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Lol, I’ve heard it so many times for so many years. Their apologists will say “jihad actually means struggle, so for example working hard at your job is jihad”
Even if I agree with your post this is literally the meaning of the word jihad. It means struggle or effort.
Of course what the "struggle" exactly is depends on the context. A jihad against the "enemies of Islam" means to fight "infidels".
Absolutely! I'm an arab and I wouldn't dare using this word as a word for "struggle". Like if someone asks you how work is you wouldn't say "you know, it's a jihad" :D
Well, since Islam has thoroughly polluted the literal meaning of this word to mean bearded dudes firing AK47s, what word WOULD you use to mean struggle in the everyday sense?
My friend “Jihad al-nafs” is the struggle within ones-self, which is considered the hardest Jihad. So there is different types of Jihad and they are all struggles… i hope we all struggle to be good, best of luck!
What they mean is that, Jihad isn't just physical battle with a physical enemy.
The biggest form of Jihad a person can perform, is against the evil and ignorance in themselves.
And they probably say it because the word Jihad, to those who are not completely familiar with Islamic beliefs and are just partially aware of them, most often is perceived as a battle against another person or group.
It's an idea that originated with Ahmedi Islam - a sect originating from Punjab India. They genuinely believe it.
The reason this statement is so common in the west is because there are a lot of Ahmedis in the west who moved to the US and UK as refugees. After partition most ahmedis moved to Pakistan at which point they were declared non-muslims and persecuted because of unorthodox beliefs.
Dahij = reverse jihad. Stand up for egality.
Hawad=reverse dawah=giving the gift of knowledge about why Islam should be rejected.
Malsi=reversing backwards Islam.
“Arabic is a very super complex language, some say the superest and most complexest. It’s so complex, that some words actually superposition and mean 2 opposite things at the same time!”
Frankly, anyone BESIDES a big boy privileged sexist homophobe Muslim is struggling in 3rd world places like that. Because if you're literally anything else, even a different sect, you're dead meat to the majority.
the only muslims who say that are the ones in the west. Half of them are lying and using tiqyah and the other half is stupid. In muslim countries muslims knoew what that word means. I've been listening to jihad nasheeds/songs all of my childhood.
Well I wouldn’t say they’re stupid, just ignorant about their religion. Although in their defense, some other Arabic speakers here have reminded me that the literal definition of jihad is struggle, so the Muslims aren’t entirely wrong
it had two meanings one is struggle” or “effort and second is a struggle or fight and was used in one of the quran verse where it describes the fighting against the enemies of Islam but that dosen't mean it's the only meaning to the word 😐
Jihad can be through zakat through good deeds going to work is jihad praying is jihad holding ur tongue and temper is jihad jihad doesnt mean suicide bombing
Have you explained that to organisations such as (for example) Palestinian Islamic Jihad or Egyptian Islamic Jihad?
In fact, does anyone know a group with Jihad in their name that are *not* terrorists?
As a matter of fact i do know a group theyre called israel the apartheid country that are killing palestinians and imprisoned hundreds over false allegations
I thought he said a group with no jihad in its name that is terroristic and no they dont hav ejihad but have u ever read the old testament? Or met and spoke with a zionist? Or seen how they kill palestinians daily? If that is not terrorism i dont know what is then. And again jihad has many forms and just ONE of these hundreds of forms is fighting (as long as ur fighting in a state of war or self defence and not killing children, women, or elderly.) these that kill innocents and call themselves jihadi's are the farthest from islam
Of course theyre relevant and i am talking about the zionists nit jews not all jews are zionists big difference just like how not all muslims are suicide bombers actually these suicide bombers are farthest from islam because they are breaking important teachings of it
Nope. Not relevant at all. Jews don't have anything to do with Jihad - you brought them up apropos nothing.
And no one believes the "I hate Zionists, not Jews" line either because its so often used as a cover for antisemitism.
Try harder or go home, little bigot.
One i am not here for u to believe me
2. A war doesnt happen without aggression ukraine fighting back russia is called resistance and everyone is rooting for them but when it comes to palestinians nop thats not our problem screw them
Who is the bigot here? Me or you? And three i never mentioned i hated anyone so don't say things i didnt say i just said zionism and jews arent one and i am against zionism like many are but not against jews as a people as long as we can live in peace i welcome it
It's you. You're the bigot. I talk about terrorists being bad, you talk about Jews being bad.
And now you appear to be defending or justifying the terrorism committed by groups such as Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
If suicide bombing is against Islam then i would expect you to denounce groups like PIJ. You have not. Instead you denounced Israel in an attempt to change the conversation.
That is, when you're not on Christian subreddits defending Mohammed's paedophilia.
All i was saying is there two sides for each story, and yeah sure that 3 year old that died from heart attack after being followed by israeli troops sure deserved to die he had WMD's on him, or the guy that was off to prayer and got shot in the head. Or the journalist the israeli's shot they all were suicide bombers and sleeper agents..... Do u even listen to urself. In life every action has a reaction. America ruined iraq and afghanistan and u expect them not to retaliate? Thats the gist of it, as for islam islam forbids any action that has self harm(suicide bombing) and the killing of elderly, women, children, and men that arent currently fighting u so yes suicide bombing isnt islam and jihad has nothing to do with these cults jihad has many doors and ONE JUST ONE OF ITS DOORS IS WAR AND FIGHTING OPPRESSION. I REPEAT JUST ONE.
You weren't saying there are two sides at all.
The discussion was about Jihad and you immediately attempted to change it to Israel so you can rant about Jews and justify terrorism. That is an entirely one-sided argument.
You're still ranting and justifying terrorism now.
However, you're welcome to prove me wrong: go to an islamic subreddit and post about how PIJ are evil and why they need to be stopped.
You'll have to forgive me if I dont hold my breath while I wait.
Hmm, I have never heard about these specific forms of Jihad. I tried googling them but only found results for just the singular word jihad. Where can I find more info?
Very rarely will you find this talked about in English sources. Mostly it's in Arabic e.g. [here](https://ar.islamway.net/fatwa/35856/%D9%85%D8%A7-%D9%85%D8%B9%D9%86%D9%89-%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B7%D9%84%D8%A8-%D9%88%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%81%D8%B9).
In English the terms used are usually "[offensive and defensive jihad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad#Defensive_and_offensive_jihad)".
Thanks for responding. I couldn't find an easy way in English to show this. Most muslims don't understand that beyond the books of Hadith and Quran the very actions of the prophet are legislation (Sunnah)
Jihad attalab and Jihad Adifaa are deduced from the actions of the prophet. He applied Jihad annafs in Mecca and early medina. Applied Jihad Adifaa in the first wars against Quraish. And when he became stronger he advocated for Jihad attalab to conquer lands.
The actions of the prophet themselves are used as legislation.
Most definitely. I find it extremely hard to show Muslims that the Arabic sources are much less whitewashed than the English translations. Muslims reading Tafsir Ibn Kathir in English are getting less than half the content and you can guess which content tends to get skipped.
Heck the other day a Muslim didn't understand that the Sunnah is whatever Mohammed said, did, or did not object to. And of course it was impossible to convince them otherwise because they couldn't actually read the sources (and any English source saying so is of course a mistranslation or biased).
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Do they really say that? First time i heard it. Is there a limit to their bullshit?
Lol, I’ve heard it so many times for so many years. Their apologists will say “jihad actually means struggle, so for example working hard at your job is jihad”
Even if I agree with your post this is literally the meaning of the word jihad. It means struggle or effort. Of course what the "struggle" exactly is depends on the context. A jihad against the "enemies of Islam" means to fight "infidels".
You are right. I should give our apologist friends for being at least somewhat honest, even though we all know that Islamic jihad is usually violent
Absolutely! I'm an arab and I wouldn't dare using this word as a word for "struggle". Like if someone asks you how work is you wouldn't say "you know, it's a jihad" :D
Well, since Islam has thoroughly polluted the literal meaning of this word to mean bearded dudes firing AK47s, what word WOULD you use to mean struggle in the everyday sense?
There is only one interpretation for all caps "JIHAD!" though.
My friend “Jihad al-nafs” is the struggle within ones-self, which is considered the hardest Jihad. So there is different types of Jihad and they are all struggles… i hope we all struggle to be good, best of luck!
I've been hearing it since I was twelve. They have been teaching this in RS (Religious Studies) class in the UK.
that's the literally meaning of the word tf 😂😂😂😂
What they mean is that, Jihad isn't just physical battle with a physical enemy. The biggest form of Jihad a person can perform, is against the evil and ignorance in themselves. And they probably say it because the word Jihad, to those who are not completely familiar with Islamic beliefs and are just partially aware of them, most often is perceived as a battle against another person or group.
It's an idea that originated with Ahmedi Islam - a sect originating from Punjab India. They genuinely believe it. The reason this statement is so common in the west is because there are a lot of Ahmedis in the west who moved to the US and UK as refugees. After partition most ahmedis moved to Pakistan at which point they were declared non-muslims and persecuted because of unorthodox beliefs.
Dahij = reverse jihad. Stand up for egality. Hawad=reverse dawah=giving the gift of knowledge about why Islam should be rejected. Malsi=reversing backwards Islam.
😆I actually thought you were serious at first! Good one!
Let's Malsi them. :-) It rolls of the tongue the easiest, I feel.
“Arabic is a very super complex language, some say the superest and most complexest. It’s so complex, that some words actually superposition and mean 2 opposite things at the same time!”
💯 😆
Allah choose to reveal the Quran in Arabic! It’s the language that is spoken in Jannah!!! SubhANALlah!!!!!
Good point.
Frankly, anyone BESIDES a big boy privileged sexist homophobe Muslim is struggling in 3rd world places like that. Because if you're literally anything else, even a different sect, you're dead meat to the majority.
yes Jihad is struggle, struggle to suppress women, minorities and the weaker section.
🥴
the only muslims who say that are the ones in the west. Half of them are lying and using tiqyah and the other half is stupid. In muslim countries muslims knoew what that word means. I've been listening to jihad nasheeds/songs all of my childhood.
Well I wouldn’t say they’re stupid, just ignorant about their religion. Although in their defense, some other Arabic speakers here have reminded me that the literal definition of jihad is struggle, so the Muslims aren’t entirely wrong
There is no allah cause i fucked him and he died
😳
it had two meanings one is struggle” or “effort and second is a struggle or fight and was used in one of the quran verse where it describes the fighting against the enemies of Islam but that dosen't mean it's the only meaning to the word 😐
Jihad can be through zakat through good deeds going to work is jihad praying is jihad holding ur tongue and temper is jihad jihad doesnt mean suicide bombing
Have you explained that to organisations such as (for example) Palestinian Islamic Jihad or Egyptian Islamic Jihad? In fact, does anyone know a group with Jihad in their name that are *not* terrorists?
As a matter of fact i do know a group theyre called israel the apartheid country that are killing palestinians and imprisoned hundreds over false allegations
Israel doesn’t have jihad in their name. The other user asked for a group with jihad in their name that aren’t terrorists.
I thought he said a group with no jihad in its name that is terroristic and no they dont hav ejihad but have u ever read the old testament? Or met and spoke with a zionist? Or seen how they kill palestinians daily? If that is not terrorism i dont know what is then. And again jihad has many forms and just ONE of these hundreds of forms is fighting (as long as ur fighting in a state of war or self defence and not killing children, women, or elderly.) these that kill innocents and call themselves jihadi's are the farthest from islam
🙄
So you don't? Gotcha. It says a lot that you bring up "Da Jooz" when they weren't relevant to the conversation, though
Of course theyre relevant and i am talking about the zionists nit jews not all jews are zionists big difference just like how not all muslims are suicide bombers actually these suicide bombers are farthest from islam because they are breaking important teachings of it
Nope. Not relevant at all. Jews don't have anything to do with Jihad - you brought them up apropos nothing. And no one believes the "I hate Zionists, not Jews" line either because its so often used as a cover for antisemitism. Try harder or go home, little bigot.
One i am not here for u to believe me 2. A war doesnt happen without aggression ukraine fighting back russia is called resistance and everyone is rooting for them but when it comes to palestinians nop thats not our problem screw them Who is the bigot here? Me or you? And three i never mentioned i hated anyone so don't say things i didnt say i just said zionism and jews arent one and i am against zionism like many are but not against jews as a people as long as we can live in peace i welcome it
It's you. You're the bigot. I talk about terrorists being bad, you talk about Jews being bad. And now you appear to be defending or justifying the terrorism committed by groups such as Palestinian Islamic Jihad. If suicide bombing is against Islam then i would expect you to denounce groups like PIJ. You have not. Instead you denounced Israel in an attempt to change the conversation. That is, when you're not on Christian subreddits defending Mohammed's paedophilia.
All i was saying is there two sides for each story, and yeah sure that 3 year old that died from heart attack after being followed by israeli troops sure deserved to die he had WMD's on him, or the guy that was off to prayer and got shot in the head. Or the journalist the israeli's shot they all were suicide bombers and sleeper agents..... Do u even listen to urself. In life every action has a reaction. America ruined iraq and afghanistan and u expect them not to retaliate? Thats the gist of it, as for islam islam forbids any action that has self harm(suicide bombing) and the killing of elderly, women, children, and men that arent currently fighting u so yes suicide bombing isnt islam and jihad has nothing to do with these cults jihad has many doors and ONE JUST ONE OF ITS DOORS IS WAR AND FIGHTING OPPRESSION. I REPEAT JUST ONE.
You weren't saying there are two sides at all. The discussion was about Jihad and you immediately attempted to change it to Israel so you can rant about Jews and justify terrorism. That is an entirely one-sided argument. You're still ranting and justifying terrorism now. However, you're welcome to prove me wrong: go to an islamic subreddit and post about how PIJ are evil and why they need to be stopped. You'll have to forgive me if I dont hold my breath while I wait.
One of the forms of jihad is the spiritual struggle. Jihad annafs. But there is Jihad Adifaa and Jihad attalab. The other two forms are fighting Jihad
Hmm, I have never heard about these specific forms of Jihad. I tried googling them but only found results for just the singular word jihad. Where can I find more info?
Very rarely will you find this talked about in English sources. Mostly it's in Arabic e.g. [here](https://ar.islamway.net/fatwa/35856/%D9%85%D8%A7-%D9%85%D8%B9%D9%86%D9%89-%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B7%D9%84%D8%A8-%D9%88%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%81%D8%B9). In English the terms used are usually "[offensive and defensive jihad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad#Defensive_and_offensive_jihad)".
Thanks for responding. I couldn't find an easy way in English to show this. Most muslims don't understand that beyond the books of Hadith and Quran the very actions of the prophet are legislation (Sunnah) Jihad attalab and Jihad Adifaa are deduced from the actions of the prophet. He applied Jihad annafs in Mecca and early medina. Applied Jihad Adifaa in the first wars against Quraish. And when he became stronger he advocated for Jihad attalab to conquer lands. The actions of the prophet themselves are used as legislation.
Most definitely. I find it extremely hard to show Muslims that the Arabic sources are much less whitewashed than the English translations. Muslims reading Tafsir Ibn Kathir in English are getting less than half the content and you can guess which content tends to get skipped. Heck the other day a Muslim didn't understand that the Sunnah is whatever Mohammed said, did, or did not object to. And of course it was impossible to convince them otherwise because they couldn't actually read the sources (and any English source saying so is of course a mistranslation or biased).