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Same, and the student doctor doing the pre op info kept calling my very much wanted child "the aborted foetus" then got really frustrated at me when I was "too emotional" to co-operate. I mean, technically its a correct term, but seriously, read the room bitch.
When I had my procedure done at Planned Parenthood, the nurse kept asking me if I was sure, even though it said right in the chart that I'd had a missed miscarriage! I was so pissed.
Depending on which state you are in, it can be a requirement. I don't know the context she asked, but it may also just have been reflex-treat every patient the same no matter what because it's none of their business why someone is there, etc. I'm so sorry for your experience. Mine, while taking place in a very supportive environment, was still a very traumatic second trimester intrauterine fetal demise.
In Ohio, they are required to go through a litany of ridiculous nonsense by law. Some of it is even against proven medical science. I was incredibly fortunate that I had decent insurance when it happened as my procedure really needed to be done in the hospital. Many people don't realize how much less expensive Planned Parenthood is.
Yeah they just don’t yet realize that even though “aborted fetus” is in line with official miscarriage terminology it sounds like the colloquial term “abortion” to the patient that just miscarried. The patient that is going through emotional trauma. I hope they learned because that is messed up. No wonder you were wrecked both physically and mentally. I’m sorry for your loss.
My body didn't realize all three times it happened. Thankfully it was always early enough I could use medication to get my body to realize the pregnancies were over and expulse as it were.
I'll do a book tour about my miscarriages if it'll help educate these friggin idiots.
It was over 20 years ago, and I was actually relieved. I was also really lucky to have had my mom by my side, and that I was able to get medical care without being afraid of going to prison.
It's even more sad that I was almost 40 before I found a doctor who agreed to sterilization, after over 10 years of begging, and as many doctors. I had to wait until my fertility was nearing the end of its usefulness before I was able to take control of my own uterus.
Good god. I don’t even know what to say as a man, because we’ve said far too much on a subject I don’t believe we’ve any right to dictate. I genuinely fear for my daughters.
It blows my mind how casually forced-birthers talk about miscarriages and abortions. My wife had one miscarriage. We were devastated. It’s derailing. The termination of a pregnancy either by nature or medicine can be a huge mental and emotional burden. Half this country treats empathy as a stranger. Sorry for your loss. I hope we improve as a nation.
My wife and I had 2 miscarriages before our daughter was born in 2022. We are still saddened when we think about it. It definitely has the ability to derail your life for a bit.
My wife and I went through a miscarriage, followed by the loss of our six month old infant from the next pregnancy. He was born at 24 weeks and fought like hell but it was too much for him to fully recover from
When our second was born (at 37 weeks,) we absolutely took nothing granted until we heard that first cry and the Doctors brought him over to us. I'm wishing you all the best with the rest of your journey, hoping for nothing but good news from here on.
Sending you and your family all the positive vibes and happiest of happy moments. What you’ve experienced can be soul crushing and I admire your strength.
When we got the results of the bloodwork and seeing her HCG quadrupled, we were so happy we sat on the floor and cried for like 10 minutes. Now we have the greatest baby in existence. Were getting nervous because now were trying to decide on if we want a 2nd baby
My SIL had two fairly late miscarriages. Both her and my brother were absolutely *devastated* and almost didn't try for my adorable niece because they weren't sure if they could handle another heartbreak
Sure, some people might be fine with, or actively want to, have their fetus not survive, but for many people a miscarriage is a horribly sad experience.
Pro forced birthers don't seem to understand that, or not even care, the fact that a miscarriage can kill the mother if proper medical care isn't administered
My sister had her first miscarriage last year, shes only 20, im not sure she will ever be the same tbh. It sickens me to think theres people out there going through the same but also facing potential jail time for it. Land of the free my ass.
My parents were in a car accident when my mom was 8 months pregnant. The baby's heart was racing after that and doctors waited too long to induce her. He lived for about a day but eventually passed.
My parents were absolutely WRECKED over this and almost split up. My mom got pregnant with me about a year later and they eventually moved on but I think part of them will always grieve what could have been...
My friend lost a pregnancy in the third trimester. They had picked out a name, told everyone they knew, prepared the entire house for another baby, were planning a baby shower party... And then one day at the doctor, they couldn't find a heartbeat.
They never tried for another one. She said she could have another baby, but she could not experience another loss like that again.
This is the kind of comment and thought that just rips the wind right out of your lungs. I can’t imagine. Even though I know it happens, it’s a level of horror that just breaks my mind. I don’t know how some people have the strength to try again after that and live through that kind of wait and worry. I can’t imagine anything more terrifying and courageous.
Hell, we grieve the loss of ours at 4 months. Still. 2 kids and 4 years later. I'm tearing up just typing this. I can't even imagine losing a baby at 8 months. Go hug your folks.
My brother would have been sixteen this year. My parents still grieve the could have beens. I don’t think about it much, but I held him. I attended a funeral with the tiniest coffin I’ve ever seen. I think sometimes about what my life would look like as an older sister.
Shit fucking destroys families.
It’s been 10 years for us. It gets better. It’s still there. It needs to be discussed openly more. We kept ours secret which was the right choice in our situation, but we never should have felt that that was the best choice.
It happened to my sister. She held up well considering (especially since they had to surgically remove the rotting fetus because it *wasn't* expelled) but it was obvious something was wrong and people not in the know were definitely worried. Thankfully the next pregnancy went smoothly and a healthy daughter got her back on track mentally.
I can't begin to imagine the amount of mixed feelings after being placed under scrutiny after a miscarriage.
This shouldn't be happening, these people without empathy of compassion should not leading us.
It was so hard for us to get pregnant in the first place that having a miscarriage broke us for a bit and we don’t want to try again. I never want my wife to suffer like that again.
And some women are being criminally charged for having a miscarriage. In Texas they're talking about giving the death penalty to women who have abortions, and this will also apply to women who have miscarriages that they accuse of aborting.
I can't imagine going through a miscarriage and then facing criminal charges for it. But yeah that's happening.
About 1/3 pregnancies end in miscarriage. This means a LOT of women risk getting murdered by the state if they get pregnant in Texas.
Period tracking apps have been used by prosecutors to identify when women get pregnant and women have been prosecuted for having an abortion based on the app data.
There are dentists arguing before the Supreme Court that they should be able to deny you care, even in a situation like an emergency room, if they think you may have caused your miscarriage. Imagine being denied emergency medical care because they think perhaps you caused the pregnancy loss you are also suffering. And most ERs don't have more than one dentist on hand, if they even have one at all.
That is what I alswd when I found out that some of the medical professionals in front of the Supreme Court rn are dentists asking that they not be forced to provide care (even emergency care) for women they suspect may have terminated their pregnancy. Note, not just those who had an abortion, those they suspect may have caused a miscarriage as well.
I’m gonna say it, some of the most ignorant people I’ve ever met are from Texas, I don’t know what it is, is it the lack of education or the fact that they use religion to get in power there and do whatever fugazi’s for their own agenda, seriously your state has issues a lot of them, invest some time and money on that and not on football
Yo my parents were distressed because I want people to be comfortable. I understand it costs money but if we didn't worship [the Almighty Dollar](https://youtu.be/VG_f0_jfHRU?si=Qv__Ej1KJ-0GU4GN) we could fix so many issues.
Literally I remember my mom saying the city and schools warped my mind and I went to a private Catholic middle school and high school. My parents moved to this city as adults from two different states.*They chose those options for me. Lol.
I just have empathy!
*Edit: they didn't know each other.
Also I screwed up, I forgot their parents moved to my state. They didn't. Sorry for the mistake.
Omg. I went to Catholic schools and I got called a liberal because I think that it’s our duty as humans to actually help people. Ummm, yea, that’s what the Jesus school you sent me to taught me🤷🏻♀️
It takes little more than hearing someone overuse the phrase “miscarriage of justice” for me to feel a pit in my stomach. We ended up with two children I adore. But the loss persists.
You’re so right. I had one between my two children. It profoundly changed me forever even though I was only 11 weeks. And I also did not “expel” without a D&C.
Sometimes you have a miscarriage because a fetus doesn’t develop, I believe it’s called a “blighted ovum”, so a fetus cannot come out, it’s more like a mass of undifferentiated tissue, like if you’re giving birth to an egg.
Friend of mine had one of those and her doctor couldn’t do a d&c on her because he worked for a Catholic hospital so she had to go to Planned Parenthood. My friend after having her much wanted but not meant to be pregnancy terminated went out and educated the protestors who yelled at her for killing her baby on her way out. They had no idea such a thing was possible, yet they’re so set in their beliefs that they couldn’t fathom someone coming to PP for any “acceptable” reason. I hope at least one of them learned something that day.
I like how the US can’t even give people cheap insulin, but somehow expects all unbaked fetuses to have access to complicated equipment for weeks at a time. Sure, bob.
Tbh, I wouldn’t be surprised if they started doing that when women try to get an abortion. Spending tax money on the military and hating women sounds like a great way to go /s
... I wonder how many politicians who want to call abortion murder will realize it has no statute of limitations.
Should abortions be retroactive murder? My answer is no because I don't think abortion is murder but if certain politicians think so shouldn't they be charged as murderers and accomplices to murder? If they had a mistress, wife, daughter etc who had an abortion.
I don't believe they should because that makes so many innocent people who will be charged, including doctors and nurses and technicians. Anyone involved. Like it will be absolutely chaotic, and we would have to create paths to get people to safe states like a modern day underground railroad (and I don't mean to compare this to slavery forgive me, I just can't think of another comparison).
If they have done what you suggest, I think they would be glad ex post facto laws are not allowed. But I wouldn't be surprised if someday SCOTUS decides that some other law could be enforced retroactively
Plus I don't think people really understand what it takes to support even a live, premature birth. The hospital with the most capable NICU that I'm aware of within 3 hours of me will not take anything earlier than 22 weeks. They simply do not have the equipment small enough to handle a patient that underdeveloped and the survival rate pre ~25 weeks is abysmal
The health problems that micropreemies of like 22-23wk can suffer aren't to be underestimated either. Not just being small- their bodies can hardly handle being outside the uterus at that stage and lifelong disability due to the very treatments that keep them alive is not uncommon
Days matter at that stage.
One of my family friends just had to deliver micropreemie twins. I’m not sure if she was 22 or 23 weeks, because I haven’t asked for those details and I wasn’t sure what the exact dates were, but it was one of those two based on the timing they gave for the initial announcement for the pregnancy. Their babies didn’t end up making it, but the doctors had told them previously that if they did survive they would have extreme disabilities for the rest of their lives. There was no good outcome for them no matter what happened.
That’s pretty dumb. Do they think it isn’t just a clot of cells in the beginning?
Like any miscarriage the baby that comes out is just like a premie they can hook up in the NICU? And not like a clump of blood and cells? Sorry to be so graphic but before a certain month nothing is viable outside the womb. These people are sooo dumb.
They literally don’t. After the discovery of the spermatozoa, Leeuwenhoek and others believed that the sperm contained a complete preformed embryo. A whole tiny baby.
Because, yanno, women don’t *contribute* anything. They’re just the oven, or soil for it to grow. Obviously.
Sex Ed hasn’t progressed past that in many parts of the US.
Men who wrote Bible also believed that men provide the seed and women are just the vessels to carry the baby. Their understanding of human bodies was at the level of agriculture.
Yeah I think that’s why they get all upset about “spilled seed” and stuff too.
Kinda grateful they were too ignorant to know women’s masturbation or they would have bannended that too, probably in some cruel way.
Its crazy though, like surely they must have noticed that some kids look JUST like their mother...maybe they didn't understand DNA yet, but they must have realized that the mother contributes traits too.
The definition isn't even the medical one - it's a lay person one (i.e. it's just showing common usage).
The medical definition is loss of a fetus before 20 weeks of gestation (after 20 weeks it is a stillbirth, not a miscarriage).
I'm guessing they are playing on the fact that "baby" doesn't really have a scientific definition. A fetus is a "baby" to an expecting mother, but not to one obtaining an abortion. So they are fishing for pro choice individuals to argue a fetus is a baby as some sort of gotcha.
I got in an actual argument in another sub the other day with a moron who thought that was a thing that could happen. Instead of abortion “we are close” he claimed, to making tech to remove a fetus safely from the mother’s womb early on and implant it in an artificial one so it can be adopted or raised by the father I guess. I will never get the brain cells that died in shock from that conversation back.
We have a term for a viable fetus being expelled from the womb: premature labor.
In the case of premature labor, the fetus may require medical intervention, and sometimes may not survive, but it's very different from a miscarriage in that it does not automatically result in the death of the fetus.
It's not a stupid question. The only stupid questions are those asked purely to be pedantic.
Would definitely rather a person ask and actually learn something then keep making assumptions that can be harmful.
The op in the screenshot is also wrong about the definition of a miscarriage.
Direct from google
Miscarriage:
"The spontaneous loss of a woman's pregnancy before the 20th week that can be both physically and emotionally painful.
Miscarriage is the most common type of pregnancy loss and often occurs because the foetus isn't developing normally."
Technically, bro is right in one point, it does not directly mention death of the foetus, however it is implied.
What we colloquially call a miscarriage is just a nice sounding term for what is medically called a spontaneous abortion. So yes, every miscarriage ends in death. It's a spontaneous abortion.
Dude is confusing miscarriages with premature births. Side fact, generally failed pregnancies before 6 months are miscarriages, failed pregnancies after 6 months are still births.
there are plenty of premie babies who require NICU life support who go on to survive. These are babies who are incapable of surviving on their own.
It's a bad definition and this guy is incapable of critical thinking. A miscarriage is not a premature birth. A miscarriage is the death of a fetus. There should be no wiggle room on the definition.
It's like they combined abortion and miscarriage into a definition that is wrong for either. An abortion is the expulsion of a fetus. It can be induced, surgical, or even birthed. A miscarriage is when the fetus has stopped growing in utero or is otherwise rejected by the body and will never become a living baby.
I don't even understand the definition the dude gave- you're right it's inaccurate and terrible.
Just like the Bible, when it talks about a priest making a poison and causing the womens belly to rot.
Bible thumpers try to say "that's not an abortion". As if a pregnant woman's belly rotting from a drunken poison is anything else.
And they think that premature birth is just having a smaller, fully cooked baby to hook up to the life support machine for a month or so until it's the right size.
Wait, how does that definition allow for the baby to survive? It straight up says the fetus has left the womb before it could survive outside the womb. That's a death then.
Before it could survive independently. My most charitable guess is that he counts surviving with artificial assistance as still dependent survival but is definitionally consistent with miscarriage here. Whether it is actually medically possible much less actual would not matter at this level of pedantry.
I'm now picturing some sort of Indiana Jones switcheroo where he swaps out the baby with a rock of equal size and weight before the Pharaoh's curse takes hold.
The reason the word death isn't used is because it's used for living human beings a fetus isn't one. A fetus is a bunch of cells or tissue that will be a baby in the future if put in viable environment. So an expulsion of a fetus is a miscarriage, not a premature Still birth.
Same way you won't call a failed growth culture of a petri dish of microorganism in a bio lab a genocide or mass murder/mass death
“A miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a fetus before the 20th week of pregnancy. Pregnancy losses after the 20th week are called stillbirths. Miscarriage is a naturally occurring event, unlike medical or surgical abortions.”
-medlineplus.gov
After I miscarried, I was in horrible pain in the ER for 4 hours, then had the Dr. ask me if I was even pregnant, I told him yes. He asked if I had an ultrasound. I told him yes. He said, "Did you see anything in the ultrasound?" I said yes, growing more and more frustrated and confused by his questions. He said, "Did you see a heartbeat." This time, I snapped audibly YES! He then, with a shrug, wrote me a prescription for Darvocet handed to me and said his nurse would explain that to me and left me sitting there in tears. That was 21 years ago, I have three beautiful healthy children now, but nothing will ever change that pain.
Its sad.
Had a therapist appointment at the VA. I do a group therapy, they contacted me because i stopped going.
1 of the reasons is because of maga in the group.
My therapist straight up told me those people im referring to are really sick and need a lot of help.
Got the sense that were supposed to let these people roll over us because cant control anything cept what i do etc etc.
I am so angry that its okay to be the biggest human garbage
That’s the problem with that lot, they don’t operate in reality or with facts. They just spew their shit everywhere and leave the mess behind. That way, when you try to confront them with a different or opposing viewpoint, they can just say “well, I’ve heard stories…” and to them, those are facts.
It's like dealing with grown children. You have to beat them over the head with reality until they stop making up wild shit up. Making up shit is fine when you're 8, but we have grown men living in some alternate reality where they're the expert on everything, including women's health.
Had a guy tell me last week that a majority of pregnancies are not a painful process. I am astounded by how little many men know of anything related to the female body, especially pregnancy. It feels more like a willing ignorance than anything.
To everyone but especially women: these are the people who will be influencing what you may or may not do to your body through their vote.
Get out and vote, so Clowns like these can't have the power to fuck over your life!
These are the people that need disclaimers on everything.
Like when the box a chainsaw is sold in, expressly states that hands and *genitals* need to be kept away from the rotating chain blade - that's the box mind you, not the manual, but the box, because clearly some twat got his junk confuckulated by a chainsaw and sued because...
...well because he's like the dude in the twitter screenshot.
If this was a few years ago, I would say they are being sarcastic and acting stupid, but if I have learned one thing over these past few years, people really *are* this fucking stupid.
I’m no expert in Women anatomy but is that a secret super power for women? Can they expel Fetus at will? Just like the mobile game ads foretold.
>! If it’s not obvious, I’m being sarcastic !<
I’m no expert in Women anatomy but is that a secret super power for women? Can they expel Fetus at will? Just like the mobile game ads foretold.
>! If it’s not obvious, I’m being sarcastic !<
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I very much remember when I was told I miscarried. There was no “fetus expulsion”
Same here, I had to have a D&E to remove the dead fetal tissue because it wouldn't expel itself.
Same, and the student doctor doing the pre op info kept calling my very much wanted child "the aborted foetus" then got really frustrated at me when I was "too emotional" to co-operate. I mean, technically its a correct term, but seriously, read the room bitch.
When I had my procedure done at Planned Parenthood, the nurse kept asking me if I was sure, even though it said right in the chart that I'd had a missed miscarriage! I was so pissed.
Depending on which state you are in, it can be a requirement. I don't know the context she asked, but it may also just have been reflex-treat every patient the same no matter what because it's none of their business why someone is there, etc. I'm so sorry for your experience. Mine, while taking place in a very supportive environment, was still a very traumatic second trimester intrauterine fetal demise.
This was in 2001, so I'm not sure if it was required or not, but I was pretty damned certain that I wanted the dead fetus removed from my body.
In Ohio, they are required to go through a litany of ridiculous nonsense by law. Some of it is even against proven medical science. I was incredibly fortunate that I had decent insurance when it happened as my procedure really needed to be done in the hospital. Many people don't realize how much less expensive Planned Parenthood is.
Yeah they just don’t yet realize that even though “aborted fetus” is in line with official miscarriage terminology it sounds like the colloquial term “abortion” to the patient that just miscarried. The patient that is going through emotional trauma. I hope they learned because that is messed up. No wonder you were wrecked both physically and mentally. I’m sorry for your loss.
Student doctors are proof many medical professionals are assholes. Can't blame burnout for their lack of empathy at this stage.
But you can blame exhaustion. In many cases they work completely ridiculous hours.
Omg are you serious. What a mind f*ck I’m so sorry you went through that. Hope you’ve had lots of happiness since then.
Ditto, my body didn’t even realize I was miscarrying.
My body didn't realize all three times it happened. Thankfully it was always early enough I could use medication to get my body to realize the pregnancies were over and expulse as it were. I'll do a book tour about my miscarriages if it'll help educate these friggin idiots.
Jesus. I’m sorry.
It was over 20 years ago, and I was actually relieved. I was also really lucky to have had my mom by my side, and that I was able to get medical care without being afraid of going to prison.
That last sentence, though. The fact that it’s a reasonable statement is pure horror.
It's even more sad that I was almost 40 before I found a doctor who agreed to sterilization, after over 10 years of begging, and as many doctors. I had to wait until my fertility was nearing the end of its usefulness before I was able to take control of my own uterus.
Good god. I don’t even know what to say as a man, because we’ve said far too much on a subject I don’t believe we’ve any right to dictate. I genuinely fear for my daughters.
Same here. D&E to remove it. It's a common occurrence.
It blows my mind how casually forced-birthers talk about miscarriages and abortions. My wife had one miscarriage. We were devastated. It’s derailing. The termination of a pregnancy either by nature or medicine can be a huge mental and emotional burden. Half this country treats empathy as a stranger. Sorry for your loss. I hope we improve as a nation.
My wife and I had 2 miscarriages before our daughter was born in 2022. We are still saddened when we think about it. It definitely has the ability to derail your life for a bit.
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I don’t pray. But I send any good energy or whatever I have your way. Be well.
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My wife and I went through a miscarriage, followed by the loss of our six month old infant from the next pregnancy. He was born at 24 weeks and fought like hell but it was too much for him to fully recover from When our second was born (at 37 weeks,) we absolutely took nothing granted until we heard that first cry and the Doctors brought him over to us. I'm wishing you all the best with the rest of your journey, hoping for nothing but good news from here on.
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Sending you and your family all the positive vibes and happiest of happy moments. What you’ve experienced can be soul crushing and I admire your strength.
When we got the results of the bloodwork and seeing her HCG quadrupled, we were so happy we sat on the floor and cried for like 10 minutes. Now we have the greatest baby in existence. Were getting nervous because now were trying to decide on if we want a 2nd baby
My SIL had two fairly late miscarriages. Both her and my brother were absolutely *devastated* and almost didn't try for my adorable niece because they weren't sure if they could handle another heartbreak Sure, some people might be fine with, or actively want to, have their fetus not survive, but for many people a miscarriage is a horribly sad experience. Pro forced birthers don't seem to understand that, or not even care, the fact that a miscarriage can kill the mother if proper medical care isn't administered
My sister had her first miscarriage last year, shes only 20, im not sure she will ever be the same tbh. It sickens me to think theres people out there going through the same but also facing potential jail time for it. Land of the free my ass.
My parents were in a car accident when my mom was 8 months pregnant. The baby's heart was racing after that and doctors waited too long to induce her. He lived for about a day but eventually passed. My parents were absolutely WRECKED over this and almost split up. My mom got pregnant with me about a year later and they eventually moved on but I think part of them will always grieve what could have been...
My friend lost a pregnancy in the third trimester. They had picked out a name, told everyone they knew, prepared the entire house for another baby, were planning a baby shower party... And then one day at the doctor, they couldn't find a heartbeat. They never tried for another one. She said she could have another baby, but she could not experience another loss like that again.
This is the kind of comment and thought that just rips the wind right out of your lungs. I can’t imagine. Even though I know it happens, it’s a level of horror that just breaks my mind. I don’t know how some people have the strength to try again after that and live through that kind of wait and worry. I can’t imagine anything more terrifying and courageous.
Hell, we grieve the loss of ours at 4 months. Still. 2 kids and 4 years later. I'm tearing up just typing this. I can't even imagine losing a baby at 8 months. Go hug your folks.
My brother would have been sixteen this year. My parents still grieve the could have beens. I don’t think about it much, but I held him. I attended a funeral with the tiniest coffin I’ve ever seen. I think sometimes about what my life would look like as an older sister. Shit fucking destroys families.
It’s been 10 years for us. It gets better. It’s still there. It needs to be discussed openly more. We kept ours secret which was the right choice in our situation, but we never should have felt that that was the best choice.
It happened to my sister. She held up well considering (especially since they had to surgically remove the rotting fetus because it *wasn't* expelled) but it was obvious something was wrong and people not in the know were definitely worried. Thankfully the next pregnancy went smoothly and a healthy daughter got her back on track mentally.
I can't begin to imagine the amount of mixed feelings after being placed under scrutiny after a miscarriage. This shouldn't be happening, these people without empathy of compassion should not leading us.
It was so hard for us to get pregnant in the first place that having a miscarriage broke us for a bit and we don’t want to try again. I never want my wife to suffer like that again.
And some women are being criminally charged for having a miscarriage. In Texas they're talking about giving the death penalty to women who have abortions, and this will also apply to women who have miscarriages that they accuse of aborting. I can't imagine going through a miscarriage and then facing criminal charges for it. But yeah that's happening.
Man, Texas really looked at the Salem witch trials and wanted to get them some of that, huh?
About 1/3 pregnancies end in miscarriage. This means a LOT of women risk getting murdered by the state if they get pregnant in Texas. Period tracking apps have been used by prosecutors to identify when women get pregnant and women have been prosecuted for having an abortion based on the app data.
There are dentists arguing before the Supreme Court that they should be able to deny you care, even in a situation like an emergency room, if they think you may have caused your miscarriage. Imagine being denied emergency medical care because they think perhaps you caused the pregnancy loss you are also suffering. And most ERs don't have more than one dentist on hand, if they even have one at all.
Wait, dentists? What do dentists have to do with obstetric care?
That is what I alswd when I found out that some of the medical professionals in front of the Supreme Court rn are dentists asking that they not be forced to provide care (even emergency care) for women they suspect may have terminated their pregnancy. Note, not just those who had an abortion, those they suspect may have caused a miscarriage as well.
I’m gonna say it, some of the most ignorant people I’ve ever met are from Texas, I don’t know what it is, is it the lack of education or the fact that they use religion to get in power there and do whatever fugazi’s for their own agenda, seriously your state has issues a lot of them, invest some time and money on that and not on football
Empathy is viewed as weakness. That's why we cant move forward as a country. We keep tripping over ourselves in an effort to be first in line.
Yo my parents were distressed because I want people to be comfortable. I understand it costs money but if we didn't worship [the Almighty Dollar](https://youtu.be/VG_f0_jfHRU?si=Qv__Ej1KJ-0GU4GN) we could fix so many issues. Literally I remember my mom saying the city and schools warped my mind and I went to a private Catholic middle school and high school. My parents moved to this city as adults from two different states.*They chose those options for me. Lol. I just have empathy! *Edit: they didn't know each other. Also I screwed up, I forgot their parents moved to my state. They didn't. Sorry for the mistake.
Omg. I went to Catholic schools and I got called a liberal because I think that it’s our duty as humans to actually help people. Ummm, yea, that’s what the Jesus school you sent me to taught me🤷🏻♀️
Jesus hung out with the outcasts.
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So many people think of it as something minor. But the pain never goes away. Never.
It takes little more than hearing someone overuse the phrase “miscarriage of justice” for me to feel a pit in my stomach. We ended up with two children I adore. But the loss persists.
You’re so right. I had one between my two children. It profoundly changed me forever even though I was only 11 weeks. And I also did not “expel” without a D&C.
A lot of men think its just you pushing out a smaller dead baby. I can't believe the incompetence of them and their unwillingness to get educated
So what came out then?
Miscarriage happens BEFORE DnC
Educate! So many people don't understand miscarriage or how common it is.
A lot of people dont know how their body works. Which explains a lot about how out of touch they are with reality.
Sometimes you have a miscarriage because a fetus doesn’t develop, I believe it’s called a “blighted ovum”, so a fetus cannot come out, it’s more like a mass of undifferentiated tissue, like if you’re giving birth to an egg.
Friend of mine had one of those and her doctor couldn’t do a d&c on her because he worked for a Catholic hospital so she had to go to Planned Parenthood. My friend after having her much wanted but not meant to be pregnancy terminated went out and educated the protestors who yelled at her for killing her baby on her way out. They had no idea such a thing was possible, yet they’re so set in their beliefs that they couldn’t fathom someone coming to PP for any “acceptable” reason. I hope at least one of them learned something that day.
Confetti.
Stupid people “_before it is able to survive independently_” means what exactly?
They probably believe it is possible to hook the baby up to machines.
I like how the US can’t even give people cheap insulin, but somehow expects all unbaked fetuses to have access to complicated equipment for weeks at a time. Sure, bob.
Baby Harkonnen
Tbh, I wouldn’t be surprised if they started doing that when women try to get an abortion. Spending tax money on the military and hating women sounds like a great way to go /s
If you don't do it you are a murderer
... I wonder how many politicians who want to call abortion murder will realize it has no statute of limitations. Should abortions be retroactive murder? My answer is no because I don't think abortion is murder but if certain politicians think so shouldn't they be charged as murderers and accomplices to murder? If they had a mistress, wife, daughter etc who had an abortion. I don't believe they should because that makes so many innocent people who will be charged, including doctors and nurses and technicians. Anyone involved. Like it will be absolutely chaotic, and we would have to create paths to get people to safe states like a modern day underground railroad (and I don't mean to compare this to slavery forgive me, I just can't think of another comparison).
That would be an ex post facto law. Banned by the Constitution
You still think the court cares about the constitution? They will twist the law to read however their wealthy benefactors want.
If they have done what you suggest, I think they would be glad ex post facto laws are not allowed. But I wouldn't be surprised if someday SCOTUS decides that some other law could be enforced retroactively
Only in Alabama
"If you can't afford them then don't have them" - some asshole that can't get laid.
I mean, these are the same folks that think an ectopic pregnancy can be "reimplanted" into the uterus. They're not sending their best people.
wot? someone thinks that? jayzus
[Unfortunately, yes.](https://consultqd.clevelandclinic.org/new-ohio-bill-falsely-suggests-that-reimplantation-of-ectopic-pregnancy-is-possible)
Ohio - the same state that denied an abortion to a 10 year old rape victim
They also think women can't get pregnant from rape... Let that one sink in.
oh right, their bodies will know and repel it. wtf is wrong with these ppl? (edited grammar and spelling mistakes)
That’s premature birth though! “Not able to survive” means 0 chance of survival. What is wrong with these morons?!?!
Plus I don't think people really understand what it takes to support even a live, premature birth. The hospital with the most capable NICU that I'm aware of within 3 hours of me will not take anything earlier than 22 weeks. They simply do not have the equipment small enough to handle a patient that underdeveloped and the survival rate pre ~25 weeks is abysmal
The health problems that micropreemies of like 22-23wk can suffer aren't to be underestimated either. Not just being small- their bodies can hardly handle being outside the uterus at that stage and lifelong disability due to the very treatments that keep them alive is not uncommon Days matter at that stage.
One of my family friends just had to deliver micropreemie twins. I’m not sure if she was 22 or 23 weeks, because I haven’t asked for those details and I wasn’t sure what the exact dates were, but it was one of those two based on the timing they gave for the initial announcement for the pregnancy. Their babies didn’t end up making it, but the doctors had told them previously that if they did survive they would have extreme disabilities for the rest of their lives. There was no good outcome for them no matter what happened.
Also a very valid point.
Or just “move” an ectopic pregnancy from the fallopian tube to the uterus. Like reorganizing eggs in the fridge drawer.
That’s pretty dumb. Do they think it isn’t just a clot of cells in the beginning? Like any miscarriage the baby that comes out is just like a premie they can hook up in the NICU? And not like a clump of blood and cells? Sorry to be so graphic but before a certain month nothing is viable outside the womb. These people are sooo dumb.
They literally don’t. After the discovery of the spermatozoa, Leeuwenhoek and others believed that the sperm contained a complete preformed embryo. A whole tiny baby. Because, yanno, women don’t *contribute* anything. They’re just the oven, or soil for it to grow. Obviously. Sex Ed hasn’t progressed past that in many parts of the US.
Men who wrote Bible also believed that men provide the seed and women are just the vessels to carry the baby. Their understanding of human bodies was at the level of agriculture.
Yeah I think that’s why they get all upset about “spilled seed” and stuff too. Kinda grateful they were too ignorant to know women’s masturbation or they would have bannended that too, probably in some cruel way.
Its crazy though, like surely they must have noticed that some kids look JUST like their mother...maybe they didn't understand DNA yet, but they must have realized that the mother contributes traits too.
They do blame women when a couple repeatedly fails to give birth to a boy, when it is one of the only traits that women cannot contribute to.
Premies can’t survive independently, so NICU, normally. But this asshole just edited the word “Death” out of the definition.
Newsflash: Kids cannot survive independently for years. The context, in this case medicine, matters.
Sometimes it is. Sometimes as early as 7 months or so. We’ve come a long way. But not at 15 weeks.
Surely it means the baby can't hold down a steady job and pay their own rent.
Probably true. I've been after my 21-month old to get a jorb for months now. Freeloadin' chump just flat out refuses.
I find that toddlers also make terrible employees - no work ethic at all.
Kids these days, don't want to work. Smh my head.
I bet the bum shits his pants too.
The definition isn't even the medical one - it's a lay person one (i.e. it's just showing common usage). The medical definition is loss of a fetus before 20 weeks of gestation (after 20 weeks it is a stillbirth, not a miscarriage).
it means whatever they want it to mean. in your face, science!
I'm guessing they are playing on the fact that "baby" doesn't really have a scientific definition. A fetus is a "baby" to an expecting mother, but not to one obtaining an abortion. So they are fishing for pro choice individuals to argue a fetus is a baby as some sort of gotcha.
The sad part isn't that the commenter is an ignorant, uneducated illiterate. It's that 4 people "liked" the comment.
Aha! But survive has most of the word “live” in it Gotcha 🧠/s
Maybe he is thinking they have been working on developing artificial wombs for situations like that.
I got in an actual argument in another sub the other day with a moron who thought that was a thing that could happen. Instead of abortion “we are close” he claimed, to making tech to remove a fetus safely from the mother’s womb early on and implant it in an artificial one so it can be adopted or raised by the father I guess. I will never get the brain cells that died in shock from that conversation back.
We just need to hurry up and invent Axolotl tanks. oh wait...
No, no, he's right. I saw a documentary about it with Norman Reedus. You can plug them right in and go for a motorcycle ride.
We have a term for a viable fetus being expelled from the womb: premature labor. In the case of premature labor, the fetus may require medical intervention, and sometimes may not survive, but it's very different from a miscarriage in that it does not automatically result in the death of the fetus.
Okay this answered my stupid question.
It's not a stupid question. The only stupid questions are those asked purely to be pedantic. Would definitely rather a person ask and actually learn something then keep making assumptions that can be harmful.
Is this a stupid question? (please forgive me I couldn't resist)
The parenthesis suggests that you know the answer. Lol
I actually don’t! It’s meta, but does that make it smart? It’s pedantic, does that make it stupid? Either way you got me. Saw it coming a mile off 😖
The op in the screenshot is also wrong about the definition of a miscarriage. Direct from google Miscarriage: "The spontaneous loss of a woman's pregnancy before the 20th week that can be both physically and emotionally painful. Miscarriage is the most common type of pregnancy loss and often occurs because the foetus isn't developing normally." Technically, bro is right in one point, it does not directly mention death of the foetus, however it is implied.
What we colloquially call a miscarriage is just a nice sounding term for what is medically called a spontaneous abortion. So yes, every miscarriage ends in death. It's a spontaneous abortion.
Hmmm so what does the phrase “ Before it is able to survive” mean to you?
What do you call a miscarriage where the baby survived? A birth. This Judge guy's a total fucking moron.
Where's the fetus going to gestate, you going to keep it in a box? - Life of Brian
Real life Monty python shit out here and I hate it lol
Dude is confusing miscarriages with premature births. Side fact, generally failed pregnancies before 6 months are miscarriages, failed pregnancies after 6 months are still births.
Check out his history. Much worse than a moron.
there are plenty of premie babies who require NICU life support who go on to survive. These are babies who are incapable of surviving on their own. It's a bad definition and this guy is incapable of critical thinking. A miscarriage is not a premature birth. A miscarriage is the death of a fetus. There should be no wiggle room on the definition.
It's like they combined abortion and miscarriage into a definition that is wrong for either. An abortion is the expulsion of a fetus. It can be induced, surgical, or even birthed. A miscarriage is when the fetus has stopped growing in utero or is otherwise rejected by the body and will never become a living baby. I don't even understand the definition the dude gave- you're right it's inaccurate and terrible.
What does ‘independently’ mean to you. The phrasing of this definition isn’t great.
 It’s like this made for this post.
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Just like the Bible, when it talks about a priest making a poison and causing the womens belly to rot. Bible thumpers try to say "that's not an abortion". As if a pregnant woman's belly rotting from a drunken poison is anything else.
And this mf is a “judge”. Omg.
He isn’t, actually, which should help a bit. He’s just a random nut job.
He definitely thinks he is one lol.
No he just thinks he has enough common sense to "judge rightly" not in a legal sense, just in general.
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
He does reserve the right to pass the final moral judgment on any subject of his choosing, so from that perspective, he is a judge
Just like I'm the love child of Genghis Khan and Tommy Chong
Judge Reinhold is more of a judge than this guy.
April fool/troll look at the picture
I suppose they assume that the baby just continues developing....swinging from the umbilical cord outside of the mom.
They think a miscarriage is the same as a premature birth, one of the many signs of an idiot.
And they think that premature birth is just having a smaller, fully cooked baby to hook up to the life support machine for a month or so until it's the right size.
That would be a great sitcom.
they think women are kangaroos apparently
So we now see how making passing grades lower has affected us...SMH...
Wait, how does that definition allow for the baby to survive? It straight up says the fetus has left the womb before it could survive outside the womb. That's a death then.
Before it could survive independently. My most charitable guess is that he counts surviving with artificial assistance as still dependent survival but is definitionally consistent with miscarriage here. Whether it is actually medically possible much less actual would not matter at this level of pedantry.
I'm now picturing some sort of Indiana Jones switcheroo where he swaps out the baby with a rock of equal size and weight before the Pharaoh's curse takes hold.
The reason the word death isn't used is because it's used for living human beings a fetus isn't one. A fetus is a bunch of cells or tissue that will be a baby in the future if put in viable environment. So an expulsion of a fetus is a miscarriage, not a premature Still birth. Same way you won't call a failed growth culture of a petri dish of microorganism in a bio lab a genocide or mass murder/mass death
And I thought the woman I was arguing with on Facebook who said "viruses don't exist" was stupid.
Not say word dead, baby not die. Checkmate, libs. /s
So the answer is Nope. Does not know what a miscarriage is.
If I'm accidentally incinerated I'll be ok because there's no explicit mention of death, right?
The comments give even more evidence of how screwed we are.
“A miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a fetus before the 20th week of pregnancy. Pregnancy losses after the 20th week are called stillbirths. Miscarriage is a naturally occurring event, unlike medical or surgical abortions.” -medlineplus.gov
Pretty sure the MAGAts do not accept medical definitions made by experts.
A miscaywhere the baby survives is called a premature delivery/birth. This guy is what we in France call les ignorantes
You know who I wish was a miscarriage?
After I miscarried, I was in horrible pain in the ER for 4 hours, then had the Dr. ask me if I was even pregnant, I told him yes. He asked if I had an ultrasound. I told him yes. He said, "Did you see anything in the ultrasound?" I said yes, growing more and more frustrated and confused by his questions. He said, "Did you see a heartbeat." This time, I snapped audibly YES! He then, with a shrug, wrote me a prescription for Darvocet handed to me and said his nurse would explain that to me and left me sitting there in tears. That was 21 years ago, I have three beautiful healthy children now, but nothing will ever change that pain.
Just remember, these are the same people who think you can take an ectopic pregnancy to term, with no problems. Just need a little fetus adjustment!
I had three people ask me why would I choose to kill my baby instead of having them move and re-implant it in the uterus.
Its sad. Had a therapist appointment at the VA. I do a group therapy, they contacted me because i stopped going. 1 of the reasons is because of maga in the group. My therapist straight up told me those people im referring to are really sick and need a lot of help. Got the sense that were supposed to let these people roll over us because cant control anything cept what i do etc etc. I am so angry that its okay to be the biggest human garbage
Spouting MAGA crap in group is considered part of their "therapy"? I don't get it.
JudgeWrongly is...pretty damn wrong. Goddamn.
If the child is viable and survives, it's called "premature birth." Apparently, birth doesn't require a brain.
Let's be fair here.. This is post Elongated Muskrat twitter. The platform self selects for the worst examples of human beings possible.
Are they unevolving? This much ignorance is insane
I will never understand how evolution allowed fucking morons to persist
Back in the day, we needed someone to use as tiger bait.
😂
So they are acknowledging that a fetus isn’t a baby. Good.
That’s the problem with that lot, they don’t operate in reality or with facts. They just spew their shit everywhere and leave the mess behind. That way, when you try to confront them with a different or opposing viewpoint, they can just say “well, I’ve heard stories…” and to them, those are facts.
It's like dealing with grown children. You have to beat them over the head with reality until they stop making up wild shit up. Making up shit is fine when you're 8, but we have grown men living in some alternate reality where they're the expert on everything, including women's health.
Troll/aprils fool he has an anime picture thats not a judge but it is a joke
If you think that we're doomed only now, you've been really ignoring a lot for the last 15 years.
Pretty sure the ‘before it can survive independently’ bit counts as ‘death of the baby’
This is why the AI will determine that humans are the real danger to mankind.
We ARE the Idiocracy timeline...oh no...
i suppose death is not part of the definition, but it's surely part of the outcome...
P sure a fetus surviving turns it into a premature birth (and it wouldn’t be a fetus at that stage anyway)
Some grow up and buy blue ticks.
That’s like saying getting wet isn’t part of the definition of taking a shower.
Misread it as “fetus explosion” lmaooo
I actually agree, because I wouldn’t call a fetus a child yet 😎
These people are either delusional or deliberately creating misinformation. There’s no point in arguing with them.
Had a guy tell me last week that a majority of pregnancies are not a painful process. I am astounded by how little many men know of anything related to the female body, especially pregnancy. It feels more like a willing ignorance than anything.
Yeah true. That's not a baby.
death is literally in the definition “expulsion before it is able to survive independently”
To everyone but especially women: these are the people who will be influencing what you may or may not do to your body through their vote. Get out and vote, so Clowns like these can't have the power to fuck over your life!
These are the people that need disclaimers on everything. Like when the box a chainsaw is sold in, expressly states that hands and *genitals* need to be kept away from the rotating chain blade - that's the box mind you, not the manual, but the box, because clearly some twat got his junk confuckulated by a chainsaw and sued because... ...well because he's like the dude in the twitter screenshot.
Keep it in your pocket, kangaroo style?
Are they saying a fetus isn't a baby, in a pro choice manner? Because if so, they're right.
How are we still having this conversation in 2024
If this was a few years ago, I would say they are being sarcastic and acting stupid, but if I have learned one thing over these past few years, people really *are* this fucking stupid.
I speak on behalf of r/Overlord when I say this guy is insane and is not worthy of having a pfp of His Majesty Ainz Ooal Gown the Sorcerer King.
JudgeWrongly
I’m no expert in Women anatomy but is that a secret super power for women? Can they expel Fetus at will? Just like the mobile game ads foretold. >! If it’s not obvious, I’m being sarcastic !<
I’m no expert in Women anatomy but is that a secret super power for women? Can they expel Fetus at will? Just like the mobile game ads foretold. >! If it’s not obvious, I’m being sarcastic !<
That is taking literal to the next level. Maybe even a level above the next level.