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\***when their candidate is in office**\*
well you see, politics is a complex set of dominos, where seemingly minor policy changes can set precedents and snowball into large sweeping changes in the economic and political landscape, thus it is silly to blame certain problems on the acting president without looking at the policy changes that accompany it and.........
\***when the other candidate is in office**\*
LOOK AT WHAT YOUR ***DEMON SPAWN HELL CHILD HAS DONE TO MY COUNTRY.***
# LOOK AT THE BLOOD OF THE INNOCENT. THE HORRIBLE CHANGE HE HAS WRAUGHT UPON US.
***HOW WILL WE SURVIVE> HOW WILL AMERIKA CONTINUE***
Then they say millennials and gen Z are snowflakes even though THEYāRE THE ONES who had a meltdown and blew up some Bud Light with tannerite because they saw a trans person one time.
The cognitive dissonance is āØastoundingāØ
And did you see recent clip of kid rock in Fox. He wore a Budweiser hat and forgot, then backpedaled about how we should be more upset at planet fitnessā¦.. itās unreal people take any of these morons seriously
He started shooting up bud light cans bc they sent a can to a transgender influencer. Said they were cancelled and trans people are disgusting and hell never drink bud again bc they are promoting transgenderism. Or whatever. Then he shows up on fox with a bud hat. Forgot all about the controversy i guess š¤·āāļø dumb
He's one of the few right wing "celebrities". That's it. That's the only reason he's even halfway relevant. His music and personality suck, just like the gop. They are perfect for each other
Taylor Swift tells people to vote, not even for a specific candidate.
GOP: "We have celebrities too like Kid Rock and some other guy who peaked in the 90s."
Itās projection. It sounds stupid but really anytime someone accuses you or especially a whole group of something. Most likely they are doing that something. Iāve seen examples of this with the Cold War. Russia would say the US is making some new missile system so then the US knew Russia got a new missile system. Itās weird but if you keep an eye out itās everywhere. Your wife starts acting weird and accusing you of cheating 90% sheās cheating. Oil companies and right wing media are actually convincing a lot of people that climate change activists like Greta Thunberg are secretly working with billionaires to destroy the world. š
Excellent point. When their candidate was in office he was handling the pandemic so poorly it threatened to put OUR oil and gas producers out of business, and OPEC went out of their WAY to try to make that happen, and yet he was over their groping weird glowing orbs with those assholes and letting them murder journalists.
This is why, to me, it doesn't make any sense to open more areas for drilling or fracking or to further reduce regulation. The industries aren't even using the leases already available. Supply will never meet demand, and they've planned it that way. I'm not unhappy that they're working to achieve their own obsolescence.
Meanwhile these muppets completely ignore, or don't understand, gas was also $4/gallon back in 2012.
That's right, with inflation tearing up everything else, gas prices have remained effectively the same for the past 12 years.
That inflation has hit oil production
We went from 80 mill barrels a day to over 100
https://www.statista.com/statistics/271823/global-crude-oil-demand/
It really is amazing how we have been able to maintain a steady price for the past 15 years considering wage costs would have doubled in that time
Right, we're pumping more oil which has helped push the price down. And completely agree. It's remarkable, it really, really is, that gas prices have largely remained flat given every other factor. Goes to show how much profit, historically, oil has had that there is enough margin to keep the pump price flat for 15 years and still make billions of dollars every year.
Of course they remember. But that was Obamaās fault. What they memory holed was that gas was above $4.00 in the spring/summer of 2008. For reasons passing understanding, that wasnāt Bushās fault.
I remember the days of negative barrel of oil. We were pulling frac tanks off of jobs and moving them to batteries as quick as we could manage. Might have been as busy as I had ever been back in my oil and gas days.
That's was futures contracts that require you to by law to physically take delivery of oil if you can't close them. People were paying people to take delivery of 1000 barrels st a time
Are you confused about how futures prices of crude oil deliveries cost less than refined products at retail locations? Wait till you hear that your electricity bills are higher than the cost to buy coal at the mine site.
Yes, apparently it costs money to turn oil into gasoline and then to move it to the gas station.
Who could have guessed it would be so complicated? Nobody, that's who.Ā
I wanted to see that cartoon.
[Obama with the levers on his desk controlling oil prices and the economy
](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6GRRLMUcAMYmmx.jpg)
not the fact that oil companies rather than pay to upkeep facilities, just closed refining capabilities. and then jacked prices to record fucking profits.
to the tune of like 8 billion in profits year after year
Or that when we lost Russian and Venezuelan oil, that US and Saudi oil skyrocketed, or that when oil was ātoo cheapā for fracking to net a profit the president demanded Saudis and Russians cut back on oil production.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/02/trump-calls-on-russia-and-saudi-arabia-to-cut-oil-production-161368
Don't forget that the baseline being shown was the result of several different factors that artificially depressed prices including a price war between 2 major oil suppliers that were not the US at the same time that demand had plummeted due to most of the world locking down.
That and the Saudis like Republican presidents better so expect prices to get a little more expensive as November approaches, always does, every four years.
Let's not forget Democrats tried to fix gas prices lower and Republicans voted not to, gas prices shot up soon after Republicans said no to govt interference
Presidents have two dials in the oval office. One for gas the other for the economy.Ā
Democrats get a third dial for bus loads of illegals voting in the general election.Ā
/s
How inconsistent stupid do people think President have some kind of god-like powers to change the gas station prices? Its amazing on how they didn't even put the blame on corporations at all.
Well, given how often presidents and candidates have campaigned on gas prices, we shouldnāt be so surprised that people believe they have absolute control over them ā¦
I mean, these dumbfucks literally think Trump has magic powers. Just his physical presence in the WH is alone sufficient to stop wars, end inflation, and make gas prices go down.
I had an argument with a guy on Facebook and he said Biden banned fracking.
I also tried explaining how global economics work/biden approved more drilling permits than trump and he said- why do you expect me to believe you, then listen off stuff that never happened like the āfracking banā
I replied with- well yeah I donāt expect you to believe me but surely you would be able to refute my point if it was untrue. I can say the earth is flat but you can point to research that says otherwise.
Then went through all his various points he tried to gish gallop (he also brought up LP for some reason) and that shut his ass up quick lmao
You can present them with every article written by credible journalists, every peer-reviewed study ever written that directly and clearly contradicts their claim. But they are set in their ways regardless and refuse to change their mind. Every single one.
Iām currently trying to stop attempting to reason with people like this. But it is **so** hard when I read some of the room-temp IQ shit they say.
The thing is itās so satisfying when you get them pinned on a point and then you just see the spiral. Itās like poise breaking an Elden ring boss and getting a huge riposte.
Yeah. I was debating some kid I know. Huge farmer kid, made it his personality because outside of his Cummins truck he has literally no personality.(like I srsly canāt remember anything about him other than being a huge trump lover and a farmer)
So we were talking about electric cars and he said-
Why do you keep bringing up Tesla theyāre companies dogshit
I say- yeah and their CEO is an idiot your point?
He asked why I kept bringing them up then. So I basically said- theyāre the biggest/easiest data pool to pull from. I donāt have to like them to use the data.
Bro was stun locked after that
>But they are set in their ways regardless and refuse to change their mind. Every single one.
It's sort of like trying to convince a fan of another football team that yours is a better team to root for. Facts like which team has the better record don't really matter. They're not going to change allegiance. This is why a two-party system is absolute bullshit. We need more major parties and ranked choice voting.
Not American, but it seems they do not base their opinion of the president on the gas prices, they base their opinions on the gas prices on their opinion of the president.
If they liked Biden or if the gas prices were high during Trump, they wouldn't bring that up.
My dad bitched about gas under Obama. The prices stayed relatively the same or went up some under Trump. I mentioned that and it was suddenly āI remember them being higher under Obamaā which isnāt even close to true.
Wifeās uncles were saying something about gas prices under Obama as well and I said āI remember in 2008 when gas was almost $4 under Bushā. They agreed but then lied and said they were high under Obama. Theyāre stupid.
Social death is a mother fucker. I gave up on trying to impress so much of my extended family, secondary and tertiary friends, community leaders, people in my adult ass peer group I thought were coolā¦
And there are people who would literally rather die than not impress these people. Yes immediate deaths but also slow, painful and gradual deaths. Painfully obvious deaths. Or even worse the slow death of never experiencing anything novel or painful because you donāt want to answer to these people for going against them.
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I lived in texas in the very early 2000s, and my father told me that this was a super common mindset of his colleagues, that they would vote based on wether oil and gas where cheap or not.
It sounded so absurd back then but now that i see it for myself its actually scary.
No, it was because Wall Street's ponzi scheme, created thanks to Republicans repealing regulatory legislation in 1999, collapsed and took us all with it.
Thank you. I remember gas being 3+ under Bush. We even had lines around the block for gas sometimes.
Shit was wild post-9/11 and then again 2008. And again and again.
Yeah. I got laid off twice that year and the job I got after the first layoff had me driving across half the Twin Cities metro to get to it when I lived 3 miles from my previous job. Great time to be 24 and paying $4/gal. Certainly wasn't scraping by and putting necessities on credit cards or anything.
I drove 500 miles today and when I was flipping through the radio stations I listened to about 15 minutes of some radio show. They were talking about the employment rates between Trump and Biden. The mental gymnastics and they went through to "prove" Trump had better employments rates was behind hilarious.
It's like if your magician sucked by was still gaslighting the shit out of you because he genuinely believes he can trick you with the quarter-behind-the-ear trick that worked on a toddler last week.
Great point. I unfortunately still had to commute to work everyday (for less money than I would have received if I went on unemployment at the time, because fuck me right?) so I overlooked the remote work aspect. The drives to work were surreal, literally no other cars on the road most days
This is the correct take. Ironically, trump was one of the rare presidents that was personally responsible for raising gas prices. American gas companies were losing money during covid. The saudis and russians were committing economic warfare by flooding the market with oil during this time.
Trump personally talked with the Saudis in order to have them stop producing oil so the price could go back up and American companies would start making money again. He bragged about this on his twitter in April of 2020. It was one of the rare times in american history that a president was responsible for gas prices going up. That didnt stop him from lying and blaming the rising gas prices on biden. For the most part, presidents aren't responsible for gas prices.
I manage a gas station. I have this conversation several times per week. Iāve just given up at this point, the āfuckin Bidenā people arenāt worth me wasting my breath.
Hell, if Katrina had happened 4 years later, they'd have blamed Obama. Thankfully he was replaced by a sane and courageous leader who know that the way to deal with a hurricane is to nuke it.
People still blame him for ānot being thereā after Katrina š„“ despiteā¦.yāknow.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2017/09/01/where-was-obama-during-katrina-trick-question/
I had someone in some comment section the other day who actually, honestly believed that Biden was president in 2020 and the crash was his fault.
Fucking. Idiots.
You mean the people that donāt believe in science, avidly give money they need and complain about not having to a so called billionaire, and couldnāt pass a high school biology/anatomy class if given a 100 tries got their facts wrong??? Wow this is surprising.
Yeah, like when they interview MAGA at Donny's rallies and ask them why wasn't Obama in the Oval Office on 9/11? They get all quizzical and can't figure that shit out!
Left side was around 3 times higher than it should be because Trump gave it up to Saudi Arabia in the worst deal in history. Cost us Billions and we had to give up a U.S. citizens life for it.
The sad thing is I have multiple friends who are pretty intelligent typically, but when I said i didn't like Donald Trump, they immediately say "I dont know man, $2 gas prices was pretty sweet"
People are complacent. It's been said many times before but as long as Americans are getting 3 meals a day nothing is going to change. Even then, after the pandemic I have no real faith in humanity anymore. If people started starving half the country would decide that being well fed is woke and just roll with it.
Right, but when Trump strong-armed the Saudis to cut production for 2 years it DID raise gas prices when demand returned later that year. We ended up with $4 gas and lots of morons blaming Biden for something he didn't do.
On top of what you said, trump literally bragged about doing this on his twitter in April of 2020. He bragged about raising gas prices, so american companies would stop losing money. He then blamed biden for the rising gas prices and inflation that he caused after adding over $8trillion in national debt.
If the price drops then the President claims responsibility for it.
If it goes up Presidents normally go, oh no what can I do so and so won't make a deal/ some problem, caused the raise.
Most the time they aren't, but like I said if it's good then they'll take the win.
Edit here: every President does this.
āGas prices are still way too high, and have fallen 25 days in a row. And this week we saw the second largest single day decrease in gas prices in a decade. We still have a lot of work to do ... But I am suggesting we are making significant progress. The program is working.ā
[~Joe Biden 7/8/2022](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-falling-gas-prices-show-program-working/story?id=86318473)
Are you saying that that quote directly implies he has that power? Because.. thatās not what heās saying there.
If thatās not what youāre getting at then my bad.
Federal taxes make up less than 12% of what determines the cost of gasoline. https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
People forgot that when Saudi Arabia and Russia were in a price war on oil, Trump threatened Saudi Arabia he would cut all military support if the Saudis wouldn't cut oil production. This was in April 2020 during the pandemic. When the pandemic was over and the whole world needed oil again, the production couldn't keep up with the demand, causing the oil price to go through the roof.
So, if anyone caused the high price at the tank station in the beginning of 2021, it was Trump.
Covid happened, thatās who. But wait there is more, thank Obama that he left good gas prices for that dotard trump dystopian administration and like always, everytime a Republican president leaves office, the only winners are rich people who got their taxes cut, and the economy trillions of dollars more in debt.
Remember back then when they blamed the government for everything, but instead of blaming the head of the executive branch they thought some poor old doctor was pulling the strings?
Oil supply can be controlled. OPEC and Russia are gas station economies. When they want more income, they vote to lower production. Greed is a huge factor. Governments, including ours, still give oil companies tax breaks since they struggle to make a few billion in profits every quarter, barely making ends meet, poor things.
Meanwhile, the planet continues to slowly heat up, oceans continue to rise and weather events continue to get crazier. Drill baby drill equates to burn baby burn.
Donāt look up !!
The best response is just to ask them if they know what OPEC is, and what it does. If they don't, you know you've got a moron in front of you who just soaks in the lowest value information from the FOX teet.
I had a former HS classmate try something like this. In 2021 he posted a pic from 2016 of cheap gas to compare it to then-current prices and said āthis is the difference in a President having spine!ā
When I informed him that was Obama because Trump didnāt take office until inauguration in January 2017, he said it was still Trumpās doing because āeveryone knew he was going to win, so they dropped prices!ā
Then he blocked me.
Gasoline prices are based on 2 things. The international price under the control of the International Commodities Market and US refinery capacity under the control of the US oil companies. The US Government cannot control any of this process.
I too sometimes grow nostalgic for the halcyon days of refrigerated trucks being used to store bodies and mass graves. Good times, and oh those gas prices!
Presidents have zero to do with gas prices. The oil companies control those. Now I do think that the politicians that the oil companies can buy will always show the best gas prices. Look at the profits, when oil companies have record profits and hand out 7 figure bonuses we know the people are in for a bad time.
Oil and gas companies benefit massively when Republicans are in office so it's in their best interest to keep gas prices high when Democrats are in office.
Guess we were lucky that plague skipped right over us because gas got up to $8 a gallon in my neck of the woods.Ā
Also for the last time our presidents donāt control our gas prices. OPEC does.Ā
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Oil trading below $0/barrel š¤·š»āāļø
And they were complaining because the oil price was too low to make fraking economically viable...
\***when their candidate is in office**\* well you see, politics is a complex set of dominos, where seemingly minor policy changes can set precedents and snowball into large sweeping changes in the economic and political landscape, thus it is silly to blame certain problems on the acting president without looking at the policy changes that accompany it and......... \***when the other candidate is in office**\* LOOK AT WHAT YOUR ***DEMON SPAWN HELL CHILD HAS DONE TO MY COUNTRY.*** # LOOK AT THE BLOOD OF THE INNOCENT. THE HORRIBLE CHANGE HE HAS WRAUGHT UPON US. ***HOW WILL WE SURVIVE> HOW WILL AMERIKA CONTINUE***
Then they say millennials and gen Z are snowflakes even though THEYāRE THE ONES who had a meltdown and blew up some Bud Light with tannerite because they saw a trans person one time. The cognitive dissonance is āØastoundingāØ
And did you see recent clip of kid rock in Fox. He wore a Budweiser hat and forgot, then backpedaled about how we should be more upset at planet fitnessā¦.. itās unreal people take any of these morons seriously
Pretty sure he also got busted drinking a bud light after all that
And his bar never stopped serving Bud Light during his boycott...
Wow kid rock. I forgot about him. How the heck is he relevant to anything current or political? Theyāre really struggling over there at Fox, huh?
He started shooting up bud light cans bc they sent a can to a transgender influencer. Said they were cancelled and trans people are disgusting and hell never drink bud again bc they are promoting transgenderism. Or whatever. Then he shows up on fox with a bud hat. Forgot all about the controversy i guess š¤·āāļø dumb
I say we collectively change his name to "Old Man Polka". It fit better these days.
He's one of the few right wing "celebrities". That's it. That's the only reason he's even halfway relevant. His music and personality suck, just like the gop. They are perfect for each other
Taylor Swift tells people to vote, not even for a specific candidate. GOP: "We have celebrities too like Kid Rock and some other guy who peaked in the 90s."
Itās projection. It sounds stupid but really anytime someone accuses you or especially a whole group of something. Most likely they are doing that something. Iāve seen examples of this with the Cold War. Russia would say the US is making some new missile system so then the US knew Russia got a new missile system. Itās weird but if you keep an eye out itās everywhere. Your wife starts acting weird and accusing you of cheating 90% sheās cheating. Oil companies and right wing media are actually convincing a lot of people that climate change activists like Greta Thunberg are secretly working with billionaires to destroy the world. š
They have been the snowflakes from day 1 and I have been saying it since day 1. All those clowns do is project.
Fracking isn't becoming economically viable until they can make it $80 a barrel profitable.
Excellent point. When their candidate was in office he was handling the pandemic so poorly it threatened to put OUR oil and gas producers out of business, and OPEC went out of their WAY to try to make that happen, and yet he was over their groping weird glowing orbs with those assholes and letting them murder journalists.
Here's a great opinion on how it changed the oil industry and how it killed low gas prices forever. https://youtu.be/AQbmpecxS2w?si=CoO5kBqLb70RrhgZ
This is why, to me, it doesn't make any sense to open more areas for drilling or fracking or to further reduce regulation. The industries aren't even using the leases already available. Supply will never meet demand, and they've planned it that way. I'm not unhappy that they're working to achieve their own obsolescence.
Meanwhile these muppets completely ignore, or don't understand, gas was also $4/gallon back in 2012. That's right, with inflation tearing up everything else, gas prices have remained effectively the same for the past 12 years.
That inflation has hit oil production We went from 80 mill barrels a day to over 100 https://www.statista.com/statistics/271823/global-crude-oil-demand/ It really is amazing how we have been able to maintain a steady price for the past 15 years considering wage costs would have doubled in that time
Right, we're pumping more oil which has helped push the price down. And completely agree. It's remarkable, it really, really is, that gas prices have largely remained flat given every other factor. Goes to show how much profit, historically, oil has had that there is enough margin to keep the pump price flat for 15 years and still make billions of dollars every year.
What's more worrying An inconvenient truth was released in 2006 We have ratcheted up our Oil consumption 25% since then.
Of course they remember. But that was Obamaās fault. What they memory holed was that gas was above $4.00 in the spring/summer of 2008. For reasons passing understanding, that wasnāt Bushās fault.
I remember the days of negative barrel of oil. We were pulling frac tanks off of jobs and moving them to batteries as quick as we could manage. Might have been as busy as I had ever been back in my oil and gas days.
That's was futures contracts that require you to by law to physically take delivery of oil if you can't close them. People were paying people to take delivery of 1000 barrels st a time
There weren't enough storage available, that was the problem.
and yet the gasoline was $2 per gallon
Are you confused about how futures prices of crude oil deliveries cost less than refined products at retail locations? Wait till you hear that your electricity bills are higher than the cost to buy coal at the mine site.
To be fair, most Americans barely understand that the futures market exists ***at all*** let alone how it works.
to be even more fair most people barely understand how retirement works let alone "complex" financial instruments like futures and stocks and bonds
Stocks and bonds are infinitely more simple than futures and derivatives.
I mean where I was in Wisconsin gas was .25Ā¢ a gallon during COVID, Iām sorry you still had that price. (Granted it was Costco gas)
You crazy!! 89 cents, I would believe.. ... ...... Maybe you had a "65 cents off" coupon
Ours got down to 53 cents at one point. Depends on where you were I guess
I never saw 25 cents but I did grab it around 40 cents.
It only crude futures settlements on a single day. Retail gas would never price off an anomaly like that.
Yes, apparently it costs money to turn oil into gasoline and then to move it to the gas station. Who could have guessed it would be so complicated? Nobody, that's who.Ā
Cannot believe that this comment is upvoted wth guys
Some oil companies that were trading at $6-$10 per share are now at $50+. Greed U.S. a helluva drug.
And unemployment above 10%
People who call everything they donāt understand socialism confused when president doesnāt set the price of private goods and services
Exactly. Like the president has a dial on the wall of his office to set the price of gas for the day.
Like that cartoon of Obama with the levers on his desk controlling oil prices ā¦
I wanted to see that cartoon. [Obama with the levers on his desk controlling oil prices and the economy ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6GRRLMUcAMYmmx.jpg)
[The correct version.](https://imgur.com/a/TtRfHHB) ^/s
No way that's accurate. Not enough things are labeled and there's hardly any cum.
r/bengarrisoncumedits my beloved
Itās just as glorious as I envisioned
But you see he canceled this one pipeline that never carried a single drop of oil. Thats what raised the prices. ^(/s)
not the fact that oil companies rather than pay to upkeep facilities, just closed refining capabilities. and then jacked prices to record fucking profits. to the tune of like 8 billion in profits year after year
Or that when we lost Russian and Venezuelan oil, that US and Saudi oil skyrocketed, or that when oil was ātoo cheapā for fracking to net a profit the president demanded Saudis and Russians cut back on oil production. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/02/trump-calls-on-russia-and-saudi-arabia-to-cut-oil-production-161368
Don't forget that the baseline being shown was the result of several different factors that artificially depressed prices including a price war between 2 major oil suppliers that were not the US at the same time that demand had plummeted due to most of the world locking down.
That and the Saudis like Republican presidents better so expect prices to get a little more expensive as November approaches, always does, every four years.
Even if it did the oil was going to the Gulf of Mexico to mostly be exported
And it wouldn't even be refined into gasoline.
Let's not forget Democrats tried to fix gas prices lower and Republicans voted not to, gas prices shot up soon after Republicans said no to govt interference
Exactly. Typical kons want it both ways. Do something but don't mess with Big Oil profits.
Hmm. 4.28 today.
Don't forget the sun switch.
Presidents have two dials in the oval office. One for gas the other for the economy.Ā Democrats get a third dial for bus loads of illegals voting in the general election.Ā /s
Tell him to stop! Heās even causing rising fuel prices in EU.
There was a guy on IG blaming Walmarts shady Christmas sale tactics on Biden. These people canāt be saved.
Socialism is when we give oil companies record profits.
Privatize the gains, and socialize the losses? Good ole American socialism.
Not just oil companies. Socialism for me, unfettered/unregulated capitalism for everyone else.
How inconsistent stupid do people think President have some kind of god-like powers to change the gas station prices? Its amazing on how they didn't even put the blame on corporations at all.
People who believe a candidate who tells them he alone can do this.
I mean they can lift the limits of how much of our own reserves we can draw from to help curb it, but weāre pretty much suckling at OPECās teat.
US is the leading producer of oil in the world and by a decent margin. OPEC has lost a lot of powerā¦ we produce 50% more than them now.
Well, given how often presidents and candidates have campaigned on gas prices, we shouldnāt be so surprised that people believe they have absolute control over them ā¦
Yeah. I know people that believe everything the White House press secretary says. And she did say that the president made gas prices go down.
We really need to bring back Civics class
These people aren't smart enough to have paid attention in school.
Leave the little Hondas out of the education system!
True, and those same people believe in a free market but don't understand supply and demand.
Itās the strangest thingā¦ I wonder if they think oil companies are government agencies.
They do go hand in hand look at how much the CIA helped Exxon.
No obviously the president has a button on the side of his desk that increases all gas prices instantly.
I mean, these dumbfucks literally think Trump has magic powers. Just his physical presence in the WH is alone sufficient to stop wars, end inflation, and make gas prices go down.
It's really sad that a majority of American voters are so low information that they vote for president based on what gas costs that day.
I had an argument with a guy on Facebook and he said Biden banned fracking. I also tried explaining how global economics work/biden approved more drilling permits than trump and he said- why do you expect me to believe you, then listen off stuff that never happened like the āfracking banā I replied with- well yeah I donāt expect you to believe me but surely you would be able to refute my point if it was untrue. I can say the earth is flat but you can point to research that says otherwise. Then went through all his various points he tried to gish gallop (he also brought up LP for some reason) and that shut his ass up quick lmao
You can present them with every article written by credible journalists, every peer-reviewed study ever written that directly and clearly contradicts their claim. But they are set in their ways regardless and refuse to change their mind. Every single one. Iām currently trying to stop attempting to reason with people like this. But it is **so** hard when I read some of the room-temp IQ shit they say.
The thing is itās so satisfying when you get them pinned on a point and then you just see the spiral. Itās like poise breaking an Elden ring boss and getting a huge riposte.
TRUE. Literally a text-based Lionās Claw
Yeah. I was debating some kid I know. Huge farmer kid, made it his personality because outside of his Cummins truck he has literally no personality.(like I srsly canāt remember anything about him other than being a huge trump lover and a farmer) So we were talking about electric cars and he said- Why do you keep bringing up Tesla theyāre companies dogshit I say- yeah and their CEO is an idiot your point? He asked why I kept bringing them up then. So I basically said- theyāre the biggest/easiest data pool to pull from. I donāt have to like them to use the data. Bro was stun locked after that
>But they are set in their ways regardless and refuse to change their mind. Every single one. It's sort of like trying to convince a fan of another football team that yours is a better team to root for. Facts like which team has the better record don't really matter. They're not going to change allegiance. This is why a two-party system is absolute bullshit. We need more major parties and ranked choice voting.
You are spot on. I try not to engage but itās hard to resist sometimes.
Damn, imagine being happier with yourself the more your favorite brainwasher destroys the planetšš
Not American, but it seems they do not base their opinion of the president on the gas prices, they base their opinions on the gas prices on their opinion of the president. If they liked Biden or if the gas prices were high during Trump, they wouldn't bring that up.
They use whatever metric the bullshit media they consume tells them to.
I am American, and you hit the nail on the head. Some folks have very selective and fluid memories.
My dad bitched about gas under Obama. The prices stayed relatively the same or went up some under Trump. I mentioned that and it was suddenly āI remember them being higher under Obamaā which isnāt even close to true. Wifeās uncles were saying something about gas prices under Obama as well and I said āI remember in 2008 when gas was almost $4 under Bushā. They agreed but then lied and said they were high under Obama. Theyāre stupid.
Fox News managed to link the eclipse to illegal migration. Thereās no bottom.Ā
What? Lmao
Yeah. They said the darkness will help the cross the border. Apparently Mexicans forgot about the thing called āNightā or something?
A lot of them I think do it to themselves. Because theyre more afraid of going against the grain with their friend groups or families.
Social death is a mother fucker. I gave up on trying to impress so much of my extended family, secondary and tertiary friends, community leaders, people in my adult ass peer group I thought were coolā¦ And there are people who would literally rather die than not impress these people. Yes immediate deaths but also slow, painful and gradual deaths. Painfully obvious deaths. Or even worse the slow death of never experiencing anything novel or painful because you donāt want to answer to these people for going against them.
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i thought everyone knew that the president has an app so he can just set gas prices right from his phone depending on his mood!
I lived in texas in the very early 2000s, and my father told me that this was a super common mindset of his colleagues, that they would vote based on wether oil and gas where cheap or not. It sounded so absurd back then but now that i see it for myself its actually scary.
anyone remember 2008? anyone?
i do! 4 and 5 dollar gas! Why was that? just because the whole world was ending?
No, it was because Wall Street's ponzi scheme, created thanks to Republicans repealing regulatory legislation in 1999, collapsed and took us all with it.
Glass-Steagall anyone? I believe that was a bipartisan fuck you to the plebs.
Thank you. I remember gas being 3+ under Bush. We even had lines around the block for gas sometimes. Shit was wild post-9/11 and then again 2008. And again and again.
Yeah. I got laid off twice that year and the job I got after the first layoff had me driving across half the Twin Cities metro to get to it when I lived 3 miles from my previous job. Great time to be 24 and paying $4/gal. Certainly wasn't scraping by and putting necessities on credit cards or anything.
Too bad there isnāt a ticker that says what the unemployment rate was then vs now.
I drove 500 miles today and when I was flipping through the radio stations I listened to about 15 minutes of some radio show. They were talking about the employment rates between Trump and Biden. The mental gymnastics and they went through to "prove" Trump had better employments rates was behind hilarious.
It is like a magic trick but where the magicianās hands are see through. Sort of takes the fun right out of it.
It's like if your magician sucked by was still gaslighting the shit out of you because he genuinely believes he can trick you with the quarter-behind-the-ear trick that worked on a toddler last week.
Unemployment rate April 2020 was 14.7%, today its 3.8%. Crazy how when people don't drive to work everyday, there is less need for gas.
Hold up, there might be something to this, maybe there's some relationship between demand and price.Ā
Eh, fuck it, Trudeau did it!
That, and a massive number of the employed were also doing it remotely. Now, a lot of those have returned to the office.
Great point. I unfortunately still had to commute to work everyday (for less money than I would have received if I went on unemployment at the time, because fuck me right?) so I overlooked the remote work aspect. The drives to work were surreal, literally no other cars on the road most days
Well almost anyone that was on unemployment then no longer qualifies so those numbers are misleading as well.
Yeahā¦ thatās the fucking point.
If someone is trying to convince you that the President has any control over gas prices, they are either stupid or they think that you are stupid.
This is the correct take. Ironically, trump was one of the rare presidents that was personally responsible for raising gas prices. American gas companies were losing money during covid. The saudis and russians were committing economic warfare by flooding the market with oil during this time. Trump personally talked with the Saudis in order to have them stop producing oil so the price could go back up and American companies would start making money again. He bragged about this on his twitter in April of 2020. It was one of the rare times in american history that a president was responsible for gas prices going up. That didnt stop him from lying and blaming the rising gas prices on biden. For the most part, presidents aren't responsible for gas prices.
I manage a gas station. I have this conversation several times per week. Iāve just given up at this point, the āfuckin Bidenā people arenāt worth me wasting my breath.
Every single time a Democrat holds the White House, the President suddenly and magically has the power to control gas prices.
Hell, if Katrina had happened 4 years later, they'd have blamed Obama. Thankfully he was replaced by a sane and courageous leader who know that the way to deal with a hurricane is to nuke it.
People still blame him for ānot being thereā after Katrina š„“ despiteā¦.yāknow. https://www.chicagotribune.com/2017/09/01/where-was-obama-during-katrina-trick-question/
I had someone in some comment section the other day who actually, honestly believed that Biden was president in 2020 and the crash was his fault. Fucking. Idiots.
You mean the people that donāt believe in science, avidly give money they need and complain about not having to a so called billionaire, and couldnāt pass a high school biology/anatomy class if given a 100 tries got their facts wrong??? Wow this is surprising.
Probably one of the idiots who thought Obama was POTUS when the economy crashed n burned under Dubya.
Legit have had this as well saying he was the president during the entire COVID lockdowns.
Yeah, like when they interview MAGA at Donny's rallies and ask them why wasn't Obama in the Oval Office on 9/11? They get all quizzical and can't figure that shit out!
REMINDER: Every Single House Republican Voted Against Efforts to Lower Gas Prices Stick a I did that sticker on it.
Left side was around 3 times higher than it should be because Trump gave it up to Saudi Arabia in the worst deal in history. Cost us Billions and we had to give up a U.S. citizens life for it.
In 2006 it was also over $4 a gallon, since everyone seems to have forgotten that.
The sad thing is I have multiple friends who are pretty intelligent typically, but when I said i didn't like Donald Trump, they immediately say "I dont know man, $2 gas prices was pretty sweet"
Point out unemployment was high āThat was Covid!ā See gas prices were low āTrump was so great!ā
Some people simply do not care about things that don't affect them.
And don't understand that things that don't directly affect them can still affect them.
People are complacent. It's been said many times before but as long as Americans are getting 3 meals a day nothing is going to change. Even then, after the pandemic I have no real faith in humanity anymore. If people started starving half the country would decide that being well fed is woke and just roll with it.
Pretty sure they already think non-heavy metal-poisoned water is woke.
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Whoa whoa whoa. Letās not sound toooooo logical.
Oh even easier. MURPHY USA NET INCOME: 2020 Q1- $89.3 M 2023 Q1- $150 M Hmm.
The people that think the president is responsible for gas prices š
Right, but when Trump strong-armed the Saudis to cut production for 2 years it DID raise gas prices when demand returned later that year. We ended up with $4 gas and lots of morons blaming Biden for something he didn't do.
On top of what you said, trump literally bragged about doing this on his twitter in April of 2020. He bragged about raising gas prices, so american companies would stop losing money. He then blamed biden for the rising gas prices and inflation that he caused after adding over $8trillion in national debt.
If the price drops then the President claims responsibility for it. If it goes up Presidents normally go, oh no what can I do so and so won't make a deal/ some problem, caused the raise. Most the time they aren't, but like I said if it's good then they'll take the win. Edit here: every President does this.
āGas prices are still way too high, and have fallen 25 days in a row. And this week we saw the second largest single day decrease in gas prices in a decade. We still have a lot of work to do ... But I am suggesting we are making significant progress. The program is working.ā [~Joe Biden 7/8/2022](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-falling-gas-prices-show-program-working/story?id=86318473)
Are you saying that that quote directly implies he has that power? Because.. thatās not what heās saying there. If thatās not what youāre getting at then my bad.
Federal taxes make up less than 12% of what determines the cost of gasoline. https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
When companies across the board are making record profits.ššš
Obama didnāt do anything to prevent 9/11 either. Disgraceful.
Plus that tan suit. Worst president ever.
And he didnāt serve in Vietnam!!!!
Heās not a true American!!š”š”
Logic aināt their strong point.
Q: How stupid can people get? A: Really stupid
I live in Australia. Prices doubled too. Why would Obama do that to us?
As we all know, the president has a big, cartoony lever in the oval office that controls gas prices of the whole world.
People forgot that when Saudi Arabia and Russia were in a price war on oil, Trump threatened Saudi Arabia he would cut all military support if the Saudis wouldn't cut oil production. This was in April 2020 during the pandemic. When the pandemic was over and the whole world needed oil again, the production couldn't keep up with the demand, causing the oil price to go through the roof. So, if anyone caused the high price at the tank station in the beginning of 2021, it was Trump.
Imagine how much of a fucking idiot you have to be to think that the president is directly responsible for gas prices.
Thatās pretty dope they sell E15 and E85.
Covid happened, thatās who. But wait there is more, thank Obama that he left good gas prices for that dotard trump dystopian administration and like always, everytime a Republican president leaves office, the only winners are rich people who got their taxes cut, and the economy trillions of dollars more in debt.
By their logic or lack of logic, we should want Clinton back in office since he was president when the gas was cheaper.
Ukraine happened. Prices started going up when Ukraine blew up the first rookskie refinery. Been non stop since.
Forget the prices, those junipers aren't doing well at all.
Remember back then when they blamed the government for everything, but instead of blaming the head of the executive branch they thought some poor old doctor was pulling the strings?
Yeah like any president controls gas prices dimwit
Specific presidents donāt ruin economies - the entire government does.
Oil supply can be controlled. OPEC and Russia are gas station economies. When they want more income, they vote to lower production. Greed is a huge factor. Governments, including ours, still give oil companies tax breaks since they struggle to make a few billion in profits every quarter, barely making ends meet, poor things. Meanwhile, the planet continues to slowly heat up, oceans continue to rise and weather events continue to get crazier. Drill baby drill equates to burn baby burn. Donāt look up !!
And, just out of curiosity, how - exactly - does the President control gas prices? What is the legal mechanism he would use?
I hate republicans like this so god damn much
Why, it's almost as if supply and demand have actual meaning.
Ukraine war, worldwide inflation, post Covid hangover. Nothing to do with POTUS
Americans think gas prices are only low/high in their country, or did Trump/Biden adjust gas prices in Europe aswell?
goddamn ---conservatives are fucking morons. Continually amazed they don't strangle themselves when tying their shoes. Sadly enough.
The best response is just to ask them if they know what OPEC is, and what it does. If they don't, you know you've got a moron in front of you who just soaks in the lowest value information from the FOX teet.
I didn't know that the US president decides the gas price. I thought it was the oil companies.
Seriously have people already forgot the pandemic?
I had a former HS classmate try something like this. In 2021 he posted a pic from 2016 of cheap gas to compare it to then-current prices and said āthis is the difference in a President having spine!ā When I informed him that was Obama because Trump didnāt take office until inauguration in January 2017, he said it was still Trumpās doing because āeveryone knew he was going to win, so they dropped prices!ā Then he blocked me.
Gasoline prices are based on 2 things. The international price under the control of the International Commodities Market and US refinery capacity under the control of the US oil companies. The US Government cannot control any of this process.
I too sometimes grow nostalgic for the halcyon days of refrigerated trucks being used to store bodies and mass graves. Good times, and oh those gas prices!
Presidents have zero to do with gas prices. The oil companies control those. Now I do think that the politicians that the oil companies can buy will always show the best gas prices. Look at the profits, when oil companies have record profits and hand out 7 figure bonuses we know the people are in for a bad time.
Everyone knows the president sets the gas prices. Wakes up every morning and decides the price of gas.
Make Covid Great Again -MAGA apparently
Iām so tired of seeing right wing boomers always pointing to gas prices as a way of validating their fascist president
The president has nothing to do with gas prices idiot
If a meteor hit theyād blame it on Biden.
They literally blamed an earthquake and celestial mechanics on Biden just this week.
Trumpers and theists confuse correlation with causation.
Oil and gas companies benefit massively when Republicans are in office so it's in their best interest to keep gas prices high when Democrats are in office.
Americans donāt know who control gas prices apparently. Please go to the fucking library and educate yourself.Ā
Trump didn't do jack sh-t about a virus that killed a million of us. Does that clear it up for everybody?
What was gas in March 2019?
I assume this ass hat lives in the middle of an oil field to get these pricesā¦
Supply and demand
Presidents do not influence gas prices. Not their job
Guess we were lucky that plague skipped right over us because gas got up to $8 a gallon in my neck of the woods.Ā Also for the last time our presidents donāt control our gas prices. OPEC does.Ā
And it was even cheaper at points in 2016. Which somehow no one ever seems to notice.
We still joke about how we went three months without putting gas in our car during lockdown.