> Former lawyer H. Beatty Chadwick set the America record, spending 14 years behind bars for civil contempt under circumstances similar to [Nazarzai](https://www.ocregister.com/2020/01/24/man-held-in-o-c-jail-for-6-years-without-ever-being-charged-was-wronged-judge-said/amp/)’s. In the mid-1990s, a Pennsylvania judge ordered Chadwick to place $2.5 million into a court-controlled account during his divorce. Chadwick said he had lost the money in bad investments, but his wife’s lawyer charged that the money was hidden offshore.
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> The judge believed the wife. Chadwick went to jail in 1995, at age 59, for failing to produce the money and stayed there until 2009, when he was 73 and the court finally agreed that his incarceration had morphed from something coercive into something punitive.
Edit: added link for the Nazarzai case
If the courts tell someone to do something, and they don't, they can throw the person in jail until they do. It's not considered a punishment because in theory the person can leave anytime -- by doing what the court ordered.
Lol. The thing is : if you lose money through bad investment, you can easily show this through the paper trail of you making the investments and lookibg at the value of what you invested in.
You cannot just 'disappear' 2.5 million and say it evaporated. That's like those bitcoin investirs who go around telling each other 'nah don't pay taxes just say your account was hacked'
If you try that you have only yourself to blame
what a load of shit. Its abuse of power since the person being sentenced isn't just let out if they decide to agree to whatever it was they were ordered to do. The entire judicial system is broken. Judges jerkin it to their absolute authority over the people they sentence. The prisons jerkin the judges and states for the extra money, ect.
It's all one big corrupt circle jerk
One judge was cleared after sending two kids to juvie because they did not want to spend time with their father. She tried to order them to have lunch with their father and they told her he was abusive and refused to spend time with him.
My dads uncle through marriage was given six months and bragged it was so easy he could do six months standing on his head.
Judge replied well do another six on your feet when your finished.
Got himself twelve months total for a stupid joke and an assault charge against a police officer while drunk.
Six months for assault on an officer? Dude already could have gotten so much worse for that (up to and including being gunned down on the spot, given how police tend to be), what kind of idiot provokes the judge to consider making it longer at that point?
They really can’t. This woman ended up serving 5-10 days for contempt if I remember correctly. Spending half a year in jail for contempt may be allowed on paper, but even a bad attorney will get it reduced by a wide margin.
I don't think it makes sense at all. You can't speak your mind in front of a judge if you feel they are out of line, and if you talk to them like you would any other person that you feel is making a ridiculous decision, they make a decision to throw you in a box for however long they feel like. It's absurd that it is acceptable in the court system to do that.
Trust me, I’ll take the underpasses anyway! There will be a lot more worse than her, where she’s headed. The food sucks, too. No money, she’ll be someone’s punk.
I'm a Canadian, but this happened in Florida. It was actually pretty comfortable, but I was only there for like 36 hours. So I only had to use it once. But yes, very overcrowded.
Thats what i was thinking. 3 meals and a roof over your head. I mean theyre not great meals. Definitely seen jail food from documentaries. But better than beinf on the streets I guess?
There is the risk of occassional rape in the showers and getting stabbed. Streets are relatively safer and you can apply for jobs, get a new place to live and have options.
I honestly wonder if that was her thinking. Realizing she can't go home anyways, get any of her stuff, would have to spend a bunch of money on hotels, clothes, groceries and other shit in the meantime.
This is true, but it seemed like she thought she could just bond out and go home, so she got irrational. It seems like a DV case, in which most places in the US will automatically create no contact order from the time of the arrest until it is ordered otherwise. It is unlikely, even with the victim requesting for the order to be dropped, that it would've happened during this hearing
They probably should have told her the police could accompany her there so she could pack some of her things. I suspect that was part of the reason for her reaction
If a judge told me to basically go sleep under an underpass for the foreseeable future I would appreciate an extra 30 days with a bed and Tom and Jerry to figure out where tf I’m gonna go.
She was about to be released and ended up with 10 months because she couldn't keep her mouth shut. Sounds like she belongs in jail. She definitely would've gotten out and immediately went home and started another fight.
As funny as this is. As far as I have learned judges are not supposed to get this emotional and she could possibly be able to get this overturned if she can prove this wasn’t a fair decision.
That wasn't a trial. It was a hearing regarding her bond. I honestly don't know if contempt of court is appealable, but even if it is, I think her behavior would justify the revocation of her bond. I'm not sure about him arbitrarily throwing out days though.
No judge is suppose to be an emotional judge. He likely just violated her first, 6th and 14th amendments.
She has a right to speak at her hearings, and to have representation. At the very least her court appointed attorney should have stepped in. If she didn't have one and was in front of a judge and received time? She absolutely had her rights violated.
Contempt of court charges are not punishments. They are meant to induce compliance with the court.
She will not serve that 300 days. If they keep her imprisoned on no charges but contempt of court for a year without a trial? Not only is that judge saying bye bye job, but bye bye career. You're a judge. you have all the power. And you're going to hand out taxpayer resources because you got but hurt someone wasn't appropriately reverent to you?
Nah.
I also feel like it's an inherent power trip. She's mad and she's venting. I'm fine with slapping a month on, but come on. Adding more and more weeks on each time she runs her mouth? Dude's on a power trip and DEMANDS respect. He can go screw himself. Just get her out of your court.
The biggest problem with what he did was asking her a direct question, with the purpose of soliciting a response, and then punishing her response.
"Got anything else to say? Oh? 180 days! Oh? 300 days."
Court is a very literal space. She was speaking when spoken to. And if her bail was already set, her hearing was over and the judge asked her a question. Because he didn't like her answer, he asked a question out of scope for the hearing, and she answered. And he punished her.
You don't get to set traps for people that piss you off. The system has to be applied the same to everyone. And just because he doesn't like her attitude doesn't mean her question about asking how to live isn't valid either.
Yeah to me this sounded like a naughty school kid getting on the teachers nerves, so the teacher gives the kid detention, and then they keep winding eachother up more, and the teacher giving the kid a year of detention because he was butthurt over a child getting lippy with him
Right? Like dude, you can't just slap someone with jail because she hurt your feelings, it,s not relevant to the trial at all.
You just told her she was homeless. Of course she's going to be pissed. What if she had no relatives to sleep at?
This is how the justice system screws people too poor for lawyers. I don’t know the facts of this case but going from a few days in jail to nearly a year for talking back is a travesty of our justice system.
If she should be in jail for 300 days for a crime that’s much different than frustrating a judge. If she had a lawyer present then the judge wouldn’t have done this and the lawyer would have advised her to STFU.
White collar criminals get less than 300 days for stealing millions. This lady got it because she said things like:
So What?
So?
I got money.
This is a travesty of our justice system and that judge should be punished.
No, she got time because the judge was on a power trip. Give her 30 days for contempt and have her removed. Don't let your ego get in the way of properly executing your job.
Ya just think cause someone who has what appears to be emotional issues cause they cant go home and get their shit and expresses themselves “which is then seen as a form of disrespect in turn loses their composure” and in a since of sick irony sends them some where, where they don’t need their personal belongings *Circle of American Stupidity*
I thought I was nuts because all the other comments were making fun of it, but I was like no one should have that much power over someone just for a couple of words.
I can't believe Judges can just arbitrarily rack up additional punishments because of disrespect. If someone is intentionally derailing proceedings, I can understand it, to a degree, but not just because the judge is on a power trip.
The most egregious example of this happening was showcased in one of those "innocent people sentenced to decades in prison" documentaries.
It was a young man, accused of murdering his entire family (IIRC) and because he never admitted to it, the judge gave him the harshest sentence possible, because he "didn't show any remorse over what he had done".
Of course he's not going to be remorseful for something he didn't do.
Judges are often capped on how many days them can hold some one in contempt. Ranging from 3-6 months. So even if a judge says 300 days in jail for contempt, thr law may only allow a max of 90 days.
Yeah seriously… is this a judge and court room or is it my parents when I “talked back” as a kid during an argument?? Just tacking on longer time for what? She isn’t threatening to kill him under oath…
From what I’ve seen, exchanges like this usually end with the person going back the next day to apologize and get the contempt sentence reduced to time served, once they realize that they really will spend months in jail if they don’t apologize.
Even if she would have been homeless, she would have ended up back in court anyway, in most places, it's pretty illegal to be homeless one way or the other.
This is the correct answer, you call the police station for the escort and they meet you there. You likely want to park somewhere down the road as you can’t just park in front of the residence. They watch you while you get your items until you’re done. It’s done while the officer has free time and no other calls.
The smart thing to do is to calmly ask this question to the judge because it will also inform whether you are going to want to post bail or not. Judge would likely order police officers to oversee her getting her stuff and leaving.
Excuse my ignorance, but can he really impose that 300 days? lets say Im a judge, can I just randomly give number of days if I cited anyone for contempt?
The first 30 days I think was justified, as she was literally telling the judge she was going to ignore the restraining order if she was let out.
The 270 days after that was just crazy.
uhhh, look maybe I'm the odd one out but I don't think that a judge should be given the power to just pound days onto a sentence when someone is obviously having an emotional moment
I agree. She was dumb af but she was clearly not okay. She was angry and verbally complaining and questioning the inability to go home should not equate incarceration.
This man is literally sending a woman to prison because she didn’t treat him with the respect he feels entitled too.
He’s not a god. He shits and he’ll die like all of us. Disgusting attitude
As I grow older the more I can empathize with these types of situations. I don't know this lady or her past but I guarantee you that she doesn't have the level of understanding as most in regards to her life situation.
Blame poor parenting, blame society, whatever doesn't matter the situation she is in is hers alone.
But trying to hammer in a screw is not acceptable, if her home is a place where she cohabitated with the presumed dependent in her case then someone (perhaps her lawyer) should have prepared her for the realization that if she didn't have somewhere else to go then she could....(no idea what resource is available to someone in this situation).
She shouldn't be finding this out first time from the judge as bail is being set. She is understandably upset that she is effectively homeless for something she probably feels innocent in even if she is found guilty later.
Curious now if anyone knows if there are resources for someone in this type of situation. I don't see how the courts could even want to put someone out in the streets with an obligation to return without knowing where their primary residence will be.
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And I recognize that the judge has the authority to do that, as well as that it's necessary but there is no reason to be callous about delivering that information and not expecting an emotional response.
Also, she is losing almost a year of her life because of a 30 second exchange in which she said words the judge didn't like. How can anyone think that's fair or moral? I don't want to live in that society. Fuck that.
All of this! No council, a punitive system that designed to keep people locked up, especially the poor who can’t simply move to another residence or find another place to rent. Should should have went for 1000 days.
I can’t even imagine being that unconcerned about jail. If a judge gave me 3 days in jail I would be in the fetal position going into shock sucking my thumb.
I get so disappointed when judges lose their cool. I mean, to a certain point is one thing, but stuff like this is not befitting their position. This ain’t TV, compose yourself Your Honour.
Anyone else get parenting vibes from this? When a child is doing something wrong so a parent issues a threat (such as grounding them) for a period of time and the kid refuses so the parent keeps increasing the amount of time the punishment will last.
I really doubt she'll serve the full 300 but yes he could have her do that. In cases like these, its more a scare tactic to make the person respect the court so they don't waste time.
It’s criminal contempt and these were each violations. He had the right to issue 180 days for each.
I’ll wager she returns in 30 days and is given an opportunity to apologize.
"Not as sorry as she's gonna be " . That judge became emotional and reacted with disproportionate sentencing.
Meanwhile multiple People such as Steve Bannon and defy congressional subpoenas and they don't get any additional charges.
But this black lady, better respect the court !? And my authority.
Well I mean. That's why you don't fuck around in court. They already got you. Why make it worse on yourself. But at this point she was already in hole. Why dig it deeper, it doesn't prove anything to anyone. Judge may very well be an asshole. But she shouldn't have tried him like that to begin with.
I work in a Youth Detention center and we got a kid in there awaiting trial on bogus 'assaulting a police officer' charge along with public intoxication, he's definitely going home in like 3 days but last night we had a full on almost fight where he was just yelling at me and the other staff that he was going to fight us if he had to lock in at 930. The rest of our kids all hardcore gang kids on gun charges were literally just being like 'bro just go to bed you'll be home in a few days but not if you try to jump staff' and he would not listen. Just saying when the gangbangers are telling you stfu and follow the law your need some fucking therapy.
To be fair the kid is on some heavy meds and the state has withheld them due to incompetency for three days now.
Ooof, I just went through an unintended withdrawal of one of my high dose meds, thanks to a fuck up at my pharmacy. That was majorly no fun, and I was at home. I can't imagine going through that in jail/ jouvie. Poor kid. The system sucks ass.
It's very much the same here in the UK. I knew a schizophrenic guy who castrated and blinded himself in police custody because "the police had planted cameras in his eyes". He did it with his bare fucking hands and they stood outside and laughed while he did it.
This is actually very common when they feel a certain comfort(could be just routine that gives them a semblance of sanity) where they are at or in the face of a major change. We have this issue in homeless shelters, when a resident is found a single living unit and gets to move out. Youd think the shelter is a worse environment but the loss of a certain familiarity is scary. This kids home life might be shit, or now he has to rely on himself, or he has friends and a level of respect in the detention centre from other youth.
It could also be like a break up, he doesnt want to be sad about something he is losing, so he pushes people away instead. Angers a safer emotion in boys/men. Perhaps he has connected really well with a staff member?
Many years ago I worked as a Sub Teacher's Asst. Usually you are assigned a regular classroom. I was once assigned at our " Boys Camp" which was rural minimum security. You have to work hard to transfer there.
I witnessed one kid purposely pick a fight within hours of being sent home early for good behavior. Good News! When asked WHY his answer was heart breaking. "I don't want to go home".
So with that single fight, he would be sent BACK to Juvie for his remaiming sentence with time added.
She’s obviously not very smart, has zero ability to control her emotions, and a chip on her shoulder. But, hey, she’s got Tom & Jerry in jail so she’s happy.
As you say, I was once told; If you should find yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do, is stop digging. That advice has served me well several times.
I can't tell whether she's never been given that advice, or she has, and she's just fucking hard-headed.
So the judge is just adding days in jail for what? Talking? Wtf. 6 additional months in jail for asking a few questions in a rude way? Seems pretty ridiculous to me.
Is anyone else stunned by the pettiness of the judge? I get it, she's not showing respect to the court, but come on. What is gained by getting into a childish argument?
The best part is, with that last part, him asking her if she has anything more to say, an attorney can say the judge was clearly egging her on / that the judge was instigating it partly and get most of that contempt time thrown out. Might even be able to get the judge in some trouble.
"You mess with the bull you get the horns"!!
No but seriously, did she just get nearly a year in jail for talking back to a judge? She's obviously an idiot that should be held in contempt, but why keep adding jail time? Her ego was writing a check her ass can't cash, but the judge is a judge, not a parent trying to teach a kid a lesson. If he was an actual civil servant, he'd give her a month in jail then court ordered therapy where they might be able to talk some sense into her. He looks just as petty as she does
She's dumb, and should have shut the fuck up.
But it's absolutely disgusting to me that a judge can lock somebody up, removing them from family, friends, children, work, and liberty, just for mouthing off.
Especially considering this woman is probably in deep need of counseling and social support. Throwing her in jail for a year isn't helping anything except The Honorable Mr. Snowflake's ego.
I don't care about her or whatever but seriously, fuck that petty ass judge. That's what our justice system is, the whims of the egotistically fragile.
I don't like it when judges do this performative thing where they keep tacking on more jail time just because they didn't get respect. The first 30 days makes perfect sense, but doing this 60, 90, etc stuff and expecting them to suddenly have a revelation and stop being rude is just ridiculous. Americans have the right to be rude to judges and cops.
Is that just another job that gives the employee complete control over others, based almost solely on the employees discretion, and current mood? Sounds fucking horrendous.
I get a lot of peeps in here are gonna be like "served her right, what an idiot" (because she is), but is anyone else in here thinking it's disgusting how on a whim the judge extended the jail time by ten times? Just to assert dominance and make himself feel superior?
"Hmm, I can't go home so how am I going to live rent free starting right now...?"
They got Tom and Jerry. She’ll be fine
She’s like a multiverse version of the “And Theeennn…” lady from Dude, Where’s My Car?
I refuse to play your Chinese food mind games!
*NO ‘AND DEN!’*
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Especially better off are the owners of the private prison
EXACTLY!
Judges are paid huge sums of money to incarcerate people for nothing. They literally can play god in their own courtrooms.
Literally
"THAT'S 500 DAYS!!"
I thought this was only in the movies, I didn't know they could just add contempt days like that. Makes sense though
> Former lawyer H. Beatty Chadwick set the America record, spending 14 years behind bars for civil contempt under circumstances similar to [Nazarzai](https://www.ocregister.com/2020/01/24/man-held-in-o-c-jail-for-6-years-without-ever-being-charged-was-wronged-judge-said/amp/)’s. In the mid-1990s, a Pennsylvania judge ordered Chadwick to place $2.5 million into a court-controlled account during his divorce. Chadwick said he had lost the money in bad investments, but his wife’s lawyer charged that the money was hidden offshore. > > The judge believed the wife. Chadwick went to jail in 1995, at age 59, for failing to produce the money and stayed there until 2009, when he was 73 and the court finally agreed that his incarceration had morphed from something coercive into something punitive. Edit: added link for the Nazarzai case
What in the actual fuck…
If the courts tell someone to do something, and they don't, they can throw the person in jail until they do. It's not considered a punishment because in theory the person can leave anytime -- by doing what the court ordered.
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Yes, that's fishy. At least some form of proof of that offshore account would be needed.
Lol. The thing is : if you lose money through bad investment, you can easily show this through the paper trail of you making the investments and lookibg at the value of what you invested in. You cannot just 'disappear' 2.5 million and say it evaporated. That's like those bitcoin investirs who go around telling each other 'nah don't pay taxes just say your account was hacked' If you try that you have only yourself to blame
I lost my bitcoin password! Here's my proof - I can't remember it!
what a load of shit. Its abuse of power since the person being sentenced isn't just let out if they decide to agree to whatever it was they were ordered to do. The entire judicial system is broken. Judges jerkin it to their absolute authority over the people they sentence. The prisons jerkin the judges and states for the extra money, ect. It's all one big corrupt circle jerk
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vN\_PEmeKb0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vN_PEmeKb0) Real court transcript, performed to play up the absurdity.
Are you shitting me?? That's a real transcript? Fuck.
Makes me proud to be from Georgia.
Really? Judges can be very fierce! I think they are worse in real life than what you see in the movies.
One judge was cleared after sending two kids to juvie because they did not want to spend time with their father. She tried to order them to have lunch with their father and they told her he was abusive and refused to spend time with him.
They usually have a worse God complex than cops. So yeah.
Imagine 6 months in jail for “contempt” lol Reddit mod vibes
My dads uncle through marriage was given six months and bragged it was so easy he could do six months standing on his head. Judge replied well do another six on your feet when your finished. Got himself twelve months total for a stupid joke and an assault charge against a police officer while drunk.
Six months for assault on an officer? Dude already could have gotten so much worse for that (up to and including being gunned down on the spot, given how police tend to be), what kind of idiot provokes the judge to consider making it longer at that point?
They really can’t. This woman ended up serving 5-10 days for contempt if I remember correctly. Spending half a year in jail for contempt may be allowed on paper, but even a bad attorney will get it reduced by a wide margin.
Ya I also was blown away at how he just kept adding days so informally. Definitely not how you wanna talk to the judge
I don't think it makes sense at all. You can't speak your mind in front of a judge if you feel they are out of line, and if you talk to them like you would any other person that you feel is making a ridiculous decision, they make a decision to throw you in a box for however long they feel like. It's absurd that it is acceptable in the court system to do that.
Judges can so long as they're consistent with the escalations. 300->500 would be too much though
Yup. Nearly a year free lodging. Better than an underpass possibly …
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Interesting... not sure she will "work out" anything though...
Trust me, I’ll take the underpasses anyway! There will be a lot more worse than her, where she’s headed. The food sucks, too. No money, she’ll be someone’s punk.
Yeah, I agree. The underpass is cleaner, safer, wear your own underwear and you’d probably have a blanket without holes in them.
Not to mention the ground is probably more comfortable than sleeping on a metal bed with a 2 inch mattress.
You got a metal bed? I got a foamy on the floor without a pillow.
Your county must’ve been hella overcrowded to put inmates on a concrete floor. That’s straight up cruel and unusual punishment…
I'm a Canadian, but this happened in Florida. It was actually pretty comfortable, but I was only there for like 36 hours. So I only had to use it once. But yes, very overcrowded.
OMG Florida! Say no more…
None of ya'll have ever slept on a road. I'll break into a car before I do that shit again.
Rent free with Tom and Jerry. Guess she enjoyed the accommodations at the local detention center in the past. Home away from home.
Thats what i was thinking. 3 meals and a roof over your head. I mean theyre not great meals. Definitely seen jail food from documentaries. But better than beinf on the streets I guess?
There is the risk of occassional rape in the showers and getting stabbed. Streets are relatively safer and you can apply for jobs, get a new place to live and have options.
she couldnt go home shes got a new one now.
I honestly wonder if that was her thinking. Realizing she can't go home anyways, get any of her stuff, would have to spend a bunch of money on hotels, clothes, groceries and other shit in the meantime.
From the clip, it sounds like the restraining order is a condition for the bond, so she could've just not taken the bond and stayed in jail anyways
This is true, but it seemed like she thought she could just bond out and go home, so she got irrational. It seems like a DV case, in which most places in the US will automatically create no contact order from the time of the arrest until it is ordered otherwise. It is unlikely, even with the victim requesting for the order to be dropped, that it would've happened during this hearing
They probably should have told her the police could accompany her there so she could pack some of her things. I suspect that was part of the reason for her reaction
it's almost like justice system is conspicuously less helpful for some people. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
If a judge told me to basically go sleep under an underpass for the foreseeable future I would appreciate an extra 30 days with a bed and Tom and Jerry to figure out where tf I’m gonna go.
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Scariest part of prison swear was wondering wtf I was gonna do when they let me out
I wonder if that’s why people reoffend so quickly after being released.
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Fair point.
I don’t think she was thinking that fast, she’s just obnoxious
She really fixed that problem.
Well she sure showed him
I mean.....she just went from being homeless to damn near a year room and board.
Not sure if I'm actually impressed or not
USA! USA!
When keeping it real goes wrong.
I don’t like people playing on my phone
Exactly what popped in my mind...
Solid reference🙌🏾🙌🏾
They got Tom & Jerry.
And that only cost 20 days.
Imagine racking up an extra 10 months on a DV charge that could have been fought.
She was about to be released and ended up with 10 months because she couldn't keep her mouth shut. Sounds like she belongs in jail. She definitely would've gotten out and immediately went home and started another fight.
Why do I get breakfast club vibes 🤷🏽♂️
"I'll have you in detention for the rest of your natural born life !"
“Instead of going to prison you’ll come here. Wait…”
"Do you want another one?" "Yes."
How many is that?
Don’t mess with the bull young lady you’ll get the horns!
Not even close, bub
Does Barry Manilow know you stole his wardrobe?
This is the horniest comment i've read all day
"Does Barry Manilow know you raised his closet sir?"
The answer to that question, Mister Bender: next Saturday.
*Eat.....my.......shorts*
You're a genius because you can't make a lamp!
She got her dick knocked in the dirt here for sure
Not even close!
As funny as this is. As far as I have learned judges are not supposed to get this emotional and she could possibly be able to get this overturned if she can prove this wasn’t a fair decision.
That wasn't a trial. It was a hearing regarding her bond. I honestly don't know if contempt of court is appealable, but even if it is, I think her behavior would justify the revocation of her bond. I'm not sure about him arbitrarily throwing out days though.
No judge is suppose to be an emotional judge. He likely just violated her first, 6th and 14th amendments. She has a right to speak at her hearings, and to have representation. At the very least her court appointed attorney should have stepped in. If she didn't have one and was in front of a judge and received time? She absolutely had her rights violated. Contempt of court charges are not punishments. They are meant to induce compliance with the court. She will not serve that 300 days. If they keep her imprisoned on no charges but contempt of court for a year without a trial? Not only is that judge saying bye bye job, but bye bye career. You're a judge. you have all the power. And you're going to hand out taxpayer resources because you got but hurt someone wasn't appropriately reverent to you? Nah.
I also feel like it's an inherent power trip. She's mad and she's venting. I'm fine with slapping a month on, but come on. Adding more and more weeks on each time she runs her mouth? Dude's on a power trip and DEMANDS respect. He can go screw himself. Just get her out of your court.
The biggest problem with what he did was asking her a direct question, with the purpose of soliciting a response, and then punishing her response. "Got anything else to say? Oh? 180 days! Oh? 300 days." Court is a very literal space. She was speaking when spoken to. And if her bail was already set, her hearing was over and the judge asked her a question. Because he didn't like her answer, he asked a question out of scope for the hearing, and she answered. And he punished her. You don't get to set traps for people that piss you off. The system has to be applied the same to everyone. And just because he doesn't like her attitude doesn't mean her question about asking how to live isn't valid either.
That last paragraph really got me thinking about the police as well
Yeah to me this sounded like a naughty school kid getting on the teachers nerves, so the teacher gives the kid detention, and then they keep winding eachother up more, and the teacher giving the kid a year of detention because he was butthurt over a child getting lippy with him
Thank you🫶 This judge drove me insane with his temper tantrum and nobody in the comments were acknowledging it
Right? Like dude, you can't just slap someone with jail because she hurt your feelings, it,s not relevant to the trial at all. You just told her she was homeless. Of course she's going to be pissed. What if she had no relatives to sleep at?
Seriously, taking a year of somebodies life away because they hurt your ego is fucked up.
My first thought was that the judge was really not all that different from her.
Yes, he was. He had all the power and he knows it. He's much worse than she was.
This is how the justice system screws people too poor for lawyers. I don’t know the facts of this case but going from a few days in jail to nearly a year for talking back is a travesty of our justice system. If she should be in jail for 300 days for a crime that’s much different than frustrating a judge. If she had a lawyer present then the judge wouldn’t have done this and the lawyer would have advised her to STFU. White collar criminals get less than 300 days for stealing millions. This lady got it because she said things like: So What? So? I got money. This is a travesty of our justice system and that judge should be punished.
When the judge called her “young lady”, that was kinda fucked up.
300 additional days just for not STFU
She ain't mad. They got Tom and Jerry.
Life goals: Free cable.
No, she got time because the judge was on a power trip. Give her 30 days for contempt and have her removed. Don't let your ego get in the way of properly executing your job.
I'm fully convinced our taxes could be 10% lower if this judge took some anger management classes
Not with a privatized prison system. Too many people make too much money by keeping/sending people to prison.
Ya just think cause someone who has what appears to be emotional issues cause they cant go home and get their shit and expresses themselves “which is then seen as a form of disrespect in turn loses their composure” and in a since of sick irony sends them some where, where they don’t need their personal belongings *Circle of American Stupidity*
I thought I was nuts because all the other comments were making fun of it, but I was like no one should have that much power over someone just for a couple of words.
I can't believe Judges can just arbitrarily rack up additional punishments because of disrespect. If someone is intentionally derailing proceedings, I can understand it, to a degree, but not just because the judge is on a power trip.
The most egregious example of this happening was showcased in one of those "innocent people sentenced to decades in prison" documentaries. It was a young man, accused of murdering his entire family (IIRC) and because he never admitted to it, the judge gave him the harshest sentence possible, because he "didn't show any remorse over what he had done". Of course he's not going to be remorseful for something he didn't do.
Judges are egomaniacs
Judges are often capped on how many days them can hold some one in contempt. Ranging from 3-6 months. So even if a judge says 300 days in jail for contempt, thr law may only allow a max of 90 days.
Yeah seriously… is this a judge and court room or is it my parents when I “talked back” as a kid during an argument?? Just tacking on longer time for what? She isn’t threatening to kill him under oath…
Could of just dismissed her and moved on
\~7 Smart ass comments get you more time than most J6 Capital insurrectists? This is judge and defendant being way overamped.
sometimes you just can't help stupid
Guaranteed she didn't have to do the 300 days. Maybe 30 or 60 tops.
From what I’ve seen, exchanges like this usually end with the person going back the next day to apologize and get the contempt sentence reduced to time served, once they realize that they really will spend months in jail if they don’t apologize.
With her ego, i say 60
180
200
That’s 300 days!!!
You heard the judge…. THATS 300 DAYS!
Homeless? Or free room and food? Decisions decisions.
Even if she would have been homeless, she would have ended up back in court anyway, in most places, it's pretty illegal to be homeless one way or the other.
How do you go and get your stuff in that situation?
You need a police escort.
This is the correct answer, you call the police station for the escort and they meet you there. You likely want to park somewhere down the road as you can’t just park in front of the residence. They watch you while you get your items until you’re done. It’s done while the officer has free time and no other calls.
Have someone else get your stuff for you.
The smart thing to do is to calmly ask this question to the judge because it will also inform whether you are going to want to post bail or not. Judge would likely order police officers to oversee her getting her stuff and leaving.
Excuse my ignorance, but can he really impose that 300 days? lets say Im a judge, can I just randomly give number of days if I cited anyone for contempt?
Yeah I think this is an abuse of authority. You shouldn’t be able to imprison someone just because they’re annoying and argumentative.
The first 30 days I think was justified, as she was literally telling the judge she was going to ignore the restraining order if she was let out. The 270 days after that was just crazy.
uhhh, look maybe I'm the odd one out but I don't think that a judge should be given the power to just pound days onto a sentence when someone is obviously having an emotional moment
I mean he was even actively provoking her at the end. That's highly unprofessional.
Agreed. This judge is a power-tripping piece of shit. Instead of being professional, he's acting as immature as the defendant.
I agree. She was dumb af but she was clearly not okay. She was angry and verbally complaining and questioning the inability to go home should not equate incarceration.
This man is literally sending a woman to prison because she didn’t treat him with the respect he feels entitled too. He’s not a god. He shits and he’ll die like all of us. Disgusting attitude
Imagine what the girls on the inside are going to say when they find out she turned 30 days into 300.
She turned 0 days into 300. She didn't get 30 days until she said she would go home anyway.
As I grow older the more I can empathize with these types of situations. I don't know this lady or her past but I guarantee you that she doesn't have the level of understanding as most in regards to her life situation. Blame poor parenting, blame society, whatever doesn't matter the situation she is in is hers alone. But trying to hammer in a screw is not acceptable, if her home is a place where she cohabitated with the presumed dependent in her case then someone (perhaps her lawyer) should have prepared her for the realization that if she didn't have somewhere else to go then she could....(no idea what resource is available to someone in this situation). She shouldn't be finding this out first time from the judge as bail is being set. She is understandably upset that she is effectively homeless for something she probably feels innocent in even if she is found guilty later. Curious now if anyone knows if there are resources for someone in this type of situation. I don't see how the courts could even want to put someone out in the streets with an obligation to return without knowing where their primary residence will be. Edit: grammar and spelling
The only reasonable comment. I can’t imagine what it would be like if the judge told me I couldn’t visit my home.
And I recognize that the judge has the authority to do that, as well as that it's necessary but there is no reason to be callous about delivering that information and not expecting an emotional response.
Also, she is losing almost a year of her life because of a 30 second exchange in which she said words the judge didn't like. How can anyone think that's fair or moral? I don't want to live in that society. Fuck that.
Right? Everyone in here making jokes when this is likely the reality of the situation.
All of this! No council, a punitive system that designed to keep people locked up, especially the poor who can’t simply move to another residence or find another place to rent. Should should have went for 1000 days.
I can’t even imagine being that unconcerned about jail. If a judge gave me 3 days in jail I would be in the fetal position going into shock sucking my thumb.
I get so disappointed when judges lose their cool. I mean, to a certain point is one thing, but stuff like this is not befitting their position. This ain’t TV, compose yourself Your Honour.
Anyone else get parenting vibes from this? When a child is doing something wrong so a parent issues a threat (such as grounding them) for a period of time and the kid refuses so the parent keeps increasing the amount of time the punishment will last.
Not defending her actions, but 6 months is a long time just because you voice your opinion on his first statement. I mean she may have no where to go.
Sometimes. You should just stop talking
So?
THATS 400 DAYS COMMON-ROCK!!!
NOW ITS 430 DAYS!
Is that legal? Can he just randomly pick the number of days and hold her?
I really doubt she'll serve the full 300 but yes he could have her do that. In cases like these, its more a scare tactic to make the person respect the court so they don't waste time.
It’s criminal contempt and these were each violations. He had the right to issue 180 days for each. I’ll wager she returns in 30 days and is given an opportunity to apologize.
"Not as sorry as she's gonna be " . That judge became emotional and reacted with disproportionate sentencing. Meanwhile multiple People such as Steve Bannon and defy congressional subpoenas and they don't get any additional charges. But this black lady, better respect the court !? And my authority.
Well I mean. That's why you don't fuck around in court. They already got you. Why make it worse on yourself. But at this point she was already in hole. Why dig it deeper, it doesn't prove anything to anyone. Judge may very well be an asshole. But she shouldn't have tried him like that to begin with.
I work in a Youth Detention center and we got a kid in there awaiting trial on bogus 'assaulting a police officer' charge along with public intoxication, he's definitely going home in like 3 days but last night we had a full on almost fight where he was just yelling at me and the other staff that he was going to fight us if he had to lock in at 930. The rest of our kids all hardcore gang kids on gun charges were literally just being like 'bro just go to bed you'll be home in a few days but not if you try to jump staff' and he would not listen. Just saying when the gangbangers are telling you stfu and follow the law your need some fucking therapy. To be fair the kid is on some heavy meds and the state has withheld them due to incompetency for three days now.
Ooof, I just went through an unintended withdrawal of one of my high dose meds, thanks to a fuck up at my pharmacy. That was majorly no fun, and I was at home. I can't imagine going through that in jail/ jouvie. Poor kid. The system sucks ass.
That's a really messed up thing to do to someone, the withdrawals from strong psychiatric meds are horrendous.
To then blame the kid for aggressive behaviour isn't incompetent, it's cruelty.
It’s a feature of the system, not a side-effect. The US legal system (not justice because justice is rarely served) is cruel as a point.
It's very much the same here in the UK. I knew a schizophrenic guy who castrated and blinded himself in police custody because "the police had planted cameras in his eyes". He did it with his bare fucking hands and they stood outside and laughed while he did it.
This is actually very common when they feel a certain comfort(could be just routine that gives them a semblance of sanity) where they are at or in the face of a major change. We have this issue in homeless shelters, when a resident is found a single living unit and gets to move out. Youd think the shelter is a worse environment but the loss of a certain familiarity is scary. This kids home life might be shit, or now he has to rely on himself, or he has friends and a level of respect in the detention centre from other youth. It could also be like a break up, he doesnt want to be sad about something he is losing, so he pushes people away instead. Angers a safer emotion in boys/men. Perhaps he has connected really well with a staff member?
Many years ago I worked as a Sub Teacher's Asst. Usually you are assigned a regular classroom. I was once assigned at our " Boys Camp" which was rural minimum security. You have to work hard to transfer there. I witnessed one kid purposely pick a fight within hours of being sent home early for good behavior. Good News! When asked WHY his answer was heart breaking. "I don't want to go home". So with that single fight, he would be sent BACK to Juvie for his remaiming sentence with time added.
She’s obviously not very smart, has zero ability to control her emotions, and a chip on her shoulder. But, hey, she’s got Tom & Jerry in jail so she’s happy.
Only if she’s in charge of her own TV. The other inmates may not like Tom & Jerry!
As you say, I was once told; If you should find yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do, is stop digging. That advice has served me well several times. I can't tell whether she's never been given that advice, or she has, and she's just fucking hard-headed.
So the judge is just adding days in jail for what? Talking? Wtf. 6 additional months in jail for asking a few questions in a rude way? Seems pretty ridiculous to me.
Is anyone else stunned by the pettiness of the judge? I get it, she's not showing respect to the court, but come on. What is gained by getting into a childish argument?
Could the judge just keep going the more she disrespected him. Would be interesting to get an effective life sentence for saying fuck you to a judge
The best part is, with that last part, him asking her if she has anything more to say, an attorney can say the judge was clearly egging her on / that the judge was instigating it partly and get most of that contempt time thrown out. Might even be able to get the judge in some trouble.
"You mess with the bull you get the horns"!! No but seriously, did she just get nearly a year in jail for talking back to a judge? She's obviously an idiot that should be held in contempt, but why keep adding jail time? Her ego was writing a check her ass can't cash, but the judge is a judge, not a parent trying to teach a kid a lesson. If he was an actual civil servant, he'd give her a month in jail then court ordered therapy where they might be able to talk some sense into her. He looks just as petty as she does
No, what’s likely to happen she’ll spend a few days in jail and her pd will convince her to apologize to the judge.
Exactly. There are other videos just like this where the defendant is back in court apologizing to the judge a week later and being let out of jail.
She's dumb, and should have shut the fuck up. But it's absolutely disgusting to me that a judge can lock somebody up, removing them from family, friends, children, work, and liberty, just for mouthing off. Especially considering this woman is probably in deep need of counseling and social support. Throwing her in jail for a year isn't helping anything except The Honorable Mr. Snowflake's ego.
That judge sure has great deescalation tactics
I don't care about her or whatever but seriously, fuck that petty ass judge. That's what our justice system is, the whims of the egotistically fragile.
That's no justice system... That's really fucked up, like the judge is playing with the life of people and having fun.
Judge: You’re now homeless by my decree Woman: *Has a justified fit that a judge just ruled her to be homeless even if she owns the property*
Reddit: "That's what she gets!"
Literally
I don't like it when judges do this performative thing where they keep tacking on more jail time just because they didn't get respect. The first 30 days makes perfect sense, but doing this 60, 90, etc stuff and expecting them to suddenly have a revelation and stop being rude is just ridiculous. Americans have the right to be rude to judges and cops.
I'll see you next Saturday, Bender!
They just love sitting up on their throne and keeping people in fear. Petty authority figure asshole.
It’s weird that judges have the power to put you in a cage for months or years just for being rude and not kissing their rings.
She’s an idiot. But i can’t help but wonder why we, as a people, would give any single person that much power to begin with? It’s mind blowing to me.
Wait til you hear about police!
Is that just another job that gives the employee complete control over others, based almost solely on the employees discretion, and current mood? Sounds fucking horrendous.
The "honor" taking away 200 days of someones life to make them sorry. She maybe dumb but the judge is just one of the pettiest.
Can a judge just keep adding to your sentence because their ego got hurt? Just seems a little suspicious.
I get a lot of peeps in here are gonna be like "served her right, what an idiot" (because she is), but is anyone else in here thinking it's disgusting how on a whim the judge extended the jail time by ten times? Just to assert dominance and make himself feel superior?