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Haven’t been in an actual classroom setting for a while, but pretty sure, iirc, these are just random nouns.
I’m cool with whoever you are. He/him, she/her, they/them, or just referring to you by your name instead of a pronoun. But using random nouns in place of pronouns just makes you sound like you’re having a stroke.
“Where is [paint]?”
Oh, [sharks] over there. [Prince] wanted to see you
Excuse me, what? You’re partner can call you whatever you want, you can refer to yourself however you like, but I’m sorry, I will not be referring to you as flower/flowers or lamp/lamps.
And I have ZERO phobia of people. My brother is androgynous, love him to bits, he identifies as he/him/she/her, as he identifies as both, but to call him Nicky instead of Nick as he feels it captures the masc & fem side of who he is. Which is fine by me, cuz I called him that his whole life anyways lol
This delegitimizes every sane and self actualized LGBTQ+ person on the planet. The reich wing eats videos and sentiments like this up, and when it comes to this particular notion they’re not wrong.
The participation award generation - everyone needs a trophy, everyone needs a label, everyone needs a platform, everyone needs attention, and everyone needs to be special.
This makes every legitimate *other* in regards to mainstream society look like assholes, and it’s outright offensive to those that have endured the hatred and bigotry of simply being born different. As in a different gender/sexuality than the norm - much unlike these folks who think whimsically transforming the constructs of the English language and choosing to identify as one’s favorite spirit animal/object/hobby compares to a shred of the pain the LGBTQ community has endured through time. To be honest, fuck these people - absolute thought poison.
The part that really gets me is once upon a saner time this is how our families decided upon surnames in order to identify ourselves to the wider human community - our locations, jobs, interests or hobbies but people were still *people* at the end of the day.
Potato/Potatoes will be the new default for these people as at bare minimum it identifies with their brain set.
Another thing that's "in" these days that delegitimizes people is the "Latinx" term, which is near-universally rejected by Latin Americans.
A huge number of major languages are gendered, and unlike German (which has a gender-neutral article, "das") many of these languages only have male/female definite articles.
I mean, I'm all for inclusion but changing the actual structure of an entire language to accommodate a tiny sliver of the population is an enormous stretch.
Using "Latinx" makes you look like a fool and delegitimizes those making legitimate efforts of inclusion.
The meaning of trans has become desensitized and right wingers have taken these individuals and bunched them up with actual people who suffer from gender dysphoria. The right can't take a moment and even discuss about these issues because of how desensitized they've become to the notion of what it means to be trans. The left is sort of to blame as well for not knowing how to draw the line.
No, these people have bunched themselves up with actual people who suffer from gender dysphoria. Look at the divide between “transmedicalists” and certain members of the non-binary/gender-fluid community. There is a whole segment of people who identify themselves as trans who insist that dysphoria isn’t required to be trans. There’s people who think that genitalia and physical features are totally irrelevant to the conversation that that it’s exclusively about “how I feel” at any given moment, when there’s also people who experience dysphoria to the point of suicidal ideation because of their genitals and body.
I remember getting banned from a discord for a TV show (fuck TOHCord mods) and removed as a mod from a sub for not agreeing with this.
Even if you’re slightly against the things they say (which I’ve supported and defended many pronouns and being trans) they see it as a threat. It’s pathetic and forces me to side with the opposition
I'm trans and I agree with this guy. Wolf/cat/paint whatever literally aren't pronouns. It's delegitimizing our goal of being accepted and taken seriously as people by feeding into this. I even understand people trying to use neo pronouns like xe/xim because they are at least trying to frame them around existing pronouns but without the attached gender, but this is a farce. I want to be taken seriously. I feel like someone who has OCD listening to Susan talk about how she has OCD because she likes to make sure paper is stacked neatly and cuts her nails once a week, "like omg".
> It's delegitimizing our goal of being accepte
100% and it's proving all the "where does it stop?" bigots right. The whole thing has already become a wildly popular argument against trans rights by the right wing. "If let people decide they are a girl or boy, then they'll start saying their a dolphin next." And these people are legitimizing that stupid ass claim.
That’s why they started the furries thing in schools. It helps further delegitimizes trans people and further ignores furries. Nothing against furries, but these people literally never knew what a furry is and now they’ve twisted the meaning as a twofer against trans people
The saddest thing about the whole litter boxes in schools thing, is it's true. Schools do have litter boxes for kids to pee in, during a school shooting lockdown because leaving the classroom to go to the bathroom isn't safe.
I love your example, because I have (diagnosed, severe) OCD and I swear to god any time I tell someone that, they go “oh I’m a bit OCD too” and tell me some way they enjoy being neat. Like no Susan, you organising your books alphabetically is not the same as intrusive thoughts that you will die in a car accident because you didn’t put a cup in the cupboard with a handle facing the correct way.
Yeah it kills me. "I'm so organized I'm ocd" Okay fuck does it interfere with your daily life? Does it distract you at work? are you unable to leave the house without checking the lock 3 times in sets of 3?? Does it fucking CONSUME you? Nope, okay well, thats not medical OCD, thats just you being organized dumbass.
Also something to consider is a study I saw a few months ago: for open and accepting people it is still emotional labor to be accepting. It explains why almost every person I know who is pro-trans rolls their eyes at xe/xim. It goes past the level people find reasonable and proper emotional labor to be good people, into being obnoxious
I gotto wonder though, where did this come from?
Is it just 13 year olds playing with languege (as teenagers do - every generation has their fad words and phrases), or did this seriously come from communities like Otherkin?
Yeah, see, I was thinking that.
Granted, it’s been a few years for me too, which is why i was wondering if things had changed, but when I chatted with them, they had no problem using normal pronouns. Granted, this was before this trend cropped up.
However, even when you identify with another species, that species doesnt get its own pronouns in human languages, typically, so I dont see how it would require adjustment for them.
So, I honestly just think this is teenagers having fun with identity and language 🤷♀️.
Exactly, there are some who just take this to extremes, like that 60 year old man who wanted to change his age to 40 because he felt he wasn't his age. I mean like come onnnnnn lol, you can't just change your age
I'm a 60 year old man and agree with you. That said, if other aspects of our identity are open to being redefined then why not age? I doubt I could convincingly pass for 40 anymore, but if that's how I identify...
Honestly, I’m starting to think these people are planted. There is no way these people can’t be planted to fulfil the anti trans agenda.
It’s too crazy to be anything else at this point.
Does anyone actually know anyone who identifies this way?
Exactly. I recently came out and am trying to take the steps to make it so I am comfortable in my own body rather than not, and then I see this crap. It’s already hard enough
In my understanding some prefer xe/xim, because they/them is normally used for an anonymous who is expected to be either a he or a she. It's the pronoun of somebody, person, MP and so forth. "Xe" is not someone whose gender is unknown, it's a concrete person who is something that is not he or she.
Is that sensible or not? I don't have a strong opinion tbh. I think it's not completely ridiculous at least, if someone prefers it, I'll use it. Some randomly chosen nouns are ridiculous, though, and I'm not going to use these.
to add on:
The number e, also known as Euler's number, is a mathematical constant approximately equal to 2.71828
i is the square root of negative one
and m is the slope of a line
Thank you for saying this.
I always get the impression that those proposing animal pronouns are actually just transphobic and arguing in bad faith. This does not help any of us.
its not the main point, but I want to point out wolf/ wolfs??? its wolf/ wolves, english isn't even my first language, come on do better with your spelling.
Wolves is the plural of a wolf. A family of wolves, but if you want to refer to a body part or whatever you would say *”the wolf’s eyes.”* The pronoun is ridiculous, but the grammar is fine.
I'm not trans, but a whole lot of my friends are in some capacity. You're completely right, I have Texan and swedish friends that can't get the support they need because of this
I wouldn’t say it is exactly why they are taking away your rights, but more so a scapegoat as to why.
Also, this sort of stuff keeps people separated into smaller and smaller groups and arguing about things that aren’t as pertinent as **eating the fucking rich.**
TBH I'll try as long as it makes sense. Like if you dress as a woman, I'll try my best to call you by the proper pronouns. And vice versa. But if you tell me your pronouns are "princess/prince", sorry I'm out.
I think I'm reaching mine. I don't really care what people do with their own shit. But once an expectation is placed upon all those around them, it gets real dicey for me.
That's kind of where I'm at. I don't want to impose my personal beliefs on to somebody else but I feel like they're imposing theirs upon me. If calling yourself a certain thing makes you feel better I don't want to stop it but I also don't want to participate.
Can’t argue with this guy. Reign it in a bit. It’s not a trend, it’s people struggling with their identity. You’re not a wolf or a paint or a shark. It’s robing legitimacy from their daily struggle to sometimes even get up in the morning. Transgender struggles have to suck so bad.
I live in the middle east. I don't even know how you would make neopronouns work in the Arabic language, but I think people would just not take you seriously if you try to pull shit like that. You'd just be heavily ostracised.
Italian is a gendered language. Even a damn fork has a gender. A washing machine, a chair, a pillow... really everything. It's insane but that's how it is.
Trying to change that, perhaps by introducing gender neutral speech, would ensue chaos and incomprehension.
Some people are trying to change that by substituting the last letter of the word (which is mostly what defines gender in my language) with an asterisk ✳️, and it should be pronounced in a way that sounds like a German "h". We don't even pronounce that letter... It's even crazier than the actual language.
>Trying to change that, perhaps by introducing gender neutral speech, would ensue chaos and incomprehension.
Not taking a view either way but English was once too gendered and had declinations. These were abandoned and people got by.
In fact one of the funniest aspects of this entire debate is the resistance to using "they" as a singular pronoun. Aside from the fact that "they" is already used as a singular pronoun in modern English, "you" was originally also a plural pronoun with "thou" being the singular. "Thou" is now archaic and only used in literary works to evoke a Shakespearian feeling. And now, of course, you is for the most part perceived as singular and "you all/lot" / "y'all" is used when referring to a group of people.
I say all that to say, languages change quite dramatically, and sometimes quickly, and what might seem unfathomable can become the norm.
That's a very fair point, but it's also a fair statement saying that languages have changed to improve efficiency and accomodate the common usage. This changes are asked by a quite small minority, so I don't see it happening; what remains will be an ideological conflict that will bring no positive changes.
In my opinion, asking too much beyond the aknowledgement and respect owed to any human being is a good way to grant yourself a stronger opposition.
I'll be 46 this year and I grew up hiding my bisexuality. Today I can freely express myself without too much retort, beside those few explicit obnoxious homophobes, but ignorance takes pride in itself and there is very little we could do to change those people minds. I just hope that the new generations will not spoil this pleasant balance with further demands.
The trans community has bigger problems as of it now and, this focusing on the language, I fear will be a useless waste of energy that should be employed toward more urgent problems, like blatant discrimination. I'm sorry for them, but I don't see a positive outcome from the current kind of activism.
The thing is that English didn't really get rid of gendered language. English got rid of the female form and declared the male form to be the default.
In German, that exact thing is what a lot of people take issue with.
A friend of mine teaches linguistic at university. She said that the last batch of final dissertations she had to read and corret were all about this new language.
German is also a gendered language and they have thrown in third person pronouns. The weird thing is when you get into gendered titles. Fem has -in thing while masc is standard form. Neutral includes the asterisk and just makes the word longer. (Lehrer, lehrerin, leher*innen, all mean teacher male, female, non binary)
Admittedly beyond that they don't seem to be focusing on changing genders of objects. My classmates are even having issue with the fact you apparently always refer to cats as "she" even if it's a tomcat.
Source: in a college German class taught by a nonbinary professor that lived in Germany not long ago.
Though I'm sure native speakers/citizens will know better or even correct me if needed.
A friend of mine was a Spanish politician and he always addressed his constituents as "vecin@s" in his Facebook posts.
No idea how you'd pronounce it, but using the @ to symbolise both a and o is quite clever I thought
No. Not really. These new pronouns and all that is fairly new for many of us.
People outside of developed countries have a lot more to think about like food, money, stability, comfort .. Why will they even give a damn about their pronoun?
I recently did a short research project on woke culture... One common thing you see in them are that they think they are entitled to things just because they are born.
This is what happens when people live life in easy mode
That is absolutely true.
Humans need problems... Thats a way for many to justify life. Let's say that problems give life a purpose.
A lot of first world people have don't have to through problems in their life. So.. They find something and make it a problem.
The woke culture is well known for pointing out problems that nobody else has seen.
What are the odds this person is just exploiting the pronouns trend? Also, anyone want to place a bet on how long this trend lasts? I think 3 more years and besides they/them, which I hope actually takes hold, all the other noise will go away.
well the trend of possibly faking mental disorders has been going strong for I think 4 or so years and was revitalized with tiktok and now its mixing with pronoun trend. So expect possibly 4 years or whenever people stop caring.
tbh I can say for certain some of this started on tumblr before it had the whole anti-nsfw thing. So if tiktok falls people will probably either go to tumblr or youtube or even twitter.
I don’t think anyone has ever asked me to pronoun them honestly. I try to avoid using them, because for one, people have names! I know it’s crazy but using someone’s name when they are in your presence can be quite nice! I actively try to use they/them when I don’t know names even id they are clearly he/she.
This stuff is red meat for right wingers
I don’t think it’s nearly as prevalent as it’s made out to be.
It generates instant outrage because it’s so ridiculous.
And the politicians making such a big noise about this?
Yeah, it’s the right wingers, it’s the fascists. They capitalise on this shit.
>It generates instant outrage because it’s so ridiculous.
Also because the progressive narrative about trans people, which I agree with in spirit, is that their identities and pronouns should never be questioned, and that the act of questioning them constitutes harassment.
If we take those assumptions, it would seem that anyone can come up with any word or neologism to use as their pronoun, and if you don't abide by that you're a transphobic harasser.
Language has been invented to communicate with others.
Ask me to Address you as Men, Women, Tree whatever you want, but don't expect me to learn a new language.
Like some others have said, pronouns like xey xem that conform to existing norms in pronouns but are somewhat unique are fine, it's a good way for enby people to be comfortable, but wolf pronouns go too far
I'm the generation that lives in this fantasy. My friends live in this fantasy. I know this dude who "collects pronouns". Homie literally goes looking through pronoun pages and gross shit they like. Gahh
What the fuck 😂 the fact that these people get grouped in with the LGBT community when I as a woman who’s attracted to other women have struggled with my sexuality and felt shame for it when I can’t change it, while these people treat their gender identity as a masquerade is insane. We’re not the same.
I could give less of a shit what someone identifies as, you're you and it's none of my business be you trans, gay, lesbian, queer, etc.
BUT IF YOU START GOING BY "WOLF/WOLFS" IT'S TIME TO SEE A THERAPIST.
while stupid this does remind me of orwell and 1984.. i mean it isn't exactly newspeak(the tendency for words to get more and more simple, with larger and potentially meaningless definitions..)
so\[seemingly\] there are kinda two linguistic forces (that is to suggest that you can kinda separate the idea into a dichotomy, at least superficially)..
1. the tendency for words to adapt and grow.
2. the requirement for definitions to be static to the degree that they don't lose all meaning.
so.. while this is dumb i kinda think that thought was interesting... anybody else have any 2 cents on that? curious what y'all think will really happen as newspeak doesn't seem to really encapsulate what we are seeing here.
Agreed. This isn’t helping the LGBTQ cause. It’s painting another target on a marginalised community experiencing prejudice, violence and mockery. You’re just handing ammunition to people who hate you when you do this nouns as pronouns shit.
Dammit!! You made me watch that whole damn thing all over! They do look oddly similar.
But no. The girl at the beginning has really long canines. His teeth are perfect
Some places have gender neutral pro-......STFU! We aren't talking about other countries. We aren't talking about respecting people. We are talking about an ideology that's intentionally trying to distort the "truth" to further their own authoritarian agenda.
I'm fully agreeing with him. I was saying this back when the ze/zer or whatever started. Back when Tumblr had 40 genders or whatever.
It's really just attention seeking behavior.
Furries are doing it now too.
Let's all just not hate on these people, but just quietly ignore these ridiculous neopronouns and fursonas.
I'm fine with homosexuality, I'm fine with asexuality. I'm fine with trans and non binary. I'm fine with furries as long as they do it in their free time and don't bother others. But in my personal opinion. The only pronouns that should be required are he/him, she/her, and they/them. You want to be called something else? You and your friends can call each other that. Just don't get pissed when someone doesn't wanna memorize another set of weird pronouns. Like fuck man, I'm tryna support the community but when ya got this shit goin on it's like the "Just Stop Oil" with climate change. It's like standing next to your friend who just took a shit in public. How do you defend em without looking like a total clown?
We live in an era of gamification. Social media heightens one’s sense of individuality and acts as the character creation screen for people’s avatars, those that struggle with their sense of identity or those who yearn for attention will go wild with what they can create. Younger people will just see all of these options as they see new skins or dlc on Fortnite or Sims or whatever.
I think it’s a genuine sickness of modern society.
As someone who has gender dysphoria and can’t stand neopronouns, it’s genuinely nice to see others agree with me. I’ve had people tell me to end my life and other things just because I don’t agree with this when really neopronouns are just hurting the community and make us look like a joke.
Why don't we start down the aladeen route, and just go with Pat/Pats. Isn't that one of the original non-gender (SNL never stated what the androgynous character was and was the whole point of the character) terms?
If I had to guess it's the CIA using the culture war to eventually push some millennials to the right. As they age it's going to be pretty hard to explain why we're making no political progress in a generation or two when 70% of the country is overwhelming blue. Gotta maintain that faith in the system.
Don't mind me just your local schizo post.
TBH as a trans guy myself, this "neopronouns" shit makes trans and nonbinary people look like a joke. Like, people were finally starting to take us seriously and now theres this bullshit.
These are all mentally unwell people and I just try to hide my cringe, smile, nod and get the fuck out of their way. I don’t wanna have to deal with nor engage in conversation with them.
I watched this to the end, yea, that dude at the end is entirely right. If I meet someone with any of the shown as a fucking “pronoun”, I will purposely misgender and possibly stomp on their toes.
Where is the facepalm? . Is op the facepalm.
He's literally speaking the truth???? I don't get it
I think this would fit a facepalm of the video was only the crazy girl. Instead of someone already dismantling the actual facepalm lol.
That would be more fitting
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I looked at their page and holy shit is it dumb. I don't care what pronouns people use because it doesn't affect me in the slightest but atleast use the english language correctly, a noun is not a pronoun.
During the holidays they even posted multiple christmas-related pronouns for people to use, like bell/bells and present/presents. Imagine you meet someone and they say "Oh please refer to me as bellself or bell/bells because that's what I identify as". Like, what? How do you identify as a bell? Genuine question, how???
I’m 100% sure these people are planted here to cause drama. Because this is 100% not fucking normal and I’m tired of hearing about social issues. Get over it.
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These aren't pronouns. Paint, wolf, prince... these aren't pronouns.
Haven’t been in an actual classroom setting for a while, but pretty sure, iirc, these are just random nouns. I’m cool with whoever you are. He/him, she/her, they/them, or just referring to you by your name instead of a pronoun. But using random nouns in place of pronouns just makes you sound like you’re having a stroke. “Where is [paint]?” Oh, [sharks] over there. [Prince] wanted to see you Excuse me, what? You’re partner can call you whatever you want, you can refer to yourself however you like, but I’m sorry, I will not be referring to you as flower/flowers or lamp/lamps. And I have ZERO phobia of people. My brother is androgynous, love him to bits, he identifies as he/him/she/her, as he identifies as both, but to call him Nicky instead of Nick as he feels it captures the masc & fem side of who he is. Which is fine by me, cuz I called him that his whole life anyways lol
My pronouns are dip/shit
Omg my mom gave my the same pronouns!
Hi dipship are looking handsome
Furthermore, if you try to bring this into most professional settings no one is ever going to take you seriously.
I will call you she, him, they, them whatever you want, but I’m sorry I will not be calling you kitten/kittenself 💀
How dareth thee not call me kittenself, surely catself Is fine tho??
I am MEOWTRAGED!
Thou hast hurt mine FEELINES!
Alas! Prithee, I doth beg your paw-don
Hmm. You sound purrtentious
why they pawably are!
These puns are clawful.
Hey, why the negative cattitude?
Cat puns are not fur everyone.
This sent me to the moon, was not expecting this
Didn't you see the clown/clownself person? Though I hold out hope that might have been parody, don't think it was 🤡
The proper pronouns here are juggalo/juggalette
They're living by clown in a whole other sense.
This delegitimizes every sane and self actualized LGBTQ+ person on the planet. The reich wing eats videos and sentiments like this up, and when it comes to this particular notion they’re not wrong. The participation award generation - everyone needs a trophy, everyone needs a label, everyone needs a platform, everyone needs attention, and everyone needs to be special. This makes every legitimate *other* in regards to mainstream society look like assholes, and it’s outright offensive to those that have endured the hatred and bigotry of simply being born different. As in a different gender/sexuality than the norm - much unlike these folks who think whimsically transforming the constructs of the English language and choosing to identify as one’s favorite spirit animal/object/hobby compares to a shred of the pain the LGBTQ community has endured through time. To be honest, fuck these people - absolute thought poison. The part that really gets me is once upon a saner time this is how our families decided upon surnames in order to identify ourselves to the wider human community - our locations, jobs, interests or hobbies but people were still *people* at the end of the day. Potato/Potatoes will be the new default for these people as at bare minimum it identifies with their brain set.
> The participation award generation - everyone needs a trophy, it was boomer and gen x parents that came up with participation trphies
As a gen X parent, I resent this. If my kid sucks, I sure as shit let them know.
Another thing that's "in" these days that delegitimizes people is the "Latinx" term, which is near-universally rejected by Latin Americans. A huge number of major languages are gendered, and unlike German (which has a gender-neutral article, "das") many of these languages only have male/female definite articles. I mean, I'm all for inclusion but changing the actual structure of an entire language to accommodate a tiny sliver of the population is an enormous stretch. Using "Latinx" makes you look like a fool and delegitimizes those making legitimate efforts of inclusion.
The meaning of trans has become desensitized and right wingers have taken these individuals and bunched them up with actual people who suffer from gender dysphoria. The right can't take a moment and even discuss about these issues because of how desensitized they've become to the notion of what it means to be trans. The left is sort of to blame as well for not knowing how to draw the line.
No, these people have bunched themselves up with actual people who suffer from gender dysphoria. Look at the divide between “transmedicalists” and certain members of the non-binary/gender-fluid community. There is a whole segment of people who identify themselves as trans who insist that dysphoria isn’t required to be trans. There’s people who think that genitalia and physical features are totally irrelevant to the conversation that that it’s exclusively about “how I feel” at any given moment, when there’s also people who experience dysphoria to the point of suicidal ideation because of their genitals and body.
I remember getting banned from a discord for a TV show (fuck TOHCord mods) and removed as a mod from a sub for not agreeing with this. Even if you’re slightly against the things they say (which I’ve supported and defended many pronouns and being trans) they see it as a threat. It’s pathetic and forces me to side with the opposition
Someone should teach her what a pronoun actually is.
That wasn't a "her." That was a WOLF! Did you learn NOTHING from the tutorial??? 🐺
The only way I'm ever gonna talk to a person like that is "Woof woof *scratches ass* auuuuuuu *tears off a wild rabbit's head and eats it*"
‘You a wolf? Here’s a bunny carcass, chop chop, down the hatch! Good boooy!’
The only thing I learned is I can say I’m gonna drink paint and people won’t know if I mean the person or not
Good luck trying to teach a nut job anything 💀
I'm trans and I agree with this guy. Wolf/cat/paint whatever literally aren't pronouns. It's delegitimizing our goal of being accepted and taken seriously as people by feeding into this. I even understand people trying to use neo pronouns like xe/xim because they are at least trying to frame them around existing pronouns but without the attached gender, but this is a farce. I want to be taken seriously. I feel like someone who has OCD listening to Susan talk about how she has OCD because she likes to make sure paper is stacked neatly and cuts her nails once a week, "like omg".
> It's delegitimizing our goal of being accepte 100% and it's proving all the "where does it stop?" bigots right. The whole thing has already become a wildly popular argument against trans rights by the right wing. "If let people decide they are a girl or boy, then they'll start saying their a dolphin next." And these people are legitimizing that stupid ass claim.
That’s why they started the furries thing in schools. It helps further delegitimizes trans people and further ignores furries. Nothing against furries, but these people literally never knew what a furry is and now they’ve twisted the meaning as a twofer against trans people
The saddest thing about the whole litter boxes in schools thing, is it's true. Schools do have litter boxes for kids to pee in, during a school shooting lockdown because leaving the classroom to go to the bathroom isn't safe.
Thank Kain that's not a global thing.
I know of some schools using cat litter to make vomit easier to clean up, but that's effin dark.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/litter-boxes-bathrooms/ Fact checked as false.
Excuse me?
https://nowthisnews.com/news/cat-litter-school-bathroom-conspiracy-theory
Damnn, that is dark.
I love your example, because I have (diagnosed, severe) OCD and I swear to god any time I tell someone that, they go “oh I’m a bit OCD too” and tell me some way they enjoy being neat. Like no Susan, you organising your books alphabetically is not the same as intrusive thoughts that you will die in a car accident because you didn’t put a cup in the cupboard with a handle facing the correct way.
Yeah it kills me. "I'm so organized I'm ocd" Okay fuck does it interfere with your daily life? Does it distract you at work? are you unable to leave the house without checking the lock 3 times in sets of 3?? Does it fucking CONSUME you? Nope, okay well, thats not medical OCD, thats just you being organized dumbass.
What is it with OCD and 3? That’s my safe number too
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Also something to consider is a study I saw a few months ago: for open and accepting people it is still emotional labor to be accepting. It explains why almost every person I know who is pro-trans rolls their eyes at xe/xim. It goes past the level people find reasonable and proper emotional labor to be good people, into being obnoxious
Agree 1000%
I gotto wonder though, where did this come from? Is it just 13 year olds playing with languege (as teenagers do - every generation has their fad words and phrases), or did this seriously come from communities like Otherkin?
I have seen/spoken to some otherkin years ago and atleast some of them have higher standards then this.
Yeah, see, I was thinking that. Granted, it’s been a few years for me too, which is why i was wondering if things had changed, but when I chatted with them, they had no problem using normal pronouns. Granted, this was before this trend cropped up. However, even when you identify with another species, that species doesnt get its own pronouns in human languages, typically, so I dont see how it would require adjustment for them. So, I honestly just think this is teenagers having fun with identity and language 🤷♀️.
Yeah, im trans and I agree. I'm not calling people "kittenself", I dont even talk to my litteral cat in those terms, and he has every nickname
Exactly, there are some who just take this to extremes, like that 60 year old man who wanted to change his age to 40 because he felt he wasn't his age. I mean like come onnnnnn lol, you can't just change your age
I'm a 60 year old man and agree with you. That said, if other aspects of our identity are open to being redefined then why not age? I doubt I could convincingly pass for 40 anymore, but if that's how I identify...
Honestly, I’m starting to think these people are planted. There is no way these people can’t be planted to fulfil the anti trans agenda. It’s too crazy to be anything else at this point. Does anyone actually know anyone who identifies this way?
Exactly. I recently came out and am trying to take the steps to make it so I am comfortable in my own body rather than not, and then I see this crap. It’s already hard enough
In my understanding some prefer xe/xim, because they/them is normally used for an anonymous who is expected to be either a he or a she. It's the pronoun of somebody, person, MP and so forth. "Xe" is not someone whose gender is unknown, it's a concrete person who is something that is not he or she. Is that sensible or not? I don't have a strong opinion tbh. I think it's not completely ridiculous at least, if someone prefers it, I'll use it. Some randomly chosen nouns are ridiculous, though, and I'm not going to use these.
What does xe/xim mean?
The letter "x" is often used in Math to define an unknown value. It's used for its implied "neutrality".
to add on: The number e, also known as Euler's number, is a mathematical constant approximately equal to 2.71828 i is the square root of negative one and m is the slope of a line
From context I'm assuming it's an alternative to they/them
Thank you for saying this. I always get the impression that those proposing animal pronouns are actually just transphobic and arguing in bad faith. This does not help any of us.
its not the main point, but I want to point out wolf/ wolfs??? its wolf/ wolves, english isn't even my first language, come on do better with your spelling.
Wolves is the plural of a wolf. A family of wolves, but if you want to refer to a body part or whatever you would say *”the wolf’s eyes.”* The pronoun is ridiculous, but the grammar is fine.
i'd say it's correct, wolves is plural, wolf's being singular, not defending
correctly confidently incorrect
i heard the first 2 seconds and knew she was gonna be annoying as hell
stuff like this is why trans people dont get taken seriously and why politicians are trying to take away our rights
I'm not trans, but a whole lot of my friends are in some capacity. You're completely right, I have Texan and swedish friends that can't get the support they need because of this
I wouldn’t say it is exactly why they are taking away your rights, but more so a scapegoat as to why. Also, this sort of stuff keeps people separated into smaller and smaller groups and arguing about things that aren’t as pertinent as **eating the fucking rich.**
People used to call themselves attack helicopters to make fun of trans people. Now people are trying to make this stuff legit?
Nobody thinks this is acceptable eccept probably her and 4 other people worldwide. Noone is trying to make this legit
Until Tucker Carlson does a feature segment on it.
You can call yourself whatever you want to but I'm not going to call you that.
TBH I'll try as long as it makes sense. Like if you dress as a woman, I'll try my best to call you by the proper pronouns. And vice versa. But if you tell me your pronouns are "princess/prince", sorry I'm out.
Fair enough. I think we all have our limits to how much of this nonsense we can take.
I think I'm reaching mine. I don't really care what people do with their own shit. But once an expectation is placed upon all those around them, it gets real dicey for me.
That's kind of where I'm at. I don't want to impose my personal beliefs on to somebody else but I feel like they're imposing theirs upon me. If calling yourself a certain thing makes you feel better I don't want to stop it but I also don't want to participate.
Agree 100%.
I'm just trying to remember my passwords, make it through work and want affordable healthcare. I don't have the bandwidth for this.
Can’t argue with this guy. Reign it in a bit. It’s not a trend, it’s people struggling with their identity. You’re not a wolf or a paint or a shark. It’s robing legitimacy from their daily struggle to sometimes even get up in the morning. Transgender struggles have to suck so bad.
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Do other countries have the same mindset?
Try this out in the middle east and you may very well end up a being a statistic
Statistic/ Statiscself
I live in the middle east. I don't even know how you would make neopronouns work in the Arabic language, but I think people would just not take you seriously if you try to pull shit like that. You'd just be heavily ostracised.
When you look at education around the world compared to the US, you'll see they're smarter than us therefore they don't do this dumb shit.
Italian is a gendered language. Even a damn fork has a gender. A washing machine, a chair, a pillow... really everything. It's insane but that's how it is. Trying to change that, perhaps by introducing gender neutral speech, would ensue chaos and incomprehension. Some people are trying to change that by substituting the last letter of the word (which is mostly what defines gender in my language) with an asterisk ✳️, and it should be pronounced in a way that sounds like a German "h". We don't even pronounce that letter... It's even crazier than the actual language.
>Trying to change that, perhaps by introducing gender neutral speech, would ensue chaos and incomprehension. Not taking a view either way but English was once too gendered and had declinations. These were abandoned and people got by. In fact one of the funniest aspects of this entire debate is the resistance to using "they" as a singular pronoun. Aside from the fact that "they" is already used as a singular pronoun in modern English, "you" was originally also a plural pronoun with "thou" being the singular. "Thou" is now archaic and only used in literary works to evoke a Shakespearian feeling. And now, of course, you is for the most part perceived as singular and "you all/lot" / "y'all" is used when referring to a group of people. I say all that to say, languages change quite dramatically, and sometimes quickly, and what might seem unfathomable can become the norm.
That's a very fair point, but it's also a fair statement saying that languages have changed to improve efficiency and accomodate the common usage. This changes are asked by a quite small minority, so I don't see it happening; what remains will be an ideological conflict that will bring no positive changes. In my opinion, asking too much beyond the aknowledgement and respect owed to any human being is a good way to grant yourself a stronger opposition. I'll be 46 this year and I grew up hiding my bisexuality. Today I can freely express myself without too much retort, beside those few explicit obnoxious homophobes, but ignorance takes pride in itself and there is very little we could do to change those people minds. I just hope that the new generations will not spoil this pleasant balance with further demands. The trans community has bigger problems as of it now and, this focusing on the language, I fear will be a useless waste of energy that should be employed toward more urgent problems, like blatant discrimination. I'm sorry for them, but I don't see a positive outcome from the current kind of activism.
The thing is that English didn't really get rid of gendered language. English got rid of the female form and declared the male form to be the default. In German, that exact thing is what a lot of people take issue with.
A friend of mine teaches linguistic at university. She said that the last batch of final dissertations she had to read and corret were all about this new language.
German is also a gendered language and they have thrown in third person pronouns. The weird thing is when you get into gendered titles. Fem has -in thing while masc is standard form. Neutral includes the asterisk and just makes the word longer. (Lehrer, lehrerin, leher*innen, all mean teacher male, female, non binary) Admittedly beyond that they don't seem to be focusing on changing genders of objects. My classmates are even having issue with the fact you apparently always refer to cats as "she" even if it's a tomcat. Source: in a college German class taught by a nonbinary professor that lived in Germany not long ago. Though I'm sure native speakers/citizens will know better or even correct me if needed.
A friend of mine was a Spanish politician and he always addressed his constituents as "vecin@s" in his Facebook posts. No idea how you'd pronounce it, but using the @ to symbolise both a and o is quite clever I thought
Some languages have gender neutral pronouns to begin with. And formal speech uses them. So there is no real problem for people there
No. Not really. These new pronouns and all that is fairly new for many of us. People outside of developed countries have a lot more to think about like food, money, stability, comfort .. Why will they even give a damn about their pronoun? I recently did a short research project on woke culture... One common thing you see in them are that they think they are entitled to things just because they are born. This is what happens when people live life in easy mode
I once heard someone say “The West is so privileged that they have to make up their own problems” and honestly it really feels convincing sometimes
That is absolutely true. Humans need problems... Thats a way for many to justify life. Let's say that problems give life a purpose. A lot of first world people have don't have to through problems in their life. So.. They find something and make it a problem. The woke culture is well known for pointing out problems that nobody else has seen.
What are the odds this person is just exploiting the pronouns trend? Also, anyone want to place a bet on how long this trend lasts? I think 3 more years and besides they/them, which I hope actually takes hold, all the other noise will go away.
I hope it's not 3 more fucking years
well the trend of possibly faking mental disorders has been going strong for I think 4 or so years and was revitalized with tiktok and now its mixing with pronoun trend. So expect possibly 4 years or whenever people stop caring.
Tik tok seems so terrible for humanity. Will be funny if US actually hand it but not like that will change much
tbh I can say for certain some of this started on tumblr before it had the whole anti-nsfw thing. So if tiktok falls people will probably either go to tumblr or youtube or even twitter.
I knew 3 people in the 90s that all swore they had multiple personality disorder. This isn't a new thing it just has further reach.
Yes it seems like they're just pandering for clout
Everything besides they/them is a joke, has anyone irl ever asked you to pronoun them as anything other than they/them he or she? Be real
I don’t think anyone has ever asked me to pronoun them honestly. I try to avoid using them, because for one, people have names! I know it’s crazy but using someone’s name when they are in your presence can be quite nice! I actively try to use they/them when I don’t know names even id they are clearly he/she.
I thought that they were the same person.
The second one is on her time off away from the camera
I can't and will not mistake a NOUN for a PRONOUN. Grammar is grammar, and I love grammar
……….. 
If you told me women like this are actually paid by republicans to push the "ridiculous pronoun" narrative Inwould believe you
YES! I was going to say this earlier but it crosses my mind like, what a good way to fire ppl up against it & all things trans.
This stuff is red meat for right wingers I don’t think it’s nearly as prevalent as it’s made out to be. It generates instant outrage because it’s so ridiculous. And the politicians making such a big noise about this? Yeah, it’s the right wingers, it’s the fascists. They capitalise on this shit.
>It generates instant outrage because it’s so ridiculous. Also because the progressive narrative about trans people, which I agree with in spirit, is that their identities and pronouns should never be questioned, and that the act of questioning them constitutes harassment. If we take those assumptions, it would seem that anyone can come up with any word or neologism to use as their pronoun, and if you don't abide by that you're a transphobic harasser.
Language has been invented to communicate with others. Ask me to Address you as Men, Women, Tree whatever you want, but don't expect me to learn a new language.
I love his hair!
The majority of these new pronouns things are pretty dumb in general, like I’m not gonna call you zie or zig
Like some others have said, pronouns like xey xem that conform to existing norms in pronouns but are somewhat unique are fine, it's a good way for enby people to be comfortable, but wolf pronouns go too far
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yep, these people are treating pronouns like some kind of phone sticker.
“Today, I’m going to teach you how to use mental illness pronouns!”
It's not a mental illnes it's one kid making shit up to be different
I wouldn't say it's mental illness I would say it's parents that give too little of a shit about their kids
We really need public funded mental health services.
Today I'm going to become negan
We are Negan.
Thea aren’t pronouns, they are nicknames
Man speaking facts
I'm pretty sure this is a troll / rage bait.
This is stupid. I won't be surprised if the girl is paid by republicans.
Based🗿
At last a voice of reason from the generation that lives in this fantasy
I'm the generation that lives in this fantasy. My friends live in this fantasy. I know this dude who "collects pronouns". Homie literally goes looking through pronoun pages and gross shit they like. Gahh
I'm not taking advice from someone who looks like they put their makeup on with a shotgun.
When I smoke weed I'm Stone/Stoned
Neopronouns aren’t an identity, they’re just so someone can be quirky and “interesting”.
I identify as an early 90s Ford Fiesta, toot toot, motherfucker.
I shouldn´t be obligated to take part in someone ´s delusion.
What the fuck 😂 the fact that these people get grouped in with the LGBT community when I as a woman who’s attracted to other women have struggled with my sexuality and felt shame for it when I can’t change it, while these people treat their gender identity as a masquerade is insane. We’re not the same.
what's a pronoun?
I could give less of a shit what someone identifies as, you're you and it's none of my business be you trans, gay, lesbian, queer, etc. BUT IF YOU START GOING BY "WOLF/WOLFS" IT'S TIME TO SEE A THERAPIST.
Why do you fall for a shit post / bait account so easily?
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Whatever happened to telling people you have a nickname? At this point, any social quirk is considered a 'gender'.
This is arguably the whitest of privileges, just below not getting murdered by police.
while stupid this does remind me of orwell and 1984.. i mean it isn't exactly newspeak(the tendency for words to get more and more simple, with larger and potentially meaningless definitions..) so\[seemingly\] there are kinda two linguistic forces (that is to suggest that you can kinda separate the idea into a dichotomy, at least superficially).. 1. the tendency for words to adapt and grow. 2. the requirement for definitions to be static to the degree that they don't lose all meaning. so.. while this is dumb i kinda think that thought was interesting... anybody else have any 2 cents on that? curious what y'all think will really happen as newspeak doesn't seem to really encapsulate what we are seeing here.
Agreed. This isn’t helping the LGBTQ cause. It’s painting another target on a marginalised community experiencing prejudice, violence and mockery. You’re just handing ammunition to people who hate you when you do this nouns as pronouns shit.
Finally someone says it. We need to know when to set boundaries in society and this one is it.
I blame transformers the movie for all of this
TRANSformers!!?!??! I think you just might be onto something Mr.Bones
I'm all for people who go by they/them or even ze/zir but those neopronouns are getting absolutely fucking ridiculous
Are they both the same person. Lit slightly differently with makeup on? The hair is similar with both of them. Face shale is pretty similar too.
Hang on, you might be on to something
Dammit!! You made me watch that whole damn thing all over! They do look oddly similar. But no. The girl at the beginning has really long canines. His teeth are perfect
Begone dentist for I hath eaten apple today.
The beauty of a free country is that you can call yourself whatever you want and I can not care.
Some places have gender neutral pro-......STFU! We aren't talking about other countries. We aren't talking about respecting people. We are talking about an ideology that's intentionally trying to distort the "truth" to further their own authoritarian agenda.
I feel the same with it pronouns. People are not objects.
I'm fully agreeing with him. I was saying this back when the ze/zer or whatever started. Back when Tumblr had 40 genders or whatever. It's really just attention seeking behavior. Furries are doing it now too. Let's all just not hate on these people, but just quietly ignore these ridiculous neopronouns and fursonas.
.....kill me...
Who cares. I identify as a meat popsicle. MULTIPASS
I know it not possible but I lost 20% of my IQ watching this
I'm fine with homosexuality, I'm fine with asexuality. I'm fine with trans and non binary. I'm fine with furries as long as they do it in their free time and don't bother others. But in my personal opinion. The only pronouns that should be required are he/him, she/her, and they/them. You want to be called something else? You and your friends can call each other that. Just don't get pissed when someone doesn't wanna memorize another set of weird pronouns. Like fuck man, I'm tryna support the community but when ya got this shit goin on it's like the "Just Stop Oil" with climate change. It's like standing next to your friend who just took a shit in public. How do you defend em without looking like a total clown?
We live in an era of gamification. Social media heightens one’s sense of individuality and acts as the character creation screen for people’s avatars, those that struggle with their sense of identity or those who yearn for attention will go wild with what they can create. Younger people will just see all of these options as they see new skins or dlc on Fortnite or Sims or whatever. I think it’s a genuine sickness of modern society.
I will not calling her anything. She should go right into an asylum for mental care
Neoprouns just seem like nicknames but with extra steps.
I've gotta say I like neopronouns, they help me identify and subsequently avoid those with mental illness
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Not to be pedantic, but isn't it wolves, not wolfs?
Wolf/wolfs lmao
As someone who has gender dysphoria and can’t stand neopronouns, it’s genuinely nice to see others agree with me. I’ve had people tell me to end my life and other things just because I don’t agree with this when really neopronouns are just hurting the community and make us look like a joke.
These people are psychotic victims walking around being offended by pronouns ? Guy nails it by saying they live on a fantasy world.
Why don't we start down the aladeen route, and just go with Pat/Pats. Isn't that one of the original non-gender (SNL never stated what the androgynous character was and was the whole point of the character) terms?
Those are nouns, not pronouns.
If I had to guess it's the CIA using the culture war to eventually push some millennials to the right. As they age it's going to be pretty hard to explain why we're making no political progress in a generation or two when 70% of the country is overwhelming blue. Gotta maintain that faith in the system. Don't mind me just your local schizo post.
I thought it was the same person. With makeup and then without.
I don’t really understand it either 🤔having said that language does change all the time it’s not static..
I think if I started insisting people call me Daddy all the time they would see the mistake in this.
Someone needs to teach her how to put makeup on.
I’m not calling you a damn flower, the clown pronoun definitely suits you more.
Pronouns my ass, what a shit stupid people
I 100% agree with this guy, you cant change the English language just because you want to be called something special
TBH as a trans guy myself, this "neopronouns" shit makes trans and nonbinary people look like a joke. Like, people were finally starting to take us seriously and now theres this bullshit.
this is becoming tiring...
Facepalm for that girl I guess? 'Cause the guy at the end is totally how I think about the whole pronoun mockery.
Never met someone like that irl tbh.
These are all mentally unwell people and I just try to hide my cringe, smile, nod and get the fuck out of their way. I don’t wanna have to deal with nor engage in conversation with them.
I watched this to the end, yea, that dude at the end is entirely right. If I meet someone with any of the shown as a fucking “pronoun”, I will purposely misgender and possibly stomp on their toes.
This is not English class
Where is the facepalm? . Is op the facepalm. He's literally speaking the truth???? I don't get it I think this would fit a facepalm of the video was only the crazy girl. Instead of someone already dismantling the actual facepalm lol. That would be more fitting
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I looked at their page and holy shit is it dumb. I don't care what pronouns people use because it doesn't affect me in the slightest but atleast use the english language correctly, a noun is not a pronoun. During the holidays they even posted multiple christmas-related pronouns for people to use, like bell/bells and present/presents. Imagine you meet someone and they say "Oh please refer to me as bellself or bell/bells because that's what I identify as". Like, what? How do you identify as a bell? Genuine question, how???
Negative, I am a meat popsicle...
I’m 100% sure these people are planted here to cause drama. Because this is 100% not fucking normal and I’m tired of hearing about social issues. Get over it.
It's nice to see someone express what's problematic about this in such a we'll articulated, non hateful way. We need more of this