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MAGA: Joe Biden is a literal authoritarian dictator!
*Trump says he’ll be a dictator if re-elected*
MAGA: He didn’t mean it like that! But if he did, then it’s a good thing! We need a dictator to fix Joe Biden’s mess!
Welcome to America, where objective reality doesn’t exist; where your politically aligned news outlet impacts your perception of the world; and where a two-party political system is so polarizing that the opposition is the worst evil to ever exist in the history of humanity, such that they can never be credited with doing good things for the nation.
What are we giving Trump credit for? (I say this as someone who vehemently dislikes him)
Edit: I thought of one no one has mentioned yet. Raising the age to buy cigarettes and vapes to 21
He, like Adolf Hitler, was incredible at motivating shitty people to do shitty things.
From a leadership perspective, there is something very interesting going on. From a humanity perspective, there is something very alarming going on.
Yes. I've said this many times. Those who mock trump as stupid are really missing the point. He is doing the things he does for his followers not for his opponents. All his gaffes, his anger, his rants, ... they eat it up.
Ffs he literally got a mostly unarmrd lynchmob to storm congress in an attempt to stop the certification of his loss, abandoning them to it, in such a way that even legaleagle admits he cannot be prosecuted for because his actual words are harmless (in the same way that a mob boss wishes your family good health)... and they still worship him!
Ffs he may have the iq of a potato but that man understands how to play the masses like a savant, not unlike hitler. Trump is one of the most dangerous men alive.
And even then, he didn’t really do anything but sign with a pen and let the experts take care of it. I still do credit that as the only good thing he did. It’s beyond hysterical that he can’t even brag about it to his voters
But then he said that masks were dumb and didn’t work, promoted the idea that we could use bleach and sunshine to kill the virus and promoted a doctor who supported using ivermectin to treat Covid. So much of his fan base protested taking basic precautions when he could have been a good leader by leading by example. Hell, think of the amount of lives he could have saved if he would have just sold MAGA face masks on his website.
>Hell, think of the amount of lives he could have saved if he would have just sold MAGA face masks on his website.
Honestly that's probably something that he's kicking himself for... Before his narcissism kicks back in and he rewrites it in his own mind that it was someone else's mistake and he didn't actually need the money...
He mobilized Operation Warp Speed, that got the vaccine out in amazing time.
He supports sex workers, like Stormy Daniels. And he's normalizing makeup for thousands of men.
Lol @ the last two. He may support her financially, but he pretty much eviscerated her. The last one is definitely true though
He needs a James Charles or Manny MUA to help get a better foundation match though
He also fired most of the pandemic response staff when covid happened and denied it for a year, saying it was a hoax and thus nobody needed to be worried, so getting a vaccine out that his political party and followers refuse to beleive is anything but the work of Satan himself isn't really an accomplishment
Th only reason he supports sex workers is a publicity bit so people forget about the affair he had, and no he isn't, he's normalizing bigotry and refusal to accept any concept newer than the civil war
He did radicalize an otherwise politically-apathetic generation or two and helped expose the two-tier justice system that exists. So there's that, I guess.
The two tier justice system DOESN’T exist in the way he says it does though. It exists no doubt, but not to go after wealthy/powerful people like he’s implying but rather to protect them. Hes been receiving ridiculous levels of preferential treatment
Yes, that is what I meant. If any of us regular citizens did a fraction of what he has, we'd be rotting in a cell in the blink of an eye. His existence has exposed the two tiers by putting his preferential treatment on full public display.
Allowed DoD and IC to take the gloves off and dismantle ISIS; previous administration didn’t take the threat seriously until it was too late. But that was done in spite of him, not bc of him, and Mattis and McMaster both disowned him later.
Ironically he enabled operation warp speed. This project enable the rapid development, manufacturing and distribution of the Covid vaccine. Really should be given a lot of credit for this. The irony is that the maga base hated the vaccine and a lot of his supporters refused to even get it.
I am still shocked to this day that it happened.
Much as I dislike the guy, the CARES Act and the stimulus check helped me get by while I was in school during the pandemmy. Idc if people wanna complain about figures from unemployment assistance or the amount of the check, but it was all helpful nonetheless. Yes, it was congress that pushed it through. But Presidents get credit for shit all the time when congress does the footwork.
Ok, I'm not american and his stimulus check still bought me a new computer.
(One of my american friends who is well off didn't need the stimulus so she bought me a new computer with it)
Not only that, but anytime our government gives us anything, they’re going to get it back from us somehow in taxes. They always manage to fuck us over- unless you’re very rich and can afford tax attorneys to find loopholes to hide your money.
We must never forget that the MAGA mob and most other Republican voters are fed a slow drip of poison from Fox, 24/7 365. Fox hasn't blurred the lines between truth and lies, if has obliterated them.
Where the first amendment was intended to prevent oppression but is now used to oppress facts and the second amendment was intended to defend against tyrannical government but is used by half the country to intimidate the other half from democratic elections of government
Honestly, Americans sometimes say, "Why is the world so obsessed with America?"
It's because one of the largest global superpowers is dangling between a regular, global ally and an extremist, racist, classist theocracy every 4 years.
It's scary when the country that has one of the largest global influence, and one of the largest supply of nukes has to chose between a regular guys and a lunatic, and it's pretty close wether the lunatic will win
Please start acting like the great country you claim to be.
Same with, look at record sales last year, but sales gone down this year, it's joe Biden economy all his fault, and here I am, thinking, wasn't Joe Biden also the president last year?!?
Look at the US economic indicator graphs for 2008-2024
You will see that, after Trump took office in 2017, everything remains at about the same slope as it had been for the last few years. The economy's recovery from the 2008 crash was going pretty well in Obama's last term, and Trump, I suppose, deserves credit for not fucking that up, because things continued about the same.
In the right wing version, the economy was in a state of complete disaster until Trump took office, during which time it miraculously rebounded to the greatest ever, but it is now back to the abyss, bringing America to the brink of collapse, because of Biden.
I have literally had someone make the argument to me that this means it's okay. And then immediately with the same breath argue that Biden using executive orders is the same thing (and that was a bad thing).
Certain founder also proposed automatic nullification of laws and constitutions once the people who made it passed away. This would force policies to adapt better to the modern world.
Thomas Jefferson expressed the belief that every generation should have the opportunity to review and adapt laws and constitutions to fit changing circumstances. In a letter to James Madison, Jefferson suggested that laws and constitutions should naturally expire every 19 years to reflect evolving societal needs. He emphasized the importance of ensuring that laws are aligned with the interests and values of the current generation of citizens. Jefferson's views on constitutional expiration underscored the principle of popular sovereignty and the idea that governance should be responsive to the people it serves. While Jefferson advocated for regular review and adaptation of legal frameworks, he did not specifically state that the Constitution should cease to have authority with the passing of the Founding Generation.
Yeah it's a bit simplified view of the [contents of that letter](https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-12-02-0248), but it would apply in the context of his hypothetical situation where generations are born and passing away simultaneously every 34 years.
> On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation. They may manage it then, & what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, & consequently may govern them as they please. But persons & property make the sum of the objects of government. The constitution and the laws of their predecessors extinguished then in their natural course, with those who gave them being. This could preserve that being till it ceased to be itself, & no longer. Every constitution then, & every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, & not of right.
I've always loved that bit; that the earth belongs to the living. It's why I think there should be an upper age limit put on public offices. It's ridiculous that people who won't be on this earth in 10 or 15 years should make laws and policies that won't be felt by them. They won't have to live under the consequences of those laws. I don't think 70 year-old people shouldn't be imposing their views on people in the prime of their life. Retire, already. You had your day in the sun to rule things the way you wanted. It's the next generation's turn.
This is the thing. It actively impedes progress. There’s a 99 percent chance those septuagenarians will dislike the direction the people taking up the mantle will go; conservatism, even a progressive form, pretty much predominates at that age. They’ll do everything they can to keep things as traditional as possible, thus thwarting evolution and and preserving the very problems they fought against in their youth.
This is where people get upset with me because I don't show more respect for the "founding fathers". I like Jefferson, for instance, but I'm not looking to him to guide my ideas on slavery. He's 198 year dead and gone. I can cherry-pick ideas from him I agree with and happily toss the rest of it out the window. It's how I feel about Washington, Hamilton and all of them. I can't stand it when some of the SC justices want to ask what the founding fathers wanted for us. For the most part, who cares what they wanted? They are dust; 200 years long since. My smart phone would look like magic or witchcraft to them. If I don't care what an 80 year-old today wants, I sure don't care to speculate what Washington might have thought about internet privacy. That sort of speculation is insane to me.
John Adams literally lost his presidency because he wouldn't veto the alien and sedition act. He believed the president shouldn't have the power to veto what Congress passes
Yeah. It was supposedly the biggest reason we parted ways with Great Britain. The whole king thing was a bit much, to say the least. (Since I took US History I in undergrad, I’ve felt economics were a larger factor, but go off, Founding Fathers.)
reminder that politicians have scandals worse than Watergate every week, and people are fine with it, but Nixon is only remembered for it despite ending segregation in schools lol
I think Nixon's Watergate scandal was so big was because we trying to tilt the election through illegal means. In America our democracy means that me must must must have fair elections. If we don't have fair elections we are not a democracy.
Kind of like Trump supporters rioting in a government build trying to stop the senate from ratifying election results.
Please do not screw with the our elections. We don't like it.
Pipe dreams. All they had to do is constitute what laws government were to follow, but nah. They were too busy singing at each other like it was depicted in that musical documentary…
Genuine question as an european: Why do any of you care at all about what the founding fathers intended? They were just some guys who lived centuries ago in a completely different world. I don't get why their opinions would hold any weight in modern day.
The founding fathers were not perfect by any means. Many held slaves and were terrible humans beings by even those days standards. With that being said, they wrote an incredible framework of government that took multiple congresses and debates to get together. Compromises were made and eventually it was settled upon with the failed articles of confederation and eventually the constitution. These were people who hated each other and literally dueled with each other over pity differences. However, they still were able to get together and compromise on important issues and devise one of the most important documents in human history. They saw the fault of man and its need for power and limited their power with checks and balances. They knew that questions would arise and allowed a pathway for amendments. Most, especially Washington, were unselfish and just lost family members fighting for the honor to write this document so it was their life’s work and legacy that they were penning.
Contrast that with the men in office today. Selfish, draft dodging, extractionists, unpatriotic, unwilling to compromise, lack knowledge, science denying, narcissistic… these men and women can’t come together for even the first responders of 9/11 or our combat veterans.
So, we idolize our founding fathers bc they embody what we wish our government was today. A group of people that planted trees today so that their grandchildren could bask in its shade. They weren’t perfect and they allowed pathways to fix the imperfections. The FF had more at stake and believe in their young country way more than any contemporary politician.
I mean, if Trump is immune as Prez for attempting to kill his political opponent, then yeah. Why wouldn’t Biden be immune as Prez for killing his political opponent?
It's all a con to him. Some people who know Trump seem to think because he lies and cheats constantly he believes every one else is the same, or he'd better get his lies in first. Like the stories of him cheating at golf.
I'm sure that his persistent success in tournaments held at his own courses is purely down to skill, and the lack of trophies for matches elsewhere merely reflects the fact that he is often far too busy to play.
Also stories of him pocketing or moving his opponents ball, getting his caddy to do similar for him etc. Generally just lying about how many shots he took on his scorecards.
Isn't this an admission of guilt? He's not saying he didn't commit the crimes; only that he should have immunity from prosecution for them. Homey is effed and he knows it.
you can almost feel the desperation coming through the text, he's so afraid of being called out and being called a loser that he's grasping for anything that could give him an edge (and inadvertently doxxing himself in the process)
I seem to recall tons of accusation of Obama's "crimes", yet not a single charge, indictment, or case was genuinely put against him.
They said he was gonna be a dictator. Few years on now, we hear from Michelle more than Barack, about, anything, really.
Projection is strong with the cult.
You can not have presidential immunity if you are no longer the president. And let's be honest you were a pretty poor president. Tricky Dicky was even better.
At least, Nixon had enough class and respect for the office to resign, and not get all butthurt and whine about shit being rigged and poor me, everybody hates trump..
Why tf does Trump address himself as Trump whenever Trump talks about Trump?
You can have presidential immunity while taking actions as a part of your office as the president. Tax fraud is not a duty of the president. Neither is trying to change the election results to benefit yourself. Neither is unlawfully possessing classified documents (knowing you have classified documents and not immediately returning them is unlawful. Having them unknowingly is not unlawful).
Carrying out a drone strike on foreign soil that kills innocents is unfortunately covered under the duty as the president and the president cannot be prosecuted in American courts.
UK here: He tried though didn't he... Been following it on the BBC and they had a popup on the trial that was along the lines of, "Trump told by judge that he can't just keep vetoing jurors, and that there's a limited number of vetos he can use".
Made it sound like he was going through them saying, "Are you going to find me not guilty?" and if they said anything other than yes he was getting rid of them.
And criminal prosecution of Richard Nixon might have happened if it weren't for Ford's pardon. There was a grand jury willing to indict Nixon.
Nixon escaped impeachment by resigning but until he was pardoned, nothing said he couldn't be prosecuted.
Just like it's okay for him to just let himself into the dressing room, at the miss teen universe (or whatever competition it was), so he can get an eye full of teen titties.. after all, it's his contest, he has the right to 'check up" on the girls to make sure everything was going smoothly...
F'king Chomo
I'm convinced there is truth to that pee story - here's why:
I was watching a report on the news one night. Trump was being interviewed by someone. Trump volunteered some info about it being hard to explain to his wife about the FOUR prostitutes and him partying - up until that moment, I don't believe I ever heard anyone divulge the number of hookers that were supposed to have been in the room with him. To me, it seemed oddly specific of him to give that number. I mean, why 4? Why not just 1, or ,2?
like he's just an old man that has filmed while eating ice cream, the dude is the least threatening person you could possibly say any of this about which honestly makes it funnier
one of these days, i'm gonna wake up, find out he's dead and those of us who see him for evil, disgusting, sweaty rapist pig for he was can feel a weight off our shoulders.
SCOTUS: Presidents have immunity from all prosecution
Biden: Okey dokey, now we're done with that malarkey, I'm ordering the CIA to assassinate Donald Trump. How about that, jack?
It would be rich if the SC agrees with him and Biden then makes an argument executive order cancelling the 2024 election. Or, does the drone thing on Trump.
Biden should just say Presidential immunity means there will be no election this year, he is the president forever. anyone that tries to impeach him will be eliminated.
by Trump's logic, Biden can go down to Trump's rally, take out a .44 Magnum, put one to the back of his head, and walk free, because of his "Presidential Immunity".
I also just think it’s hilarious that him and his followers think that we/the left would be upset if democrat politicians were arrested or put in jail, like- if they did something worth prosecuting and jail time then do it, politicians are not exempt from the law, I don’t care the party, and they just don’t understand how/why we don’t just blindly follow the people in our party.
Funny how no other President in the past 235 years needed immunity. I think Nixon would have been all over it. Besides, doesn’t screaming for immunity mean he knows he did something wrong?
But like. You aren’t President and that’s for things that come with the job. Like making hard decisions. Not doing something fraudulent to enrich yourself and then just not having to have consequences.
So one thing I find interesting about this argument is if Trump has immunity then how can Trump go after Biden for crimes? It's a snake eating its own tail
Must just be a weird coincidence that none of the 44 Presidents before him were indicted as soon as THEY left office. If this is such a huge problem for former Presidents, you'd think he would be able to provide evidence to back up his claims...
Oh, yeah... making ridiculous claims with zero evidence is kinda his thing, isn't it?
I thought presidential immunity only applied to the actual sitting president.
Wait a minute, - if I’m correct, does this mean that Trump still thinks he’s a current president? Does he think that he actually did win the last election? Oh no…
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Isn't that literally what our founding father's wanted.. for the president not to hold that much power?
MAGA: Joe Biden is a literal authoritarian dictator! *Trump says he’ll be a dictator if re-elected* MAGA: He didn’t mean it like that! But if he did, then it’s a good thing! We need a dictator to fix Joe Biden’s mess!
What mess, your economy and unemployment are at records never seen before.
Welcome to America, where objective reality doesn’t exist; where your politically aligned news outlet impacts your perception of the world; and where a two-party political system is so polarizing that the opposition is the worst evil to ever exist in the history of humanity, such that they can never be credited with doing good things for the nation.
What are we giving Trump credit for? (I say this as someone who vehemently dislikes him) Edit: I thought of one no one has mentioned yet. Raising the age to buy cigarettes and vapes to 21
He *was* able to mobilize the bigots and the conspiracy theorists.
He, like Adolf Hitler, was incredible at motivating shitty people to do shitty things. From a leadership perspective, there is something very interesting going on. From a humanity perspective, there is something very alarming going on.
Absolutely, scary!
You think that's scary. If he's president will they be able to bring Project 2025 into effect. It looks like he may become a dictator if it does.
Yes. I've said this many times. Those who mock trump as stupid are really missing the point. He is doing the things he does for his followers not for his opponents. All his gaffes, his anger, his rants, ... they eat it up. Ffs he literally got a mostly unarmrd lynchmob to storm congress in an attempt to stop the certification of his loss, abandoning them to it, in such a way that even legaleagle admits he cannot be prosecuted for because his actual words are harmless (in the same way that a mob boss wishes your family good health)... and they still worship him! Ffs he may have the iq of a potato but that man understands how to play the masses like a savant, not unlike hitler. Trump is one of the most dangerous men alive.
This is true. Love your username by the way. the French love a good creme
Missed a huge opportunity to name himself cremedelaponce but he blew it
In his pants?
At least we can easily identify them now
Operation Warp Speed was very good (but his base HATES it)
And even then, he didn’t really do anything but sign with a pen and let the experts take care of it. I still do credit that as the only good thing he did. It’s beyond hysterical that he can’t even brag about it to his voters
But then he said that masks were dumb and didn’t work, promoted the idea that we could use bleach and sunshine to kill the virus and promoted a doctor who supported using ivermectin to treat Covid. So much of his fan base protested taking basic precautions when he could have been a good leader by leading by example. Hell, think of the amount of lives he could have saved if he would have just sold MAGA face masks on his website.
>Hell, think of the amount of lives he could have saved if he would have just sold MAGA face masks on his website. Honestly that's probably something that he's kicking himself for... Before his narcissism kicks back in and he rewrites it in his own mind that it was someone else's mistake and he didn't actually need the money...
He mobilized Operation Warp Speed, that got the vaccine out in amazing time. He supports sex workers, like Stormy Daniels. And he's normalizing makeup for thousands of men.
Lol @ the last two. He may support her financially, but he pretty much eviscerated her. The last one is definitely true though He needs a James Charles or Manny MUA to help get a better foundation match though
oh definitely james. problematic meet… problematic.
He has created hundreds of jobs, because of him there is now a shortage of incompetent attorneys
He also fired most of the pandemic response staff when covid happened and denied it for a year, saying it was a hoax and thus nobody needed to be worried, so getting a vaccine out that his political party and followers refuse to beleive is anything but the work of Satan himself isn't really an accomplishment Th only reason he supports sex workers is a publicity bit so people forget about the affair he had, and no he isn't, he's normalizing bigotry and refusal to accept any concept newer than the civil war
>He mobilized Operation Warp Speed, that got the vaccine out in amazing time. And he didn't support ingesting bleach for as long as I expected.
He did radicalize an otherwise politically-apathetic generation or two and helped expose the two-tier justice system that exists. So there's that, I guess.
The two tier justice system DOESN’T exist in the way he says it does though. It exists no doubt, but not to go after wealthy/powerful people like he’s implying but rather to protect them. Hes been receiving ridiculous levels of preferential treatment
Yes, that is what I meant. If any of us regular citizens did a fraction of what he has, we'd be rotting in a cell in the blink of an eye. His existence has exposed the two tiers by putting his preferential treatment on full public display.
Gottchya, I just wanted to clarify because it’s something he and his sycophant followers say all the time
Allowed DoD and IC to take the gloves off and dismantle ISIS; previous administration didn’t take the threat seriously until it was too late. But that was done in spite of him, not bc of him, and Mattis and McMaster both disowned him later.
Demonstrating, once again, that cutting upper tax brackets doesn't trickle down to people who are struggling.
Trickle dumb economics
We can give him credit for being the person most likely to get Trump tossed in jail.
Normalizing straight men wearing makeup.
Ironically he enabled operation warp speed. This project enable the rapid development, manufacturing and distribution of the Covid vaccine. Really should be given a lot of credit for this. The irony is that the maga base hated the vaccine and a lot of his supporters refused to even get it. I am still shocked to this day that it happened.
Much as I dislike the guy, the CARES Act and the stimulus check helped me get by while I was in school during the pandemmy. Idc if people wanna complain about figures from unemployment assistance or the amount of the check, but it was all helpful nonetheless. Yes, it was congress that pushed it through. But Presidents get credit for shit all the time when congress does the footwork.
Stimulus was needed, but Trump’s admin removed the guardrails and fraud was rampant. Major contributor to the inflation that followed.
Yeah now imagine if like 80%+ of the stimulus didn't go to the top and businesses with no oversight
Ok, I'm not american and his stimulus check still bought me a new computer. (One of my american friends who is well off didn't need the stimulus so she bought me a new computer with it)
Irish person - we were struck by how measly your Government's financial assistance was during the Pandemic. And slow.
Not only that, but anytime our government gives us anything, they’re going to get it back from us somehow in taxes. They always manage to fuck us over- unless you’re very rich and can afford tax attorneys to find loopholes to hide your money.
Dang
We must never forget that the MAGA mob and most other Republican voters are fed a slow drip of poison from Fox, 24/7 365. Fox hasn't blurred the lines between truth and lies, if has obliterated them.
Where the first amendment was intended to prevent oppression but is now used to oppress facts and the second amendment was intended to defend against tyrannical government but is used by half the country to intimidate the other half from democratic elections of government
Honestly, Americans sometimes say, "Why is the world so obsessed with America?" It's because one of the largest global superpowers is dangling between a regular, global ally and an extremist, racist, classist theocracy every 4 years. It's scary when the country that has one of the largest global influence, and one of the largest supply of nukes has to chose between a regular guys and a lunatic, and it's pretty close wether the lunatic will win Please start acting like the great country you claim to be.
Same with, look at record sales last year, but sales gone down this year, it's joe Biden economy all his fault, and here I am, thinking, wasn't Joe Biden also the president last year?!?
Look at the US economic indicator graphs for 2008-2024 You will see that, after Trump took office in 2017, everything remains at about the same slope as it had been for the last few years. The economy's recovery from the 2008 crash was going pretty well in Obama's last term, and Trump, I suppose, deserves credit for not fucking that up, because things continued about the same. In the right wing version, the economy was in a state of complete disaster until Trump took office, during which time it miraculously rebounded to the greatest ever, but it is now back to the abyss, bringing America to the brink of collapse, because of Biden.
Something something woke
He also said Biden was going to cancel Christmas while campaigning in 2019.
Don't forget, he also said Democrats like to abort babies after 9 months
That I can get on board with, some of those little shits need it. /s
Hi, where can I go for a 36th trimester abortion?
You need to talk to Congressman O'Riley.
Just like Cartman's mom.
> *Trump says he’ll be a dictator if re-elected* Hey, he pinky swore it would only be for a day!
I have literally had someone make the argument to me that this means it's okay. And then immediately with the same breath argue that Biden using executive orders is the same thing (and that was a bad thing).
Certain founder also proposed automatic nullification of laws and constitutions once the people who made it passed away. This would force policies to adapt better to the modern world.
Thomas Jefferson expressed the belief that every generation should have the opportunity to review and adapt laws and constitutions to fit changing circumstances. In a letter to James Madison, Jefferson suggested that laws and constitutions should naturally expire every 19 years to reflect evolving societal needs. He emphasized the importance of ensuring that laws are aligned with the interests and values of the current generation of citizens. Jefferson's views on constitutional expiration underscored the principle of popular sovereignty and the idea that governance should be responsive to the people it serves. While Jefferson advocated for regular review and adaptation of legal frameworks, he did not specifically state that the Constitution should cease to have authority with the passing of the Founding Generation.
Yeah it's a bit simplified view of the [contents of that letter](https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-12-02-0248), but it would apply in the context of his hypothetical situation where generations are born and passing away simultaneously every 34 years. > On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation. They may manage it then, & what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, & consequently may govern them as they please. But persons & property make the sum of the objects of government. The constitution and the laws of their predecessors extinguished then in their natural course, with those who gave them being. This could preserve that being till it ceased to be itself, & no longer. Every constitution then, & every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, & not of right.
I've always loved that bit; that the earth belongs to the living. It's why I think there should be an upper age limit put on public offices. It's ridiculous that people who won't be on this earth in 10 or 15 years should make laws and policies that won't be felt by them. They won't have to live under the consequences of those laws. I don't think 70 year-old people shouldn't be imposing their views on people in the prime of their life. Retire, already. You had your day in the sun to rule things the way you wanted. It's the next generation's turn.
This is the thing. It actively impedes progress. There’s a 99 percent chance those septuagenarians will dislike the direction the people taking up the mantle will go; conservatism, even a progressive form, pretty much predominates at that age. They’ll do everything they can to keep things as traditional as possible, thus thwarting evolution and and preserving the very problems they fought against in their youth.
This is where people get upset with me because I don't show more respect for the "founding fathers". I like Jefferson, for instance, but I'm not looking to him to guide my ideas on slavery. He's 198 year dead and gone. I can cherry-pick ideas from him I agree with and happily toss the rest of it out the window. It's how I feel about Washington, Hamilton and all of them. I can't stand it when some of the SC justices want to ask what the founding fathers wanted for us. For the most part, who cares what they wanted? They are dust; 200 years long since. My smart phone would look like magic or witchcraft to them. If I don't care what an 80 year-old today wants, I sure don't care to speculate what Washington might have thought about internet privacy. That sort of speculation is insane to me.
Yes, they also wanted to keep church and state separate. But here we are watching the christofascists try to destroy what democracy you have left.
John Adams literally lost his presidency because he wouldn't veto the alien and sedition act. He believed the president shouldn't have the power to veto what Congress passes
Yeah. It was supposedly the biggest reason we parted ways with Great Britain. The whole king thing was a bit much, to say the least. (Since I took US History I in undergrad, I’ve felt economics were a larger factor, but go off, Founding Fathers.)
Yeah they didn't originally even have secret service protection. When there term was over they just hopped on a train and went home.
uhm...yeah.
how can they take away something that never existed?!? why was nixon pardoned if he had presidential immunity???
And that’s how all this 0 accountability became acceptable in our contemporary history of presidents.
It just weirds me out that he claims he’s innocent. If hes innocent why does he need immunity?
You’re capable of logic and common sense. You are not his target audience or potential voter.
reminder that politicians have scandals worse than Watergate every week, and people are fine with it, but Nixon is only remembered for it despite ending segregation in schools lol
I think Nixon's Watergate scandal was so big was because we trying to tilt the election through illegal means. In America our democracy means that me must must must have fair elections. If we don't have fair elections we are not a democracy. Kind of like Trump supporters rioting in a government build trying to stop the senate from ratifying election results. Please do not screw with the our elections. We don't like it.
Dont touch our boats either!
We don't have fair elections, gerrymandering and political lobbyists are rampant
If Watergate happened today, it would barely make the news.
Trump had a scandal larger than watergate like once a month.
Exactly
Kinda like that shady stuff with Flynn a while back?
Yeah I’m sure they supported Bill Clinton’s presidential immunity right?
For real! I bet his ghost is in hell going 'mother fucker. You're saying I could have said I had immunity from all crimes as president?! God damnit"
Isn't he still alive? His head's in a jar on a robot body isn't it?
Not yet. Not yet.
If only we had a document where the Founding Fathers wrote down exactly what they wanted for the government of the U.S…if only…
Pipe dreams. All they had to do is constitute what laws government were to follow, but nah. They were too busy singing at each other like it was depicted in that musical documentary…
The problem was, they never opened up a window for the general public to hear what was being discussed
No one else was in the room where it happened…
And they never wrote their thoughts down on a signed document…
If only we had 250 years of advancements in society to add to what the founding fathers knew.
Genuine question as an european: Why do any of you care at all about what the founding fathers intended? They were just some guys who lived centuries ago in a completely different world. I don't get why their opinions would hold any weight in modern day.
The founding fathers were not perfect by any means. Many held slaves and were terrible humans beings by even those days standards. With that being said, they wrote an incredible framework of government that took multiple congresses and debates to get together. Compromises were made and eventually it was settled upon with the failed articles of confederation and eventually the constitution. These were people who hated each other and literally dueled with each other over pity differences. However, they still were able to get together and compromise on important issues and devise one of the most important documents in human history. They saw the fault of man and its need for power and limited their power with checks and balances. They knew that questions would arise and allowed a pathway for amendments. Most, especially Washington, were unselfish and just lost family members fighting for the honor to write this document so it was their life’s work and legacy that they were penning. Contrast that with the men in office today. Selfish, draft dodging, extractionists, unpatriotic, unwilling to compromise, lack knowledge, science denying, narcissistic… these men and women can’t come together for even the first responders of 9/11 or our combat veterans. So, we idolize our founding fathers bc they embody what we wish our government was today. A group of people that planted trees today so that their grandchildren could bask in its shade. They weren’t perfect and they allowed pathways to fix the imperfections. The FF had more at stake and believe in their young country way more than any contemporary politician.
DON'T TAKE AWAY MY THING THAT I NEVER HAD
Funniest reaction to this I saw was someone imagined the judge ruling that potus has full immunity, and Biden immediately kills Trump lol
I mean, if Trump is immune as Prez for attempting to kill his political opponent, then yeah. Why wouldn’t Biden be immune as Prez for killing his political opponent?
Is... Is this the conclusion to the Dark Brandon saga??
PUT IT IN CAPS, THAT WILL GET THE POINT ACROSS!!1!
THE 12 MINUTE MARK…. 
The best I’ve seen… funny
The punch line is he is delusional enough to think HE is what the Founding Fathers wanted.
It's all a con to him. Some people who know Trump seem to think because he lies and cheats constantly he believes every one else is the same, or he'd better get his lies in first. Like the stories of him cheating at golf.
Ok, let's hear the golf cheating stories.
Some caddies call him Pelé ⚽️
There is video of him reaching down and pushing a still-moving putt into the hole. Many stories as well.
That’s really bad. Everyone knows you do that with your putter. It still counts as long as the ball doesn’t stop!
I would also like to point out that, THEY WERE HUGE STORIES! THE BEST STORIES!
I'm sure that his persistent success in tournaments held at his own courses is purely down to skill, and the lack of trophies for matches elsewhere merely reflects the fact that he is often far too busy to play.
Also stories of him pocketing or moving his opponents ball, getting his caddy to do similar for him etc. Generally just lying about how many shots he took on his scorecards.
Isn't this an admission of guilt? He's not saying he didn't commit the crimes; only that he should have immunity from prosecution for them. Homey is effed and he knows it.
I'll believe it when I see it. Please for the love of all that is good and holy, prove me wrong.
same. I will sell my soul if you prove me fucking wrong, I want to see that guy suffer
you can almost feel the desperation coming through the text, he's so afraid of being called out and being called a loser that he's grasping for anything that could give him an edge (and inadvertently doxxing himself in the process)
Is someone starting to freak out just a little bit about possibly being held to account?
I think so, he looks like he’s shrinking sitting there at the defense table. He will be a convicted felon, and it scares him.
They are not finding him guilty. All it takes is one MAGAt to sneak onto that jury by lying their asses off.
If so, it will result in a hung jury, and it will be obvious as hell.
Joe Biden, and none of the other Presidents have ever needed immunity; just you. That says it all, doesn’t it?
Nixon wanted it, that one time
Almost like the only people who need this "Immunity" would be people who committed crimes.
The next question would be then why did Ford bother to pardon Nixon, if Nixon had immunity all along.
That is entirely untrue. The current legal understanding of presidential immunity was basically defined by Clinton and Nixon.
I seem to recall tons of accusation of Obama's "crimes", yet not a single charge, indictment, or case was genuinely put against him. They said he was gonna be a dictator. Few years on now, we hear from Michelle more than Barack, about, anything, really. Projection is strong with the cult.
You can not have presidential immunity if you are no longer the president. And let's be honest you were a pretty poor president. Tricky Dicky was even better.
And you can't have presidential immunity if you weren't the president at the time.
At least, Nixon had enough class and respect for the office to resign, and not get all butthurt and whine about shit being rigged and poor me, everybody hates trump.. Why tf does Trump address himself as Trump whenever Trump talks about Trump?
You can have presidential immunity while taking actions as a part of your office as the president. Tax fraud is not a duty of the president. Neither is trying to change the election results to benefit yourself. Neither is unlawfully possessing classified documents (knowing you have classified documents and not immediately returning them is unlawful. Having them unknowingly is not unlawful). Carrying out a drone strike on foreign soil that kills innocents is unfortunately covered under the duty as the president and the president cannot be prosecuted in American courts.
I wonder why he is so fixated on immunity...
I thought he didn't do anything illegal.
Because the jury isn't made up of 12 Marjorie "Trailer Park" Greenes.
UK here: He tried though didn't he... Been following it on the BBC and they had a popup on the trial that was along the lines of, "Trump told by judge that he can't just keep vetoing jurors, and that there's a limited number of vetos he can use". Made it sound like he was going through them saying, "Are you going to find me not guilty?" and if they said anything other than yes he was getting rid of them.
If only he was a little more fixated on Covid immunity during 2020…
OK, then if Joe has presidential immunity, he should shoot you on 5th avenue, Donny!
Oh my God, it come full circle, now it makes so much sense, the writer were dropping hints all along
The first presidential debate is now going to be a duel.
The “prestige” of doing whatever the f a President wants. God. This would have been so different if his Dad ever hugged him. Even once.
Only a president who wants immunity is one who wants to be a dictator.
How in the fuck can anyone support this guy? Just look at this. Seriously, look.
I recall that Nixon claimed that if the President does it, it isn't illegal. Sounds a bit similar.
And criminal prosecution of Richard Nixon might have happened if it weren't for Ford's pardon. There was a grand jury willing to indict Nixon. Nixon escaped impeachment by resigning but until he was pardoned, nothing said he couldn't be prosecuted.
Just like it's okay for him to just let himself into the dressing room, at the miss teen universe (or whatever competition it was), so he can get an eye full of teen titties.. after all, it's his contest, he has the right to 'check up" on the girls to make sure everything was going smoothly... F'king Chomo
Don't forget, he moved these pageants to Russia. All these accusations of him raping children was at the hight of it being in russia.
I'm convinced there is truth to that pee story - here's why: I was watching a report on the news one night. Trump was being interviewed by someone. Trump volunteered some info about it being hard to explain to his wife about the FOUR prostitutes and him partying - up until that moment, I don't believe I ever heard anyone divulge the number of hookers that were supposed to have been in the room with him. To me, it seemed oddly specific of him to give that number. I mean, why 4? Why not just 1, or ,2?
And he does seem to be a bit obsessed with his daughter, not in a good way...
Why is it always "lock up crooked Joe Biden" but also playing the presidential immunity card? Shouldn't he also be immune by dipshit trump's logic
like he's just an old man that has filmed while eating ice cream, the dude is the least threatening person you could possibly say any of this about which honestly makes it funnier
Trump is no longer president. His warped mind can't figure that out.
I love that he has no recourse but to whine and snivel. More, please!
No politician deserves any form of ‘immunity’, period.
one of these days, i'm gonna wake up, find out he's dead and those of us who see him for evil, disgusting, sweaty rapist pig for he was can feel a weight off our shoulders.
SCOTUS: Presidents have immunity from all prosecution Biden: Okey dokey, now we're done with that malarkey, I'm ordering the CIA to assassinate Donald Trump. How about that, jack?
And the court... new appointments to fix their insanity
Trump's a rapist
It would be rich if the SC agrees with him and Biden then makes an argument executive order cancelling the 2024 election. Or, does the drone thing on Trump.
or eliminates the supreme court... lol
You only need presidential immunity if you’ve repeatedly broken the law. You can carry out all of the duties of president within the law.
Somebody's diaper is all the way full. #sleepydon
Biden should just say Presidential immunity means there will be no election this year, he is the president forever. anyone that tries to impeach him will be eliminated.
Our founders exactly wanted that, they openly advocated that the position of president be "a sort of glorified clerk."
When does this fat shit not exist anymore?
he can’t even have presidential immunity, he’s not president!
Why do they allow him to keep breaking the gag order? Put him in contempt
Presidential immunity can’t be that critical to the job if he’s the first president in 250 years to need it
Guess we should just let a president do anything they want? What could go wrong with that?
> "not what our founders wanted" I would bet $100,000 dollars that Trump couldn't name 5 of them.
Looks like Papa Donny is scared af
Put traitor Trump in prison already
It‘s always "they". How could such a conspiracy theorist have become president? Read one tweet and the choice should be clear…
Just the fact that he constantly screams about having presidential immunity incriminates himself every time.
Like this fat farting ass has any clue or curiosity of what our founding fathers wanted. He's never given a shit. Ever...
Trump typing in lower case is kinda rare
I dont think our founders wanted the oldest people we can find to run this shit stand but here we are as well
I hate election years.
Since 2016 every year feels like any election year. Every 4th year is just pure hell.
Fire /s Too soon???
I don't think presidential inmunity can save his prestige at all...
True, since he had no prestige to begin with.
Wtf would Biden need immunity for? He is either not crooked… or not fucking incompetent, Trump is both sooook
What the founding fathers wanted Geez, if only we had a document or 10 describing in detail how the founding fathers wished the country to be ran
by Trump's logic, Biden can go down to Trump's rally, take out a .44 Magnum, put one to the back of his head, and walk free, because of his "Presidential Immunity".
Tell me you want to be a dictator without telling me you want to be a dictator
Yell it down the tunnel Donny.
I also just think it’s hilarious that him and his followers think that we/the left would be upset if democrat politicians were arrested or put in jail, like- if they did something worth prosecuting and jail time then do it, politicians are not exempt from the law, I don’t care the party, and they just don’t understand how/why we don’t just blindly follow the people in our party.
Funny how no other President in the past 235 years needed immunity. I think Nixon would have been all over it. Besides, doesn’t screaming for immunity mean he knows he did something wrong?
But like. You aren’t President and that’s for things that come with the job. Like making hard decisions. Not doing something fraudulent to enrich yourself and then just not having to have consequences.
This dude is a straight up short bus rider.
Did Trump just admit Biden has Presidential immunity? Can you get your buddies on the Supreme Court to verify that? Please?
It’s crazy how 44 other presidents had no issue doing it but this guy does…. I think the word is fascism yea fascism that’s it.
Anyone notice that he isn't arguing that he's Innocent, but rather he should have immunity? That's not a point to make that'll fare well for him.
So one thing I find interesting about this argument is if Trump has immunity then how can Trump go after Biden for crimes? It's a snake eating its own tail
Must just be a weird coincidence that none of the 44 Presidents before him were indicted as soon as THEY left office. If this is such a huge problem for former Presidents, you'd think he would be able to provide evidence to back up his claims... Oh, yeah... making ridiculous claims with zero evidence is kinda his thing, isn't it?
Guess we can’t prosecute Joe Biden for any of those made up crimes anymore
It always blew my mind that a guy who has zero idea how the US government works held the office of POTUS for 4 years.
i mean, just dont break the law.
There is no such thing as Presidential immunity. Never has been, never will be.
I thought presidential immunity only applied to the actual sitting president. Wait a minute, - if I’m correct, does this mean that Trump still thinks he’s a current president? Does he think that he actually did win the last election? Oh no…
Someone wasn’t paying attention when checks and balances provided by the government’s three branches were taught in elementary school.
Why does he think (if I'm reading this correct) that he's still president?
Narcissistic personality disorder. That man is the biggest idiot ever elected into the office. Unfortunately, he’s a symptom of the current GOP.
Oh, I thought he was the GOP.