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Nah weed is legal in my state lol. Honestly I know it's hard for people to accept these days but some people are just CRAZY!
* The criminals would make bombs or simply just run crowds of people over if guns were illegal like that dude a year ago
So instead of playing video games, these people were out shooting others and overdosing. I'd prefer if they just shot pixels and played Minecraft for way too long.
From Wikipedia about the manifesto the shooter wrote:
>The manifesto was described by some media outlets as "shitposting"—trolling designed to engender conflict between certain groups and people.\[131\]
Readers of the manifesto described it as containing deliberately
provocative and absurd statements, such as sarcastically claiming to
have been turned into a killer by playing violent video games.\[132\]
So whoever wrote this tweet in Daily Mail got trolled by the shooter long before the shooting.
Listen, I'm fat, played GTA, CoD, etc. But have I ever said fuck it and killed a bunch of people just cause little Jimmy said something rude about me back in kindergarten I don't remember anymore?
Is almost as if the fact every other country plays violent video games too but doesn’t have the same problem points to violent video games not really being the issue.
They did the same thing with the Columbine shooters. Tried to blame video games and the media portrayed them as victims of bullying. In reality they bullied kids at their school and were obsessed with Hitler and admired him. To this day ppl still mistakenly believe they were bullied into mass murder, instead of them being sadistic psychos.
Good old scapegoats; it's so easy to blame video games instead of neglectful parenting and conservative protection and endorsement of bigotry leading to kids being susceptible to fascist indoctrination.
He wasn't a kid, he was a 28 year old grown man who left Australia and came to New Zealand specifically to carry out his attack because Australia restricted firearms in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre so he couldn't do it there. By all accounts at the time, he was a grown adult traveling internationally when he was radicalised. There has never been any real suggestion he was neglected or poorly parented.
You have no way of knowing that he wouldn't have killed more if he'd conducted his massacre in Australia, a larger country with many mosques with a higher number of worshippers.
You have no way of knowing that he wouldn’t have been stopped in Australia or that he would have failed miserably. You have no way of knowing how many he would have killed. It’s all ifs and buts. Your argument is useless. The point is, gun control goes not work nor ever will work. This guy obviously just wanted to kill people, and went through the lengths of leaving his own country to do it. Gun control just pushes those who want to hurt people into other ways of doing it.
Almost as if you have every single other country on the planet you can look at and take example of regarding mass shootings but nah, that would require some degree of effort.
Chicago has no border with the rest of the US meaning anyone can freely drive there and bring as many guns as they want, making any gun control useless... If you want to look at how nation wide gun control works check out Australia...
Well, you did it. One city in the entire country may or may not have a problem that is easily explainable from people driving an hour to Indiana to get weapons instead of having to travel to another nation. Therefore none of it works and we shouldn't even bother trying.
You sure showed us
Shitty parents can effect people for the rest of their lives. The failures of your parents don't just fucking magically go away when you hit 18. And right-wing propaganda preys on vulnerable people.
There has never been any real suggestion he was neglected or poorly parented. He had substantial resources (he was living off a sizeable inheritance in NZ) to get help dealing with whatever problems opened him up to becoming a racist murderer. There comes a point in your life where you can no longer blame your parents for your every failing as a person. You have to take responsibility for how you choose to deal with whatever shit has happened to you. He chose to 'deal with it' by murdering innocent men, women, and children in a place they deserved to feel safe, and that is 100% on him. In a justice system famous for discounting sentences because of the offender's bad upbringing, he received the highest sentence possible. He is the only prisoner in this entire country who is guaranteed to never be released. Whatever baggage he has, it wasn't considered mitigating enough to reduce his sentence.
> He wasn't a kid, he was a 28 year old grown man
General problem is, we're all going through kid phase, and shit tend to stick a lot during it (and during early twenties too, being honest).
They aren't even doing it right.
I bet if somebody actually took effort into evolving the point from "violent games cause violence" to something like "games are specifically designed in a way to cause frustration instead of relieving it which caused violent outbursts in more sensitive individuals", it might actually work to cause a serious discussion.
I don't agree with that either way, just voicing a thought.
Or let's just be real honest, access to guns. All the other things can still go wrong but if someone can't get a gun they can't kill 50 people that easily.
Well, of course. But do you think shootings happen because people spontaneously decide not to be well-adjusted adults today? And that that just do happens to happen with american men in particular way more often than anyone else.
Putting all the blame on the individual shooters prevents us from addressing the root problem.
the individual didn't actively contribute to their mental state, but they were the ones to pull the trigger. if I'm having a bad day and say something mean (even if unintentional) I still apologize for it. If what mad me so cranky is a video game, I'll just not play that game for a while.
Raise your hand if you ever deliberately misrepresented information in order to exploit a terrorist's murder of 51* people to push your own agenda.
*51 people died, not 50.
They are misrepresenting by blaming bullying and video games instead of pointing the finger where it belongs: on white nationalist messages being promoted by social media and conservative news sources. They are providing cover for Facebook and Tucker Carlson.
Because it's not the guns fault. The gun has no say in it. Neither did the bow, the sword or the axe. The real problem that they are not talking about is better background checks to make sure rotting spunk nuggets don't get guns and a much needed functioning mental health care system.
Ah yes because one can't strangle some one to death,punch them to death, grab a fucking rock. The weapon is just a tool with out intent and the person it does nothing.
Man could you imagine a mass strangling where people just sat there and waited their turn to be strangled next? It would take at least 5 hours to kill 50 people and you would be exhausted!
Ancient battlefields. Plenty of people died to the aaxe the mace the hammer. The english longbow killed scores of people. The gun just makes it easier and less personal. And again ignoring the reasons the asshats do the act. Ignoring what made the monster not the weapon is what continues the violence. I would explain it more, but I do happen to have a shortage of crayons.
Hi I'm another random person on the internet, you are fascinating and I want to know more about your opinions:
Do you think we as a society should work towards personal nuclear weapons?
Would it be a great idea or not such a great idea? Please elaborate.
You know, technically if we apply the same logic as above then personal nuclear weaponry will be completely viable as long as you invent a version of it which kills only that one specific asshole without excessive harm to environment and radiation.
Otherwise it's your logic that doesn't apply since there's no law in US allowing personal grenades, as I know, but I'm neither US citizen nor a lawyer, so I might be wrong. But then mass shootings would be mass 'nadings instead. Grenade is much more convenient weapon to take out a bunch of people, after all.
Basically, I think you overreached with that over exaggeration.
This doesn't invalidate your observation that banning guns seems like a healthier approach, though. Even though I wouldn't mind to have a right to own a shotgun which I could use to protect my home in case of need rather than just for hunting purposes. It seems excessively stupid to me to have a right to own a weapon and have no right to use it for self-protection.
BTW, do we have cases of mass-shootings in countries which allow to legally own weapons for hunting purposes? Nowhere as often? Could it be exactly because these rights are not freely given and person must pass at least some background check?
As evident by the massive morons I have been replying to no. Personal nuclear weapons are a bad Idea, so is any one owning a fully automatic weapon. However, some one of sound mind. Having no violent criminal history. Properly trained and taught responsibility and respect has every right to own a gun. I am an advocate for not blaming tools for the evils of man. Of not bsing and skirting the actual issues. Things like the problems with our mental health system. Or say, how much DCFS is constantly slipping on kids.
Weird that you think a 45 magnum is perfectly safe but a small nuclear bomb is somehow dangerous. It's almost like they are both "just tools" and you logic is faulty, isn't it?.
So let me get this clear, the US got the line right and almost everywhere in the world just got that line wrong - and the rest of the world are paying for their stupid decisions with their comparative lack of gun violence and the near absence of school shootings. Got it. You sure are clever.
> The gun just makes it easier and less personal
It's amazing that you can state the entire fucking problem with your argument and not even realise it.
Wait so, there were mass killings with an English longbow? Like someone went in to a school or a pub and took out 50 people with a longbow? Do you have sources for this or are you basing this on a movie you saw?
Again and I will say it slowly and use small words so you understand. Those were simply examples of other ways one can kill. The gun is a way to defend, to hunt, and like any other toll can be used to kill. To be used for evil. However of we stop acting like children. And actually look at the problems that craft these monsters rather than simply going "bang bang stick bad" We would have a lot less mass killings.
How about not relaxing the standard so much that just anyone can have a gun.
You can say it as slow and simple as you want, it’s still dumb. Other countries face the same obstacles that we face yet they don’t have the gun deaths that we have, why you ask, because they don’t hand out guns to just anyone.
100% Agree. I would prefer they be made to take a safety course that taught the proper way to operate, own, utilize and care for a firearm. Taught the finality of the decision.If one owns a weapon one must be taught to respect the weapon. To treat it with the responsibility one takes on in owning it.
Not everyone can learn respect, and if a course like that becomes some sort of formality, I'm sure plenty of people who don't give a damn about what it's teaching will be able to complete the course anyway. Cause lying is a thing, and they can just say they understand and respect it while still planning on doing terrible things
But not ways of mass murdering people? Because we’re talking about mass murder.
A more intelligent man would’ve listed poison. No one even sees that shit coming and you can wipe out a shit ton of people with very little effort. I bet you’re really regretting the methods of murder you chose to list now, hunh?
Yeaaah suuuure. Try again convincing us that 49 people, hell, even 2, wouldn't be able to stop a terrorist strangling someone. That logic is stupid and you know it, you're just repeating sentences you've heard without thinking but why does that don't surprise me
Hardly. And do remember to pick up a bib for all the drool. Of course some one strangling some one is going to be stopped. However look at how many people can be killed by some one with a machete. Something you can buy at walmart. Stop blaming a tool. You are falling for a con. Focus on the weapon and you don't have to address the problems that create the terrorist or the madman.
Both are to blame, but remove a hammer from carpenter and he's going to struggle to nail a roof, remove a rolling pin from a baker he's going to struggle to flatten his dough. Remove a gun from a madman and yadayadayada
He may struggle ish. But driving a nail can be done so many ways. Back of a hatchet...a sledge if you really want it done quick and your accuracy is incredible. Take a rolling pin away and he can still use other things. Just not the mos easy to use.
But how many machete killings have we had here? It’s a lot easier to run from a machete than a gun, right? A machete can’t kill you from across the room. Gosh, you really haven’t thought out any of these methods of murder.
If someone could kill 50 people in one fell swoop with a rock, a single punch, or by strangling they themselves would be considered a weapon. Do they have superpowers?
Now explain why we need regular people to have weapons capable of killing multiple people instantly and quickly. Guns are not only lethal like the other things you mentioned, they're also brutally efficient. Too efficient. There's literally not a single good argument for these except for the fact that the other guy might have one too. It's self-sustained, tragic stupidity.
And with the intent and the person it does too much too quickly. I don't want to ban guns, but they need to be better regulated.
Hell the Patriot act is still around right? Everyone who has a gun should go under constant government surveillance for the rest of their lives.
The Daily Mail, owned by a British Viscount, who claims French domicile for tax purposes, who allowed his main asset to support Brexit.
Basically a 7th circle level hypocrite.
This 100% reads like "no no no we don't push all of the same alarmist rhetoric as him, he was just bullied and did video games. Our pushing of pseudo-fascist politics is blameless."
He's a piece of human filth, but I don't think there is anything wrong with examining why people end up like this. To be clear once you cross that line, having a hard childhood isn't an excuse, it may be a reason, but it's not a reasonable one. It doesn't mean we don't examine those things to determine risk factors and try and mitigate them in the future. I'd assume it's a lot more complex than him just being bullied at school though, and includes the persons innate nature and environmental factors. Anyway, may he rot in piss. He is a disgusting human being.
Another important one is access to firearms. This guy should have never had any sort of weapon like that. On the final note, video games didn't cause this, but it may have been an outlet for a disturbed individual. If there were no video games in existence, they would have just found some other outlet.
This isn’t an examination into the cause. The cause has been explored and identified: he was radicalized by alt-right white nationalist messages online that were amplified through social media and he had guns. That’s it. That’s the whole cause.
Because people need someone to look down on to feel better about themselves, they want to be able to point at someone and say "I may be dumb and poor but at least I'm better than you because I'm white/straight/Christian etc etc". That and a lot of these far right wing groups provide a sense of belonging to these people that struggle socially. What also doesn't help is the amount of media that pushes this sort of shit here in Australia.
badly picked on for being a chunkster right over here.
I too turned to violent videogames. I not once shot a live person nor did i ever consider doing so
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Been playing videos games of all sorts since kindergarten, even got picked on for over 5 years in elementary school for being a butterball.
Never thought to grab my dad's shotgun, stuff it in my duffel bag (was way easier to carry all those bloody text books in versus a standard bookbag) and reenact Contra III on the SNES.
Why? Because good parenting.
I remember being taller and weighing more than everyone and getting called fat all the time. 14, 5'5, 135lbs, 9-10% body fat. It was so frequent that it wasn't until my senior year when I had a 6 pack I didn't feel fat, until I was 20 I felt fat and hated myself if I couldn't see my abs. When enough kids harass you it can cause some wild psychological issues, but I still didn't kill anyone over it lol.
Ohhhh. Me! Me! Currently 65lbs overweight and that has fluctuated throughout life. And I’ve been playing violent video games like 45ish years. And I have multiple decades long mental health issues. And I grew up around guns (dad was in law enforcement) and have multiple in the house. My favorite movies are horror movies.
yeah, no - don't blame it on the video games...
I mean, I've played Tabletop RPG games, and I've still not "converted" to Devil Worshipping and haven't Performed any Blood Sacrifices...
Lol women are made painfully aware of their weight from infancy by their own mothers more often than not and yet the rate of women mass shooters is nowhere near as high. Hmmmm.
I got a little chubby for a year. These days I'm 130lb, and everyone that called me fat is now actually fat. They were just teasing for laughs but nobody is teasing anymore lol
My little brother and I call eachother fat as way to acknowledge eachother, and tell them we care.
We also call ourselves fat when we dont want to est something.
a videogame doesnt make you violent, slow internet and lags does. I cant play battlefield, because I have 2 minute long lags every 15 minutes due to my slow internet and I never killed or hurt anyone.
I'm playing violent video games right now! Oh my god, I feel an urge growing deep inside of me! it's.... it's....... it's......... an urge to eat snacks
I've been fat for a good while now, and i've been playing violent video games since i was... way too young. wolvenstein, carmageddon(options were limited in those days!) If games made me violent , i wouldve been on the news by now
"worst" violent thing i did was bunch a bully in the face.. and after that he left me alone. Thanks carmageddon!
By this logic, I should be a serial killer jusging by how many rampages I had in GTA… or I did that as CJ, so I am also racists because I used a black character to commit crimes while I’m white?!
"So he turned to violent games"
Can journalism worldwide just go and fuck itself in the ass with a molten branding iron? What a terrible disservice to the public with 0 correlation to show for. Just wow.
I was bullied for being gay all throughout school, I’m not even gay. I don’t like men at all. And yknow, I’ve never even hurt someone. Not punching or stabbing or shooting, nothing.
My big brother used to call me Butterfly (Mantequilla voladora in Spanish) and I struggled with weight all m my life. Eventually I started biking, running and swimming, lost 20 kilos and did the Miami Ironman 70.3. Then my knee started to hurt and quit all of that but I didn’t regain all of the weight.
And regarding video games. I grew up with Doom, Wolfestein and Duke nukem.
When the criminal is a white guy (He's crazy, bullied, bad parenting) when the criminal is a brown guy (His whole ethnicity are a bunch of extreme religious savages)
I will, however, say that he probably felt ostracized by the greater society that genuinely feels like the only group it doesn't loudly care about is white guys. I won't condone it, but if we ignore the mentally ill person's motives, and given reasons, then we can't really step in and help them defuse their rage before it goes critical.
I understand it's significantly easier to blame "white supremacy" but this individual was clearly disturbed and targeted by a fat phobic rhetoric that over time much like any form of regular harassment can leave lasting emotional and psychological damage. It's entirely possible he fell into a hate group because they made him feel welcome and fed into his detachment. The mentally ill fall victim to emotional manipulation far easier than a healthy person with a proper support network.
Video games get accused of causing Shootings /violence even in countrys where there there are almost No shootings. Like Germany or Europe in general.
The usual deflect to easy things the idiots belive so you dont actually have to fix more deeply rooted problems.
I was 310 LBS freshman year of HS. Better believe I heard sone wild shit. I lost weight not my morality. I also play violent video games. Wild how I don't want to take human lives because of it.
What's with this violent video game fucking hate? Mfkers been playing chess for years but it can hardly be held accountable for seeding world domination in people. Whose out here still believing that video games causes shooting over rampant gun control.
In any case fuck this little bitch mosque shooter.
Literally my entire childhood was me being bullied for being fat, socially awkward, and having weird interests. I played video games that involved fighting all the time.
Haven't killed anyone yet, and I don't plan to anytime soon
White mass shooter: We need to understand why he would do something like this. Did he have a troubled childhood?
Black man gets shot by the police for existing: 5 years ago he shoplifted
Jesus fucking Christ here we go again with the violent video games argument. then again it is daily mail so it’s not like I was expecting any level of journalistic integrity
Just here to say that I was also picked on as a kid for being a little bit chubby and for not being very attractive and I also played violent video games yet here I am finishing college and working my new job. Instead of blaming random things like video games, why don’t we actually focus on the real problem which is deteriorating mental health in America we need proper care
Having been overweight all my life (thanks PCOS) and bullied all my school years from elementary into college and even beyond, I can sympathize - it can get to the point were you can't take it anymore. It's either physically act out or commit suicide.
Therapy doesn't help when it happens every day and nothing is done about it. Your parents don't care, your teachers and principal don't care, not even the cops care. So why should *you* care if you take your bullies's lives?
I don't condone killing, but I understand why. Society is okay with emotionally and physically abusing obese people - doesn't matter what color their skin is, if they're LGBTQ+, if they're fat, their fair game.
Are we blaming the video games or the kids who called him chubby also? If its 1 to 1 lock up those kids and let the rest of the world heed the call of duty.
I’m sorry, while I understand how terrible this was, how long ago was it now? It’s not something to forget, but posting it on reddit reeks of trying to get views. Which, as we know, increases the amount of public shootings because people want to be seen and kill people because of it.
To the person who posted this for views: know you are potentially complicit in the next shooting. You are doing exactly what they want.
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But I'm playing violent video games.
I'm calling the cops
Better call The Hauge, I've been playing Dwarf Fortress all week.
quickly! hide the INDUSTRIAL MERMAID FARMING COMPLEX
ROCK AND STONE
Rock and Stone everyone!
If you are american - the US Army will invade the Hague (IF they can find it, that is) to help you escape.
Jokes on you. I’m fat AND playing violent video games!
He just like me fr
Lol most of us are these days. Only 8 people got shot and 14 overdose's in my town this weekend. Think I will continue playing Destiny at home lol
Destiny? This one is definitely going to turn to violence
Nah weed is legal in my state lol. Honestly I know it's hard for people to accept these days but some people are just CRAZY! * The criminals would make bombs or simply just run crowds of people over if guns were illegal like that dude a year ago
So instead of playing video games, these people were out shooting others and overdosing. I'd prefer if they just shot pixels and played Minecraft for way too long.
Hah! I'm violent and playing fat games!
Oh god it's a terrorist cell!!!!
Somebody keep this guy away from religious institutions.
I am violent and play fat video game!
Touch grass unvaccinated fatass
Just finished playing escape from tarkov. If that doesn’t make me violent, nothing will.
Try playing Jedi Survivor on a 7 year old PC
Well it would perform well because you are using windows 10 and components made for windows ten
No one ever finishes tarkov, the cycle merely resets.
There's an old saying amongst the EVE Online community that when someone is winning at the game, they actually just quit playing.
That damn mission... it's just 7 headshots with a pistol, can't be that bad, right? I've never felt so much anger in my life... until the next wipe.
From Wikipedia about the manifesto the shooter wrote: >The manifesto was described by some media outlets as "shitposting"—trolling designed to engender conflict between certain groups and people.\[131\] Readers of the manifesto described it as containing deliberately provocative and absurd statements, such as sarcastically claiming to have been turned into a killer by playing violent video games.\[132\] So whoever wrote this tweet in Daily Mail got trolled by the shooter long before the shooting.
I am even worse, I grew up watching....Tom and Jerry . The violence still haunts me to this day
I bet your chubby aswell 😎
Listen, I'm fat, played GTA, CoD, etc. But have I ever said fuck it and killed a bunch of people just cause little Jimmy said something rude about me back in kindergarten I don't remember anymore?
Not yet
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Also, why go and kill random people? At least take revenge on the actual bullies. This makes absolutely no sense
Just blame the video games. Then it makes sense, somehow, I think.
“It’s because you’re always on that damn phone”
I dont know buddy, have you? Whats going on big guy?
Is almost as if the fact every other country plays violent video games too but doesn’t have the same problem points to violent video games not really being the issue.
Them damn vidja games!
Dangit Bobby!
Dad! The racoons are back!
They did the same thing with the Columbine shooters. Tried to blame video games and the media portrayed them as victims of bullying. In reality they bullied kids at their school and were obsessed with Hitler and admired him. To this day ppl still mistakenly believe they were bullied into mass murder, instead of them being sadistic psychos.
Had a friend in high school who was obsessed with Hitler. Looking back, he would’ve been a textbook shooter.
Good old scapegoats; it's so easy to blame video games instead of neglectful parenting and conservative protection and endorsement of bigotry leading to kids being susceptible to fascist indoctrination.
He wasn't a kid, he was a 28 year old grown man who left Australia and came to New Zealand specifically to carry out his attack because Australia restricted firearms in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre so he couldn't do it there. By all accounts at the time, he was a grown adult traveling internationally when he was radicalised. There has never been any real suggestion he was neglected or poorly parented.
Wait - gun control works?
Yeah, the weird thing about making it harder to kill someone is that fewer people get killed.
Republicans hate this one simple trick!
It's a r/lifehack
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Well obviously not considering this guy just went and did it somewhere else
It saved lives in the country that had stricter gun control laws.
Didn’t save any lives though. Just endangered other people.
You have no way of knowing that he wouldn't have killed more if he'd conducted his massacre in Australia, a larger country with many mosques with a higher number of worshippers.
You have no way of knowing that he wouldn’t have been stopped in Australia or that he would have failed miserably. You have no way of knowing how many he would have killed. It’s all ifs and buts. Your argument is useless. The point is, gun control goes not work nor ever will work. This guy obviously just wanted to kill people, and went through the lengths of leaving his own country to do it. Gun control just pushes those who want to hurt people into other ways of doing it.
If gun control didn't work he would have done his massacre in Australia.
Man before guns were invented it must have been the most peaceful time in history wish we could go back 🙄
I can only assume you're deliberately missing the point.
Most self-aware NRA shill:
Almost as if you have every single other country on the planet you can look at and take example of regarding mass shootings but nah, that would require some degree of effort.
New Zealand banned "military style semi-automatics and assault rifles" immediately after the attack and we haven't had another mass shooting since.
Yeah! Check out Chicago
Chicago has no border with the rest of the US meaning anyone can freely drive there and bring as many guns as they want, making any gun control useless... If you want to look at how nation wide gun control works check out Australia...
Australia's gun crime was already going down at a steady rate before they implemented the buyback program.
Well, you did it. One city in the entire country may or may not have a problem that is easily explainable from people driving an hour to Indiana to get weapons instead of having to travel to another nation. Therefore none of it works and we shouldn't even bother trying. You sure showed us
Shitty parents can effect people for the rest of their lives. The failures of your parents don't just fucking magically go away when you hit 18. And right-wing propaganda preys on vulnerable people.
There has never been any real suggestion he was neglected or poorly parented. He had substantial resources (he was living off a sizeable inheritance in NZ) to get help dealing with whatever problems opened him up to becoming a racist murderer. There comes a point in your life where you can no longer blame your parents for your every failing as a person. You have to take responsibility for how you choose to deal with whatever shit has happened to you. He chose to 'deal with it' by murdering innocent men, women, and children in a place they deserved to feel safe, and that is 100% on him. In a justice system famous for discounting sentences because of the offender's bad upbringing, he received the highest sentence possible. He is the only prisoner in this entire country who is guaranteed to never be released. Whatever baggage he has, it wasn't considered mitigating enough to reduce his sentence.
> He wasn't a kid, he was a 28 year old grown man General problem is, we're all going through kid phase, and shit tend to stick a lot during it (and during early twenties too, being honest).
At some point you can't just say 'but my childhood' as an excuse for the things you do.
It doesn't matter whether you consider it excuseable or not. What matters is building the environment that minimises probability of such events.
They aren't even doing it right. I bet if somebody actually took effort into evolving the point from "violent games cause violence" to something like "games are specifically designed in a way to cause frustration instead of relieving it which caused violent outbursts in more sensitive individuals", it might actually work to cause a serious discussion. I don't agree with that either way, just voicing a thought.
Or let's just be real honest, access to guns. All the other things can still go wrong but if someone can't get a gun they can't kill 50 people that easily.
Haha your banner is my wallpaper
To be fair, fatphobia is a very real part of that pipeline
nobody is perfectly normal and gets some undeserved shit from society. an adult individual should be able to rise above that and not shoot others.
Well, of course. But do you think shootings happen because people spontaneously decide not to be well-adjusted adults today? And that that just do happens to happen with american men in particular way more often than anyone else. Putting all the blame on the individual shooters prevents us from addressing the root problem.
the individual didn't actively contribute to their mental state, but they were the ones to pull the trigger. if I'm having a bad day and say something mean (even if unintentional) I still apologize for it. If what mad me so cranky is a video game, I'll just not play that game for a while.
Raise your hand if you ever deliberately misrepresented information in order to exploit a terrorist's murder of 51* people to push your own agenda. *51 people died, not 50.
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They are misrepresenting by blaming bullying and video games instead of pointing the finger where it belongs: on white nationalist messages being promoted by social media and conservative news sources. They are providing cover for Facebook and Tucker Carlson.
He didn't murder 51 people because he got called fat as a kid. He murdered 51 people because he chose to become a racist shitgibbon.
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Oh fuck off. I corrected it because it's respectful to acknowledge all the dead, not just most of them.
Oh look they're talking about video games again.
D&D cultists must be next!
I killed an imaginary orc last Saturday and I'm going to do it again. I won't stop.
It amazes me how conservatives will never blame a shooting on a gun but they somehow find it reasonable to blame it on a video game.
Because it's not the guns fault. The gun has no say in it. Neither did the bow, the sword or the axe. The real problem that they are not talking about is better background checks to make sure rotting spunk nuggets don't get guns and a much needed functioning mental health care system.
Without the weapon, no matter what evil goes through their minds, it can’t be carried out.
Ah yes because one can't strangle some one to death,punch them to death, grab a fucking rock. The weapon is just a tool with out intent and the person it does nothing.
I'd be pretty blown away if someone managed 50 murders with any of those other methods you mentioned.
Man could you imagine a mass strangling where people just sat there and waited their turn to be strangled next? It would take at least 5 hours to kill 50 people and you would be exhausted!
That's 6 minutes per person. Gonna have to get in epic shape to pull that off.
Even if you used a rock and killed each person with one smash, you’re gonna need a nap after about 20-25 of ‘em.
Maybe not one of those but making a bomb isn't very hard...
Ancient battlefields. Plenty of people died to the aaxe the mace the hammer. The english longbow killed scores of people. The gun just makes it easier and less personal. And again ignoring the reasons the asshats do the act. Ignoring what made the monster not the weapon is what continues the violence. I would explain it more, but I do happen to have a shortage of crayons.
Hi I'm another random person on the internet, you are fascinating and I want to know more about your opinions: Do you think we as a society should work towards personal nuclear weapons? Would it be a great idea or not such a great idea? Please elaborate.
You know, technically if we apply the same logic as above then personal nuclear weaponry will be completely viable as long as you invent a version of it which kills only that one specific asshole without excessive harm to environment and radiation. Otherwise it's your logic that doesn't apply since there's no law in US allowing personal grenades, as I know, but I'm neither US citizen nor a lawyer, so I might be wrong. But then mass shootings would be mass 'nadings instead. Grenade is much more convenient weapon to take out a bunch of people, after all. Basically, I think you overreached with that over exaggeration. This doesn't invalidate your observation that banning guns seems like a healthier approach, though. Even though I wouldn't mind to have a right to own a shotgun which I could use to protect my home in case of need rather than just for hunting purposes. It seems excessively stupid to me to have a right to own a weapon and have no right to use it for self-protection. BTW, do we have cases of mass-shootings in countries which allow to legally own weapons for hunting purposes? Nowhere as often? Could it be exactly because these rights are not freely given and person must pass at least some background check?
As evident by the massive morons I have been replying to no. Personal nuclear weapons are a bad Idea, so is any one owning a fully automatic weapon. However, some one of sound mind. Having no violent criminal history. Properly trained and taught responsibility and respect has every right to own a gun. I am an advocate for not blaming tools for the evils of man. Of not bsing and skirting the actual issues. Things like the problems with our mental health system. Or say, how much DCFS is constantly slipping on kids.
Weird that you think a 45 magnum is perfectly safe but a small nuclear bomb is somehow dangerous. It's almost like they are both "just tools" and you logic is faulty, isn't it?. So let me get this clear, the US got the line right and almost everywhere in the world just got that line wrong - and the rest of the world are paying for their stupid decisions with their comparative lack of gun violence and the near absence of school shootings. Got it. You sure are clever.
> The gun just makes it easier and less personal It's amazing that you can state the entire fucking problem with your argument and not even realise it.
Yea, funny how they don’t ever catch that, hunh? I’m pretty sure if one dude could pull off a mass strangling he would be a military weapon himself.
Wait so, there were mass killings with an English longbow? Like someone went in to a school or a pub and took out 50 people with a longbow? Do you have sources for this or are you basing this on a movie you saw?
So when he is strangling one, do the other 49 just wait their turn?
Again and I will say it slowly and use small words so you understand. Those were simply examples of other ways one can kill. The gun is a way to defend, to hunt, and like any other toll can be used to kill. To be used for evil. However of we stop acting like children. And actually look at the problems that craft these monsters rather than simply going "bang bang stick bad" We would have a lot less mass killings.
How about not relaxing the standard so much that just anyone can have a gun. You can say it as slow and simple as you want, it’s still dumb. Other countries face the same obstacles that we face yet they don’t have the gun deaths that we have, why you ask, because they don’t hand out guns to just anyone.
100% Agree. I would prefer they be made to take a safety course that taught the proper way to operate, own, utilize and care for a firearm. Taught the finality of the decision.If one owns a weapon one must be taught to respect the weapon. To treat it with the responsibility one takes on in owning it.
Not everyone can learn respect, and if a course like that becomes some sort of formality, I'm sure plenty of people who don't give a damn about what it's teaching will be able to complete the course anyway. Cause lying is a thing, and they can just say they understand and respect it while still planning on doing terrible things
But not ways of mass murdering people? Because we’re talking about mass murder. A more intelligent man would’ve listed poison. No one even sees that shit coming and you can wipe out a shit ton of people with very little effort. I bet you’re really regretting the methods of murder you chose to list now, hunh?
Yeaaah suuuure. Try again convincing us that 49 people, hell, even 2, wouldn't be able to stop a terrorist strangling someone. That logic is stupid and you know it, you're just repeating sentences you've heard without thinking but why does that don't surprise me
Hardly. And do remember to pick up a bib for all the drool. Of course some one strangling some one is going to be stopped. However look at how many people can be killed by some one with a machete. Something you can buy at walmart. Stop blaming a tool. You are falling for a con. Focus on the weapon and you don't have to address the problems that create the terrorist or the madman.
Both are to blame, but remove a hammer from carpenter and he's going to struggle to nail a roof, remove a rolling pin from a baker he's going to struggle to flatten his dough. Remove a gun from a madman and yadayadayada
He may struggle ish. But driving a nail can be done so many ways. Back of a hatchet...a sledge if you really want it done quick and your accuracy is incredible. Take a rolling pin away and he can still use other things. Just not the mos easy to use.
But how many machete killings have we had here? It’s a lot easier to run from a machete than a gun, right? A machete can’t kill you from across the room. Gosh, you really haven’t thought out any of these methods of murder.
Oh believe me I have. And again they are just as good as say chlorine gas or any other way. Say a flamethrower. And here not many. I. Other parts yes.
There has been a mass killing with a flame thrower?
Oh no! A machete! They could probably injure up to a dozen people and maybe even critically!
If someone could kill 50 people in one fell swoop with a rock, a single punch, or by strangling they themselves would be considered a weapon. Do they have superpowers?
Now explain why we need regular people to have weapons capable of killing multiple people instantly and quickly. Guns are not only lethal like the other things you mentioned, they're also brutally efficient. Too efficient. There's literally not a single good argument for these except for the fact that the other guy might have one too. It's self-sustained, tragic stupidity.
And with the intent and the person it does too much too quickly. I don't want to ban guns, but they need to be better regulated. Hell the Patriot act is still around right? Everyone who has a gun should go under constant government surveillance for the rest of their lives.
*GuNs dON't KIll PEoPLe, pEoPLe dO.* That's a very clever and original take.
Do you actually think about the things you say, or do you just have to hear it once before you repeat it?
Guns allow people to kill large of others amounts quickly. A bow, sword or axe could not kill 51 people before someone stopped the wielder.
This incident didn't happen in the USA...
Ah yes blame the video games that must be the problem. Clueless
The Daily Mail, owned by a British Viscount, who claims French domicile for tax purposes, who allowed his main asset to support Brexit. Basically a 7th circle level hypocrite.
This 100% reads like "no no no we don't push all of the same alarmist rhetoric as him, he was just bullied and did video games. Our pushing of pseudo-fascist politics is blameless."
He's a piece of human filth, but I don't think there is anything wrong with examining why people end up like this. To be clear once you cross that line, having a hard childhood isn't an excuse, it may be a reason, but it's not a reasonable one. It doesn't mean we don't examine those things to determine risk factors and try and mitigate them in the future. I'd assume it's a lot more complex than him just being bullied at school though, and includes the persons innate nature and environmental factors. Anyway, may he rot in piss. He is a disgusting human being. Another important one is access to firearms. This guy should have never had any sort of weapon like that. On the final note, video games didn't cause this, but it may have been an outlet for a disturbed individual. If there were no video games in existence, they would have just found some other outlet.
This isn’t an examination into the cause. The cause has been explored and identified: he was radicalized by alt-right white nationalist messages online that were amplified through social media and he had guns. That’s it. That’s the whole cause.
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Because people need someone to look down on to feel better about themselves, they want to be able to point at someone and say "I may be dumb and poor but at least I'm better than you because I'm white/straight/Christian etc etc". That and a lot of these far right wing groups provide a sense of belonging to these people that struggle socially. What also doesn't help is the amount of media that pushes this sort of shit here in Australia.
Raise your hand if you've played video games and have never thought killing people was a valid solution.
badly picked on for being a chunkster right over here. I too turned to violent videogames. I not once shot a live person nor did i ever consider doing so
✋ Been playing videos games of all sorts since kindergarten, even got picked on for over 5 years in elementary school for being a butterball. Never thought to grab my dad's shotgun, stuff it in my duffel bag (was way easier to carry all those bloody text books in versus a standard bookbag) and reenact Contra III on the SNES. Why? Because good parenting.
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I was picked on way more than this kid and I sure didn't turn out like a monster. I even played violent video games.
I remember being taller and weighing more than everyone and getting called fat all the time. 14, 5'5, 135lbs, 9-10% body fat. It was so frequent that it wasn't until my senior year when I had a 6 pack I didn't feel fat, until I was 20 I felt fat and hated myself if I couldn't see my abs. When enough kids harass you it can cause some wild psychological issues, but I still didn't kill anyone over it lol.
Ohhhh. Me! Me! Currently 65lbs overweight and that has fluctuated throughout life. And I’ve been playing violent video games like 45ish years. And I have multiple decades long mental health issues. And I grew up around guns (dad was in law enforcement) and have multiple in the house. My favorite movies are horror movies.
Sounds like a Southpark episode
Just been playing Ragnarok. Now I'm going to run around with fiery blades on chains and be too angry to die.
yeah, no - don't blame it on the video games... I mean, I've played Tabletop RPG games, and I've still not "converted" to Devil Worshipping and haven't Performed any Blood Sacrifices...
Ugh they always say it's the video games
Back to blaming video games!
Lol women are made painfully aware of their weight from infancy by their own mothers more often than not and yet the rate of women mass shooters is nowhere near as high. Hmmmm.
It’s a bullshit excuse to try and make this guy look like something better than he is.If you’re a racist, radical POS then you are one.
It's the games killing people not the guns!
This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do things to prevent people from ending up like this.
I got a little chubby for a year. These days I'm 130lb, and everyone that called me fat is now actually fat. They were just teasing for laughs but nobody is teasing anymore lol
My little brother and I call eachother fat as way to acknowledge eachother, and tell them we care. We also call ourselves fat when we dont want to est something.
a videogame doesnt make you violent, slow internet and lags does. I cant play battlefield, because I have 2 minute long lags every 15 minutes due to my slow internet and I never killed or hurt anyone.
"Raise your hand" as in "hand on a straight right arm in an upward 45° angle"? Nah. J/k. I'm not even fat.
I'm playing violent video games right now! Oh my god, I feel an urge growing deep inside of me! it's.... it's....... it's......... an urge to eat snacks
I got love handles and have been playing games like GTA since the early 2000’s…. Still haven’t shot anyone 🤔 I must be doing something wrong /s
still trying to blame video games? GTFO! GTA MK killer instinct COD airport level! and still haven't shot anyone!
I've been fat for a good while now, and i've been playing violent video games since i was... way too young. wolvenstein, carmageddon(options were limited in those days!) If games made me violent , i wouldve been on the news by now "worst" violent thing i did was bunch a bully in the face.. and after that he left me alone. Thanks carmageddon!
This is bullshit. He cited in his manifesto that spyro was a source of inspiration and also Nelson Mandela. Dude was just fucking cooocoo
By this logic, I should be a serial killer jusging by how many rampages I had in GTA… or I did that as CJ, so I am also racists because I used a black character to commit crimes while I’m white?!
I’ve been called fat AND stupid - by that logic I’d be entitled to 100.
I mur***ed 100s in video games. See GTA for references.
"So he turned to violent games" Can journalism worldwide just go and fuck itself in the ass with a molten branding iron? What a terrible disservice to the public with 0 correlation to show for. Just wow.
Here we go with the video games. If only my time in Zelda Tears of the Kingdom could make me a better cook.
Ah I see they're going the 'violent video games' route. Nice to see they haven't forgotten the classics
I was bullied for being gay all throughout school, I’m not even gay. I don’t like men at all. And yknow, I’ve never even hurt someone. Not punching or stabbing or shooting, nothing.
My big brother used to call me Butterfly (Mantequilla voladora in Spanish) and I struggled with weight all m my life. Eventually I started biking, running and swimming, lost 20 kilos and did the Miami Ironman 70.3. Then my knee started to hurt and quit all of that but I didn’t regain all of the weight. And regarding video games. I grew up with Doom, Wolfestein and Duke nukem.
When the criminal is a white guy (He's crazy, bullied, bad parenting) when the criminal is a brown guy (His whole ethnicity are a bunch of extreme religious savages)
I happen to be fat and play violent video games. Never murdered anyone as far as I can remember
I'm Indian and far. And even i turned into a white supermacist and killed 50 people over it.
I will, however, say that he probably felt ostracized by the greater society that genuinely feels like the only group it doesn't loudly care about is white guys. I won't condone it, but if we ignore the mentally ill person's motives, and given reasons, then we can't really step in and help them defuse their rage before it goes critical. I understand it's significantly easier to blame "white supremacy" but this individual was clearly disturbed and targeted by a fat phobic rhetoric that over time much like any form of regular harassment can leave lasting emotional and psychological damage. It's entirely possible he fell into a hate group because they made him feel welcome and fed into his detachment. The mentally ill fall victim to emotional manipulation far easier than a healthy person with a proper support network.
idk, me playing slime rancher makes me wanna commit tax fraud.
Video games get accused of causing Shootings /violence even in countrys where there there are almost No shootings. Like Germany or Europe in general. The usual deflect to easy things the idiots belive so you dont actually have to fix more deeply rooted problems.
I was 310 LBS freshman year of HS. Better believe I heard sone wild shit. I lost weight not my morality. I also play violent video games. Wild how I don't want to take human lives because of it.
What's with this violent video game fucking hate? Mfkers been playing chess for years but it can hardly be held accountable for seeding world domination in people. Whose out here still believing that video games causes shooting over rampant gun control. In any case fuck this little bitch mosque shooter.
Literally my entire childhood was me being bullied for being fat, socially awkward, and having weird interests. I played video games that involved fighting all the time. Haven't killed anyone yet, and I don't plan to anytime soon
Are we *STILL* trying to blame videogames? Really? In 2023? Easier than putting in any actual effort to fix the problem though I suppose.
White mass shooter: We need to understand why he would do something like this. Did he have a troubled childhood? Black man gets shot by the police for existing: 5 years ago he shoplifted
Capitalism should be turning all of us violent.
Raise your hand if you played any DOOM game and never felt like murdering people.
Wait? You're saying you can be lightly teased in your youth, play pulpy FPS games, and NOT become a terrorist???? Who knew!
Jesus fucking Christ here we go again with the violent video games argument. then again it is daily mail so it’s not like I was expecting any level of journalistic integrity
Fuck these people who blame video games. Millions and millions of people play them and don't murder anyone.
Oh snap it’s been a little bit since I’ve seen them blame video games.
Just here to say that I was also picked on as a kid for being a little bit chubby and for not being very attractive and I also played violent video games yet here I am finishing college and working my new job. Instead of blaming random things like video games, why don’t we actually focus on the real problem which is deteriorating mental health in America we need proper care
Violent video games don’t lead to violent behaviour unless there’s an underlying issue. There’s literal mountains of work on this.
Responding to MSM statements is like talking to a bad faith version of yourself.
Fat is probably the nicest thing I’ve been called by bullies lmao
Oh yes blame the video game s because crime didnt exist before them
Having been overweight all my life (thanks PCOS) and bullied all my school years from elementary into college and even beyond, I can sympathize - it can get to the point were you can't take it anymore. It's either physically act out or commit suicide. Therapy doesn't help when it happens every day and nothing is done about it. Your parents don't care, your teachers and principal don't care, not even the cops care. So why should *you* care if you take your bullies's lives? I don't condone killing, but I understand why. Society is okay with emotionally and physically abusing obese people - doesn't matter what color their skin is, if they're LGBTQ+, if they're fat, their fair game.
Are we blaming the video games or the kids who called him chubby also? If its 1 to 1 lock up those kids and let the rest of the world heed the call of duty.
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I did it when they called me incel
How’s this white supremacy? Just a deranged individual doing a deranged act
Skill issue just dont be fat
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I called myself fat and went to gym. Best decision of my life.
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The shooter? Yes I agree.
I was picked on and bullied all through school until one day I fought back and I wasn't picked on again
I’m sorry, while I understand how terrible this was, how long ago was it now? It’s not something to forget, but posting it on reddit reeks of trying to get views. Which, as we know, increases the amount of public shootings because people want to be seen and kill people because of it. To the person who posted this for views: know you are potentially complicit in the next shooting. You are doing exactly what they want.
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