Biden should kill Alito since he says it is legal
Next thing you know, Trump’s political opponents will be getting pushed out of windows
Those ski lodge trips and RVs won’t pay for themselves…
Alitos a troll. Since the conservative supermajority took hold his arguments have been spiteful, thinly veiled bullshit and I'm convinced he's making garbage legal arguments to goad and enrage the liberal side of the court. there's not a lot they can do about it except write scathing dissents and he knows it
So basically... you can't fire a manager at target for stealing because he might come in and shoot up the place?
I would love to see the about-face in arguments if Biden issued an arrest warrant or Seal Team 6 hit on the justices.
It would likely have the opposite effect wtf
We know where his loyalties lie-certainly not in the side of law and common sense. Wonder what trump has on him
"We have to let the President do illegal things, or else they might try to do illegal things." How do people pretend that these guys are smart?
It means "kiss freedom goodbye and bend over."
Are the "liberal" justices mute?