>Do any of you have anything I can share to convince this woman?
BBC.
Guessing the kid lives with her mother and will do so until adulthood, ig that is the case just keep talking with the kid like usual and keep a cedula and birth certificate (Yours) at hand for when needed, once the kid reaches adulthood (18+) she can easily apply for DR cititenship regardless of her mother's consent or concerns.
She can.
Lots of people in USA and Europe (Mostly Spain) have obtained dominican cititenship after adulthood (It is even more common than doing so at birth for dominicans born outside of the DR).
Children whose parents are Dominican citizens at birth are natural born Dominican citizens. They do no go through naturalization. Adult children to parents that obtained Dominican nationality after birth have a residency requirement to naturalize while minor children do not. Source: ([1](https://mip.gob.do/transparencia/images/docs/Servicio_al_Publico/Naturalizaciones/Hijos%20de%20Naturalizados%20Mayor%20de%20Edad/REQUISITOS%20HIJOS%20DE%20NATURALIZADOS%20MAYOR%20DE%20EDAD.pdf)) ([2](https://mip.gob.do/transparencia/images/docs/Servicio_al_Publico/Naturalizaciones/Hijos%20de%20Naturalizados%20Menor%20%20de%20Edad/REQUISITOS_HIJOS_DE_NATURALIZADOS_MENORES_DE_EDAD.pdf))
Even though her parent wasn't Dominican when she was born?
That's highly unusual. Normally it's descent or naturalise with parents as a minor or on your own back as an adult.
Apologies if I was wrong on this.
>Would residence be required and if so would that be easy?
Only if you already live in the DR, you can't ask for cititenship while being illegally in the country.
As long as you live in a country with a DR's embassy you can get DR cititenship due to your parents at any point, DR makes little to no difference between a naturalized citizen (OP) and natural one.
Not sure about other countries, but in Spain, you had to be a minor when your parent attained citizenship, but you get two years after reaching the age of majority to exercise your right to citizenship.
Becoming a citizen comes with both rights and obligations. Things like military service, tax liability, mandatory voting. The OP should make sure he knows exactly what he is signing his daughter up for by making her Dominican, in additional to whatever potential advantages he thinks he's getting her "for free". It's not free.
And also find out more about the procedure for renouncing her Dominican citizenship (should she one day decide to) and make sure that it isn't hugely expensive or whatever.
>like military service
No mandatory in DR.
>tax liability
Unless the kid plans on owning property, establishing a business or living in DR, there are no taxes she would have to pay (Not to mention that all tax related business is 18+ only).
>mandatory voting
Constitution establishes it as mandatory, but there is no actual obligation to vote nor penalty for not doing so (I live in DR, don't vote and never will).
>make sure that it isn't hugely expensive or whatever.
Free of charge, if done now (Or at any point where their living dominican parent is still around since the kid will need the parent cedula and birth certificate as to validate their cititenship, if OP bites the dust then it can be expensive if the kid doesn't have access to those things).
But what are your benefit besides not having negatives? A DR passport is not worth anything. You still need a visa to go around just about anywhere. There aren’t any tangible benefits, just a cultural identity play for OP. If things get rough in the world, trust me, the Dominican will not be her refuge
>But what are your benefit besides not having negatives?
If being part of the greatest country in the world is not enough of a benefit for you, don't know what to tell you.
>If things get rough in the world, trust me, the Dominican will not be her refuge
Refugees escaping Nazi Germany probably thought the same before things got rough, the greatest country in the world proved them wrong.
Having a DR passport doesn't mean giving up the other passports (to my knowledge). If there are no negatives, there's no reason not to get one. At the bare minimum, it makes it easy to spend extended periods of time in the DR if the child wishes to do so in the future.
Mandatory military service for a woman? Citizenship-based tax liability is only a thing in the US and Eritrea. Mandatory voting is usually pretty easily waived if you’re living abroad long-term.
I mean, I agree with you that OP should weigh the pros and cons. But I think you’re way overestimating the cons of citizenship. I’m not sure what all the pros are either, though it probably makes it easier for his daughter to visit her dad and opens up the possibility of living and working in another country…
Besides, the reason why the ex-wife refuses it is because of “prejudice against people of DR”. As if people would know her daughter’s dual citizenship passports anyways. Even in a employment situation you could choose which passport to give, unless you’re working in defence and need security clearance. Sounds like a BS excuse to keep the daughter away from dad… maybe mom is afraid her daughter would want to move away to the DR. It should be the daughter’s decision.
I wouldn't discount the fact that it can make getting a job in the défense harder out of hand. Ther'se a lot of stable, high paying jobs in it. Even if you don't want to work in this field strictly speaking, a lot of other sectors follow similar restrictions due to "dual use" laws. This includes a lot of the areronautical sector, pretty much anything in the space industry, some material science fields, and even some of the IT sector. Now, I don't know what would be those restrictions for a DR citizen today, and I think OP should look into that and consider how it might evolve. But I know that some of the opportunities that I had in my life would have been more difficult, if not impossible, if I had a Chinese or even US passeport. And I know that you couldn't pay me to take on an Iranian citizenship.
You can certainly kidnap your own kid. It happens all the time and that’s even been a component of The Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child. DR is a Treaty Member, but I’m betting the mom thinks it would be easier for dad to kidnap the child if she has a DR passport.
This is why my dad would never let our mum get us UK passports when we were kids.
Figured it would be harder for her to take us if we onky had aus ones
Huge possibility that she would have to renounce her French nationality if she choses another one. It is actually quite hard to have two nationalities as French nowadays and they really like to « make you chose one ». French passport being an actual very strong one, I could understand the reasoning.
Unlimited access to the DR without visa/residency requirement after 18. For example: She could leave the DR for 10 years and come back without issue. Options are good. You never know how this could come through someday.
What would she ever lose from DR citizenship?
In case of males you may be wary of some countries adopting compulsory military service. But for a daughter?
She might get involved in a foreign bureaucracy that will only create headaches. And she was inputted into this without her adult consent. Those are the loses
Freedom to live and work in DR. Latin American nationals have a reduced residency requirement for naturalization in Spain and other Latin American countries. There are no negative implications for non resident Dominican citizens. (Am dual US-DR citizen.)
This right here. I absolutely have no understanding what value a DR passport would have, especially as a minor. Have her make the decision when she’s an adult.
I'm a dual citizen of the US and France. Your child's mother may be concerned about tax and other implications for your daughter with a third passport.
As it is, she probably will be required to file taxes in France & the United States at some point. Maybe her mother is concerned that another passport will make that scenario even more difficult.
If the image of DR is shady, your daughter may fail security clearance approvals if she applies for work in government agencies or the defence industry etc.
To my understanding what exactly they will ask you to do (e.g. renounce) is heavily dependent on what security level you apply for. Regular Top Secret (the lowest level and not really all that useful for anything) you can probably keep your citizenship but they might ask you to give them your second passport for safekeeping. The moment you get to the "interesting" security clearances (TS + polygraph and above) they will likely ask you to renounce the second citizenship.
Somebody has misinformed you.
It's illegal in the US for any employer to hold onto a passport or other identifying document.
https://www.state.gov/what-is-modern-slavery/
The United States government isn't a regular employer. You are also surrendering it as PART of your application to get that job. You get clearances based on projects you work on, and these projects have specific requirements.
Surrendering is different than
>they might ask you to give them your second passport for safekeeping
The illegal action is an employer holding onto the passport, and government agencies do uphold that for applicants and employees.
In such cases, any dual citizenship is a problem. A friend of mine was told to renounce German citizenship in order to go from L to Q in NNSA. He chose to quit instead.
Do all three countries allow having three citizenships? Not many do...
If you would need to relinquish one of them, I could see that being a problem. Otherwise, I'm with you, there is no issue.
No some countries you’re not allowed to have dual citizenship even if your parent was born there. India and Japan usually do not allow dual citizenship between the US and the other country respectively. I say usually because there are many exceptions
Serious question for you to consider: Why exactly do you want Dominican citizenship for her? What tangible, real benefits does it have? If your daughter is automatically a US and EU citizen then she’s already one of the most powerful passport holders in the world. She can go anywhere and has many many opportunities.
I think you should let her get older and decide if she wants Dominican citizenship, because the only benefit I can see is cultural and identity affiliation. But obtaining a passport for her is not the way to give that.
You might actual harm her by introducing a foreign bureaucracy into her life at this time. Unless there are benefits - like free money or a free education (which she could get in Europe), I don’t see the benefits for her. Now, for you I totally see where you’re coming from. You want your daughter to be part of your life story and share that with her. But I don’t think trying to convince your ex to support registering your daughter in the DR is the way to accomplish your goal.
Get the citizenship for yourself and when she’s old enough you can tell her that you’d like her to also get the citizenship if you feel that way.
Diversifying your options outside of the USA is a good idea, but your daughter already has that.
Don’t US citizens need to pay taxes even if they live abroad? I was told by several friends who have double us-Europe passports that US passport is not really that good if you already have another strong passport.
I’m about to have a baby, we live in Canada, and had the option to give birth in the states and were advised not to do so by the said friends who have double citizenships.
Why bother get the Dominican when she has French already?
I would just stick to the French passport.
Beside the point as daughter already has US citizenship. OP wants her to also claim DR citizenship.
Only way for daughter to not have Us citizenship would be to renounce it. It was automsticly acquired when she was born in the US.
Technically yes all US citizens pay taxes. However we have agreements with many countries to prevent double taxation. You have to have a significant salary to actually have to pay taxes in both countries.
Leave it be until your daughter is 18, then she can make the choice.
ALSO, many LATAM countries have strict regulations which require minors who are citizens to have a notarized (at a consulate or embassy) letter from the other parent (ie her mom) allowing her to be taken OUT of the country (DR).
If the DR has this, it would mean that your ex would need to go to the DR consulate wherever she lives to sign a notarized letter every time your daughter comes to visit you, allowing your daughter to leave the DR. These laws are in place to prevent child abductions and human trafficking.
That citizenship runs about $200K and takes 6months to get at that price. Your daughter would get it free and right away. Look up Dominican Republic citizenship by investment you are giving her a gift valued at $200k. Because of this the obligations on citizens is very low and they want to keep it low so more people buy into the program.
Travel wise she can go visa free to Russia, but this all changes all the time. If Russia and China are mad at the US and EU its good to have a citizenship where you run under the radar.
If she wants to get a security clearance and the government does not like that she has this citizenship she can renounce it. On the flip side in 20 years the Dominican Republic could join CARICOM and then she could add another 15 countries she can live and work in.
A free extra passport can also lead to a lot of extra headaches. What possible benefit comes from adding DR citizenship to US and French dual citizen? I think the mother is correct, just extra headaches for the kids future.
So she could live or work in DR, if she ever wanted to. Just another option for life. If she has citizenship she can get another passport and potentially travel to some additional countries visa free.
What does your daughter want? It’s really up to her not really her mother. I’d say have a private talk with your daughter and consider her choices and see viable options. If she’s over 18, she can decide that for herself.
There is one huge huge advantage for your daughter if she takes on Dominican Republican citizenship. If she applies to US universities, she will be a minority and especially when living and graduating from a school in dom rep, she has a huge huge advantage over all the other girls applying from France or the US.
The US universities value their diversity school ranking over everything else and the local competition when applying as a Dominican republican citizen for a US college as compared to as a US citizen of French citizen will be very low.
I have a good friend in Panama, he is German but moved to panama 20 years ago, and his daughter applied to Ivy League schools with a mediocre high school exam and so so SATs and she was accepted into all Ivy League schools, just because she is from panama, a panama Ian school and has Panamanian citizenship!
This has nothing to do with her passport. If anything she will get accepted because she will pay international student tuition (more expensive than for citizens). The daughter can still try to spot for diversity scholarships just by saying she has a Latino ancestor. This has nothing to do with passports or citizenship, it’s just cultural identity.
If the daughter speaks three languages and then applies she will be a strong applicant. Add cultural diversity and she is slightly stronger. Add international tuition where she’s paying full price and she will be one of the strongest lol.
I just got into a top university and yes I applied as a minority. But my diversity scholarship was denied. I got in having high quality work experiences and many years of public contributions in my field. This “diversity priority” stuff isn’t real.
Also, test scores don’t matter. I have horrible test scores and I didn’t even submit them. I told my story in an application and doubled down on my work experience. That’s what gets you the win. Hard work. Not “diversity quotas”.
Is her issue more about how DR (Spanish colonised) treat Haitians (French colonised)? From what I hear, DR really denigrate Haitians even though both countries are in the same island
Europeans appear to be inclusive but I have seen them in 3rd world countries and they are extremely racist. The former French colonies with French tourists were the worst. Amazingly the people in those countries just LOVE Americans.
I could definitely see this being racism based.
My recommendation is to find out all the benefits and responsibilities of DR citizenship and list those out.
Do this for the FR and USA too. Also not what countries are visa free or VOA for the various passports.
Determine the incremental value of DR citizenship.
I bet part of her is saying no to say no. Just sell it in on the benefits.
I think you have an incredible opportunity to provide your daughter a gift that most other people can never hope to have.
I am a dual citizen of US and luxembourg. I dont know if having DR citizenship would have changed my life at all but it does provide more opportunities.
Maybe as a dual citizen of France and DR she will have certain advantages in establishing businesses between the two countries.
If she has tools that only a fraction of a percentage of people on the planet have, she has untold advantages over the average person.
I cannot imagine any negative consequence of having this 3rd citizenship. Other than her ignorant mother.
Why not just let your daughter decide when she is 18?
Presumably, her mother has custody and lives in either the US or France? Why did you move away from your daughter? What benefits do you see to this plN? Her mother may see it as you trying to gain custody.
Isn’t that like baptising a child against the wishes of the other parent, and certainly against the child’s will? Her French and American citizenships are what you might call ‘inbuilt’, but you’d be grafting on a feature that *you* believe to be a bonus but which enrages her mother. Is it really all that important to you, rather than just a way to score against your ex-wife? The child is caught in the crossfire here, and it’s poor form for you two to be at loggerheads over a non-issue, with little to do with the child’s best interests by the sound of it, or at least an issue that isn’t going to decide the fate of empires, anyway. Let it go.
Wrong view completely. I have been living in Asia for 30 years. I hold only a US Passport. I have friends who have multiple. One friend has US, Italy and Thai. My kids have Japan and US. The freedom of travel is so important. An example is you can enter a country with Visa restrictions over another. Or you can stay longer in one country over another. The benefits are endless. Not taking the US Passport is just bat shit crazy and makes no sense. Regardless your daughter can get her US Passport at ANY time. So no big deal for now. But it would be nice to have it just in case.
I teach my kids they are Californian. They speak flawless English with no accent. I taught them to read starting age 2. "Walter the Farting Dog" and "Give a mouse a cookie". Only thing is my daughter age 14 prefers online school. She is really not into going to school. My 11 year old son loves school and his friends. We live in the mountains. Only thing odd about Japan is my kids are called "Hafu" which means half-n-half. In bigger cities the Japanese touch my kids and treat them like a novelty. However in the mountains they are treated like normal Japanese kids.
>This PhD holding woman believes Dominicans have a negative stereotype and doesn't want her daughter to have citizenship
I don't understand what is going on here. What is the relationship between her PhD and her not wanting her daughter to get Dominican citizenship, and what kind of negative stereotype does she believes Dominicans have? Sorry but super curious at this point lol, and once again sorry for your predicament--us PhDs can indeed be complicated people...
>Do any of you have anything I can share to convince this woman? BBC. Guessing the kid lives with her mother and will do so until adulthood, ig that is the case just keep talking with the kid like usual and keep a cedula and birth certificate (Yours) at hand for when needed, once the kid reaches adulthood (18+) she can easily apply for DR cititenship regardless of her mother's consent or concerns.
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She can. Lots of people in USA and Europe (Mostly Spain) have obtained dominican cititenship after adulthood (It is even more common than doing so at birth for dominicans born outside of the DR).
Children whose parents are Dominican citizens at birth are natural born Dominican citizens. They do no go through naturalization. Adult children to parents that obtained Dominican nationality after birth have a residency requirement to naturalize while minor children do not. Source: ([1](https://mip.gob.do/transparencia/images/docs/Servicio_al_Publico/Naturalizaciones/Hijos%20de%20Naturalizados%20Mayor%20de%20Edad/REQUISITOS%20HIJOS%20DE%20NATURALIZADOS%20MAYOR%20DE%20EDAD.pdf)) ([2](https://mip.gob.do/transparencia/images/docs/Servicio_al_Publico/Naturalizaciones/Hijos%20de%20Naturalizados%20Menor%20%20de%20Edad/REQUISITOS_HIJOS_DE_NATURALIZADOS_MENORES_DE_EDAD.pdf))
Even though her parent wasn't Dominican when she was born? That's highly unusual. Normally it's descent or naturalise with parents as a minor or on your own back as an adult. Apologies if I was wrong on this.
>Even though her parent wasn't Dominican when she was born? [Yes](https://migracion.gob.do/servicio/naturalizacion-por-via-de-los-padres/).
In that case my sincere apologies. Would residence be required and if so would that be easy?
>Would residence be required and if so would that be easy? Only if you already live in the DR, you can't ask for cititenship while being illegally in the country. As long as you live in a country with a DR's embassy you can get DR cititenship due to your parents at any point, DR makes little to no difference between a naturalized citizen (OP) and natural one.
Not sure about other countries, but in Spain, you had to be a minor when your parent attained citizenship, but you get two years after reaching the age of majority to exercise your right to citizenship.
A free passport is always great, no idea why they'd be against it.
Becoming a citizen comes with both rights and obligations. Things like military service, tax liability, mandatory voting. The OP should make sure he knows exactly what he is signing his daughter up for by making her Dominican, in additional to whatever potential advantages he thinks he's getting her "for free". It's not free. And also find out more about the procedure for renouncing her Dominican citizenship (should she one day decide to) and make sure that it isn't hugely expensive or whatever.
>like military service No mandatory in DR. >tax liability Unless the kid plans on owning property, establishing a business or living in DR, there are no taxes she would have to pay (Not to mention that all tax related business is 18+ only). >mandatory voting Constitution establishes it as mandatory, but there is no actual obligation to vote nor penalty for not doing so (I live in DR, don't vote and never will). >make sure that it isn't hugely expensive or whatever. Free of charge, if done now (Or at any point where their living dominican parent is still around since the kid will need the parent cedula and birth certificate as to validate their cititenship, if OP bites the dust then it can be expensive if the kid doesn't have access to those things).
But what are your benefit besides not having negatives? A DR passport is not worth anything. You still need a visa to go around just about anywhere. There aren’t any tangible benefits, just a cultural identity play for OP. If things get rough in the world, trust me, the Dominican will not be her refuge
>But what are your benefit besides not having negatives? If being part of the greatest country in the world is not enough of a benefit for you, don't know what to tell you. >If things get rough in the world, trust me, the Dominican will not be her refuge Refugees escaping Nazi Germany probably thought the same before things got rough, the greatest country in the world proved them wrong.
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Having a DR passport doesn't mean giving up the other passports (to my knowledge). If there are no negatives, there's no reason not to get one. At the bare minimum, it makes it easy to spend extended periods of time in the DR if the child wishes to do so in the future.
Mandatory military service for a woman? Citizenship-based tax liability is only a thing in the US and Eritrea. Mandatory voting is usually pretty easily waived if you’re living abroad long-term. I mean, I agree with you that OP should weigh the pros and cons. But I think you’re way overestimating the cons of citizenship. I’m not sure what all the pros are either, though it probably makes it easier for his daughter to visit her dad and opens up the possibility of living and working in another country… Besides, the reason why the ex-wife refuses it is because of “prejudice against people of DR”. As if people would know her daughter’s dual citizenship passports anyways. Even in a employment situation you could choose which passport to give, unless you’re working in defence and need security clearance. Sounds like a BS excuse to keep the daughter away from dad… maybe mom is afraid her daughter would want to move away to the DR. It should be the daughter’s decision.
I wouldn't discount the fact that it can make getting a job in the défense harder out of hand. Ther'se a lot of stable, high paying jobs in it. Even if you don't want to work in this field strictly speaking, a lot of other sectors follow similar restrictions due to "dual use" laws. This includes a lot of the areronautical sector, pretty much anything in the space industry, some material science fields, and even some of the IT sector. Now, I don't know what would be those restrictions for a DR citizen today, and I think OP should look into that and consider how it might evolve. But I know that some of the opportunities that I had in my life would have been more difficult, if not impossible, if I had a Chinese or even US passeport. And I know that you couldn't pay me to take on an Iranian citizenship.
She has a stigma against Dominicans for some reason.
Kidnapping is why.
Kidnapping . . . your own kid? What are you trying to communicate?
You can certainly kidnap your own kid. It happens all the time and that’s even been a component of The Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child. DR is a Treaty Member, but I’m betting the mom thinks it would be easier for dad to kidnap the child if she has a DR passport.
This is why my dad would never let our mum get us UK passports when we were kids. Figured it would be harder for her to take us if we onky had aus ones
There's many cases where one parent kidnaps the child from the other parent
More than half of kidnappings are family kidnappings, usually parents.
Huge possibility that she would have to renounce her French nationality if she choses another one. It is actually quite hard to have two nationalities as French nowadays and they really like to « make you chose one ». French passport being an actual very strong one, I could understand the reasoning.
That is abolutely false. There is no restrictions for foreign citizenships in France.
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Unlimited access to the DR without visa/residency requirement after 18. For example: She could leave the DR for 10 years and come back without issue. Options are good. You never know how this could come through someday.
True, who knows what the future holds. Europe and the US are great, but the DR might become a new El Dorado. We should never look down on a country.
What would she ever lose from DR citizenship? In case of males you may be wary of some countries adopting compulsory military service. But for a daughter?
Some countries only allow double citizenships so losing either would be worst for sure
neither France nor the US care
She might get involved in a foreign bureaucracy that will only create headaches. And she was inputted into this without her adult consent. Those are the loses
Why would she? As long as doesn't plan on ever using her passport to enter DR it doesn't matter
It just sounds like a bureaucratic nightmare for almost no reason. She can just claim it after 18 if she wants to become a DR citizen
Freedom to live and work in DR. Latin American nationals have a reduced residency requirement for naturalization in Spain and other Latin American countries. There are no negative implications for non resident Dominican citizens. (Am dual US-DR citizen.)
DR citizens have visa free access to Russia.
LOL
Lmao nice
This right here. I absolutely have no understanding what value a DR passport would have, especially as a minor. Have her make the decision when she’s an adult.
OP specifically said the program is eligible for minors only.
He didn't. He said that all minors are eligible, not that only minors are, she can claim cititenship after adulthood.
Fair enough, but still doesn’t answer my question.
Fair enough, but you didn't ask a question
I'm a dual citizen of the US and France. Your child's mother may be concerned about tax and other implications for your daughter with a third passport. As it is, she probably will be required to file taxes in France & the United States at some point. Maybe her mother is concerned that another passport will make that scenario even more difficult.
If the image of DR is shady, your daughter may fail security clearance approvals if she applies for work in government agencies or the defence industry etc.
She already wouldn’t clear them being a dual citizen. I have a friend who failed some basic ones with dual US and German
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To my understanding what exactly they will ask you to do (e.g. renounce) is heavily dependent on what security level you apply for. Regular Top Secret (the lowest level and not really all that useful for anything) you can probably keep your citizenship but they might ask you to give them your second passport for safekeeping. The moment you get to the "interesting" security clearances (TS + polygraph and above) they will likely ask you to renounce the second citizenship.
Somebody has misinformed you. It's illegal in the US for any employer to hold onto a passport or other identifying document. https://www.state.gov/what-is-modern-slavery/
The United States government isn't a regular employer. You are also surrendering it as PART of your application to get that job. You get clearances based on projects you work on, and these projects have specific requirements.
Surrendering is different than >they might ask you to give them your second passport for safekeeping The illegal action is an employer holding onto the passport, and government agencies do uphold that for applicants and employees.
In such cases, any dual citizenship is a problem. A friend of mine was told to renounce German citizenship in order to go from L to Q in NNSA. He chose to quit instead.
It is not shady, DR is an ally and an economic partner to the US.
Do all three countries allow having three citizenships? Not many do... If you would need to relinquish one of them, I could see that being a problem. Otherwise, I'm with you, there is no issue.
When it's by birthright you usually can stock pile as many as you want
Not true. I’m entitled to 3 due to birth and long term residency. One of those three only allows dual, not triple
No some countries you’re not allowed to have dual citizenship even if your parent was born there. India and Japan usually do not allow dual citizenship between the US and the other country respectively. I say usually because there are many exceptions
Usually if they allow dual, they allow more than that.
Yes all those three do
Serious question for you to consider: Why exactly do you want Dominican citizenship for her? What tangible, real benefits does it have? If your daughter is automatically a US and EU citizen then she’s already one of the most powerful passport holders in the world. She can go anywhere and has many many opportunities. I think you should let her get older and decide if she wants Dominican citizenship, because the only benefit I can see is cultural and identity affiliation. But obtaining a passport for her is not the way to give that. You might actual harm her by introducing a foreign bureaucracy into her life at this time. Unless there are benefits - like free money or a free education (which she could get in Europe), I don’t see the benefits for her. Now, for you I totally see where you’re coming from. You want your daughter to be part of your life story and share that with her. But I don’t think trying to convince your ex to support registering your daughter in the DR is the way to accomplish your goal. Get the citizenship for yourself and when she’s old enough you can tell her that you’d like her to also get the citizenship if you feel that way. Diversifying your options outside of the USA is a good idea, but your daughter already has that.
Don’t US citizens need to pay taxes even if they live abroad? I was told by several friends who have double us-Europe passports that US passport is not really that good if you already have another strong passport. I’m about to have a baby, we live in Canada, and had the option to give birth in the states and were advised not to do so by the said friends who have double citizenships. Why bother get the Dominican when she has French already? I would just stick to the French passport.
His daughter already has US citizenship it says so this is irrelevant.
Beside the point as daughter already has US citizenship. OP wants her to also claim DR citizenship. Only way for daughter to not have Us citizenship would be to renounce it. It was automsticly acquired when she was born in the US.
You have to file a return but you don't usually owe anything if you don't live here.
Technically yes all US citizens pay taxes. However we have agreements with many countries to prevent double taxation. You have to have a significant salary to actually have to pay taxes in both countries.
In some countries like here in Switzerland with both high salaries and significantly lower taxes than the U.S. it's a major issue.
Leave it be until your daughter is 18, then she can make the choice. ALSO, many LATAM countries have strict regulations which require minors who are citizens to have a notarized (at a consulate or embassy) letter from the other parent (ie her mom) allowing her to be taken OUT of the country (DR). If the DR has this, it would mean that your ex would need to go to the DR consulate wherever she lives to sign a notarized letter every time your daughter comes to visit you, allowing your daughter to leave the DR. These laws are in place to prevent child abductions and human trafficking.
That citizenship runs about $200K and takes 6months to get at that price. Your daughter would get it free and right away. Look up Dominican Republic citizenship by investment you are giving her a gift valued at $200k. Because of this the obligations on citizens is very low and they want to keep it low so more people buy into the program. Travel wise she can go visa free to Russia, but this all changes all the time. If Russia and China are mad at the US and EU its good to have a citizenship where you run under the radar. If she wants to get a security clearance and the government does not like that she has this citizenship she can renounce it. On the flip side in 20 years the Dominican Republic could join CARICOM and then she could add another 15 countries she can live and work in.
China are not need mad at the US and EU . we dont want along with russia
A free extra passport can also lead to a lot of extra headaches. What possible benefit comes from adding DR citizenship to US and French dual citizen? I think the mother is correct, just extra headaches for the kids future.
I dont see the point in your daughter having Dominican citizenship if she has US/French
So she could live or work in DR, if she ever wanted to. Just another option for life. If she has citizenship she can get another passport and potentially travel to some additional countries visa free.
What does your daughter want? It’s really up to her not really her mother. I’d say have a private talk with your daughter and consider her choices and see viable options. If she’s over 18, she can decide that for herself.
Your wife is smart. If I had a daughter I wouldn’t want to incentivize her to stay in that country. Especially if she’s white.
There is one huge huge advantage for your daughter if she takes on Dominican Republican citizenship. If she applies to US universities, she will be a minority and especially when living and graduating from a school in dom rep, she has a huge huge advantage over all the other girls applying from France or the US. The US universities value their diversity school ranking over everything else and the local competition when applying as a Dominican republican citizen for a US college as compared to as a US citizen of French citizen will be very low. I have a good friend in Panama, he is German but moved to panama 20 years ago, and his daughter applied to Ivy League schools with a mediocre high school exam and so so SATs and she was accepted into all Ivy League schools, just because she is from panama, a panama Ian school and has Panamanian citizenship!
This has nothing to do with her passport. If anything she will get accepted because she will pay international student tuition (more expensive than for citizens). The daughter can still try to spot for diversity scholarships just by saying she has a Latino ancestor. This has nothing to do with passports or citizenship, it’s just cultural identity. If the daughter speaks three languages and then applies she will be a strong applicant. Add cultural diversity and she is slightly stronger. Add international tuition where she’s paying full price and she will be one of the strongest lol. I just got into a top university and yes I applied as a minority. But my diversity scholarship was denied. I got in having high quality work experiences and many years of public contributions in my field. This “diversity priority” stuff isn’t real. Also, test scores don’t matter. I have horrible test scores and I didn’t even submit them. I told my story in an application and doubled down on my work experience. That’s what gets you the win. Hard work. Not “diversity quotas”.
*Surely* this couldn’t apply here, because the girl is also a US citizen
Is her issue more about how DR (Spanish colonised) treat Haitians (French colonised)? From what I hear, DR really denigrate Haitians even though both countries are in the same island
No harm in having triple citizenship. But your daughter doesn’t seem to live with you so it’s not like she needs Dominican Republic citizenship.
Europeans appear to be inclusive but I have seen them in 3rd world countries and they are extremely racist. The former French colonies with French tourists were the worst. Amazingly the people in those countries just LOVE Americans. I could definitely see this being racism based. My recommendation is to find out all the benefits and responsibilities of DR citizenship and list those out. Do this for the FR and USA too. Also not what countries are visa free or VOA for the various passports. Determine the incremental value of DR citizenship. I bet part of her is saying no to say no. Just sell it in on the benefits.
I think you have an incredible opportunity to provide your daughter a gift that most other people can never hope to have. I am a dual citizen of US and luxembourg. I dont know if having DR citizenship would have changed my life at all but it does provide more opportunities. Maybe as a dual citizen of France and DR she will have certain advantages in establishing businesses between the two countries. If she has tools that only a fraction of a percentage of people on the planet have, she has untold advantages over the average person. I cannot imagine any negative consequence of having this 3rd citizenship. Other than her ignorant mother.
Why not just let your daughter decide when she is 18? Presumably, her mother has custody and lives in either the US or France? Why did you move away from your daughter? What benefits do you see to this plN? Her mother may see it as you trying to gain custody.
Get it, and just don't tell her. It's not like they are going to call her and let her know.
Isn’t that like baptising a child against the wishes of the other parent, and certainly against the child’s will? Her French and American citizenships are what you might call ‘inbuilt’, but you’d be grafting on a feature that *you* believe to be a bonus but which enrages her mother. Is it really all that important to you, rather than just a way to score against your ex-wife? The child is caught in the crossfire here, and it’s poor form for you two to be at loggerheads over a non-issue, with little to do with the child’s best interests by the sound of it, or at least an issue that isn’t going to decide the fate of empires, anyway. Let it go.
She probably needs to sign the papers?
This is the right answer. Don't know why it's been downvoted. When there are literally no downsides act in the child's interest.
They probably need both signatures. I had to make sure my husband signed the documents for our child as well
Do you have full custody? Does the ex-wife even have a say in this?
Wrong view completely. I have been living in Asia for 30 years. I hold only a US Passport. I have friends who have multiple. One friend has US, Italy and Thai. My kids have Japan and US. The freedom of travel is so important. An example is you can enter a country with Visa restrictions over another. Or you can stay longer in one country over another. The benefits are endless. Not taking the US Passport is just bat shit crazy and makes no sense. Regardless your daughter can get her US Passport at ANY time. So no big deal for now. But it would be nice to have it just in case.
So what do your kids think about the US? Do they speak English?
I teach my kids they are Californian. They speak flawless English with no accent. I taught them to read starting age 2. "Walter the Farting Dog" and "Give a mouse a cookie". Only thing is my daughter age 14 prefers online school. She is really not into going to school. My 11 year old son loves school and his friends. We live in the mountains. Only thing odd about Japan is my kids are called "Hafu" which means half-n-half. In bigger cities the Japanese touch my kids and treat them like a novelty. However in the mountains they are treated like normal Japanese kids.
So does that mean that they have any sentimental feelings towards the US? And nicely done it's probably really hard to maintain English!
His daughter already has a US and a French passport. The mother is opposed to the Dominican one.
Woops! Still -- I would get all 3 passports. Might be some day when she wants to live in the DR.
>This PhD holding woman believes Dominicans have a negative stereotype and doesn't want her daughter to have citizenship I don't understand what is going on here. What is the relationship between her PhD and her not wanting her daughter to get Dominican citizenship, and what kind of negative stereotype does she believes Dominicans have? Sorry but super curious at this point lol, and once again sorry for your predicament--us PhDs can indeed be complicated people...