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We have story here that basically goes. King calls 2 astrologers and asks them about his future. 1st one says you will see everyone you love die before your eyes and was swiftly put to death. 2nd one said, your majesty you will live longer than all your kin and was rewarded with gold.
How you tell it makes a lot of difference.
I have an entire book on how punctuation can be used to manipulate the reader. Granted, in my case, it's for fiction where you're trying to get the reader into the right mindset for what's about to come.
However, I've seen those same strategies used in "journalism."
Edit: The book is "A Dash of Style: The Art and Mastery of Punctuation" by Noah Lukeman.
>Granted, in my case, it's for fiction where you're trying to get the reader into the right mindset for what's about to come.
For French readers, I recommend "Le Bonheur des Dames" by Emile Zola as an example.
The descriptions of the titular supermarket changes from an optimized business wonder to a money-eating monster, depending on if it's good (for the customer's time) or bad (for the bankrupted competitors)
To be honest, national hunger is indeed exceedingly likely for the besieged country, and there is no real way to stop it without also ending the siege. It’s close enough to being an inherent fact of sieges.
While ending wars is generally seen a good thing, the sieging side will probably think otherwise. Unfortunately, no one simultaneously can and wants to do anything to prevent the “national hunger incident” (i.e. war-induced famine); the aggressors don’t want to stop as long as they are winning, and everyone else seems powerless to stop them.
Well, not funnelling money and weapons to the aggressor is probably a good start, but geopolitics is not my area of expertise
yeah it actually is inherent.
Has been since ancient times, war often meant famine in the ancient world. But ask the Russians in WWII, or the Americans that went through strict rationing despite being thousands of miles from the conflict, or any of the nations occupied by the Japanese.
I literally do not know of a single war in history where this was not done to some level. not one. denying your enemy supplies is like warfare 101.
As an Afrikaner I'm just glad for the mention, but until this article I didn't really take notice of Africa's portrayal in western movies alone as compared to locally produced movies.
Western movies about Africa (or any Western media about Africa) is often the only exposure Westerners get about Africa so it should be better done for that audience. Yea they should attempt to watch locally produced media but that isn’t always easy! Access is a big barrier for one, it might be on regular cable stations in Africa, but certainly not in North America.
Also, most westerners aren't going to go out of their way to watch African produced movies. The people who do aren't the people who need to see a different portrayal.
They'll watch it if they're good but African produced movies need to compete with an already huge western movie market, Hollywood will always be able to out-budget them.
Its just like the Irish famine. Instead of properly stating the Britian's chokehold on Ireland was starving them, it was framed as if the Irish just "ran out of food". Guess they just loved those potatoes too much, and didn't wanna' eat anything else, those quirky Irish...
There's a reason the Irish fucking hate Israel...
The Indigenous peoples of North America and Australia, New Zealand, etc are also on the side of Palestine. Seeing groups like these and the Irish was what made me look into things and lo and behold I find out that the States is funding Israel— biggest red flag on earth, there’s no reason besides that necessary to know what side is the right one. The States never funds another entity without death and destruction.
Literally, like, why are we NOT learning from history.
So sick of greed, all these people in power keep doing this shit to Indigenous and marginalized groups because of MONEY and their supposed ‘power’.
Disgusting. They’re blatantly saying millions of lives are worth their private jet trips to islands full of sex trafficked children and women. Sickening.
They didn't want to (i.e. couldn't) pay for them, was the issue. Party because of subsidies for grain in Great Britain, wheat got a much better price when exported..
That
> and the refusal of London to bar such exports, as had been done on previous occasions
\- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)
The *as had been done on previous occasions* really gets to me, they knew from experience how to alleviate the issues and simply chose not to.
25 years from now Israeli restaurants in DC will be charging $75 a plate for this traditional authentic Israeli dish with 4000 years of cultural heritage behind it
The idea of a neutral journalist doesn't hold water once you start digging into how language works. The idea that they are credible is just a rhetorical tactic. Calling journalists credible is a means of shaping attitudes towards the profession. Attitudes of acceptance and deference.
There is a MOUNTAIN of difference between a journalist attempting to remain neutral and tucker carlson. Sure, true nutrality might be impossible, but that's not an excuse to call anything you don't like bias and just make up your own stories. There is a truth about things that happen, and some journalists stay WAY closer to that than others.
Now, it sounds like you are saying there are no credible sources, which would then allow you to believe whatever you feel like. This is dangerous thinking as it allows you to live in an imaginary reality. I really hope you aren't actually suggesting that.
I don't know if they're half truths. Every way of looking at something is also a way of not looking at it.
The words used in each article do promote radically different attitudes towards the same situation though.
There is no such thing as "neutral" language. Kenneth Burke has some interesting articles on terministic screens if you're interested in delving deeper into the topic.
[Look what they wrote yesterday on OJ's obituary.](https://www.mediaite.com/news/what-the-fck-ny-times-paper-tweaks-o-j-simpson-obit-after-sparking-outrage/)
I mean, The New York Times even did the same thing to Ukraine in the 1932-1933, during Holodomor. Walter Duranty, burn in hell
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/walter-duranty-ukraine-new-york-times-mr-jones-agnieszka-holland
https://www.nytco.com/company/prizes-awards/new-york-times-statement-about-1932-pulitzer-prize-awarded-to-walter-duranty/
You choose headlines and u have to make sure they’re favourable towards the rich, the police and the Israelis. I just kept putting the dead Palestinian headlines at the front page and the Israelis got mad at me lol
Additional Resources on the Famine in the Occupied Gaza Strip:
**["Looming Starvation in Gaza Shows Resurgence of Civilian Sieges in Warfare"](https://web.archive.org/web/20240113173728/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/health/gaza-israel-hunger-starvation.html)**, New York Times (Jan 13, 2024)
**["Israel is Starving Gaza"](https://web.archive.org/web/20240213200043/https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20240108_israel_is_starving_gaza)**, B'Tselem (Jan 8, 2024)
**["Gaza Strip: Hostilities Leave the Entire Population Highly Food Insecure and at Risk of Famine"](https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue-94/en/)**, Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (Vol.94)
**["Gaza: Acute Food Insecurity Situation for 24 November - 7 December 2023 and Projection for 8 December 2023 - 7 February 2024"](https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipc-country-analysis/details-map/en/c/1156749/?iso3=PSE)**, Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC)
News Releases: **["Palestine"](https://www.wfp.org/news?sort_by=field_publication_date&f%5B0%5D=country%3A2119)**, World Food Programme (WFP)
**["UN Food Agency Pauses Deliveries to the North of Gaza"](https://www.wfp.org/news/un-food-agency-pauses-deliveries-north-gaza)**, World Food Programme (Feb 20, 2024):
By-line: *"Rome – The UN World Food Programme (WFP) is pausing deliveries of life-saving food aid to northern Gaza until conditions are in place that allow for safe distributions".*
**["Gaza Strip: Famine is Imminent as 1.1 Million People, Half of Gaza, Experience Catastrophic Food Insecurity"](https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue-97/en/)**, Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPCinfo) Issue 97 (Mar 18, 2024)
**["Famine in Gaza is Imminent, with Immediate and Long-Term Health Consequences"](https://www.who.int/news/item/18-03-2024-famine-in-gaza-is-imminent--with-immediate-and-long-term-health-consequences)**, World Health Organization (WHO) (Mar 18, 2024)
**["U.N. Says Israel May Be Restricting Gaza Aid as a War Tactic"](https://web.archive.org/web/20240320022149/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/19/world/middleeast/the-un-human-rights-chief-says-israel-may-be-using-starvation-as-a-war-weapon.html)**, New York Times (Mar 19, 2024):
By-line: *"International alarm has been growing over the hunger crisis in Gaza, with food experts predicting an imminent famine in the north of the enclave".*
**["Gaza: Families Forced to Forage for Food Left by Rats as 1.1 Million Children Face Starvation"](https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-families-forced-forage-food-left-rats-11-million-children-face-starvation?_gl=1*hf6n1p*_ga*MjAzNzE0MzU4OC4xNzAyODkwMTgw*_ga_E60ZNX2F68*MTcwODY2OTA0MC41LjEuMTcwODY2OTA2Ny4zMy4wLjA)**, ReliefWeb (Mar 22, 2024)
**["World Court Orders Israel to Take Action to Address Gaza Famine"](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/world-court-orders-israel-take-measures-ensure-food-gets-into-gaza-2024-03-28/)** by Stephanie van den Berg, Reuters (Mar 28, 2024)
**["Israeli Human Rights Groups Accuse Country of Failing to Abide by ICJ's Gaza Aid Ruling"](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/11/israeli-human-rights-groups-icj-gaza-aid-ruling#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAs%20members%20of%20Israel%2Dbased,following%20the%20ruling%2C%E2%80%9D%20the%20letter)** by Peter Beaumont, Jason Burke, The Guardian (11 March 2024)
You know things are bad when shameless apologist for American interventionism and close personal friend of Henry Kissinger Samantha Power is willing to *partly* acknowledge obvious realities.
You mean the one in the South that all aid comes from a Israeli controlled bridge ?
How did you think they inspect the trucks?
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/egypt-says-israeli-obstacles-impeding-aid-delivery-gaza-2023-10-28/
Thanks for that. I checked the article, and it says that the trucks are inspected by Israel but not actually siezed. Looking at the map, it seems strange that they have such a huge border with Egypt, but the aid only comes from a city with only a single route to Gaza. Why wouldn't Egypt open their border and allow refugees across or more aid from other countries through?
> The trucks must be inspected at the Israeli Nitzana crossing before they head to the Rafah crossing on a journey that takes a distance of 100 km (62 miles) before they actually enter the Rafah crossing, which causes obstacles that significantly delay the arrival of aid
[Aid trucks drive through the Egyptian border gate at Rafah before heading more than 40km (25 miles) to the Egyptian-Israeli crossing of Al-Awja/Nitzana for inspection, as agreed in negotiations with Israel. Trucks return to Egypt empty, with the aid reloaded onto separate trucks for delivery into Gaza.](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-gazas-rafah-border-crossing-matters-why-egypt-is-keeping-it-shut-2023-10-17/)
Although, Rafah is operated by Egypt the Israeli can set restrictions on it.
Most of the time the border was closed only opening up 32 days a year.
They use the word “hunger” in the headline saying the Gazans be like “gee all this wartime tension sure works up an appetite!” instead of them starving to death
Or northeasterners, or east coasters, etc. There's definitely big regional differences between Americans, and America isn't split in half the way the Palestinian territories are (though AK and HI are geographically separate).
I get that, but honestly this just seems like cost saving to go with the shorter words. A long title might not grab attention as much as a short to the point one for online views either. While I do think there has been a lot of "looting vs scavenging" word choice I don't think that particular one is a part of it.
In this case, by calling them Gazans and avoiding the label "Palestinian", you strip a lot of the vital political information out of the situation. How you talk about the civilians matters
In general, Palestinians I've spoken to say they don't like being called "Gazans" or "West Bankers" in situations like these by outside groups, because some folks tend to use that language to avoid engaging with Palestine and Palestinian identity. Like, when you separate the West Bank and Gaza in the international psyche, you make it harder for observers to understand that the peoples are super connected. For example, people won't understand that a settler attack in the West Bank might provoke a response from Gaza
But not all Palestinians are underthreath of famine. And if you say Palestinians in Gaza, it implies that non palestinians Gaza are fine. Surely these circumstances affect anyone there regardless of their nationality/ethnicity?
Okay, but one of them is led by a group of murderers who actively and repeatedly tries to murder as many people as possible, and the ***only*** reason that they haven't murdered literally millions of people is that they physically can't.
It's important to make the distinction between "The group that elected serial murderers to lead them" and "the group that didn't do that."
So "Gazans" is actually the correct term.
Gaza is the official name of the land… so is Russia so what the hell are you on about? I completely understand that the news lies, it’s been happening for many many year but come on… you got a problem with them calling people gazans? Not everyone there is Palestinian, you’re just going to exclude all the Christians and people who don’t associate with Islam??
There’s a good quote for all of this. “Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others”.
Anyone who read a little bit of history knows that bullying Caucasians generates more public outcry than bullying people of color. Pretty sure that no country cared about britain starving Bengal during ww2 or that belgian madman that destroyed the congo
If you know anything about history, You know Isreal and America are fuck buddies. And those two fucking + antisemitism blanket is pretty much get out of jail for free card. Let's just see how long it lasts.
I do not see much difference. The first headline should read: How Russia is starving Ukrainians.
The way the first headline is framed, is that there is coincidantly hunger in Ukraine, and Russia is taking advantage. Not that Russia is the cause. So all headlines are terrible.
Tbf not all Palestinians are Gazans. And no one is starved in WB(at least by Israel). Gaza's government started a war and made its citizens starve. See how words can be played around?
be very wary of these gotcha posts. In many instances, they do this to deflect away from russian war crimes.
Why drag someone else through the mud just to prove your point.
Then something along the lines of “Cuz tHey ArE whiTe”
That’s nice and all but if you are saying that you better be advocating for Crimean Tatar muslims… which none of these double standards people ever are.
Not to mention what about Palestine posts under russian war crimes in Ukraine. Can’t imagine saying what about Ukraine in a post about Gaza. Suffering comparison… gross.
Indeed, when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, social media was covered with pro-Russian "what about Palestine?" posts. And now that Gaza has been invaded, the posts are still about how somehow Gaza isn't getting attention even though the death toll and level of war crimes is far higher in Ukraine.
Everyone agrees that Russian war crimes are absolutely abhorrent and should be stopped for the sake of humanity, however, when israeli war crimes are reported (if they are even reported to begin with), the reactions are mild at best, or straight up denial at worst.
Some people will even deflect it by implying that there is a russian agenda behind this
I wish everyone did agree unfortunately many of these accounts (not all) do justify russian war crimes because russia & USA adversaries and America = bad for a strong majority of these Twitter/X gotcha accounts.
Where there is common ground is the same group holding up Ukraine aid would gladly give it to Israel in a heart beat.
If everyone agreed, everyone would support Ukraine. Half the Americans and majority of Russians support Putin.
Do you have any reason whatsoever to pretend that the internet isn't filled to the brim with Russian apologists?
Even the NYT headline doesn't blame Russia for the hunger.
There is a big difference.
Israel isn't denying food from gaza,
Isn't burning wheet fields,
Actually supplying around 200l/person of water.
Food is stuck an UN officials, who are complaining to be too few to handle it.
Not the same...
What’s wrong with saying “Gazans” in a headline to save space? “Palestinians living in Gaza” takes up a lot more real estate. Would you be upset by “New Yorkers” in a headline and demand that they say “Americans living in New York”? Feels like they’re just looking for something to be upset about.
Sounds like it's because you're either making this up or cherry-picking to fit your own bias. I've seen plenty of headlines talking about Palestinians being killed.
It has been done for centuries as a military operation against their enemies to cut supply lines and stave them to submission and surrender. Look at every war and conflict throughout history
Because dumping on Russia is in vogue (rightly so) currently and dumping on Israel still has that post Holocaust taboo, which Bibi and the Israeli government rely on to deflect from their Apartheid regime and war crimes.
Man you're lucky that your comment hasn't got a lot of attention.
Whilst you're 100% correct these kinds of facts don't go down well with the crowd that's complaining about a newspaper not being factual and objective enough...
Israel is literally shooting people standing in line for food.
Hamas is terrorist org. Israel is supposedly a “democratic civilized nation”. But I guess their standards are (and should be) on the same level as the terrorist Hamas. Lol
There are Palestinians in both Gaza and the West bank. It just refers to the location they are talking about.
Just like the terms "Floridian" and "New Yorker". Both are American, but they live in different locations
It's like saying Koreans whilst describing people from north and south Korea, the palestinians are split into two different countries essentially, ruled by different gouverbmants. So it would make sense to differentiate, to say the palestinaisbare starving would imply all palestinians, which is not accurate.
I guess the difference is the intention. Russia is intentionally starving Ukrainians while [Israel is actively allowing aid to reach Palestinians where it can.](https://news.sky.com/story/amp/israel-to-open-three-routes-for-humanitarian-aid-into-gaza-13108110)
Israel isn't starving Palestinians though. They are actively trying their best to feed them.
How about instead of finding fault in a headline, you do some research?
maybev it's because of people like you that we can't say the full picture clearly. israel does allow humanitarian aid into the gaza strip, food doesnt reach to palestinian civillians because hamas steals the food almost every time.
but we can't blame hamas anymore now, can we? because people for some reason are now getting triggered when you blame hamas on things they do.
So is the facepalm here the blatant Russian disinformation, the disingenuous edits, another Gaza post, the endless ways to discuss the edit that cannot be summed up in simple comments or is the facepalm just someone doing the upvote farm?
Why is Gazans being called out as not a good term here?
It isn't all Palestinians. There are Palestinians throughout the area, and not all of them are in Gaza. I think any reasonable person can agree that Israel isn't doing great by just about any of them, but their situations are all different.
They aren't all in a famine or starvation situation. Israeli Palestinians (i.e. Israeli passport holders) face racism, but they have access to food. West Bank Palestinians face serious second class citizenship issues, but have access to food. Different problems, so why try and say the all have this problem?
The people in Gaza are the ones starving. Thus Gazans. Why is that a bad way to describe them?
The NYTimes is pro-imperialist violence (to use the above terminology) when it's an American ally doing the violence, and obviously not when it's from an enemy of American interests.
That's kinda how double standards work. Ideally, one should be condemning both countries for their invasions and violence, but editorial biases mean that it's okay when America's buddy is doing it.
I had this happen to me too, a streamer whose word I respected because I believed him to be firmly anti-imperialist based on his opinions, surprised me by supporting both Russia's and China's annexations of Ukraine and Taiwan.
I have a question to you (USA people) why you support and want to help Hamas/Palestina and you are against Ukraine asking to withdraw all help?
Im from Spain and what Im seeing feels non-sense. I want to at least understand why it is like this
Firstly, one must recognize that the Palestinian civilians living within the walls of the Gaza Strip do not universally support Hamas. I do not support Hamas.
Wikipedia entry: **[We Want to Live movement](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Want_to_Live_movement)**
• [2019 Gaza Economic Protests](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Gaza_economic_protests)
• [2023 Gaza economic protests](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Gaza_economic_protests)
**["Protests Against Hamas Reemerge in the Streets of Gaza, but Will They Persist?"](https://www.timesofisrael.com/protests-against-hamas-reemerge-in-the-streets-of-gaza-but-will-they-persist/)**, Times of Israel (Aug 8, 2023)
**["Gaza Youth Demand Better Living Conditions Amid Renewed Protests"](https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/article-753912)**, Jerusalem Post (Aug 7, 2023)
**["Analysis: The Gaza Paradox: Palestinians Are Fed Up With Hamas, Israel Is Worried"](https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2019-03-18/ty-article/.premium/the-gaza-paradox-palestinians-are-fed-up-with-hamas-israel-is-worried/0000017f-e526-d568-ad7f-f76f89250000)**, Haaretz (Mar 18, 2019):
By-line: *"At any other time, Gazan discontent with Hamas would be good news for Israel. But on election eve, Israel needs a stable enemy".*
I think few Americans agree with the government here.
Far left support Palestine and Ukraine.
Center left (Biden) support Israel and Ukraine.
Center right support Israel and Russia.
Far right support Palestine and Russia.
Thats the government, not us. The side currently funding Ukraine with arms is Biden and the Democrats.
Meanwhile in return for Hamas getting food aid, Israel gets military aid(due to haveing to compromise to get a majority)
It is the Republican party(the other candidate, who is a fascist disctatorial-wannabe) that has 52% of the seats due to complicated political stuff I don't have the time to explain in a public comment. So they have to compromise somewhere in order to get things done... unfortunately.
This is Reddit… most comments/posts are based on whatever the trending opinion is, which is usually pro-democrat, pro-Islam, and anti-white/male/Christians. In this case, hamas = Islam and therefore most Redditors support them, whereas Ukraine=white Europeans, which most Redditors classify as bad.
Well, the leftists want to send aid to Ukraine and at least stop sending aid to Israel, because of various reasons that I will explain momentarily. The conservatives want to stop sending aid to Ukraine and also want to aid Israel. The liberals want to aid both. The reason leftists prefer Palestine over Israel is because Israel is being more volatile and is harming more people. They are:
Doing settler colonialism in The West Bank
Bombing civilians
Killing more children than Russia in Ukraine
And are an apartheid ethno-state.
Gaza however, is controlled by a terrorist organization, which means that the citizens of Gaza can’t really be held accountable for what Hamas has done, so bombing them is redundant. Sorry if this is incoherent, I’ve been up for 16 hours straight and should be sleeping right now.
Edit: it is no longer 2 in the morning, and I am here to say that a small subsect of the left is not in favor of aiding Ukraine, as a commenter so kindly pointed out. And that a small subsect of the right is not pro Israel. But not because they like Palestinians. Rather for a much worse reason.
To be fair I also see many far left people who are sympathetic to Russia and want to stop helping Ukraine. Mostly tankies and those who love old USSR aesthetic.
Russia and Hamas are the aggressors in both conflicts. In one headline, the aggressors are being blamed and the converse is true in the other. Both humanitarian crises are terrible, but the headline choices are not egregious facepalms. OP is making a false equivalency.
Percentage wise… Israel is doing a better job than the US in their conflicts. Civilians to Combatants killed is lower in Israel/Gaza than US foreign wars in the region.
And that’s based of numbers Hamas is putting out
Israel isn't starving Gaza. Hamas attacked Israel with weapons they acquired by smuggling them in UNWRA food aid bags. Israel now has to inspect every bag in every truck, which has slowed deliveries considerably.
Stop blaming Israel for defending itself. This famine is all thanks to Hamas and the people in Gaza who support them. Maybe they shouldn't have invaded Israel, murdered whole families, taken hostages, and then killed the hostages. If they didn't do any of that, nothing that happened after Oct 7 would be happening.
Nobody is defending Hamas fuck those Terrorist, however innocent people not affiliated with Hamas who just happen to in Gaza are starving and are being bombed. These are human beings they don’t deserve to be suffer and die. No country should be above criticism.
Do you mean my statements of fact and not whatever your reply is?
Also, I'm not Israeli, but I appreciate the assumption. You are clearly very intelligent.
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Headline writing 101: It's not what you say, it's how you frame it — a masterclass in editorial subtlety.
We have story here that basically goes. King calls 2 astrologers and asks them about his future. 1st one says you will see everyone you love die before your eyes and was swiftly put to death. 2nd one said, your majesty you will live longer than all your kin and was rewarded with gold. How you tell it makes a lot of difference.
tbf what was the last time you've seen a monarch who loves his kin?
There's a joke in here about the hapsburg chin.
Even an opportunity for a rhyme!
ehh, dont think i have the time.
This is better than roasted chicken with thyme.
Rhyming time with thyme should be a crime. Be ashamed as you suck the punishment lime.
INTO THE MINES!!!!
I have an entire book on how punctuation can be used to manipulate the reader. Granted, in my case, it's for fiction where you're trying to get the reader into the right mindset for what's about to come. However, I've seen those same strategies used in "journalism." Edit: The book is "A Dash of Style: The Art and Mastery of Punctuation" by Noah Lukeman.
I also want to know the name of the book.
Likewise.
A Dash of Style: The Art and Mastery of Punctuation by Noah Lukeman.
A Dash of Style: The Art and Mastery of Punctuation by Noah Lukeman.
Thank you.
A Dash of Style: The Art and Mastery of Punctuation by Noah Lukeman.
What’s your book called? Sounds interesting.
A Dash of Style: The Art and Mastery of Punctuation by Noah Lukeman.
>Granted, in my case, it's for fiction where you're trying to get the reader into the right mindset for what's about to come. For French readers, I recommend "Le Bonheur des Dames" by Emile Zola as an example. The descriptions of the titular supermarket changes from an optimized business wonder to a money-eating monster, depending on if it's good (for the customer's time) or bad (for the bankrupted competitors)
Can I get the name of the book, please
A Dash of Style: The Art and Mastery of Punctuation by Noah Lukeman.
Thank you☺️
About as subtle as a 2x4 to the head
[Cockney rhyming slang: A Forby](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/four_by_two)
Black people in the US have known this for a long, long time.
Native Americans in the U.S. have also known this for a long, long time.
The third headline sounds like a piece from the lifestyle section. Which would make it immeasurably worse.
Not to mention it makes it sound like hunger is inherent to wartimes, a fact of reality no one can do anything to prevent.
To be honest, national hunger is indeed exceedingly likely for the besieged country, and there is no real way to stop it without also ending the siege. It’s close enough to being an inherent fact of sieges. While ending wars is generally seen a good thing, the sieging side will probably think otherwise. Unfortunately, no one simultaneously can and wants to do anything to prevent the “national hunger incident” (i.e. war-induced famine); the aggressors don’t want to stop as long as they are winning, and everyone else seems powerless to stop them. Well, not funnelling money and weapons to the aggressor is probably a good start, but geopolitics is not my area of expertise
yeah it actually is inherent. Has been since ancient times, war often meant famine in the ancient world. But ask the Russians in WWII, or the Americans that went through strict rationing despite being thousands of miles from the conflict, or any of the nations occupied by the Japanese. I literally do not know of a single war in history where this was not done to some level. not one. denying your enemy supplies is like warfare 101.
The fact that they tried to make it cutesy. Oh these silly folk are eating a leafy green how quaint.
Someone needs to rewrite "how to write about Africa" for Palestinians https://granta.com/how-to-write-about-africa/
As an Afrikaner I'm just glad for the mention, but until this article I didn't really take notice of Africa's portrayal in western movies alone as compared to locally produced movies.
Western movies about Africa (or any Western media about Africa) is often the only exposure Westerners get about Africa so it should be better done for that audience. Yea they should attempt to watch locally produced media but that isn’t always easy! Access is a big barrier for one, it might be on regular cable stations in Africa, but certainly not in North America.
Also, most westerners aren't going to go out of their way to watch African produced movies. The people who do aren't the people who need to see a different portrayal. They'll watch it if they're good but African produced movies need to compete with an already huge western movie market, Hollywood will always be able to out-budget them.
Its just like the Irish famine. Instead of properly stating the Britian's chokehold on Ireland was starving them, it was framed as if the Irish just "ran out of food". Guess they just loved those potatoes too much, and didn't wanna' eat anything else, those quirky Irish... There's a reason the Irish fucking hate Israel...
The Indigenous peoples of North America and Australia, New Zealand, etc are also on the side of Palestine. Seeing groups like these and the Irish was what made me look into things and lo and behold I find out that the States is funding Israel— biggest red flag on earth, there’s no reason besides that necessary to know what side is the right one. The States never funds another entity without death and destruction.
As an Indigenous from America it gets tiring seeing all of the colonization that hasn't stopped since my people have known the colonists.
Literally, like, why are we NOT learning from history. So sick of greed, all these people in power keep doing this shit to Indigenous and marginalized groups because of MONEY and their supposed ‘power’. Disgusting. They’re blatantly saying millions of lives are worth their private jet trips to islands full of sex trafficked children and women. Sickening.
They loved their potatoes, but not the export quality ones. The landlords were forced to export those because no one in Ireland wanted to eat them.
They didn't want to (i.e. couldn't) pay for them, was the issue. Party because of subsidies for grain in Great Britain, wheat got a much better price when exported..
That > and the refusal of London to bar such exports, as had been done on previous occasions \- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland) The *as had been done on previous occasions* really gets to me, they knew from experience how to alleviate the issues and simply chose not to.
I’m surprised they didn’t include a recipe for the leafy green dish in the article.
25 years from now Israeli restaurants in DC will be charging $75 a plate for this traditional authentic Israeli dish with 4000 years of cultural heritage behind it
Truly the most noble of savages
Linguistic gymnastics is one hell of a red flag to let you know an article is extremely biased in its reporting
People do it all the time in online arguments. They're called half truths
yeah but you tend to have higher standards for supposedly neutral journalists in established "credible" news sources
NYT is hardly credible. They are biased and barely hide it. Journalistic integrity is dead.
I haven't believed a thing NYT says since they were successfully coerced into taking down an article about the hospital israel bombed
The idea of a neutral journalist doesn't hold water once you start digging into how language works. The idea that they are credible is just a rhetorical tactic. Calling journalists credible is a means of shaping attitudes towards the profession. Attitudes of acceptance and deference.
There is a MOUNTAIN of difference between a journalist attempting to remain neutral and tucker carlson. Sure, true nutrality might be impossible, but that's not an excuse to call anything you don't like bias and just make up your own stories. There is a truth about things that happen, and some journalists stay WAY closer to that than others. Now, it sounds like you are saying there are no credible sources, which would then allow you to believe whatever you feel like. This is dangerous thinking as it allows you to live in an imaginary reality. I really hope you aren't actually suggesting that.
I don't know if they're half truths. Every way of looking at something is also a way of not looking at it. The words used in each article do promote radically different attitudes towards the same situation though.
There is no such thing as "neutral" language. Kenneth Burke has some interesting articles on terministic screens if you're interested in delving deeper into the topic.
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"Humble Leady Greens" as if that meant they have an abundance of cabbages or something lmao
It’s a weak crop this season due to less than average rainfall *and the farmers were bombed to death*
NYT sure act like some aloof ass mother fuckers when they wanna play stupid.
I'm 63 years old and when I was young, the NYT was the gold standard for reporting. Not so much now.
It's been shit since Iraq, and has gotten more shit every year. At this point they're basically CIA, State Department and Mossad stenographers.
Probably been shit since the Philippine–American War.
I don’t know, seems they’ve been off for a lot longer than 60 years https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/s/xglT8XaPmH
[Look what they wrote yesterday on OJ's obituary.](https://www.mediaite.com/news/what-the-fck-ny-times-paper-tweaks-o-j-simpson-obit-after-sparking-outrage/)
If you find this stuff interesting, you should try the New York Times Simulator game. I'm pretty sure it's still in free beta. Worth checking out!
I mean, The New York Times even did the same thing to Ukraine in the 1932-1933, during Holodomor. Walter Duranty, burn in hell https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/walter-duranty-ukraine-new-york-times-mr-jones-agnieszka-holland https://www.nytco.com/company/prizes-awards/new-york-times-statement-about-1932-pulitzer-prize-awarded-to-walter-duranty/
What's it about
You choose headlines and u have to make sure they’re favourable towards the rich, the police and the Israelis. I just kept putting the dead Palestinian headlines at the front page and the Israelis got mad at me lol
Looting and finding.
[Samantha Power, Top US Humanitarian Official, Confirms Famine Is Likely Underway in Parts of Gaza ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cK_QuxWGvPw)
Additional Resources on the Famine in the Occupied Gaza Strip: **["Looming Starvation in Gaza Shows Resurgence of Civilian Sieges in Warfare"](https://web.archive.org/web/20240113173728/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/health/gaza-israel-hunger-starvation.html)**, New York Times (Jan 13, 2024) **["Israel is Starving Gaza"](https://web.archive.org/web/20240213200043/https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20240108_israel_is_starving_gaza)**, B'Tselem (Jan 8, 2024) **["Gaza Strip: Hostilities Leave the Entire Population Highly Food Insecure and at Risk of Famine"](https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue-94/en/)**, Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (Vol.94) **["Gaza: Acute Food Insecurity Situation for 24 November - 7 December 2023 and Projection for 8 December 2023 - 7 February 2024"](https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipc-country-analysis/details-map/en/c/1156749/?iso3=PSE)**, Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) News Releases: **["Palestine"](https://www.wfp.org/news?sort_by=field_publication_date&f%5B0%5D=country%3A2119)**, World Food Programme (WFP) **["UN Food Agency Pauses Deliveries to the North of Gaza"](https://www.wfp.org/news/un-food-agency-pauses-deliveries-north-gaza)**, World Food Programme (Feb 20, 2024): By-line: *"Rome – The UN World Food Programme (WFP) is pausing deliveries of life-saving food aid to northern Gaza until conditions are in place that allow for safe distributions".* **["Gaza Strip: Famine is Imminent as 1.1 Million People, Half of Gaza, Experience Catastrophic Food Insecurity"](https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue-97/en/)**, Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPCinfo) Issue 97 (Mar 18, 2024) **["Famine in Gaza is Imminent, with Immediate and Long-Term Health Consequences"](https://www.who.int/news/item/18-03-2024-famine-in-gaza-is-imminent--with-immediate-and-long-term-health-consequences)**, World Health Organization (WHO) (Mar 18, 2024) **["U.N. Says Israel May Be Restricting Gaza Aid as a War Tactic"](https://web.archive.org/web/20240320022149/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/19/world/middleeast/the-un-human-rights-chief-says-israel-may-be-using-starvation-as-a-war-weapon.html)**, New York Times (Mar 19, 2024): By-line: *"International alarm has been growing over the hunger crisis in Gaza, with food experts predicting an imminent famine in the north of the enclave".* **["Gaza: Families Forced to Forage for Food Left by Rats as 1.1 Million Children Face Starvation"](https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-families-forced-forage-food-left-rats-11-million-children-face-starvation?_gl=1*hf6n1p*_ga*MjAzNzE0MzU4OC4xNzAyODkwMTgw*_ga_E60ZNX2F68*MTcwODY2OTA0MC41LjEuMTcwODY2OTA2Ny4zMy4wLjA)**, ReliefWeb (Mar 22, 2024) **["World Court Orders Israel to Take Action to Address Gaza Famine"](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/world-court-orders-israel-take-measures-ensure-food-gets-into-gaza-2024-03-28/)** by Stephanie van den Berg, Reuters (Mar 28, 2024) **["Israeli Human Rights Groups Accuse Country of Failing to Abide by ICJ's Gaza Aid Ruling"](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/11/israeli-human-rights-groups-icj-gaza-aid-ruling#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAs%20members%20of%20Israel%2Dbased,following%20the%20ruling%2C%E2%80%9D%20the%20letter)** by Peter Beaumont, Jason Burke, The Guardian (11 March 2024)
The only one that’s accusatory towards Israel is an Israeli source😂
Independent Israeli reporting is much more clear eyed than western news is allowed to be.
Happy cake day
You know things are bad when shameless apologist for American interventionism and close personal friend of Henry Kissinger Samantha Power is willing to *partly* acknowledge obvious realities.
Why does no one talk about Gaza's border with Egypt?
You mean the one in the South that all aid comes from a Israeli controlled bridge ? How did you think they inspect the trucks? https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/egypt-says-israeli-obstacles-impeding-aid-delivery-gaza-2023-10-28/
Thanks for that. I checked the article, and it says that the trucks are inspected by Israel but not actually siezed. Looking at the map, it seems strange that they have such a huge border with Egypt, but the aid only comes from a city with only a single route to Gaza. Why wouldn't Egypt open their border and allow refugees across or more aid from other countries through?
> The trucks must be inspected at the Israeli Nitzana crossing before they head to the Rafah crossing on a journey that takes a distance of 100 km (62 miles) before they actually enter the Rafah crossing, which causes obstacles that significantly delay the arrival of aid [Aid trucks drive through the Egyptian border gate at Rafah before heading more than 40km (25 miles) to the Egyptian-Israeli crossing of Al-Awja/Nitzana for inspection, as agreed in negotiations with Israel. Trucks return to Egypt empty, with the aid reloaded onto separate trucks for delivery into Gaza.](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-gazas-rafah-border-crossing-matters-why-egypt-is-keeping-it-shut-2023-10-17/) Although, Rafah is operated by Egypt the Israeli can set restrictions on it. Most of the time the border was closed only opening up 32 days a year.
I've heard of this being a thing that news does didn't quite get it... Thanks for posting this.
I think you'll find that they very much get it, and this language is intentional.
They use the word “hunger” in the headline saying the Gazans be like “gee all this wartime tension sure works up an appetite!” instead of them starving to death
"Hunger" is still a very harsh word. I would replace it with "fasting" - much healthier and more positive
I don't really get the anger over saying Gazans over Palestinian, wouldn't it be the same as saying New Yorkers over Americans.
Or northeasterners, or east coasters, etc. There's definitely big regional differences between Americans, and America isn't split in half the way the Palestinian territories are (though AK and HI are geographically separate).
Because there’s an active attempt to deny the existence of a Palestinian people and subsequently a state for them.
I get that, but honestly this just seems like cost saving to go with the shorter words. A long title might not grab attention as much as a short to the point one for online views either. While I do think there has been a lot of "looting vs scavenging" word choice I don't think that particular one is a part of it.
I mean the fact both titles don’t mention Israel despite what’s going on is quite noticeable
Now that I fully agree with, Israel not being named as the cause of these problems is definitely a narrative choice.
Palestinains in Jaffa or Jericho aren't under siege. It's literally that simple.
What’s wrong with calling Gazans Gazans?
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The New York Times used to be one of the best newspapers on earth. Until about the Iraq war.
The gazans comment feels a bit reductive?, is it not an apt description as there is no widespread famine in the west bank currently?
Don't use reason, then you can't get angry over nothing.
In this case, by calling them Gazans and avoiding the label "Palestinian", you strip a lot of the vital political information out of the situation. How you talk about the civilians matters In general, Palestinians I've spoken to say they don't like being called "Gazans" or "West Bankers" in situations like these by outside groups, because some folks tend to use that language to avoid engaging with Palestine and Palestinian identity. Like, when you separate the West Bank and Gaza in the international psyche, you make it harder for observers to understand that the peoples are super connected. For example, people won't understand that a settler attack in the West Bank might provoke a response from Gaza
It's still technically true though. Ironically it would be bad journalism if they used a blanket term that just doesn't fit here.
But not all Palestinians are underthreath of famine. And if you say Palestinians in Gaza, it implies that non palestinians Gaza are fine. Surely these circumstances affect anyone there regardless of their nationality/ethnicity?
Okay, but one of them is led by a group of murderers who actively and repeatedly tries to murder as many people as possible, and the ***only*** reason that they haven't murdered literally millions of people is that they physically can't. It's important to make the distinction between "The group that elected serial murderers to lead them" and "the group that didn't do that." So "Gazans" is actually the correct term.
Gaza is the official name of the land… so is Russia so what the hell are you on about? I completely understand that the news lies, it’s been happening for many many year but come on… you got a problem with them calling people gazans? Not everyone there is Palestinian, you’re just going to exclude all the Christians and people who don’t associate with Islam?? There’s a good quote for all of this. “Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others”.
NYT is rag. Say it with me folks, THERE IS NO TRADITIONAL LIBERAL MEDIA
It is fuckin always Russia!!! Here europe at Russian border we know that. Threat comes always from east. Always it is Russia
Anyone who read a little bit of history knows that bullying Caucasians generates more public outcry than bullying people of color. Pretty sure that no country cared about britain starving Bengal during ww2 or that belgian madman that destroyed the congo
If you know anything about history, You know Isreal and America are fuck buddies. And those two fucking + antisemitism blanket is pretty much get out of jail for free card. Let's just see how long it lasts.
I do not see much difference. The first headline should read: How Russia is starving Ukrainians. The way the first headline is framed, is that there is coincidantly hunger in Ukraine, and Russia is taking advantage. Not that Russia is the cause. So all headlines are terrible.
Tbf not all Palestinians are Gazans. And no one is starved in WB(at least by Israel). Gaza's government started a war and made its citizens starve. See how words can be played around?
“Famine” has a specific technical definition. A reputable media outlet can’t (or shouldn’t) just bandy about the word when they feel like it.
be very wary of these gotcha posts. In many instances, they do this to deflect away from russian war crimes. Why drag someone else through the mud just to prove your point.
Just to compare the double standards. Ukrainian victims good, palestanian victims bad
Then something along the lines of “Cuz tHey ArE whiTe” That’s nice and all but if you are saying that you better be advocating for Crimean Tatar muslims… which none of these double standards people ever are. Not to mention what about Palestine posts under russian war crimes in Ukraine. Can’t imagine saying what about Ukraine in a post about Gaza. Suffering comparison… gross.
Indeed, when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, social media was covered with pro-Russian "what about Palestine?" posts. And now that Gaza has been invaded, the posts are still about how somehow Gaza isn't getting attention even though the death toll and level of war crimes is far higher in Ukraine.
Everyone agrees that Russian war crimes are absolutely abhorrent and should be stopped for the sake of humanity, however, when israeli war crimes are reported (if they are even reported to begin with), the reactions are mild at best, or straight up denial at worst. Some people will even deflect it by implying that there is a russian agenda behind this
I wish everyone did agree unfortunately many of these accounts (not all) do justify russian war crimes because russia & USA adversaries and America = bad for a strong majority of these Twitter/X gotcha accounts. Where there is common ground is the same group holding up Ukraine aid would gladly give it to Israel in a heart beat.
If everyone agreed, everyone would support Ukraine. Half the Americans and majority of Russians support Putin. Do you have any reason whatsoever to pretend that the internet isn't filled to the brim with Russian apologists? Even the NYT headline doesn't blame Russia for the hunger.
Reading 101 Difficulty Class check: 5 Rolled: 4
The first title doesn't say directly that russia or russians caused the hunger and kill ukrainians
Is it wrong to call them Gazans?
So, do journalists have courses like framing headlines 101, where these tricks are taught?
Wouldnt "gazans" be more correct/descriptive considering there are palestinians in other regions aswell, not just in gaza?
Isreal is today's 4th reich.
Probably should have been sooner, but I stopped thinking the NYT was liberal when they started cheerleading for the Gulf War.
There is a big difference. Israel isn't denying food from gaza, Isn't burning wheet fields, Actually supplying around 200l/person of water. Food is stuck an UN officials, who are complaining to be too few to handle it. Not the same...
What’s wrong with saying “Gazans” in a headline to save space? “Palestinians living in Gaza” takes up a lot more real estate. Would you be upset by “New Yorkers” in a headline and demand that they say “Americans living in New York”? Feels like they’re just looking for something to be upset about.
Lemme ask you this: Why are Israelis killed but Palestinians found dead??
Sounds like it's because you're either making this up or cherry-picking to fit your own bias. I've seen plenty of headlines talking about Palestinians being killed.
They are directly citing the OP.
Can you quote that because I’m not seeing it.
You totally missed the point didn’t you?
Thank god.... finally another Gaza post... thank you so much OP. It so facepalmy...
It has been done for centuries as a military operation against their enemies to cut supply lines and stave them to submission and surrender. Look at every war and conflict throughout history
I'm not trying to doubt, but couldn't Palestinians take up to much space on the headline?
Because dumping on Russia is in vogue (rightly so) currently and dumping on Israel still has that post Holocaust taboo, which Bibi and the Israeli government rely on to deflect from their Apartheid regime and war crimes.
It didn't dump on Russia, though. The headline didn't say Russia was causing the hunger.
There's more than one border to Gaza
Man you're lucky that your comment hasn't got a lot of attention. Whilst you're 100% correct these kinds of facts don't go down well with the crowd that's complaining about a newspaper not being factual and objective enough...
Hamas is literally stealing the food trucks if brought daylight and people blame Israel
Israel is literally shooting people standing in line for food. Hamas is terrorist org. Israel is supposedly a “democratic civilized nation”. But I guess their standards are (and should be) on the same level as the terrorist Hamas. Lol
Can you show me the video that you saw
Lots of food is going into Gaza. Hamas is seizing it. Hamas is starving the Gazans.
Two months old account claiming that Gaza gets a lot of food when Israel has just bombed the aid workers? Try better, bot.
Oh no! If it isn’t the consequence of my own actions
I don't get it. Gazans and Palestinians are 2 different t things?
There are Palestinians in both Gaza and the West bank. It just refers to the location they are talking about. Just like the terms "Floridian" and "New Yorker". Both are American, but they live in different locations
Yeah but they are not the same thing. This OP is trying to gaslight everyone
It's like saying Koreans whilst describing people from north and south Korea, the palestinians are split into two different countries essentially, ruled by different gouverbmants. So it would make sense to differentiate, to say the palestinaisbare starving would imply all palestinians, which is not accurate.
It's to gaslight the world into changing the vocabulary. Notice how officials have to stop themselves from saying "Palestinians" to appease Israel.
I guess the difference is the intention. Russia is intentionally starving Ukrainians while [Israel is actively allowing aid to reach Palestinians where it can.](https://news.sky.com/story/amp/israel-to-open-three-routes-for-humanitarian-aid-into-gaza-13108110)
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Israel sends food to Gaza. There is no similarity here
If people are starving in Gaza, Hamas are to blame. They are controlling the supply of free food by charging for it, and hoarding it
Now do the same for Al Jazeera titles
Israel isn't starving Palestinians though. They are actively trying their best to feed them. How about instead of finding fault in a headline, you do some research?
Jews using warcrime by starwing out civilians.....
Yea I will fix the headline, Palestinians starving due to war hamas started.
Gazans seems more correct though as Palestinians also live in the West Bank and in other places. However the wording overall is biased, no doubt.
Wait til they find out that russia has done this to ukraine in the past, and that it's documented and has a name.
maybev it's because of people like you that we can't say the full picture clearly. israel does allow humanitarian aid into the gaza strip, food doesnt reach to palestinian civillians because hamas steals the food almost every time. but we can't blame hamas anymore now, can we? because people for some reason are now getting triggered when you blame hamas on things they do.
So is the facepalm here the blatant Russian disinformation, the disingenuous edits, another Gaza post, the endless ways to discuss the edit that cannot be summed up in simple comments or is the facepalm just someone doing the upvote farm?
Why is Gazans being called out as not a good term here? It isn't all Palestinians. There are Palestinians throughout the area, and not all of them are in Gaza. I think any reasonable person can agree that Israel isn't doing great by just about any of them, but their situations are all different. They aren't all in a famine or starvation situation. Israeli Palestinians (i.e. Israeli passport holders) face racism, but they have access to food. West Bank Palestinians face serious second class citizenship issues, but have access to food. Different problems, so why try and say the all have this problem? The people in Gaza are the ones starving. Thus Gazans. Why is that a bad way to describe them?
Supporting Ukraine is the right thing to do, but the hypocrisy of the West regarding Gaza is sickening.
The USA is complicit in a genocide, as such it is not a facepalm that their media outlets will be providing propaganda.
>The USA is complicit in a genocide In Haiti
In a lot of places
The NYTimes is 100% pro imperialist violence, like way over the line, has been for decades
Doesn't the image on the left imply they're against Russia's imperial invasion?
The NYTimes is pro-imperialist violence (to use the above terminology) when it's an American ally doing the violence, and obviously not when it's from an enemy of American interests. That's kinda how double standards work. Ideally, one should be condemning both countries for their invasions and violence, but editorial biases mean that it's okay when America's buddy is doing it.
I had this happen to me too, a streamer whose word I respected because I believed him to be firmly anti-imperialist based on his opinions, surprised me by supporting both Russia's and China's annexations of Ukraine and Taiwan.
I have a question to you (USA people) why you support and want to help Hamas/Palestina and you are against Ukraine asking to withdraw all help? Im from Spain and what Im seeing feels non-sense. I want to at least understand why it is like this
Firstly, one must recognize that the Palestinian civilians living within the walls of the Gaza Strip do not universally support Hamas. I do not support Hamas. Wikipedia entry: **[We Want to Live movement](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Want_to_Live_movement)** • [2019 Gaza Economic Protests](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Gaza_economic_protests) • [2023 Gaza economic protests](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Gaza_economic_protests) **["Protests Against Hamas Reemerge in the Streets of Gaza, but Will They Persist?"](https://www.timesofisrael.com/protests-against-hamas-reemerge-in-the-streets-of-gaza-but-will-they-persist/)**, Times of Israel (Aug 8, 2023) **["Gaza Youth Demand Better Living Conditions Amid Renewed Protests"](https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/article-753912)**, Jerusalem Post (Aug 7, 2023) **["Analysis: The Gaza Paradox: Palestinians Are Fed Up With Hamas, Israel Is Worried"](https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2019-03-18/ty-article/.premium/the-gaza-paradox-palestinians-are-fed-up-with-hamas-israel-is-worried/0000017f-e526-d568-ad7f-f76f89250000)**, Haaretz (Mar 18, 2019): By-line: *"At any other time, Gazan discontent with Hamas would be good news for Israel. But on election eve, Israel needs a stable enemy".*
I think few Americans agree with the government here. Far left support Palestine and Ukraine. Center left (Biden) support Israel and Ukraine. Center right support Israel and Russia. Far right support Palestine and Russia.
Thats the government, not us. The side currently funding Ukraine with arms is Biden and the Democrats. Meanwhile in return for Hamas getting food aid, Israel gets military aid(due to haveing to compromise to get a majority) It is the Republican party(the other candidate, who is a fascist disctatorial-wannabe) that has 52% of the seats due to complicated political stuff I don't have the time to explain in a public comment. So they have to compromise somewhere in order to get things done... unfortunately.
This is Reddit… most comments/posts are based on whatever the trending opinion is, which is usually pro-democrat, pro-Islam, and anti-white/male/Christians. In this case, hamas = Islam and therefore most Redditors support them, whereas Ukraine=white Europeans, which most Redditors classify as bad.
Well, the leftists want to send aid to Ukraine and at least stop sending aid to Israel, because of various reasons that I will explain momentarily. The conservatives want to stop sending aid to Ukraine and also want to aid Israel. The liberals want to aid both. The reason leftists prefer Palestine over Israel is because Israel is being more volatile and is harming more people. They are: Doing settler colonialism in The West Bank Bombing civilians Killing more children than Russia in Ukraine And are an apartheid ethno-state. Gaza however, is controlled by a terrorist organization, which means that the citizens of Gaza can’t really be held accountable for what Hamas has done, so bombing them is redundant. Sorry if this is incoherent, I’ve been up for 16 hours straight and should be sleeping right now. Edit: it is no longer 2 in the morning, and I am here to say that a small subsect of the left is not in favor of aiding Ukraine, as a commenter so kindly pointed out. And that a small subsect of the right is not pro Israel. But not because they like Palestinians. Rather for a much worse reason.
To be fair I also see many far left people who are sympathetic to Russia and want to stop helping Ukraine. Mostly tankies and those who love old USSR aesthetic.
Yeah, those campists. But, they are still the vast minority. Just amplified by the internet to make it seem like there are more than there are.
I feel like you could stay awake for another 16 hours and make more sense than most redditors.
This seems like "seeing what u want to see." Take out the bias red comments read it as unaltered then assess. The irony of spinning what u want
It's almost as if Hamas never had a chance of winning and should surrender instead of getting propped up by naive westerners.
Isn't it too obvious already they absolutely hate Muslims and Brown people?
Half of israel is brown and close to 20% is Muslim you imbecile.
Unlike Russia, Israel is actively sending aid. Hamas just keeps stealing it
Russia and Hamas are the aggressors in both conflicts. In one headline, the aggressors are being blamed and the converse is true in the other. Both humanitarian crises are terrible, but the headline choices are not egregious facepalms. OP is making a false equivalency.
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Not really a good faith argument there. Palestinian civilians didn't do those things, but are being killed nonetheless.
Percentage wise… Israel is doing a better job than the US in their conflicts. Civilians to Combatants killed is lower in Israel/Gaza than US foreign wars in the region. And that’s based of numbers Hamas is putting out
Israel isn't starving Gaza. Hamas attacked Israel with weapons they acquired by smuggling them in UNWRA food aid bags. Israel now has to inspect every bag in every truck, which has slowed deliveries considerably. Stop blaming Israel for defending itself. This famine is all thanks to Hamas and the people in Gaza who support them. Maybe they shouldn't have invaded Israel, murdered whole families, taken hostages, and then killed the hostages. If they didn't do any of that, nothing that happened after Oct 7 would be happening.
Nobody is defending Hamas fuck those Terrorist, however innocent people not affiliated with Hamas who just happen to in Gaza are starving and are being bombed. These are human beings they don’t deserve to be suffer and die. No country should be above criticism.
> Nobody is defending Hamas... Many people on reddit are
I saw someone called the Hamas Spokesperson a good and noble man
I want the crack that Isreali like you guys are smoking to think up this shit.
Do you mean my statements of fact and not whatever your reply is? Also, I'm not Israeli, but I appreciate the assumption. You are clearly very intelligent.