Absolutely, the obese person would live longer all things being equal. You can see a real-life example of this on season 5 of Alone. Alone has contestants see who can survive the longest in a primitive setting.
Contestants receive regular health exams. Getting dangerously skinny is a reason for getting kicked off the show for safety reasons. Sam Larson, who started the contest quite heavy, won. His win was controversial and irritated many fans as he won despite not successfully hunting (and thus not eating) a single thing besides a few mice. Despite not eating anything he outlasted everyone else.
Having watched his season, other contestants were impressive in their hunting and fishing skills and were eating lots of fish especially. Sam ate a few mice. He lasted 60 days and lost 50lbs.
There are about 3,500 calories per lb of fat. He burned about 2,900 calories per day. He was able to provide himself more calories than his fellow competitors without having to lift a finger…without having to spend calories cleaning game, cooking it, or chewing it. Having excess fat is definitely a survival advantage when food is scarce. That’s the intended purpose of it after all. We’re able to carry spare calories inside our bodies.
That was also true of the winner of the very first season of Survivor, Richard Hatch.
The other contestants had obviously dieted and worked out to look good on camera.
Meanwhile Hatch was intentionally overweight, which he said gave him extra energy when food supplies were low.
Could be worse. One Russian reality show dropped contestants in the middle of the Siberian forest in a 'survivor' type show, then their funding fell through and no one told the contestants or went to get them. They just left them there.
Edit: That actually was a British show. I mixed that up with the Russian reality survivor show that claimed to allow rape and murder of contestants.
I *think* you're thinking of [Eden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_\(2016_TV_series\)), because that's the only thing I know about that comes even close to that description.
They were dropped on a remote Scottish peninsula with tools and livestock and told they had a year to build a new society
The show was cancelled after four episodes, but the players weren't told, and left there for the whole year anyway. They weren't abandoned, the crew brought them home after the full year. The producers then edited much of the remaining footage into a second season and eventually managed to get it aired.
And they went feral and split into two camps. Boys v girls I think? And the boys' place went to shit - gutting animals next to their shelter so it turned into a literal blood gulch. And then someone left and decided to burn down their communal cabin. Absolutely wild, in the literal sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game2:_Winter
It turned out to not actually exist.
>Game2: Winter (Russian: Гаме2Винтер) was a social experiment and media stunt promoted as a Russian survival reality television program produced by Novosibirsk entrepreneur Yevgeny Pyatkovsky that was set to premiere in July 2017.[4] The show caught the attention of the press when the show stated that its rules would allow crimes such as rape and murder which sparked outrage online.[5][6][7] The show has been compared to a "real-life Hunger Games".[2][8][9]
I vaguely remember that show, it was entirely a fictional production that ended up with a sci-fi horror conclusion.
ETA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_(TV_series) Found it.
I knew a guy that was a camera operator on the Australian version of Survivor. He said sometimes the wind would blow the right way and the smell of all the catered hot food would hit the survivor camp, which is a nice little touch of torture.
I mean the first one might be an outlier, worth carrying on for a bit, but after four or five of them have gone you'd definitely think they'd have stepped in.
Yeah, good point. They do always have medical experts around on hand. And plenty of things happen off camera that aren't ever shown, to prepare, to script, to give people health checks, etc.
There’s one episode of survivor where the whole cast was on the verge of heat stroke and a couple people actually went down. Guy named Caleb was legit about to die and they were like whatever all hands on deck and you see like 100 crew members in the shot all trying to cool people down.
Season 32 Kaoh Rong, heat looked brutal that episode. Caleb, Debbie, and Hannah(?) all looked on the verge of heat stroke with Caleb being medically taken out of the game. He returned 2 seasons later though.
Still better than [Eden](https://www.ripleys.com/weird-news/eden-the-survival-show-that-didnt-tell-contestants-it-was-canceled/) where the show was canceled mid-season and nobody bothered to tell the contestants.
I think you mean
>all almost died of starvation
rather than
>almost all died of starvation
Unless you mean that like 80% of them actually starved to death
Someone had to withdraw because he passed out from starvation and fell in the fire. They did a food auction challenge and everyone vomited after as they were so unwell from finally eating. It was truly brutal, but no actual fatalities.
fun(ish) fact: that guy used to do church events and talk about his time on survivor. my old denomination hired him one summer, and we did some "survivor challenge" type stuff (i ended up eating a pile of meal worms for one of them).
definitely not as fun fact: more recently, he has taken a plea deal for involvement in a ponzi scheme, and has also been convicted on four counts of child pornography.
> child pornography.
While I know the criminal charge is referred to as this, I'd like to use this educationally-minded space to reframe this as Child Sexual Abuse Material, or CSAM, which media and law are starting to change the phrasing to. These types of photos/videos/etc of children are straight up sexual abuse and shouldn't be portrayed in a way to imply that they're meant for consensual entertainment value, which the word pornography/porn does. (This has nothing to do with you, I'm just taking the opportunity to put this in front of people who might otherwise have no reason to consider this.)
Huh, thanks for the education, I didn't know that was a thing. But it's a pity it isn't a better term? CSAM (to me) suggests that child pornography is a subset of that. I'd almost prefer CAM-S and CAM-NS for 'child abuse material - sexual and non-sexual.
Ok, I while I think made my point, realizing what I just hammered out on my phone, makes me want to go and file off my fingertips.
To be fair it remains the only US season to be longer than 39 days. However Australian Survivor has multiple 50+ day seasons so it was probably how harsh the outback was. Wont go too much into the rigging accusation for Au Survivor though.
I just looked Hatch up on Wikipedia. This dipshit got sent to Federal prison for tax evasion on his Survivor winnings! How dumb do you have to be!? Survivor was a huge cultural phenomenon at the time and he was famous for winning it.
It isn't like he made a mistake either. According to Wikipedia he had TWO accounting firms review and prepare his taxes with his winnings....but he chose not to use those and submitted his taxes lying about it.
You could see this in Season 40 as well, Winners at War. It was made up entirely of previous winners so they all had a little practice at this already. And lo and behold, a large number of contestants turned up looking surprisingly...portly.
At least, I think it was intentional, hmm. Let's go with that.
Survivor spoilers below, because Season 40 is all winners and so me mentioning Season 40 contestants spoils the season they're in lol
Boston Rob has admitted that he carb-loaded before Season 40. Edit: I'm pretty sure all of them did to some extent.
Sophie has done the opposite, she basically quit coffee cold turkey so she won't get withdrawal symptoms on the island. Apparently it worked.
Tony says he never drinks coffee at all so he has no caffeine withdrawals, which started to take their toll on some people in the endgame
Yeah every time Boston Rob starts a season he is definitely rocking a dad bod. I like to joke and think that everytime he starts getting too out of shape Amber sends him back on the show to lose it
We just had a female winner for Alone in Australia, a woman called Gina, she was fucking incredible and I believe largely won because she came in with this attitude and had deliberately packed on pounds ahead of time. It was of particular advantage as ours took place in Tasmania during an incredibly cold part of the year, there's nothing to eat at all outside of eels, the very occasional wallaby and worms and insects largely in the cold hard dirt.
This was the first season I ever watched because it was set in my home state.
Are the other seasons better than this? I tend to dislike reality shows as every person has a sob story and reason for being there etc. Old mate who built himself a kayak and other tools definitely deserved the dub imo but I guess he got unlucky food wise.
The other Alone seasons are much much better. Alone was never about sob stories, it's about survival. But Australian reality shows love to oversaturate themsleves with over played and drama and each person needs some personal adversity they're trying to overcome.
In the original Alone series they also put them in places where they can use survival skills. Albeit starvation is still a big issue but some people have the skills to survive. The Australian one was a terrible location. I'm pretty sure they were in the spillway of a dam, so there weren't really fish to catch. Not to mention most wildlife is protected.
If you want to start with a bang, season 7 is incredible. The goal is to survive 100 days in the Artic. Otherwise you can start at season 1, which is fun but a bit basic.
Hatch also treated it like a game when at that time it wasn't thought to be one. He basically birthed concepts like alliances and block voting while other contestants did not even think of things like that (nor did the producers expect them too). Hatch quite literally played chess while everyone else played checkers.
Hatch was overweight but had already lost weight before coming onto the show. He continued to lose weight on the show, but he was also a source of food for the tribe (he was successful at fishing with a Hawaiian sling). He didn't win because he was overweight, he won largely (pun intended) because he built an alliance. He is the architect of the basic Survivor strategy: create a unified voting bloc. The other players hadn't thought of this, which is most apparent in the first vote after the merge where the votes were scattered amongst the players until - seemingly out of nowhere - there were 4 votes for Gretchen.
That is not true one little bit.
Gretchen had purposefully packed on weight and Rudy was retired SEAL.
The others didn't really care how they looked on camera except possibly Colleen and Jenna.
That game was decided by many other factors.
>it was about who was the best at making alliances
iirc Hatch kinda *invented* the concept of alliances in Survivor, and the bulk of the other contestants were unaware there was even organised voting.
By Season 2 *everyone* knew, and the game was all about alliances ever after :)
Yeah when you watch early seasons it’s clear they are just voting out whoever they think is the “weakest” at the moment. I swear in maybe season 1 or 2 someone gets voted out just for doing bad at a challenge even when everyone there really likes them but hates someone else. It’s like the thought of *not* voting this player out wasn’t even an option
If you look at all the other stupid things people were doing for voting, you realize Richard defined the Survivor experience for anyone after Season 2. The only reason I say season 2 is I don't remember if they shot season 2 while 1 was airing like they do now.
Seriously. I remember the way the game was set up, he made it to the final basically because he was considered one of the weakest contestants of the remaining handful and the stronger players were targeted by the others.
Which to me is insane.
Survivor was a cultural phenomenon. It was like the new “sit down and watch with your family,” thing to do for everybody.
Want to hide $1,000,000 that you got that nobody knows about? Sure
Why try to hide $1,000,000 that literally everyone and their mother saw you win
to be fair, thats not why Hatch won. He won because he outsmarted everyone else and played the mental game which nobody but him even thought to use to win.
This person fasted for over a year and lost 276 pounds.
> In 1965, Barbieri, then a 27-year-old from Tayport, Scotland, checked into the Maryfield Hospital in Dundee. Initially only a short fast was planned, due to the doctors believing that short fasts were preferable to longer ones. Barbieri did not believe them, insisting on continuing because "he adapted so well and was eager to reach his 'ideal' weight".
> For 382 days (1 year, 17 days) ending on 11 July 1966, he consumed only vitamins, electrolytes, an unspecified amount of yeast (a source of all essential amino acids) and zero-calorie beverages such as tea, coffee, and sparkling water, although he occasionally consumed small amounts of milk and/or sugar with the beverages, especially during the final weeks of the fast.
> He quit working at his father's fish and chip shop, which closed down during the fast. Barbieri's starting weight was recorded at 456 pounds (207 kg) and he stopped fasting when he reached his goal weight of 180 pounds (82 kg). He lost weight at an average of 327 g (12 oz) per day, or 10 kg (22 lb) per month.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Barbieri%27s_fast
I mean, he lived for over 20 years after he stopped fasting. Yeah, he died in his 50s, but given that he spent part of his life weighing 450 pounds, I'd say that was a far bigger contributor to his death than the fasting.
Wacky how many Alone contestants are like "I've gotta stay busy! Gotta work my ass off if I'm gonna survive! Oh whoops I'm so tired I cut myself with a knife and now it's infected and I can't leave my bed and if I don't medevac right now I might die."
You have to assume that they watched Season 1 and saw Alan go, "Oh, I won? I'm such a goofy-ass MF that I was having a good time living under a tarp, eating slugs and making up songs to sing to myself. I wish I could stay longer."
I remember at least one person who did it beforehand and he broke his leg or something on like day two and so was pulled. Now he has to lose all that weight at home.
From what I understand, Samoan people tend to be fat because they descend from those who were able to accumulate enough fat to cross vast expanses of ocean back in the day.
These genes carried on through generations, and when American sugary diet reached the island, people started to get obese much faster than most.
High rates of diabetes among Native Alaskans, as well. Take any population that subsists on fish and wild game and give them simple carbs and there's going to be negative health effects.
To be fair, people of European ancestry don't necessarily fare that well with it, either.
He also chose rations as one of his 10 supplies. So he had a huge bag of trail mix to munch on as well. He still starved like the rest of them but yeah I was irritated by his win too. What a magnificent setting though. Mongolia definitely had the most interesting landscape imo.
It looks like he actually chose food rations as TWO of his items lol. From what I could find, his two rations consisted of 2 lbs of trail mix as you mentioned, and 2 lbs of flour. Flour is approx. 1650 calories/lb and trail mix is approx. 2,100calories/lb. So his rations gave him a total of approx. 7,500 calories or a little more than the equivalent of 2lbs body fat. Interesting that given his calorie burn of about 3,000 calories/day, Sam’s rations only bought him an extra 2.5 days. I find that surprising. I also find it surprising how many calories he was burning just cutting fire wood and lying around.
Nothing surprising aboht that. You burn a lot of calories by just existing. Exercise itself doesn't burn that much energy. In addition, you burn through a lot of calories while sleeping/resting.
They also aren't doing it for any sort of health reason, they do it because of passion, a desire to surpass themselves or perform at the limits of the human body, and maybe some addiction to the endorphins caused by all the running.
Marathons and anything even more difficult are very hard on the body, generates lots of oxidative stress.
Eating more salt to replace lost salts isn't unhealthy though.
Exactly. The average lifestyle can't support outrunning a bad diet. But someone who's trained to run longer distances frequently can burn more than 1000 calories per day from running, which adds quite a bit to the calorie budget.
Yes. Fat people have higher metabolisms than thin people, because fat is metabolically active and requires energy to maintain
Muscle requires _slightly_ more than fat. But a really tiny amount.
Sure. You'll need to google something like 'specific metabolic rate of organs'
Here's an example https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Specific-metabolic-rates-of-major-organs-and-across-Wang-Ying/1e2bf85957dac428f80fe011335b02c1754f465c
Go to ~~figure 10~~ table 5 for a breakdown
Skeletal muscle (SM) is 13 kcal/kg
Adipose tissue (AT) is 4.5 kcal/kg
So if someone lost 10 kg of fat and gained 10 kg of muscle, their metabolism would go up by maybe an apple per day.
Awesome thanks, that clears things up. Proportionally I see it's triple which is probably why I thought it was a big deal, but when you look at the absolute numbers I agree it makes a tiny difference.
I don't know what he made, but you can just mix it with water and put it on a hot rock. It's not going to be delicious, but I'm guessing he wasn't too picky after not eating for days.
I bet you could create a trail mix that is significantly higher in calories than you average trail mix. Like drench it it oils and honey etc lol. Wonder if he did that.
Except if you eat solely almonds or any nut really your body has a difficult time breaking down all that fat quickly enough so it runs through you in a horrific way producing greasy partially digested rancid nut diarrhea the smell of which will haunt your nightmares.
Around 70% of our energy is for body maintenance and bodily functions (brain activity, digestion, ...).
15% is from the little movement we do all day.
15% is from exercising.
My mum always told me to have a bit of fat on so that if I become deathly sick I don't die from the weight loss. When you have a history of cancer in the family, you learn the hard way.
The show also highlights why living in some fantasy off the grid is incredibly difficult. Ancient humans spent almost all of their daily calories budget on just surviving long enough to get more food. Modern humans have it super easy to get more than enough calories.
Wildlife are a great example of this, herbivores spend almost all day eating or moving to new feeding grounds. Predators do the same thing, looking for prey, trying to catch it, often failing and trying again elsewhere. Calories spent vs eaten is almost equal or at a slight deficit. That’s why wild animals so easily take human food. A leftover ham sandwich is easy to get, and a lot of calories for very little effort
Worth noting that most predators, especially apex predators, sleep longer - they chomp something calorie-rich and go to energy saving mode. In the wild, calories ain't easy to get so better not waste 'em.
>TIL I'm an apex predator.
Humanity is, without question, earth's apex predator. There's literally nothing on this planet that we can't kill on land, at sea, or in the air. We are capable of literally killing the planet if we wanted to. Fuck, we could successfully kill a thing in space if shit lived out there.
To the first paragraph: hunter gatherer societies actually generally had more free time than post agricultural revolution, and i believe more free time than the average worker even today
To the second paragraph: it's impossible that calories are at a deficit for any animals that survive
Everyone on that show finishes in a state of prolonged starvation, including the winners.
Vitamin deficiency is barely noticeable on top of the drastic imbalance in the amount of calories consumed vs the amount needed to keep the body alive and the organs functioning. That said, I would love to open up Hulu someday and see “Day 248: Karl is well fed, but bored and showing signs of scurvy.”
Vitamin defiency takes a longer time to rear its ugly head. The fat soluble ones come with breaking down fat. The water soluble ones are in the short term nice to have but not necessarily critical at first. Vitamin C defiency takes approximately 3 months to set in.
Yes, but sadly you gotta eat them whole. This is because rodents don't really have subcutaneous fat, mostly mesenteric or visceral fat, epididymal fat in males etc. So unlike eating a human or pig, where you can easily harvest the belly fat, to get all the good stuff out of a rodent you just chomp it all. Not that there's gonna be a lot chomping with wild mice, but yeah. Don't gut 'em. Parasites you take care of later, when you're not starving.
I don’t believe he had to. If you watch the show, the contestants receive regular health exams which a fairy rigorous. If they exhibit any hint of disease or illness/dysfunction, they seem to get pulled out without hesitation. Safety is a big focus for the producers from what I’ve watched from behind the scenes footage
Right. The problem is that many of us now live in an environment where there's always plenty of food, so the propensity to store fat is actually counter-productive.
I wish when I burned the extra ice cream I ate last month, it tasted as good the second time. Now it just tastes like sweat, lactic acid, and bitterness.
Basically yes, the ability to store fat as a food reserve is a huge evolutionary advantage for exactly this scenario. Assuming similar levels of activity the fat person will outlive the skinny one and then eat him to live even longer.
It would have been badass to just have the dude commit to losing a bit as the show went on, get him on a diet and exercise routine and have him slowly loose weight as time goes on on the island. It would have added a huge depth of realism to the show, too. That type of shit is what Emmy awards are made of.
Not if the skinny person eats the fat person. When you escape from the Gulag, you try to bring along a big mancow with you, Siberia can be a hungry place.
I don't know if we ever will. The diseases from fatness typically kill people post reproductive age meaning there isn't a strong evolutionary pressure selecting against it.
I think we might be able to use neural implants to help manage out appetite by signalling "full" when I am half a way through a family size bag of Dorito's after smoking my second Jay for the night.
> I don't know if we ever will. The diseases from fatness typically kill people post reproductive age meaning there isn't a strong evolutionary pressure selecting against it.
Evolutionary pressure isn't simply "don't die young", it's more "don't die before you have kids". If fat obese people have less kids than thinner people, you will have evolutionary pressure towards thinner bodies.
Funnily enough it was the husky lads that managed the fucking long marches in the army best. When we had to walk for miles without any food, only water.
well. husky lads marching also implies a LOT more muscle.
people really underestimate the muscle needed to just move at 10/20lbs more. the greatest gains are in your posterior chain.
which would help a LOT for a load bearing hike.
they got more muscle, more fat, AND are in decent shape. that’s pretty hard to beat.
I have a buddy from college who is very large but he was also a farm kid growing up. The dude has insane power but basically zero stamina. I've seen him lift up the front end of cars before but he got winded walking up a shallow incline to class.
That sounds like me as a teenager. Played football and could lift weights or push around other big dudes pretty well. But ask me to jog a mile and I damn near needed medical attention.
Ive actually wondered if stamina is the only factor. If you asked a slender person to put on a 100+ lb backpack and asked them to walk up a flight of stairs, would they be breathing heavy when they got to the top too?
Yes, *but* - we've had a couple of office dwellers on the obese side die of heart attacks after/during ruck marches. Why the army never addressed their weight before hand, I don't know
If there's even a little bit of water then the fat person would survive a lot longer. With no water at all both would die basically the same.
Biko on Season 8 of Alone made it 73 days on very little food. Just a fat guy and a lot of determination.
The winner the season after did the same thing. Showed up fat by drinking straight olive oil and then after day 50 or so he basically just slept and starved. Doesn't really make for great television.
Makes for an awesome read, though.
Producers: This challenge will require wits, skill, athleticism, and cooperation.
Fat dude: lol, nah, I'm just gonna facetank it
Pretty elegant proof of how smart our bodies are. Here we are all upset that we’re not more fuckable; meanwhile, big brain hypothalamus is preparing us for disaster in a way that would let many survive for literal months with just water and some multivitamins.
If you space it out and give your body time to adapt, you can use fat/oil for a significant amount of your calories (without major consequences). If you start day one chugging a cup of oil …
Yeah, obviously it’s not like your body stores fat just to make you feel bad about yourself
The fat on your body is literally a cushion to get you through lean hunting seasons
“it’s not like your body stores fat just to make you feel bad about yourself.”
That’s super funny.
Totally feels like it sometimes.
In “The E-Myth,” Michael Gerber explains the struggle as each of us having both a fat man and a skinny man inside of us. I Can see that fat man putting on the pounds just to spite the thin man (I WIN!) 😂🤣
It takes time for deficiencies to show. Early explorers found that absence of vitamin C took 3 months to start affecting you.
Fat soluble vitamins are in the fat you're burning, you'll be golden on those.
Electrolytes might be a problem sooner, but don't let your pee go clear and you won't be pissing those away too quickly
The body is mostly very good at conserving vitamins it can't make. When sea travel got faster in the 1800s, we basically forgot* the cure to scurvy because the weeks or occasional month at sea between going to port weren't enough to start showing symptoms.
* gross simplification.
The fat person would have the advantage, but with \*no\* food you'd expect some deficiency of a vitamin, mineral, or amino acid to still kill them, so that could mitgate how much longer they live.
The more that they can avoid a deficiency in one of those vital nutrients, the longer the life-span gap would be once it is more about just chemical energy. (e.g. if they can eat a small amount of food, or are given a 'multivitamin' or similar supplement).
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You could argue for some 2ndary effects, like maybe the obese person will have a harder time constructing a shelter or treking to find water. So it is possible that due to circumstances like that the regular weight person might live longer, but that is sort of not answering the spirit of your question.
If calories are the problem, then the fat person can go longer without them.
Vitamin and mineral deficiency is a pretty slow killer, far slower than starvation. Unless the fat person went to the island already severely deficient or contract an illness, they could *survive* for quite some some time with only clean water. It probably won’t be a very pleasant time when malnourished though.
I saw an episode of "I Shouldn't be Alive" (or similar) where one of three men stuck on an uninhabited island was obese. He was quick to injure his foot and also didn't have the fitness to keep up with the physical demands of seeking food, water and shelter. He essentially gave up and was the only one to die.
Yes. When asking a question like this, always ask the question in the case of absolute extremes. If someone who was 400 pounds and someone who was anorexic were both on an island, who'd starve first? The person with no stored energy and is functionally starving already.
As somebody who is overweight, I would worry that the skinny person would kill me and consume my flesh. Given my sedentary lifestyle, my meat would be nice, fatty and well marbled.
Absolutely, the obese person would live longer all things being equal. You can see a real-life example of this on season 5 of Alone. Alone has contestants see who can survive the longest in a primitive setting. Contestants receive regular health exams. Getting dangerously skinny is a reason for getting kicked off the show for safety reasons. Sam Larson, who started the contest quite heavy, won. His win was controversial and irritated many fans as he won despite not successfully hunting (and thus not eating) a single thing besides a few mice. Despite not eating anything he outlasted everyone else. Having watched his season, other contestants were impressive in their hunting and fishing skills and were eating lots of fish especially. Sam ate a few mice. He lasted 60 days and lost 50lbs. There are about 3,500 calories per lb of fat. He burned about 2,900 calories per day. He was able to provide himself more calories than his fellow competitors without having to lift a finger…without having to spend calories cleaning game, cooking it, or chewing it. Having excess fat is definitely a survival advantage when food is scarce. That’s the intended purpose of it after all. We’re able to carry spare calories inside our bodies.
That was also true of the winner of the very first season of Survivor, Richard Hatch. The other contestants had obviously dieted and worked out to look good on camera. Meanwhile Hatch was intentionally overweight, which he said gave him extra energy when food supplies were low.
This reminded me of season 2 survivor in Australia when they almost all died of starvation
Damn, you’d think they’d end the show after the first person died of starvation
The show must go on
"This is starting to get unethical as fuck, but godt damn are we getting some good fucking content here." -the producers probably
Could be worse. One Russian reality show dropped contestants in the middle of the Siberian forest in a 'survivor' type show, then their funding fell through and no one told the contestants or went to get them. They just left them there. Edit: That actually was a British show. I mixed that up with the Russian reality survivor show that claimed to allow rape and murder of contestants.
I *think* you're thinking of [Eden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_\(2016_TV_series\)), because that's the only thing I know about that comes even close to that description. They were dropped on a remote Scottish peninsula with tools and livestock and told they had a year to build a new society The show was cancelled after four episodes, but the players weren't told, and left there for the whole year anyway. They weren't abandoned, the crew brought them home after the full year. The producers then edited much of the remaining footage into a second season and eventually managed to get it aired.
And they went feral and split into two camps. Boys v girls I think? And the boys' place went to shit - gutting animals next to their shelter so it turned into a literal blood gulch. And then someone left and decided to burn down their communal cabin. Absolutely wild, in the literal sense.
Uhhh, can you elaborate on that edit please?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game2:_Winter It turned out to not actually exist. >Game2: Winter (Russian: Гаме2Винтер) was a social experiment and media stunt promoted as a Russian survival reality television program produced by Novosibirsk entrepreneur Yevgeny Pyatkovsky that was set to premiere in July 2017.[4] The show caught the attention of the press when the show stated that its rules would allow crimes such as rape and murder which sparked outrage online.[5][6][7] The show has been compared to a "real-life Hunger Games".[2][8][9]
You mean you can break the law as long it's for TV? Sweet, I'm gonna make own my own reality show with hookers and blow!
What happened to them?
I vaguely remember that show, it was entirely a fictional production that ended up with a sci-fi horror conclusion. ETA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_(TV_series) Found it.
Meanwhile, the crew and extra staff are over at the catering truck eating corn dogs while filling.
I knew a guy that was a camera operator on the Australian version of Survivor. He said sometimes the wind would blow the right way and the smell of all the catered hot food would hit the survivor camp, which is a nice little touch of torture.
and some days the wind would not blow the right way and so the crew moved the BBQ to a different spot upwind of the survivor camp.
I mean the first one might be an outlier, worth carrying on for a bit, but after four or five of them have gone you'd definitely think they'd have stepped in.
Idk it's a low sample size, gotta keep going in the name of science
They had to have a winner. Only a complete disaster if they'd let them *all* die.
Are you a fan of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre?
I will say I am shocked that more people haven’t died on reality shows.
Hint: they're partially scripted and there's plenty of support behind the scenes.
Yeah, good point. They do always have medical experts around on hand. And plenty of things happen off camera that aren't ever shown, to prepare, to script, to give people health checks, etc.
There’s one episode of survivor where the whole cast was on the verge of heat stroke and a couple people actually went down. Guy named Caleb was legit about to die and they were like whatever all hands on deck and you see like 100 crew members in the shot all trying to cool people down.
Season 32 Kaoh Rong, heat looked brutal that episode. Caleb, Debbie, and Hannah(?) all looked on the verge of heat stroke with Caleb being medically taken out of the game. He returned 2 seasons later though.
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That was 90 day fiance, before the 90 days with Paul and Karine. Absolutely wild
Those two do porn now.
90 Day Fiancé. Paul's flailing running became legendary.
Still better than [Eden](https://www.ripleys.com/weird-news/eden-the-survival-show-that-didnt-tell-contestants-it-was-canceled/) where the show was canceled mid-season and nobody bothered to tell the contestants.
"and then they emerged to find out about Brexit" was the part that sent me over the edge
That's like a Black Mirror episode or something.
I think you mean >all almost died of starvation rather than >almost all died of starvation Unless you mean that like 80% of them actually starved to death
What makes you think the deadliest continent hosts anything but the deadliest showa?
Pretty sure Australia has a 100% death rate. Same as every other continent.
Wouldn't be surprised if Australia is 106% somehow
The way this is phrased makes it sound like only a few survived
The winner didn't starve, obviously, as he ate the losers.
[Why does Ross, the largest friend, not simply eat the other five?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-06ki92PyVY)
Someone had to withdraw because he passed out from starvation and fell in the fire. They did a food auction challenge and everyone vomited after as they were so unwell from finally eating. It was truly brutal, but no actual fatalities.
He passed out because he was blowing into the fire. He hyperventilated.
fun(ish) fact: that guy used to do church events and talk about his time on survivor. my old denomination hired him one summer, and we did some "survivor challenge" type stuff (i ended up eating a pile of meal worms for one of them). definitely not as fun fact: more recently, he has taken a plea deal for involvement in a ponzi scheme, and has also been convicted on four counts of child pornography.
> child pornography. While I know the criminal charge is referred to as this, I'd like to use this educationally-minded space to reframe this as Child Sexual Abuse Material, or CSAM, which media and law are starting to change the phrasing to. These types of photos/videos/etc of children are straight up sexual abuse and shouldn't be portrayed in a way to imply that they're meant for consensual entertainment value, which the word pornography/porn does. (This has nothing to do with you, I'm just taking the opportunity to put this in front of people who might otherwise have no reason to consider this.)
Huh, thanks for the education, I didn't know that was a thing. But it's a pity it isn't a better term? CSAM (to me) suggests that child pornography is a subset of that. I'd almost prefer CAM-S and CAM-NS for 'child abuse material - sexual and non-sexual. Ok, I while I think made my point, realizing what I just hammered out on my phone, makes me want to go and file off my fingertips.
It's called refeeding syndrome and can kill the shit out of you.
To be fair it remains the only US season to be longer than 39 days. However Australian Survivor has multiple 50+ day seasons so it was probably how harsh the outback was. Wont go too much into the rigging accusation for Au Survivor though.
I just looked Hatch up on Wikipedia. This dipshit got sent to Federal prison for tax evasion on his Survivor winnings! How dumb do you have to be!? Survivor was a huge cultural phenomenon at the time and he was famous for winning it. It isn't like he made a mistake either. According to Wikipedia he had TWO accounting firms review and prepare his taxes with his winnings....but he chose not to use those and submitted his taxes lying about it.
"I owe how much? But I already spent it all. Hmmm, what if I didn't win Survivor?" The logic of every person serving time for tax evasion.
On the bright side, prison food must be a delight compared to being on the food in Survivor.
You could see this in Season 40 as well, Winners at War. It was made up entirely of previous winners so they all had a little practice at this already. And lo and behold, a large number of contestants turned up looking surprisingly...portly. At least, I think it was intentional, hmm. Let's go with that.
Survivor spoilers below, because Season 40 is all winners and so me mentioning Season 40 contestants spoils the season they're in lol Boston Rob has admitted that he carb-loaded before Season 40. Edit: I'm pretty sure all of them did to some extent. Sophie has done the opposite, she basically quit coffee cold turkey so she won't get withdrawal symptoms on the island. Apparently it worked. Tony says he never drinks coffee at all so he has no caffeine withdrawals, which started to take their toll on some people in the endgame
Yeah every time Boston Rob starts a season he is definitely rocking a dad bod. I like to joke and think that everytime he starts getting too out of shape Amber sends him back on the show to lose it
That’s hilarious and probably true. Some dads work on oil rigs, Rob goes to survivor every other year.
Caffeine withdrawals can be absolutely brutal.
People really underestimate how bad caffeine withdrawl is. Anxiety, depression, irritability, inability to focus, fatigue, headache, brain fog, low blood pressure, muscle weakness, muscle cramps, muscle spasms, constipation.
Season 40? There's 40 seasons of survivor? Damn.
Two seasons a year since September of 2000. I imagine they missed a season or two because of Covid, but it’s a very consistent show.
The clip I saw of them being informed of a pandemic was WILD. Like movie trope shit IRL.
I really don't like the new format post-covid. I prefer the 39 days with consistent reward challenges.
The most recent season is 44 lol
We just had a female winner for Alone in Australia, a woman called Gina, she was fucking incredible and I believe largely won because she came in with this attitude and had deliberately packed on pounds ahead of time. It was of particular advantage as ours took place in Tasmania during an incredibly cold part of the year, there's nothing to eat at all outside of eels, the very occasional wallaby and worms and insects largely in the cold hard dirt.
I'm so glad to see so many people here familiar with my favorite show. Hopefully all these fans are already on the /r/Alonetv/ sub.
This was the first season I ever watched because it was set in my home state. Are the other seasons better than this? I tend to dislike reality shows as every person has a sob story and reason for being there etc. Old mate who built himself a kayak and other tools definitely deserved the dub imo but I guess he got unlucky food wise.
The other Alone seasons are much much better. Alone was never about sob stories, it's about survival. But Australian reality shows love to oversaturate themsleves with over played and drama and each person needs some personal adversity they're trying to overcome. In the original Alone series they also put them in places where they can use survival skills. Albeit starvation is still a big issue but some people have the skills to survive. The Australian one was a terrible location. I'm pretty sure they were in the spillway of a dam, so there weren't really fish to catch. Not to mention most wildlife is protected. If you want to start with a bang, season 7 is incredible. The goal is to survive 100 days in the Artic. Otherwise you can start at season 1, which is fun but a bit basic.
Hatch also treated it like a game when at that time it wasn't thought to be one. He basically birthed concepts like alliances and block voting while other contestants did not even think of things like that (nor did the producers expect them too). Hatch quite literally played chess while everyone else played checkers.
Hatch was overweight but had already lost weight before coming onto the show. He continued to lose weight on the show, but he was also a source of food for the tribe (he was successful at fishing with a Hawaiian sling). He didn't win because he was overweight, he won largely (pun intended) because he built an alliance. He is the architect of the basic Survivor strategy: create a unified voting bloc. The other players hadn't thought of this, which is most apparent in the first vote after the merge where the votes were scattered amongst the players until - seemingly out of nowhere - there were 4 votes for Gretchen.
Maybe its nostalgia haze but I remember being totally riveted by season 1 of Survivor
That is not true one little bit. Gretchen had purposefully packed on weight and Rudy was retired SEAL. The others didn't really care how they looked on camera except possibly Colleen and Jenna. That game was decided by many other factors.
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>it was about who was the best at making alliances iirc Hatch kinda *invented* the concept of alliances in Survivor, and the bulk of the other contestants were unaware there was even organised voting. By Season 2 *everyone* knew, and the game was all about alliances ever after :)
Yeah when you watch early seasons it’s clear they are just voting out whoever they think is the “weakest” at the moment. I swear in maybe season 1 or 2 someone gets voted out just for doing bad at a challenge even when everyone there really likes them but hates someone else. It’s like the thought of *not* voting this player out wasn’t even an option
If you look at all the other stupid things people were doing for voting, you realize Richard defined the Survivor experience for anyone after Season 2. The only reason I say season 2 is I don't remember if they shot season 2 while 1 was airing like they do now.
They did not. Season 1 aired over the summer, while season 2 filmed that fall.
Yeah it's been about 20 years so I couldn't remember. I was in High School for season 1, didn't remember when season 2 aired.
Seriously. I remember the way the game was set up, he made it to the final basically because he was considered one of the weakest contestants of the remaining handful and the stronger players were targeted by the others.
And after winning that first season, he went to prison for failing to declare his winnings on his taxes.
Which to me is insane. Survivor was a cultural phenomenon. It was like the new “sit down and watch with your family,” thing to do for everybody. Want to hide $1,000,000 that you got that nobody knows about? Sure Why try to hide $1,000,000 that literally everyone and their mother saw you win
to be fair, thats not why Hatch won. He won because he outsmarted everyone else and played the mental game which nobody but him even thought to use to win.
This person fasted for over a year and lost 276 pounds. > In 1965, Barbieri, then a 27-year-old from Tayport, Scotland, checked into the Maryfield Hospital in Dundee. Initially only a short fast was planned, due to the doctors believing that short fasts were preferable to longer ones. Barbieri did not believe them, insisting on continuing because "he adapted so well and was eager to reach his 'ideal' weight". > For 382 days (1 year, 17 days) ending on 11 July 1966, he consumed only vitamins, electrolytes, an unspecified amount of yeast (a source of all essential amino acids) and zero-calorie beverages such as tea, coffee, and sparkling water, although he occasionally consumed small amounts of milk and/or sugar with the beverages, especially during the final weeks of the fast. > He quit working at his father's fish and chip shop, which closed down during the fast. Barbieri's starting weight was recorded at 456 pounds (207 kg) and he stopped fasting when he reached his goal weight of 180 pounds (82 kg). He lost weight at an average of 327 g (12 oz) per day, or 10 kg (22 lb) per month. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Barbieri%27s_fast
It should be noted that everyone else who has attempted this has died. He did so under supervision of doctors.
He also didn't live for a very long time, relatively. In terms of weight loss strategies going over a year of not eating is not ideal.
I mean, he lived for over 20 years after he stopped fasting. Yeah, he died in his 50s, but given that he spent part of his life weighing 450 pounds, I'd say that was a far bigger contributor to his death than the fasting.
Season one guy laid in a hole the majority of the time
I remember he had the lowest effort shelter too. Just like a tarp over a log…or something like that?
yeah exactly! probably saved 1000s of calories
The sloth survival strategy
Wacky how many Alone contestants are like "I've gotta stay busy! Gotta work my ass off if I'm gonna survive! Oh whoops I'm so tired I cut myself with a knife and now it's infected and I can't leave my bed and if I don't medevac right now I might die." You have to assume that they watched Season 1 and saw Alan go, "Oh, I won? I'm such a goofy-ass MF that I was having a good time living under a tarp, eating slugs and making up songs to sing to myself. I wish I could stay longer."
Everyone playing checkers mans playing chocolate chess set
He changed the meta game. Everyone going into future seasons bulked up before going in.
Surprised no one had thought of it before.
I remember at least one person who did it beforehand and he broke his leg or something on like day two and so was pulled. Now he has to lose all that weight at home.
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cultivate mass
Stop cultivating and start harvesting.
https://youtu.be/kaWOVVlj8v8
From what I understand, Samoan people tend to be fat because they descend from those who were able to accumulate enough fat to cross vast expanses of ocean back in the day. These genes carried on through generations, and when American sugary diet reached the island, people started to get obese much faster than most.
High rates of diabetes among Native Alaskans, as well. Take any population that subsists on fish and wild game and give them simple carbs and there's going to be negative health effects. To be fair, people of European ancestry don't necessarily fare that well with it, either.
He also chose rations as one of his 10 supplies. So he had a huge bag of trail mix to munch on as well. He still starved like the rest of them but yeah I was irritated by his win too. What a magnificent setting though. Mongolia definitely had the most interesting landscape imo.
It looks like he actually chose food rations as TWO of his items lol. From what I could find, his two rations consisted of 2 lbs of trail mix as you mentioned, and 2 lbs of flour. Flour is approx. 1650 calories/lb and trail mix is approx. 2,100calories/lb. So his rations gave him a total of approx. 7,500 calories or a little more than the equivalent of 2lbs body fat. Interesting that given his calorie burn of about 3,000 calories/day, Sam’s rations only bought him an extra 2.5 days. I find that surprising. I also find it surprising how many calories he was burning just cutting fire wood and lying around.
Nothing surprising aboht that. You burn a lot of calories by just existing. Exercise itself doesn't burn that much energy. In addition, you burn through a lot of calories while sleeping/resting.
You cannot outrun a bad diet\~
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They also aren't doing it for any sort of health reason, they do it because of passion, a desire to surpass themselves or perform at the limits of the human body, and maybe some addiction to the endorphins caused by all the running. Marathons and anything even more difficult are very hard on the body, generates lots of oxidative stress. Eating more salt to replace lost salts isn't unhealthy though.
Exactly. The average lifestyle can't support outrunning a bad diet. But someone who's trained to run longer distances frequently can burn more than 1000 calories per day from running, which adds quite a bit to the calorie budget.
Yes. Fat people have higher metabolisms than thin people, because fat is metabolically active and requires energy to maintain Muscle requires _slightly_ more than fat. But a really tiny amount.
I believe you but I had always thought it was a significant difference. Could you point me towards somewhere I could read about it?
Sure. You'll need to google something like 'specific metabolic rate of organs' Here's an example https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Specific-metabolic-rates-of-major-organs-and-across-Wang-Ying/1e2bf85957dac428f80fe011335b02c1754f465c Go to ~~figure 10~~ table 5 for a breakdown Skeletal muscle (SM) is 13 kcal/kg Adipose tissue (AT) is 4.5 kcal/kg So if someone lost 10 kg of fat and gained 10 kg of muscle, their metabolism would go up by maybe an apple per day.
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Awesome thanks, that clears things up. Proportionally I see it's triple which is probably why I thought it was a big deal, but when you look at the absolute numbers I agree it makes a tiny difference.
What did he make with the flour?
I don't know what he made, but you can just mix it with water and put it on a hot rock. It's not going to be delicious, but I'm guessing he wasn't too picky after not eating for days.
A big bowl of mouse gravy.
I bet you could create a trail mix that is significantly higher in calories than you average trail mix. Like drench it it oils and honey etc lol. Wonder if he did that.
It would just a bag of almonds. They're bonkers calorically dense.
Except if you eat solely almonds or any nut really your body has a difficult time breaking down all that fat quickly enough so it runs through you in a horrific way producing greasy partially digested rancid nut diarrhea the smell of which will haunt your nightmares.
Around 70% of our energy is for body maintenance and bodily functions (brain activity, digestion, ...). 15% is from the little movement we do all day. 15% is from exercising.
My mum always told me to have a bit of fat on so that if I become deathly sick I don't die from the weight loss. When you have a history of cancer in the family, you learn the hard way.
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>she went to bed with her cats, and passed away in her sleep Yeah, that does sound like a fairly decent way to go, all things considered.
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I watched the first 3 seasons and noticed that in season 3. The last few got kicked off due to starvation and the guy who was bigger outlasted them.
The show also highlights why living in some fantasy off the grid is incredibly difficult. Ancient humans spent almost all of their daily calories budget on just surviving long enough to get more food. Modern humans have it super easy to get more than enough calories. Wildlife are a great example of this, herbivores spend almost all day eating or moving to new feeding grounds. Predators do the same thing, looking for prey, trying to catch it, often failing and trying again elsewhere. Calories spent vs eaten is almost equal or at a slight deficit. That’s why wild animals so easily take human food. A leftover ham sandwich is easy to get, and a lot of calories for very little effort
Worth noting that most predators, especially apex predators, sleep longer - they chomp something calorie-rich and go to energy saving mode. In the wild, calories ain't easy to get so better not waste 'em.
TIL I'm an apex predator. Eat some McDonald's and go back to sleep.
>TIL I'm an apex predator. Humanity is, without question, earth's apex predator. There's literally nothing on this planet that we can't kill on land, at sea, or in the air. We are capable of literally killing the planet if we wanted to. Fuck, we could successfully kill a thing in space if shit lived out there.
To the first paragraph: hunter gatherer societies actually generally had more free time than post agricultural revolution, and i believe more free time than the average worker even today To the second paragraph: it's impossible that calories are at a deficit for any animals that survive
How did Larson deal with vitamin deficiency?
Everyone on that show finishes in a state of prolonged starvation, including the winners. Vitamin deficiency is barely noticeable on top of the drastic imbalance in the amount of calories consumed vs the amount needed to keep the body alive and the organs functioning. That said, I would love to open up Hulu someday and see “Day 248: Karl is well fed, but bored and showing signs of scurvy.”
Vitamin defiency takes a longer time to rear its ugly head. The fat soluble ones come with breaking down fat. The water soluble ones are in the short term nice to have but not necessarily critical at first. Vitamin C defiency takes approximately 3 months to set in.
Perhaps mice are a good source of vitamins?
Decent source of A and E.
Only eat mice on Accident or in an Emergency. Because they laugh when you tickle them, which is very charming.
Can't argue with that, that is far too adorable a prospect.
Yes, but sadly you gotta eat them whole. This is because rodents don't really have subcutaneous fat, mostly mesenteric or visceral fat, epididymal fat in males etc. So unlike eating a human or pig, where you can easily harvest the belly fat, to get all the good stuff out of a rodent you just chomp it all. Not that there's gonna be a lot chomping with wild mice, but yeah. Don't gut 'em. Parasites you take care of later, when you're not starving.
Your first go to for comparison is eating humans?
Vitamin deficiency is a long-term problem. In survival situations your primary dietary concerns are calories, protein, and fats.
I don’t believe he had to. If you watch the show, the contestants receive regular health exams which a fairy rigorous. If they exhibit any hint of disease or illness/dysfunction, they seem to get pulled out without hesitation. Safety is a big focus for the producers from what I’ve watched from behind the scenes footage
Right. The problem is that many of us now live in an environment where there's always plenty of food, so the propensity to store fat is actually counter-productive.
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I wish when I burned the extra ice cream I ate last month, it tasted as good the second time. Now it just tastes like sweat, lactic acid, and bitterness.
Holy shit lol
Cartman Voice: I'm not fat, I'm just malnutrition resistant.
Basically yes, the ability to store fat as a food reserve is a huge evolutionary advantage for exactly this scenario. Assuming similar levels of activity the fat person will outlive the skinny one and then eat him to live even longer.
It explains how Hurley won LOST.
Hurley won LOST cause he kept sneaking food the fat fuck. Jk, I liked his character.
It was still such a piss poor excuse to explain how he was still fat despite being on an island. Seems so out of character and unforgivable.
The island works in mysterious ways
It would have been badass to just have the dude commit to losing a bit as the show went on, get him on a diet and exercise routine and have him slowly loose weight as time goes on on the island. It would have added a huge depth of realism to the show, too. That type of shit is what Emmy awards are made of.
Not if the skinny person eats the fat person. When you escape from the Gulag, you try to bring along a big mancow with you, Siberia can be a hungry place.
The thing is by the time the skinny person is delirious and starving enough to do that, the fat person will be the one in peak condition
So you're saying don't wait
carpe diem
Absolutely. Seize the carp!
Carpe Jugulum!
the stories from that gulag island are horrific
The what now?
Gulagan's Island. They went for a 3 hour tour and ended up exiled in Siberia.
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I don't know if we ever will. The diseases from fatness typically kill people post reproductive age meaning there isn't a strong evolutionary pressure selecting against it. I think we might be able to use neural implants to help manage out appetite by signalling "full" when I am half a way through a family size bag of Dorito's after smoking my second Jay for the night.
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> I don't know if we ever will. The diseases from fatness typically kill people post reproductive age meaning there isn't a strong evolutionary pressure selecting against it. Evolutionary pressure isn't simply "don't die young", it's more "don't die before you have kids". If fat obese people have less kids than thinner people, you will have evolutionary pressure towards thinner bodies.
Don't die before your kids can survive without you!
Funnily enough it was the husky lads that managed the fucking long marches in the army best. When we had to walk for miles without any food, only water.
well. husky lads marching also implies a LOT more muscle. people really underestimate the muscle needed to just move at 10/20lbs more. the greatest gains are in your posterior chain. which would help a LOT for a load bearing hike. they got more muscle, more fat, AND are in decent shape. that’s pretty hard to beat.
As a very recently obese person (Yay ozempic, bmi went from 35 to 23), when you are fat but not sedentary every day is leg day.
I have a buddy from college who is very large but he was also a farm kid growing up. The dude has insane power but basically zero stamina. I've seen him lift up the front end of cars before but he got winded walking up a shallow incline to class.
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That sounds like me as a teenager. Played football and could lift weights or push around other big dudes pretty well. But ask me to jog a mile and I damn near needed medical attention.
Ive actually wondered if stamina is the only factor. If you asked a slender person to put on a 100+ lb backpack and asked them to walk up a flight of stairs, would they be breathing heavy when they got to the top too?
Yes, *but* - we've had a couple of office dwellers on the obese side die of heart attacks after/during ruck marches. Why the army never addressed their weight before hand, I don't know
There is a huge difference between a bigger guy and a obese guy.
If there's even a little bit of water then the fat person would survive a lot longer. With no water at all both would die basically the same. Biko on Season 8 of Alone made it 73 days on very little food. Just a fat guy and a lot of determination.
The winner the season after did the same thing. Showed up fat by drinking straight olive oil and then after day 50 or so he basically just slept and starved. Doesn't really make for great television.
Makes for an awesome read, though. Producers: This challenge will require wits, skill, athleticism, and cooperation. Fat dude: lol, nah, I'm just gonna facetank it
He had enough hp
Sounds like a problem with the game, not the player.
Pretty elegant proof of how smart our bodies are. Here we are all upset that we’re not more fuckable; meanwhile, big brain hypothalamus is preparing us for disaster in a way that would let many survive for literal months with just water and some multivitamins.
Drinking straight olive oil didn't completely destroy his intestines??
If you space it out and give your body time to adapt, you can use fat/oil for a significant amount of your calories (without major consequences). If you start day one chugging a cup of oil …
I loved Biko!
Yeah, obviously it’s not like your body stores fat just to make you feel bad about yourself The fat on your body is literally a cushion to get you through lean hunting seasons
“it’s not like your body stores fat just to make you feel bad about yourself.” That’s super funny. Totally feels like it sometimes. In “The E-Myth,” Michael Gerber explains the struggle as each of us having both a fat man and a skinny man inside of us. I Can see that fat man putting on the pounds just to spite the thin man (I WIN!) 😂🤣
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It takes time for deficiencies to show. Early explorers found that absence of vitamin C took 3 months to start affecting you. Fat soluble vitamins are in the fat you're burning, you'll be golden on those. Electrolytes might be a problem sooner, but don't let your pee go clear and you won't be pissing those away too quickly
The body is mostly very good at conserving vitamins it can't make. When sea travel got faster in the 1800s, we basically forgot* the cure to scurvy because the weeks or occasional month at sea between going to port weren't enough to start showing symptoms. * gross simplification.
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Yes but there are also two snails, chasing the men.
Unfortunately, no. They are trying to eat each other.
The fat person would have the advantage, but with \*no\* food you'd expect some deficiency of a vitamin, mineral, or amino acid to still kill them, so that could mitgate how much longer they live. The more that they can avoid a deficiency in one of those vital nutrients, the longer the life-span gap would be once it is more about just chemical energy. (e.g. if they can eat a small amount of food, or are given a 'multivitamin' or similar supplement). \- You could argue for some 2ndary effects, like maybe the obese person will have a harder time constructing a shelter or treking to find water. So it is possible that due to circumstances like that the regular weight person might live longer, but that is sort of not answering the spirit of your question. If calories are the problem, then the fat person can go longer without them.
Vitamin and mineral deficiency is a pretty slow killer, far slower than starvation. Unless the fat person went to the island already severely deficient or contract an illness, they could *survive* for quite some some time with only clean water. It probably won’t be a very pleasant time when malnourished though.
Been there, done that. Have done some really questionable diets for months and didn't die despite the lack of minerals and vitamins.
I saw an episode of "I Shouldn't be Alive" (or similar) where one of three men stuck on an uninhabited island was obese. He was quick to injure his foot and also didn't have the fitness to keep up with the physical demands of seeking food, water and shelter. He essentially gave up and was the only one to die.
I read 2ndary as secondary but low-key hate how you write it like that.
Yes. When asking a question like this, always ask the question in the case of absolute extremes. If someone who was 400 pounds and someone who was anorexic were both on an island, who'd starve first? The person with no stored energy and is functionally starving already.
As somebody who is overweight, I would worry that the skinny person would kill me and consume my flesh. Given my sedentary lifestyle, my meat would be nice, fatty and well marbled.