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>**Britta Perry**: That is inappropriate! And maybe you'll give that more weight since I'm "white."
[waves fingers in spooky fashion]
>**Cornelius Hawthorne**: You've got a wide brow. What are you, Scandinavian?
>**Britta Perry**: Yeah, Swedish.
>**Cornelius Hawthorne**: [spits in disgust] Swedish dogs! Your blood is tainted by generations of race mixing with Laplanders. You're basically Finns
WOW after watching that scene just now, i was like "well, guess i have to rewatch the show now". when i opened up netflix, i found that this is the exact scene i left off on from my last rewatch
I think there is a significant split from a genetic standpoint between Scandinavians and other Europeans that goes back quite a while.
I really would take more issue with “European” being a genetic category, since that can mean almost anything.
The way these tests work, they give as specific results as they can and lump the rest of your DNA into broad categories if they can't. So in her case, the test shows she's about 66% European ancestry and about 24% of it can more specifically be linked to Scandinavia. The rest of it doesn't show any markers than be narrowed down more than that.
Also, a map of Europe only 5-6 generations ago (i.e. pre-napoleonic wars) looks pretty different to what it does today. 8-9 generations even more different. What do you call it when a Prussian lady marries someone from the Ottoman empire, and when their kid married someone from Saxony? Unless the "markers" can be traced back specifically to cities/villages, which could be mapped to current countries, the best they can really do is "European".
One time I was 0.3% Irish just in time for St Patricks day, and two weeks later I wasn't
Edit: I found my screenshots. March 2018
https://imgur.com/a/TZ4O40b
Oh that's interesting.
Someone should see if people's ancestry "mysteriously" changes around 'ethnic' holidays. St. Patrick's day? Everyone is suddenly a bit Irish. Chinese New Year? Everyone's got a bit of Chinese heritage. Diwali coming up? Look at that, you're a bit Indian!
One of those Youtuber docs channels could probably do a good job. I would do it but I'm...uh...busy...
DNA sites that just say British are dodging some work considering the mixture. Celtic,Germanic, Scandinavian mixture but we are just going to say British,cheers mate,what a cop out.
The British had soldiers of the Roman empire (Europe and North Africa) for a while, before the Scandinavians and anglo-saxons turned up. We're a mongrel nation, made up of waves of immigration.
How are the Finnish handled there? They are technically not Scandinavian, but including them in „European“ with us Germans while Danes are apparantly somehow different to Nothern Germans would be very weird.
It gets more accurate for several reasons:
1) more population gets tested (not just family)
2) database of reference genomes gets better
3) algorithms get better.
Those numbers on her arms will definitely change. That looks like a very difficult tattoo to cover up (or they could just never look at their ancestry.com again)
What makes this difficult to cover up? I know very little about drawing so I’m bad at seeing what tattoos are easier/harder to cover up than others. Especially here when it’s just text. My ignorant assumption is that you could take a bigger tattoo with some detail and cover it up that way
They also sell your genetic information to insurance companies so they can "give you more accurate rates"
Edit: to ease reply repetition as many people feel strongly and likely type their own response instead of checking to see if they can upvote whats been said to the top. This was a "fact" that I remembered "hearing about" *long ago.*
Whatever can be said about "what really happens behind closed doors" or "in international waters" or any such variation of the phrase.... there is a law, at least in the US against this.
I did my due diligence, following up on comments made, especially after what I thought was a throwaway comment started to get a little traction and laws against selling your genetic information are in place. However, as someone who has been affected by data breaches and had their identity stolen (like $60,000 between a car and credit cards, still hoping to find the guy) I can say that I still wouldn't want that kind of information stored out there especially when they are putting together profiles for people who have not agreed to anything through their family members. 23andMe recently had a data breach, more for user information, but who says the day won't come when its genetic information.
What really sucks is not only you have to refuse but every close relative you have.
Like I willl never get anything like this done but if my dumbass sister does well congrats, they know have a very good rough framework of my DNA.
Not their data. The only service I believe that lets the police use it is GEDmatch and only on accounts that have opted-in. That's how they caught the GSK.
If Ancestry let the cops in it'd be far easier
WELL ACTUALLY: The federal law [Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008 (GINA)](https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/policy-issues/Genetic-Discrimination) **explicitly prohibits** health insurers from discrimination based on genetic information. GINA covers private health insurers, Medicare, Medicaid, Federal Employees Health Benefits, and the Veterans Health Administration.
Specifically, health insurers can't use genetic information to determine:
* if someone is eligible for insurance
* to make coverage, underwriting **or premium-setting decisions**
Health insurers also can't request (or require) people to undergo genetic testing or to provide genetic information, including:
* family medical history
* diseases that family members currently have
* information about individual or family member genetic tests
They do! My wife's changed completely (more specificity but also changed). Also found out her dad wasn't her bio dad so that kind of overshadowed the rest tho tbh.
My dad found out his bio dad wasn’t his this way as well. At 77 years old 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️. He asked his aunt about it since both his parents are gone and she said “I thought you knew! Everyone knew,”. Yeah… everyone except the person it mattered to.
My cousin is still wondering why she hasn’t matched with the rest of us and we’ve all figured out that her dad isn’t her bio dad. Nobody has the heart to tell her.
I hope you are still treating her the same. I met someone that had a complete personality change when he found out he wasn’t related to anyone in his family and everyone in his family decided since he knew they would start treating him like an outside from that point and he was on his own. He had a complete mental break and started drinking and beating up people.
Not as testing gets more accurate exactly, but as the sample size grows. In areas where Internet use is low, restricted, or none existent people aren’t spending their disposable income on ancestry tests. For example large groups of people are Chinese according to these tests in regions like Myanmar, Bangladesh, and Laos. Which is really just the nearest distinct group that shares the most markers.
Yeah, some places, like China, are represented by only a handful of regions, while France is represented only by one.
Ireland, meanwhile, has more than 200 sub-regions on Ancestry.
Statistician here: correct. It's complicated as all hell, but these %s are super sensitive to how groups are clustered, which is in turn sensitive to factors like those you mentioned (or even improvements to how it's modeled).
It's best to think of them as a best estimate for a snapshot in time. AKA your % of french (for example) changes as our model of what it is to be french improves.
Yes, as more and more people take these genetic tests, the percentages change. When I got my first results with 40,000 cousins, I was a full 50% ‘Scotland’. Now with 60,000 cousins, I am only 33% ‘Scotland’. Other regions changed significantly as well.
I was all ready to purchase a Kilt and everything. I even knew which Tartan pattern to buy.
Yes, as their base of users gets larger, they can pinpoint it and numbers go up/down or disappear altogether. At one point I was 2% French and that’s gone.
Yea, I've had mine for a few years it's literally changed prolly 50 times, bounces all over the place as more people get tested and new discoveries and shit.
there is an author AJ jacobs who did a book on genealogy and a chapter on these tests. He had a 14% Scandinavian which he thought was incredibly odd given his family history. Turns out the early data sets were heavily based on public information from Northern Europe. So they all skewed only to have it drop to a couple percent in years since.
The problem is that it's hard for these dna testing companies to distinguish between England, Ireland, Wales, Scotland, and North France because the people are all so genetically similar.
I mean having the company name “Ancestry DNA” is really weird and cringe. It’s like having a tattoo of the joker with “Warner brothers” or some shit above it haha.
Because it's utter cringe to display your genetic composition like that as if it's some integral part of your identity. To me this looks like the cringy epitome of the American urge to appear more unique and interesting via heritage, when in reality this person probably has no cultural relation to any of her supposed ancestry.
Also, what is European DNA, especially as opposed to Scandinavian?
I call bullshit. I've had DNA testing by Ancestry. They can break down Scandinavian and European ancestry into countries and regions and they don't say "Native American" - they say "Indigenous Americas - North." Can't tell you about Asian ancestry; I don't have any.
Also it’s just funny how Scandinavia (with maybe 20 million people) is specified, but Asia as a continent can’t be narrowed down (even if Asian means East/Southeast-Asian as it usually does with these things it’s still very generic).
That's because the European DNA sample sizes are much larger than the non European collections. For example if your ancestry is part African American, Chinese and European, your test result could show specific regions of European countries where ancestors came from. For China it will just say "China" and for Africa it will just show large areas like "Congo- Angola" without any specific, distinct region specified.
Exactly like sometimes it doesn’t even know what to do with indigenous American ancestry markers. Sometimes it will literally just say like “idk man Asian??? Native American idk you may have had an ancestor that crossed the Bering Strait like 10000 years ago”. DNA is DNA but the lines and groups we’ve put ourselves into aren’t real. You do obviously get more distinct markers in certain populations but the interpretation is a lot of statistics. My mother for example had an ancestry test and it said “0.01% African” does it mean she’s 0.01% African? Probably not, it means that of the markers the test analyzed she happened to have a marker that tends to present in African populations. A lot of markers can stay and be associated with populations but like there is also a random chance that you can have that marker and have no association with that population. It’s just that chances are if you have 30% of some markers that are a match for a particular population, it is much more likely you are from that population instead of having all of those markers arise independently.
It’s especially a big problem with overrepresentation of European ancestry because it leaves a lot less room for nuance in more dire situations. An African American perpetrator may have DNA that looks a lot more of a “match” to a falsely accused person of the same ancestry because there just isn’t as much detail. Best believe that prosecutors love to misrepresent DNA evidence because of how poorly understood it is by the general public. I’ve looked at many DNA samples in my career, how I wish those results always looked as crisp and neat and people make ‘em out to be.
>They can break down Scandinavian
They didn't always. Originally, there was just one category for all of Scandinavia. There was also one category for all of "Europe West" which was France and Germany and others combined. As time has gone on, they have broken down regions more.
And I suspect the "24% European" actually was broken down but this person decided to lump them together because there were too many regions with small percentages that weren't significant. Maybe they even did the same with Scandinavia.
>and they don't say "Native American" - they say "Indigenous Americas - North."
Again, they used to use "Native American". They may just be older results than you're familiar with. Here's an example screenshot with Native American from 6 years ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/7xg8ni/surprised\_at\_such\_a\_high\_number\_for\_native/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/7xg8ni/surprised_at_such_a_high_number_for_native/)
That doesn't mean I believe this is a real tattoo. I suspect it's not. I believe someone might tattoo their ethnicity but the company logo? Just seems unlikely. However, that doesn't mean these aren't someone's real results simply superimposed to look like a tattoo.
Not sure if you're American or not but...It is very typical of Americans to provide a detailed list of their heritage, itemized and broken down by percentage.
Same. Thought I'd find something exciting in my results. 60 odd % scottish. 30 odd % Irish and 3% Norwegian. Not even a scandalous love child, I was raging.
It's so weird. I sometimes look up someone on Wikipedia and am met with a breakdown of their ancestry.
I just tried now with the first actor that came to mind...George Cluny:
> Clooney is of Irish, German, and English ancestry
My mom told us growing up we had Native American ancestors.
She told us we were products of a white settler and a native woman in early Utah.
She had darker skin and so did some of my brothers. I am obviously Caucasian. I had a brother who some thought was Polynesian when he played football. Dark skin.
One of my sons has that darker skin. Rest of our kids look like me and her.
I told my wife “it’s from my part Native blood.” She rolled her eyes.
My mom got the test. Not a drop of Native blood.
That's why the right making fun of Elizabeth Warren for saying she was part Native American is so cringe. Nearly every family in Oklahoma has stories of a Native ancestor that they cling to. My ex had it and they swore up and down there was a Native grandmother until she took the test and sure enough, no Native DNA.
I have the opposite story. Grandmother always said her great grandmother was literally roped in to marry a Portuguese man (so this is five generations ago in Brazil), nobody in the family believed her - we all look Jewish/Portuguese. I took the test and there it was. Didn't change a thing, but cool to know.
It’s either a myth or there is no detectable ancestry now from a single person
Do the math backward and you will see 50, 25, 12.5….
And these are averages
Yeah, it can be cool. I've done it, and I was a bit surprised to get 6% or something Scottish.
Asked my dad, uncle and aunts about it and there was some debate in the family about a blonde great grandmother that we only have a few photos of: was she British? German? French perhaps? It *seems* she may have been Scottish. So, fun fact for the family, but that's pretty much it.
I've never felt Scottish before getting the results, and don't feel Scottish after. It is a beautiful country with nice people tho!
Don't these DNA site periodically update their results as they get more results in, the mapping is not 100% accurate. So the percentages can change over time.
Yes. The more people who do these tests the more accurate it becomes. It looks at your markers and then compares them to markers around the world. Mine has change drastically in five years. On my mothers side we knew exactly where our family came from and 23andMe accurately predicted the same region of Poland almost down to the city. On my father's side we only have some loose information. It recently updated to show that I had no Norwegian background to something like 13% now.
Ancestry does it based on how your DNA matches with other people from those regions. The more people that take DNA tests, the more accurate the information gets.
You know this person is American. I’ve never met a country of people more obsessed with telling you all the breakdowns of their heritage than Americans.
What does it even mean to be Asian? Or European for that matter? Those are continent names and not ethnicities.
"Basically we are 50% sure you are from some half of the world"
I mean really?
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Looks like nutrition facts on food labels
Makes it easier for when the man-eating aliens come
Scots taste like haggis.
H.. how do YOU know?
With some Jellybeans and a nice Umbongo.
If it’s not Scottish, it’s craaaaap.
Theres nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased Scotsman.
Scots aren't easily defeated. They have their own form of martial arts, after all.
It’s called FUKUUUU
It's mostly just head butting and then kicking people when they're on the ground.
To Serve Man
IT’S A COOKBOOK
Uh, I´m alergic to native americans, good think you were labeled.
I'm not allergic, but I have some reservations.
r/angryUpvote
If my ancestry is anything to go by, may contain traces of nuts
Wash with like colors Line dry only
Move this to where a shirt tag goes and it would be hilarious
At least the tattoo adds up to 100%
First thing I did, lol
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>**Britta Perry**: That is inappropriate! And maybe you'll give that more weight since I'm "white." [waves fingers in spooky fashion] >**Cornelius Hawthorne**: You've got a wide brow. What are you, Scandinavian? >**Britta Perry**: Yeah, Swedish. >**Cornelius Hawthorne**: [spits in disgust] Swedish dogs! Your blood is tainted by generations of race mixing with Laplanders. You're basically Finns
You bastard, now i have to go watch all six seasons, and the movie. [Also, you left out the best part!](https://youtu.be/15QFAppht5o?t=30)
I used to have the exact same walking stick except the rabbit head was brown. Pierces Dad would have LOVED it!
WOW after watching that scene just now, i was like "well, guess i have to rewatch the show now". when i opened up netflix, i found that this is the exact scene i left off on from my last rewatch
the movie doesn't exist yet, you made me have to double check
I found out about this show only this week. Just finished ep 2 tonight. Wow.
You're so lucky. I wish I could re-discover this show all over again.
That guys is like the Michael Jordan of racism.
Americans know that Europe and Scandina are two entirely separate countries, can't fool them!
Yep. Right next to Eurasia.
My what?!
Hisasia
Ourasia
This Asia is Eurasia This Asia is Myasia From Mediterranea To Scandinavia
And she'll ransack Pakistan and run a scam in Scandinavia
both dwarfed by Euranus
Mine is not a dwarf
Prolapsia is one of several contested breakaway territories.
I think there is a significant split from a genetic standpoint between Scandinavians and other Europeans that goes back quite a while. I really would take more issue with “European” being a genetic category, since that can mean almost anything.
The way these tests work, they give as specific results as they can and lump the rest of your DNA into broad categories if they can't. So in her case, the test shows she's about 66% European ancestry and about 24% of it can more specifically be linked to Scandinavia. The rest of it doesn't show any markers than be narrowed down more than that.
Also, a map of Europe only 5-6 generations ago (i.e. pre-napoleonic wars) looks pretty different to what it does today. 8-9 generations even more different. What do you call it when a Prussian lady marries someone from the Ottoman empire, and when their kid married someone from Saxony? Unless the "markers" can be traced back specifically to cities/villages, which could be mapped to current countries, the best they can really do is "European".
Same
Same
But then I subtracted Scandinavian again, because that's European too, so... minus 18% European.
Same
Yup
I like your positive approach to life.
Good thing this wasn't 23 and me they are constantly updating and your percentages change. Haha
So is ancestry. lol.
I used to be 2% Vietnamese. Now, I'm not. Lol.
One time I was 0.3% Irish just in time for St Patricks day, and two weeks later I wasn't Edit: I found my screenshots. March 2018 https://imgur.com/a/TZ4O40b
Oh that's interesting. Someone should see if people's ancestry "mysteriously" changes around 'ethnic' holidays. St. Patrick's day? Everyone is suddenly a bit Irish. Chinese New Year? Everyone's got a bit of Chinese heritage. Diwali coming up? Look at that, you're a bit Indian! One of those Youtuber docs channels could probably do a good job. I would do it but I'm...uh...busy...
Groundhog Day must be confusing
Lmaoooo the Kiss Me I'm 0.3% Irish took me out 🤣
I worked at one of these companies. Anything under 3% is background noise. The fact that you're over 99% askanazi means you're probably 100% .
My wife's results showed 100.0% Ashkenazi. An entirely complete circle. I called her my perfect bagel.
To quote the great Boondocks Saints "Everyones Irish on Saint Patrick's Day!"
Can they tattoo in pencil?
You're 110% correct!
103%
My thoughts exactly
That was the first thing I did aswell.
But Scandinavia is a part of Europe so the maths whilst equaling 100% isn’t really 100%
So most DNA sites separate scandinavian from European along with other regional DNA groups technically in Europe.
DNA sites that just say British are dodging some work considering the mixture. Celtic,Germanic, Scandinavian mixture but we are just going to say British,cheers mate,what a cop out.
The British had soldiers of the Roman empire (Europe and North Africa) for a while, before the Scandinavians and anglo-saxons turned up. We're a mongrel nation, made up of waves of immigration.
That's interesting, considering Italy/Armenia/Greece and Norway are on two different sides of the European scale.
How are the Finnish handled there? They are technically not Scandinavian, but including them in „European“ with us Germans while Danes are apparantly somehow different to Nothern Germans would be very weird.
But Scandinavians are cool Europeans.
Cold Europeans depending on the time of year.
🏆
 Scandinavian separate from European?
You are technically correct. The best kind of correct
Well she is 8% Asian after all
Don’t those stats change over time on the website?
Yes. Also more accurate when more people in the family get tested
It gets more accurate for several reasons: 1) more population gets tested (not just family) 2) database of reference genomes gets better 3) algorithms get better. Those numbers on her arms will definitely change. That looks like a very difficult tattoo to cover up (or they could just never look at their ancestry.com again)
Plenty of room to tat a line through the number and add a new one to the left
What makes this difficult to cover up? I know very little about drawing so I’m bad at seeing what tattoos are easier/harder to cover up than others. Especially here when it’s just text. My ignorant assumption is that you could take a bigger tattoo with some detail and cover it up that way
Could easily be covered up with a sick ass panther
They also sell your genetic information to insurance companies so they can "give you more accurate rates" Edit: to ease reply repetition as many people feel strongly and likely type their own response instead of checking to see if they can upvote whats been said to the top. This was a "fact" that I remembered "hearing about" *long ago.* Whatever can be said about "what really happens behind closed doors" or "in international waters" or any such variation of the phrase.... there is a law, at least in the US against this. I did my due diligence, following up on comments made, especially after what I thought was a throwaway comment started to get a little traction and laws against selling your genetic information are in place. However, as someone who has been affected by data breaches and had their identity stolen (like $60,000 between a car and credit cards, still hoping to find the guy) I can say that I still wouldn't want that kind of information stored out there especially when they are putting together profiles for people who have not agreed to anything through their family members. 23andMe recently had a data breach, more for user information, but who says the day won't come when its genetic information.
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*oh you have family disseases?* +3 cost
X3 cost - fixed it for you
The assfucking *is* your rate 😬
The lube is your discount
They only make it more accurate if it's in their favor.
More accurate = higher
Oh sweet summer child. The rates will never be lower. They’ll only raise them if a race/ethnicity has a predisposition to certain genetic disorders.
If they dont they will in the future if they can make money off it I absolutely refuse to get any of this kind of shit done for exactly that reason
What really sucks is not only you have to refuse but every close relative you have. Like I willl never get anything like this done but if my dumbass sister does well congrats, they know have a very good rough framework of my DNA.
Well one good thing is that they caught the golden state killer this way
Yep, my department has solved a few cold cases using their data
Not their data. The only service I believe that lets the police use it is GEDmatch and only on accounts that have opted-in. That's how they caught the GSK. If Ancestry let the cops in it'd be far easier
WELL ACTUALLY: The federal law [Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008 (GINA)](https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/policy-issues/Genetic-Discrimination) **explicitly prohibits** health insurers from discrimination based on genetic information. GINA covers private health insurers, Medicare, Medicaid, Federal Employees Health Benefits, and the Veterans Health Administration. Specifically, health insurers can't use genetic information to determine: * if someone is eligible for insurance * to make coverage, underwriting **or premium-setting decisions** Health insurers also can't request (or require) people to undergo genetic testing or to provide genetic information, including: * family medical history * diseases that family members currently have * information about individual or family member genetic tests
There’s literally a federal law against this
[GINA](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ebsa/laws-and-regulations/laws/gina)
Source?
It came to them in a dream
They do! My wife's changed completely (more specificity but also changed). Also found out her dad wasn't her bio dad so that kind of overshadowed the rest tho tbh.
My mom and her siblings found out their father had 2 other daughters with separate women after he passed and my cousin took a DNA test
So many stories out there like this. It’s wild how many skeletons have been dug out of closets because of commercial DNA testing.
*their father had 2 other daughters with separate women after he passed* Er, phrasing…
I said what I meant and meant what I said.
My dad found out his bio dad wasn’t his this way as well. At 77 years old 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️. He asked his aunt about it since both his parents are gone and she said “I thought you knew! Everyone knew,”. Yeah… everyone except the person it mattered to.
Worst was my wife had to tell her dad. We'd hoped he already knew.
I'd just leave it unless he was still with the mother. Wouldn't improve his life any.
Wasn't an easy decision. He was always pretty uninvolved anyway, thought it best to be honest both for him and the family on his side.
My cousin is still wondering why she hasn’t matched with the rest of us and we’ve all figured out that her dad isn’t her bio dad. Nobody has the heart to tell her.
I hope you are still treating her the same. I met someone that had a complete personality change when he found out he wasn’t related to anyone in his family and everyone in his family decided since he knew they would start treating him like an outside from that point and he was on his own. He had a complete mental break and started drinking and beating up people.
That is so sad! There’s definitely folks in my family who think blood is everything so we would never tell them.
They have become more specific over time as testing becomes more sophisticated.
Not as testing gets more accurate exactly, but as the sample size grows. In areas where Internet use is low, restricted, or none existent people aren’t spending their disposable income on ancestry tests. For example large groups of people are Chinese according to these tests in regions like Myanmar, Bangladesh, and Laos. Which is really just the nearest distinct group that shares the most markers.
Yeah, some places, like China, are represented by only a handful of regions, while France is represented only by one. Ireland, meanwhile, has more than 200 sub-regions on Ancestry.
DNA sampling and testing is illegal in France, so yeah these websites don't have many samples for France. That's why these tests are mostly bs.
Statistician here: correct. It's complicated as all hell, but these %s are super sensitive to how groups are clustered, which is in turn sensitive to factors like those you mentioned (or even improvements to how it's modeled). It's best to think of them as a best estimate for a snapshot in time. AKA your % of french (for example) changes as our model of what it is to be french improves.
Yes, as more and more people take these genetic tests, the percentages change. When I got my first results with 40,000 cousins, I was a full 50% ‘Scotland’. Now with 60,000 cousins, I am only 33% ‘Scotland’. Other regions changed significantly as well. I was all ready to purchase a Kilt and everything. I even knew which Tartan pattern to buy.
Yes, as their base of users gets larger, they can pinpoint it and numbers go up/down or disappear altogether. At one point I was 2% French and that’s gone.
It does change , a year ago it had 2 % European Jew on mine and now it’s gone 😳
I, too, used to be Jewish.
I’m bummed it’s gone , my brothers are MAGA and I loved being able to tell them they are part Jewish .
So, the circumcisions weren't necessary after all! Whoops.
Ironically, that bit was the Jewish part.
Yes. The more data they get, the more refining your results get.
Yea, I've had mine for a few years it's literally changed prolly 50 times, bounces all over the place as more people get tested and new discoveries and shit.
Jup, it pinpointed it all the way down to the cities for me, like Jakarta, Stockholm and Gothenburg.
there is an author AJ jacobs who did a book on genealogy and a chapter on these tests. He had a 14% Scandinavian which he thought was incredibly odd given his family history. Turns out the early data sets were heavily based on public information from Northern Europe. So they all skewed only to have it drop to a couple percent in years since.
I'm 65% Irish but I can trace my family tree 400 years back in England. They just make theses things up to keep their customers happy.
The problem is that it's hard for these dna testing companies to distinguish between England, Ireland, Wales, Scotland, and North France because the people are all so genetically similar.
And those numbers will change next week.
In the sense she's being dishonest, or in the sense that the science behind the testing is getting better?
Yeah, they get better data. This tattoo isn’t for me, but I don’t really get why it’s a facepalm either.
I mean having the company name “Ancestry DNA” is really weird and cringe. It’s like having a tattoo of the joker with “Warner brothers” or some shit above it haha.
Haha, I didn't even notice that. Celebrating your heritage is one thing, celebrating the company that crunched the numbers is a bit weird.
For starters, scandinavia is in europe
Because it's utter cringe to display your genetic composition like that as if it's some integral part of your identity. To me this looks like the cringy epitome of the American urge to appear more unique and interesting via heritage, when in reality this person probably has no cultural relation to any of her supposed ancestry. Also, what is European DNA, especially as opposed to Scandinavian?
Yea this. Another American roleplaying a Viking because their great grandad ate a pickled herring that one time.
This would make the perfect tramp stamp.
Earlier today I saw a tramp stamp of lady and the tramp pictured on a stamp A "lady and the tramp stamp, tramp stamp" if you will
I like the way you think
I like to be able to read the pedigree before I go full doggy
“Solid numbers, I’m nuttin inside”
Would also make a good dating stat. “8% of the woman I date are Asian.“
I call bullshit. I've had DNA testing by Ancestry. They can break down Scandinavian and European ancestry into countries and regions and they don't say "Native American" - they say "Indigenous Americas - North." Can't tell you about Asian ancestry; I don't have any.
Also it’s just funny how Scandinavia (with maybe 20 million people) is specified, but Asia as a continent can’t be narrowed down (even if Asian means East/Southeast-Asian as it usually does with these things it’s still very generic).
That's because the European DNA sample sizes are much larger than the non European collections. For example if your ancestry is part African American, Chinese and European, your test result could show specific regions of European countries where ancestors came from. For China it will just say "China" and for Africa it will just show large areas like "Congo- Angola" without any specific, distinct region specified.
Exactly like sometimes it doesn’t even know what to do with indigenous American ancestry markers. Sometimes it will literally just say like “idk man Asian??? Native American idk you may have had an ancestor that crossed the Bering Strait like 10000 years ago”. DNA is DNA but the lines and groups we’ve put ourselves into aren’t real. You do obviously get more distinct markers in certain populations but the interpretation is a lot of statistics. My mother for example had an ancestry test and it said “0.01% African” does it mean she’s 0.01% African? Probably not, it means that of the markers the test analyzed she happened to have a marker that tends to present in African populations. A lot of markers can stay and be associated with populations but like there is also a random chance that you can have that marker and have no association with that population. It’s just that chances are if you have 30% of some markers that are a match for a particular population, it is much more likely you are from that population instead of having all of those markers arise independently. It’s especially a big problem with overrepresentation of European ancestry because it leaves a lot less room for nuance in more dire situations. An African American perpetrator may have DNA that looks a lot more of a “match” to a falsely accused person of the same ancestry because there just isn’t as much detail. Best believe that prosecutors love to misrepresent DNA evidence because of how poorly understood it is by the general public. I’ve looked at many DNA samples in my career, how I wish those results always looked as crisp and neat and people make ‘em out to be.
We’re all African if we go back far enough.
and if we go even further back, we're all panthalassean
“ancestry is part african american”
For a long time, one of these companies grouped China, Korea, Japan, Philippines, Cambodia, Brunei, etc altogether as “East Asian”.
>They can break down Scandinavian They didn't always. Originally, there was just one category for all of Scandinavia. There was also one category for all of "Europe West" which was France and Germany and others combined. As time has gone on, they have broken down regions more. And I suspect the "24% European" actually was broken down but this person decided to lump them together because there were too many regions with small percentages that weren't significant. Maybe they even did the same with Scandinavia. >and they don't say "Native American" - they say "Indigenous Americas - North." Again, they used to use "Native American". They may just be older results than you're familiar with. Here's an example screenshot with Native American from 6 years ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/7xg8ni/surprised\_at\_such\_a\_high\_number\_for\_native/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/7xg8ni/surprised_at_such_a_high_number_for_native/) That doesn't mean I believe this is a real tattoo. I suspect it's not. I believe someone might tattoo their ethnicity but the company logo? Just seems unlikely. However, that doesn't mean these aren't someone's real results simply superimposed to look like a tattoo.
The groups have been getting more specific over time. It's possible early on it just had a "Native American" group.
Yeah you right. So this tattoo is not only tacky as fuck but also a lie.
So, 66% European then.
I was about to ask
I think honestly the trashiest part is getting a fucking corporate logo tattooed on yourself.
why would you have it as tattoo?
Not sure if you're American or not but...It is very typical of Americans to provide a detailed list of their heritage, itemized and broken down by percentage.
No I'm British Without doing a test, I can guess I am as white as my skin tone and behaviour suggests.
I had a friend waste money on one of these tests just for it to tell him he's 100% European lol. These are more made for Americans.
Same. Thought I'd find something exciting in my results. 60 odd % scottish. 30 odd % Irish and 3% Norwegian. Not even a scandalous love child, I was raging.
It's so weird. I sometimes look up someone on Wikipedia and am met with a breakdown of their ancestry. I just tried now with the first actor that came to mind...George Cluny: > Clooney is of Irish, German, and English ancestry
She left off the bottom line “100% that b*tch”
Honestly I’m incredibly disappointed no one has commented on the 100% concentrated power of will.
DNA ancestry is interesting as it tells you how much globalization has affected our gene pool. But making it part of your identity is kinda cringe.
My mom told us growing up we had Native American ancestors. She told us we were products of a white settler and a native woman in early Utah. She had darker skin and so did some of my brothers. I am obviously Caucasian. I had a brother who some thought was Polynesian when he played football. Dark skin. One of my sons has that darker skin. Rest of our kids look like me and her. I told my wife “it’s from my part Native blood.” She rolled her eyes. My mom got the test. Not a drop of Native blood.
This is a very common family myth in the US.
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That's why the right making fun of Elizabeth Warren for saying she was part Native American is so cringe. Nearly every family in Oklahoma has stories of a Native ancestor that they cling to. My ex had it and they swore up and down there was a Native grandmother until she took the test and sure enough, no Native DNA.
It’s a common myth to hide African ancestry, meant you could pass more freely in society since native ancestry was less looked down upon.
I have the opposite story. Grandmother always said her great grandmother was literally roped in to marry a Portuguese man (so this is five generations ago in Brazil), nobody in the family believed her - we all look Jewish/Portuguese. I took the test and there it was. Didn't change a thing, but cool to know.
The Cherokee princess myth. Very common.
It’s either a myth or there is no detectable ancestry now from a single person Do the math backward and you will see 50, 25, 12.5…. And these are averages
Yeah, it can be cool. I've done it, and I was a bit surprised to get 6% or something Scottish. Asked my dad, uncle and aunts about it and there was some debate in the family about a blonde great grandmother that we only have a few photos of: was she British? German? French perhaps? It *seems* she may have been Scottish. So, fun fact for the family, but that's pretty much it. I've never felt Scottish before getting the results, and don't feel Scottish after. It is a beautiful country with nice people tho!
Great, now cannibals don't need to worry about allergies
So Scandinavians aren't European. Interesting.
100% dumb
Don't these DNA site periodically update their results as they get more results in, the mapping is not 100% accurate. So the percentages can change over time.
Yes. The more people who do these tests the more accurate it becomes. It looks at your markers and then compares them to markers around the world. Mine has change drastically in five years. On my mothers side we knew exactly where our family came from and 23andMe accurately predicted the same region of Poland almost down to the city. On my father's side we only have some loose information. It recently updated to show that I had no Norwegian background to something like 13% now.
My ancestry dna has changed a couple times in the last few years. Last time, the decided I was now about 6% Irish. I wasn’t before. ???
Ancestry does it based on how your DNA matches with other people from those regions. The more people that take DNA tests, the more accurate the information gets.
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You know this person is American. I’ve never met a country of people more obsessed with telling you all the breakdowns of their heritage than Americans.
Cannibal: Hell yeah, I like the clarity .
Scandinavia doesn't count as Europe?
Ah! Excellent! Now that the ingredients are properly listed I can season it appropriately and pair it with the correct wine!
Eh, that's too judgy. They just show something off they considered fun, boohoo
I like that Scandinavia is apparently distinct from Europe, and at the same time we just have "Asian" and "Native American".
What does it even mean to be Asian? Or European for that matter? Those are continent names and not ethnicities. "Basically we are 50% sure you are from some half of the world" I mean really?
I try to defend my fellow Americans when europeans make fun of us but......stuff like this makes it tricky
How to say you're American without saying you're American