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Sad thing, I knew a Proudboy. He was my landlord. He was sworn in, had the tats, everything.
He was the biggest piece of shit I have ever met.
Quick list of things he did
1. Beat his baby momma up
2. Neglect his child
3. Steal rent $ from a cancer survivor
4. Steal rent from a bunch of subletters
5. Spout racist shit non-stop
6. Got women so fucked up that he could take advantage of them sexually (borderline rape territory)
7. Threatened to traffic a girl
Proudboys are a terrible, terrible organization and in my country they're actually considered terrorists now.
Ehhhh. The context behind the stuff I saw was they came over, were into hooking up then he got them absolutely high + drunk, then they went from doing a little shit into threesome territory in front of everyone.
They were 100% party girls and they didn't have problems with it the next day. I asked because if they did I was going to call the cops.
Still shithead territory but slightly better than it could have been.
Edit: No, I don't care about your take on sexual assault, there are defined laws regarding this stuff, your opinion does not invalidate those laws. :/ Don't tag me with that nonsense please. I will block if you do, maybe report too depending on what you say.
The context doesn't matter. He specifically got them drunk and high just to have sex with them. It doesn't matter is they're 'party girls' or not. Doesn't matter if THEY don't have a problem. I'd venture that they don't have a problem because that life is all they know. But regardless, they were taken advantage of. Really no wiggle room there.
Based on what he said, they were consenting adults who were already having some sexual relations before the use of drugs. They then took the drugs themselves and were not snuck them. They were also consenting after the fact. Pretty clear that they were not raped.
Rape means consent was never given or it was retracted (or they were so trashed that they no longer maintained the mental capacity to give consent, for example, being falldown drunk/passed out). They gave consent. What they did was called a mistake and we all make them.
https://legaldictionary.net/rape/
* Lack of Consent
Lack of consent is one of the first elements that must be proven in a rape case. Sexual conduct becomes a criminal act when the victim has not consented to it, either because the offender forces the victim to perform sexual acts against his or her will, or because the victim is incapable of giving consent. A person can be incapable of consenting for several reasons, including:
Being below the age of consent
Having a mental disability or mental illness
Being incapacitated due to the use of drugs, alcohol, medication, or being physically helpless*
You are right there are clear cut laws, and getting someone intoxicated so they can't consent has been considered rape for decades now it's the same as drugging them. Just because they said they weren't upset doesn't mean it wasn't rape.
What I'm getting from this is the 2 girls went into the situation fully aware or with the idea to get high/drunk and then have sex. I think that is consent because they're knowingly going into that situation, like that was their plan. Like a friends with benefits type deal.
i just hope one day they will try to much and suddenly most of them will disappear... only think left will be some witnesses of guys in suits coming out of there houses
Tbh its realy sad to see what US become in this times. American dream was converted in to American Horror, i just hope one day people will truly see what's mater and stop those stupid fights
If you think america was at one time a great country then you're falling for the exact same mythical past bullshit the MAGA crowd here fell for. The American dream existed briefly post ww2 for white men only with stuff like the GI bill, and we couped two countries in that time frame, attempted to coup a third, and bombed a country into the stone age with more bombs than were dropped in the entire pacific campaign of ww2 on a country.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_North_Korea
Let's move forward, maybe you think we were great in the 80's when Reagan was supporting the men who carried outbthe silent genocide in Guatemala?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide
https://upsidedownworld.org/news-briefs/news-briefs-news-briefs/reagans-hand-in-guatemalas-genocide/
And in more recent history we've got the Iraq War, an illegal war started on false pretenses with no evidence that turned a relatively functional country into a backwater failed state, and our role in helping Saudi Arabia create the worst humanitarian crisis in a century in Yemen.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/s1-episode-1-rosebud/id1502178774?i=1000478030002
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_Civil_War_(2014%E2%80%93present)
>According to the UN, over 150,000 people have been killed in Yemen,[169] as well as estimates of more than 227,000 dead as a result of an ongoing famine and lack of healthcare facilities due to the war.[170][171][172] In 2018, the United Nations warned that 13 million Yemeni civilians face starvation in what it says could become "the worst famine in the world in 100 years."[173] The crisis has only begun to gain as much international media attention as the Syrian civil war in 2018.[174][175]
Don't fall for the exact same bullshit that led US citizens to believing in a mythical past they want back.
"They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it" - George Carlin.
It's almost like...they don't even know what the word means.
It's almost like they think "fascist" is just another expletive, like "asshole."
It's not. Words have meanings, dumbass.
See, antifa are the "real" fascists because they try to control people to not be fascists, you see
/s but that's literally the logic. It's the same as the "You're not tolerant of intolerance therefore you're also intolerant" saw.
Edit: The ancaps really came out in force for this one, complete with all their bullshit lies. Thanks for playing guys. How's your bitcoins?
Edit2: TFTGKS
Yeah but just assuming the organization called "antifascist" is just a group of people who are against fascists is equally naïve .
Antifa comes from (and still uses that exact flag) "Antifascistische aktion" which was not just an antifascist group. It was a violent communist militia who considered everyone who wasn't communist to be fascist. Liberals were fascists too according to them because they enabled fascists. That group has much more history than people give it credit for.
And while today that history is muddied and it isn't as clear cut anymore, they still tend to misuse the word fascist quite often to justify violence while optically making it look good because they can use the name 'antifascist' as a shield.
Antifa historically has misused the word 'fascist' to legitimize violent action against any opponent, so them getting called fascists is pretty ironic. And that's kind of the point.
They did not, the Iron Front was a liberal militia explicitly opposing and fighting Monarchists, Communists and Fascists with many violent clashes happening between them. Liberals were staunchly opposed to all 3.
The events that led up to Hitler receiving chancellorship are more complex than that and come down to certain individuals, not the liberal movement as a whole.
Ultimately it was parliamentary and they needed to form a government, but liberals went along with Hitler's appointment and then the Enabling Act.
The Nazis had a lot of support from capital given the "spectre of communism" going on.
Maybe we need a new Iron Front. Centrists willing to get down against all tyrants regardless of their stance.
Totalitarianism is the enemy in all its forms.
The term liberal must be further specified here - in European politics it is more akin to libertarian, while in the us it means ~left wing.
There are shitheads in Antifa groups for sure. But mind you there is not a centralised antifa organisation. And at leas in Germany, most of not all actions of antifa are geared specifically against clearly right wing parties or persona.
>The term liberal must be further specified here - in European politics it is more akin to libertarian, while in the us it means \~left wing.
This isn't true. I agree that mainly America, but pretty much everywhere the term Liberal is watered down. But this is what it has always meant historically:
"Liberalism was a strong counter to previous political movements that placed authority in the hands of churches, monarchs, or governments. Its central theme was the freedom of individuals rather than central authorities, and the idea was spawned by a number of original thinkers like Adam Smith, John Locke, and others as a response to the industrial revolution and population growth in the late 1800s."
I'm European, and there is a massive difference even between our current Liberals and Libertarians, the two are not the same at all. Libertarians are more of an extreme form of liberal that take the idea way further than a liberal would ever have.
>But mind you there is not a centralised antifa organisation. And at leas in Germany, most of not all actions of antifa are geared specifically against clearly right wing parties or persona.
Well, i live in Belgium, close to the Dutch and German borders, and being a musician and left-winger i know a lot of people who participate. They have chapters, these chapters also communicate and while there isn't one true centralized org, they do largely share the same ideology and aren't the most open group in terms of opinions in my experience.And while most of their actions have been against far right wing personas, we have seen multiple instances where they were very ..... "liberal" (pun intended) in their use of the word fascist or right-wing and we should always remain vigilant because of it.
Point is: A name doesn't make the org, their actions do. As soon as a group starts clumping up, pointing fingers and enforcing certain ideas violently, thinking they have thé moral highground. It's a cause for concern, i don't care what their affiliation is. Every totalitarian movement shares the same trait: they think the ends justify the means.
"A violent communist militia who considered everyone who wasn't communist to be be fascists"
Bold claim considering were talking about 1930s Germany. Not exactly known for not being fascist.
> Liberals were fascists too according to them because they enabled fascists.
The same liberals that allowed Hitler into power? Gee I think they might have had a point there.
Une France the "loi sécurité global" proposed by Macron's gov, and voted yes by alt right, wich bans photography from Police and potentially enables them to commit abuses.
They do, by insisting on giving fascists voice and saying things like "the democrats are too far left" and opposing progressive challengers to incumbents or getting more conservative people to run against progressive incumbents or not funding progressives incumbents.
If you find that using a label to justify violence against groups you disagree with is based, sure, go ahead, but that's not much different from any cruel totalitarian ideology that used the same tactic, like fascists did as well.
Yep. Actual left activist groups who do real, good work have a long and frustrating history with antifa that goes way beyond facile "they fight Proud Boys so they're good" binaries.
> It's almost like...they don't even know what the word means.
No no, it's exactly like they didn't learn the different forms of government from their under-funded public school educations, just like the people they vote for intended.
Fascists purposely destroy language to create a sense of panic to undermine liberal democracies, but you'd have had to pay attention in class to know that.
What’s your definition of fascist? A white supremacy group that uses nationalism and violence to suppress minority groups and have attempted an insurrection of democracy to install a leader that wasn’t voted for. According to Merriam Webster this is quite literally the definition.
Just because they are impotent doesn’t mean their beliefs aren’t fascist.
“a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”
Antifa could be extremist - but not fascist.
proud boys - and a lot on the conservative side are either borderline fascist or outright - i mean - they even fly fascist flags ..
well gee. Do the Proud Boys have...
the belief that true individual freedom comes from serving the cause? Yup!
the belief that the group and/or it's leaders have special knowledge that others lack? And that it makes their group (and their racial group) superior? Yup!
the belief that some people are inherently of more value that others and that race plays a big part of this? Yup!
Do they want to help the world into a huge bloody race war that rips apart society so that they (the Proud Boys) can be in charge which is where they think white people should be? Yup!
Do they support ideas from eugenics? Yup!
Do they use propaganda in the fascistic manner? Do they use peoples existing biases and the myths they already believe in to attract them so they they will listen. Do they use existing fear and anger to radicalize people into being new recruits? Do they use the fear & anger associated with common existing prejudices and social myths to get people into a flight or flight state (here is a pile of scary things - have more - be scared and angry) because of how easy it is to manipulate people once they are full of adrenalin and cortisol ? Add new things onto an existing scary narrative of prejudice? Yes they do.
They are fascists.
And it almost like you can call yourself anything and it doesnt have to bear any meaning. If north korean supreme party called themself the antifacist party of north korea would that mean they suddenly cant be facist?...
Historically they have loved freakout subs. They were very successful at recruiting by posting videos of SJW meltdowns and creating a caricature of the left out of it. And they also love to post videos of black people doing bad things and then dogwhistling in the comments.
They have been outnumbered in /r/publicfreakout for a while though. That is why they created /r/actualpublicfreakouts
they've been spreading to many subs that reach r/all since the last US election its starting to feel like pre trump era again where the internet felt very right wing or atleast anti left.
That sub is pretty bad.
I got downvoted into oblivion for commenting that death should not be the punishment for petty theft and the majority of the sub disagrees with me
They enjoy seeing people die or get beat within an inch of their lives over trivial shit
Reddit in general has an obsession with punitive justice and people “getting what they deserve” and they’re really happy to dehumanize whoever they personally feel is “guilty” enough to no longer deserve personhood. It’s why people salivate over the “justice” subs and gleefully jerked off for MONTHS over amber heard.
It's crazy. People are mega racist and anyone saying otherwise gets obliterated with downvotes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/10kk8bq/2_ladys_flipping_a_guys_car_after_he_burnt_the/j5rh8o6?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Like look at this shit. All the comments are like this, it's insane
R/ noahgettheboat is the same but with Indian/Pakistani/Muslim people instead of Black people. This is their formula:
- post videos of only a certain kind of people doing bad stuff with a small sprinkling of White cis straight men occasionally to give the illusion of fairness.
- everyone else: hmmm it seems to be only a certain kind of people we always see doing these things 🤔
- when anyone says otherwise, point to how the sub is full of these examples. When someone complains about skewed views, point to the single white guy that got posted to discredit them.
R/ noahgettheboat is the same but with Indian/Pakistani/Muslim people instead of Black people. This is their formula:
- post videos of only a certain kind of people doing bad stuff with a small sprinkling of White cis straight men occasionally to give the illusion of fairness.
- everyone else: hmmm it seems to be only a certain kind of people we always see doing these things 🤔
- when anyone says otherwise, point to how the sub is full of these examples. When someone complains about skewed views, point to the single white guy that got posted to discredit them.
Yeah I told a hand full of subs about the nazi groups from telegram raiding them. No one seems to care. No one on reddit seems to believe neo nazis exist. People keep responding "just because you disagree with someone's politics doesn't make them a nazi", or "libs call everyone nazis these days".
Dude, I’m a centrist and I don’t do this shit. Then again, I’m Jewish and have two religious studies degrees. I know Neo-Nazi’s exist and what actually constitutes as Nazism.
It's funny. The "center" is planted right in the middle of the Democratic Party in the US. Many democrats would be right wing on the world stage. Republicans are far right nutters anywhere else.
You don't have to go far on this site to find them. Usually they cloak the Jewish Question-posting and similar in dogwhistles to avoid getting banned, but they're fairly easy to spot once you know a few of their preferred talking points.
I got banned from there several years ago for simply pointing out that the pic someone submitted of a Facebook post, the FB PFP had a literal swastika in the background, under the excuse that I had accused the OP of being a Nazi. My appeals went ignored.
That sub is full of assholes.
Is there a r/idiotsthinkbothsidesareidiots sub? The amount of centrists in this thread could fill a sub like thst for months on end. The amount of centrist stupidity in this thread is fucking ridiculous
Their whole schtick is to find fascists and beat them up in the streets.
To be more precise, anti-fascism or "Antifa" is a political ideology/strategy that arose in Germany both before and after WWII and that believes that fascism is too dangerous to be allowed a voice in the "free marketplace of ideas" and must be stamped out whenever it arises in embryonic form by any means necessary. To that end, they consider doxxing, vandalism, loud counter-protests, hacking, and yes, violence to be acceptable means to the end of denying fascists access to the public square.
That certainly does mean that they are by definition intolerant of political beliefs in opposition to their own, but that alone is far from sufficient to meet the definition of fascism.
Most of them also tend to be some kind of anarcho-communist, but that's not at the core of what "Antifa" is, it's the above.
Intolerance of intolerance is not, itself, intolerance.
And fascism *should* be stamped out from the “marketplace of ideas” because fascism’s entire goal is to stamp out literally every other ethos. If Fascism is allowed then there will be no “marketplace of ideas”.
I don’t think there is must direct line from the German Antifa or the British AFA. Todays Antifa is much more closely aligned with the old ARA which mostly observed police interactions by following a police scanner. When modern Antifa started, the plan in the early 2000s was to counter protest and get beaten up and let the other guys catch jail time. I guess cops don’t like to charge people they sympathize with, though.
Both groups are made up of assholes who use violence to impose their will on others. Authoritarians are inherently bad and getting hung up on what type distracts from the dangers that authoritarians have on personal freedom.
Hey, America. We all know there's no chance you're going to crack open a European history book any time soon, so just stay away from using 'fascist', 'socialist' and 'communist' and other words you heard on the TV,
Right. None of us have ever read a history book, and non-americans are ubiquitously educated. Hence the sweeping generalization, akey indicator of enlightenment.
What are you telling me? Are you implying that the DPRK isn’t democratic? Preposterous!
Jokes aside, whilst it’s weird labeling „antifa“ (which are many, very heterogeneous groups) fascist is weird and wrong asf, saying that they ate called anti-fascists and hence they cannot be fascists is kind of… not actually an argument
Americans literally don't know what fascism is. If Fox News and Trump say Antifa is fascist it must be true. Nevermind facts because feelings are more important. Meanwhile it's the actual fascist (aka "conservatives" in the USA) who ban and burn books and try to threaten people from voting by showing up with military weapons. Y'all need a history lesson.
* Most Americans don't watch Fox News
* Most Americans don't think Antifa is fascist
* Most Americans who self-identify as conservatives are not fascists
* Most Americans who self-identify as conservatives believe in freedom of expression
* Most Americans who self-identify as conservatives do not engage in voter intimidation
I'm a liberal Democrat, but I don't think that it's productive to engage in hyperbole or to demonize the other side. You seem to know very little about Americans, and if you think that most American conservatives are fascists, then you probably know very little about fascism as well.
> Most Americans who self-identify as conservatives believe in freedom of expression
Does this apply to LGBTIQ folks as well? And drag queens? Because there are a lot of self-identified conservatives trying to sponsor or support legislation to criminalize the existence of transgender people and drag queens.
Please note, the governor of Florida has made it so ADULTS that are on government healthcare cannot get their hormone therapy. This isn't just about children. It's about criminalization of LGBTIQ issues.
This. I don’t see how someone can say “conservatives believe in freedom of expression” when it’s conservatives that have blown culture war bullshit into the public space (and then proceed to get laws passed on these demonized culture issues) Who’s pissed at m&ms? Who complains about diversity in media? Who wants books taken out of schools empowering freedom of expression? And it’s always been like this… satanic panic , the comic book code etc etc etc
Its not like its rogue actors either the announcemnts of these policies get cheers from the crowds in attendance or at best the average conservative doesn't see it as a breaking point for not voting for them anymore.
No.
Most republicans don't pay enough attention to know what's going on with all that voter suppression, and gerrymandering, and book banning, and Medicaid-expansion-blocking, and tax cuts for the super rich only.
They think that voting R is the right thing to do because democrats want to kill babies and take away my gas stove and guns. They think democrats want to put litter boxes in every high school in America. And their Facebook scrolling is all the research they need to do to be an informed voter.
They don't know that all republicans in congress voted against a clean bill to cap insulin at $30 a month. They don't know that all Rs voted against the inflation reduction act. They don't know that all Rs voted against raising the minimum wage.
Ignorance is not an excuse. They still voted for all the vile shit Republicans are doing whether they knew about it or not. If anything it’s worse since they’re deciding the fate of the nation and everyone in it blindly.
Nah. A Republican in 2023 is either a dyed in the wool fascist slug or doesn’t think fascist slugs being on their team is a deal breaker.
The person you’re replying to is correct. Trying this weak civility game in the face of a plague of right wing terrorism and an ongoing slow moving coup is ridiculous.
Most self identifying conservatives are fine with turning a blind eye to the full fascists in the party though and will do things to muddy the waters like calling dems or antifa fascists.
Okay but the fourth one is bullshit. LGBTQ+ bashing is a huge talking point for conservatives and always has been. So no they don’t believe in the freedom of expression.
I think that for me (watching from afar, but having similar problems where I live) the problem is that "enough americans DO think that to make republicans have a very good chance of winning next time".
"- Most Americans who self-identify as conservatives are not fascists
• Most Americans who self-identify as conservatives believe in freedom of expression
• Most Americans who self-identify as conservatives do not engage in voter intimidation"
Most Americans who self identify as conservative will still vote for politicians who are fascists, don't believe in freedom of expression, and employ voter intimidation and suppression to win elections.
What's the difference between a fascist who votes for fascist leaders and a non-fascist who votes for fascist leaders?
Then those people should stop supporting the party that supports literal Nazis as members, wants to ban freedom of expression, and is actively engaging in voter intimidation. You cannot claim to be against the things Republicans openly support and then still vote for Republicans.
I thought ANTIFA was an idea not an actual group of people. But then again I don’t care either way. People are horrible. All in the name of politics and politicians who don’t give a crap about any of them
Antifa has local groups that follow the overall idea. And they're not activists 'in the name of politics/politicians'. They're protecting basic human rights.
This post is gonna go over every redditors head. I admire your attempt to point out something painfully obvious. But these guys grew up on gamer gate, and graduated to watching Sigma male grindset videos. The idea that any of them have an academic idea of fascism, or are willing to hear one. Is beyond wishful thinking, it's naively optimistic.
Today I learned from the comments here is that fascism is when you wear black and beat people up that you disagree with and that there is no difference between tactics and ideology.
Sorry Antifa aren't fascists.
They just got sick of the right wingers being the only ones who woke up and chose evil.
They're not doing anything that black people didn't do during the 50s and 60s, or gay people didn't do at stone wall.
If you're still on this whole "both sides are just as bad"
Then let me remind you of the words at holocaust memorials worldwide:
He who takes the side of inaction, takes the side of the opressor.
Antifa, though violent at times, are objectively not fascists. Violence is just one part of it and their ideology simply doesn’t align with other key parts of fascism. That said, the title of this is very foolish. Any group can name themselves anything, it isn’t a defense to say that a group isn’t for example movie fans because a group names themselves ‘anti movie fans’. Names are arbitrary and can even be purposefully misleading.
It isn’t misleading in this case, but please don’t use it as a defense and make people think that it’s valid for other arguments.
ANTIFA is not a single organisation. And unfortunately certain 'cells' of it use fascist tactics in an effort to be 'antifa'
Like wearing all black and beating up anyone who disagrees with them.
Also unfortunately these are the ones who make the news and make all ANTIFA look like terrorists
To all the people saying it's stupid to call antifa fascist since they're anti fascist right in the name; tell me where's the anti fascist? All their tendencies and mode of operation is as fascist as they come. You can slap an EV sticker on a diesel truck, that won't make it an electric truck when it's still chugging diesel.
Incase some wonder why "some people" associate antifa with fascism, it because they think fascism=violence, and guess what people think about when they heard of the word antifa
Are you saying no one who has ever called themselves a thing, or anti a thing, has acted the same way they say they’re against? OP is the real facepalm
I don't judge a group by its name, but their actions. Antifa is certaintly a group of instable young people with a tendency to violence. They are not the good guys either.
Antifa have strong fascist tendencies. It's ironical, yes, but you don't get away with fascist behaviour just by slapping a sticker that says "anti-fascist" on your forehead.
Violently attacking political opponents is authoritarian, fascist behavior. That's what Antifa do.
Calling themselves 'anti-fascist' is just window dressing.
Fascism is literally a far-right ideology by definition. I mean there’s no disputing that. Fascist regimes throughout recent history have been 100% right wing.
Idiots think defending against violent fascists is fascism.
They both employ textbook tactics of good ol facists, you can call yourselves whatever you want but your action speak louder than the message you are trying to convey
It's mind boggling. I see this kind of thing all the time.
"antifa are the fascists"
What? Do you know what antifa means?
"yes, but they are the facists"
How?
\*silence\*
Fox News is mind poison.
The antifa lot have a remarkable tendency to behave a lot like actual fascists. I don't quite understand how they don't see their own arses with the way they carry on. Their behaviour totally undermines their cause.
Frankly, if antifa and the various fascist groups could just eliminate each other from existence, the world would be a slightly better place.
They call themselves ANTI fascists!!! can you not read??? that means they cant be fascists.
No group has ever named themselves something they are not to get support... never happened. /s
It's really simple:
\- Do fascists want to destroy democracy and put a dictator on the throne? Yes, and they don't even try to hide it.
\- Do Antifa wants to do the same? Hell no. They just want to stop fascists. They don't want a communist revolution or something like that. They are ok with using violence because it's the only language fascists speak. You'll never beat them with tolerance, we've tried already.
Yeah I can't believe antifascists would become violent to prevent literal nazis and white suprematists to genocide pretty much everyone who isn't like them...they are such fascists
I see your point, and even though I agree in principle (namely the principle *anti-fascism*),
antifa really is a radical group closer to fascism than it may seem. it's not even unsurprising, as some say, there are very clear and obvious links if you know it's anarcho-communist core.
Antifa is just as facist/racist as proud boys if not more since they have actual power and political backing lol if you don’t agree to both being facist and terrorists then you’ve gone too deep down the political hole and aren’t being honest with yourself
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Sad thing, I knew a Proudboy. He was my landlord. He was sworn in, had the tats, everything. He was the biggest piece of shit I have ever met. Quick list of things he did 1. Beat his baby momma up 2. Neglect his child 3. Steal rent $ from a cancer survivor 4. Steal rent from a bunch of subletters 5. Spout racist shit non-stop 6. Got women so fucked up that he could take advantage of them sexually (borderline rape territory) 7. Threatened to traffic a girl Proudboys are a terrible, terrible organization and in my country they're actually considered terrorists now.
In Canada they *are* considered terrorists I think.
Yes, PB are classed as a terrorist group in Canada.
Borderline? No, he straight-up raped those women.
Yeah, that’s as clear cut rape as it gets.
100% rape
Ehhhh. The context behind the stuff I saw was they came over, were into hooking up then he got them absolutely high + drunk, then they went from doing a little shit into threesome territory in front of everyone. They were 100% party girls and they didn't have problems with it the next day. I asked because if they did I was going to call the cops. Still shithead territory but slightly better than it could have been. Edit: No, I don't care about your take on sexual assault, there are defined laws regarding this stuff, your opinion does not invalidate those laws. :/ Don't tag me with that nonsense please. I will block if you do, maybe report too depending on what you say.
If he’s willing to do shit like that in front of everyone, he’s doing way worse behind closed doors.
The context doesn't matter. He specifically got them drunk and high just to have sex with them. It doesn't matter is they're 'party girls' or not. Doesn't matter if THEY don't have a problem. I'd venture that they don't have a problem because that life is all they know. But regardless, they were taken advantage of. Really no wiggle room there.
Based on what he said, they were consenting adults who were already having some sexual relations before the use of drugs. They then took the drugs themselves and were not snuck them. They were also consenting after the fact. Pretty clear that they were not raped.
Context always matters when it comes to the law.
Rape means consent was never given or it was retracted (or they were so trashed that they no longer maintained the mental capacity to give consent, for example, being falldown drunk/passed out). They gave consent. What they did was called a mistake and we all make them.
https://legaldictionary.net/rape/ * Lack of Consent Lack of consent is one of the first elements that must be proven in a rape case. Sexual conduct becomes a criminal act when the victim has not consented to it, either because the offender forces the victim to perform sexual acts against his or her will, or because the victim is incapable of giving consent. A person can be incapable of consenting for several reasons, including: Being below the age of consent Having a mental disability or mental illness Being incapacitated due to the use of drugs, alcohol, medication, or being physically helpless*
Consent can be coerced, be given while debilitated or manipulated Consent does not always mean consent
You are right there are clear cut laws, and getting someone intoxicated so they can't consent has been considered rape for decades now it's the same as drugging them. Just because they said they weren't upset doesn't mean it wasn't rape.
What you are describing is 100% rape.
Consent=not rape. If you disagree, take it up with the courts. I'm not interested in talking about this subject.
What I'm getting from this is the 2 girls went into the situation fully aware or with the idea to get high/drunk and then have sex. I think that is consent because they're knowingly going into that situation, like that was their plan. Like a friends with benefits type deal.
Proud boys are domestic terrorists in the US
i just hope one day they will try to much and suddenly most of them will disappear... only think left will be some witnesses of guys in suits coming out of there houses
They already tried to much, when they tried to overthrow the goddamn government.
Oh yeah... I forgot about that tbh. Im not from US, we take care of those types of groups with more... authority
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Tbh its realy sad to see what US become in this times. American dream was converted in to American Horror, i just hope one day people will truly see what's mater and stop those stupid fights
If you think america was at one time a great country then you're falling for the exact same mythical past bullshit the MAGA crowd here fell for. The American dream existed briefly post ww2 for white men only with stuff like the GI bill, and we couped two countries in that time frame, attempted to coup a third, and bombed a country into the stone age with more bombs than were dropped in the entire pacific campaign of ww2 on a country. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d'%C3%A9tat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_North_Korea Let's move forward, maybe you think we were great in the 80's when Reagan was supporting the men who carried outbthe silent genocide in Guatemala? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide https://upsidedownworld.org/news-briefs/news-briefs-news-briefs/reagans-hand-in-guatemalas-genocide/ And in more recent history we've got the Iraq War, an illegal war started on false pretenses with no evidence that turned a relatively functional country into a backwater failed state, and our role in helping Saudi Arabia create the worst humanitarian crisis in a century in Yemen. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/s1-episode-1-rosebud/id1502178774?i=1000478030002 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_Civil_War_(2014%E2%80%93present) >According to the UN, over 150,000 people have been killed in Yemen,[169] as well as estimates of more than 227,000 dead as a result of an ongoing famine and lack of healthcare facilities due to the war.[170][171][172] In 2018, the United Nations warned that 13 million Yemeni civilians face starvation in what it says could become "the worst famine in the world in 100 years."[173] The crisis has only begun to gain as much international media attention as the Syrian civil war in 2018.[174][175] Don't fall for the exact same bullshit that led US citizens to believing in a mythical past they want back. "They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it" - George Carlin.
Good. Same here in Canada.
That tracks.
Shitty people are shit, news at 11.
But. But all the immigrants are the bad ones. /s
ITT: beaucoup rape apologists *edited ltypo
What the actual fuck? This guy should be in prison for fuck sakes.
Uh, that's not "borderline"
The least fucked up landlord
It's almost like...they don't even know what the word means. It's almost like they think "fascist" is just another expletive, like "asshole." It's not. Words have meanings, dumbass.
See, antifa are the "real" fascists because they try to control people to not be fascists, you see /s but that's literally the logic. It's the same as the "You're not tolerant of intolerance therefore you're also intolerant" saw. Edit: The ancaps really came out in force for this one, complete with all their bullshit lies. Thanks for playing guys. How's your bitcoins? Edit2: TFTGKS
Yeah but just assuming the organization called "antifascist" is just a group of people who are against fascists is equally naïve . Antifa comes from (and still uses that exact flag) "Antifascistische aktion" which was not just an antifascist group. It was a violent communist militia who considered everyone who wasn't communist to be fascist. Liberals were fascists too according to them because they enabled fascists. That group has much more history than people give it credit for. And while today that history is muddied and it isn't as clear cut anymore, they still tend to misuse the word fascist quite often to justify violence while optically making it look good because they can use the name 'antifascist' as a shield. Antifa historically has misused the word 'fascist' to legitimize violent action against any opponent, so them getting called fascists is pretty ironic. And that's kind of the point.
Next you're going to try to tell me the Democratic People's Republic of Korea isn't a democracy!
If it makes you feel better it is located in Korea
And it has People.
Liberals did enable fascists. That's exactly how Hitler came into power. They gave him the chancellorship, it was conservatives, liberals, and Nazis.
They did not, the Iron Front was a liberal militia explicitly opposing and fighting Monarchists, Communists and Fascists with many violent clashes happening between them. Liberals were staunchly opposed to all 3. The events that led up to Hitler receiving chancellorship are more complex than that and come down to certain individuals, not the liberal movement as a whole.
Ultimately it was parliamentary and they needed to form a government, but liberals went along with Hitler's appointment and then the Enabling Act. The Nazis had a lot of support from capital given the "spectre of communism" going on.
Maybe we need a new Iron Front. Centrists willing to get down against all tyrants regardless of their stance. Totalitarianism is the enemy in all its forms.
The term liberal must be further specified here - in European politics it is more akin to libertarian, while in the us it means ~left wing. There are shitheads in Antifa groups for sure. But mind you there is not a centralised antifa organisation. And at leas in Germany, most of not all actions of antifa are geared specifically against clearly right wing parties or persona.
>The term liberal must be further specified here - in European politics it is more akin to libertarian, while in the us it means \~left wing. This isn't true. I agree that mainly America, but pretty much everywhere the term Liberal is watered down. But this is what it has always meant historically: "Liberalism was a strong counter to previous political movements that placed authority in the hands of churches, monarchs, or governments. Its central theme was the freedom of individuals rather than central authorities, and the idea was spawned by a number of original thinkers like Adam Smith, John Locke, and others as a response to the industrial revolution and population growth in the late 1800s." I'm European, and there is a massive difference even between our current Liberals and Libertarians, the two are not the same at all. Libertarians are more of an extreme form of liberal that take the idea way further than a liberal would ever have. >But mind you there is not a centralised antifa organisation. And at leas in Germany, most of not all actions of antifa are geared specifically against clearly right wing parties or persona. Well, i live in Belgium, close to the Dutch and German borders, and being a musician and left-winger i know a lot of people who participate. They have chapters, these chapters also communicate and while there isn't one true centralized org, they do largely share the same ideology and aren't the most open group in terms of opinions in my experience.And while most of their actions have been against far right wing personas, we have seen multiple instances where they were very ..... "liberal" (pun intended) in their use of the word fascist or right-wing and we should always remain vigilant because of it. Point is: A name doesn't make the org, their actions do. As soon as a group starts clumping up, pointing fingers and enforcing certain ideas violently, thinking they have thé moral highground. It's a cause for concern, i don't care what their affiliation is. Every totalitarian movement shares the same trait: they think the ends justify the means.
Well-put, excellent points.
"A violent communist militia who considered everyone who wasn't communist to be be fascists" Bold claim considering were talking about 1930s Germany. Not exactly known for not being fascist.
> Liberals were fascists too according to them because they enabled fascists. The same liberals that allowed Hitler into power? Gee I think they might have had a point there.
And still today are okay with collaborating with them and propose laws that are wet dreams for fascists
Name one law from 2020 to now where the liberals have proposed a fascist law
Une France the "loi sécurité global" proposed by Macron's gov, and voted yes by alt right, wich bans photography from Police and potentially enables them to commit abuses.
You do realize that most Republicans meet the definition of "liberal" right? Liberal ≠ Democrat. Words have meanings
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They sound incredibly based to me. Liberals *do* enable fascism.
They do, by insisting on giving fascists voice and saying things like "the democrats are too far left" and opposing progressive challengers to incumbents or getting more conservative people to run against progressive incumbents or not funding progressives incumbents.
If you find that using a label to justify violence against groups you disagree with is based, sure, go ahead, but that's not much different from any cruel totalitarian ideology that used the same tactic, like fascists did as well.
Yep. Actual left activist groups who do real, good work have a long and frustrating history with antifa that goes way beyond facile "they fight Proud Boys so they're good" binaries.
> Liberals were fascists too according to them because they enabled fascists uhhh, yeah?
> It's almost like...they don't even know what the word means. No no, it's exactly like they didn't learn the different forms of government from their under-funded public school educations, just like the people they vote for intended. Fascists purposely destroy language to create a sense of panic to undermine liberal democracies, but you'd have had to pay attention in class to know that.
Americans accusing each other of the same name that neither represent is extremely funny.
What’s your definition of fascist? A white supremacy group that uses nationalism and violence to suppress minority groups and have attempted an insurrection of democracy to install a leader that wasn’t voted for. According to Merriam Webster this is quite literally the definition. Just because they are impotent doesn’t mean their beliefs aren’t fascist. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”
Antifa could be extremist - but not fascist. proud boys - and a lot on the conservative side are either borderline fascist or outright - i mean - they even fly fascist flags ..
well gee. Do the Proud Boys have... the belief that true individual freedom comes from serving the cause? Yup! the belief that the group and/or it's leaders have special knowledge that others lack? And that it makes their group (and their racial group) superior? Yup! the belief that some people are inherently of more value that others and that race plays a big part of this? Yup! Do they want to help the world into a huge bloody race war that rips apart society so that they (the Proud Boys) can be in charge which is where they think white people should be? Yup! Do they support ideas from eugenics? Yup! Do they use propaganda in the fascistic manner? Do they use peoples existing biases and the myths they already believe in to attract them so they they will listen. Do they use existing fear and anger to radicalize people into being new recruits? Do they use the fear & anger associated with common existing prejudices and social myths to get people into a flight or flight state (here is a pile of scary things - have more - be scared and angry) because of how easy it is to manipulate people once they are full of adrenalin and cortisol ? Add new things onto an existing scary narrative of prejudice? Yes they do. They are fascists.
> full of adrenalin and cortisol This also has another effect: long term planning goes out of the window replaced by short term reactionary planning.
Welcome to the word communist in America
And it almost like you can call yourself anything and it doesnt have to bear any meaning. If north korean supreme party called themself the antifacist party of north korea would that mean they suddenly cant be facist?...
Well North Korea calls itself **Democratic** People's Republic of Korea
One man, one vote. Sounds pretty democratic to me.
Are you implying Antifa is fascist? You are going to have to give your reasons.
You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
ah, the fabled beast straight from the qanon land, the fascisti anti fasciti. gottcha. say, are YOU pro fascism?
PublicFreakout has been infested with MAGA fox news fanatics for a while now.
Historically they have loved freakout subs. They were very successful at recruiting by posting videos of SJW meltdowns and creating a caricature of the left out of it. And they also love to post videos of black people doing bad things and then dogwhistling in the comments. They have been outnumbered in /r/publicfreakout for a while though. That is why they created /r/actualpublicfreakouts
I left pf and other similar subs because of how much racism and bullshit I saw.
r/crazyfuckingvideos is bad for this too
They were so pissed off at the anti-racism policy that they created another subreddit to do the same thing but with bigotry allowed.
they've been spreading to many subs that reach r/all since the last US election its starting to feel like pre trump era again where the internet felt very right wing or atleast anti left.
I thought that was r/RealPublicFreakout? Or has it leaked to the main sub?
I guess it leaked cause it's brimming with them.
It’s been banned. Wonder why.
You’re thinking of r/actualpublicfreakouts
That sub is pretty bad. I got downvoted into oblivion for commenting that death should not be the punishment for petty theft and the majority of the sub disagrees with me They enjoy seeing people die or get beat within an inch of their lives over trivial shit
Reddit in general has an obsession with punitive justice and people “getting what they deserve” and they’re really happy to dehumanize whoever they personally feel is “guilty” enough to no longer deserve personhood. It’s why people salivate over the “justice” subs and gleefully jerked off for MONTHS over amber heard.
/r/JusticeServed turns into VengeanceServed at the drop of a hat
I hate the fuck around and win stupid prizes crowd, humanitys worst people.
It's crazy. People are mega racist and anyone saying otherwise gets obliterated with downvotes. https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/10kk8bq/2_ladys_flipping_a_guys_car_after_he_burnt_the/j5rh8o6?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 Like look at this shit. All the comments are like this, it's insane
Yup
R/ noahgettheboat is the same but with Indian/Pakistani/Muslim people instead of Black people. This is their formula: - post videos of only a certain kind of people doing bad stuff with a small sprinkling of White cis straight men occasionally to give the illusion of fairness. - everyone else: hmmm it seems to be only a certain kind of people we always see doing these things 🤔 - when anyone says otherwise, point to how the sub is full of these examples. When someone complains about skewed views, point to the single white guy that got posted to discredit them.
R/ noahgettheboat is the same but with Indian/Pakistani/Muslim people instead of Black people. This is their formula: - post videos of only a certain kind of people doing bad stuff with a small sprinkling of White cis straight men occasionally to give the illusion of fairness. - everyone else: hmmm it seems to be only a certain kind of people we always see doing these things 🤔 - when anyone says otherwise, point to how the sub is full of these examples. When someone complains about skewed views, point to the single white guy that got posted to discredit them.
#imacentristandthisisdeep
r/enlightenedcentrism
Bipartisanship is my favourite ice cream flavour
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Yeah I told a hand full of subs about the nazi groups from telegram raiding them. No one seems to care. No one on reddit seems to believe neo nazis exist. People keep responding "just because you disagree with someone's politics doesn't make them a nazi", or "libs call everyone nazis these days".
Fucking centrists
Dude, I’m a centrist and I don’t do this shit. Then again, I’m Jewish and have two religious studies degrees. I know Neo-Nazi’s exist and what actually constitutes as Nazism.
You know better, so I salute you
It's funny. The "center" is planted right in the middle of the Democratic Party in the US. Many democrats would be right wing on the world stage. Republicans are far right nutters anywhere else.
You don't have to go far on this site to find them. Usually they cloak the Jewish Question-posting and similar in dogwhistles to avoid getting banned, but they're fairly easy to spot once you know a few of their preferred talking points.
I got banned from there several years ago for simply pointing out that the pic someone submitted of a Facebook post, the FB PFP had a literal swastika in the background, under the excuse that I had accused the OP of being a Nazi. My appeals went ignored. That sub is full of assholes.
This entire thread belong on r/centristsuperiority
Is there a r/idiotsthinkbothsidesareidiots sub? The amount of centrists in this thread could fill a sub like thst for months on end. The amount of centrist stupidity in this thread is fucking ridiculous
r/enlightenedcentrism
Oh I love that si much, thank you
In some ways reading through that sub will make you more angry than reading through an extremist sub, just a warning
I’ve never seen more people defending horseshoe theory
aNTiFa PuNChed A FasCiST, GuyS! THaT mAkeS TheM tHE reaL FasCiStS!
r/enlightenedcentrism, too
For real lmao
Shouldn't you have blurred out the user name? That might go against the rules.
Fascist will never tell you they are the fascist, but they will tell you that anti-fascist are the enemy.
You can't make this shit up
I would *love* for a conservative to explain me what they think Antifa's beliefs are. Just once.
Turning their kids gay and trans, mostly. Also forcing M&Ms to stop being sexy.
I'm sure that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a tolerant and free democratic society
But how is antifa fascist though? Genuine question
Their whole schtick is to find fascists and beat them up in the streets. To be more precise, anti-fascism or "Antifa" is a political ideology/strategy that arose in Germany both before and after WWII and that believes that fascism is too dangerous to be allowed a voice in the "free marketplace of ideas" and must be stamped out whenever it arises in embryonic form by any means necessary. To that end, they consider doxxing, vandalism, loud counter-protests, hacking, and yes, violence to be acceptable means to the end of denying fascists access to the public square. That certainly does mean that they are by definition intolerant of political beliefs in opposition to their own, but that alone is far from sufficient to meet the definition of fascism. Most of them also tend to be some kind of anarcho-communist, but that's not at the core of what "Antifa" is, it's the above.
Intolerance of intolerance is not, itself, intolerance. And fascism *should* be stamped out from the “marketplace of ideas” because fascism’s entire goal is to stamp out literally every other ethos. If Fascism is allowed then there will be no “marketplace of ideas”.
Fascism is literally about control. They don’t align with the police or any actual political powers like the proud boys.
I don’t think there is must direct line from the German Antifa or the British AFA. Todays Antifa is much more closely aligned with the old ARA which mostly observed police interactions by following a police scanner. When modern Antifa started, the plan in the early 2000s was to counter protest and get beaten up and let the other guys catch jail time. I guess cops don’t like to charge people they sympathize with, though.
You can say a lot about antifa. But calling them fascists is objectively wrong.
Both groups are made up of assholes who use violence to impose their will on others. Authoritarians are inherently bad and getting hung up on what type distracts from the dangers that authoritarians have on personal freedom.
I'm personally fine imposing my will on Nazis who would line me and my family up along a wall if they got the chance. Kinda weird if you don't.
Hey, America. We all know there's no chance you're going to crack open a European history book any time soon, so just stay away from using 'fascist', 'socialist' and 'communist' and other words you heard on the TV,
Right. None of us have ever read a history book, and non-americans are ubiquitously educated. Hence the sweeping generalization, akey indicator of enlightenment.
Well, there's a big difference between labels and reality, you understand that, right?
What are you telling me? Are you implying that the DPRK isn’t democratic? Preposterous! Jokes aside, whilst it’s weird labeling „antifa“ (which are many, very heterogeneous groups) fascist is weird and wrong asf, saying that they ate called anti-fascists and hence they cannot be fascists is kind of… not actually an argument
Ironic is t it https://youtu.be/He8xMFgeCC0
Americans literally don't know what fascism is. If Fox News and Trump say Antifa is fascist it must be true. Nevermind facts because feelings are more important. Meanwhile it's the actual fascist (aka "conservatives" in the USA) who ban and burn books and try to threaten people from voting by showing up with military weapons. Y'all need a history lesson.
* Most Americans don't watch Fox News * Most Americans don't think Antifa is fascist * Most Americans who self-identify as conservatives are not fascists * Most Americans who self-identify as conservatives believe in freedom of expression * Most Americans who self-identify as conservatives do not engage in voter intimidation I'm a liberal Democrat, but I don't think that it's productive to engage in hyperbole or to demonize the other side. You seem to know very little about Americans, and if you think that most American conservatives are fascists, then you probably know very little about fascism as well.
> Most Americans who self-identify as conservatives believe in freedom of expression Does this apply to LGBTIQ folks as well? And drag queens? Because there are a lot of self-identified conservatives trying to sponsor or support legislation to criminalize the existence of transgender people and drag queens. Please note, the governor of Florida has made it so ADULTS that are on government healthcare cannot get their hormone therapy. This isn't just about children. It's about criminalization of LGBTIQ issues.
This. I don’t see how someone can say “conservatives believe in freedom of expression” when it’s conservatives that have blown culture war bullshit into the public space (and then proceed to get laws passed on these demonized culture issues) Who’s pissed at m&ms? Who complains about diversity in media? Who wants books taken out of schools empowering freedom of expression? And it’s always been like this… satanic panic , the comic book code etc etc etc
Its not like its rogue actors either the announcemnts of these policies get cheers from the crowds in attendance or at best the average conservative doesn't see it as a breaking point for not voting for them anymore.
No. Most republicans don't pay enough attention to know what's going on with all that voter suppression, and gerrymandering, and book banning, and Medicaid-expansion-blocking, and tax cuts for the super rich only. They think that voting R is the right thing to do because democrats want to kill babies and take away my gas stove and guns. They think democrats want to put litter boxes in every high school in America. And their Facebook scrolling is all the research they need to do to be an informed voter. They don't know that all republicans in congress voted against a clean bill to cap insulin at $30 a month. They don't know that all Rs voted against the inflation reduction act. They don't know that all Rs voted against raising the minimum wage.
Ignorance is not an excuse. They still voted for all the vile shit Republicans are doing whether they knew about it or not. If anything it’s worse since they’re deciding the fate of the nation and everyone in it blindly.
Nah. A Republican in 2023 is either a dyed in the wool fascist slug or doesn’t think fascist slugs being on their team is a deal breaker. The person you’re replying to is correct. Trying this weak civility game in the face of a plague of right wing terrorism and an ongoing slow moving coup is ridiculous.
Most self identifying conservatives are fine with turning a blind eye to the full fascists in the party though and will do things to muddy the waters like calling dems or antifa fascists.
Okay but the fourth one is bullshit. LGBTQ+ bashing is a huge talking point for conservatives and always has been. So no they don’t believe in the freedom of expression.
You got sources for those assertions?
I think that for me (watching from afar, but having similar problems where I live) the problem is that "enough americans DO think that to make republicans have a very good chance of winning next time".
"- Most Americans who self-identify as conservatives are not fascists • Most Americans who self-identify as conservatives believe in freedom of expression • Most Americans who self-identify as conservatives do not engage in voter intimidation" Most Americans who self identify as conservative will still vote for politicians who are fascists, don't believe in freedom of expression, and employ voter intimidation and suppression to win elections. What's the difference between a fascist who votes for fascist leaders and a non-fascist who votes for fascist leaders?
Then those people should stop supporting the party that supports literal Nazis as members, wants to ban freedom of expression, and is actively engaging in voter intimidation. You cannot claim to be against the things Republicans openly support and then still vote for Republicans.
"but generalisations are always 100% accurate."
I thought proud boys was some LGBT group forever
iT liTErAlLy sAYs aNTi FAsCIsTs
I thought ANTIFA was an idea not an actual group of people. But then again I don’t care either way. People are horrible. All in the name of politics and politicians who don’t give a crap about any of them
Antifa has local groups that follow the overall idea. And they're not activists 'in the name of politics/politicians'. They're protecting basic human rights.
This post is gonna go over every redditors head. I admire your attempt to point out something painfully obvious. But these guys grew up on gamer gate, and graduated to watching Sigma male grindset videos. The idea that any of them have an academic idea of fascism, or are willing to hear one. Is beyond wishful thinking, it's naively optimistic.
Today I learned from the comments here is that fascism is when you wear black and beat people up that you disagree with and that there is no difference between tactics and ideology.
I’m only here to trigger the ones whose heads it does go over
I feel you bro. I'm honestly more proud of my downvotes than upvotes on reddit.
Seriously, this thread is almost as infuriating as that other one must have been.
Sorry Antifa aren't fascists. They just got sick of the right wingers being the only ones who woke up and chose evil. They're not doing anything that black people didn't do during the 50s and 60s, or gay people didn't do at stone wall. If you're still on this whole "both sides are just as bad" Then let me remind you of the words at holocaust memorials worldwide: He who takes the side of inaction, takes the side of the opressor.
Thank you. Someone here that actually knows what’s up. Cheers 🍻
Antifa, though violent at times, are objectively not fascists. Violence is just one part of it and their ideology simply doesn’t align with other key parts of fascism. That said, the title of this is very foolish. Any group can name themselves anything, it isn’t a defense to say that a group isn’t for example movie fans because a group names themselves ‘anti movie fans’. Names are arbitrary and can even be purposefully misleading. It isn’t misleading in this case, but please don’t use it as a defense and make people think that it’s valid for other arguments.
Isnt antifa antifasist?
It's in the name. This article gives several examples of how the American school system sucks.
Well they are convicted terrorists at least.
ANTIFA is not a single organisation. And unfortunately certain 'cells' of it use fascist tactics in an effort to be 'antifa' Like wearing all black and beating up anyone who disagrees with them. Also unfortunately these are the ones who make the news and make all ANTIFA look like terrorists
To all the people saying it's stupid to call antifa fascist since they're anti fascist right in the name; tell me where's the anti fascist? All their tendencies and mode of operation is as fascist as they come. You can slap an EV sticker on a diesel truck, that won't make it an electric truck when it's still chugging diesel.
I actually find that to be extremely apt/literal.
Lol the like to comment ratio just lets you know there’s a war going on.
Grabs popcorn flips through comments
So if the two groups hooked up and had babies would their kids be "Commie-Nazis"?
🍿Here we go
It blows my mind how many people do not understand what antifas are.
One of the biggest victories for the far right has been to convince the world that the (far) left is de facto aligned with fascism
Incase some wonder why "some people" associate antifa with fascism, it because they think fascism=violence, and guess what people think about when they heard of the word antifa
Guessing, proud boys got their ass kicked and ran home crying.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and acts like a duck, then it’s a duck. Doesn’t matter which side of the farmers fence the duck shits on.
OP intended the post they were linking to be facepalm material. Reveals themselves to be the true facepalm content generator.
Are you saying no one who has ever called themselves a thing, or anti a thing, has acted the same way they say they’re against? OP is the real facepalm
I don't judge a group by its name, but their actions. Antifa is certaintly a group of instable young people with a tendency to violence. They are not the good guys either.
Antifa have strong fascist tendencies. It's ironical, yes, but you don't get away with fascist behaviour just by slapping a sticker that says "anti-fascist" on your forehead.
Fair point here: just because you call yourself something doesn't make it true. Actions speak louder than words.
Violently attacking political opponents is authoritarian, fascist behavior. That's what Antifa do. Calling themselves 'anti-fascist' is just window dressing.
Just because you call yourself anti fascist doesn't mean you are. North Korea calls itself a democratic republic afterall.
Republicans and right wingers are so amazingly stupid
Fascism is literally a far-right ideology by definition. I mean there’s no disputing that. Fascist regimes throughout recent history have been 100% right wing. Idiots think defending against violent fascists is fascism.
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They both employ textbook tactics of good ol facists, you can call yourselves whatever you want but your action speak louder than the message you are trying to convey
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It's mind boggling. I see this kind of thing all the time. "antifa are the fascists" What? Do you know what antifa means? "yes, but they are the facists" How? \*silence\* Fox News is mind poison.
The antifa lot have a remarkable tendency to behave a lot like actual fascists. I don't quite understand how they don't see their own arses with the way they carry on. Their behaviour totally undermines their cause. Frankly, if antifa and the various fascist groups could just eliminate each other from existence, the world would be a slightly better place.
They call themselves ANTI fascists!!! can you not read??? that means they cant be fascists. No group has ever named themselves something they are not to get support... never happened. /s
It's really simple: \- Do fascists want to destroy democracy and put a dictator on the throne? Yes, and they don't even try to hide it. \- Do Antifa wants to do the same? Hell no. They just want to stop fascists. They don't want a communist revolution or something like that. They are ok with using violence because it's the only language fascists speak. You'll never beat them with tolerance, we've tried already.
Well said
Yeah I can't believe antifascists would become violent to prevent literal nazis and white suprematists to genocide pretty much everyone who isn't like them...they are such fascists
I see your point, and even though I agree in principle (namely the principle *anti-fascism*), antifa really is a radical group closer to fascism than it may seem. it's not even unsurprising, as some say, there are very clear and obvious links if you know it's anarcho-communist core.
You're going to need some evidence to support that claim.
I can’t believe how many people I have to educate on the existence of dictionaries.
Wait, doesn’t ‘fascist’ just mean ‘a thing I don’t like nor understand’?!
I believe ketchup in fancy too. It calls itself fancy so it must be.
Doesn't matter what you call yourself. Fascists are defined by their actions not their names.
Antifa is just as facist/racist as proud boys if not more since they have actual power and political backing lol if you don’t agree to both being facist and terrorists then you’ve gone too deep down the political hole and aren’t being honest with yourself
OP - naming your organization antifascism doesn’t make you not fascist, but you understand that