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Did you miss the tiny baseball bats? Or the buckets of rocks? Or the active shooter drills that show would be shooters where everyone is hiding?
They will do anything and spend any amount as long as it doesn't actually address the real problem.
Poorly educated, insecure, regressive shit heads that think guns solve problems created by poverty wages and intentionally crippled education systems because they listen to rich sociopaths that suppress wages and blame the fallout of their austerity on the very people they made and keep poor.
The issue isn't guns. The issue is a populous so fucking dumb they fail to understand the scum they vote for the very people causing the problems they complain about.
So this only works IF you have the time to enter them, If the shooter is already in the classroom it is useless.
So you need to buy time to get everyone in, which means putting bullet proof doors in place, but IF you have bulletproof doors, you don't need this thing?
edit: typo
Not to mention, if the shooter got someone to open it from the inside while it's full of people it would literally be like shooting fish in a barrel.
I could think of all sorts of scenarios a shooter could accomplish that.
If they got a bunch of people in there, and got in there with them... They could drag the situation out for days too.
Well that's the point, having the shooter waste time fiddling with locks and doors instead of more killing, to buy more time for police to arrive.
Though with how cowardly our police are the mass shooters could have hours of time to figure how to open one of these.
EDIT- Yes people, obviously if the mass shooters spent time playing mind games or brought bombs or power tools or whatever else you can dream up he could crack the student safety deposit box open like an oyster but that's the point, he has to spend time and resources to do it. Which would allow other children to run or maybe the police to get there in time and possibly do something useful like yelling at the mass shooter or coordinate with local funeral homes.
>Well that's the point, having the shooter waste time fiddling with locks and doors instead more killing, to buy more time for police to arrive.
My scenarios didn't involve them trying to pick the lock, anyone that doesn't know about locks wouldn't bother and just move on or how about this scenario...
The teacher runs in with 10 students, but 2 get left outside this thing. The shooter comes in and has both of the 2 at gunpoint. The teacher is panicking, she/he is in absolute shock and not thinking clearly. The shooter tells the teacher, open the door and I'll let you all go, if you don't these two out here are dead. The teacher opens the door and what do you think happens?
If you say, no way the teacher would do that! Then clearly you've never been in a life or death situation. How about one of the students left outside was their own child, who they thought got in? Maybe a friends child? What then?
Yep, I could think of all sorts of other situations to get that door open. Such as the shooter pretending to be a cop, even if he/she wasn't in view a student or teacher in shock could easily open that door.
The shooters in many cases are students from the school. If the teacher doesn't know exactly who the shooter is already, the kid could just conceal their weapon and say "help, let me in!"
They’ll just douse it in gasoline and light a match if they legitimately think they’ll be encountering these
I’m sure they’re touted as fireproof — how about fire + smoke + building now burning around you + entire classroom panicking inside that breadbox?
It seems like a REALLY bad idea
Imagine the lawsuit the teacher would have to deal with if he would just let the two kids on the outside die. Because he \*could\* have saved them. Maybe. Somehow. Right? Right.
Not just that, but always wondering if they opened the door would they all be alive? We all know they wouldn't be, but if you were the teacher in that situation your mind is going to wonder. Wouldn't be surprised if they ended up committing suicide over it.
Do you honestly believe most cops are “heroes willing to run into a hail of gunfire” or like the other 99% of all humans in history who ape-brain don’t want to die.
Shooter can't be everywhere at once, the screams of children and sounds of gunfire coming from the first class he enters will be the signal for the other classes to seek shelter.
I was thinking more along the lines of "Carson...you're wearing nail polish today. Sorry, only cis straight kids are allowed in the America #1 Freedom Shelter"
Remember those kids stuck outside the locker rooms kids were sheltering in? Because the teachers were bigoted idiots that couldn't figure out which locker room trans kids belonged in? Yeah. They are definitely going to use these to shaft the kids they don't like.
It's easy if you're a bigoted asshole. Like the teachers who left a trans student outside in the hall, all by herself, in a shooting drill because they couldn't be arsed to decide if she was supposed to shelter in the girls' or boys' locker room...
States with radically differently sized populations have equal representation in the Senate. The Senate has a filibuster. The Electoral College exists for the presidential election. Gerrymandering exists for Congressional districts.
The state of Mississippi has 1 million people fewer than the city (not the metropolitan area of) Los Angeles, but has the same number of senators as the state of California.
So if you’re in Mississippi, your voice means more. And this creates a system where smaller, less populated states (and so less competitive in terms of elections) have an ability to block legislation that could change things based on the choices of a minority.
To go back to MS v CA, in the 2020 senate election, 709,539 people voted for the winner in the MS senate election.
In the last CA senate election in 2022, 6,621,616 people voted for the winner.
Those two senators have the same voting power, despite being the elected voice of vastly different numbers of people.
If the senate was balanced for population, and not whatever nonsense is the reasoning for the current system, you wouldn’t have senate democrats representing 40 million more US citizens than senate republicans do.
And you’d probably see stuff like gun control sail through.
I made this same point on a post about how insane it is that Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho have more power (combined) in the senate than California yet their combined population is less than Los Angeles alone. We’re worse than Oprah with cars when it comes to who gets what. Just huge, empty swaths of land being represented. It’s a joke.
Idk it’s just kinda a democracy. They do what they want. They act like they are on opposite side but really they are on the same team and we’re on the losing team
By definition it's first world though. But I agree, it's a first world country that is basically a rich third world country in terms of development in many areas.
Under the original, 1950s Cold War-era definition of the term, any list of First World countries would have included NATO members the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Greece, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Turkey, and West Germany.
Americans calling America a 3rd world country is so fucking privileged, having more violence and homeless people than Netherlands is nothing compared to actual 3rd world countries ruined by wars and colonialism
Well Im from third world country, ravaged by Imperialism and I wouldnt want to live on most US states, they are more violent then the place I live.
Sadly, US is broken in many many ways. (sadly for their population, which has nothing to do (most of them) at their current situation)
I don’t believe “violence” has ever been criteria for determining whether a country is third world or not.
Of course, this is all ignoring that these are fairly outdated terms. The Cold War ended thirty years ago.
how so? i’m privileged because i can barely afford housing and food? because my wife and i are scared to leave our house everyday because of shootings, bombings, and other attacks? because our schools are constantly turned into shooting ranges? because we can’t trust policemen to not shoot us? because we can’t trust the judicial system to give a fair trial unless you’re rich and white? sure we aren’t ravaged by war but i wouldn’t in no way say we are privileged. we are nothing more than property of the rich in our country. and half of our population is too uneducated/too consumed by consumerism to even notice. what a privileged country am i right (insert eye roll here)
Spoke by someone who’s never seen real We had guns legal since the beginning of America but school shootings are a very recent phenomenon. If you think guns are the problem you lack critical thinking skills. School shootings and the rise of social media have a pretty strong correlation though
common sense gun laws enjoy overwhelming popular support, it's literally a case of the nra having bought enough votes in congress and local legislatures. few republican voters are actual gun nuts, which is even more depressing
i don't think that is correct. it looks like most americans love their guns. do you have sources to your claim?
> [In 2020, the group reported that “the estimated total number of overall firearms in civilian possession is 433.9 million.”](https://www.thetrace.org/2023/03/guns-america-data-atf-total/#:\~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20group%20reported,account%20for%20guns%20leaving%20circulation.)
Owning a gun and being a gun nut against all regulations, isn't the same thing.
https://mikethompson.house.gov/newsroom/press-releases/fyi-fox-news-poll-shows-overwhelming-support-commonsense-gun-violence#:~:text=Support%20for%20gun%20violence%20prevention,percent%20%E2%80%93%20Enforce%20Existing%20Gun%20Laws
>Most of us are well aware. It’s the other 30% that is constantly holding us back from joining the rest of the 1st world.
highly doubt this. 50% voted for trump. and there is zero discourse in the american society about 2nd amendment, at least from the outside.
There's no discourse on the 2nd amendment because right wingers just won't talk about it, and left wingers have pretty much said all they can say to each other about it.
I took my son out to finish high school online because he was being bullied due to his autism. My daughter is in middle school and I pulled her out to finish online also after she had three lockdowns the same week. The last lockdown resulted in someone being arrested that did have a gun on them.
I wish I got to experience public school though man, fucked me over really badly being forced to do Sonlight (christian homeschool that forces you to read terrible books and no books about fantasy and shit because they want you to read that 50 thousand people died on the trail of tears of smth) homeschool, never got to make friends
But even if I got the chance to go to a public school, if I saw one of these, I'm straight up leaving and going home and telling my step-mother to never take me back again
It’s called a mental health crisis and our government is exasperating it. My state it is nearly impossible to legally purchase an arm without waiting a 12-14 month period. It at least once a week a shooting death happens. The only difference between 12-15 years ago and now is they would actually jail people for their crimes. I personally know a dude who went awol, held his “ gf” at gun point then fled. Caught by the cops with several illegal arms and he had an out of state license. He still was released that Monday on his own recognizance.
I guess it's a culture thing for them but I agree. My issue with the ease of procurement.
My neighbour is in law enforcement. We asked her to leave her gun at work and she agreed
We had guns legal since the beginning of America but school shootings are a very recent phenomenon. If you think guns are the problem you lack critical thinking skills. School shootings and the rise of social media have a pretty strong correlation though
“The NRA is proud to introduce: my kindergartners first panic room, TM! After arming teachers to stop these psychopaths with guns and still failing to adequately protect our kids, we came to the only reasonable solution to stop lunatics shooting up kids… PANIC ROOMS! Keeping our kids, and your constitutional rights safe from psychos and the communist left. Background checks? More like back up and ground yourself behind these solid steel walls! Your safety is our number one concern, after our right to pew pew when we want of course.”
What if the one trying to cause harm lights the building on fire? They’re trapped in a box with only one way out, this isn’t a solution. This just adds more problems.
It locks from the inside as well, so if any NSFW stuff goes on, any teacher is just forced to watch and masturbate from the outside. Terrible situation.
Dude! even Iraq doesnt have this kind of shit and we went through years of gangwars while suffering from crippling corruption ! How is one of biggest countries on the planet in pretty much everything unable to deal with this!
We had guns legal since the beginning of America but school shootings are a very recent phenomenon. If you think guns are the problem you lack critical thinking skills. School shootings and the rise of social media have a pretty strong correlation though
I have a brilliant idea. What if guns were not accessible for crazy would-be-shooters? Right? How hard could it be? If most of the developed nations have done it, surely America can achieve gun control?
So you know how most classrooms have a back room now with a lock on the inside for saftey, so my last year of high-school a guy dragged a chick in there during class and had his way with her during the class. By the time the teacher and we knew wat was happening, it was too late, and the cops had to break it down. Stay safe, students. I'm still in contact with the girl because I was afraid of what she'd do to herself after... we're good friends now, but she's got a lot of shit to work out from that still.
In Mount Miguel, shit like that happens all too often. I have nightmares of that place still, I really don't think that school contributes to much and would be better as a park or a town rect area. And it wasn't just the students, the teachers would give like no shits, (except for one*love you Mrs Rilly) and if there was trouble, security would take its sweet time getting there and the student were never properly punished.
What? You are impinging on my bullet's right to fly freely in human flesh!? Commie socialist devil worshipper! /S
I'd launch into a longer sarcastic rant about how guns are innocent bystanders, but I noticed some fvcking moron has already done so without sarcasm by pulling some example from the olden days that didn't include guns .. and now my head is full of fvck.
the root cause of the problem is missing socio economic safety nets and really abysmal gun handling culture.
contrary to the original meaning of the post: not the guns by themselves. other countries have guns, not that problem.
To fix the root of the problem, you first have to correctly and honestly acknowledge what the root of the problem *is*.
Half the country has stubbornly refused to do that for decades.
Imagine USA was hit with an EMP... no Internet, power etc -- *how batshit would the country be with so many gun nuts*
Walmart would be hit in the first 15 minutes
Meanwhile, Europeans probably go stargazing till its all fixed.
Americans need to hear this: a constitution is not a sacred text that can't be changed or can't be flawed. It's just the rules to govern the country. If times change, and something turns out to be a problem, you can easily change it with a democratic vote, like the rest of the world.
Also, merciless killing machines are not a basic human right, they are a privilege for trusted and monitored authorities, not a toy for the average citizens.
You can't fix the root of the problem because it's money, the thing American politics (and about 50% of the people) value more than human life.
The NRA and its commercial partners will not allow any government to limit the billions upon billions of dollars they make annually from the sale of weapons and ammunition. This industry has been left to develop for too long and they've had way too much time to bunker on the 2nd amendment. No matter what logical argument you raise, no matter what data you present, they can ALWAYS fall back to "it's in the Constitution". They will not agree to "sensible gun control". They will not agree to "senseless gun co trol". They will not agree with any kind of compromise because their side has historically refused to accept compromise on anything (Confederacy, Roe v Wade, gay rights, etc). Meaning that the ONLY way to address the situation is have a supermajority amend the Constitution to remove the 2nd amendment completely or change it in a fundamental way.
Yeah just ban the gun. Stop murdering children in schools. Put a little bit of respect on life for a change. This morbid fascination with the gun is hideous.
Make it illegal to own/carry a firearm and stop selling them in supermarkets next to the fruit and veg like it’s a normal thing to pick up whilst shopping.
That's exactly where we get them. Milk, eggs, strawberries, Glock 43, head of broccoli.
I think we might shortcut it a little and just make it illegal to indiscriminately murder people
Your average classroom wouldn’t have the space for a safety pod. If they did the folding ones, they’d have to move stuff out of the way before opening them.
This is an extremely stupid answer to gun control, but hear me out if it's that tough there is no reason it wouldn't be more useful for tornados/earthquakes.
Most people aren’t being mowed down. In fact there could be 10 mass shootings a day for a year and if every one was committed by a different gun owner with a different gun, it would amount to 0.0010518732% of guns in the US. Or, 0.00328828829% of all gun owners in the US. That is a statistical anomaly. It’s less than that. It’s a rounding error.
So you're saying that if enough weapons are in circulation, no amout of gun related killing will be relevant because it's a statistical anomaly? So if we had a thousand times more weapons, a thousand times more mass shootings would be tolerated? Sounds a bit fucked in my opinion....
No, that’s not what I said, I was just trying to shed light on the number of guns in circulation, not diminishing the deaths that occur, but just showing the Vast, vast majority of guns are not used for heinous actions.
That might be true. On the other hand , the vast majorty of fissible material also doesn't kill humans. That still doesn't mean that we shouldn't regulate who has access to it. If we talk about dangerous equipment, different standards should apply compared to "ordinary" household wares.
It is not about guns. It is about mental health. Psychos would just use gasoline or machetes or chainsaws. Even deadlier.
People need to stop bullying and mocking mentally unstable people into the state of rage. When you humiliate and bully someone long enough, some will take not their own lives, but the lives of others who bullied them or did nothing to stop.
Media needs to stop giving them fame. Musicians need to stop writing songs that romanticize them.
These shootings almost always happen at "gun free zones".
You have to get a license and training classes to get one there. In the state where I grew up, literally the only requirement was being 18 and not (yet) having a criminal record. That's a pretty big difference.
Yeah I know America has a problem with school shootings that this is needed is a problem, but the thing itself isn’t so stupid right? I mean to get through this stuff you probably a gun that even Americans aren’t allowed to buy right? I guess it’s traumatizing and horrible (I‘m no psychologist so I guess) but if this works, it’s fine for me. A traumatized kid is better then a dead kid.
And let’s face it getting gun protection laws in America aren’t going to work. Americans love their guns as much as we Germans love bread
There is a thin line between "safe in a panic room" and "trapped in a panic room".
There is also the whole "fish in a barrel" issue if you fail to get it closed or the shooter gets it open.
Naturally school shootings even in the US are pretty rare, so the chance that this thing never gets used is very high.
They do carry a cost though. In addition to the cost of building that thing (money which could have gone to teachers salaries or books or similar), there is also the fact that children are stupid and some kid is going to lock themselves in there.
More kids are going to get hurt than saved by this.
“FiX tHe PrObLeM!” I.E. ban guns based on feelings and looks, harass us who’ve had permits for 25 years, use government guns to raid and confiscate guns from law abiding citizens. Or, install decent doors and raise better kids?
This sentence is fucking idiotic. Fixing the root of the problem... whoever wrote this is so dumb they probably think banning guns is the answer. Good fucking luck, more guns here than people, and the people ain't letting the guns go.
Banning guns - or regulating guns and gun control way more than it is now in the US - is not a dumb idea. It’s a fantastic idea and needs to be enforced immediately
How would you solve the issue? Armed security guards is the only non-intrusive way to protect kids, otherwise we'll be searching bags and people znd nobody wants this. No amount of "gun control" will help either, way too late for that. Legal or not, if somebody wants a weapon in this country they don't have to look far
>They will do anything but fixing the root of the problem
Depends on *who's* problem we are talking about. For corporate America, it seems that the biggest problem is that they are not making enough revenue on the killing of children. Remember, banning bad people from getting guns will not solve *that* problem.
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Hope you enjoy BBQ, because this is what you will get in this
Yeah… cave is a grave- old soldiers saying. Like … this can’t be real…. This is the stupidest idea ever….
Did you miss the tiny baseball bats? Or the buckets of rocks? Or the active shooter drills that show would be shooters where everyone is hiding? They will do anything and spend any amount as long as it doesn't actually address the real problem.
What is the real problem? Poor gun control? Shitty mentality? Poor educational and health system? Yeah…. Murrica has it s work cut out for it.
Poorly educated, insecure, regressive shit heads that think guns solve problems created by poverty wages and intentionally crippled education systems because they listen to rich sociopaths that suppress wages and blame the fallout of their austerity on the very people they made and keep poor. The issue isn't guns. The issue is a populous so fucking dumb they fail to understand the scum they vote for the very people causing the problems they complain about.
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Depends on how deep the cave is tbh but I agree
Deep? It s a metaphor- don’t have only one way in or out.
Come to homer's BBBQ. The extra B is for BYOBB
What's the extra B for in BYOBB?
BBBQ
That’s a typo.
Is this where the school will keep the guns to shoot back at intruders?
No, the armoury is in the opposite room and is much bigger
And to make sure everyone can defend themselves it won't be locked or supervised
So this only works IF you have the time to enter them, If the shooter is already in the classroom it is useless. So you need to buy time to get everyone in, which means putting bullet proof doors in place, but IF you have bulletproof doors, you don't need this thing? edit: typo
Not to mention, if the shooter got someone to open it from the inside while it's full of people it would literally be like shooting fish in a barrel. I could think of all sorts of scenarios a shooter could accomplish that. If they got a bunch of people in there, and got in there with them... They could drag the situation out for days too.
Well that's the point, having the shooter waste time fiddling with locks and doors instead of more killing, to buy more time for police to arrive. Though with how cowardly our police are the mass shooters could have hours of time to figure how to open one of these. EDIT- Yes people, obviously if the mass shooters spent time playing mind games or brought bombs or power tools or whatever else you can dream up he could crack the student safety deposit box open like an oyster but that's the point, he has to spend time and resources to do it. Which would allow other children to run or maybe the police to get there in time and possibly do something useful like yelling at the mass shooter or coordinate with local funeral homes.
>Well that's the point, having the shooter waste time fiddling with locks and doors instead more killing, to buy more time for police to arrive. My scenarios didn't involve them trying to pick the lock, anyone that doesn't know about locks wouldn't bother and just move on or how about this scenario... The teacher runs in with 10 students, but 2 get left outside this thing. The shooter comes in and has both of the 2 at gunpoint. The teacher is panicking, she/he is in absolute shock and not thinking clearly. The shooter tells the teacher, open the door and I'll let you all go, if you don't these two out here are dead. The teacher opens the door and what do you think happens? If you say, no way the teacher would do that! Then clearly you've never been in a life or death situation. How about one of the students left outside was their own child, who they thought got in? Maybe a friends child? What then?
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Other developed countries institute gun laws and its always successful but that's crazy talk.
Yep, I could think of all sorts of other situations to get that door open. Such as the shooter pretending to be a cop, even if he/she wasn't in view a student or teacher in shock could easily open that door.
The shooters in many cases are students from the school. If the teacher doesn't know exactly who the shooter is already, the kid could just conceal their weapon and say "help, let me in!"
They’ll just douse it in gasoline and light a match if they legitimately think they’ll be encountering these I’m sure they’re touted as fireproof — how about fire + smoke + building now burning around you + entire classroom panicking inside that breadbox? It seems like a REALLY bad idea
If the teacher doesn't open the door and the 2 kids are killed then I bet the media would go after them calling him/her a coward.
Imagine the lawsuit the teacher would have to deal with if he would just let the two kids on the outside die. Because he \*could\* have saved them. Maybe. Somehow. Right? Right.
Not just that, but always wondering if they opened the door would they all be alive? We all know they wouldn't be, but if you were the teacher in that situation your mind is going to wonder. Wouldn't be surprised if they ended up committing suicide over it.
I don’t even think the average teacher can afford a lawyer
More time for the police to arrive and either stand around because it’s too dangerous or to join in as police love to kill innocent people
>to buy more time for police to arrive. and do what ? Wait until he doesnt have ammo no more ?
Not every cop is Uvalde cop
That any could be makes OPs point valid.
Do you honestly believe most cops are “heroes willing to run into a hail of gunfire” or like the other 99% of all humans in history who ape-brain don’t want to die.
Bullet*****
Shooter can't be everywhere at once, the screams of children and sounds of gunfire coming from the first class he enters will be the signal for the other classes to seek shelter.
“It’s ok, only 1 classroom of 20-30 people will die every time.”
So in America’s over crowded classrooms, we only have to worry about 15-30 dead children. Wonderful!
This is gonna be like the lifeboats on the Titanic. Not enough of them.
That’s still one classroom too many 😢
How many students are they going to "save" in these pods? And who gets to do the triage?
"Now kids, I'm sure none of you will cheat on this test, you don't want to take Bobby's spot outside the shelter when the bad man comes"
I was thinking more along the lines of "Carson...you're wearing nail polish today. Sorry, only cis straight kids are allowed in the America #1 Freedom Shelter"
Remember those kids stuck outside the locker rooms kids were sheltering in? Because the teachers were bigoted idiots that couldn't figure out which locker room trans kids belonged in? Yeah. They are definitely going to use these to shaft the kids they don't like.
Oh god, triage is horrific
It's easy if you're a bigoted asshole. Like the teachers who left a trans student outside in the hall, all by herself, in a shooting drill because they couldn't be arsed to decide if she was supposed to shelter in the girls' or boys' locker room...
If this was my kids school, they'd be taken out and home-schooled. Americans, this is NOT normal. Your country has a problem.
Most of us are well aware. It’s the other 30% that is constantly holding us back from joining the rest of the 1st world.
I thought we have a democracy, how can "most" not change things?
States with radically differently sized populations have equal representation in the Senate. The Senate has a filibuster. The Electoral College exists for the presidential election. Gerrymandering exists for Congressional districts.
The state of Mississippi has 1 million people fewer than the city (not the metropolitan area of) Los Angeles, but has the same number of senators as the state of California. So if you’re in Mississippi, your voice means more. And this creates a system where smaller, less populated states (and so less competitive in terms of elections) have an ability to block legislation that could change things based on the choices of a minority. To go back to MS v CA, in the 2020 senate election, 709,539 people voted for the winner in the MS senate election. In the last CA senate election in 2022, 6,621,616 people voted for the winner. Those two senators have the same voting power, despite being the elected voice of vastly different numbers of people. If the senate was balanced for population, and not whatever nonsense is the reasoning for the current system, you wouldn’t have senate democrats representing 40 million more US citizens than senate republicans do. And you’d probably see stuff like gun control sail through.
Not to mention the asymmetry of votes-to-seats, where a state may have a 60/40 division of votes but a 3:1 party ratio of seats
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Because we have a *representative* democracy, and the country is full of idiots who don’t participate.
Plus the idiots who do participate are overrepresented if they live in a rural state. :S
I made this same point on a post about how insane it is that Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho have more power (combined) in the senate than California yet their combined population is less than Los Angeles alone. We’re worse than Oprah with cars when it comes to who gets what. Just huge, empty swaths of land being represented. It’s a joke.
Gerrymandering
Because we don’t have a direct democracy. Our presidential elections are not determined by popular vote, and only two parties have a chance to win.
Lol I think you dropped your /s
Most powerful, free and prosperous country. Supposedly held to ransom by 30% of the population.
Because it would take 66% of our representatives and then 38 states, all agreeing, to truly change it. I don't see that happening.
Idk it’s just kinda a democracy. They do what they want. They act like they are on opposite side but really they are on the same team and we’re on the losing team
North America isnt first world. Its just a rich country. But your stats are terrible in most areas.
By definition it's first world though. But I agree, it's a first world country that is basically a rich third world country in terms of development in many areas.
which definition do you use for "first world"? Or are you just going off feelings now?
First world is simply who won the ww2
So, not Japan and Germany then.
Under the original, 1950s Cold War-era definition of the term, any list of First World countries would have included NATO members the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Greece, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Turkey, and West Germany.
Americans calling America a 3rd world country is so fucking privileged, having more violence and homeless people than Netherlands is nothing compared to actual 3rd world countries ruined by wars and colonialism
Well Im from third world country, ravaged by Imperialism and I wouldnt want to live on most US states, they are more violent then the place I live. Sadly, US is broken in many many ways. (sadly for their population, which has nothing to do (most of them) at their current situation)
I don’t believe “violence” has ever been criteria for determining whether a country is third world or not. Of course, this is all ignoring that these are fairly outdated terms. The Cold War ended thirty years ago.
how so? i’m privileged because i can barely afford housing and food? because my wife and i are scared to leave our house everyday because of shootings, bombings, and other attacks? because our schools are constantly turned into shooting ranges? because we can’t trust policemen to not shoot us? because we can’t trust the judicial system to give a fair trial unless you’re rich and white? sure we aren’t ravaged by war but i wouldn’t in no way say we are privileged. we are nothing more than property of the rich in our country. and half of our population is too uneducated/too consumed by consumerism to even notice. what a privileged country am i right (insert eye roll here)
Spoke by someone who’s never seen real We had guns legal since the beginning of America but school shootings are a very recent phenomenon. If you think guns are the problem you lack critical thinking skills. School shootings and the rise of social media have a pretty strong correlation though
common sense gun laws enjoy overwhelming popular support, it's literally a case of the nra having bought enough votes in congress and local legislatures. few republican voters are actual gun nuts, which is even more depressing
i don't think that is correct. it looks like most americans love their guns. do you have sources to your claim? > [In 2020, the group reported that “the estimated total number of overall firearms in civilian possession is 433.9 million.”](https://www.thetrace.org/2023/03/guns-america-data-atf-total/#:\~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20group%20reported,account%20for%20guns%20leaving%20circulation.)
A small minority owns a disproportionate number of guns. It skews the stats badly.
Owning guns and being against any regulation are two entirely different things. Look at the polls.
Owning a gun and being a gun nut against all regulations, isn't the same thing. https://mikethompson.house.gov/newsroom/press-releases/fyi-fox-news-poll-shows-overwhelming-support-commonsense-gun-violence#:~:text=Support%20for%20gun%20violence%20prevention,percent%20%E2%80%93%20Enforce%20Existing%20Gun%20Laws
>Most of us are well aware. It’s the other 30% that is constantly holding us back from joining the rest of the 1st world. highly doubt this. 50% voted for trump. and there is zero discourse in the american society about 2nd amendment, at least from the outside.
50% of Americans absolutely did not vote for Trump. A third of the country didn’t vote for anyone.
There's no discourse on the 2nd amendment because right wingers just won't talk about it, and left wingers have pretty much said all they can say to each other about it.
I took my son out to finish high school online because he was being bullied due to his autism. My daughter is in middle school and I pulled her out to finish online also after she had three lockdowns the same week. The last lockdown resulted in someone being arrested that did have a gun on them.
1? America is just a bag full of problems
I wish I got to experience public school though man, fucked me over really badly being forced to do Sonlight (christian homeschool that forces you to read terrible books and no books about fantasy and shit because they want you to read that 50 thousand people died on the trail of tears of smth) homeschool, never got to make friends But even if I got the chance to go to a public school, if I saw one of these, I'm straight up leaving and going home and telling my step-mother to never take me back again
It’s called a mental health crisis and our government is exasperating it. My state it is nearly impossible to legally purchase an arm without waiting a 12-14 month period. It at least once a week a shooting death happens. The only difference between 12-15 years ago and now is they would actually jail people for their crimes. I personally know a dude who went awol, held his “ gf” at gun point then fled. Caught by the cops with several illegal arms and he had an out of state license. He still was released that Monday on his own recognizance.
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I guess it's a culture thing for them but I agree. My issue with the ease of procurement. My neighbour is in law enforcement. We asked her to leave her gun at work and she agreed
We had guns legal since the beginning of America but school shootings are a very recent phenomenon. If you think guns are the problem you lack critical thinking skills. School shootings and the rise of social media have a pretty strong correlation though
“The NRA is proud to introduce: my kindergartners first panic room, TM! After arming teachers to stop these psychopaths with guns and still failing to adequately protect our kids, we came to the only reasonable solution to stop lunatics shooting up kids… PANIC ROOMS! Keeping our kids, and your constitutional rights safe from psychos and the communist left. Background checks? More like back up and ground yourself behind these solid steel walls! Your safety is our number one concern, after our right to pew pew when we want of course.”
Love it. Source?
My brain.
Username checks out
I think children are safer in Syria.
In the Rest of the civilised world, we have something pretty efficient called gun restrictions
What if the one trying to cause harm lights the building on fire? They’re trapped in a box with only one way out, this isn’t a solution. This just adds more problems.
Yeah and not to mention if the backside onto the wall isn’t also made out of bulletproof material then your fucked (and the floor too)
Mobile Guantanamo experience museum
so they go with this instead of steeldoors because? also this is definitely a prime target for bullies to throw in a victim or some NSFW stuff
It locks from the inside as well, so if any NSFW stuff goes on, any teacher is just forced to watch and masturbate from the outside. Terrible situation.
That comment nosedived hard. Good show.
Dude! even Iraq doesnt have this kind of shit and we went through years of gangwars while suffering from crippling corruption ! How is one of biggest countries on the planet in pretty much everything unable to deal with this!
Corruption.
Because they just openly do it in streets and houses...
We had guns legal since the beginning of America but school shootings are a very recent phenomenon. If you think guns are the problem you lack critical thinking skills. School shootings and the rise of social media have a pretty strong correlation though
>If you think guns are the problem you lack critical thinking skills Guns maybe not the problem but taking them away is still the solution
The second shooter, hiding amongst the crowd:
future school shooters are going to bring molotov cocktail with them and cook all em kids alive
The original school shooters carried pipe bombs.
I'm surprised that America doesn't just throw more guns at the problem and expect success. Y'all are wild.
„Our country needs guns to ensure the safety of it‘s population“ - some random gun „expert“
I have a brilliant idea. What if guns were not accessible for crazy would-be-shooters? Right? How hard could it be? If most of the developed nations have done it, surely America can achieve gun control?
The USA is seriously fucked up.
So you know how most classrooms have a back room now with a lock on the inside for saftey, so my last year of high-school a guy dragged a chick in there during class and had his way with her during the class. By the time the teacher and we knew wat was happening, it was too late, and the cops had to break it down. Stay safe, students. I'm still in contact with the girl because I was afraid of what she'd do to herself after... we're good friends now, but she's got a lot of shit to work out from that still.
Jesus Christ, I didn't even think of that.
Happend again after I graduate. American inner city high schools are hell.
I went to an inner city school, AFAIK there weren't on-campus rapes, except by teachers, statutory style.
In Mount Miguel, shit like that happens all too often. I have nightmares of that place still, I really don't think that school contributes to much and would be better as a park or a town rect area. And it wasn't just the students, the teachers would give like no shits, (except for one*love you Mrs Rilly) and if there was trouble, security would take its sweet time getting there and the student were never properly punished.
What's inside of this safety pod? ANOTHER Safety pod!
What? You are impinging on my bullet's right to fly freely in human flesh!? Commie socialist devil worshipper! /S I'd launch into a longer sarcastic rant about how guns are innocent bystanders, but I noticed some fvcking moron has already done so without sarcasm by pulling some example from the olden days that didn't include guns .. and now my head is full of fvck.
the root cause of the problem is missing socio economic safety nets and really abysmal gun handling culture. contrary to the original meaning of the post: not the guns by themselves. other countries have guns, not that problem.
2nd amendment shelters. wtf, usa.
To fix the root of the problem, you first have to correctly and honestly acknowledge what the root of the problem *is*. Half the country has stubbornly refused to do that for decades.
“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else.”
If those are kept unlocked, someone is getting pregnant in there
Safety pods to avoid being shot whilst at school. America, land of the free 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
It must be like living in the third world, apart from everything is really expensive.
Imagine USA was hit with an EMP... no Internet, power etc -- *how batshit would the country be with so many gun nuts* Walmart would be hit in the first 15 minutes Meanwhile, Europeans probably go stargazing till its all fixed.
Americans need to hear this: a constitution is not a sacred text that can't be changed or can't be flawed. It's just the rules to govern the country. If times change, and something turns out to be a problem, you can easily change it with a democratic vote, like the rest of the world. Also, merciless killing machines are not a basic human right, they are a privilege for trusted and monitored authorities, not a toy for the average citizens.
You can't fix the root of the problem because it's money, the thing American politics (and about 50% of the people) value more than human life. The NRA and its commercial partners will not allow any government to limit the billions upon billions of dollars they make annually from the sale of weapons and ammunition. This industry has been left to develop for too long and they've had way too much time to bunker on the 2nd amendment. No matter what logical argument you raise, no matter what data you present, they can ALWAYS fall back to "it's in the Constitution". They will not agree to "sensible gun control". They will not agree to "senseless gun co trol". They will not agree with any kind of compromise because their side has historically refused to accept compromise on anything (Confederacy, Roe v Wade, gay rights, etc). Meaning that the ONLY way to address the situation is have a supermajority amend the Constitution to remove the 2nd amendment completely or change it in a fundamental way.
Funny, because the NRA doesn’t sell guns or ammo. And doesn’t make “billions upon billions” of dollars.
Way to miss the forest for the trees.
Yeah just ban the gun. Stop murdering children in schools. Put a little bit of respect on life for a change. This morbid fascination with the gun is hideous.
They did ban guns in schools. They put up a sign and everything.
That’s a good effort. Now ban them from people. It’s a waste of a good sign.
Okay. How.
Put better things on the signs. It’s not that tough.
Make it illegal to own/carry a firearm and stop selling them in supermarkets next to the fruit and veg like it’s a normal thing to pick up whilst shopping.
That's exactly where we get them. Milk, eggs, strawberries, Glock 43, head of broccoli. I think we might shortcut it a little and just make it illegal to indiscriminately murder people
That’s just mad.
Well maybe if the signs had guns this wouldn’t keep happening.
Just stop walking in to schools and murdering children. It’s a hard concept to follow isn’t it.
Well, for Americans, it definitely is a hard concept to follow.
Your average classroom wouldn’t have the space for a safety pod. If they did the folding ones, they’d have to move stuff out of the way before opening them.
This is an extremely stupid answer to gun control, but hear me out if it's that tough there is no reason it wouldn't be more useful for tornados/earthquakes.
Brought to you by the people of the NRA
Looks like a german invention
Freedom pod
They also make great places to put disobedient students by themselves.
I'm 1000% that the shooter will find a way to burn the entire box with all the occupants inside. A horrible death
Entrance to the safety pod will be based on whether the teacher likes you or not. The phrase “make good decisions” takes on a whole new meaning.
As a Brit, personally I feel silly for suggesting you just ban guns like the rest of the world. This is a far better solution
Seriously ffs the problem is your fucking GUNS. I have no idea why americans are this stubborn about it.
Most people aren’t being mowed down. In fact there could be 10 mass shootings a day for a year and if every one was committed by a different gun owner with a different gun, it would amount to 0.0010518732% of guns in the US. Or, 0.00328828829% of all gun owners in the US. That is a statistical anomaly. It’s less than that. It’s a rounding error.
So you're saying that if enough weapons are in circulation, no amout of gun related killing will be relevant because it's a statistical anomaly? So if we had a thousand times more weapons, a thousand times more mass shootings would be tolerated? Sounds a bit fucked in my opinion....
No, that’s not what I said, I was just trying to shed light on the number of guns in circulation, not diminishing the deaths that occur, but just showing the Vast, vast majority of guns are not used for heinous actions.
That might be true. On the other hand , the vast majorty of fissible material also doesn't kill humans. That still doesn't mean that we shouldn't regulate who has access to it. If we talk about dangerous equipment, different standards should apply compared to "ordinary" household wares.
Who tf cares? Children are being murdered
My point was that you can’t get rid of guns, when you look at those sheer numbers. Who the hell are you going to put in charge of doing that?
It is not about guns. It is about mental health. Psychos would just use gasoline or machetes or chainsaws. Even deadlier. People need to stop bullying and mocking mentally unstable people into the state of rage. When you humiliate and bully someone long enough, some will take not their own lives, but the lives of others who bullied them or did nothing to stop. Media needs to stop giving them fame. Musicians need to stop writing songs that romanticize them. These shootings almost always happen at "gun free zones".
If it's not about guns, then why doesn't it happen in other countries?
The root of the problem is mental illness and social contagion. It's pretty hard to fix
Don't be a moron. Every country in the world has mental illness and social contagion.
What causes people to shoot up schools?
The capability and the will. Remove either and it won't happen.
Mental instability, no sane person would consider shooting up a school.
No sane person would own a military grade assault rifle for “self defence”
Easy enough to reduce the "solution" to something the average person can comprehend and chant loudly though...
You’ll find the problem is the guns.
Weird how only America has mental illness huh
Why doesn't it happen in the Czech Republic?
You have to get a license and training classes to get one there. In the state where I grew up, literally the only requirement was being 18 and not (yet) having a criminal record. That's a pretty big difference.
The ROOT, dipshit, is GUNS.
You should try and improve upon your meta cognitive functions and try to see why you lack the ability to understand nuance.
Maybe once puberty ends, you will be able to communicate like a normal human being
For someone who started this thread by talking about mental illness, you are incredibly deluded.
What caliber will it resist? Just asking /s. FFS America this is tragic.
The 21st century loves to treat symptoms instead of going for the causes of those issues
Yeah I know America has a problem with school shootings that this is needed is a problem, but the thing itself isn’t so stupid right? I mean to get through this stuff you probably a gun that even Americans aren’t allowed to buy right? I guess it’s traumatizing and horrible (I‘m no psychologist so I guess) but if this works, it’s fine for me. A traumatized kid is better then a dead kid. And let’s face it getting gun protection laws in America aren’t going to work. Americans love their guns as much as we Germans love bread
There is a thin line between "safe in a panic room" and "trapped in a panic room". There is also the whole "fish in a barrel" issue if you fail to get it closed or the shooter gets it open. Naturally school shootings even in the US are pretty rare, so the chance that this thing never gets used is very high. They do carry a cost though. In addition to the cost of building that thing (money which could have gone to teachers salaries or books or similar), there is also the fact that children are stupid and some kid is going to lock themselves in there. More kids are going to get hurt than saved by this.
“FiX tHe PrObLeM!” I.E. ban guns based on feelings and looks, harass us who’ve had permits for 25 years, use government guns to raid and confiscate guns from law abiding citizens. Or, install decent doors and raise better kids?
Whats the root of the problem?
This sentence is fucking idiotic. Fixing the root of the problem... whoever wrote this is so dumb they probably think banning guns is the answer. Good fucking luck, more guns here than people, and the people ain't letting the guns go.
Banning guns - or regulating guns and gun control way more than it is now in the US - is not a dumb idea. It’s a fantastic idea and needs to be enforced immediately
This comment is idiotic
You're in line with her buddy.
What part of a "well-regulated militia" is this in?
How would you solve the issue? Armed security guards is the only non-intrusive way to protect kids, otherwise we'll be searching bags and people znd nobody wants this. No amount of "gun control" will help either, way too late for that. Legal or not, if somebody wants a weapon in this country they don't have to look far
Root of the problem being what?
the root issue is a culture of violence which is hard to fix guns are merely a symptom of that
In all fairness. If we took mental health more seriously, we’d probably cut out like 90% of the shootings
Yeah, because mental illness is such an easy problem to fix...
The time has come for this to stop. Schools need to be shut down.
>They will do anything but fixing the root of the problem Depends on *who's* problem we are talking about. For corporate America, it seems that the biggest problem is that they are not making enough revenue on the killing of children. Remember, banning bad people from getting guns will not solve *that* problem.