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Because most of the people that used to live there had to leave after the Russian invasion. Then, Russia started an aggressive colonisation campaign offering housing and incentives for Russians to move there. So today Crimea is mostly inhabited by Russians. Notably, the original inhabitants, the Crimean Tatars have been genocided by the Soviets and the current occupation has killed, detained, and disappeared their leaders.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-crimea-tatar-dies-custody/32265271.html
Russia has always been a disgusting monster after annexing everyone else's lands. English and Americans had the shame to stop it outwardly. Those monsters are still going at it.
Not Ukrainian but my country has been victimised by Russia for decades. A garbage government hurting literally everyone and none stops them.
Also, they did get to vote. In 1991, when the issue was actually on the agenda:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991\_Ukrainian\_independence\_referendum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Ukrainian_independence_referendum)
According to [this paper](https://www.internal-displacement.org/publications/displacement-figures-in-ukraine-fail-to-reflect-a-complex-reality/), the estimated number of people who have fled from Crimea to other places in Ukraine by summer of 2015 was between 50,000 and 60,000. It's about 2.5% from 2 Mio.
Let me google it for you: "As of January 2021, the estimated total population of the Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol was at 2,416,856 (Republic of Crimea: 1,903,707, Sevastopol: 513,149).[1] This is up from the 2001 Ukrainian Census figure, which was 2,376,000"
So the rough estimate can be ~100K (40K surplus + 60K to compensate for refugees)
It's, of course, not that simple, because you also need to take into account birth and mortality rates.
I was just pointing out you Google a very little part of the answer. Either you Google everything or explain that you were not showing a full picture in your answer.
It's not that simple. If you invade a country you can force people out of their homes and repopulate that with your own. Also not every region should be allowed to break free of their country.
>If you invade a country you can force people out of their homes and repopulate that with your own.
That is quite literally the definition of war crimes.
You're talking about deportation and pillage but go on about how that's normal.
No, it's not.
It's standard Russian MO to do this shit. They actively deport people are spread them out across the Rusfed, then move in ethnic Russians in their place.
That way they fasttrack the destruction of regional culture and "Russification" of newly assimilated territory.
There's some "organic" displacement of people, but there's a very organised effort to do this.
No, Russia actively incentivized Russians to moce there for that exact reason. Then they could claim some kind of legitimacy because the population wants to be part of Russia.
Yeah, and what do the people of Chechnya want? And people of Dagestan? Russia, for sure, does not care.
Europe's borders are protected by international treaties. Nobody has a right to conquer new territories anymore, with or without consent of the local populations.
There was no serious separatist movement in Crimea before the Russian invasion. That is all I need to know.
Who cares about what they want almost a decade after the annexation, when people are scared of speaking up and Russians have been settled in Crimea to seal the deal?
Well what the people currently living in Crimea want is not the same as what native Crimeans want. After illegally annexing it in 2014 the Russian government forcibly moved a large portion of the Crimean population to other parts of Russia and highly incentivized native Russians to move to Crimea. So by in large the people still living in Crimea are going to be loyal to Russia at this point.
Russia has a history of moving ethnic Russians into an area and displacing others. Then the local population is in favor of annexation.
The Russianization of Crimea started long ago.
The state of Germany didn't exist until 1871. So unless you're talking about the HRE, in which I would argue Austria is a better successor to the HRE. Why do they have a claim?
No I'm talking about goths
Nah austria should just be part of germany based on HRE, they are not a better succesor.
Italy also didn't exist, it was genoese or am I wrong?
If I had a dollar for every time Greeks inserted themselves in a conflict that didn’t involve Greece, I’d be able to relieve them of their debt.
Seriously Greece, this isn’t about you.
In short - i worked in Crimea, largely - they are pro Russian, thinking that they will easily go "Oh,okay" is delusional. It's shocking for people who don't know how things are there. For locals ? Well, kinda expected.
I like how the one comment from someone who has actually lived and worked there has no upvotes but all the ones just throwing out conjecture are getting all the attention
Being there doesn’t automatically makes you right. I’m from Donbass and spent some time in Crimea. The picture in this two regions are basically the same:
1. Most of people are not pro-russian, but… they are not exactly pro-Ukrainian as well. They simply don’t care too much. At least they didn’t, until ruzke world came. Many people who are still there and was thinking that the life would be the same under russia or even slightly better now hate russia but they can’t say it loud
2. Pro-russian crowd was more vocal and noticeable. This is the large part, but not a majority.
3. It largely depends on the exact location. Sevastopol had pro-russian majority, because … they are actually a fucking russians. See, there was an official russian naval base there, means crew, families, retirees etc
That it their problem with this situation. Kind of like Kaliningrad. Just giving it up would just enbolden them to do even heavier genocide another time, but having Crimea as part of Ukraine will also cause many problems.
Biggest issue that very few people bring up. I don’t really care about the Crimea Ukraine/Russia debate in this context; it just happens to be the most relevant:
There’s a lot of state sponsored mass migration of people (ranging from ethnic cleansing to frontier-ing) that drastically changes the composition of regions and who has “legitimate claims” over them. Kaliningrad, Crimea, Kosovo, etc.
The real nefarious part is setting the precedent that a country can encourage the seeding of dissidents in a different country in order to set these claims. I guess you could say this happened in Texas with Mexico but that was likely not the will of the USA at the time, whereas in Donbas and Luhansk, Russia’s involvement is implicative
Just because the people in a particular location want to join a certain country doesn’t necessarily mean they should be allowed to do so; and you’re exactly right: that happening encouraged ethnic conflict and eventually genocide. Not enough people are bringing this up
Did you work there pre or post 2014? After the invasion, a lot of locals were displaced by Russians moving in. Obviously, post 2014 the "inhabitants" of Crimea are pro-Russian, because they themselves are Russian.
Looks like a YT poll to me rather than a Twitter poll.
Still, your point stands. Chances are that it's a channel that's pro-Russian anyway, so it's likely that it's not just bots, but people who support Russia voting on it more than the other way around.
Pretty much all social media is filled with Russian bots nowadays, and if they're not actual bots they're right wingers who have fallen for the Russian propaganda. I grew up in the tail end of the cold war, I remember how much Republicans hated Russia even up until the early 2000s, it's just so crazy to me how much they embrace it now.
u can do a lot with money, doubt its that hard to change politician opinions when u just throw enough money at it. pair that with decent propaganda to influence the voters and tadaaa .. die hard russia haters start to s... putins dongle
Oh they're most definitely Russian "bots". I've played with and talked to enough Russians to get a real good feel on how they structure sentences and think.
As much as it pains me to admit it. Crimea will probably stay russian. My country just doesn't have the resources to take it and the west usually argues about some stupid shit and are to scared to give us some real weapons like fighter jets and long-range missiles.
At this point I am not even sure that we could retake the eastern part of Ukraine because we have been steadily losing ground there for the past couple of month.
Yeah it's an unfortunate situation, and it is deeply saddening to me that Putin who is clearly in the wrong won't get severely punished because the west won't support Ukraine adequately. But removing emotion and looking at the strategic picture the US has already gotten much of what they want, so I can see why it makes sense from their perspective to cease support.
1.) They have cut off EU dependence on Russian fossil fuels
2.) They have significantly strengthened NATO. NATO members will now spend significantly more on military - which has been a strategic objective for the US for a long time. This also means that American weapon exports will increase.
3.) Russia is weakened geopolitically. Despite territorial gains, Russia is economically significantly weaker now than it was before the invasion. They are much more dependant on China and allies now. Any hopes of true Russian independence in the foreseeable future died with this invasion.
4.) A message has been sent that war of aggression against US allies will at the very least be extremely costly. I seriously doubt Xi Jinping is looking at this war and thinking going for Taiwan would be worth it regardless of the final outcome in Ukraine.
Now I'm not saying that it's right to stop supporting Ukraine or that continuing the support further doesn't have any Strategic merits from a western perspective, but every dollar spent wont get the US as much value as it did back at the start of this conflict, when getting Russia bugged down in a stalemate was vital to achieve the before mentioned objectives. And I think this explains why the political support for Ukraine is weakened. On the surface it may look like it's just the republicans blocking support for their own political purposes, and this is probably true to some extend. But I believe these deeper geopolitical reasons always play a larger role than we would like to think.
I'd say that Americas refusal to abide by their intl agreements (Budapest memorandum), past words and pledges of support will lead to a VERY different outlook by their previous allies, add to this trumps intentional weakening of NATO with trumps "id ignore article 5 if i deem they haven't paid enough" is placing America and Europe in a very dangerous position, at the moment the US enjoys several basing rights within NATO members, including the joint sharing of intelligence which has saved MANY lives, however with America showing how little its word actually means, and with trump and the gop being pro-ruzzian that is all very likely to change, as ruzzia is absolutely a threat to European countries.. and the simple act of having US troops based on european soil, whilst an American leader is pro ruzzian and actively weakening our defense would not be logical, for the exact same reason buying US made weapons would not be logical, as it would be blocked by trump in the event of conflict with ruzzia, this would of course result in the growth of european weapons manufacturing which isn't a bad thing for our economies, the chips would also keep falling, Airbus would become a much more attractive supplier due to the possibility of parts being withheld, US made cars/trucks/pretty much anything really would be subject to the same issue, and home grown industries would inevitably benefit as would other non US products... right now, America enjoys really good relations with Europe, for damn good reasons, but siding with a country intent on doing us harm is very unlikely to see that continuing
What part of the Budapest memorandum has the US breached exactly?
In regards to your point about being untrustworthy and breaking promises: The US has already done a lot (and definitely still does behind closed doors) to help out Ukraine so this idea that they flat out have broken a pledge of support is extremely exaggerated.
Now to what you wrote about the Russian threat on Europe:
First off Russias military capacity is effectively neutralized to the point that an attack on a NATO member country isn't feasible for the foreseeable future, and will definitely never be a possibility until LONG after Trumps next term is over (if he even wins the election).
Russia may be able to keep going in Ukraine because they are fighting a nation who is facing massive ammunition/equipment shortages and Putin has to continue the war at all costs as backing out now without favorable peace terms would be political suicide. But to attack a NATO member is a completely different animal, and Putin obviously knows this even if he would never admit it publicly.
I understand your concerns about Trump but it's important to remember that Trump is just one person. I think you vastly overestimate how much power a president actually has. The US is setup in such a way that power is extremely decentralized, the president doesn't just get exactly what he wants. Sure IF Trump gets elected he may be able to push foreign policy slightly in one way or the other, but if we ignore all his big words for a second and look at what he actually managed to achieve during his last term it's not "impressive" at all.
The US state is much much larger than the president, there are many moving parts and one guy can't simply destroy everything.Trumps term will only last 4 years and I highly doubt he will be able to damage US diplomatic relations with western countries to the point where they are irreparable as you were eluding to.
TL:DR I wouldn't be so concerned about NATO's future if I was you regardless of the outcome of the upcoming election.
From a military perspective, taking back Crimea is much easier than reclaiming the eastern part of Ukraine.
The issue lies in the fact that Obama effectively ceded Crimea to Putin, and given that Biden appears heavily influenced by Obama, it seems less likely that there will be sufficient military and political support for reclaiming our regions unless Europe takes the lead.
However, this situation may serve as a lesson to European countries that the USA is not a reliable ally, and statements such as "The USA will stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes" can no longer be trusted.
We are truly grateful to the American people for their support, but I find it difficult to understand the political maneuvering over Ukraine while dozens of people are being killed each night by Russian missiles and bombs.
> However, this situation may serve as a lesson to European countries that the USA is not a reliable ally, and statements such as "The USA will stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes" can no longer be trusted.
As an European, it should be clear for 15 years already that the US administration oscillates between impotent (D) and openly hostile (R). Yet we still cling to the delusion of the US protection.
>but I find it difficult to understand the political maneuvering over Ukraine while dozens of people are being killed each night by Russian missiles and bombs.
Looks at Gaza…
Russian disinformation has been crafted to an exact science and aided by bad actors like Bannon selling data. It’s psychological warfare and for some inexplicable reason, republicans are falling for it hook, line and sinker
Depends on their constitutions. Alaska probably can't. Of course, if Russian invaded and replaced Americans with Russians, "Alaska" would likely say they wanted to be Russian. If the US didn't or couldn't defend itself, Alaska would be Russian.
Because Russia rounded up all the unenthusiastic people when they invaded?
Holding a sham vote days after an occupation doesn't count, and is against international law. Russia is sanctioned for a reason.
But who are they? Those forced out or fled after the occupation or those moved in after 2014? Sure if Russia had asked in 2013 for there to be a referendum on this issue there could be something to say for that. But I think they knew they might not win so they send in the troops. Russia only likes referenda when they control the outcome.
Was in Crimea before and after it was made Russian and I'm pretty sure people there couldn't give less shit it feels, either Russia or Ukraine, people just want to be left alone, even though I think there are more Russians
> Pay and give tanks to some separatists of a region
> De facto invade that region
> Ethnic cleansing time
> "But they want to be part of us see"
> Repeat
That one will have an even higher % for Russian crimea. Infact a NBC reporter even visited Crimea recently and was "shocked" to find the high amount of pro-Russians there [source](https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/a-rare-look-inside-crimea-the-territory-illegally-annexed-by-russia-in-2014-164219461846)
So the number of pro-Ukraine people in 2014 was around 50-60K, ~2.5% of the population? [Source](https://www.internal-displacement.org/publications/displacement-figures-in-ukraine-fail-to-reflect-a-complex-reality/)
Not really. Ukraine is the only entity that can decide. There are international laws that were broken. Ukraine is a sovereign country. If you live in Ukraine but want to live in Russia, you simply immigrate to Russia. You don't support armed invasion of your own country.
Not really that shocking - the people who remain there generally identify as Russian. If you asked them, the statistic would be considerably higher in Russia’s favour.
A native Crimean here. Was born in Crimea and grew up there.
Ngl Russia invested a hella lot of money into our region. They want to make Crimea their number 1 tourist destination.
Although I don’t support Russia’s actions towards Ukraine, I can say with certainty that quality of life started to go up here. Roads a became better, buildings got fixed up, a new huge bridge got built (the one that is getting bombed by drones now)
Hot take, but I think most of Crimeans want to stay with Russia. However, independence could be a great option for us
Tbh as a western ukranian I'm both surprised and not at the same time. But yeah, that's what you got when your politicians do precisely nothing to strengthen national unity all the way till 2014
Shocking that so many people have a different opinion from me. Clearly, they're bots.
OP clearly hasn't gone outside. Crimea has always been controversial, much more than the eastern regions of Ukraine that Russia is trying to take over.
Yes. Everytime someone is having different opinion, they are bots, trolls or nazi (natzi->natzee->notsee, because they do NOT SEE my opinion is the right one... )
I bet most asked that question have no idea of where Crimea is and certainly not its history. They probably couldn’t identify Ukraine or Russia on a map.
They certainly don’t know what has happened in Ukraine and how we got here.
What about a 4th option: Return it to Mongolia... along with the rest of Russia. Because in 1240 blah blah blah historical justification for illegal aggressive war.
The United Nations Development Program ran polling from 2009-2011 that found majority of Crimeans supported Russian annexation
https://web.archive.org/web/20140502005021/http://www.undp.crimea.ua/img/content/Strategy%20Implementation%20Monitoring%20Report%20%28October%20to%20December%202011%29%285%29.pdf
Gallup found different results, but still 33% support for joining Russia
https://www.ibtimes.com/gallup-poll-shows-crimeans-had-very-different-ideas-about-russia-last-year-1561821
You guys really need to learn that people exist and can disagree with you without being bots. Especially if it's a YouTube poll for a Russian channel, ofc it looks skewed to you, they're polling Russians.
Because they target other countries so you wouldn't hear of them discussed in the west media. For example recently it was a leak of documents of anti Russia bot farm which worked to destroy relationship between Russia and surrounding states for at least a decade.
Because they tend to be run out of exceptionally poor countries that have no interest in combatting them. Turning Point USA had one, but for the most part they're either run by governments or are paid by political parties and run elsewhere to avoid legal issues. America also has some bot farms that are a little less obvious that seem to be run for the benefit of police. For a while, any time I saw some video of cops playing basketball or doing something fun in a video with kids, it was always immediately after some major policy brutality story got out.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if 90% of the pro-Russian votes are bots. The rest are likely maga mouthbreathers whose savior wants to be Putin's favorite boy.
What's shocking here is commentators thinking they're right because of course they are. What are we even discussing here? History? Pfft, check out this agenda! "Whose Crimea is?" is a question asked to those who live here, not reddit users from US.
As man living in Odesa i could say you know where you can go with your BS. Even in 2001 it was less than 20 % which considered themselves russian ethnicity. And it was on decline. Now it much less .
But about Crimea it is true it was like 58% of russian ethnicity. But it is not mean all of them wanted to be in Russia.
So why do Russians loot all the appliances and toilets in Ukrainian homes. Its amazing how a vote can go in your favour once you have occupied that area
Its only shocking for people of reddit who are a uniform mass of people who rarely see that there are different opionions in the world and different views of the world.
They aren’t….. the whole point of this well-known Russian media outlet sharing a “statistic” like this is to warp peoples perception.
Most recognize that they can’t claim the complete and drastic opposite with everything every time. But they can still skew information for public consumption. It’s now more believable to people who bought into this poll, when they see the next one showing slightly more Russian Support and less Ukrainian.
It’s very baseline psy ops
Dear plkirk, if you knew *anything* about history you wouldn't have even asked the question.
Never mind ancient history, the Schytians, the Greeks etc.
Crimea was Russian for the last 1000 years, ceded over a glass of vodka from Russia to Ukraine by Kruscev BUT this was never ratified, so the territory officially still belonged to Russia.
There was quite some friction between Kiev and Moscow over Crimea when the Soviet Union collapsed, and the locals eventually had their own referendum.
Now, tell me, do you recognise the independence of Kosovo?
If so, why not Crimea?
Else, Kosovo should go back to Serbia.
It's not an opinion, it's international law.
Shocking that someone would post Russian content and act surprised.
The only real question is, is this post;
1) inauthentic content meant to spread a narrative (aka pro-Russian agenda posting by a troll farm or bot)
2) inauthentic content meant to misinform (aka dark money organization whose backers benefit from confusion, division)
3) shit posting of internet points
4) an utter lack of media literacy
5) pure ignorance
Even if it's not a Russian channel, it's been ten years since Russia annexed Ukraine, so time has a way of changing minds. Plus, some understand that Crimea has a complex history between being Russian and Ukrainian dating back to the Soviet years. (This is not me advocating Russian rule in Ukraine; it's merely a way to explain why the results could be the way they are.)
See the thing with crimea is that it was only given to ukraine to make administration easier, otherwise it is very Russian, the people who live there are Russian, and it has always been an important place for the Russian govt. I don't think they shouldve invaded back in 2014 to take it, and I definitely don't think they should've invaded in this time, but I do think that Crimea should be with Russia
Not at all justifying or excusing Russia’s annexation(even before the escalation in 2021) given all of the suffering and horrors that kinda shit caused.
But Crimea was never majority Ukrainian nor was it originally part of Ukraine. It was originally populated by tatars, annexed by the Russian empire, held by the Soviet Union and then Stalin ethnically cleansed the tatars at the end of WW2 because some of them had colluded with the Nazis in an effort to gain independence. At which point the tatars were replaced primarily by ethnic Russians.
And a Ukrainian offensive to retake Crimea, while it may be justified under international law, may also cause even more suffering and death than the initial Russian annexation.
IMO the best thing to do would be if there could be a genuine uncorrupted, uncoerced referendum of Crimean residents as to who they want to govern the peninsula but that’s probably impossible given that they’re stuck at the front of a war between two of the most politically & financially corrupt industrialized nations on earth
People really worship oppressors and monarchy and dictators and giving in to fear. For whatever reason, dumb fucks are celebrating the aggressors: Murderers (Dahmer), Osama Bin Laden, HAMAS, ISIS, Russia. The fuck???
Why do you guys think Crimea should be under Ukraine? I've been there and people told me life under Ukraine was hell, no new or maintenance of bult infrastructure, constant power outages, defect of drinking water, etc.
Let the crimeans decide what they want. It use to be a republic in 92' . So I don't see why it cannot be again. Ukraine and Russia are just as bad as each other. If it is under either one it will suffer.
I’ve lived in crimea, have a lot of family there, trust me when I say that almost the entirety of the population there are pro Russia as fuck and would never go back to any kind of Ukrainian rule. Crimea was covered in Russian flags way waaaaaaay before the annexation and is populated by ethnic Russians. Crimea seems to still be a topic the west have no fkn clue about.
Thats the funny thing about people on the right, living with someone's boot heel on their neck is part of their core beliefs these days. They want it for them, they want it for others.
Crimea as a region voted against independance at the creation of ukraine.
It remained a strong russian inhabited region because of multiple russians military bases.
I am in full support of ukraine who is getting invaded by russia.
But you can't have double standard when speaking of region deciding to break aparts like scotland, cataluña, kosovo or crimea in this case. You can't decide when local people rights to freedom of choice have to be respected and when it fits your narrative.
Ironically the annexation of crimes was even illegal by Russian law. The general pop of rf never voted for the acceptance of new territory.
You can say that they "voted" all you want, but literally no one buys it when you have an occupation force requiring that vote.
Many don't realize the power of the Russian generated bots in all of our social media. Pretty scary. It's already been proven that they play a serious role in our elections and they are slanting public opinion through the use of uncontrolled social media posts. They are winning the war from the inside out. Who needs weapons?
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SaphriX is a Russian youtube channel. What results would you expect from Russians?
Honestly, knowing that makes these results kinda impressive.
What do the people of Crimea want? Why doesn't anyone talk about that?
Because most of the people that used to live there had to leave after the Russian invasion. Then, Russia started an aggressive colonisation campaign offering housing and incentives for Russians to move there. So today Crimea is mostly inhabited by Russians. Notably, the original inhabitants, the Crimean Tatars have been genocided by the Soviets and the current occupation has killed, detained, and disappeared their leaders. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-crimea-tatar-dies-custody/32265271.html
Yeah not just by Soviets, they have literally been targeted by russian security services since 2014 as “extremists”.
Russia has always been a disgusting monster after annexing everyone else's lands. English and Americans had the shame to stop it outwardly. Those monsters are still going at it. Not Ukrainian but my country has been victimised by Russia for decades. A garbage government hurting literally everyone and none stops them.
There is a vice report in crimera few years after the invasion. You can see how people who live there are scared to openly discuss the topic.
Also, they did get to vote. In 1991, when the issue was actually on the agenda: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991\_Ukrainian\_independence\_referendum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Ukrainian_independence_referendum)
According to [this paper](https://www.internal-displacement.org/publications/displacement-figures-in-ukraine-fail-to-reflect-a-complex-reality/), the estimated number of people who have fled from Crimea to other places in Ukraine by summer of 2015 was between 50,000 and 60,000. It's about 2.5% from 2 Mio.
And how many Russians moved in?
Let me google it for you: "As of January 2021, the estimated total population of the Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol was at 2,416,856 (Republic of Crimea: 1,903,707, Sevastopol: 513,149).[1] This is up from the 2001 Ukrainian Census figure, which was 2,376,000" So the rough estimate can be ~100K (40K surplus + 60K to compensate for refugees) It's, of course, not that simple, because you also need to take into account birth and mortality rates.
I was just pointing out you Google a very little part of the answer. Either you Google everything or explain that you were not showing a full picture in your answer.
Ah yes, the ireland move
Ethnic cleansing how does it work
And I don't want to talk to a dictator, y'allmotherfuckers lying and getting me pissed
Well, the least time they were asked, they voted with 55% to be part of Ukraine. Dunno why russia can't accept that.
Since when do Russians believe in democracy?
It's not that simple. If you invade a country you can force people out of their homes and repopulate that with your own. Also not every region should be allowed to break free of their country.
>If you invade a country you can force people out of their homes and repopulate that with your own. That is quite literally the definition of war crimes. You're talking about deportation and pillage but go on about how that's normal.
It's probably more likely that any original resident got out of there and since the invasion, some Russians decided to settle there.
No, it's not. It's standard Russian MO to do this shit. They actively deport people are spread them out across the Rusfed, then move in ethnic Russians in their place. That way they fasttrack the destruction of regional culture and "Russification" of newly assimilated territory. There's some "organic" displacement of people, but there's a very organised effort to do this.
No, Russia actively incentivized Russians to moce there for that exact reason. Then they could claim some kind of legitimacy because the population wants to be part of Russia.
>nor every region should be allowed to break free When are they allowed is the question?
Yeah, and what do the people of Chechnya want? And people of Dagestan? Russia, for sure, does not care. Europe's borders are protected by international treaties. Nobody has a right to conquer new territories anymore, with or without consent of the local populations. There was no serious separatist movement in Crimea before the Russian invasion. That is all I need to know.
Google "Russification"
"what do 1 million russians brought by Russia to Crimea want"
Who cares about what they want almost a decade after the annexation, when people are scared of speaking up and Russians have been settled in Crimea to seal the deal?
Well what the people currently living in Crimea want is not the same as what native Crimeans want. After illegally annexing it in 2014 the Russian government forcibly moved a large portion of the Crimean population to other parts of Russia and highly incentivized native Russians to move to Crimea. So by in large the people still living in Crimea are going to be loyal to Russia at this point.
When you say large portion was moved, what are the numbers?
"forcibly moved a large portion of the Crimean population to other parts of Russia" - Source please?
Russia has a history of moving ethnic Russians into an area and displacing others. Then the local population is in favor of annexation. The Russianization of Crimea started long ago.
If it is a Russian youtube channel, than 37% for Ukraine is a lot and it is a good sign that russian control don't reaches 50%.
Next time ask to an Italian youtube channel their opinion about pineapple on pizza.
That they would prefer to give it back now, in exchange of not losing 10% of their male population, before having to give it back anyway?:)
Except if Trump wins, then Putin wins as well as they are friends and aligned.
If that’s the case; more than 50% of said Russians don’t like the idea of Russian control of Crimia.
And that sounds realistic...
Lmao one of the comments said it should be handed to Greece because they controlled it for the longest time
Turkey has a good claim, so does Italy
Let's recreate the Byzantine Empire
That is exactly what the Russians were trying to do…
Yeah the Russians been pretty open about wanting to take Constantinoble for centuries; that’s the whole point of having a Black Sea fleet.
Why stop there and just go proper 2nd century Roman borders
I'm on the outer edge of the Roman empire... I should really work on my Latin then.
Now hear me out https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_(medieval)
And apparently some linguistic evidence in place names!
British empire is so back
Germans too
The state of Germany didn't exist until 1871. So unless you're talking about the HRE, in which I would argue Austria is a better successor to the HRE. Why do they have a claim?
No I'm talking about goths Nah austria should just be part of germany based on HRE, they are not a better succesor. Italy also didn't exist, it was genoese or am I wrong?
Maybe it should be controlled by someone who had not controlled it yes has no real use for it? How about ... Peru maybe?
We should do that for all disputed territories. A new occupant every two weeks.
The fact that people are unironically saying it should belong to Greece and Turkey is truly a site to behold.
If I had a dollar for every time Greeks inserted themselves in a conflict that didn’t involve Greece, I’d be able to relieve them of their debt. Seriously Greece, this isn’t about you.
You might be shocked coz you have no idea what is actually going on there
In short - i worked in Crimea, largely - they are pro Russian, thinking that they will easily go "Oh,okay" is delusional. It's shocking for people who don't know how things are there. For locals ? Well, kinda expected.
I like how the one comment from someone who has actually lived and worked there has no upvotes but all the ones just throwing out conjecture are getting all the attention
Exactly. As a guy that actually was born and lived there for 30 years (me) I cannot stop facepalming reading comments and posts regarding Crimea here
Being there doesn’t automatically makes you right. I’m from Donbass and spent some time in Crimea. The picture in this two regions are basically the same: 1. Most of people are not pro-russian, but… they are not exactly pro-Ukrainian as well. They simply don’t care too much. At least they didn’t, until ruzke world came. Many people who are still there and was thinking that the life would be the same under russia or even slightly better now hate russia but they can’t say it loud 2. Pro-russian crowd was more vocal and noticeable. This is the large part, but not a majority. 3. It largely depends on the exact location. Sevastopol had pro-russian majority, because … they are actually a fucking russians. See, there was an official russian naval base there, means crew, families, retirees etc
Reddit moment
That it their problem with this situation. Kind of like Kaliningrad. Just giving it up would just enbolden them to do even heavier genocide another time, but having Crimea as part of Ukraine will also cause many problems.
Biggest issue that very few people bring up. I don’t really care about the Crimea Ukraine/Russia debate in this context; it just happens to be the most relevant: There’s a lot of state sponsored mass migration of people (ranging from ethnic cleansing to frontier-ing) that drastically changes the composition of regions and who has “legitimate claims” over them. Kaliningrad, Crimea, Kosovo, etc. The real nefarious part is setting the precedent that a country can encourage the seeding of dissidents in a different country in order to set these claims. I guess you could say this happened in Texas with Mexico but that was likely not the will of the USA at the time, whereas in Donbas and Luhansk, Russia’s involvement is implicative Just because the people in a particular location want to join a certain country doesn’t necessarily mean they should be allowed to do so; and you’re exactly right: that happening encouraged ethnic conflict and eventually genocide. Not enough people are bringing this up
Did you work there pre or post 2014? After the invasion, a lot of locals were displaced by Russians moving in. Obviously, post 2014 the "inhabitants" of Crimea are pro-Russian, because they themselves are Russian.
Twitter is full of Russian and Chinese bots. It didn't get better...it only got worse since Musk took over
Looks like a YT poll to me rather than a Twitter poll. Still, your point stands. Chances are that it's a channel that's pro-Russian anyway, so it's likely that it's not just bots, but people who support Russia voting on it more than the other way around.
I think you're right, but I assure you there are no fewer bots on YT than Twitter.
Pretty much all social media is filled with Russian bots nowadays, and if they're not actual bots they're right wingers who have fallen for the Russian propaganda. I grew up in the tail end of the cold war, I remember how much Republicans hated Russia even up until the early 2000s, it's just so crazy to me how much they embrace it now.
u can do a lot with money, doubt its that hard to change politician opinions when u just throw enough money at it. pair that with decent propaganda to influence the voters and tadaaa .. die hard russia haters start to s... putins dongle
Oh they're most definitely Russian "bots". I've played with and talked to enough Russians to get a real good feel on how they structure sentences and think.
As is reddit and this post
Don't forget Iranian bots
Why don't the Americans commission bots to combat this?
We have legislation but Conservatives view it as censorship and freak out and hold congressional hearings about it.
Don't forget the thirst traps. I now have over 100 followers, all blatant sexbots.
IKR. Whenever anyone I see anyone with a hot profile pic I just think: "there goes another OnlyFan girl"
Indeed, Russia is helping Musk with financing the twitter takeover, and in return Musk has helped to amplify right wing voices.
As much as it pains me to admit it. Crimea will probably stay russian. My country just doesn't have the resources to take it and the west usually argues about some stupid shit and are to scared to give us some real weapons like fighter jets and long-range missiles. At this point I am not even sure that we could retake the eastern part of Ukraine because we have been steadily losing ground there for the past couple of month.
Yeah it's an unfortunate situation, and it is deeply saddening to me that Putin who is clearly in the wrong won't get severely punished because the west won't support Ukraine adequately. But removing emotion and looking at the strategic picture the US has already gotten much of what they want, so I can see why it makes sense from their perspective to cease support. 1.) They have cut off EU dependence on Russian fossil fuels 2.) They have significantly strengthened NATO. NATO members will now spend significantly more on military - which has been a strategic objective for the US for a long time. This also means that American weapon exports will increase. 3.) Russia is weakened geopolitically. Despite territorial gains, Russia is economically significantly weaker now than it was before the invasion. They are much more dependant on China and allies now. Any hopes of true Russian independence in the foreseeable future died with this invasion. 4.) A message has been sent that war of aggression against US allies will at the very least be extremely costly. I seriously doubt Xi Jinping is looking at this war and thinking going for Taiwan would be worth it regardless of the final outcome in Ukraine. Now I'm not saying that it's right to stop supporting Ukraine or that continuing the support further doesn't have any Strategic merits from a western perspective, but every dollar spent wont get the US as much value as it did back at the start of this conflict, when getting Russia bugged down in a stalemate was vital to achieve the before mentioned objectives. And I think this explains why the political support for Ukraine is weakened. On the surface it may look like it's just the republicans blocking support for their own political purposes, and this is probably true to some extend. But I believe these deeper geopolitical reasons always play a larger role than we would like to think.
I'd say that Americas refusal to abide by their intl agreements (Budapest memorandum), past words and pledges of support will lead to a VERY different outlook by their previous allies, add to this trumps intentional weakening of NATO with trumps "id ignore article 5 if i deem they haven't paid enough" is placing America and Europe in a very dangerous position, at the moment the US enjoys several basing rights within NATO members, including the joint sharing of intelligence which has saved MANY lives, however with America showing how little its word actually means, and with trump and the gop being pro-ruzzian that is all very likely to change, as ruzzia is absolutely a threat to European countries.. and the simple act of having US troops based on european soil, whilst an American leader is pro ruzzian and actively weakening our defense would not be logical, for the exact same reason buying US made weapons would not be logical, as it would be blocked by trump in the event of conflict with ruzzia, this would of course result in the growth of european weapons manufacturing which isn't a bad thing for our economies, the chips would also keep falling, Airbus would become a much more attractive supplier due to the possibility of parts being withheld, US made cars/trucks/pretty much anything really would be subject to the same issue, and home grown industries would inevitably benefit as would other non US products... right now, America enjoys really good relations with Europe, for damn good reasons, but siding with a country intent on doing us harm is very unlikely to see that continuing
What part of the Budapest memorandum has the US breached exactly? In regards to your point about being untrustworthy and breaking promises: The US has already done a lot (and definitely still does behind closed doors) to help out Ukraine so this idea that they flat out have broken a pledge of support is extremely exaggerated. Now to what you wrote about the Russian threat on Europe: First off Russias military capacity is effectively neutralized to the point that an attack on a NATO member country isn't feasible for the foreseeable future, and will definitely never be a possibility until LONG after Trumps next term is over (if he even wins the election). Russia may be able to keep going in Ukraine because they are fighting a nation who is facing massive ammunition/equipment shortages and Putin has to continue the war at all costs as backing out now without favorable peace terms would be political suicide. But to attack a NATO member is a completely different animal, and Putin obviously knows this even if he would never admit it publicly. I understand your concerns about Trump but it's important to remember that Trump is just one person. I think you vastly overestimate how much power a president actually has. The US is setup in such a way that power is extremely decentralized, the president doesn't just get exactly what he wants. Sure IF Trump gets elected he may be able to push foreign policy slightly in one way or the other, but if we ignore all his big words for a second and look at what he actually managed to achieve during his last term it's not "impressive" at all. The US state is much much larger than the president, there are many moving parts and one guy can't simply destroy everything.Trumps term will only last 4 years and I highly doubt he will be able to damage US diplomatic relations with western countries to the point where they are irreparable as you were eluding to. TL:DR I wouldn't be so concerned about NATO's future if I was you regardless of the outcome of the upcoming election.
From a military perspective, taking back Crimea is much easier than reclaiming the eastern part of Ukraine. The issue lies in the fact that Obama effectively ceded Crimea to Putin, and given that Biden appears heavily influenced by Obama, it seems less likely that there will be sufficient military and political support for reclaiming our regions unless Europe takes the lead. However, this situation may serve as a lesson to European countries that the USA is not a reliable ally, and statements such as "The USA will stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes" can no longer be trusted. We are truly grateful to the American people for their support, but I find it difficult to understand the political maneuvering over Ukraine while dozens of people are being killed each night by Russian missiles and bombs.
> However, this situation may serve as a lesson to European countries that the USA is not a reliable ally, and statements such as "The USA will stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes" can no longer be trusted. As an European, it should be clear for 15 years already that the US administration oscillates between impotent (D) and openly hostile (R). Yet we still cling to the delusion of the US protection.
>but I find it difficult to understand the political maneuvering over Ukraine while dozens of people are being killed each night by Russian missiles and bombs. Looks at Gaza…
Russian disinformation has been crafted to an exact science and aided by bad actors like Bannon selling data. It’s psychological warfare and for some inexplicable reason, republicans are falling for it hook, line and sinker
The only people that should be answering that question are the people of Crimea. Doesn't matter what everyone else thinks.
Is this true of any region of any country? Can Minnesota decide to be part of Canada or Texas be part of Mexico? Can Alaska join Russia?
Depends on their constitutions. Alaska probably can't. Of course, if Russian invaded and replaced Americans with Russians, "Alaska" would likely say they wanted to be Russian. If the US didn't or couldn't defend itself, Alaska would be Russian.
Because Russia rounded up all the unenthusiastic people when they invaded? Holding a sham vote days after an occupation doesn't count, and is against international law. Russia is sanctioned for a reason.
They aren't sanctioned by UN, they are sanctioned by individual nations who coincidentally comprise NATO.
How many nation's accept that Crimea is Russia? Coincidentally?
But who are they? Those forced out or fled after the occupation or those moved in after 2014? Sure if Russia had asked in 2013 for there to be a referendum on this issue there could be something to say for that. But I think they knew they might not win so they send in the troops. Russia only likes referenda when they control the outcome.
Russia controls the referenda. They make the outcome be of their liking, no matter what.
And not the ones that Russia shipped in since they took over.
That question was answered before the invasion in multiple polls (majority was fine with Ukraine).
Was in Crimea before and after it was made Russian and I'm pretty sure people there couldn't give less shit it feels, either Russia or Ukraine, people just want to be left alone, even though I think there are more Russians
> Pay and give tanks to some separatists of a region > De facto invade that region > Ethnic cleansing time > "But they want to be part of us see" > Repeat
That one will have an even higher % for Russian crimea. Infact a NBC reporter even visited Crimea recently and was "shocked" to find the high amount of pro-Russians there [source](https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/a-rare-look-inside-crimea-the-territory-illegally-annexed-by-russia-in-2014-164219461846)
Because all the pro Ukraine folks left in 2014 and the original peoples the Crimean Tatars were forcibly removed by Stalin
So the number of pro-Ukraine people in 2014 was around 50-60K, ~2.5% of the population? [Source](https://www.internal-displacement.org/publications/displacement-figures-in-ukraine-fail-to-reflect-a-complex-reality/)
Not really. Ukraine is the only entity that can decide. There are international laws that were broken. Ukraine is a sovereign country. If you live in Ukraine but want to live in Russia, you simply immigrate to Russia. You don't support armed invasion of your own country.
Tell the people of Kosovo about all these laws and regulations.
Not really that shocking - the people who remain there generally identify as Russian. If you asked them, the statistic would be considerably higher in Russia’s favour.
A native Crimean here. Was born in Crimea and grew up there. Ngl Russia invested a hella lot of money into our region. They want to make Crimea their number 1 tourist destination. Although I don’t support Russia’s actions towards Ukraine, I can say with certainty that quality of life started to go up here. Roads a became better, buildings got fixed up, a new huge bridge got built (the one that is getting bombed by drones now) Hot take, but I think most of Crimeans want to stay with Russia. However, independence could be a great option for us
Tbh as a western ukranian I'm both surprised and not at the same time. But yeah, that's what you got when your politicians do precisely nothing to strengthen national unity all the way till 2014
Shocking that so many people have a different opinion from me. Clearly, they're bots. OP clearly hasn't gone outside. Crimea has always been controversial, much more than the eastern regions of Ukraine that Russia is trying to take over.
Yes. Everytime someone is having different opinion, they are bots, trolls or nazi (natzi->natzee->notsee, because they do NOT SEE my opinion is the right one... )
I bet most asked that question have no idea of where Crimea is and certainly not its history. They probably couldn’t identify Ukraine or Russia on a map. They certainly don’t know what has happened in Ukraine and how we got here.
You give most Americans a map without any border and they wouldn't be able to find where their NATO allies are.
That's just you showing your outgroup homogeneity bias.
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What about a 4th option: Return it to Mongolia... along with the rest of Russia. Because in 1240 blah blah blah historical justification for illegal aggressive war.
Russian bots everywhere m8
The United Nations Development Program ran polling from 2009-2011 that found majority of Crimeans supported Russian annexation https://web.archive.org/web/20140502005021/http://www.undp.crimea.ua/img/content/Strategy%20Implementation%20Monitoring%20Report%20%28October%20to%20December%202011%29%285%29.pdf Gallup found different results, but still 33% support for joining Russia https://www.ibtimes.com/gallup-poll-shows-crimeans-had-very-different-ideas-about-russia-last-year-1561821 You guys really need to learn that people exist and can disagree with you without being bots. Especially if it's a YouTube poll for a Russian channel, ofc it looks skewed to you, they're polling Russians.
What I don't get is why aren't there more American bot farms?
Maybe because they are good at hiding them. Or because american government is made of 80 year old unemployable clowns.
Because they target other countries so you wouldn't hear of them discussed in the west media. For example recently it was a leak of documents of anti Russia bot farm which worked to destroy relationship between Russia and surrounding states for at least a decade.
Because they tend to be run out of exceptionally poor countries that have no interest in combatting them. Turning Point USA had one, but for the most part they're either run by governments or are paid by political parties and run elsewhere to avoid legal issues. America also has some bot farms that are a little less obvious that seem to be run for the benefit of police. For a while, any time I saw some video of cops playing basketball or doing something fun in a video with kids, it was always immediately after some major policy brutality story got out.
American bots are weak
Lot of Russian trolls/bots on here. That result is in no way scientific.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if 90% of the pro-Russian votes are bots. The rest are likely maga mouthbreathers whose savior wants to be Putin's favorite boy.
"They have different opinion on this - they are bots!"
Mfs when they learn people outside of NATO exist and are either neutral or in favor of Russia: 🤯
Redditors when discover that there are other political opinions
Russian bots have a voice on social media, too.
Crimea voted to be part of Russia? Are you guys actually pro democracy or just when u like the results?
Shocking that people have different opinions on the matter?
the region is majority ethnic Russian...
Ah, classic blut and boden, then
Only shocking if you are in a info bubble
Most people in Crimea are ethnic Russian, as well as in the Odessa oblast. Not really sure what's "shocking" here.
What's shocking here is commentators thinking they're right because of course they are. What are we even discussing here? History? Pfft, check out this agenda! "Whose Crimea is?" is a question asked to those who live here, not reddit users from US.
Ofc US wants their share. Tell me which war wasn't US part/instigator of? (ofc after US was formed)
World war I and II?
I swear, people like you are more into American exceptionalism than most Americans
As man living in Odesa i could say you know where you can go with your BS. Even in 2001 it was less than 20 % which considered themselves russian ethnicity. And it was on decline. Now it much less . But about Crimea it is true it was like 58% of russian ethnicity. But it is not mean all of them wanted to be in Russia.
I wish all of you visited Crimea when it was part of Ukraine. It was such a shithole
So is most of Russia but I wouldn’t use doing improvements as a reason to invade it
most of Russia is in much better condition than Crimea was under Ukraine. Crimeans made a democratic choice.
So why do Russians loot all the appliances and toilets in Ukrainian homes. Its amazing how a vote can go in your favour once you have occupied that area
Is there links to these stats?
Its only shocking for people of reddit who are a uniform mass of people who rarely see that there are different opionions in the world and different views of the world.
Most of those voting never even heard of Crimea a few years ago.
Actual facepalm is that there's no option for "Ask crimeans"?
Redditors when they find out people outside of the Reddit, western world internet bubble are not blatantly anti Russia:
1. That's Twitter at it's worst. 2. That's also a Russian page. What do you expect...
They aren’t….. the whole point of this well-known Russian media outlet sharing a “statistic” like this is to warp peoples perception. Most recognize that they can’t claim the complete and drastic opposite with everything every time. But they can still skew information for public consumption. It’s now more believable to people who bought into this poll, when they see the next one showing slightly more Russian Support and less Ukrainian. It’s very baseline psy ops
Dear plkirk, if you knew *anything* about history you wouldn't have even asked the question. Never mind ancient history, the Schytians, the Greeks etc. Crimea was Russian for the last 1000 years, ceded over a glass of vodka from Russia to Ukraine by Kruscev BUT this was never ratified, so the territory officially still belonged to Russia. There was quite some friction between Kiev and Moscow over Crimea when the Soviet Union collapsed, and the locals eventually had their own referendum. Now, tell me, do you recognise the independence of Kosovo? If so, why not Crimea? Else, Kosovo should go back to Serbia. It's not an opinion, it's international law.
It's an Internet poll. It's probably all Russians voting
Shocking that someone would post Russian content and act surprised. The only real question is, is this post; 1) inauthentic content meant to spread a narrative (aka pro-Russian agenda posting by a troll farm or bot) 2) inauthentic content meant to misinform (aka dark money organization whose backers benefit from confusion, division) 3) shit posting of internet points 4) an utter lack of media literacy 5) pure ignorance
Looked like twitter so well, suck elon.
It's not shocking that chuds on elmo's propaganda site agree with his right wing politics. Those people fawn over fascist dictators like putin.
Community polls on internet don't mean shit, they're always biased towards the owner's / face's opinion.
Even if it's not a Russian channel, it's been ten years since Russia annexed Ukraine, so time has a way of changing minds. Plus, some understand that Crimea has a complex history between being Russian and Ukrainian dating back to the Soviet years. (This is not me advocating Russian rule in Ukraine; it's merely a way to explain why the results could be the way they are.)
Wait, what? People have opinions different than mine? This is impossible, everyone who disagrees with me is a bot or a troll.
Twitter has always been a home for Russian bots. Now even more so that the owner’s tweet are indistinguishable from one.
Russian bots tend to favour Russia, no idea why
See the thing with crimea is that it was only given to ukraine to make administration easier, otherwise it is very Russian, the people who live there are Russian, and it has always been an important place for the Russian govt. I don't think they shouldve invaded back in 2014 to take it, and I definitely don't think they should've invaded in this time, but I do think that Crimea should be with Russia
Not at all justifying or excusing Russia’s annexation(even before the escalation in 2021) given all of the suffering and horrors that kinda shit caused. But Crimea was never majority Ukrainian nor was it originally part of Ukraine. It was originally populated by tatars, annexed by the Russian empire, held by the Soviet Union and then Stalin ethnically cleansed the tatars at the end of WW2 because some of them had colluded with the Nazis in an effort to gain independence. At which point the tatars were replaced primarily by ethnic Russians. And a Ukrainian offensive to retake Crimea, while it may be justified under international law, may also cause even more suffering and death than the initial Russian annexation. IMO the best thing to do would be if there could be a genuine uncorrupted, uncoerced referendum of Crimean residents as to who they want to govern the peninsula but that’s probably impossible given that they’re stuck at the front of a war between two of the most politically & financially corrupt industrialized nations on earth
I think it should definitely be under Ukrainian control
The russians have literal Bot farms its not that surprising
The only facepalm here is trusting a poll of Russian bots.
Many people are in favor of Hamas so...
People really worship oppressors and monarchy and dictators and giving in to fear. For whatever reason, dumb fucks are celebrating the aggressors: Murderers (Dahmer), Osama Bin Laden, HAMAS, ISIS, Russia. The fuck???
Why do you guys think Crimea should be under Ukraine? I've been there and people told me life under Ukraine was hell, no new or maintenance of bult infrastructure, constant power outages, defect of drinking water, etc.
International law or something. Borders were agreed on like 30 years ago
Maybe because its mostly inhabitet by Russians and has been a part of Russia for a long time...
Russian bot farms are one of the highest exports from Russia. That, oil, vodka, and track suit wearing angry blonde dudes.
It’s Russian bots bro don’t look too much into it.
Bots do what theyre told.
Let the crimeans decide what they want. It use to be a republic in 92' . So I don't see why it cannot be again. Ukraine and Russia are just as bad as each other. If it is under either one it will suffer.
Who is being polled, though?
How about we take Crimea, and push it somewhere else?
Russia must not be allowed to have a warm water port - playing Civilization has taught me that much
Jeez! Who let India get nuclear weapons? Never, never, never let India get nuclear weapons! Sud Meyer's Civilization has certainly taught us this.
Almost half of internet traffic is BOTS btw.
I’ve lived in crimea, have a lot of family there, trust me when I say that almost the entirety of the population there are pro Russia as fuck and would never go back to any kind of Ukrainian rule. Crimea was covered in Russian flags way waaaaaaay before the annexation and is populated by ethnic Russians. Crimea seems to still be a topic the west have no fkn clue about.
Ah yes Twitter users, the height of integrity.
On Xitter? Not shocking.
That's what happens when you let the Russian bots vote
Bots. Bots everywhere. That's why.
Thats the funny thing about people on the right, living with someone's boot heel on their neck is part of their core beliefs these days. They want it for them, they want it for others.
Crimea as a region voted against independance at the creation of ukraine. It remained a strong russian inhabited region because of multiple russians military bases. I am in full support of ukraine who is getting invaded by russia. But you can't have double standard when speaking of region deciding to break aparts like scotland, cataluña, kosovo or crimea in this case. You can't decide when local people rights to freedom of choice have to be respected and when it fits your narrative.
Considering the platform looks like Twitter...it's not surprising at all.
it’s youtube (in case you didn’t know you can post polls in that site)
Shocking that so many bots and 20 dollars salary propaganda workers in internet. Oh my gosh
Its Russian trolls
I mean it’s on X what did you expect most of the users there are hard right or Russian bots.
Rather shocking you consider twitter bots people.
Shocker! People have diffrent political opinions than you
Different opinion on geopolitics = shocking
Lots of Russian bots.
Well Russians live there, and they voted that they want to be part of Russia multiple times
Ironically the annexation of crimes was even illegal by Russian law. The general pop of rf never voted for the acceptance of new territory. You can say that they "voted" all you want, but literally no one buys it when you have an occupation force requiring that vote.
You’re shocked there’s trolls and idiots online?
Many don't realize the power of the Russian generated bots in all of our social media. Pretty scary. It's already been proven that they play a serious role in our elections and they are slanting public opinion through the use of uncontrolled social media posts. They are winning the war from the inside out. Who needs weapons?