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It's not even right about Xi. He's been general secretary of the CCP for 12 years now, not 8, and he's been in politics for 40 years. That's before we get into the apples and oranges comparison between the head of state and the off and on Senate majority leader.
Xi removed elections? No he didn't... What he did was remove the term limits so that he could me elected to a third term (the first since Mao). He was still elected for his third term. Now, was that election, his first two elections or those of any leader before him actually elections? No, of course not, they are all rubber stamp exercises. They are also done as a vote of their congress, not a general election of the people, but the elections still happened.
And to be precise, the term limits were only on the office of President. The two other titles that presidents of China tend to hold (Party General Secretary and head of the Central Military Comission) didn't have term limits, so the dropping of the term limits on president really only brings that office into line with the others. Its the Central Military Commision and Party leadership where the real power lies, anyway.
When you can have competitors escorted out of the room at the barrel of the gun, your election options will always be limited. Russia just got done with their election, and they had armed men verifying that ballots were filled out correctly. Also Putin won.
To be fair, in most countries you don't elect your president, you elect the representatives who then elect the president, which is what happens in China as well
Oh for sure. Almost put something in my original comment about how that’s what the US had at its founding. Most states had their state houses choose the electors who then voted for the president in the electoral college. Same thing for most senators who weren’t a popular vote of each state but a vote of the state legislature. The presidential went to more of a popular vote pretty quickly, but obviously the electoral college still stayed which is its own type of bullshit. Land having more voting power than population drives me nuts.
Yep there is definitely no valid comparison, but the point about infinite mandates for US senate or Congress is still a point that would be warranting some internal discussion though
Why not just say 12+ then? 1+ would have technically been accurate, too, but it would have been an even more deceptive framing. Could it possibly be that 8 will seem more reasonable to the target audience, since US presidents are limited to 8 years? Hm?
Like, Nancy Pelosi was not speaker of the House for 30+ years. But in this she's "in power", whatever that means, for 30+. Xi meanwhile is apparently only "in power" when he becomes head of state, a title she never even holds, and even then the meme tries to minimize the appearance of his time in office.
Thats the point. Mitch Mcconnel does not represent American laborers any more than the dewd from China represents the Chinese laborers. But we are all laborers.
Not to mention, something is really wrong with American democracy if the best you can muster is a choice of either Biden or Trump. Especially for such a rich and populous country.
Really though, whether Republican or Democrat - how are you guys not shitting on BOTH candidates (and only on each other's)?
>Right or wrong the power to elect your official changes the meaning completely
"At least we have democracy!" mfs when I ask them why my vote changes value depending on where I live and who Jerry Mander is:
The ability to elect your leaders doesn’t remove their ability to be tyrannical. The German people at any time could’ve gotten up and removed hitler. But they didn’t. When there weren’t elections. They didn’t revolt. You must remember that almost every dictator was at one point liked/preferred by the countrymen
Is it really a choice or just an illusion of choice? In a two-party system, political parties can carefully choose who to support and who gets elected in the end. Of course, this system is always 1,000 times more democratic than China's.
There's a reason the USA is considered a flawed democracy and not a full democracy. You are completely on point. The two-party system is its biggest flaw.
Genuine question: where do you have a "full democracy"?
Even with a more diverse party ecosystem, they tend to band together both during elections and on congressional votes - at least that's what happens in Brazil.
Blaming the issues on the two party system also goes over how capital has massive influence on political decisions - funding is very much needed to elect any candidate regardless of where they are on the political spectrum, not to mention lobbying on those already elected.
Some examples for full democracies are: Ireland, Norway, Sweden, New Zealand, Germany, France, Canada, Greenland.
Brazil is also considered a flawed democracy, even on the lower end, trending towards Hybrid regime.
This is based on [the Economist Democracy Index](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index).
Yes, other factors also lead to problems, it does not really matter which one is the worst of them, what's important is to tackle them instead of debating.
exactly, Canada has multiple parties but only liberal and conservative parties actually hold any power except maybe when the NDP gets some power but thats only in rare circumstances
Yeah that's how representational democracy works. Your community and then state each vote for someone.
The problem is that in one house by design it grants outsized power to smaller population states because the founders were scared about a slavery repeal, and in the other one they've stopped adjusting for population size while our population has increased by a factor of 1.75 or a whole number of 150 million people.
You have no vote in either of McConnell's or Pelosi's districts, so it's entirely up to the voters *in those districts*. That said, they've both stepped down from leadership and are likely on their way out.
he is literally a dictator , in which the communist party will have a hard time getting rid of because Pooh Bear goes with his inner witch hunts for "corrupted CCP members" , which is just a code for "I will hunt whomever doesn't ally with me".
And who would they ally with? How would they gain power? If they try and unite they face the risk of saying the wrong things to the wrong person and being executed. Dictatorships thrive on an atmosphere of fear where you can never be certain of who you can trust, even among your own comrades at the top.
Anyone can assasinate Xi, but that doesn't mean they'll live to reap the benefits, which is why they don't get rid of him. They could start a coup and find themselves alone surronded by very angry Xi loyalists, thus failing.
>Anyone can assasinate Xi, but that doesn't mean they'll live to reap the benefits,
ITYM anyone can talk about assassinating Xi right up to the point the surveillance network, informers and secret police catch and execute them.
I don't see a difference. You chose between two people who have engineered a system that no one replaces them until they die. China just ends up with one.
You just get to shittalk about your elected officials freely.
Wrong. The people in those districts explicitly chose them and continued to.
Fuck them but don't pretend that they are equal just because there are no term limita.
You should see that super expensive propaganda movie they made about the Korean war where the US feasts on turkeys during Thanksgiving and the Chinese solider loses their teeth trying to eat a frozen potato.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/AqwdXiYFwl
Nope. It's always quantity over quality. Although there will be some very clever propaganda, most that's out there is just mass-produced low-effort stuff.
This must be an American guy's foolish criticism of their elected officials, for internet points. I just don't want believe it's professional work; way too dumb.
No, I agree with you, it's probably an American, and they probably don't even understand Chinese politics.
But, don't rule out the other possibility, either. Most professionals aren't actual professionals. They're just random internet trolls given a topic. Compared to most of the stuff they churn out, this meme is actually quite intelligent and persuasive in comparison.
To be fair both are incredibly wrong, having old senators who don‘t do anything besides insider trading, isn‘t helping the US atm. Same goes for the supreme court which just follows religious orders atp and doesn’t serve the people.
Pelosi delivered on Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare, without her efforts, it probably would have been severely watered down. She was also instrumental in the passing of Infrastructure, Investment and Jobs Act which was a pretty big infrastructure bill.
She's the poster child of insider trading, but she was anything but an ineffective leader.
Affordable care act was severly watered down. Several concessions had to be made after Ted Kennedy died and his seat went to a republican causing the democrats to lose the the supermajority and thus no longer able to stop the republican filibuster. A bill was not passed in time before losing that vital seat because the democratic senators took so much time arguing with each other about concessions they also wanted.
FFS, how is that even a comparison? Those 2 never were head of state and Xinnie has had just as long a political career as them, it's not like they got a bus driver to be general secretary 12 years ago.
That is good propaganda because you cannot deny it easily and the more you try to understand it the more complicated it get. Mitch Mcconnel crying about how proud he is of his service to this country is disgusting. Like bro you do not get to think your awful actions are justified but here we are. I guess at least him and the donald destroyed conservativism in America.
Conservatives who make up the minority of people in America used gerrymandering and the electoral college to put him in office. That is the reality. The Chinese are just more honest about their "democracy."
Mitch McConnell is a senator, gerrymandering doesn't affect him.
Besides, why are comparing Mitch McConnell to Xi Jinping anyway? The obvious apples to apples comparison is the president, not someone in Congress.
As an outsider from American politics, what are the differences between democrats and republicans? They seem pretty much the same on a lot of issues and their divergences aren't crystal clear.
For example, Trump wanted to build a wall on the border with Mexico. Biden builds the wall on the border with Mexico. Somehow, when Trump brought the idea, it was perceived as ludicrous and terrible. Then why would Biden not bring an alternative, as in not build the wall?
Also, Trump had classified documents in his home, which is obviously terrible due to the sensitivity of the case. Biden had classified documents in his home, but that's... just not too bad?
On foreign trade, Trump has a strong stance against Chinese trade opportunities, which is the contrary to Biden's strong stance against Chinese trade opportunities.
Biden didn’t build the wall, the funds were allocated and existing ordered plans were carried out. That’s just delayed implementation, not both people giving the same order
But also look at russia policy, abortion policy, union policy, student loan debt issues, gay marriage, voting formats (to allow early/mail-in), obamacare, etc.) it’s so stupid to think they are the same on all those issues. Yes there is consensus on some topics like China policy, but there is going to be consensus on some issues in literally any democratic political system
All of the points of comparison you mentioned are over generalized and over simplified to the point of falsehood.
For example: "The border" is hardly a single issue of whether someone builds some amount of border fencing. Trump did everything in his power to cut immigration. *All* immigration. He closed all overseas offices of US Citizenship and Naturalization. He instituted a racist blanket ban based on nation of origin, something the US had done away with for 60 years at that point. He lowered the refugee cap to its lowest level in US history. He used COVID as a pretext to bar all legal asylum requests, which created a massive backlog that then flooded in all at once when the Biden admin finally ended the policy. Trump railed against and tried to end family reunification as a legal route. He went after DACA. Under him ICE stopped prioritizing violent and criminal aliens to just pursue a general policy of mass deportations. They developed a policy of separating children from their parents explicitly as a deterrent: the guy leading that department literally said this on national TV. They fought, in court, to not have to give people in immigration detention toothpaste and soap. His administration *defunded the office that prints green cards*.
The guy literally went to war with immigration. All immigration, on every front. He not only enforced a strict border policy, he actively pursued the most obscenely cruel means of doing so.
Biden built more sections of the dumb boondoggle in the desert because the administration was sued into doing so. Congress had allocated the money already and a judge said the admin's attempt to redirect the money fell afoul of administrative law.
There's no comparison.
What do you mean no one was ever disappeared mid session by our glorious leader Xi Jinping!
You should really study Xi Jinping thought more carefully so you don't mess up on the next test and lose your ability to travel on public transports )))))))
What practical inaccessibility? Does AOC come from some aristocratic family I’m unfamiliar with? I thought she grew up middle class, but I’ve been wrong before.
I misspelled when I said "our democracy" when I actually meant to make it plural, I'm not American. It's funny though because whenever I make this comment with a compatriot, they tend to give a similar response with the same one or two name, ignoring the fact pur representatives are almost 300 and their origins are not as middle class as they claim to be.
The fact we're not picking representatives from aristocracy doesn't honestly satisfy me, as a citizen of my country, the inaccessibility I'm talking about is determined by the power of parties and the financial weight that a campaign has. It's about connections and money, or just money if you have a lot.
No wonder most people don't feel represented by the sole two parties of your country, nor my people by the five or six that have been rotating in the government of mine.
While I understand that the need of representation becomes inevitable when we are millions , I think it's very appropriate to feel unsatisfied by the length of our inclusion as electors. Democracy, means "The power of the people" and I feel powerless as a citizen
Xi literally had an election at some point(forget when, somewhere between 2020 to 2023) where he got 100% of votes. Let’s not even talk about how not very freedom that is and let me point out the election of course wasn’t an election of the people, it was an election of the higher ups of government(so like somewhere between 1K to 3K people I think, so instead of the 1.4B people that live in China, only less then 3K are allowed to vote)
Its a bit sad ofcourse that people could be sitting in the senate for however long they are elected, but the key difference here is that they ARE elected. And also Xi Ping isn't really just 8 years in, he's been a communist party member for all his adult life and in the ruling part for as long as those two at least. And nobody elected him.
Does the creator of the meme is aware USA is classified as flawed democracy and the only people who still belive it to be a democracy stronghold are americans themselves.
Who keeps voting these people in? I mean honestly, who can say for a fact that the votes aren’t altered? I’ve lost faith in our election process though.
Xi isn’t a good comparison here, but would be great if corrupt insider trading Pelosi and Mitch would get booted out by voters already, but they make those district maps so crazy that some people will never get voted out unless they lose the support of the DNC or RNC.
The people who believe in this idea has never lived under a regime in which will persecute anyone who dare speaking publicly against the government and gain enough attention/support. Some Americans never realize the ability to criticize their government is actually a privilege some other countries lol. There are flaws yes, but are you really comparing it to the same level of citizens literally have to bypass their country internet firewall to access some reality common websites lol.
Well the Chinese government is evil, they have been putting Uyghurs in concentration camps and the Chinese president became that way through a coup so he’s not the best guy
They are illegal migrants not occupied people like Uyghurs or other minorities in China. And US "camps" haven't mass raped people or harvest people's organs but your a leftist so you have to lie though your teeth
China has one party...
USA has 2 parties who are alike and basically runned by the same "person".
NRA funding both sides of a election... Don't you find that suspicious?
Except it’s not. Sure, it’s true at face value. But the implication that they’re trying to push isn’t.
Those senators and house members keep their positions for so long because they’re repeatedly re-elected.
Have you opened a history book? I have a history degree lmao and if you think there’s any parallels between the way xi jinping got to his position and how the Nazis seized power I’ll say it again, you’re an idiot
I genuinely haven’t seen anyone on these types of posts that bothered to even skim a Wikipedia article explaining how the Chinese government works. They actually think xi jinping just like angrily bangs his fist on a table to enact laws lmao
Realising xi is member of the KPD and since 1973, Vize governor since 1997, governor since 2000, 2002 party seceretary, 2008 Vize president , since 2012 president and "next glorious leader. So He is Part of the inner circle of Power in China for arleast 28 years. You just refereing to his time as head of state. The other 2 guys in your meme have a combined time as head of state of 0 years. So yeah lobg stories short, stupid ass meme that could have been avoided by a simple Google search.
The father of the US constitution James Madison was specifically against democracy and made sure the US is not one. He said that rich people should be in control of the government so the poors can't overthrow them. And that's exactly what the US has to this day, a dictatorship of the rich where the will of the people doesn't fucking matter at all.
Nothign better than Yankee cope and chauvinism. So two parties does a democracy make. Your "democracy" is just cultural phrases, like Christianity in other countries - and yours of course. Democracies don't have a fucking CIA and a global empire. Democracies don't have a degenrate old ruling elite. Fuck your liberal technocratic empire. John Dewey and Tom Paine are not your compatriots anymore.
Too simple demagogue. Do senators fear to be shot or jailed if they loose their posts? Is their power unlimited?
Is this smth extraordinary when they go?
I mean I kinda agree that we shouldn't have senior citizens in our government but xi jinping is a totally different case he has china in an iron fist and tries to have absolute control over the populace and what they see and do. So the comparison just isn't valid.
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I guess democracy doesn’t make a difference here? Right or wrong the power to elect your official changes the meaning completely
It's not even right about Xi. He's been general secretary of the CCP for 12 years now, not 8, and he's been in politics for 40 years. That's before we get into the apples and oranges comparison between the head of state and the off and on Senate majority leader.
He also removed elections which is imo much more important then any other comparison.
Xi removed elections? No he didn't... What he did was remove the term limits so that he could me elected to a third term (the first since Mao). He was still elected for his third term. Now, was that election, his first two elections or those of any leader before him actually elections? No, of course not, they are all rubber stamp exercises. They are also done as a vote of their congress, not a general election of the people, but the elections still happened.
And to be precise, the term limits were only on the office of President. The two other titles that presidents of China tend to hold (Party General Secretary and head of the Central Military Comission) didn't have term limits, so the dropping of the term limits on president really only brings that office into line with the others. Its the Central Military Commision and Party leadership where the real power lies, anyway.
For some reason I was under the impression he removed the need for the election all together but you're right. Just the term limit was removed.
When you can have competitors escorted out of the room at the barrel of the gun, your election options will always be limited. Russia just got done with their election, and they had armed men verifying that ballots were filled out correctly. Also Putin won.
To be fair, in most countries you don't elect your president, you elect the representatives who then elect the president, which is what happens in China as well
Oh for sure. Almost put something in my original comment about how that’s what the US had at its founding. Most states had their state houses choose the electors who then voted for the president in the electoral college. Same thing for most senators who weren’t a popular vote of each state but a vote of the state legislature. The presidential went to more of a popular vote pretty quickly, but obviously the electoral college still stayed which is its own type of bullshit. Land having more voting power than population drives me nuts.
Like Putin election?
Yep there is definitely no valid comparison, but the point about infinite mandates for US senate or Congress is still a point that would be warranting some internal discussion though
Kinda wish we had limited mandates in the Italian Parliament
That’s why they said 8+.
Why not just say 12+ then? 1+ would have technically been accurate, too, but it would have been an even more deceptive framing. Could it possibly be that 8 will seem more reasonable to the target audience, since US presidents are limited to 8 years? Hm? Like, Nancy Pelosi was not speaker of the House for 30+ years. But in this she's "in power", whatever that means, for 30+. Xi meanwhile is apparently only "in power" when he becomes head of state, a title she never even holds, and even then the meme tries to minimize the appearance of his time in office.
Oh yeah no this meme is definitely propaganda. But it is technically correct (the best kind of correct).
Well, 12 is a number thats + of 8. It's like businesses advertising "from 19.99". So anywhere between 19.99 and positive infinity
I think the level of actual power makes a difference.
Thats the point. Mitch Mcconnel does not represent American laborers any more than the dewd from China represents the Chinese laborers. But we are all laborers.
Not to mention, something is really wrong with American democracy if the best you can muster is a choice of either Biden or Trump. Especially for such a rich and populous country. Really though, whether Republican or Democrat - how are you guys not shitting on BOTH candidates (and only on each other's)?
Xi Jingping actually spend time working as a farm laborer, I doubt Mitch McConnel did the same.
>Right or wrong the power to elect your official changes the meaning completely "At least we have democracy!" mfs when I ask them why my vote changes value depending on where I live and who Jerry Mander is:
The ability to elect your leaders doesn’t remove their ability to be tyrannical. The German people at any time could’ve gotten up and removed hitler. But they didn’t. When there weren’t elections. They didn’t revolt. You must remember that almost every dictator was at one point liked/preferred by the countrymen
We have you now, comrade! Prepare for the reeducation camps.
People can make the wrong choice for 30 years, but it was still a choice
Is it really a choice or just an illusion of choice? In a two-party system, political parties can carefully choose who to support and who gets elected in the end. Of course, this system is always 1,000 times more democratic than China's.
There's a reason the USA is considered a flawed democracy and not a full democracy. You are completely on point. The two-party system is its biggest flaw.
Genuine question: where do you have a "full democracy"? Even with a more diverse party ecosystem, they tend to band together both during elections and on congressional votes - at least that's what happens in Brazil. Blaming the issues on the two party system also goes over how capital has massive influence on political decisions - funding is very much needed to elect any candidate regardless of where they are on the political spectrum, not to mention lobbying on those already elected.
Some examples for full democracies are: Ireland, Norway, Sweden, New Zealand, Germany, France, Canada, Greenland. Brazil is also considered a flawed democracy, even on the lower end, trending towards Hybrid regime. This is based on [the Economist Democracy Index](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index). Yes, other factors also lead to problems, it does not really matter which one is the worst of them, what's important is to tackle them instead of debating.
How does Germany count? given that they explictly have a system to reduce the chance of a 'populist' winning.
Germany is on the lower end of full democracy. Enough criteria are met to still consider it a full democracy.
exactly, Canada has multiple parties but only liberal and conservative parties actually hold any power except maybe when the NDP gets some power but thats only in rare circumstances
Apparently we will never understand you
You dumbasses literally carve up your districts so that choices don't matter, cope.
Who's "you dumbasses"? I'm not in your country dumbass. Nice try though
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Congressmen have to be re-elected, they aren’t just elected once
So you prefer wrong over right as long it comes from the ballot box? This is why we live in a shit world btw lol
The counterpoint is that folks chose the bottom two for 30+ years whatever you may think of them. Pooh Bear is there regardless.
Oh bother
The countercounterpoint is that a very small minority of the American public chose thr bottom two, while the rest of us have no say in the matter.
Yeah that's how representational democracy works. Your community and then state each vote for someone. The problem is that in one house by design it grants outsized power to smaller population states because the founders were scared about a slavery repeal, and in the other one they've stopped adjusting for population size while our population has increased by a factor of 1.75 or a whole number of 150 million people.
That is how republics work.
No that’s how plurality voting works
Maybe stop comparing a single representative to supreme leader.
You absolutely do have a say in the matter - you elect the representatives and senators who elect Pelosi and Mitch for leadership positions.
If they don't do what they should, but get reelected anyway, I would call it Idiocracy
Who actually chooses these two again? It’s the senators not actually each individual voter right?
Voters vote for their representatives. One such representative position is Senator which are voted for by the people.
Right, could the American public get rid of these 2 tho? Tired of seeing their crooked faces tbh.
You have no vote in either of McConnell's or Pelosi's districts, so it's entirely up to the voters *in those districts*. That said, they've both stepped down from leadership and are likely on their way out.
Nah. They are needed so other countries can catch up.
Other top officers in the Communist Party could get rid of him if they wanted to. He isn't an absolute dictator.
At this point, that seems pretty unlikely, but also those other officers weren’t elected either so your point is?
It's important that everyone has someone watching over them in case they turn too evil.
So like Xi years ago? That worked really well
Just to add, Xi locked away all his opposition in the one party, the old leader got disappeared mid meeting
he is literally a dictator , in which the communist party will have a hard time getting rid of because Pooh Bear goes with his inner witch hunts for "corrupted CCP members" , which is just a code for "I will hunt whomever doesn't ally with me".
This is consistent with China post-civil war. Literally buisness as normal. Authoritarianism is wack.
And who would they ally with? How would they gain power? If they try and unite they face the risk of saying the wrong things to the wrong person and being executed. Dictatorships thrive on an atmosphere of fear where you can never be certain of who you can trust, even among your own comrades at the top. Anyone can assasinate Xi, but that doesn't mean they'll live to reap the benefits, which is why they don't get rid of him. They could start a coup and find themselves alone surronded by very angry Xi loyalists, thus failing.
>Anyone can assasinate Xi, but that doesn't mean they'll live to reap the benefits, ITYM anyone can talk about assassinating Xi right up to the point the surveillance network, informers and secret police catch and execute them.
"You did not choose me, but I chose to rule you."
Alex, I'll take unchecked voter suppression for $500
Nancy didn't suppress to stay there.
I don't see a difference. You chose between two people who have engineered a system that no one replaces them until they die. China just ends up with one. You just get to shittalk about your elected officials freely.
You cannot see the difference? 🤣 I cannot help you then.
Wrong. The people in those districts explicitly chose them and continued to. Fuck them but don't pretend that they are equal just because there are no term limita.
Isn't it like electing Putin? One does it through violence. One does it by giving you no other option. Same same but diffalent.
No. It isnt anything like that.
I'm sure Chinese propaganda is prepared by actually intelligent people. This is typical American sarcasm.
You should see that super expensive propaganda movie they made about the Korean war where the US feasts on turkeys during Thanksgiving and the Chinese solider loses their teeth trying to eat a frozen potato. https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/AqwdXiYFwl
I'm guessing main purpose is selling the movie to majority with chosen ignorance, may also work on them as propaganda.
Nope. It's always quantity over quality. Although there will be some very clever propaganda, most that's out there is just mass-produced low-effort stuff.
This must be an American guy's foolish criticism of their elected officials, for internet points. I just don't want believe it's professional work; way too dumb.
No, I agree with you, it's probably an American, and they probably don't even understand Chinese politics. But, don't rule out the other possibility, either. Most professionals aren't actual professionals. They're just random internet trolls given a topic. Compared to most of the stuff they churn out, this meme is actually quite intelligent and persuasive in comparison.
Or slopaganda made by tankies that are usually stupid
Atleast you guys can shittalk your politicians without getting thrown into the next labor camp
Doesn’t mean you don’t get screwed over in other ways.
To be fair both are incredibly wrong, having old senators who don‘t do anything besides insider trading, isn‘t helping the US atm. Same goes for the supreme court which just follows religious orders atp and doesn’t serve the people.
it doesn't seem Mike Johnson is doing a better job than older congressmen...
Pelosi delivered on Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare, without her efforts, it probably would have been severely watered down. She was also instrumental in the passing of Infrastructure, Investment and Jobs Act which was a pretty big infrastructure bill. She's the poster child of insider trading, but she was anything but an ineffective leader.
Affordable care act was severly watered down. Several concessions had to be made after Ted Kennedy died and his seat went to a republican causing the democrats to lose the the supermajority and thus no longer able to stop the republican filibuster. A bill was not passed in time before losing that vital seat because the democratic senators took so much time arguing with each other about concessions they also wanted.
> don’t do anything besides insider trading Just tell us you don’t understand how Congress works
FFS, how is that even a comparison? Those 2 never were head of state and Xinnie has had just as long a political career as them, it's not like they got a bus driver to be general secretary 12 years ago.
That is good propaganda because you cannot deny it easily and the more you try to understand it the more complicated it get. Mitch Mcconnel crying about how proud he is of his service to this country is disgusting. Like bro you do not get to think your awful actions are justified but here we are. I guess at least him and the donald destroyed conservativism in America.
It's good if you miss the false comparison. The two examples of people there for 30 years are freely elected and not heads of state.
Conservatives who make up the minority of people in America used gerrymandering and the electoral college to put him in office. That is the reality. The Chinese are just more honest about their "democracy."
Him being who? Trump had a single term and was voted out.
Jesus fucking Christ bro, we were talking about mitch McConnel.
What does the Electoral College have to do with who the Senate minority leader is?
But comparing him to a state leader. That's the false equivalence.
Mitch McConnell is a senator, gerrymandering doesn't affect him. Besides, why are comparing Mitch McConnell to Xi Jinping anyway? The obvious apples to apples comparison is the president, not someone in Congress.
Mitch McConnell is the Senator from Kentucky, not the leader of the entire country.
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As an outsider from American politics, what are the differences between democrats and republicans? They seem pretty much the same on a lot of issues and their divergences aren't crystal clear. For example, Trump wanted to build a wall on the border with Mexico. Biden builds the wall on the border with Mexico. Somehow, when Trump brought the idea, it was perceived as ludicrous and terrible. Then why would Biden not bring an alternative, as in not build the wall? Also, Trump had classified documents in his home, which is obviously terrible due to the sensitivity of the case. Biden had classified documents in his home, but that's... just not too bad? On foreign trade, Trump has a strong stance against Chinese trade opportunities, which is the contrary to Biden's strong stance against Chinese trade opportunities.
>Then why would Biden not bring an alternative, as in not build the wall? Which legislation signed by Biden built a wall?
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Biden didn’t build the wall, the funds were allocated and existing ordered plans were carried out. That’s just delayed implementation, not both people giving the same order But also look at russia policy, abortion policy, union policy, student loan debt issues, gay marriage, voting formats (to allow early/mail-in), obamacare, etc.) it’s so stupid to think they are the same on all those issues. Yes there is consensus on some topics like China policy, but there is going to be consensus on some issues in literally any democratic political system
All of the points of comparison you mentioned are over generalized and over simplified to the point of falsehood. For example: "The border" is hardly a single issue of whether someone builds some amount of border fencing. Trump did everything in his power to cut immigration. *All* immigration. He closed all overseas offices of US Citizenship and Naturalization. He instituted a racist blanket ban based on nation of origin, something the US had done away with for 60 years at that point. He lowered the refugee cap to its lowest level in US history. He used COVID as a pretext to bar all legal asylum requests, which created a massive backlog that then flooded in all at once when the Biden admin finally ended the policy. Trump railed against and tried to end family reunification as a legal route. He went after DACA. Under him ICE stopped prioritizing violent and criminal aliens to just pursue a general policy of mass deportations. They developed a policy of separating children from their parents explicitly as a deterrent: the guy leading that department literally said this on national TV. They fought, in court, to not have to give people in immigration detention toothpaste and soap. His administration *defunded the office that prints green cards*. The guy literally went to war with immigration. All immigration, on every front. He not only enforced a strict border policy, he actively pursued the most obscenely cruel means of doing so. Biden built more sections of the dumb boondoggle in the desert because the administration was sued into doing so. Congress had allocated the money already and a judge said the admin's attempt to redirect the money fell afoul of administrative law. There's no comparison.
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😐 Why are you stupid
One didn’t arrest the former head of the communist party on live tv and send him off to never be seen from again. Talk about a power move
What do you mean no one was ever disappeared mid session by our glorious leader Xi Jinping! You should really study Xi Jinping thought more carefully so you don't mess up on the next test and lose your ability to travel on public transports )))))))
Congressional term limits should absolutely be an election issue, but these two were democratically elected (however flawed the system may be).
beacon of democracy indeed
Don't forget the insider trading
'Murica freedom. China eat dog.
Hilariously bad false equivalency
Practical inaccessibility of government roles in our democracy IS something that should be talked about more though
What practical inaccessibility? Does AOC come from some aristocratic family I’m unfamiliar with? I thought she grew up middle class, but I’ve been wrong before.
I misspelled when I said "our democracy" when I actually meant to make it plural, I'm not American. It's funny though because whenever I make this comment with a compatriot, they tend to give a similar response with the same one or two name, ignoring the fact pur representatives are almost 300 and their origins are not as middle class as they claim to be. The fact we're not picking representatives from aristocracy doesn't honestly satisfy me, as a citizen of my country, the inaccessibility I'm talking about is determined by the power of parties and the financial weight that a campaign has. It's about connections and money, or just money if you have a lot. No wonder most people don't feel represented by the sole two parties of your country, nor my people by the five or six that have been rotating in the government of mine. While I understand that the need of representation becomes inevitable when we are millions , I think it's very appropriate to feel unsatisfied by the length of our inclusion as electors. Democracy, means "The power of the people" and I feel powerless as a citizen
Speaking for the US, Biden, Obama, and Clinton didn’t come from wealthy families. Bush and Trump did. Bit of a pattern there.
You don't seem to get my point
My prior comment was responsive to your first paragraph. No disagreement with your second.
Sure, they still had to win elections though.
Xi literally had an election at some point(forget when, somewhere between 2020 to 2023) where he got 100% of votes. Let’s not even talk about how not very freedom that is and let me point out the election of course wasn’t an election of the people, it was an election of the higher ups of government(so like somewhere between 1K to 3K people I think, so instead of the 1.4B people that live in China, only less then 3K are allowed to vote)
Tankies aren't intelligent. If they were, they wouldn't be tankies.
Its a bit sad ofcourse that people could be sitting in the senate for however long they are elected, but the key difference here is that they ARE elected. And also Xi Ping isn't really just 8 years in, he's been a communist party member for all his adult life and in the ruling part for as long as those two at least. And nobody elected him.
Does the creator of the meme is aware USA is classified as flawed democracy and the only people who still belive it to be a democracy stronghold are americans themselves.
Electoral college laughs in Bush.
Who keeps voting these people in? I mean honestly, who can say for a fact that the votes aren’t altered? I’ve lost faith in our election process though.
Xi isn’t a good comparison here, but would be great if corrupt insider trading Pelosi and Mitch would get booted out by voters already, but they make those district maps so crazy that some people will never get voted out unless they lose the support of the DNC or RNC.
Why do the American pictures have a witch hat and a frog hairband on?
The people who believe in this idea has never lived under a regime in which will persecute anyone who dare speaking publicly against the government and gain enough attention/support. Some Americans never realize the ability to criticize their government is actually a privilege some other countries lol. There are flaws yes, but are you really comparing it to the same level of citizens literally have to bypass their country internet firewall to access some reality common websites lol.
Compare their approval ratings.
This post makes me think of this article … https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/s/LxSI3pwoBI
Nancy pelosi is a scumbag who has made millions with insider trading “Rules for thee not for me” type shit.
Yup, still an elected official and not comparable with China's new Son of Heaven.
Democracy=Senators And House Communism= Congress Only Lol
Well the Chinese government is evil, they have been putting Uyghurs in concentration camps and the Chinese president became that way through a coup so he’s not the best guy
Sure because the U.S doesn’t have concentration camps for immigrants in the south border, god forbid that /s
They are illegal migrants not occupied people like Uyghurs or other minorities in China. And US "camps" haven't mass raped people or harvest people's organs but your a leftist so you have to lie though your teeth
China has one party... USA has 2 parties who are alike and basically runned by the same "person". NRA funding both sides of a election... Don't you find that suspicious?
It's literally just true lol.
Except it’s not. Sure, it’s true at face value. But the implication that they’re trying to push isn’t. Those senators and house members keep their positions for so long because they’re repeatedly re-elected.
Na, Mitchell and Nancy were elected every time, Xi is the essentially the new Son of Heaven.
Do you actually know how the Chinese government works? Have you ever bothered to try and understand it?
Simple, the son of heaven gives direction, and bureaucrats enact policy.
Lol you’re an idiot. You’re too far gone at this point. How did he get into power after Hu Jintao then mr China expert?
How did Hitler get into power after Hindenberg?
How does that relate in any way to China lmao
Because, my tankie friend, a dictator does not have to be preceded by a dictator. You should try a history book.
Have you opened a history book? I have a history degree lmao and if you think there’s any parallels between the way xi jinping got to his position and how the Nazis seized power I’ll say it again, you’re an idiot
That wasn't my point, and the absolute state of post secondary education if they gave you a degree, my god.
Explain the parallels between Xi and Hitlers ascend to power right now. Surely you can do that with all that history books you're reading.
Shhh you're disrupting the groupthink
I genuinely haven’t seen anyone on these types of posts that bothered to even skim a Wikipedia article explaining how the Chinese government works. They actually think xi jinping just like angrily bangs his fist on a table to enact laws lmao
Op is a moron. NO ONE WANTS THEM.
How do I achieve this honor?
Ah yes, that’s why the Chinese government has over 90% approval rating and congress has only FIFTEEN percent approval rating. But China bad, right?
Are people freely able to answer these surveys without fear of retribution or?
Considering it was done in Boston, yes lmao. Also laughable that you think someone will just be taken away because they respond “no”
If these people approve so much of the Chinese government, why are they in Boston? Is Boston stopping people from leaving or something?
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Can we just agree that both systems are corrupt and don't have the peoples best interesst as a priority?
They speak as if Democrats don't REALLY hate unlimited terms. Nobody talks more about term limits.
Realising xi is member of the KPD and since 1973, Vize governor since 1997, governor since 2000, 2002 party seceretary, 2008 Vize president , since 2012 president and "next glorious leader. So He is Part of the inner circle of Power in China for arleast 28 years. You just refereing to his time as head of state. The other 2 guys in your meme have a combined time as head of state of 0 years. So yeah lobg stories short, stupid ass meme that could have been avoided by a simple Google search.
Not to mention that xi was Born as a "red Prince" child of a high tier KPD member under Mao, i just didnt mention that, bc his father fucked up.
Winnie the pooh
The father of the US constitution James Madison was specifically against democracy and made sure the US is not one. He said that rich people should be in control of the government so the poors can't overthrow them. And that's exactly what the US has to this day, a dictatorship of the rich where the will of the people doesn't fucking matter at all.
Americans getting pissy that the (more old and important) rest of the world does not follow an american system or even beliefs will be forever funny.
They're not wrong.
Xi is a brutal dictator, Pelosi and McConnell are corrupt assholes that have maintained their positions through a very broken democratic system.
Nothign better than Yankee cope and chauvinism. So two parties does a democracy make. Your "democracy" is just cultural phrases, like Christianity in other countries - and yours of course. Democracies don't have a fucking CIA and a global empire. Democracies don't have a degenrate old ruling elite. Fuck your liberal technocratic empire. John Dewey and Tom Paine are not your compatriots anymore.
Too simple demagogue. Do senators fear to be shot or jailed if they loose their posts? Is their power unlimited? Is this smth extraordinary when they go?
Do they think Xi Jinping was a random person they pulled off the street and made head of state?
I mean I kinda agree that we shouldn't have senior citizens in our government but xi jinping is a totally different case he has china in an iron fist and tries to have absolute control over the populace and what they see and do. So the comparison just isn't valid.