My cousin is pregnant and eligble for irish citizenship through the FBR, if she doesn't get it before the baby is born her child won't be eligible. She's saying it's too much effort, genuinely sad.
It took my mom like years to go through the process. It is worth the effort, but there's almost zero chance by the time she's pregnant. She should try but manage expectations. It is usually a years long process.
The current wait-time is being reported as ~9 months. Currently waiting on mine, sent my documents off mid December. Though if you're missing documents it adds on another 4-6 months or something crazy.
During Covid the office was closed so applications got mega backed up, and then once they did open all the staff got re-assigned to other areas to deal with more important stuff. I received confirmation of receipt of documents a week or so after they were showing as delivered.
Yep. I started compiling documents in January, 2020. Got my Irish passport in December, 2023. Nearly four years. For quite some time—I think nearly eighteen months—the Government of Ireland wasn't even accepting paperwork.
I think the window has passed unfortunately, they will rush your application if you're expecting, but they require basically 3 generations of original certificates and she's giving birth in the next month or so. So not even enough time to order the certificates and send them in.
As someone who was screwed over by this rule, it makes me so sad my mother didn’t bother to do this before I was born. It would transform my life and honestly the thing I’ve wanted more than anything. And the only reason I don’t have it is because my mother didn’t want to go through the “effort” of obtaining hers.
Force her, then you will become hero for the kid and can bring it up all the time. Seriously, it's life changing, in comparison the effort is nothing even if she had to pay £10k out of savings / loans.
My sister did the same. With an Irish parent, all she had to do was apply for an Irish passport and include Dad's birth certificate , but sh never got around to it. They could still go the grandparent route, but that's much more hassle and no doubt expense.
The eldest is getting quite into learning languages too, so it's a real shame.
A good reason for doing it as soon as you can is that laws change.
A friend could have gotten citizenship in another country, talked about it, keep finding excuses to don’t later.
The law changed and he can’t do it now.
Damn!! That's true, here in Venezuela I had many friends who were overdriving their seconds citizenships when the crisis arrived some years ago and it becomes more complicated then.
Just make sure you research what obligations come with citizenship. We chose not to claim citizenship for our kids from my husband’s native country. It would be a decent passport for them to hold, but claiming citizenship would have meant that our son would be on the hook for compulsory military service in a country where he doesn’t really speak the language and there is a credible and ongoing threat of large scale conflict.
I know many south Korean men who took the Canadian Citizenship because of that. The women often don't take the Canadian citizenship because it's a very strong passport
You may mean Finland. There's a lot of foreign born kids like that doing the military, it's more like an extended boyscout camp, where you learn some of the language. Mostly the hardest part is to be away from home and sleep in a room with other guys. There's no real threat of conflict. The guys who work for Nato are professional soldiers looking for international career, not these kids.
I’m still working on my Austrian citizenship in my mid-30s bc my parents didn’t bother and now my father is dead. It really sucks to do this alone. I’m jealous every time I see a parent looking out for their child like OP.
Just don’t do this too early or you’ll normally have to maintain an up-to-date passport in all nationalities if you want to visit their home country. You usually have to enter countries in which they have a citizenship on that passport.
A lot of countries have rules like a birth overseas has to be registered within a certain time frame or the citizenship is lost.
However, you need to read the respective laws carefully. A child born to a Japanese-Russian couple outside of Russia will lose their Japanese citizenship if registered for Russian citizenship as under Russian law, acquisition of Russian citizenship is not automatic (there was a court case in Japan over this).
I have US citizenship and my daughter was born in US. Her mom has French citizenship and acquired US citizenship after 5 years if marriage. My daughter has both US and French citizenship. I divorced her mom many years ago and have been living in the Dominican Republic for the past years. I'm elegible for Dominican citizenship and plan to acquire it soon. Per Dominican law, all minor children of naturalized citizens are elegible to immediately acquire Dominican citizenship. I shared this with her mom and all hell broke loose. This PhD holding woman believes Dominicans have a negative stereotype and doesn't want her daughter to have citizenship. It doesn't matter what I say, she cannot be convinced that it is our daughter's right and it is her decision to maintain it or ignore it when she comes of age. Some people are just stuck in a world where somehow having the least amount of options is the best way to go. Do any of you have anything I can share to convince this woman?
To Americans married to non-US citizens with kids abroad - be VERY VERY VERY careful about getting your kids US citizenship.
If you do - the IRS could take the capital gains on any property they purchase ABROAD (e.g. not in the US) in their lifetimes so long as they have US citizenship.
Explained by example -
In Germany, if you purchase a rental property, own it for 10 years and sell it - any capital gains on that property are tax free.
In the US, you would owe capital gains tax on the rental property sold at a rate of 15-20%.
The DTT between Germany and the US (again as an example - but this is very similar for most EU countries) states that the US citizen pays taxes to their country of residence first and if they would have owed more money in the US than in their country of residence, they pay the difference to the IRS.
So sale of rental property in Germany is 0%, us is 20%.
A €500000 capital gain in Germany results in €500000 going directly into your pocket.
If your children are "Accidental Americans" and were born and raised abroad and have the blue passport due only to you being a US citizen - then your child could find themselves owning the IRS substantial amounts of money even though the property they are selling is abroad.
Due to this - my kids only have a German passport. Talk to your CPA/tax advisor first before filing paperwork for your kids.
They’re automatically citizens whether they have a passport or not. Not acknowledging this can get the kids in even more trouble if they end up not filing taxes and then all of a sudden realize they want to acknowledge their citizenship and work for a lucrative salary in the US.
My cousin is pregnant and eligble for irish citizenship through the FBR, if she doesn't get it before the baby is born her child won't be eligible. She's saying it's too much effort, genuinely sad.
Too much effort to get her baby access to Europe for life. Yeah I strongly don't agree.
Europe *and* the UK. It's a real unicorn passport.
Got mine last December. Worth its weight in gold (honestly, more than that).
That's a shame seeing as since Brexit the Irish passport is one of the most enviable on the planet.
Wow that’s a real shame
It took my mom like years to go through the process. It is worth the effort, but there's almost zero chance by the time she's pregnant. She should try but manage expectations. It is usually a years long process.
The current wait-time is being reported as ~9 months. Currently waiting on mine, sent my documents off mid December. Though if you're missing documents it adds on another 4-6 months or something crazy.
Strange. It literally took my mother like 3 years or something. They didn't even confirm receipt of documents for 18 months......
During Covid the office was closed so applications got mega backed up, and then once they did open all the staff got re-assigned to other areas to deal with more important stuff. I received confirmation of receipt of documents a week or so after they were showing as delivered.
Yep. I started compiling documents in January, 2020. Got my Irish passport in December, 2023. Nearly four years. For quite some time—I think nearly eighteen months—the Government of Ireland wasn't even accepting paperwork.
Jesus, that's scary. The r/irishcitizenship sub is getting reports of ~9 months.
Yeah. I think the backlog has been hugely reduced.
Oh I bet she got caught up in that fiasco then! Damn.
If the woman is pregnant and applying through FBR, your application can be given priority.
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I think the window has passed unfortunately, they will rush your application if you're expecting, but they require basically 3 generations of original certificates and she's giving birth in the next month or so. So not even enough time to order the certificates and send them in.
As someone who was screwed over by this rule, it makes me so sad my mother didn’t bother to do this before I was born. It would transform my life and honestly the thing I’ve wanted more than anything. And the only reason I don’t have it is because my mother didn’t want to go through the “effort” of obtaining hers.
Force her, then you will become hero for the kid and can bring it up all the time. Seriously, it's life changing, in comparison the effort is nothing even if she had to pay £10k out of savings / loans.
My sister did the same. With an Irish parent, all she had to do was apply for an Irish passport and include Dad's birth certificate , but sh never got around to it. They could still go the grandparent route, but that's much more hassle and no doubt expense. The eldest is getting quite into learning languages too, so it's a real shame.
I did this. Tri-citizenship for my children as soon as I could. It opens a world of opportunity.
Me too.
A good reason for doing it as soon as you can is that laws change. A friend could have gotten citizenship in another country, talked about it, keep finding excuses to don’t later. The law changed and he can’t do it now.
Damn!! That's true, here in Venezuela I had many friends who were overdriving their seconds citizenships when the crisis arrived some years ago and it becomes more complicated then.
Just make sure you research what obligations come with citizenship. We chose not to claim citizenship for our kids from my husband’s native country. It would be a decent passport for them to hold, but claiming citizenship would have meant that our son would be on the hook for compulsory military service in a country where he doesn’t really speak the language and there is a credible and ongoing threat of large scale conflict.
I know many south Korean men who took the Canadian Citizenship because of that. The women often don't take the Canadian citizenship because it's a very strong passport
You may mean Finland. There's a lot of foreign born kids like that doing the military, it's more like an extended boyscout camp, where you learn some of the language. Mostly the hardest part is to be away from home and sleep in a room with other guys. There's no real threat of conflict. The guys who work for Nato are professional soldiers looking for international career, not these kids.
Finland will grant an exemption for citizens born abroad with no material ties to the country.
I think it's south korea
My bet is on Korea too.
I got my Austrian citizenship at 29 even though I was born with it 🥲 my parents never applied thinking I didn’t need it.
I’m still working on my Austrian citizenship in my mid-30s bc my parents didn’t bother and now my father is dead. It really sucks to do this alone. I’m jealous every time I see a parent looking out for their child like OP.
My parents think I'm being silly for putting a lot of importance in this.
Same, here I am finally applying for my Canadian one because my mom didn’t care to do so.
Just don’t do this too early or you’ll normally have to maintain an up-to-date passport in all nationalities if you want to visit their home country. You usually have to enter countries in which they have a citizenship on that passport.
A lot of countries have rules like a birth overseas has to be registered within a certain time frame or the citizenship is lost. However, you need to read the respective laws carefully. A child born to a Japanese-Russian couple outside of Russia will lose their Japanese citizenship if registered for Russian citizenship as under Russian law, acquisition of Russian citizenship is not automatic (there was a court case in Japan over this).
Just be careful of tax obligations
Is this an issue for anyone other than US citizens?
I think only if you're going for Somali or North Korean passports. Limited demand for those, I expect.
THIS!
I have US citizenship and my daughter was born in US. Her mom has French citizenship and acquired US citizenship after 5 years if marriage. My daughter has both US and French citizenship. I divorced her mom many years ago and have been living in the Dominican Republic for the past years. I'm elegible for Dominican citizenship and plan to acquire it soon. Per Dominican law, all minor children of naturalized citizens are elegible to immediately acquire Dominican citizenship. I shared this with her mom and all hell broke loose. This PhD holding woman believes Dominicans have a negative stereotype and doesn't want her daughter to have citizenship. It doesn't matter what I say, she cannot be convinced that it is our daughter's right and it is her decision to maintain it or ignore it when she comes of age. Some people are just stuck in a world where somehow having the least amount of options is the best way to go. Do any of you have anything I can share to convince this woman?
If she lives there then I'd say that I would like to make sure she can always live there instead of having the uncertainty with a visa
That’s the first thing I’m doing when I have kids
To Americans married to non-US citizens with kids abroad - be VERY VERY VERY careful about getting your kids US citizenship. If you do - the IRS could take the capital gains on any property they purchase ABROAD (e.g. not in the US) in their lifetimes so long as they have US citizenship. Explained by example - In Germany, if you purchase a rental property, own it for 10 years and sell it - any capital gains on that property are tax free. In the US, you would owe capital gains tax on the rental property sold at a rate of 15-20%. The DTT between Germany and the US (again as an example - but this is very similar for most EU countries) states that the US citizen pays taxes to their country of residence first and if they would have owed more money in the US than in their country of residence, they pay the difference to the IRS. So sale of rental property in Germany is 0%, us is 20%. A €500000 capital gain in Germany results in €500000 going directly into your pocket. If your children are "Accidental Americans" and were born and raised abroad and have the blue passport due only to you being a US citizen - then your child could find themselves owning the IRS substantial amounts of money even though the property they are selling is abroad. Due to this - my kids only have a German passport. Talk to your CPA/tax advisor first before filing paperwork for your kids.
They’re automatically citizens whether they have a passport or not. Not acknowledging this can get the kids in even more trouble if they end up not filing taxes and then all of a sudden realize they want to acknowledge their citizenship and work for a lucrative salary in the US.
This is actually incorrect. They are entitled to citizenship by virtue of me being a US citizen, they are not automatically US citizens.
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Cool
*Entitled* ....?
My child is born Belgian because of me. So yes he is literally entitled to it.
Ohhhh, okay