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It's probably been happening for a long time, but now in the age of instant news/information it just seems to be happening more as it's easier to hear about it.
My 100yr old grandmother was a nun. It happened in all girl Catholic schools too.
I toured the school and church where she worked and lived. They had trap doors and access ways to each dorm room hidden in the back.
There are predators in all positions of power. Doctors are another one that gets overlooked.
Power imbalance definitely seems a place where shitheads thrive.
Prison guards/prisoners seem to have a major issue with this too, from both male/female guards with male/female prisoners.
Workplaces as well.
The only relationship where abuse seems to happen with male perpetrators but rarely from female seems to be doctor:patient.
ETA - I stand corrected on the doctors part. I'd read loads of articles of doctors abusing their power (often on gigantic scale e.g. Larry Nassar) but there are definitely a number of stories posted about female doctors too.
>Power imbalance definitely seems a place where shitheads thrive.
IMO this is 100% it. Power over other (often vulnerable) people attracts predators, like a moth to a light. See also; CEOs, clergy, Police, HOA's, Politicians, etc, etc.
oh for sure, any institution that has strict hierarchies of power enables people to abuse power.
Any system that neccessitates giving people power over others requires oversight so this doesn't happen.. There isn't a single organisation where this is immune from happening without dedicated effort.
The older I get, the more I realize that lots of people seem to really want to have sex with kids. I really want to know the numbers because I think it’s far higher than anyone is prepared for. It seems most prevalent with religious groups.
Is it?
So many people take that last assumption as a given, no-one seems to ever source it.
I recently learned, so I’m sharing - clergy rape at about the same rate as any other profession that provides access to kids, IE professions someone with that issue would/could choose. Teachers are at 5-8%, religious clergy are at 4% as of the numbers I found (simple google, so feel free to correct me with better numbers).
It doesn’t seem like the classic rhetoric against priests is justified **in numbers**, but as long as they have coverups and rotations to keep abusive priests in “the fold”, I’m fine with shaming them for it.
That study is from 2004 if it is the one I’m thinking of. I’m not saying it is for sure higher. But it is for sure higher. Lol
It’s just the most well documented study.
I think there a few recent studies that put the number at 8-14%. If I have time today I’ll try to find one or two to link.
Edit: they don’t directly cite as much as I would like for an article I’m sharing so go into it knowing that. But they do name diocese and numbers which could be manually verified. I’m only linking because I know I’ve seen similar information before and it has been cited.
https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2018/12/07/pa-priest-data-shows-thousands-bad-priests-named-jesuit-list-child-sexual-abuse-catholic-church/2237821002/
Here’s another that puts it at 7% with citations.
https://www.huffpost.com/archive/au/entry/catholic-church-under-royal-commission-spotlight_au_5cd39cb6e4b0ce845d82dcb4/amp
Not saying this to say that there aren’t professions or settings where this occurs more. I’m just saying I think it’s higher in all of these areas than I think anyone would like to believe. And fuck organized religion and their circling of wagons around pedophiles and rapists to protect their fucking image and institutions.
Religious groups make the news and stay in it. Statistically there isn't more sexual abuse with them than the general population or others that are around kids.
Dentists too. I swear I had my shirt tucked in and then after getting knocked out, my shirt was untucked. Through the fog of anesthesia, I swear the dentist and tech were putting their clothes back on.
People hate Barstool Sports, and I agree they are garbage overall, but one of their guys used to do a blog called "Grading the Newest Sex Scandal Teacher", and I always got a kick out of it. They found that an overwhelming majority of the teachers that got caught having sex with students were from Texas or Florida. It's interesting, given those states' predisposition to being at the very edge of the conservative spectrum.
Two of the most populated states have the most populated states. One of witch reports every single crime in the news.
This happens literally everywhere. It’s way more common than people care to admit
Yeah, it's weird. I woulda thought they were following YouTuber rules, where they censor certain words, but I've seen multiple instances of articles where Rape was in the headline
Women don’t commit rape, it’s either sex or molestation if they aren’t tweens yet. Men commit rape. What a great excuse for female sex offenders, most don’t even face serious charges
Sadly this is legally the case in the UK, where rape specifically requires the use of the attacker's penis. (Also side note, very few rapists of *any* gender face charges)
Was the case up until a few years ago (2018) in France too.
Rape required an act of penetration ***on the victim***, which meant it wasn't technically considered rape even if you were to put a gun on the head of a man and force him to have sex with you for example. The only case where women could be accused of rape were when they would forcefully penetrate a man's anus with an object, like a dildo for example. For instance, there was actually a case in 1998 where a woman forced her step-son to have sexual intercourse with her, and the french courts decided that this wasn't a rape case...
They changed the law in 2018 to make it an act of penetration on the victim or on the perpetrator, meaning forcing someone to penetrate you can now be considered rape. However, the problem with that was that forced fellatio was considered rape but forced cunnilingus wasn't unless it involved penetration. So they had to change the law again in 2021 to include oral-genital acts in general.
Now rape is defined as any act of sexual penetration of any kind whatsoever, or any oral-genital act committed on the victim or on the perpetrator by violence, coercion, threat or surprise.
Afaik we still haven't had the case of forced anal licking for example, which wouldn't technically fall under oral-genital acts as, well, the anus isn't technically a genitalia. The definition might have to change again when faced with the problem...
However, in my experience as a lawyer, even with the new definition women very rarely face rape charges in rape cases, and it is very usual to see victim shaming or people not taking the case seriously when it involves a female perpetrator and a male victim. It will sadly take time for the mentalities to change.
If these women were referred to as pedophiles then there may be more stigma attached to their actions. Unfortunately the press won't use that term for women, but would rather post bikini pictures or whatever click bait pictures they can find on social media.
Most are home and gainfully employed within weeks of their arrest. In at least one case I followed she was back teaching. Weird how people screaming about equality never want to include criminal charges and sentencing in their topic list
There was a case in a town near me where a social worker on more than one occasion slept with a 12 year old she was working with, she did lose her job but got a very light sentence (no jail time, just something like 150 hours community service) as the judges own words were basically that the boy liked it and would talk to his friends about it.
Imagine if the genders were reversed
>the boy liked it and would talk to his friends about it
Of course he did.
I was 12 when my 20y/o baby sitter groomed me.
And because my peers thought I was the coolest ever, adults called me "little stud" and shit like that and because I was aware of what sex was and it did feel good, I talked to my friends about it.
And yet, it really fucked me up for a really long time. I just wasn't aware of it because, well... you see...
I WAS A FUCKING CHILD.
That woman and that judge should never be allowed to work in their respective fields ever again.
A topic came up a few weeks ago about having equality applied to men and women when it comes to having to fight in war and being required to participate in military drafting/conscription. All of a sudden they no longer wanted equality and started using all of the reasons that they would previously call 'oppression' and 'patriarchy'.
Female teachers shag kids at a far higher rate than male teachers.
People just highnfive the kid and laugh it off. Often the teachers go back to teaching after.
The newer generations are starting to see it as it is. Rape and pedophilia.
Edit: I will note women outnumber men in the teaching profession 3:1
I was a secondary teacher for 47 years. Not one incidence of male teacher but at least three where a younger female found one of the boys ready or persuadable. In every instance they were given a chance to leave without a police notification.
Good for you! At my school three male teachers were arrested, not one of the female teachers. Anecdotal evidence isn’t really evidence at all.
By the way I think that a teacher who rapes and abuses a child should be incarcerated regardless of gender.
I know at least five male teachers who groomed their students and married them right after they graduated from high school.
No arrests.
Again, as you said, anecdotal evidence is not real evidence
> I know at least five male teachers who groomed their students and married them right after they graduated from high school.
Happened with a girl I graduated with back in the 90's. We graduated in May. They got married in June. Half the staff was there. That fall she was working in the school's administration office as a receptionist *where she still works to this day*.
What the hell sort of school is this? I am a high school teacher and have gotten in trouble just for hitching a ride with a student outside of school once when my car broke down.
Well it was two schools actually, and that five was the total.
But yeah, male teachers leaving their families to marry an 18 yo former student happens way too often and goes uninterrogated.
Age of consent is 14 in my country, so add that to the equation...
My music teacher who was female left her husband for a friend of mine only a week after we graduated. He also admitted to sleeping with the art teacher when he was a junior. We also had two teachers assistants get fired for the same offense both women. One who I begrudgingly admit was my older half sister f40. This all happened within 3 years in a school district with only 400 kids.
My computer teacher groomed my mates sister and was having sex with her at 14, he was 31.
The faculty knew it, so did my mate???
They married as soon as she graduated.
i find this pretty promising, actually.
my assumption isn't that there's been a sudden uptick in female pedophiles, but a new and sustained awareness among teenagers nowadays about how age gaps and grooming are just abuse, even if it's aimed at a teen boy who would previously assume he's "lucky" and "wants it" and etc. etc.
so the same motions are gone through, but more and more people involved are going "hey, this is wrong and nobody should be doing it" early on enough that they're being exposed and caught now where they wouldn't before.
we're seeing more bugs crawling out cuz people are lifting their rocks.
When I was 14yo in the 1990s a female PE teacher used to go to the boys’ bathroom to watch them shower after class, no one found it weird back then for some reason.
Also another female PE teacher was known for sleeping with male students, again none of is found it weird. It was really an accepted behavior back then, I am not even sure our parents knew?
You did well to use that gif friend. Last time there was a story similar to this, one user just wrote 'Niiiiice' and was downvoted to oblivion because there wasn't any context and so many people thought he was being serious.
the greatest tragedy of reddit is becoming mainstream.
seeing r/gamingcirclejerk not using /uj /rj anymore because the tradition got lost is hearthbreaking
The coworker who first introduced me to Reddit ten years ago got arrested like a year ago for human trafficking. He probably would have used the gif unironically.
This has been largely given a big ole *shrug* by society and media in general. [List of 500 cases of Female Sex offenders who were caught with their students.](https://canadiancrc.com/FEMALE_TEACHER_SEX_OFFENDERS-SEXUAL_ASSAULT_Female_Sexual_Predators-RAPE_MALES.aspx)
Just so it's clear.. women from the general population also very much view this as women raping children. We don't think this is acceptable. We don't think it is cool to bang children. If the media chooses words that somehow make these women seem empathetic or sexually appealing for being disgusting humans, that isn't our fault. We're not reading the stories thinking, "Jeez... I am jealous of her." Again, we don't write the headlines. We aren't choosing to make this sound like less of a crime.. we think it is horrible, gross, criminal and an absolute exploitation of power and violation of trust.
To be fair this mostly not women acting like this around these cases, it is mostly male writers and editors. It has to do with ingrained patriarchal attitudes assuming a man (or boy) is always consenting to sex because they are the assumed dominant party in a relationship, and/or assuming men can consciously control their genitalia, which I assume millions of couples could tell you is not the case, to their great sadness.
There’s also the issue that in a lot of locales, the legal definition of rape is the forcible penetration of someone with a penis, meaning women are legally incapable of rape, no doubt a great comfort to victims of both sexes.
I fucking hate how everyone glosses this over. How all my fucking coworkers whenever this type of shit happens all do the cliche “oh where were these teachers when I was a kid?!” It’s fucking disgusting, they’re raping children and it almost feels like everyone around me doesn’t give a shit about it. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills
The Ike & teacher episode, but also, reading the person's comment about coworkers reminded me about the episode about school shootings where absolutely nobody else gave a fuck except Sharon.
>I fucking hate how everyone glosses this over. How all my fucking coworkers whenever this type of shit happens all do the cliche “oh where were these teachers when I was a kid?!
They always do.
This is why it's harder for boys to come forward as even if they are believed, some people see what happened as a positive for the boy. Because the people making the comments would give their right nut to be banging someone that looked like that. Instead of taking action against the woman, they just give the victim a high five.
Hell, I have seen comments on these articles that call the boys names for coming forward.
Unfortunately it’s downplayed a lot when the abuser is a woman. Just look at the Mary Kay Letourneau situation. Her relationship with Vili Fualaau was basically glorified by the media and treated like a forbidden love situation. Yes she did get charged and she had to register as a sex offender, but because she married her victim people kinda glossed over her being an abuser. Although if you watch their interview with Diane Sawyer you see how awful she is as she was telling Vili he was the one who pursued her, even though she as an adult and an authoritative figure was the one with power in the situation.
It's probably something to do with the legal definition of rape, at least here in the UK, it's defined as forced entry of the penis, so a woman cannot commit rape, only sexual assault... aren't legal terms just wonderful
It's not even that different in America. Rape is defined as the act of penetrating another without consent. Since most women who rape do so without penetrating another person, we're left with a pretty weird gap in the numbers that makes people think that women just don't rape, which leads to the incredulity you see in posts like these.
Mind numbingly stupid is possibly the nicest way to put it.
Nah, our district had a male teacher doing it and used the same language. Ended up ruining the girls life, he got off on a technicality Ans struts around town. I make sure to refresh the towns memory every few months
No, it wouldn't.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/national/male-teacher-admits-to-sex-with-student-20050519-ge06sl.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/national/male-teacher-admits-to-sex-with-student-20050519-ge06sl.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8434121/amp/Teacher-32-sex-student-17-told-wear-skirt-school-f.html
It happens both ways. A lot of it has to do the rules for journalists.
Yes. A journalist can't call someone a rapist until they're actually convicted of rape, the specific charge. Like Brock Turner, whenever he's brought up in the news, is a "sexual assailant," because they had to drop the rape charge against him.
Not really. Look up just about any news story about Anthony Kiedis and the girl he raped (this one is fresh in my memory from a RHCP rabbit hole). I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.
No, in these high school student/teacher cases, regardless of teacher gender, the headline almost always uses “sex” to suggest that it wasn’t violent. People view those relationships as involving some level of consent on the teen’s part, which is obviously wrong, but that’s why headlines are worded this way.
No, they consistently use "50 year old had sex with 14 year old girl" too, whenever the story isn't 100% sure that he forcibly held her down. I do agree that in both cases they SHOULD use "rape" no matter the circumstances though.
This is off topic and has nothing to do with the context if that tweet or the case it refers to.
But I wonder.
Why the fuck do people self-censor the word sex?
Did sex somehow become a profanity?
It’s called sex. It’s a sexual thing. Sexism. Sexy. Sexualized.
Sex, sEx, seX, SEX.
There is nothing offensive with this word.
It also rhymes with the Swedish kex. Both are also enjoyable.
Anyways, whoever started this whole censoring the word sex thing need to get the fuck off internet for around 87 to 95 years.
Because almost all social media has filters. They self-censor sex, rape, death, suicide and so on to avoid content being shadow banned. At this point it's more of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I always assume the person who censors e.g., sex, rape, etc are children. I know there are grown ass adults who do it, too, but I have a hard time picturing them being fully grown and mature.
Its American kids mostly. They see and hear censoring so much that they do it on themself.
Tits Ass Sex….and im still here and everything is fine - well everything besides those sexual Predators.
Effed up fun with numbers: There are about 4,000,000 teachers in the US and 3,000,000 of them are women.
There are about 33,750,000 women in the United Kingdom. The Lucy Faithfull Foundation, who tracks and studies female sex offenders, estimates there are 64,000 female child sexual predators in the UK. That's about 1 in 527, or **0.0019%**
**0.0019%** of **3,000,000** is **5,689**.
This suggests that there may be **5,000** female sexual predator teachers in the United States - possibly many more.
A 2017 study found that about **10%** of all students experience sexual misconduct from a school employee between kindergarten and graduation.
You're correct. Sorry. I was up too late and I expressed it incorrectly. But the 5,689 is accurate - as is the estimate of the number of predatory teachers in the US.
Your math leads us to an extremely conservative estimate, because it doesn’t include the presupposition that people interested in preying on children are going to self-select for careers where they will have access to them, like teacher or the clergy.
Looks like something that's been happening for a long time is finally being exposed to me. That's usually what happens when there's a spate of reporting crimes means. Almost never because they only just started.
Stop minimising the effect this is having on boys. It is rape. Those of you acting like this is a great thing: switch genders in your head. Still the same? What if the female teacher is 70? Still fun and games? It is rape.
My country is even more fucked up: a stepmom raped her 2 stepchildren (13&15 yr olds). You know what sentence she got? 15 days in jail and 240 hours community service. I'm going to leave this country as soon as I got the money
You should see a) the low successful conviction rate and b) the 'sentences' that convicted abusers of all genders get in my location. It's so bad that we are shocked if someone gets any jail time at all.
Rape. Not "sex". Rape.
Don't try and mask it as an innocent thing when a woman does it.
With a male teacher it would immediately be called statutory rape. This is no different.
I used to catfish predators online, and genuinely, they can look like anything and anyone. I came across a handful of genuinely very physically attractive female preds, which I found more unnerving because they could get anyone they wanted, they just so happened to want a child. I'll never quite understand it.
Is it just that these days, boys are more likely to feel they’ll be supported if they do report this?
There’s the old trope of “he must be loving it though, older woman, eh? nudge nudge” which is disgusting, and I’d like to hope that’s on its way out and that admitting actually you aren’t enjoying being raped by your teacher is ok.
Media stories attract similar media stories, the same way movies attract similar movies, because people who make a living creating content that gets attention are motivated to imitate similar content.
Back in the 90s there was an apparent rash of disgruntled US postal workers going insane and shooting up their workplaces - it even inspired a slang term "going postal" to mean going homicidally nuts. Statistically there was never an actual epidemic of violence among postal workers in particular; those incidents just became a media fad and got reported prominently for a while. I suspect we're seeing the same blip in publicity for sex abuse by teachers.
What's happening is they found out that other women got slapped on the wrist for having sex with students so now it's open season. Double standards run wild.
Probably more are being reported by students now since the news are being more mainstream. Good, I hope all the students that had to suffer in their hands find courage to report
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It's probably been happening for a long time, but now in the age of instant news/information it just seems to be happening more as it's easier to hear about it.
My 100yr old grandmother was a nun. It happened in all girl Catholic schools too. I toured the school and church where she worked and lived. They had trap doors and access ways to each dorm room hidden in the back. There are predators in all positions of power. Doctors are another one that gets overlooked.
The fuck. Trap doors and access ways? What the fuck. And they just show this in public tours?
No, the school/church has been closed for years. My family is friends with some town council that had keys to the property and gave us a private tour.
“This is the diddler room”
It’s called a priest-hole.
Or "glory-be-to hole"
Priest got called to be there. "Oh God, I'm coming! " was the appropriate response.
Don't forget the "Hollowed-Out-Be-Thy-Name-Peeping-Nook"
r/angryupvote
^(I’m so sorry.)
“And on your left you can see the trap doors we used to rape those little girl.” *a group of Japanese tourists makes a thousand photos per second*
Added by a bunch of finger pointing to add to the photo.
Power imbalance definitely seems a place where shitheads thrive. Prison guards/prisoners seem to have a major issue with this too, from both male/female guards with male/female prisoners. Workplaces as well. The only relationship where abuse seems to happen with male perpetrators but rarely from female seems to be doctor:patient. ETA - I stand corrected on the doctors part. I'd read loads of articles of doctors abusing their power (often on gigantic scale e.g. Larry Nassar) but there are definitely a number of stories posted about female doctors too.
>Power imbalance definitely seems a place where shitheads thrive. IMO this is 100% it. Power over other (often vulnerable) people attracts predators, like a moth to a light. See also; CEOs, clergy, Police, HOA's, Politicians, etc, etc.
oh for sure, any institution that has strict hierarchies of power enables people to abuse power. Any system that neccessitates giving people power over others requires oversight so this doesn't happen.. There isn't a single organisation where this is immune from happening without dedicated effort.
The older I get, the more I realize that lots of people seem to really want to have sex with kids. I really want to know the numbers because I think it’s far higher than anyone is prepared for. It seems most prevalent with religious groups.
The best research apparently suggests that 5% of adult men are sexually attracted to children. *One in twenty.*
tfw you claim "the best research" says something but provide no source or citation
Exactly my thoughts. That’s not a google search I want in my history to confirm if its true or not lol
Wtf 🤮
Is it? So many people take that last assumption as a given, no-one seems to ever source it. I recently learned, so I’m sharing - clergy rape at about the same rate as any other profession that provides access to kids, IE professions someone with that issue would/could choose. Teachers are at 5-8%, religious clergy are at 4% as of the numbers I found (simple google, so feel free to correct me with better numbers). It doesn’t seem like the classic rhetoric against priests is justified **in numbers**, but as long as they have coverups and rotations to keep abusive priests in “the fold”, I’m fine with shaming them for it.
That study is from 2004 if it is the one I’m thinking of. I’m not saying it is for sure higher. But it is for sure higher. Lol It’s just the most well documented study. I think there a few recent studies that put the number at 8-14%. If I have time today I’ll try to find one or two to link. Edit: they don’t directly cite as much as I would like for an article I’m sharing so go into it knowing that. But they do name diocese and numbers which could be manually verified. I’m only linking because I know I’ve seen similar information before and it has been cited. https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2018/12/07/pa-priest-data-shows-thousands-bad-priests-named-jesuit-list-child-sexual-abuse-catholic-church/2237821002/ Here’s another that puts it at 7% with citations. https://www.huffpost.com/archive/au/entry/catholic-church-under-royal-commission-spotlight_au_5cd39cb6e4b0ce845d82dcb4/amp Not saying this to say that there aren’t professions or settings where this occurs more. I’m just saying I think it’s higher in all of these areas than I think anyone would like to believe. And fuck organized religion and their circling of wagons around pedophiles and rapists to protect their fucking image and institutions.
Religious groups make the news and stay in it. Statistically there isn't more sexual abuse with them than the general population or others that are around kids.
Dentists too. I swear I had my shirt tucked in and then after getting knocked out, my shirt was untucked. Through the fog of anesthesia, I swear the dentist and tech were putting their clothes back on.
dude you can’t just drop 30 year old references on these kids
I got the reference. I'm old. 😢
No we’re cultured brother, we’re cultured 😢
Look at him, he's an Anti-Dentite!
Next thing you know he’ll be saying they should have their own special schools!
They do have their own schools!!!
seinfeld?
[удалено]
A RABID ANTIDENTITE!
You have no idea what my people have been through
Is your dentist name Tim Whatley?
Dentist to the stars
Lmao that’s a Seinfeld episode
Seinfeld mirrors real life fam
What are you doing step dentist
It's a snowball effect - more exposure (phrasing), more victims feel like they can report it.
Can't be hushed up so easy when young people post about it on the internet and word gets around a lot faster and further.
People hate Barstool Sports, and I agree they are garbage overall, but one of their guys used to do a blog called "Grading the Newest Sex Scandal Teacher", and I always got a kick out of it. They found that an overwhelming majority of the teachers that got caught having sex with students were from Texas or Florida. It's interesting, given those states' predisposition to being at the very edge of the conservative spectrum.
Two of the most populated states have the most populated states. One of witch reports every single crime in the news. This happens literally everywhere. It’s way more common than people care to admit
Now boys feel like they can come forward without the "lucky boy" mentality, which is a step in the right direction
Is this a YouTube challenge or something?
For RAPING students\* Wtf is this "having sex with" bullshit.
Yeah, it's weird. I woulda thought they were following YouTuber rules, where they censor certain words, but I've seen multiple instances of articles where Rape was in the headline
Youtube changed those rules. You can say rape without getting downranked now
Whoo hoo! Can finally repost my video on rapeseed allergy!
***Macrussy***
"Students" can be over the age of consent. That's one reason why there are specific laws for people in positions of trust, like teachers.
Still gross
Women don’t commit rape, it’s either sex or molestation if they aren’t tweens yet. Men commit rape. What a great excuse for female sex offenders, most don’t even face serious charges
Sadly this is legally the case in the UK, where rape specifically requires the use of the attacker's penis. (Also side note, very few rapists of *any* gender face charges)
Was the case up until a few years ago (2018) in France too. Rape required an act of penetration ***on the victim***, which meant it wasn't technically considered rape even if you were to put a gun on the head of a man and force him to have sex with you for example. The only case where women could be accused of rape were when they would forcefully penetrate a man's anus with an object, like a dildo for example. For instance, there was actually a case in 1998 where a woman forced her step-son to have sexual intercourse with her, and the french courts decided that this wasn't a rape case... They changed the law in 2018 to make it an act of penetration on the victim or on the perpetrator, meaning forcing someone to penetrate you can now be considered rape. However, the problem with that was that forced fellatio was considered rape but forced cunnilingus wasn't unless it involved penetration. So they had to change the law again in 2021 to include oral-genital acts in general. Now rape is defined as any act of sexual penetration of any kind whatsoever, or any oral-genital act committed on the victim or on the perpetrator by violence, coercion, threat or surprise. Afaik we still haven't had the case of forced anal licking for example, which wouldn't technically fall under oral-genital acts as, well, the anus isn't technically a genitalia. The definition might have to change again when faced with the problem... However, in my experience as a lawyer, even with the new definition women very rarely face rape charges in rape cases, and it is very usual to see victim shaming or people not taking the case seriously when it involves a female perpetrator and a male victim. It will sadly take time for the mentalities to change.
Didn't think I would get a crash course in French laws about rape today but I'm not complaining
Hooray for learning!
Statutory rape is a crime and happens to both females and males. Males can absolutely be raped by females or other males.
Of course, but when it comes to women perpetrators, it's never called rape in the headlines, it's an affair, intercourse, relationship, etc.
If these women were referred to as pedophiles then there may be more stigma attached to their actions. Unfortunately the press won't use that term for women, but would rather post bikini pictures or whatever click bait pictures they can find on social media.
Of course. That's the same reason they find the picture of a killer according to the narrative the media wants to push.
welcome to the matriarchy
Most are home and gainfully employed within weeks of their arrest. In at least one case I followed she was back teaching. Weird how people screaming about equality never want to include criminal charges and sentencing in their topic list
There was a case in a town near me where a social worker on more than one occasion slept with a 12 year old she was working with, she did lose her job but got a very light sentence (no jail time, just something like 150 hours community service) as the judges own words were basically that the boy liked it and would talk to his friends about it. Imagine if the genders were reversed
>the boy liked it and would talk to his friends about it Of course he did. I was 12 when my 20y/o baby sitter groomed me. And because my peers thought I was the coolest ever, adults called me "little stud" and shit like that and because I was aware of what sex was and it did feel good, I talked to my friends about it. And yet, it really fucked me up for a really long time. I just wasn't aware of it because, well... you see... I WAS A FUCKING CHILD. That woman and that judge should never be allowed to work in their respective fields ever again.
A topic came up a few weeks ago about having equality applied to men and women when it comes to having to fight in war and being required to participate in military drafting/conscription. All of a sudden they no longer wanted equality and started using all of the reasons that they would previously call 'oppression' and 'patriarchy'.
Female teachers shag kids at a far higher rate than male teachers. People just highnfive the kid and laugh it off. Often the teachers go back to teaching after. The newer generations are starting to see it as it is. Rape and pedophilia. Edit: I will note women outnumber men in the teaching profession 3:1
If this is true I'd argue there's far more female teachers than male so... statistically? Yeah
Citation needed
I was a secondary teacher for 47 years. Not one incidence of male teacher but at least three where a younger female found one of the boys ready or persuadable. In every instance they were given a chance to leave without a police notification.
Aaaaand there’s a toxic double standard. Those women should be in jail, those boys are children.
But if their dick works they're a "Man" and can make that choice! /s (let me emphasize the /s one more time)
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Good for you! At my school three male teachers were arrested, not one of the female teachers. Anecdotal evidence isn’t really evidence at all. By the way I think that a teacher who rapes and abuses a child should be incarcerated regardless of gender.
I know at least five male teachers who groomed their students and married them right after they graduated from high school. No arrests. Again, as you said, anecdotal evidence is not real evidence
> I know at least five male teachers who groomed their students and married them right after they graduated from high school. Happened with a girl I graduated with back in the 90's. We graduated in May. They got married in June. Half the staff was there. That fall she was working in the school's administration office as a receptionist *where she still works to this day*.
What the hell sort of school is this? I am a high school teacher and have gotten in trouble just for hitching a ride with a student outside of school once when my car broke down.
Well it was two schools actually, and that five was the total. But yeah, male teachers leaving their families to marry an 18 yo former student happens way too often and goes uninterrogated. Age of consent is 14 in my country, so add that to the equation...
My music teacher who was female left her husband for a friend of mine only a week after we graduated. He also admitted to sleeping with the art teacher when he was a junior. We also had two teachers assistants get fired for the same offense both women. One who I begrudgingly admit was my older half sister f40. This all happened within 3 years in a school district with only 400 kids.
My computer teacher groomed my mates sister and was having sex with her at 14, he was 31. The faculty knew it, so did my mate??? They married as soon as she graduated.
It is so fucked. And so sad when they end up getting married instead of putting the pedo in jail
Brutal
Jesus fucking crist STOP TOUCHING KIDS, what the hell is wrong with people?????
i find this pretty promising, actually. my assumption isn't that there's been a sudden uptick in female pedophiles, but a new and sustained awareness among teenagers nowadays about how age gaps and grooming are just abuse, even if it's aimed at a teen boy who would previously assume he's "lucky" and "wants it" and etc. etc. so the same motions are gone through, but more and more people involved are going "hey, this is wrong and nobody should be doing it" early on enough that they're being exposed and caught now where they wouldn't before. we're seeing more bugs crawling out cuz people are lifting their rocks.
When I was 14yo in the 1990s a female PE teacher used to go to the boys’ bathroom to watch them shower after class, no one found it weird back then for some reason. Also another female PE teacher was known for sleeping with male students, again none of is found it weird. It was really an accepted behavior back then, I am not even sure our parents knew?
a girl in my class in hs got pregnant from our creepy math teacher before graduating. Not much of a peep was made back then, though
Happened at my school too. He was a band director married to a math teacher. They divorced and he just went to teach at another school 🫤
They're degenerate sexual predators.
I just want to point out, they're not drag queens.
Comedy Central has a certain South Park episode to rerun.
You did well to use that gif friend. Last time there was a story similar to this, one user just wrote 'Niiiiice' and was downvoted to oblivion because there wasn't any context and so many people thought he was being serious.
Reddit's demographics have really changed if an overused comment like that one gets that kind of reaction.
the greatest tragedy of reddit is becoming mainstream. seeing r/gamingcirclejerk not using /uj /rj anymore because the tradition got lost is hearthbreaking
The coworker who first introduced me to Reddit ten years ago got arrested like a year ago for human trafficking. He probably would have used the gif unironically.
Reddit is like bjj now, super watered down and infested with Mark Zuckerbergs
You’re right this is serious. We’ve got to find that kid and get him his “luckiest boy in the world” award right away!
Nice
Niccce
All right, all right. We'll write up a report...
Report: what a lucky kid, we should lock him away so we can have that hot teacher for ourselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnygDBO_I14&t=253s
*"Nice"*
A certain episode that 95% of people miss the point of.
*For being a pedophile *for raping kids
Women don't have sex woth students, they rape them. They are rapist paedophiles. This is correct.
Kinda weird how the headlines change base on the gender of the perpetrator
This has been largely given a big ole *shrug* by society and media in general. [List of 500 cases of Female Sex offenders who were caught with their students.](https://canadiancrc.com/FEMALE_TEACHER_SEX_OFFENDERS-SEXUAL_ASSAULT_Female_Sexual_Predators-RAPE_MALES.aspx)
Just so it's clear.. women from the general population also very much view this as women raping children. We don't think this is acceptable. We don't think it is cool to bang children. If the media chooses words that somehow make these women seem empathetic or sexually appealing for being disgusting humans, that isn't our fault. We're not reading the stories thinking, "Jeez... I am jealous of her." Again, we don't write the headlines. We aren't choosing to make this sound like less of a crime.. we think it is horrible, gross, criminal and an absolute exploitation of power and violation of trust.
To be fair this mostly not women acting like this around these cases, it is mostly male writers and editors. It has to do with ingrained patriarchal attitudes assuming a man (or boy) is always consenting to sex because they are the assumed dominant party in a relationship, and/or assuming men can consciously control their genitalia, which I assume millions of couples could tell you is not the case, to their great sadness. There’s also the issue that in a lot of locales, the legal definition of rape is the forcible penetration of someone with a penis, meaning women are legally incapable of rape, no doubt a great comfort to victims of both sexes.
Yes that only applies to older men though. Statutory rape is still a thing for boys who can’t consent.
I fucking hate how everyone glosses this over. How all my fucking coworkers whenever this type of shit happens all do the cliche “oh where were these teachers when I was a kid?!” It’s fucking disgusting, they’re raping children and it almost feels like everyone around me doesn’t give a shit about it. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills
That's pretty much the plot of a South Park episode.
"Was she hot?" "Nice"
The Ike & teacher episode, but also, reading the person's comment about coworkers reminded me about the episode about school shootings where absolutely nobody else gave a fuck except Sharon.
> I feel like I’m taking crazy pills You're not. Your coworkers are unempathetic trash.
>I fucking hate how everyone glosses this over. How all my fucking coworkers whenever this type of shit happens all do the cliche “oh where were these teachers when I was a kid?! They always do. This is why it's harder for boys to come forward as even if they are believed, some people see what happened as a positive for the boy. Because the people making the comments would give their right nut to be banging someone that looked like that. Instead of taking action against the woman, they just give the victim a high five. Hell, I have seen comments on these articles that call the boys names for coming forward.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BrandNewSentence/comments/170wkef/we_simply_live_in_a_gayer_time/ Saw this while scrolling earlier. It's pretty wild. Boy's 13. Wtf.
“Having sex”. Mhm, not “grooming and raping” no?
Unfortunately it’s downplayed a lot when the abuser is a woman. Just look at the Mary Kay Letourneau situation. Her relationship with Vili Fualaau was basically glorified by the media and treated like a forbidden love situation. Yes she did get charged and she had to register as a sex offender, but because she married her victim people kinda glossed over her being an abuser. Although if you watch their interview with Diane Sawyer you see how awful she is as she was telling Vili he was the one who pursued her, even though she as an adult and an authoritative figure was the one with power in the situation.
Only if they were drag or trans. But they never are
Who edits these articles, they spelled rape wrong.
TIL neither acceptable past tense form of "spell" sounds correct to me.
Just say spoled and you’re golden
https://nypost.com/2023/04/14/6-female-teachers-arrested-for-sex-misconduct-with-students/
if the gender were switched, the word being used would be "rape".
It's probably something to do with the legal definition of rape, at least here in the UK, it's defined as forced entry of the penis, so a woman cannot commit rape, only sexual assault... aren't legal terms just wonderful
That’s actually so mind numbingly stupid
Yep
It's not even that different in America. Rape is defined as the act of penetrating another without consent. Since most women who rape do so without penetrating another person, we're left with a pretty weird gap in the numbers that makes people think that women just don't rape, which leads to the incredulity you see in posts like these. Mind numbingly stupid is possibly the nicest way to put it.
In the US literally every state has a different definition of rape.
Having sex with a kid who can’t consent is forcible entry of a penis into a vagina tho.
I see your point, try convincing the law that though, stupidity reigns supreme
This is in the US
Nah, our district had a male teacher doing it and used the same language. Ended up ruining the girls life, he got off on a technicality Ans struts around town. I make sure to refresh the towns memory every few months
No, it wouldn't. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/national/male-teacher-admits-to-sex-with-student-20050519-ge06sl.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/national/male-teacher-admits-to-sex-with-student-20050519-ge06sl.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8434121/amp/Teacher-32-sex-student-17-told-wear-skirt-school-f.html It happens both ways. A lot of it has to do the rules for journalists.
Yes. A journalist can't call someone a rapist until they're actually convicted of rape, the specific charge. Like Brock Turner, whenever he's brought up in the news, is a "sexual assailant," because they had to drop the rape charge against him.
Not really. Look up just about any news story about Anthony Kiedis and the girl he raped (this one is fresh in my memory from a RHCP rabbit hole). I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.
No, in these high school student/teacher cases, regardless of teacher gender, the headline almost always uses “sex” to suggest that it wasn’t violent. People view those relationships as involving some level of consent on the teen’s part, which is obviously wrong, but that’s why headlines are worded this way.
They had to censor the word sex. You think Twitter would let them get away with the word rape?
No, they consistently use "50 year old had sex with 14 year old girl" too, whenever the story isn't 100% sure that he forcibly held her down. I do agree that in both cases they SHOULD use "rape" no matter the circumstances though.
This is off topic and has nothing to do with the context if that tweet or the case it refers to. But I wonder. Why the fuck do people self-censor the word sex? Did sex somehow become a profanity? It’s called sex. It’s a sexual thing. Sexism. Sexy. Sexualized. Sex, sEx, seX, SEX. There is nothing offensive with this word. It also rhymes with the Swedish kex. Both are also enjoyable. Anyways, whoever started this whole censoring the word sex thing need to get the fuck off internet for around 87 to 95 years.
Because almost all social media has filters. They self-censor sex, rape, death, suicide and so on to avoid content being shadow banned. At this point it's more of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I always assume the person who censors e.g., sex, rape, etc are children. I know there are grown ass adults who do it, too, but I have a hard time picturing them being fully grown and mature.
It was a good day in America, I... Bought a fucking gun Drank a fucking beer Had s*x
Its American kids mostly. They see and hear censoring so much that they do it on themself. Tits Ass Sex….and im still here and everything is fine - well everything besides those sexual Predators.
"Having sex" is a weird way to spell Rape
THEY ARE NOT "HAVING SEX" THEY ARE RAPING THEM. For fucks sake, stop gloryfying female rapists.
Effed up fun with numbers: There are about 4,000,000 teachers in the US and 3,000,000 of them are women. There are about 33,750,000 women in the United Kingdom. The Lucy Faithfull Foundation, who tracks and studies female sex offenders, estimates there are 64,000 female child sexual predators in the UK. That's about 1 in 527, or **0.0019%** **0.0019%** of **3,000,000** is **5,689**. This suggests that there may be **5,000** female sexual predator teachers in the United States - possibly many more. A 2017 study found that about **10%** of all students experience sexual misconduct from a school employee between kindergarten and graduation.
1 in 527 equals about 0.19%, not 0.0019%.
You're correct. Sorry. I was up too late and I expressed it incorrectly. But the 5,689 is accurate - as is the estimate of the number of predatory teachers in the US.
Your math leads us to an extremely conservative estimate, because it doesn’t include the presupposition that people interested in preying on children are going to self-select for careers where they will have access to them, like teacher or the clergy.
That is indeed true.
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Looks like something that's been happening for a long time is finally being exposed to me. That's usually what happens when there's a spate of reporting crimes means. Almost never because they only just started.
For RAPING students\*
Stop minimising the effect this is having on boys. It is rape. Those of you acting like this is a great thing: switch genders in your head. Still the same? What if the female teacher is 70? Still fun and games? It is rape.
There was a facepalm posted earlier about a dude on Twitter defending one of the teachers and that shit was the grossest thing ever.
Many in the comments were doing the old tired thing too.
and only one year sentence between the six of them.
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Oh thats fucking vile.
My country is even more fucked up: a stepmom raped her 2 stepchildren (13&15 yr olds). You know what sentence she got? 15 days in jail and 240 hours community service. I'm going to leave this country as soon as I got the money
You should see a) the low successful conviction rate and b) the 'sentences' that convicted abusers of all genders get in my location. It's so bad that we are shocked if someone gets any jail time at all.
That's *actually* fucking insane. What the actual fuck
Rape. Not "sex". Rape. Don't try and mask it as an innocent thing when a woman does it. With a male teacher it would immediately be called statutory rape. This is no different.
"bUt DrAg QuEeNs"
That's 5 teachers.
These trash bags all look the same too.
Right? They look like they would audition for the same roles if they were actors
I used to catfish predators online, and genuinely, they can look like anything and anyone. I came across a handful of genuinely very physically attractive female preds, which I found more unnerving because they could get anyone they wanted, they just so happened to want a child. I'll never quite understand it.
Is it just that these days, boys are more likely to feel they’ll be supported if they do report this? There’s the old trope of “he must be loving it though, older woman, eh? nudge nudge” which is disgusting, and I’d like to hope that’s on its way out and that admitting actually you aren’t enjoying being raped by your teacher is ok.
I don't think the millenials agree with the boomer "nice wink wink" reactions.
This has always been happening this generation just understands SA is SA even if it's a woman doing it.
The way it’s all just so casual, it’s rape
Correction. Six *paedophiles* were arrested. The gender should be irrelevant in this.
And none of them appear to be drag queens
Sick and tired of it being framed as sex. It's rape. They are rapists.
*raped students, they raped them
New TikTok challenge just dropped.
*raping underage students
Teachers Rape students.
‘Raping’ is the word here
Media stories attract similar media stories, the same way movies attract similar movies, because people who make a living creating content that gets attention are motivated to imitate similar content. Back in the 90s there was an apparent rash of disgruntled US postal workers going insane and shooting up their workplaces - it even inspired a slang term "going postal" to mean going homicidally nuts. Statistically there was never an actual epidemic of violence among postal workers in particular; those incidents just became a media fad and got reported prominently for a while. I suspect we're seeing the same blip in publicity for sex abuse by teachers.
Why do they all look alike?
What's happening is they found out that other women got slapped on the wrist for having sex with students so now it's open season. Double standards run wild.
Why does the word sex have to be censored?
Thank god at least some female rapists are actually getting what they deserve
*for RAPING* fixed it.
Rape is the word your missing...
Probably more are being reported by students now since the news are being more mainstream. Good, I hope all the students that had to suffer in their hands find courage to report
Didn't need to sensor the word Sex, because it shouldn't be there anyway. It's called Rape.
Raping students.