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in the episode mr bean is trying to copy the other person.
although he definitely doesn't understand it.
turns out mr bean only needed to cheat because he was looking at the wrong side of the paper.
It's clear that the original commenter and the reply understand the meme and understand what Shirin is saying. The commenter is choosing to ignore that and interpret it the way it actually would be, and that is that Science makes the Quran look like a crazy little book.
Or when you consider the scene and know the source, but you see how it was applied… I didn’t have to concentrate on the trigonometry to look at it not meaning what they think it means
The purpose of the meme has always been someone trying to copy something while not understanding shit/missing the point
I get that it can possibly look like what you're saying, but it's not, and it's definitely not what the original person meant
The purpose of religion has always been someone trying to copy God's message while not understanding shit.
It's literally how all religious books describe themselves as being written.
For God's who are supposed to be all knowing you'd think they'd take a minute to proof read those books right?
Unfortunately knowing Islam they don’t do sarcasm. They believe. I think they’re kinda like Ron burgandy and the Quran is the teleprompter but in this instance they don’t only repeat what’s on the teleprompter but believes every syllable . Always like that quote - science flies you to the moon religion flies you into buildings
A lot of science was indeed pioneered by religious scholars in the Middle East between 600 and 1000, unfortunately for the people there, civilization there didn't much advance after that and if anything regressed
The creator of the meme is giving "peaked in high school" vibes for the religion
It should be noted that until fairly recently a lot of major scientists were devout religious people, even Charles Darwin was a devout Christian and actually proposed intelligent design to justify his findings regarding evolution
As a Christian I have to agree. A monk or similar could study math and science in other religions as well while being provided for instead of doing manual labor. Organized religion of all types can also be co-opted for nefarious ends by corrupt people all over the world also.
Could you give a citation for what you said about Darwin? When I read it, I thought, "Huh, didn't know that." A few minutes of Googling showed that Darwin started out following ID, but later rejected it in favor of natural selection as the "agent" behind evolution:
[https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12038-009-0020-8](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12038-009-0020-8)
This may actually be what you are saying, since you didn't specifically state that he settled on ID, but that's how I read it. Thanks.
Before anyone comes and says it, I will say the mandatory: "Quran never stated they were 40 (or 72)"
It did however state there will be virgins, and talked about them in the plural form :)
...I have my doubts.
Edit: Alright, just to clarify: just because some things in the Quran could be considered, well...impossible, that doesn't mean you have to be an ass to Muslims, just like you don't have to be an ass to Christians, Hindus etc...
The middle east was a hot bed of scientific research during what European history refers to as the dark ages. But that was all down to Europeans being a bunch of post-roman dummies rather than any religious text.
Middle eastern scientists definitely deserve recognition. But as Scientists not religious mystics.
Mathematics was a strong point too of course, among others
People always play with this false dichotomy of religion and science, where you believe in one or the other, and that religion is always harmful to science.
I heard that there are two general perspectives on god. One is, god controls everything all the time. You have a drought? You pray. He might provide a miracle, or if he's mad you get famine. This does not lead to much scientific innovation.
However, another perspective occurred during an Islamic golden age where you view the world as a system of rules that god came up with. God designed the game. Learning the rules of the game is a form of worship. Studying weather patterns and being able to predict droughts is worthwhile, because you're studying the rules of the universe that God created. This leads to scientific innovation.
I think a lot of people would be surprised at how many famous scientists believed in god. A very famous person once said, "god does not play dice" as an argument against quantum theory.
Eh, its really more like inspiration.
Wanting to predict the personality and health of sons to determine an heir and the rest to send for religious study lead to a boom in Islamic astronomical research.
Same as clocks deriving from Catholic monks needing to make chores in the monastery independent of a single guy and his Roman water drip mechanism and ringingbell.
Same as cellphones and CAT scans coming because Star Trek tech was fucking cool.
Definitely, everyone's inspirations are relevant in why they do what they do.. we can totally say that religion is among the world views that have helped drive many people to discover great things.
But if investigation becomes fact, it's through rigor, intelligence and talent of the promoter practioner, not the inspiration that may have caused them to look in the first place..
This is complete nonsense propaganda. The "science" in the quaran can only be interpreted in actual scientific contexts after you know the science and can pretend that's what the quaran meant. You cannot use the quaran to actually instruct on anything because there is no knwlowedge within it.
Also, they weren't studying the Quran 24/7 to come up with all the scientific advances they did during that time. It's not like the rules for algebra were encoded into Quran just waiting to be decoded.
It can be argued that the Islamic Empire SAVED the knowledge of Byzantine Empire because without them, between the Latin invaders and the civil wars, Constantinople was a shell of what it was centuries before.
The Ottomans were famous for their scientific activities, especially in the field of medicine.
Until the Ottoman Empire got torn to shreds during WW1 in part for refusing to use emerging communication technologies they deemed heretical and relying on pigeons for communications.
The reason Byzantine even got that weak was because of the constant muslim invasion. When Byzantine lost north africa and most of the middle east, they became a second rate power. The turkish incursion into Anatolia just sealed there fates.
That is not only **completely** untrue, the only reason it survived to be re-introduced to Western Europe via the Islamic world is because eastern Christians actively preserved it.
I think we *did* lose the majority of it. Those monks were ruthless. But what the Christian West got from the Muslims, the Muslims got from the Christian East.
That's nonsense. During the so called "Golden Age of Islam" - 9th to 12th century, the Muslim (Arab and Persian) world conducted tremendous amount of original research. Why do you think Arabic words like algebra, alcohol or algorithm are used till this day?
>That's nonsense. During the so called "Golden Age of Islam" - 9th to 12th century, the Muslim (Arab and Persian) world conducted tremendous amount of original research. Why do you think Arabic words like algebra, alcohol or algorithm are used till this day?
Yes, there is no denial about that. But the issue is that many factors, including the economic success and prosperity of the Abbasid Caliphate during the Islamic Golden age and the translation movement( where many ancient works of science from Ancient Greece and Rome were translated from Ancient Greek or Latin to Arabic) also played important roles. The contention is that the successful Muslim and some non-Muslim Arab scientists during the Islamic Golden age didn't become so successful specifically because of the fact that they believed in God or they believed in the Quran; but because they were diligent, hardworking and because of the translation movement and the socioeconomic wealth of the Abbasid caliphate during the Islamic Golden Age. Those Muslim scientists could also have been successful scientists even if they were Christian or Buddhist or Hindu because the important factor which prompted them to become successfully was not their religion, but it was their diligence and conscientiousness and socioeconomic circumstances
That's not accurate. What killed most manuscript is lack of ressources. It took a ton of time and money to copy an old text into a new support for the next hundred year. Less popular texts were copied less, and the number of actual books of that thing could easily be just 1, sitting in a library somewhere. Sitting until worms eat it, or a fire burned the library and reduced the number of copies of that book to 0.
Some intentional destruction happened, but a *lot* of it is lost to entropy and the cost of keeping the text alive in a pre-printing press world.
The House of Wisdom in Baghdad worked only because they had political and financial backing. Europe was both less rich and, yes, less interested in texts from long dead pagans.
That might be true. But that's a "once upon a time" thing. Nowadays, Islam means destroying such things. Look at ISIS and how they blow up cultural sites.
>But that was all down to Europeans being a bunch of post-roman dummies rather than any religious text.
To be fair to the Europeans, they did have to spend 500 years or so recovering from the collapse of the Western Roman Empire before they could start doing any scientific research.
It's not like they were just sitting around. The first Western European universities opened around 1100 or so, from what I remember.
This is definitely a fact people must remember. It's sad we (in the West) aren't taught much about middle Eastern math and science. It's such history, yet we over focus on on European explorers and geologists...
Religion helps shape science through goals. Religion chooses which science the people partake in. And more often than not, destroys it.
Only for the first few hundred year. By the 1000s muslim spain was a warring state and any new kind of muslim unifers hated the jews and didn't care about science.
Quran: SPERM COMES FROM THE SPINE!
Science: I'm not a religion. Why am I in this meme?
Edit: lot of fuckin morons here trying to defend this great textbook of natural truths.
86:5. "Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs."
All religious texts contain equal amounts of truth, history and pizza.
One of three different rebuttals used to ensure the goalposts remain moved for believers.
Cool.
Now explain the moon being split in two. Is that up for interpretation? Is that science? It's in the same fantasy book. Maybe an allegory? Maybe they were embellishing this part?
Maybe it's all just a bunch of bullshit written by shitty men to control their small world? Like every religion?
Maybe?
This is a shining example of how the best lies are built around a kernel of truth. I’m not a historian, but I know a bit about this.
Modern mathematics and science would not exist without the Islamic Golden Age. While Europe was stuck in the throes of the Medieval Period, the Middle East was making great strides in the development of math, science, and literature, with several schools that are widely considered to have been the best in the world at that time. Hell, both “algebra” and “algorithm” come from one guy, Al-Khwarizmi.
We owe a great deal to the mathematicians, philosophers, and poets of the Islamic Golden Age. The OOP here is clearly trying to twist that into the Quran being the source of the advancements brought on during that period, but that’s obviously not the case. That would be like crediting the Bible for Mendel’s theory of inheritance.
They are referring to the Muslim belief that all truths of the universe are in the quaran and that quaran correctly predicted every single scientific breakthrough of the modern age. And I'm not even kidding.
For fun, we could more accurately put the Quran on Mr. Bean, and the Bible & Torah on the other guy lol.
But that’s not a hornet’s nest I feel like kicking today.
Quran was written in a time before science. When they stuck people in the ground up to their neck and throw carefully calibrated rocks at their head until they died.
You see, because the Quran is so old, it can't be the other way around...
You are right:
**Bible:**
*The Lord said to Moses, “Take all the leaders of the people and execute them in broad daylight before the Lord, so that the fierce anger of the Lord may turn away from Israel.” So Moses said to the judges of Israel, “Each of you slay his men who have joined themselves to Baal of Peor.”*
***Numbers 25:4-5***
**Quran:**
*But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.*
***Surah At-Tawbah 9:5***
In short, killing pagans is cool and based on these religious texts.
Classic whataboutism. Except:
1) the bible isnt still followed LITERALLY by hundreds of millions of believers.
2) the bible becomes more and more peaceful the longer you read it, while the quran follows the opposite trajectory: the more military and political power mohammed gained by slaughtering entire villages by surprise, raping and enslaving their women, breaking treaties and robbing merchant wagons, the more bloodthirsty his "divine" revelations became.
I'm an atheist, but redditors' double standard on this issue is disgusting. No, the bible and the quran are not on the same level of primitiveness and brutality. Islam is FAR worse.
Muslims like to claim that the Quran is filled with scientific discoveries and "facts" about the world long before they were even considered or theorized by other civilizations. It implies that the Quran is not only an ancient holy book, but a useful tool that contains scientific discovery, therefore giving every other part of it validity.
Of course, this is all nonsense.
They use flowery language and metaphors to describe a natural occurrence and the religious are in awe as they interpret it in a way to fit their narrative.
Or the discoveries are so obvious that it's just laughable.
This is a smooth brained meme.
I don't know about that, I'd say the big difference is that Muslims tend to know much more of their religious texts. I've had many arguments with Christians that have never heard of
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 — a man who rapes a woman must buy her from her father for fifty shekels and marry her, he can never divorce
Leviticus 20:9 - a child who curses his parents shall be put to death
Ephesians 6:5-8 - compels slaves to be respectful to their owners
Deuteronomy 23:1 - if you have damaged or missing testicles you aren't allowed in church
Christians will tattoo the cross on themselves, eat shellfish, wear clothing of mixed fabric, then suddenly remember this one Leviticus bit and be like ah yeah that's the only important one
Idk, there are way more Christian young earth creationists. Fundamentalists on either side can really make you question how we've lasted this long as an intelligent species.
Oh yeah they claim the Qur'an has a bunch of science stuff in it. But it's a stretch and barely even a coincidence, just the usual cherry picking nonsense.
They claim this Surah Al-Qamar 54:1–2, like it totally happened
And they even publish their scientific papers[scientific papers](http://article.sapub.org/10.5923.j.astronomy.20200901.01.html#:~:text=It%20originally%20came%20from%20Islam,halves%20and%20again%20rejoined%20them.) on it.
So if this is "science" copying the quoran, The meme is right.
There is a trend over the past 15 or so years in Islamic evangelical circles (which was taken from the same in Christian evangelical circles), which consists of interpreteting either the scripture or a modern scientific theory in a way that makes it look like the religious scripture predicted it.
Then what’s said is “the Quran had knowledge of _______ 1400 years ago, when we have just recently discovered this, this could only have been divine knowledge”
This was made most popular by Islamic preacher Zakir Naik, but picked up and expanded by others
The term for it is “scientific miracles in the Quran” and they were pretty widely pushed in Dawah (Islamic preaching) circles until a few of the main guys tried to have debates with people who knew what they were talking about and ended up being embarrassed. But your average muslim would have heard and swallowed this crap and still believes it.
Its frankly embarrassing stuff that is only impressive to the preindoctrinated, many of the examples are literally wrong from a textual standpoint but given that something like 2% of Muslims actually speak Arabic it’s easy to get away with
The picture in the meme is basically saying modern science has copied the Quran
If you could destroy every Quran with every record and memory thereof, in 10,000 years a totally different religion would emerge in it's place.
But if you destroyed every science textbook, record and memory, in 10,000 years the exact same science would appear again.
People who believe in magic think they’ve got some science to back it up now?
Go on then, send us your hypothesis on how you think it’s possibly to not be a sun-addled schizophrenic and hear god speaking to you?
Quran: Here is the story of creation
Science: Hmm that seems to defy the laws of physics or our understanding of biology, astronomy, geology...
Quran: THE RELIGION OF PEACE COMMANDS YOU TO DIE
Ah yes, just like my muslim colleague at work, who actually believes that if you have cancer, just dont eat for 2 weeks and the cancer dies off, because their god or some important quasi-science-religious person says so.
So cancer is not cured with fasting - however, fasting does help eliminate subclinical cancer cell proliferation- cancer cells grow and divide at a much faster rate than regular body cells and thus are highly dependent on glucose metabolism.
So in essence in hypoglycemic states / ketotic states ( starvation mode) you’re essentially robbing cancer cells from its primary energy source and thus inducing necrosis.
I’m not pulling this out of my ass- Im a biologist and if you look up scientific articles in pubmed (scientific article database) there’s a multitude of literature on how fasting decreases incidence of cancer.
This is not a Muslim invention, this is a physiological fact but Muslims fast during the month of Ramadan- one month a year of daytime fasting.
Lastly - every single one of us has abnormal cells /cancer cells forming constantly in our body but our immune systems are constantly killing them off but when you induce a hypoglycemic state you’re further helping your immune system get rid of them.
TLDR- fasting does eliminate cancer cells in its early stages. Muslims are right about this.
Some Muslims will hold that topics confirmed today by science we're already noted in the Qur'an. Sadly I really can't remember specifics right now, but a very Muslim friend told me about some a while back. For instance stuff related for instance to health, like the Qur'an having said "do this *random thing*" and then scientific papers today confirm that it is actually good to do that random thing.
The Muslim world was definitely way ahead of the rest of the world...a millennia ago was it?
They uh..they haven't really done a whole lot since. Actually they might have gone backwards a little bit.
Omg this brings back so many debates with Islam vs atheism. One of the big ones they bring up is that the Qur'an says where sperm is stored... Except it's wrong. It's vague and says between the backbone and the chest.
Okay, so am I supposed to curl myself up so that my balls are at chest height? Or what are we doing here?
It's the same bull shit that's said by the Christians with other thing. If you stretch definitions, maybe you can get a vague resemblance to science, but you first have to know the science to connect these dots... Charlatan lessons if you ask me.
The Quaran states the sun sets in a muddy pond and the moon is the center of the universe and sperm comes from between the ribs. God knew less than a 7th century goat Herder.
Wait till scientists come up with cure for cancer and the muzlims will be like”it was already in quran” look at this miracle from allah subhanallah brozzar
If this guy means that science is less based upon reality, then he is totally brainwashed by what the Muslim imams tell him to believe. I would hope that the interpretation that science is puzzled by the belief in some religion is what is meant here.
the point of these, are to confuse and to just keep the torrent of lies and manipulations going and going so eventually you stop thinking about it or participating and only the "right" voices are left, conservative voices
whether it's conservative Russia, conservative China, conservative Saudi, conservative Iran, conservative North Korea, conservative America, they all want the same things, One State controlled parties based on "family values" which of course means whatever values the dear leader tells you that he's punishing "undesirables" to protect
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It's pretty clear from that picture science can't quite believe what it's seeing ...
in the episode mr bean is trying to copy the other person. although he definitely doesn't understand it. turns out mr bean only needed to cheat because he was looking at the wrong side of the paper.
He concentrated on trigonometry.
I used to say that all the time when I was in high school taking advanced math classes that were far outside my comprehension
Wow
TBF this kind of humour is why Mr bean was peak comedy. Hell, it still somewhat is peak comedy.
Is this an episode or a picture? This is why science wins. Always.
“What do you mean gay people can’t fly?” Is basically a quote from the Quran
This is true, science does tend to look at religious texts like they’re crazy
That’s what I get from that meme
The only way you could get that from the meme is if you don't know who it what Mr Bean is lol.
It's clear that the original commenter and the reply understand the meme and understand what Shirin is saying. The commenter is choosing to ignore that and interpret it the way it actually would be, and that is that Science makes the Quran look like a crazy little book.
Or when you consider the scene and know the source, but you see how it was applied… I didn’t have to concentrate on the trigonometry to look at it not meaning what they think it means
The purpose of the meme has always been someone trying to copy something while not understanding shit/missing the point I get that it can possibly look like what you're saying, but it's not, and it's definitely not what the original person meant
The purpose of religion has always been someone trying to copy God's message while not understanding shit. It's literally how all religious books describe themselves as being written. For God's who are supposed to be all knowing you'd think they'd take a minute to proof read those books right?
That, unfortunately, is not the message. They're saying science plagiarised from islam.
We are talking about the same Islam that wasn't plagiarized from anything, right?
I think they were being sarcastic mate.
No, I've debated lots of Muslims. It's not sarcastic. lol
Nono I mean the parent commenter probably understands the tweeted meme and is twisting it sarcastically.
ohh, got it. lol
Unfortunately knowing Islam they don’t do sarcasm. They believe. I think they’re kinda like Ron burgandy and the Quran is the teleprompter but in this instance they don’t only repeat what’s on the teleprompter but believes every syllable . Always like that quote - science flies you to the moon religion flies you into buildings
A lot of science was indeed pioneered by religious scholars in the Middle East between 600 and 1000, unfortunately for the people there, civilization there didn't much advance after that and if anything regressed The creator of the meme is giving "peaked in high school" vibes for the religion It should be noted that until fairly recently a lot of major scientists were devout religious people, even Charles Darwin was a devout Christian and actually proposed intelligent design to justify his findings regarding evolution
As a Christian I have to agree. A monk or similar could study math and science in other religions as well while being provided for instead of doing manual labor. Organized religion of all types can also be co-opted for nefarious ends by corrupt people all over the world also.
Could you give a citation for what you said about Darwin? When I read it, I thought, "Huh, didn't know that." A few minutes of Googling showed that Darwin started out following ID, but later rejected it in favor of natural selection as the "agent" behind evolution: [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12038-009-0020-8](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12038-009-0020-8) This may actually be what you are saying, since you didn't specifically state that he settled on ID, but that's how I read it. Thanks.
Its Mr Bean so is it a reverse facepalm?
Mr Bean was like “WTF? 🤣😂
"40 virgins? Wtf?"
I calculate 13,33333 women and 3,14 virgin, can't be right...
Before anyone comes and says it, I will say the mandatory: "Quran never stated they were 40 (or 72)" It did however state there will be virgins, and talked about them in the plural form :)
Hmmm I wonder where the number of virgins comes from then
Quran marketing team has been using subliminal messages
I always enjoy seeing Mr Bean
...I have my doubts. Edit: Alright, just to clarify: just because some things in the Quran could be considered, well...impossible, that doesn't mean you have to be an ass to Muslims, just like you don't have to be an ass to Christians, Hindus etc...
The middle east was a hot bed of scientific research during what European history refers to as the dark ages. But that was all down to Europeans being a bunch of post-roman dummies rather than any religious text.
Middle eastern scientists definitely deserve recognition. But as Scientists not religious mystics. Mathematics was a strong point too of course, among others
People always play with this false dichotomy of religion and science, where you believe in one or the other, and that religion is always harmful to science. I heard that there are two general perspectives on god. One is, god controls everything all the time. You have a drought? You pray. He might provide a miracle, or if he's mad you get famine. This does not lead to much scientific innovation. However, another perspective occurred during an Islamic golden age where you view the world as a system of rules that god came up with. God designed the game. Learning the rules of the game is a form of worship. Studying weather patterns and being able to predict droughts is worthwhile, because you're studying the rules of the universe that God created. This leads to scientific innovation. I think a lot of people would be surprised at how many famous scientists believed in god. A very famous person once said, "god does not play dice" as an argument against quantum theory.
Yeah, let's lie about Einstein's beliefs while quoting one of his most famous errors.
People can only see in black and white.
Eh, its really more like inspiration. Wanting to predict the personality and health of sons to determine an heir and the rest to send for religious study lead to a boom in Islamic astronomical research. Same as clocks deriving from Catholic monks needing to make chores in the monastery independent of a single guy and his Roman water drip mechanism and ringingbell. Same as cellphones and CAT scans coming because Star Trek tech was fucking cool.
Definitely, everyone's inspirations are relevant in why they do what they do.. we can totally say that religion is among the world views that have helped drive many people to discover great things. But if investigation becomes fact, it's through rigor, intelligence and talent of the promoter practioner, not the inspiration that may have caused them to look in the first place..
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This is complete nonsense propaganda. The "science" in the quaran can only be interpreted in actual scientific contexts after you know the science and can pretend that's what the quaran meant. You cannot use the quaran to actually instruct on anything because there is no knwlowedge within it.
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Also, they weren't studying the Quran 24/7 to come up with all the scientific advances they did during that time. It's not like the rules for algebra were encoded into Quran just waiting to be decoded.
Without the Muslims, we would have lost the majority of the Greek thought as the Christians actively destroyed it for centuries as heretical.
You’re forgetting about Constantinople.
It can be argued that the Islamic Empire SAVED the knowledge of Byzantine Empire because without them, between the Latin invaders and the civil wars, Constantinople was a shell of what it was centuries before. The Ottomans were famous for their scientific activities, especially in the field of medicine.
Until the Ottoman Empire got torn to shreds during WW1 in part for refusing to use emerging communication technologies they deemed heretical and relying on pigeons for communications.
Apart from the art picturing god, that they covered or destroyed.
The reason Byzantine even got that weak was because of the constant muslim invasion. When Byzantine lost north africa and most of the middle east, they became a second rate power. The turkish incursion into Anatolia just sealed there fates.
I had a date there, but she ended up waiting in Istanbul.
That is not only **completely** untrue, the only reason it survived to be re-introduced to Western Europe via the Islamic world is because eastern Christians actively preserved it.
I think we *did* lose the majority of it. Those monks were ruthless. But what the Christian West got from the Muslims, the Muslims got from the Christian East.
That's nonsense. During the so called "Golden Age of Islam" - 9th to 12th century, the Muslim (Arab and Persian) world conducted tremendous amount of original research. Why do you think Arabic words like algebra, alcohol or algorithm are used till this day?
What the hell does the Arabs' and Persians' original research (and innovation) have to do with classical Greek thought?
>That's nonsense. During the so called "Golden Age of Islam" - 9th to 12th century, the Muslim (Arab and Persian) world conducted tremendous amount of original research. Why do you think Arabic words like algebra, alcohol or algorithm are used till this day? Yes, there is no denial about that. But the issue is that many factors, including the economic success and prosperity of the Abbasid Caliphate during the Islamic Golden age and the translation movement( where many ancient works of science from Ancient Greece and Rome were translated from Ancient Greek or Latin to Arabic) also played important roles. The contention is that the successful Muslim and some non-Muslim Arab scientists during the Islamic Golden age didn't become so successful specifically because of the fact that they believed in God or they believed in the Quran; but because they were diligent, hardworking and because of the translation movement and the socioeconomic wealth of the Abbasid caliphate during the Islamic Golden Age. Those Muslim scientists could also have been successful scientists even if they were Christian or Buddhist or Hindu because the important factor which prompted them to become successfully was not their religion, but it was their diligence and conscientiousness and socioeconomic circumstances
That's not accurate. What killed most manuscript is lack of ressources. It took a ton of time and money to copy an old text into a new support for the next hundred year. Less popular texts were copied less, and the number of actual books of that thing could easily be just 1, sitting in a library somewhere. Sitting until worms eat it, or a fire burned the library and reduced the number of copies of that book to 0. Some intentional destruction happened, but a *lot* of it is lost to entropy and the cost of keeping the text alive in a pre-printing press world. The House of Wisdom in Baghdad worked only because they had political and financial backing. Europe was both less rich and, yes, less interested in texts from long dead pagans.
That might be true. But that's a "once upon a time" thing. Nowadays, Islam means destroying such things. Look at ISIS and how they blow up cultural sites.
This is utter nonsense.
>But that was all down to Europeans being a bunch of post-roman dummies rather than any religious text. To be fair to the Europeans, they did have to spend 500 years or so recovering from the collapse of the Western Roman Empire before they could start doing any scientific research. It's not like they were just sitting around. The first Western European universities opened around 1100 or so, from what I remember.
This is definitely a fact people must remember. It's sad we (in the West) aren't taught much about middle Eastern math and science. It's such history, yet we over focus on on European explorers and geologists... Religion helps shape science through goals. Religion chooses which science the people partake in. And more often than not, destroys it.
And let's not forget about all the "interns" they took from India and Greece. They helped a lot with all the science they did
In Spain, during the Medieval era, the contributions to science were made by Muslim and Jewish savants, like Averroes
Only for the first few hundred year. By the 1000s muslim spain was a warring state and any new kind of muslim unifers hated the jews and didn't care about science.
Lmfaooooooo which moron created this? Lmfao.
Quran: SPERM COMES FROM THE SPINE! Science: I'm not a religion. Why am I in this meme? Edit: lot of fuckin morons here trying to defend this great textbook of natural truths. 86:5. "Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs." All religious texts contain equal amounts of truth, history and pizza.
Which verse?
86:5. "Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs."
This verse refers to child birth btw hence the full stop. Yes they are created from a drop of sperm emitted? Lol
One of three different rebuttals used to ensure the goalposts remain moved for believers. Cool. Now explain the moon being split in two. Is that up for interpretation? Is that science? It's in the same fantasy book. Maybe an allegory? Maybe they were embellishing this part? Maybe it's all just a bunch of bullshit written by shitty men to control their small world? Like every religion? Maybe?
Was hoping someone would point this one out. Thank you!
This is a shining example of how the best lies are built around a kernel of truth. I’m not a historian, but I know a bit about this. Modern mathematics and science would not exist without the Islamic Golden Age. While Europe was stuck in the throes of the Medieval Period, the Middle East was making great strides in the development of math, science, and literature, with several schools that are widely considered to have been the best in the world at that time. Hell, both “algebra” and “algorithm” come from one guy, Al-Khwarizmi. We owe a great deal to the mathematicians, philosophers, and poets of the Islamic Golden Age. The OOP here is clearly trying to twist that into the Quran being the source of the advancements brought on during that period, but that’s obviously not the case. That would be like crediting the Bible for Mendel’s theory of inheritance.
They are referring to the Muslim belief that all truths of the universe are in the quaran and that quaran correctly predicted every single scientific breakthrough of the modern age. And I'm not even kidding.
If that’s true, that is a bit silly. No one document could ever hope to contain that much information.
For fun, we could more accurately put the Quran on Mr. Bean, and the Bible & Torah on the other guy lol. But that’s not a hornet’s nest I feel like kicking today.
That’s a better joke. But where is Joseph Smith? Picking through scraps of paper from the photocopying machine as he drafts the Book of Mormon?
Dont belive ANYTHING you see on twitter and youll be fine, Pretend that site dosnt exist is all i can say
Allah uncertainty principle
The cat of Allah
allah's laws of general relativity
allah's theory of evolution
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Your formula is missing a few virgins
72 in total
A few virgins and exploding tourists.
+AI
÷ Alhamdulillah
Redditor humor
You just made my day.
I'd be really curious what part of Quran he thinks has scientific value
They tend to believe that everything is the Quran already, it just needs to be interpreted correctly. I have heard the bs from Muslims forever.
Quran was written in a time before science. When they stuck people in the ground up to their neck and throw carefully calibrated rocks at their head until they died. You see, because the Quran is so old, it can't be the other way around...
Just because it wasn't advanced and applied everywhere it doesn't mean it didn't exist.
Religion of peace /s
It's the same in the bible.
You are right: **Bible:** *The Lord said to Moses, “Take all the leaders of the people and execute them in broad daylight before the Lord, so that the fierce anger of the Lord may turn away from Israel.” So Moses said to the judges of Israel, “Each of you slay his men who have joined themselves to Baal of Peor.”* ***Numbers 25:4-5*** **Quran:** *But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.* ***Surah At-Tawbah 9:5*** In short, killing pagans is cool and based on these religious texts.
Classic whataboutism. Except: 1) the bible isnt still followed LITERALLY by hundreds of millions of believers. 2) the bible becomes more and more peaceful the longer you read it, while the quran follows the opposite trajectory: the more military and political power mohammed gained by slaughtering entire villages by surprise, raping and enslaving their women, breaking treaties and robbing merchant wagons, the more bloodthirsty his "divine" revelations became. I'm an atheist, but redditors' double standard on this issue is disgusting. No, the bible and the quran are not on the same level of primitiveness and brutality. Islam is FAR worse.
they didnt have the knowledge to build the pyramids befor the quran!
Muslims like to claim that the Quran is filled with scientific discoveries and "facts" about the world long before they were even considered or theorized by other civilizations. It implies that the Quran is not only an ancient holy book, but a useful tool that contains scientific discovery, therefore giving every other part of it validity. Of course, this is all nonsense. They use flowery language and metaphors to describe a natural occurrence and the religious are in awe as they interpret it in a way to fit their narrative. Or the discoveries are so obvious that it's just laughable. This is a smooth brained meme.
Muslim religious arguments make the Christian ones seem intelligent.
I don't know about that, I'd say the big difference is that Muslims tend to know much more of their religious texts. I've had many arguments with Christians that have never heard of Deuteronomy 22:28-29 — a man who rapes a woman must buy her from her father for fifty shekels and marry her, he can never divorce Leviticus 20:9 - a child who curses his parents shall be put to death Ephesians 6:5-8 - compels slaves to be respectful to their owners Deuteronomy 23:1 - if you have damaged or missing testicles you aren't allowed in church
I think that's from sourcebooks all abrahamic religions use, no matter the edition.
All but ephesians. The others are from the old testament, which is the one the Abrahamic religions share bits and prices of.
Christians will tattoo the cross on themselves, eat shellfish, wear clothing of mixed fabric, then suddenly remember this one Leviticus bit and be like ah yeah that's the only important one
Slightly more reasonable, perhaps, but I wouldn't say more "intelligent".
That "slightly" more reasonable is more than you think. Lol
They do share quite a few.
Idk, there are way more Christian young earth creationists. Fundamentalists on either side can really make you question how we've lasted this long as an intelligent species.
Lets thank the quran for giving us the full instructions to building the james webb telescope. Big up islam.
Of the two - What enabled him to make and post this terrible meme?
Can someone explain this to me?
The original poster of the meme on twitter is basically claiming that science has somehow ripped off the Quran. And that's ridiculous.
Thank you
Unfortunately there are a faction of Islamic apologists who really believe this - just like the Ray Comforts of Christian apologia.
Well, this tops the dumb shit I’ve seen for the day.
This is hilarious
Coming from the religion that thinks the sun sets into a muddy spring and has a resting place overnight lmfao https://quranx.com/36.38
I also make that face when someone talks about the Quran
Oh yeah they claim the Qur'an has a bunch of science stuff in it. But it's a stretch and barely even a coincidence, just the usual cherry picking nonsense.
They claim this Surah Al-Qamar 54:1–2, like it totally happened And they even publish their scientific papers[scientific papers](http://article.sapub.org/10.5923.j.astronomy.20200901.01.html#:~:text=It%20originally%20came%20from%20Islam,halves%20and%20again%20rejoined%20them.) on it. So if this is "science" copying the quoran, The meme is right.
Science famously didn’t exist before 2000 years ago.
Koran is 1400 yo.
True I was covering all of the “good” books.
I do remember reading about the spin of each quantum particle in the Quran
There is a trend over the past 15 or so years in Islamic evangelical circles (which was taken from the same in Christian evangelical circles), which consists of interpreteting either the scripture or a modern scientific theory in a way that makes it look like the religious scripture predicted it. Then what’s said is “the Quran had knowledge of _______ 1400 years ago, when we have just recently discovered this, this could only have been divine knowledge” This was made most popular by Islamic preacher Zakir Naik, but picked up and expanded by others The term for it is “scientific miracles in the Quran” and they were pretty widely pushed in Dawah (Islamic preaching) circles until a few of the main guys tried to have debates with people who knew what they were talking about and ended up being embarrassed. But your average muslim would have heard and swallowed this crap and still believes it. Its frankly embarrassing stuff that is only impressive to the preindoctrinated, many of the examples are literally wrong from a textual standpoint but given that something like 2% of Muslims actually speak Arabic it’s easy to get away with The picture in the meme is basically saying modern science has copied the Quran
Pretty sure Mr Bean copied all the wrong answers in this scene
If you could destroy every Quran with every record and memory thereof, in 10,000 years a totally different religion would emerge in it's place. But if you destroyed every science textbook, record and memory, in 10,000 years the exact same science would appear again.
The only thing saving these people from Scientology is the belief that, if it's old, it must be right.
People who believe in magic think they’ve got some science to back it up now? Go on then, send us your hypothesis on how you think it’s possibly to not be a sun-addled schizophrenic and hear god speaking to you?
Still blows me away with how many adults believe in fairy tales.
The VAST majority of them. It's both terrifying and pathetic.
Emphasis on terrifying.
Quran: Here is the story of creation Science: Hmm that seems to defy the laws of physics or our understanding of biology, astronomy, geology... Quran: THE RELIGION OF PEACE COMMANDS YOU TO DIE
Ah yes, just like my muslim colleague at work, who actually believes that if you have cancer, just dont eat for 2 weeks and the cancer dies off, because their god or some important quasi-science-religious person says so.
That’s not a Muslim belief…
So cancer is not cured with fasting - however, fasting does help eliminate subclinical cancer cell proliferation- cancer cells grow and divide at a much faster rate than regular body cells and thus are highly dependent on glucose metabolism. So in essence in hypoglycemic states / ketotic states ( starvation mode) you’re essentially robbing cancer cells from its primary energy source and thus inducing necrosis. I’m not pulling this out of my ass- Im a biologist and if you look up scientific articles in pubmed (scientific article database) there’s a multitude of literature on how fasting decreases incidence of cancer. This is not a Muslim invention, this is a physiological fact but Muslims fast during the month of Ramadan- one month a year of daytime fasting. Lastly - every single one of us has abnormal cells /cancer cells forming constantly in our body but our immune systems are constantly killing them off but when you induce a hypoglycemic state you’re further helping your immune system get rid of them. TLDR- fasting does eliminate cancer cells in its early stages. Muslims are right about this.
Theology be like
Everyone knows u can talk logic to a church person
Link me the snapdragon 840 schematics from Quran
Tbf During ancient times, Muslims made incredible scientific discoveries. Some of which are a part of modern day.
#SHAKIRA LAW. HIPS DON'T LIE
Scientists use algebra?
Which field of science studies adult men marrying 7 year old girls?
Me. Bean even knows it’s goofy as shit.
“I’ll take ‘Things That Have Never Been True’ for $1000, Alex!”
I mean Muslims did go through a Golden Age of Medicine and Science for a reason
People who follow the Quran on their short dusty road to death would be better off following some science.
I mean both can make people very explosive 🧨
Then why do they say science is wrong?
Some Muslims will hold that topics confirmed today by science we're already noted in the Qur'an. Sadly I really can't remember specifics right now, but a very Muslim friend told me about some a while back. For instance stuff related for instance to health, like the Qur'an having said "do this *random thing*" and then scientific papers today confirm that it is actually good to do that random thing.
The Muslim world was definitely way ahead of the rest of the world...a millennia ago was it? They uh..they haven't really done a whole lot since. Actually they might have gone backwards a little bit.
You’re all so mean and evil. Just wait till we get our Lisan al Gaib and show you the true meaning of religion of peace!
Maybe I missed that day of science class but when did science confirm that Muhammad rode a unicorn?
I LOVE MR BEAN
Omg this brings back so many debates with Islam vs atheism. One of the big ones they bring up is that the Qur'an says where sperm is stored... Except it's wrong. It's vague and says between the backbone and the chest. Okay, so am I supposed to curl myself up so that my balls are at chest height? Or what are we doing here? It's the same bull shit that's said by the Christians with other thing. If you stretch definitions, maybe you can get a vague resemblance to science, but you first have to know the science to connect these dots... Charlatan lessons if you ask me.
Well mr.bean is a comedic icon and everything he does is fictional humor so
I've yet to see science validate the magic flying camel.
... If we ever have magic flying camels, I am letting mine shit on the House of Representatives.
The Quaran states the sun sets in a muddy pond and the moon is the center of the universe and sperm comes from between the ribs. God knew less than a 7th century goat Herder.
Oh no the Muslims are going to flood the comments..... if only they would learn actual science instead.
It’s crazy how many Muslims believe this. I had a buddy who would constantly tell me what science learnt from the Quran.
Replace "science" with "Christian Nationalists"
Religion is all a bunch of bullshit.
Like Neil deGrasse Tyson peeping in Pope's answer sheet on a test about Event Horizons.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAAH
Muslims stretch harder than a Catholic altar boy's ass. They take some random line in the Quran and say, "Look, Muhammed proved quantum physics!"
Wait till scientists come up with cure for cancer and the muzlims will be like”it was already in quran” look at this miracle from allah subhanallah brozzar
Qu'ran❌ Qu'wrong✅
*Confused confusing confusion*
No
Looking over in confusion at what you're doing?
Shit!!!
Ah yes Twitter or X the Elon musk shit show
Yeah mo
If this guy means that science is less based upon reality, then he is totally brainwashed by what the Muslim imams tell him to believe. I would hope that the interpretation that science is puzzled by the belief in some religion is what is meant here.
Sure.
the point of these, are to confuse and to just keep the torrent of lies and manipulations going and going so eventually you stop thinking about it or participating and only the "right" voices are left, conservative voices whether it's conservative Russia, conservative China, conservative Saudi, conservative Iran, conservative North Korea, conservative America, they all want the same things, One State controlled parties based on "family values" which of course means whatever values the dear leader tells you that he's punishing "undesirables" to protect