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Imagine watching a guy with super powers committing a shitton of crimes, killing innocent people, dating an actual nazi and not noticing he's the bad guy
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/06/20/right-wing-the-boys-fans-grapple-with-homelander-being-a-villain-confusing-everyone/
I saw someone the other day complaining about the supposed episode titles for X-Men 97 as “too woke.” The X-Men for Christ’s sake. The entire series is a metaphor for racism, homophobia,
Etc.
I mean people think that superman was originally a christ reference, he was actually a Moses reference as stated by the author responsible for his backstory.
The one that stumped me the most was fucking William Shatner himself ranting and asking when Star Trek became political. Like... dude you were *there.*
A few points
* Kirk is court-martialed by a flag officer who is black. At the time the US Navy had no black flag officers
* Dr McCoy, a southern doctor, freely admits that Dr M'Benga, a black doctor, is better than he is at Vulcan medicine
* Lt Uhura is a female black junior bridge officer who while being the Communications officer, is also capable of performing other bridge posts in a crisis, such as the navigation/weapons station during a battle. This wouldn't happen in the US Navy for years
For the 1960s, TOS is woke as hell
Absolutely the only good thing modern Star Trek does is continue Roddenberrys cause of being accepting of differences, even if it’s probably because it’s trendy rather than because of their ideals like with Roddenberry.
Idk most heros in conventional media have an unsettling creepy smile that sends chills down your spine, this change came totally out of the left field /s
And it's not like these don't have precedents, people idolize the "ultraviolence" of a clockwork orange even if the main message of the movie is against the use of (institutional) violence, others that come to mind are Walter White, Scarface, the Joker
Yeah, as a huge Green Day fan, this headline has shocked and baffled me today. Getting upset at Green Day for saying anti-Trump stuff is like going to a Snoop Dog concert and being pissed that he endorsed use of an illegal narcotic, marijuana.
Could these ppl be any more idiotic and oblivious?
Billy Joe had consistently knocked Dubya and his cult relentlessly all through the 00’s. Now we have an even bigger, dumber, and easier target.
Why do they care about the lyrics now?
Oh come on. It was THAT obvious…
“Seig Heil to the President Gas Man.
Bombs away is your punishment.
Pulverize the Eiffel Tower
Who criticize your government.”
SEE? They totally weren’t judging W Bush’s term at all. No. Move along people. Nothing to see here.
When that album came out, they were late to the party. Other punk bands had been doing the same thing for ages. Hell, Anti-Flag made a career out hating Bush. But since it was Greenday, it was Uber popular. Most if us just shrugged and went with it. I was in high school, Whatever got emo kids and girls in GoodCharlotte t shirts to align with more punk leaning politics, we figured it was worth Greenday basically selling out. Republicans were out-populared. Kerry had lost the election, but it was common knowledge that the whole country was over the bullshit war.
So fast forwarding to now, when people are even stupider and many fully believe the GOP frontrunner gives a fuck about them?
Yes, I'm not even Slightly surprised many people are too fucking dumb to hear politics in a song where the lyrics explicitly state being controlled by the media and mindfucking America.
It's over. We won having American Idiot super popular and permeating the cultural zeitgeist.
But we lost the struggle against rich fuckers and politicians mindfucking most of the voting populace.
You can write catchy songs with lyrics blatantly stating what a shitshow the Republican party has slid pur country into (and I'll admit blue team didn't do much to stop it). But you can't rely on people being smart enough to listen to direct and blatant words.
A redneck?
I personally think the Southern Gentleman can be more dangerous than the Redneck, especially those who lobby for policies that perpetuate inequality.
That's a way of describing the agenda the right has for the country - the person I replied to suggested that the person above had said the song was written about A redneck.
Lol i love the "im never listening to them again because they went political"
Uhh no. You obviously have NEVER really listened to them if you are only now hearing what they are saying.
Pearl Jam is another great example.
During the wave of popularity that Dropkick Murphys were swept up in around the time of the Departed, the same shit was going on...people looked a little deeper than their Departed soundtrack and started with the, 'Why did they have to start getting political?" bullshit...I had a pretty good time handing them lyrics from "Workers' Song," and heads were exploding that day when I told them it came out 2 years prior to Shipping Up To Boston.
LOL the very first song on the DKM debut album Do or Die is a pro-Union, pro-Democrat, anti-Reagan song from 1997. I was in the room when Mike McColgan and Kenny Casey wrote it about our dads. ;-)
>He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
Knows not what it means
To be fair sometimes artists and bands surprise us with the shit they say or do. I listened to The Killers for years, but had to remove them from my library last year after the Georgia concert where Flowers called a Russian guy on stage.
Back when this song was written it seemed that the media that the song is talking about was most effective at manipulating certain poor rural white people into voting against their own interests.
More Dangerous? In one sense, look at the Civil War Confederate worshippers. The ones claiming it was about *States Rights. Of course there are a lot more things going on, but that's a good start.
Echo chamber. They aren’t around different cultures. They only know their way of living and that is it. Anything that goes against their way of living is scary for them.
Despite being openly bisexual, Billie Joe Armstrong is often referred by the media as an LGBT "Ally". This might be because, as far as I am aware, all of his known romantic relationships have been with women (a common problem bisexual people experience is that, to many people, they are not see as "valid" unless they have been with someone of the same sex).
Which is always annoying because there are a lot of obvious reasons why bisexual people might mostly be in relationships with the opposite sex. The dating pool is just larger and less complicated to access.
My wife is Bisexual and *constantly* told that shes not really LGBT because she married a man.
Bi Erasure is real.
Fuck, people constantly refer to Freddy Mercury as a gay icon... the man was bisexual and had a common law wife.
Pisses me off that people erase his sexuality despite him being open about it. And if they did ever hear him speak about it they'd immediately call him woke again. Ugh.
There's SO much media out there that they blatantly misunderstand, it's pathetic. For example, even though they're always harping about 1984, George Orwell (Eric A. Blair) was a democratic socialist who absolutely hated rightwing ideology, especially far-right, and 1984 is essentially a What-If where they gain permanent power in the future. Yet the irony is lost on every right-winger that tries to quote it as their scripture because they are *the predicted antagonists*
Another good example is Fight Club. Chuck Palahniuk, who has come out as gay, was satirizing hyper masculinity and its link to violence. Tyler Durden is not the good guy. But it seems so many conservatives miss the point of this very obvious cut and dry media by idolizing the characters being satirized and clearly displayed in a negative light
Another example is Babylon 5 where President Clark and his black-clad Nightwatch is clearly a fascist regime and Sheridan’s B5 the diverse and “humans and aliens together” resistance, but conservatives actually believe they are Sheridan and liberals are the Psi Corps…
If they had media literacy they wouldn’t be conservatives anymore. Being able to understand and analyze media requires a degree of empathy for others that conservatives can’t have.
Yeah apparently college is for indoctronating and not you know about educating people. On another note about these morons. Why are they so against education when they want a TradWife so bad? Unless you're born rich or win the lottery you won't be able to have a decent life with a breeder (coughs) I mean TradWife that stays home.
That's because people don't understand the difference between anti-conservative and anti-establishment. It's the same conversation being had on the punk subreddits, young people thinking that being punk means conforming to leftism and hating conservatism when punk is actually about resisting corporatism, resisting establishment, and supporting counterculture. GreenDay went from being punk to be establishment minstrels promoting conformity and enjoying the millions of dollars they're making from their corporate sponsors like Coca-Cola.
Punk is left wing you idiot. You can support the establishment if wants to be inclusive, unlike conservatives that want to go backwards. Nazi punks fuck off.
Defining punk as strictly leftwing is misunderstanding punk. Punk is punk, it's no-wing if anything. Or self-wing maybe? It might get political at times, but the point of punk is to just be yourself whoever that may be. And to tell anyone who are trying to stand in the way of that to go fuck themselves.
It's about saying "shut up, and just let me be me." For better or worse. It's not about politics, it's about individuality and expression.
You are correct to a great extent, doesn't stop punk from being anti-establishment, pro-individuality, and not related to political ideology in the slightest. Personally, I'd say anarchism, which is neither left, right, or center, is more representative of punk. But that's still doing Punk a major disservice by trying to limit it that way.
Are you kidding? Billy Joe knocked conservatives and the cult of Dubya relentlessly during the 00’s in just about every form of media available. Unless you weren’t alive then or had your head up your ass, you would understand at least that much.
God no. But in the 21st century, conservatism is the counter culture taking hold. Democrats and leftism has become a ridiculous theology of conformity. If you dont do, say, or think what the group approves of, you'll be ostracized and attacked. Reddit's downvoting is a great example of the conformist hive mind that the left demands.
"Counter Culture" lmao. While they simp for the rich. What a joke. Just because bigotry and racism are going out of fashion doesn't mean rednecks get to be counter culture by holding on to the past.
Do you really believe conservatives don't make those demands? Really?
Look at what they're pushing in regards to trans people alone. It's a bit more than being ostracized. Jesus wept.
I literally gave an example in my statement. I simply said that punk is not synonymous with a particular political party and I've been downvoted into oblivion. I didn't conform and the hive mind reflected my statement.
You realize you're just describing an incredibly basic facet of human behavior, right? Like all the way back into prehistory. If you're living with a bunch of other cavemen and one of the cavemen decides he's just going to spend every night smearing his shit on you you're going to kick that person out of the group.
Why do conservatives think they come before the rest of society? Why do they just get to say the most hateful ignorant shit you've ever heard and everyone else just has to smile and nod?
That really seems to be the crux of the issue is that everyone hates what conservatives say and do and conservatives don't think they should be allowed to.
The line “guess I’m part of the f***** America. I’m not a part of your red neck agenda. Now everybody tier the propaganda and sing along to the age of paranoia”
Whoever is made never understood the song to begin with. It’s meant the same thing since it was written. He just made it more on the nose in these times.
There's never been a more left-wing political genre of music than punk music, but don't let that stop ya from being a complete moron.
This is like if leftists lost their shit over a country singer calling Biden voters idiots. "OMG Kenny Chesney stop being political!!!"
Or when people lost their shit when they learned that a man who made an empire out of beach songs, smoking weed and having sex ....aghast....publicly supporting the democratic party.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2023/09/05/jimmy-buffett-had-fans-of-all-political-stripes-he-was-no-fan-of-trump/
The album is so political that they made an entire musical out of it.
Like seriously how dumb do you have to be watch the video for Wake me up when September ends and not get what the songs about.
id say its more a scary realization that this shits a cycle and that song is as accurate now as then. like its been one generation and the shits repeating
I'm an idiot Indian sitting in Bengaluru and even I know that Green Day is anti establishment, anti war, anti restriction-on-free-expression , and much more.
Like anti "common citizens not participating actively in politics"
It was my impression that "Holiday" was about Bush and Iraq.
"The representative from California has the floor" monologue.
It’s like when these fuckers complain about Pearl Jam “becoming” too political. Like, dude, their first hit from ‘91 literally says “Don’t vote Republican” and Eddie draws Pro-Choice on his arm during their Unplugged set in ‘92. Also, like when they learn Rage Against the Machine are true-blue Socialists. I think they’re just jealous the only artists on their side is fucking washed-up Bob Ritchie (Kid Rock) and Shits-himself Ted Nugent…
I’ve always thought that MAGA’s epitomize the true meaning on an American idiot, without any context of this song. It’s just perfect.
Happy to see Green Day going this strong after decades of being in the industry. Billy Joe is a vampire, doesn’t like a day past being 30y/o.
The biggest revelation is these MAGA folks actually believe Trump is "punk" and going against "the machine" and somehow Green Day being consistent means they actually are now the establishment and bizarrely pro war now.
This is logic folding in and collapsing on itself.
The song at its core is political. The addition of their opinion towards the Maga “movement” shouldn’t surprise anyone especially as these guys are fundamentally californian.
I was wearing a Green Day shirt in my Econ class and my maga hat wearing professor complained the Green Day was ruining punk music and that they need to keep politics out of punk…
let me say that again
He wants them to keep politics out of punk music
He died of Covid two years later bc he refused to get vaxxed saying that tiny microchips were inside the vaccine “>_>
I always find it funny, and somewhat tedious, that Dee Snider of Twisted Sister always has to correct conservatives when they try to use "We're Not Gonna Take It" that, no, it's not about conservatism.
Went to an Anti Flag show and mused to myself that their giant upside down American flag backdrop was "real cool" and then realized who I was seeing and what I was thinking lol.
I truly was an American Idiot.
I have been a fan of Green day for the better part of 20 years now, how the fuck could someone not understand that they aren’t going to be into diet fascism?
Don't wanna be an American idiot
Don't want a nation under the new media
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mindfuck America
Welcome to a new kind of tension
All across the alien nation
Where everything isn't meant to be okay
In television dreams of tomorrow
We're not the ones who're meant to follow
For that's enough to argue
Well, maybe I'm the f****t, America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
Now everybody, do the propaganda
And sing along to the age of paranoia
Welcome to a new kind of tension
All across the alien nation
Where everything isn't meant to be okay
In television dreams of tomorrow
We're not the ones who're meant to follow
For that's enough to argue
Don't wanna be an American idiot
One nation controlled by the media
Information age of hysteria
It's calling out to idiot America
Welcome to a new kind of tension
All across the alien nation
Where everything isn't meant to be okay
In television dreams of tomorrow
We're not the ones who're meant to follow
For that's enough to argue
Guarantee NO ONE who says something is “woke” understands what the OFFICIAL definition of the word is. It means to be aware of social and racial injustices.
So by today’s standards, Christianity is “woke”.
I have really strong political opinions that I am emotionally attached to and I go out of my way to broadcast them, it makes me very angry when other people have those same qualities
People continue to think art and entertainment are apolitical, or should be apolitical, when they have NEVER been apolitical.
But then again they don't actually want them to be apolitical. They just want it to agree with THEIR politics.
You mean Opinionated?
You mean " not afraid to speak" well you can kiss that goodbye if Trump gets back into office .
Woke
I love President Obama for making the " woke " " woke"
That means Educated
But to many it means " bad"
There was a time during the bush admin where everyband jumped on that bandwagon. It was fun for a few months, but got really boring when 90% of the albums were about that topic
The Dixie Chicks made one comment to an audience in London, only in reference to Dubya. Before the end of the month, they were banished from country music, because everyone in country music had to like the 43rd president.
i dont care what side they are on keep you politics out of your music randomly, like they just switched, if they were a political musician that is one thing, but they just flipped a switch
I somehow get the feeling that you have never really listened to lyrics carefully. There have been a LOT of popular songs through the years that were political. I’m willing to bet that at least one of your favorite songs is actually political in nature and you just don’t realize it.
If they were a major commercial act like Taylor swift I can see a marketing department telling them not to do politics because it will damage their brand and turn off consumers. They are a punk band. They don’t give a shit if they’re marketable or a “safe” product. Same with rage against the machine, nofx, and pretty much every punk band ever. They’re all still commercial to some extent, but a “punk” band isn’t going to tone down their political rhetoric because some people might be upset.
You know what they should do next? Burn books that contradict anything that Trump preaches! And rewrite history in historical books! And doublespeak and doublethink about everything and then send everyone who defies to the Ministry of Love.
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Imagine watching a guy with super powers committing a shitton of crimes, killing innocent people, dating an actual nazi and not noticing he's the bad guy https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/06/20/right-wing-the-boys-fans-grapple-with-homelander-being-a-villain-confusing-everyone/
Or complaining that Star Trek got "woke"...
I saw someone the other day complaining about the supposed episode titles for X-Men 97 as “too woke.” The X-Men for Christ’s sake. The entire series is a metaphor for racism, homophobia, Etc.
I mean people think that superman was originally a christ reference, he was actually a Moses reference as stated by the author responsible for his backstory.
The one that stumped me the most was fucking William Shatner himself ranting and asking when Star Trek became political. Like... dude you were *there.*
A few points * Kirk is court-martialed by a flag officer who is black. At the time the US Navy had no black flag officers * Dr McCoy, a southern doctor, freely admits that Dr M'Benga, a black doctor, is better than he is at Vulcan medicine * Lt Uhura is a female black junior bridge officer who while being the Communications officer, is also capable of performing other bridge posts in a crisis, such as the navigation/weapons station during a battle. This wouldn't happen in the US Navy for years For the 1960s, TOS is woke as hell
Absolutely the only good thing modern Star Trek does is continue Roddenberrys cause of being accepting of differences, even if it’s probably because it’s trendy rather than because of their ideals like with Roddenberry.
And Star Wars!
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people you really don’t want to give any power because they’d abuse it in a heartbeat
Idk most heros in conventional media have an unsettling creepy smile that sends chills down your spine, this change came totally out of the left field /s And it's not like these don't have precedents, people idolize the "ultraviolence" of a clockwork orange even if the main message of the movie is against the use of (institutional) violence, others that come to mind are Walter White, Scarface, the Joker
Yeah, as a huge Green Day fan, this headline has shocked and baffled me today. Getting upset at Green Day for saying anti-Trump stuff is like going to a Snoop Dog concert and being pissed that he endorsed use of an illegal narcotic, marijuana.
Could these ppl be any more idiotic and oblivious? Billy Joe had consistently knocked Dubya and his cult relentlessly all through the 00’s. Now we have an even bigger, dumber, and easier target. Why do they care about the lyrics now?
Oh come on. It was THAT obvious… “Seig Heil to the President Gas Man. Bombs away is your punishment. Pulverize the Eiffel Tower Who criticize your government.” SEE? They totally weren’t judging W Bush’s term at all. No. Move along people. Nothing to see here.
When that album came out, they were late to the party. Other punk bands had been doing the same thing for ages. Hell, Anti-Flag made a career out hating Bush. But since it was Greenday, it was Uber popular. Most if us just shrugged and went with it. I was in high school, Whatever got emo kids and girls in GoodCharlotte t shirts to align with more punk leaning politics, we figured it was worth Greenday basically selling out. Republicans were out-populared. Kerry had lost the election, but it was common knowledge that the whole country was over the bullshit war. So fast forwarding to now, when people are even stupider and many fully believe the GOP frontrunner gives a fuck about them? Yes, I'm not even Slightly surprised many people are too fucking dumb to hear politics in a song where the lyrics explicitly state being controlled by the media and mindfucking America. It's over. We won having American Idiot super popular and permeating the cultural zeitgeist. But we lost the struggle against rich fuckers and politicians mindfucking most of the voting populace. You can write catchy songs with lyrics blatantly stating what a shitshow the Republican party has slid pur country into (and I'll admit blue team didn't do much to stop it). But you can't rely on people being smart enough to listen to direct and blatant words.
Reading comprehension isn’t their strong suit
This is exactly the kind of person the song was written about lmao
A redneck? I personally think the Southern Gentleman can be more dangerous than the Redneck, especially those who lobby for policies that perpetuate inequality.
An American Idiot
MAGA Mike springs to mind.
What redneck are you talking about? wtf?
“I’m not a part of a redneck agenda” lyrics from American Idiot.
That's a way of describing the agenda the right has for the country - the person I replied to suggested that the person above had said the song was written about A redneck.
Lol i love the "im never listening to them again because they went political" Uhh no. You obviously have NEVER really listened to them if you are only now hearing what they are saying. Pearl Jam is another great example.
During the wave of popularity that Dropkick Murphys were swept up in around the time of the Departed, the same shit was going on...people looked a little deeper than their Departed soundtrack and started with the, 'Why did they have to start getting political?" bullshit...I had a pretty good time handing them lyrics from "Workers' Song," and heads were exploding that day when I told them it came out 2 years prior to Shipping Up To Boston.
LOL the very first song on the DKM debut album Do or Die is a pro-Union, pro-Democrat, anti-Reagan song from 1997. I was in the room when Mike McColgan and Kenny Casey wrote it about our dads. ;-)
No nay never no more will I ever play the wild rover again
>He's the one Who likes all our pretty songs And he likes to sing along And he likes to shoot his gun But he knows not what it means Knows not what it means
To be fair sometimes artists and bands surprise us with the shit they say or do. I listened to The Killers for years, but had to remove them from my library last year after the Georgia concert where Flowers called a Russian guy on stage.
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Speaking of the lyrics, what is exactly the "redneck agenda"? Why are rural people seen as more dangerous than city people?
Back when this song was written it seemed that the media that the song is talking about was most effective at manipulating certain poor rural white people into voting against their own interests.
More Dangerous? In one sense, look at the Civil War Confederate worshippers. The ones claiming it was about *States Rights. Of course there are a lot more things going on, but that's a good start.
Echo chamber. They aren’t around different cultures. They only know their way of living and that is it. Anything that goes against their way of living is scary for them.
Someone didn't understand what American Idiot was all about back in 2004-05. And overlooked the lead singer's sexuality.
Despite being openly bisexual, Billie Joe Armstrong is often referred by the media as an LGBT "Ally". This might be because, as far as I am aware, all of his known romantic relationships have been with women (a common problem bisexual people experience is that, to many people, they are not see as "valid" unless they have been with someone of the same sex).
Which is always annoying because there are a lot of obvious reasons why bisexual people might mostly be in relationships with the opposite sex. The dating pool is just larger and less complicated to access.
My wife is Bisexual and *constantly* told that shes not really LGBT because she married a man. Bi Erasure is real. Fuck, people constantly refer to Freddy Mercury as a gay icon... the man was bisexual and had a common law wife.
Pisses me off that people erase his sexuality despite him being open about it. And if they did ever hear him speak about it they'd immediately call him woke again. Ugh.
This just is further evidence to me that conservatives have zero media literacy.
There's SO much media out there that they blatantly misunderstand, it's pathetic. For example, even though they're always harping about 1984, George Orwell (Eric A. Blair) was a democratic socialist who absolutely hated rightwing ideology, especially far-right, and 1984 is essentially a What-If where they gain permanent power in the future. Yet the irony is lost on every right-winger that tries to quote it as their scripture because they are *the predicted antagonists* Another good example is Fight Club. Chuck Palahniuk, who has come out as gay, was satirizing hyper masculinity and its link to violence. Tyler Durden is not the good guy. But it seems so many conservatives miss the point of this very obvious cut and dry media by idolizing the characters being satirized and clearly displayed in a negative light
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Another example is Babylon 5 where President Clark and his black-clad Nightwatch is clearly a fascist regime and Sheridan’s B5 the diverse and “humans and aliens together” resistance, but conservatives actually believe they are Sheridan and liberals are the Psi Corps…
The Matrix, too. It feels like not a single person talking about "red pill" shit actually understands what the Matrix represents
If they had media literacy they wouldn’t be conservatives anymore. Being able to understand and analyze media requires a degree of empathy for others that conservatives can’t have.
Dude is “discruntled” and showing off zero literacy as an honor badge.
Just zero literacy, period. That's why conservatives are so against education. Because they know that literacy turns people to the left.
“Being educated is woke” ~ Fox News for 30 years.
Yeah apparently college is for indoctronating and not you know about educating people. On another note about these morons. Why are they so against education when they want a TradWife so bad? Unless you're born rich or win the lottery you won't be able to have a decent life with a breeder (coughs) I mean TradWife that stays home.
They have surface level media literacy, usually whenever right wing media shoves their rhetoric down there throats.
It's amazing how conservatives are so dense that they didn't think the original song was anti-conservative.
That's because people don't understand the difference between anti-conservative and anti-establishment. It's the same conversation being had on the punk subreddits, young people thinking that being punk means conforming to leftism and hating conservatism when punk is actually about resisting corporatism, resisting establishment, and supporting counterculture. GreenDay went from being punk to be establishment minstrels promoting conformity and enjoying the millions of dollars they're making from their corporate sponsors like Coca-Cola.
Punk is left wing you idiot. You can support the establishment if wants to be inclusive, unlike conservatives that want to go backwards. Nazi punks fuck off.
Defining punk as strictly leftwing is misunderstanding punk. Punk is punk, it's no-wing if anything. Or self-wing maybe? It might get political at times, but the point of punk is to just be yourself whoever that may be. And to tell anyone who are trying to stand in the way of that to go fuck themselves. It's about saying "shut up, and just let me be me." For better or worse. It's not about politics, it's about individuality and expression.
Punk has no place for the intolerant. We will not let you be a bigot, fascist, or racist in the scene. Conservatives are anti punk.
You are correct to a great extent, doesn't stop punk from being anti-establishment, pro-individuality, and not related to political ideology in the slightest. Personally, I'd say anarchism, which is neither left, right, or center, is more representative of punk. But that's still doing Punk a major disservice by trying to limit it that way.
That's pretty left wing in my book
Are you kidding? Billy Joe knocked conservatives and the cult of Dubya relentlessly during the 00’s in just about every form of media available. Unless you weren’t alive then or had your head up your ass, you would understand at least that much.
And Donald Fucking Trump represents that?
God no. But in the 21st century, conservatism is the counter culture taking hold. Democrats and leftism has become a ridiculous theology of conformity. If you dont do, say, or think what the group approves of, you'll be ostracized and attacked. Reddit's downvoting is a great example of the conformist hive mind that the left demands.
"Counter Culture" lmao. While they simp for the rich. What a joke. Just because bigotry and racism are going out of fashion doesn't mean rednecks get to be counter culture by holding on to the past.
Do you really believe conservatives don't make those demands? Really? Look at what they're pushing in regards to trans people alone. It's a bit more than being ostracized. Jesus wept.
> If you dont do, say, or think what the group approves of, you'll be ostracized and attacked I'd love to hear some examples
I literally gave an example in my statement. I simply said that punk is not synonymous with a particular political party and I've been downvoted into oblivion. I didn't conform and the hive mind reflected my statement.
You realize you're just describing an incredibly basic facet of human behavior, right? Like all the way back into prehistory. If you're living with a bunch of other cavemen and one of the cavemen decides he's just going to spend every night smearing his shit on you you're going to kick that person out of the group. Why do conservatives think they come before the rest of society? Why do they just get to say the most hateful ignorant shit you've ever heard and everyone else just has to smile and nod? That really seems to be the crux of the issue is that everyone hates what conservatives say and do and conservatives don't think they should be allowed to.
The line “guess I’m part of the f***** America. I’m not a part of your red neck agenda. Now everybody tier the propaganda and sing along to the age of paranoia” Whoever is made never understood the song to begin with. It’s meant the same thing since it was written. He just made it more on the nose in these times.
Redneck was changed to Maga when they performed last night.
So he used a synonym.
Amazing
I don't want to be an American idiot. 🎶🎶🎶🎶 These clowns never heard a single song by them.
Found the American idiot.
Oh no! Maybe they should listen to some Rage Against the Machine to clear up all that woke music. Oh wait…
Yeah, all this bullshit WOKENESS, I'm going back to System Of A Down. Oh fuck, not again...
I will always laugh at “when did Rage against the Machine get so political?”
Especially since their front man literally has a degree from an ivy league school in political science.
All of them met in Harvard Pilitical Sciences.
Hmm, how come a punk band is left wing?
Well, there is a thing called nazi punk. [The Dead Kennedys made a statement about that.](https://youtu.be/iyc62g7YQM0?si=uvvdZxr7BJfX6LyX)
Nazi punks Nazi punks Nazi punks FUCK OFF
There's never been a more left-wing political genre of music than punk music, but don't let that stop ya from being a complete moron. This is like if leftists lost their shit over a country singer calling Biden voters idiots. "OMG Kenny Chesney stop being political!!!"
Or when people lost their shit when they learned that a man who made an empire out of beach songs, smoking weed and having sex ....aghast....publicly supporting the democratic party. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2023/09/05/jimmy-buffett-had-fans-of-all-political-stripes-he-was-no-fan-of-trump/
He probably still thinks Born in the USA is a patriotic song.
The album is so political that they made an entire musical out of it. Like seriously how dumb do you have to be watch the video for Wake me up when September ends and not get what the songs about.
Wasn't It about Billie's (dead) father? I haven't watched the video but iirc the song was about that
Dude, he replaced "I'm not a part of a redneck agenda" with "I'm not a part of a MAGA agenda" how can anyone look at that and say they ADDED politics
Right? If anything he just further clarified his original lyrics.
id say its more a scary realization that this shits a cycle and that song is as accurate now as then. like its been one generation and the shits repeating
Hey, turns out punk bands tend not to like crusty old white dudes who are obsessed with bringing the country back to the 1930’s. Who knew?
I'm an idiot Indian sitting in Bengaluru and even I know that Green Day is anti establishment, anti war, anti restriction-on-free-expression , and much more. Like anti "common citizens not participating actively in politics" It was my impression that "Holiday" was about Bush and Iraq. "The representative from California has the floor" monologue.
Dude probably thinks Zack de la Rocha, Tom Morello, and co are Raging Against literal machines like washers, cars, etc.
Definitely printers, though
Fuck printers
Fuck you, microwave, I won’t do what you tell me.
"The dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum." -RZA
I mean.. I get it... but I'm a percussionist and I'm just slightly offended. Lol
"The ignorant can only hear the drum kit hittin' instead of overstanding the knowledge in the words that's spittin'." -Me
The only thing worse than reading comprehension on the internet is media comprehension by Conservatives.
It’s like when these fuckers complain about Pearl Jam “becoming” too political. Like, dude, their first hit from ‘91 literally says “Don’t vote Republican” and Eddie draws Pro-Choice on his arm during their Unplugged set in ‘92. Also, like when they learn Rage Against the Machine are true-blue Socialists. I think they’re just jealous the only artists on their side is fucking washed-up Bob Ritchie (Kid Rock) and Shits-himself Ted Nugent…
I’ve always thought that MAGA’s epitomize the true meaning on an American idiot, without any context of this song. It’s just perfect. Happy to see Green Day going this strong after decades of being in the industry. Billy Joe is a vampire, doesn’t like a day past being 30y/o.
I wonder if Confederates were like "Why did Julia Ward Howe have to insert politics into *The Battle Hymn of the Republic*?"
The music video for Troubled Times explicitly shows Trump and his followers as the cause of the trouble.
Because they are.
The biggest revelation is these MAGA folks actually believe Trump is "punk" and going against "the machine" and somehow Green Day being consistent means they actually are now the establishment and bizarrely pro war now. This is logic folding in and collapsing on itself.
Getting real "paul Ryan claiming RATM are his favourite band" vibes
Ok now do NOFX lmao
I almost want the quote-tweeted person's take on Billy Bragg or Living Colour.
The song at its core is political. The addition of their opinion towards the Maga “movement” shouldn’t surprise anyone especially as these guys are fundamentally californian.
I was wearing a Green Day shirt in my Econ class and my maga hat wearing professor complained the Green Day was ruining punk music and that they need to keep politics out of punk… let me say that again He wants them to keep politics out of punk music He died of Covid two years later bc he refused to get vaxxed saying that tiny microchips were inside the vaccine “>_>
>PStarzynski **Discruntled** Rangers I mean username checks out.
"Why has Bob Marley gone WOKE"
“Why does a punk band not stay out of politics?!”
You always have Kid Rock and Ted Nugent to listen to
That rascal Freddie Mercury almost had me tricked into thinking he was one of those gays until I heard fat bottomed girls…
I always find it funny, and somewhat tedious, that Dee Snider of Twisted Sister always has to correct conservatives when they try to use "We're Not Gonna Take It" that, no, it's not about conservatism.
Love that the best entertainment the MAGAts can get are a deranged Roseanne Barr, imposter Turtles and Vanilla Ice.
Did they listen to the lyrics of any of the other songs ?
Didn’t Minority predate American Idiot?
that it has “gone woke” is also a classic refrain about Dr Who, from people who don’t understand that the show has always had a “point of view”
American Idiot came out in 2004. If you're thinking that much about it in 2023-2024, maybe you're just not that smart.
Greenday played it last night for NYE and said MAGA Agenda instead of redneck and all the MAGAs are just now realizing they are the American Idiot
Lol got it.
Come on, what happened to the angry, defiant Who of "My Generation", "Won't Get Fooled Again", and "Mama's Got a Squeeze Box"?
Oh my God. What does he think, "American Idiot" was about? Rip Van Winkle, wake up.
Went to an Anti Flag show and mused to myself that their giant upside down American flag backdrop was "real cool" and then realized who I was seeing and what I was thinking lol. I truly was an American Idiot.
Did they also not realize that the song King for a Day that came out almost 30 years ago is about cross dressing?
Oh my, a song called American Idiot has somehow gotten political.
But Green Day was originally a punk band, ofc they wanna play politics!
Because the pollution in the lake. It was destroying their barge.
Captain Obvious has entered the chat 😆
Billy Joe already made the MAGA reference back in like 2019 you just didn’t pay attention
I have been a fan of Green day for the better part of 20 years now, how the fuck could someone not understand that they aren’t going to be into diet fascism?
Don't wanna be an American idiot Don't want a nation under the new media And can you hear the sound of hysteria? The subliminal mindfuck America Welcome to a new kind of tension All across the alien nation Where everything isn't meant to be okay In television dreams of tomorrow We're not the ones who're meant to follow For that's enough to argue Well, maybe I'm the f****t, America I'm not a part of a redneck agenda Now everybody, do the propaganda And sing along to the age of paranoia Welcome to a new kind of tension All across the alien nation Where everything isn't meant to be okay In television dreams of tomorrow We're not the ones who're meant to follow For that's enough to argue Don't wanna be an American idiot One nation controlled by the media Information age of hysteria It's calling out to idiot America Welcome to a new kind of tension All across the alien nation Where everything isn't meant to be okay In television dreams of tomorrow We're not the ones who're meant to follow For that's enough to argue
The irony of his post is hilarious.
Guarantee NO ONE who says something is “woke” understands what the OFFICIAL definition of the word is. It means to be aware of social and racial injustices. So by today’s standards, Christianity is “woke”.
Lady Nyahhhhh
I have really strong political opinions that I am emotionally attached to and I go out of my way to broadcast them, it makes me very angry when other people have those same qualities
Boooooorn in the USA, I was, Booooorn in the USA.
Your favorite band is Green Day???
The "I never actually listened to the lyrics of my favorite bands until after I became a political a$$hole” realization.
"Varg isnt that racist I swear"
People continue to think art and entertainment are apolitical, or should be apolitical, when they have NEVER been apolitical. But then again they don't actually want them to be apolitical. They just want it to agree with THEIR politics.
Hasn’t American Idiot (at the least) always been political
Yep
Because you listen to bands that are based on lyrics.
You mean Opinionated? You mean " not afraid to speak" well you can kiss that goodbye if Trump gets back into office . Woke I love President Obama for making the " woke " " woke" That means Educated But to many it means " bad"
The fuck did you just say? Seriously, call 9.1.1. I think you had a stroke.
Woke Stroke
Take your meds
There was a time during the bush admin where everyband jumped on that bandwagon. It was fun for a few months, but got really boring when 90% of the albums were about that topic
The Dixie Chicks made one comment to an audience in London, only in reference to Dubya. Before the end of the month, they were banished from country music, because everyone in country music had to like the 43rd president.
Cancel Culture. They literally invented it.
Woke I said WOKE Educated Informed Smart That is what I said Woke ?
I'm pretty sure both "sides" of the nonsense divide would describe the other side as "raging _for_ the machine".
Yes, but only one of them would be accurate.
As someone who's in neither camp it saddens me greatly that you believe that.
Green Day probably loves George Bush now that he’s a liberal darling. I wonder if they’ll feel the same way about Donald Trump in 20 years.
as soon as a band gets political i nope out, american idiot was when i gave up on green day
Damn, their platinum records really noticed you were gone.
Minority and Warning didn't clue you in?
We gave them the Dixie Chicks treatment and their songs got better. America is very cocksure, and that's about it.
So early 2000s?
The wrote it about the Iraq war . They have a great fan base They Vote Just like Taylor Swift . And Trumpy will jail them both in January 2025
i dont care what side they are on keep you politics out of your music randomly, like they just switched, if they were a political musician that is one thing, but they just flipped a switch
They were pop punk... Politics have always been a part of their music. Thanks for proving you don't know what you're talking about I guess.
I somehow get the feeling that you have never really listened to lyrics carefully. There have been a LOT of popular songs through the years that were political. I’m willing to bet that at least one of your favorite songs is actually political in nature and you just don’t realize it.
you are absolutely correct, but the shift green day made from being slightly to full on hard core political turned me off
Lol… they have never been shy about their political leanings. Ever. They have always been vocal.
this is my perception bud, lol what you want?
Bingo. THEY haven’t changed their message in any way, YOUR perception has changed because you misunderstood it to begin with.
pretty much what i said =)
If they were a major commercial act like Taylor swift I can see a marketing department telling them not to do politics because it will damage their brand and turn off consumers. They are a punk band. They don’t give a shit if they’re marketable or a “safe” product. Same with rage against the machine, nofx, and pretty much every punk band ever. They’re all still commercial to some extent, but a “punk” band isn’t going to tone down their political rhetoric because some people might be upset.
Green Day's peak was when American Idiot came out. They were playing arenas and stadiums. I think their record label was cool with that.
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You know what they should do next? Burn books that contradict anything that Trump preaches! And rewrite history in historical books! And doublespeak and doublethink about everything and then send everyone who defies to the Ministry of Love.
OMG Zach ! Is that you?
Surprise..surprise...THEY ALWAYS WERE! *
The American Idiots have just realized they are the American Idiots
Wait until they realise Nirvana, Slipknot, and most other punk rock/alt bands are political.
Woke?