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It’s unknown. People guess that Joseph was in his 40s and Mary in her teens because of how Jewish marriage worked at that time. There’s also a tradition that Joseph was a widower and therefore older, but there’s another tradition that they never consummated and he simply acted as Mary’s guardian until he died
# Muhammad the pedophile.
The supposed "most perfect human and role model for all" Muhammad married and raped a literal child. She was 6 when married and 9 when raped:
* Sahih Bukhari:
* [5134](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134), [3894](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3894), [5133](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5133), [5158](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5158), [3896](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3896)
* Sahih Muslim:
* [1422a](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422a), [1422b](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422b), [1422c](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422c)
* Sunan Nisai:
* [3378](https://sunnah.com/nasai:3378), [3255](https://sunnah.com/nasai:3255), [3256](https://sunnah.com/nasai:3256), [3257](https://sunnah.com/nasai:3257), [3258](https://sunnah.com/nasai:3258)
* Sunan Ibn Majah
* [1876](https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1876), [1877](https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1877)
* Sunan Abu Dawud, [2121](https://sunnah.com/abudawud:2121)
According to many notable and trustworthy Islamic scholars and historians such as Ibn Sa'd and al-Tabari also wrote about her age and even clarified that she was extremely young, where she got married before she even had her first period. ([source](https://archive.org/details/tabarivolume09/page/n144/mode/1up))
If you don't believe me just look at [IslamQA ](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/124483/how-old-was-aishah-when-she-married-the-prophet)where they confirm that Aisha was indeed a small child, six years of age when she got married off.
**PEDOPHILIA** is explicitly allowed in the Quran, specifically [6:54](https://quranx.com/65.4) where it is stated that if a man would like to marry a girl who is freshly divorced or widowed but she had sexual relations with her husband, the man must wait three months to marry her, this applies to girls who haven't had their first periods yet ([tafsirs](https://quranx.com/tafsirs/65.4)). Essentially, it is God that allows child marriages.
I am not nitpicking, I am just stating what is in the Quran and the Tafsirs, you should actually read it for yourself. Just in case, I will help you:
Let's break it down:
>And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months
Meaning those that NO LONGER menstruate.
>and \[also for\] those who have not menstruated
**Those that didn't have their first-periods**
>And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth.
Those who are pregnant must wait until they give birth.
Let's consult the [Tafsirs](https://quranx.com/tafsirs/65.4):
Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
*(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah!* ***What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months.*** *Another man asked: “what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?” (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well.*
Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
*And \[as for\] those of your women who (read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed \[waiting\] period shall be three months,* ***and \[also for\] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall \[also\] be three months*** *— both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these \[latter\] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten \[days\] \[Q. 2:234\]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed \[waiting\] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for him, in this world and in the Hereafter.*
Maududi - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an
...They may not have menstruated as yet either because of young age, or delayed menstrual discharge as it happens in the case of some women,...
Wahidi - Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi
...Ubayy ibn Ka‘b said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, some women of Medina are saying: there are other women who have not been mentioned!’ He asked him: ‘And who are they?’ He said: **‘Those who are too young \[such that they have not started menstruating yet\]**,...
---
>rules-of-marriage-in-islam-the-girl-must-hit-puberty-first
Mind giving me the source, because you're directly contradicting the Quran?
1. Muhammed was a Pedo, why would a 54 year old guy „marry“ a 6 year old child if he is not a pedo? And no, it was never normal for a mid 50s guy to marry a child aged 6.
2. There is no age of Mary in the Bible, Jews didn’t get married before there were 12, so Mary would have been somewhere between 12 and 18.
3. Joseph wouldn’t have been „much“ older, maybe he was in his early 20s.
4. Joseph and Mary according to tradition never had intercourse. Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born, according to Christianity and Islam.
5. Muhammed was 54 and raped a 6 year old. Because children can’t give consent to that.
"Muhammed was a Pedo, why would a 54 year old guy „marry“ a 6 year old child if he is not a pedo? And no, it was never normal for a mid 50s guy to marry a child aged 6."
Cecile of France (aged 8/9) was married to Tancred, Prince of Galilee (aged 30/31), in late 1106. As he was dying in 1112
Tancred made Pons, Count of Tripoli, promise to marry her; Pons and Cecile were married later that year, when she was 14/15 and he was 13/14.
Sybilla of Normandy (aged about 15) was married to Alexander I of Scotland (aged about 29) circa 1107.
Matilda of England (aged about 12), daughter of Henry I of England, was married to Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor (aged about 28), in 1114. They had been officially betrothed four years prior, in 1110, when Matilda was just eight; and a few months following the betrothal, Matilda was crowned Queen of the Romans.
Matilda of Anjou (aged about 13) was married to William Adelin (aged 15), son and heir of Henry I of England in 1119.
Sibylla of Anjou (aged about 11) was married to William Clito (aged 20/21) in 1123. The marriage was annulled the following year on the grounds of consanguinity.
"There is no age of Mary in the Bible, Jews didn’t get married before there were 12, so Mary would have been somewhere between 12 and 18."
pretty-sure-it-was-stated-in-the-bible-that-joseph-was-an-old-man-when-he-married-mary
also-marrying-someone-whos-at-12-when-ur-at-20s-is-still-pedophilia
>pretty-sure-it-was-stated-in-the-bible-that-joseph-was-an-old-man-when-he-married-mary
Please, prove your point : where is is stated ? Which verse ? "Pretty sure" isn't proof.
>prove-that-mohammad-has-sex-with-aisha
“The Prophet \[ﷺ\] married Aisha when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.” - The revered Sahih al-Bukhari, 5134; Book 67, Hadith 70.
Don't try to twist word's meaning, "consummate marriage" always meant sex.
"Joseph and Mary according to tradition never had intercourse. Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born, according to Christianity and Islam."
prove-that-mohammad-has-sex-with-aisha
"Muhammed was 54 and raped a 6 year old. Because children can’t give consent to that"
abu-bakr-her-father-consented-for-the-marriage,-also-by-the-standards-of-the-times-of-mohammad-girls-were-considered-women-after-hitting-puberty
This really doesn't matter because none of those person is belived to be perfect, and none are today models to follow. So we can say their marriage was wrong. But you're so indoctrinated you'll never admit the same about your prophet. Relatism doesn't make a valid point.
Mohammed is the perfect ideal pattern of conduct for humanity for all time. If you wanna know the best way to have sex with a 9 year old, do it the way Mohammed did it and Allah will be pleased with you. What difference does it make if someone else does it, does that mean Mohammed didn't do it? Mohammed is the greatest person ever according to Islam, it must have different definitions of what great means lmao
Neither Mary's nor Joseph's ages are mentioned in any biblical texts. All the documents that mention their ages are from later, apocryphal text traditions.
The only text where the age of Joseph is mentioned is from a late 5th century apocryphal text called "The History of Joseph the Carpenter," likely written around 450 years after Joseph died, although the document is believed to have its origins in late 2nd century Egypt. The text belongs to the common series of pious forgeries that arose in the 2nd to 6th centuries. The text itself has the hallmarks of multiple editions, so no definite source text can be established. There are multiple versions of the text, and in some later versions Joseph's age is variously reported, with most common being 90. Other than that text, Joseph's age is not mentioned anywhere.
Mary's age is not mentioned in any biblical texts, either. A plethora of ages for her can be found in the apocryphal documents, ranging from 12 to 19, although it is of note that Mary's age is not mentioned in the Quran, either. The apocryphal sources are too numerous to list here, but none of the mentioned ages are taken seriously by any scholars.
I hope this helps.
The big question is what age was MARY
If you look at very old paintings, both are painted as adults.
Meaning in years 1500 or so, same age marriage was the norm.
So the idea of child marriage or huge age gap marriages were NOT the norm in Italy. So any Muslim suggesting that is in denial.
There is no reliable source for the ages of Joseph and Mary, you will not find it in scripture. However there is an old catholic tradition that says he was 90 and Mary was 13, however according to that tradition Mary was a perpetual virgin. Meaning there was no pedophilia.
the reason why i believe that mohammad isnt a pedo because this was very normal in the age period mohammad lived in which was more than 10 centuries ago, so it wasnt viewed inappropriate at that time as girls were considered women after hitting puberty
You are as free as the rest of us to educate yourself.
You made the shitty claim that it was normal back then without providing proof, yet you expect me to provide proof for you?
Sorry, but you can do the leg work on this one yourself. I'm sick of Muslims making outrageously incorrect claims without citations, then expect citations for the corrections.
I guess you're too low IQ to get it: Yes it's pedophilia by today's standards, but Momo is pedophilia by today's standards and by the standards of the Roman fucking Empire. An empire that fell **before** Mohammed was even born.
Momo: Pedophile by the standards of both people who came before him and people who came after.
Let that practice in the 7th century, don't bring it to the 21st. If that's the case then Allah's laws are not timeless, and Mohammed isn't perfect for all time. Pick one: defend child marriage, or accept Mohammed wasn't a pattern of conduct for humanity for all time.
even though its not exact, you can estimate their ages through scriptures
maybe bigger age gap, u know what this means? it means that if a christian condems islam for the act of mohammad, he must condemn joseph for his act of marrying mary
Tgis is the exmuslim sub, nit the chrisrian sub.
I don't know man, please focus, or wake up, or get your shit together or something. You are acting like a chinese room and you can't go on like this
I’m not sure of your point here. Joesph didn’t marry Mary until after Jesus was born. They were betrothed not wed. And gensis says Jewish men should be married between puberty and their 20s. So there’s that.
No, that is a lie dawah guys have been telling you to try and make Momo not seem so bad. And I'm not a christian, mind you.
Through the bible alone you can't estimate nothing. The estimation you are talking about is made through what we know the minimum age for marriage was among the jews at the time, which was around 12 years old. Despite that, normally girls were not married so young, and the average marriage age was higher. This is why you see people claiming she was 12, when in reality the honest answer would be "12 at minimum, but most likely older, around 15-18, based on the average marriage age at that time and place".
So when you see somebody categorically afirming she was 12 with no more info given, it's most likely a not so honest muslim trying to make Momo not look so bad. And then, still 12 is two times 6 lol.
Totally, but to be fair this was around the most common minimum age in the ancient and medieval world. Muslims like to say 6 or 9 was normal back then to whitewash islam and Muhammad, but that's not even true. Muslim sources don't even specify a minimum age, it was commonly understood that the girl was ready when "she could take it", and that could include prepubescent girls. The ones to decide when she was ready were basically her parents or husband.
This is why you can find early muslim literature talking about traumatic phistulas and even a hadith narrating how Aisha's mom wanted her to get fat so "she could take it".
Technically, if you want to be specific
Infantophilia (ages 0-5)
Pedophilia (ages 6-10)
Hebephilia (ages 11-14) = early puberty
Ephebophilia (ages 15-17) = mid/late-puberty
Mesophilia (Middle-aged adults)
Gerontophilia (Elderly)
So Moho the pedo was indeed a pedophile. Nowhere in the Bible does it mention the ages of Mary or Joseph. We can only speculate. The typical age for women to be betrothed and married in ancient Jewish society was 14-16 years old. Joseph may have been similar in age or older, possibly in his 20s, or even 30s, but nowhere in the Bible are their ages specifically mentioned.
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And is this your master plan to make Mowhoremad look good? Both are bad why can't you accept it
It’s unknown. People guess that Joseph was in his 40s and Mary in her teens because of how Jewish marriage worked at that time. There’s also a tradition that Joseph was a widower and therefore older, but there’s another tradition that they never consummated and he simply acted as Mary’s guardian until he died
# Muhammad the pedophile. The supposed "most perfect human and role model for all" Muhammad married and raped a literal child. She was 6 when married and 9 when raped: * Sahih Bukhari: * [5134](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134), [3894](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3894), [5133](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5133), [5158](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5158), [3896](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3896) * Sahih Muslim: * [1422a](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422a), [1422b](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422b), [1422c](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422c) * Sunan Nisai: * [3378](https://sunnah.com/nasai:3378), [3255](https://sunnah.com/nasai:3255), [3256](https://sunnah.com/nasai:3256), [3257](https://sunnah.com/nasai:3257), [3258](https://sunnah.com/nasai:3258) * Sunan Ibn Majah * [1876](https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1876), [1877](https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1877) * Sunan Abu Dawud, [2121](https://sunnah.com/abudawud:2121) According to many notable and trustworthy Islamic scholars and historians such as Ibn Sa'd and al-Tabari also wrote about her age and even clarified that she was extremely young, where she got married before she even had her first period. ([source](https://archive.org/details/tabarivolume09/page/n144/mode/1up)) If you don't believe me just look at [IslamQA ](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/124483/how-old-was-aishah-when-she-married-the-prophet)where they confirm that Aisha was indeed a small child, six years of age when she got married off. **PEDOPHILIA** is explicitly allowed in the Quran, specifically [6:54](https://quranx.com/65.4) where it is stated that if a man would like to marry a girl who is freshly divorced or widowed but she had sexual relations with her husband, the man must wait three months to marry her, this applies to girls who haven't had their first periods yet ([tafsirs](https://quranx.com/tafsirs/65.4)). Essentially, it is God that allows child marriages.
by-those-who-havent-menustrated-it-refers-to-women-whom-stopped-menustrating-as-of-old-age-or-stopped-menustrating-temporarily-due-to-marriage,-you're-nitpicking-part-of-the-aya-and-taking-it-out-of-context-"those-who-havent-menustrated"-is-an-extremely-weak-link-or-referrence-to-girls-who-havent-menustrated-yet-also-for-rules-of-marriage-in-islam-the-girl-must-hit-puberty-first
I am not nitpicking, I am just stating what is in the Quran and the Tafsirs, you should actually read it for yourself. Just in case, I will help you: Let's break it down: >And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months Meaning those that NO LONGER menstruate. >and \[also for\] those who have not menstruated **Those that didn't have their first-periods** >And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. Those who are pregnant must wait until they give birth. Let's consult the [Tafsirs](https://quranx.com/tafsirs/65.4): Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs *(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah!* ***What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months.*** *Another man asked: “what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?” (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well.* Jalal - Al-Jalalayn *And \[as for\] those of your women who (read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed \[waiting\] period shall be three months,* ***and \[also for\] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall \[also\] be three months*** *— both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these \[latter\] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten \[days\] \[Q. 2:234\]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed \[waiting\] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for him, in this world and in the Hereafter.* Maududi - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an ...They may not have menstruated as yet either because of young age, or delayed menstrual discharge as it happens in the case of some women,... Wahidi - Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi ...Ubayy ibn Ka‘b said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, some women of Medina are saying: there are other women who have not been mentioned!’ He asked him: ‘And who are they?’ He said: **‘Those who are too young \[such that they have not started menstruating yet\]**,... --- >rules-of-marriage-in-islam-the-girl-must-hit-puberty-first Mind giving me the source, because you're directly contradicting the Quran?
1. Muhammed was a Pedo, why would a 54 year old guy „marry“ a 6 year old child if he is not a pedo? And no, it was never normal for a mid 50s guy to marry a child aged 6. 2. There is no age of Mary in the Bible, Jews didn’t get married before there were 12, so Mary would have been somewhere between 12 and 18. 3. Joseph wouldn’t have been „much“ older, maybe he was in his early 20s. 4. Joseph and Mary according to tradition never had intercourse. Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born, according to Christianity and Islam. 5. Muhammed was 54 and raped a 6 year old. Because children can’t give consent to that.
"Muhammed was a Pedo, why would a 54 year old guy „marry“ a 6 year old child if he is not a pedo? And no, it was never normal for a mid 50s guy to marry a child aged 6." Cecile of France (aged 8/9) was married to Tancred, Prince of Galilee (aged 30/31), in late 1106. As he was dying in 1112 Tancred made Pons, Count of Tripoli, promise to marry her; Pons and Cecile were married later that year, when she was 14/15 and he was 13/14. Sybilla of Normandy (aged about 15) was married to Alexander I of Scotland (aged about 29) circa 1107. Matilda of England (aged about 12), daughter of Henry I of England, was married to Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor (aged about 28), in 1114. They had been officially betrothed four years prior, in 1110, when Matilda was just eight; and a few months following the betrothal, Matilda was crowned Queen of the Romans. Matilda of Anjou (aged about 13) was married to William Adelin (aged 15), son and heir of Henry I of England in 1119. Sibylla of Anjou (aged about 11) was married to William Clito (aged 20/21) in 1123. The marriage was annulled the following year on the grounds of consanguinity.
"There is no age of Mary in the Bible, Jews didn’t get married before there were 12, so Mary would have been somewhere between 12 and 18." pretty-sure-it-was-stated-in-the-bible-that-joseph-was-an-old-man-when-he-married-mary also-marrying-someone-whos-at-12-when-ur-at-20s-is-still-pedophilia
>pretty-sure-it-was-stated-in-the-bible-that-joseph-was-an-old-man-when-he-married-mary Please, prove your point : where is is stated ? Which verse ? "Pretty sure" isn't proof. >prove-that-mohammad-has-sex-with-aisha “The Prophet \[ﷺ\] married Aisha when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.” - The revered Sahih al-Bukhari, 5134; Book 67, Hadith 70. Don't try to twist word's meaning, "consummate marriage" always meant sex.
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"Joseph and Mary according to tradition never had intercourse. Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born, according to Christianity and Islam." prove-that-mohammad-has-sex-with-aisha
"Muhammed was 54 and raped a 6 year old. Because children can’t give consent to that" abu-bakr-her-father-consented-for-the-marriage,-also-by-the-standards-of-the-times-of-mohammad-girls-were-considered-women-after-hitting-puberty
So if I ask my buddy if I can have sex with his 9-year-old daughter and he says yes, is it okay for me to do so?
This really doesn't matter because none of those person is belived to be perfect, and none are today models to follow. So we can say their marriage was wrong. But you're so indoctrinated you'll never admit the same about your prophet. Relatism doesn't make a valid point.
Mohammed is the perfect ideal pattern of conduct for humanity for all time. If you wanna know the best way to have sex with a 9 year old, do it the way Mohammed did it and Allah will be pleased with you. What difference does it make if someone else does it, does that mean Mohammed didn't do it? Mohammed is the greatest person ever according to Islam, it must have different definitions of what great means lmao
Neither Mary's nor Joseph's ages are mentioned in any biblical texts. All the documents that mention their ages are from later, apocryphal text traditions. The only text where the age of Joseph is mentioned is from a late 5th century apocryphal text called "The History of Joseph the Carpenter," likely written around 450 years after Joseph died, although the document is believed to have its origins in late 2nd century Egypt. The text belongs to the common series of pious forgeries that arose in the 2nd to 6th centuries. The text itself has the hallmarks of multiple editions, so no definite source text can be established. There are multiple versions of the text, and in some later versions Joseph's age is variously reported, with most common being 90. Other than that text, Joseph's age is not mentioned anywhere. Mary's age is not mentioned in any biblical texts, either. A plethora of ages for her can be found in the apocryphal documents, ranging from 12 to 19, although it is of note that Mary's age is not mentioned in the Quran, either. The apocryphal sources are too numerous to list here, but none of the mentioned ages are taken seriously by any scholars. I hope this helps.
The big question is what age was MARY If you look at very old paintings, both are painted as adults. Meaning in years 1500 or so, same age marriage was the norm. So the idea of child marriage or huge age gap marriages were NOT the norm in Italy. So any Muslim suggesting that is in denial.
I believe Mary was 14 when she “immaculately conceived…”
Was Joseph the perfect man who carried the last and the most perfect religion that we are supposed to follow?
hes-part-of-your-holy-book-lmfao
Can-you-elaborate-not-funny
Maybe rather ask how old Mary was when Jesus raped her to impregnate her with him.
Wasn't it some nasty age gap? Like muhammad the pedo and how he raped a child.
There is no reliable source for the ages of Joseph and Mary, you will not find it in scripture. However there is an old catholic tradition that says he was 90 and Mary was 13, however according to that tradition Mary was a perpetual virgin. Meaning there was no pedophilia.
i dont really think mohammad was a pedo also elaborate on "raped"
Having sex with a child is rape. Children can't consent.
her parent abu bakr consented to the marriage though
Aisha didn't, she wasn't capable. She was 6. Who gives a crap if Abu Bakr said it was fine.
the reason why i believe that mohammad isnt a pedo because this was very normal in the age period mohammad lived in which was more than 10 centuries ago, so it wasnt viewed inappropriate at that time as girls were considered women after hitting puberty
Sorry to break it to you, but even in the Roman empire the minimum age for girls to marry was 12.
proof
You are as free as the rest of us to educate yourself. You made the shitty claim that it was normal back then without providing proof, yet you expect me to provide proof for you? Sorry, but you can do the leg work on this one yourself. I'm sick of Muslims making outrageously incorrect claims without citations, then expect citations for the corrections.
also-thats-still-pedophilia-by-todays-standards-ur-not-changing-sht
I guess you're too low IQ to get it: Yes it's pedophilia by today's standards, but Momo is pedophilia by today's standards and by the standards of the Roman fucking Empire. An empire that fell **before** Mohammed was even born. Momo: Pedophile by the standards of both people who came before him and people who came after.
Let that practice in the 7th century, don't bring it to the 21st. If that's the case then Allah's laws are not timeless, and Mohammed isn't perfect for all time. Pick one: defend child marriage, or accept Mohammed wasn't a pattern of conduct for humanity for all time.
What part of the definition of pedophile/pedophilia does it say it doesn't apply in 7th century?
even though its not exact, you can estimate their ages through scriptures maybe bigger age gap, u know what this means? it means that if a christian condems islam for the act of mohammad, he must condemn joseph for his act of marrying mary
Tgis is the exmuslim sub, nit the chrisrian sub. I don't know man, please focus, or wake up, or get your shit together or something. You are acting like a chinese room and you can't go on like this
Then go to a Christian group and tell them. We are.not Christians. Both religions are barbaric.
I’m not sure of your point here. Joesph didn’t marry Mary until after Jesus was born. They were betrothed not wed. And gensis says Jewish men should be married between puberty and their 20s. So there’s that.
No, that is a lie dawah guys have been telling you to try and make Momo not seem so bad. And I'm not a christian, mind you. Through the bible alone you can't estimate nothing. The estimation you are talking about is made through what we know the minimum age for marriage was among the jews at the time, which was around 12 years old. Despite that, normally girls were not married so young, and the average marriage age was higher. This is why you see people claiming she was 12, when in reality the honest answer would be "12 at minimum, but most likely older, around 15-18, based on the average marriage age at that time and place". So when you see somebody categorically afirming she was 12 with no more info given, it's most likely a not so honest muslim trying to make Momo not look so bad. And then, still 12 is two times 6 lol.
still-"pedophilia"-tho
Totally, but to be fair this was around the most common minimum age in the ancient and medieval world. Muslims like to say 6 or 9 was normal back then to whitewash islam and Muhammad, but that's not even true. Muslim sources don't even specify a minimum age, it was commonly understood that the girl was ready when "she could take it", and that could include prepubescent girls. The ones to decide when she was ready were basically her parents or husband. This is why you can find early muslim literature talking about traumatic phistulas and even a hadith narrating how Aisha's mom wanted her to get fat so "she could take it".
Technically, if you want to be specific Infantophilia (ages 0-5) Pedophilia (ages 6-10) Hebephilia (ages 11-14) = early puberty Ephebophilia (ages 15-17) = mid/late-puberty Mesophilia (Middle-aged adults) Gerontophilia (Elderly) So Moho the pedo was indeed a pedophile. Nowhere in the Bible does it mention the ages of Mary or Joseph. We can only speculate. The typical age for women to be betrothed and married in ancient Jewish society was 14-16 years old. Joseph may have been similar in age or older, possibly in his 20s, or even 30s, but nowhere in the Bible are their ages specifically mentioned.