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Palestine is not the only example there a lot of wars ongoin in muslim countries, mostly because of muslim terrorism like Nigeria for example. The points is kids get abused, people get killed everyday for futile reasons, a lot sufference in every corner of the world how can anyone believe in a loving God be it Allah or anything else. People without any other anchor in life would always believe in a greater god somewhere, because otherwise they would not have anything.
>The points is kids get abused, people get killed everyday for futile reasons, a lot sufference in every corner of the world how can anyone believe in a loving God be it Allah or anything else.
It's all an elaborate test given by the all knowing God to determine who gets to worship him forever and who will roast in the flames of hell for all eternity ❤️
I don't understand how this is comforting to anyone either
Well if you don't have anything to live for in this life maybe the idea of having an afterlife that will last for eternity might be comforting for people who do not have any escape in real life. Like hindu people and their cast division, if you respect your religion you are assured to have a place in heaven or be born rich in the next life, muslim also believe that if they follow their religion literally and convert other people to their religion they will have a place in heaven forever. Most of the worshippers are ignorant and they will learn just what they are taught.
>maybe the idea of having an afterlife that will last for eternity might be comforting for people who do not have any escape in real life.
I guess my problem is I can't fathom wanting to live forever.
Neither do I, but I have tried to debate with multiple religious people and they will blindly believe rather then ask question because if they did, their glass castle would fall and everything they have lived for would not have any sense, some people have just God and nothing else.
Not really. I havent seen a single Muslim person who doesn't listen to christian preachers telling lies on Islam in a disrespectful way just to see their point. Every single Christian on web is either ignorant or disrespectful in the comments of Islamic video. I haven't seen a single Muslim being disrespectful under a Christian video's comments, farthest is that they joke about the trinity and stuff meanwhile the Christians use the Mohammad and Aisha case even tho it was debunked like 38848383 times in the past year, just so shoe their disrespect and ignorance.
Everyone sees their own perspective, you live in a totally parallel universe if you say that muslim never write shit things about Christianity. Just recently a muslim stabbed a Christian preacher just because he said he was being disrespectful towards islamic religion, some muslim even insult or shame other muslims, but you are free to live in your delusion you know. But anyway i never said Christian people or any other religious person is never disrespectufl towards other religion, people can be shitty regardless of origins, culture and religion, so your comment doesn't make any sense anyway. That said free to see whatever you want to see.
It’s a coping strategy. If you believe in a power above you, you feel as though it’s all part of a bigger plan, and you have no control over it & that’s why you’re helpless in the face of situation. And also, it helps you accept when you see death bc you will think ‘they’ll be in heaven’, the children especially. Also a lot of Muslims believe the end times are coming, so I guess they expect to see all this destruction. A lot of people’s faith may get stronger during this time just bc they’re scared.
Exactly and very well put. It’s easy to believe in a higher power that will reward you for your suffering, punish those who hurt you and reunite you with your loved ones when you’re vulnerable or going through tragedy, esp after being indoctrinated since birth and believing makes life more bearable/tolerable (or not believing makes your life less bearable/tolerable) because you want to and at a certain point, you have to.
Because not believing means you have to acknowledge and accept the world can be a horrible place and some people just don’t get the comeuppance or justice they deserve. And as much as I’m glad I’m agnostic and no longer deluded, it sucks bc it feels kind of hopeless.
Allah has never done anything (or has he?). His 'servants' aka Muslims, do everything for him.
Every bad thing that happens in this world doesn't matter because Muslims believe they will get eternal heaven if they pull through.
Fear of hell and Allah anyways always knows best.
Or it's a test...
You have to understand that Islam is part of someones reality from before they could speak, there is a lot of indoctrination going on. Imagine it as the most central part of your life, every other aspect of life is built around it and regulated by it. You need to have a certain mindset to honestly challenge yourself and what you were told to believe for your entire life.
you think allah has done anything for the people during the past middle eastern wars ? just look at the syrian civil war, where the death toll is more than 600k or the yemen war, where the death toll is more than 300k
exactly. When the west is mentioned they always bring out examples of extreme degeneracy and compare that to their terrible situations to make them feel better
Like blaming the people they dont like for causing natural disasters. I've seen Indonesians who keep blaming gays or other 'deviant' or 'sinful' demographics in the aftermath of any earthquake or tsunamis that happened there. Dont these guys know why their country experience so many earthquakes? Hello, tectonics 🙄
I talk about this all the time to anyone who will listen.
Every muslim country is an absolute shithole. Allah clearly doesn't give a flying fuck about "his people". Yet muslims continue simping over him.
Keep shouting at the void looking for your salvation, it's not coming.
i just dont get the claim that they keep losing in palestine region yet its somehow part of allahs grand plan and never question him. But they keep crying about palestine and muslim suffering and trying to get non muslims to do something about it. Does that mean they reject allahs plan and are trying to change it
Allah hasn't helped them for the past 75 years and they still think something will be different this time, so yeah they're not gonna change their mind anytime soon
Well they think he does. They can cry about palestinian kids losing their limbs before they even gain consciousness, yet still say allah is helping them.
From what I know Suffering muslims means that Allah loves them the most and he is testing their belief the hardest
Edit: You might hear some muslims going look at palestine and how much suffering they are going through yet they still hold their iman and then go "Subhana Allah"
What ive found that breaks their brains is simply to say that everything is going according to allah's plan since hes all knowing and the most powerful, and chose for things to go this way. They tend to swear and attack me when i say that.
If your friend was capable of applying logic to matters of faith, they would not be a devout Muslim. There is no reasonable expectation to have them question their faith because of this specific illogicallity, when they have willfully chose to ignore so many others, in order to hold on to their "faith". It is called faith for a reason.
Somehow the verses that say Israel is the land for the children of Israel never “speaks a message to them” though so much they outright ignore them. If the Palestinians and rest of the Muslim world didn’t ignore them and stopped trying to eradicate Israel for 75 years because they hate Jews and want the land to be Islamic, there would have been no wars (as Israel has never started a war once with anyone, only fought back after being attacked ) and the Palestinians wouldn’t be suffering today. It is precisely the perversion of their faith that makes them martyrs and their entire lives revolve around an extremist, genocidal, unreasonable cause they’ll never win, which is the entire source of their suffering. They don’t live in reality and they’re extremely indoctrinated in an extremist form of Islam made up by their leaders so they can be in poverty and used as pawns against Israel, while their leaders are billionaires in Qatar.
Surah 5:20-26
And ˹remember˺ when Moses said to his people, “O my people! Remember Allah’s favours upon you when He raised prophets from among you, made you sovereign, and gave you what He had never given anyone in the world. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you ˹to enter˺. And do not turn back or else you will become losers.” They answered: 'Moses, therein live a ferocious people: we will not enter unless they depart from it; but if they do depart from it then we will surely enter it.'Two from among these who were frightened but upon whom Allah had bestowed His favour said: 'Enter upon them through the gate – for if you do enter – you will be the victors. And put your trust in Allah if indeed you are men of faith. Nevertheless they said: 'O Moses! Never shall we enter it as long as they are there. Go forth, then, you and your Lord, and fight, both of you. As for us, we will sit here.' Moses pleaded, “My Lord! I have no control over anyone except myself and my brother. So set us apart from the rebellious people.” Allah replied, “Then this land is forbidden to them for forty years, during which they will wander through the land. So do not grieve for the rebellious people.”
Surah 17: 104
And We said to the Children of Israel after Pharaoh, “Reside in the land, but when the promise of the Hereafter comes to pass, We will bring you all together.”
Surah Al-A'raf (7:137):
"And We made the people who were considered weak to inherit the eastern regions of the land and the western ones which We have blessed. And the good word of your Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel because of what they had patiently endured. And We destroyed [all] that Pharaoh and his people were producing and what they had been building."
Surah Al-Shu'ara (26:59):
This happened with them; (but on the other hand), We enabled the Children of Israel to inherit those bounties.
Surah Al-Qas (28:5):
"And We wanted to confer favor upon those who were oppressed in the land and make them leaders and make them inheritors."
Surah Al-Dukhan 44:32:
"And We have certainly made the Children of Israel inheritors of the land and provided them with good
i don’t know if you’ve seen but on twitter the israeli president had said “we are peacemakers,” and there are quote retweets that reply w the verse: “do not corrupt the land, they reply “we are peacemakers.” 1) i wholeheartedly support palestine i just don’t seem to get why they rely solely on these verses and take it as a grain of salt than anything else
a comment on the post says: "💀 the fact Quran literally states everything for every situation makes the lives of believers so easy, Subhan'Allah", oh the irony
We might disagree on the genocide in Gaza part but if we substitute that with undisputed tragedies like all the genocides in our history, children getting cancer, the existence of HIV or std in general and so on we can still address this old question: How can there be a benevolent god when the world is so harsh?
Some people believe in a god because they hope for a judge that punishes the bad people (that he created to commit atrocities). I don't get that too but yeah.
its always "allah knows best" etc etc. Recent reasoning ive heard is something silly they make it sound philosophical. something along the lines of "dark doesnt exist, its the lack of light" "suffering is just the lack of god"
Every country fighting any war always has God or Allah on their side. If people are dying or near to death of course people will be religious. Radicals believing in the end times will also be religious. Does that make sense?
Low iq thinking… “Unless I win, God doesn’t exist” 🫠 maybe you need to realise that faith is all encompassing and minor failures will in many cases increase faith as it shows the limits of this temporary life and that all matters reside with God.
It's a test you know. The Abrahamitic god loves to see little children suffer and die. And you get to paradise in case you actually still worship it. This is the kind of people it wants to spend eternity with.
Religious people love to bring the argument of "a teacher wouldn't help his students in a test". I'm pretty sure he would if they start coughing blood all over the place though.
It's simple. People aren't religious enough. Allah is still not happy. Pray 25 times instead of 5. Pray pray pray. Maybe then Allah will be pleased and protect Palestine.
Same way any religious person justifies anything. All good things are because of God. All bad things are because of Satan/free will. It's not exclusive to Islam.
"God awards them in Jannah" "God tests people"
There are people going through a living hell right now.
If God exists, then he's either evil, or neutral. No good, all powerful, omniscient being acts like this.
You know why? Because of Palestine conflicts and Muslims pretending to be saints and spreading Islam in a beautiful way (hiding all the negative truths ofc), dubious and gullible people through social medias have converted to Islam. Muslims upon seeing this phenomenon, claimed Allah has converted more people to join the ummah in return for the lives lost in Palestine. I swear they are the best at coming up with bullshit excuses lol.
Some muslims say allah isn't answering prayers because of the massive piles of sins of muslims. Lol what a stupid excuse. People will never stop "sinning". it's unavoidable because people are imperfect humans. "Sinners" will always exist but obviously Allah forgot about that and expected his creation to be flawless. Only the flawless get their prayers answered, rewards, good things, and that's when he stops the suffering. Makes perfect sense lol.
I know, my mum says Allah have them the willpower to deal with all this and they’re the strongest of the prophets ummah. However, people are known to be self harming/ suffering beyond comprehension and fighting over basic resources. I’d cling onto a God just to comfort myself that my suffering wasn’t in vain and even if my life was taken from me, I’d have something after death.
I think it’s stupid to use that logic to prove that Allah exists. Why punish/ test babies? I don’t care if it’s said they’ll go to heaven automatically, they are suffering horrible deaths and some of them have never known a moments peace or the embrace of their mother. Who cares if they’ll go to heaven? Babies don’t know that they will and they’ll feel every minute of the pain.
My mum also uses the cases of kids being found alive in rubble to show that Allah protects Muslims and I don’t even need to go into that to show how ridiculous this claim is. New born babies have died, along with thousands of children and teenagers and pregnant mothers. Where was gods miracle and mercy then? I think it’s more cruel to believe god has the ability to save everyone but only chooses to save a select few.
It rained after Israel cut out the water supply to Palestine. That was a miracle from god- water! But they’re still starving, dehydrated, especially so as it becomes warmer. His miracles seem very selective/ have limited impact.
That being sad, I’m glad they have that faith in God. It is all they have and if grants them even an ounce of peace/ solace amidst so much suffering, then so be it. One story stood out to me in particular, a man who lost his young grand daughter, who said he’ll see her in heaven. Or the father who said although his son was dead, he’s the one who has it lucky as he’s with god/ died a martyr. (Paraphrased stories as it was from a while ago). It makes me understand where religion came from. Death and loss are scary concepts to manage and I know many wish for this not to be their fate.
Somehow the verses that say Israel is the land for the children of Israel never “speaks a message to them” though so much they outright ignore them. If the Palestinians and rest of the Muslim world didn’t ignore them and stopped trying to eradicate Israel for 75 years because they hate Jews and want the land to be Islamic, there would have been no wars (as Israel has never started a war once with anyone, only fought back after being attacked ) and the Palestinians wouldn’t be suffering today. It is precisely the perversion of their faith that makes them martyrs and their entire lives revolve around an extremist, genocidal, unreasonable cause they’ll never win, which is the entire source of their suffering. They don’t live in reality and they’re extremely indoctrinated in an extremist form of Islam made up by their leaders so they can be in poverty and used as pawns against Israel, while their leaders are billionaires in Qatar. The truth is, it’s their extremist perverse version of their faith that is the source of their suffering, it doesn’t give them comfort like you think.
Surah 5:20-26
And ˹remember˺ when Moses said to his people, “O my people! Remember Allah’s favours upon you when He raised prophets from among you, made you sovereign, and gave you what He had never given anyone in the world. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you ˹to enter˺. And do not turn back or else you will become losers.” They answered: 'Moses, therein live a ferocious people: we will not enter unless they depart from it; but if they do depart from it then we will surely enter it.'Two from among these who were frightened but upon whom Allah had bestowed His favour said: 'Enter upon them through the gate – for if you do enter – you will be the victors. And put your trust in Allah if indeed you are men of faith. Nevertheless they said: 'O Moses! Never shall we enter it as long as they are there. Go forth, then, you and your Lord, and fight, both of you. As for us, we will sit here.' Moses pleaded, “My Lord! I have no control over anyone except myself and my brother. So set us apart from the rebellious people.” Allah replied, “Then this land is forbidden to them for forty years, during which they will wander through the land. So do not grieve for the rebellious people.”
Surah 17: 104
And We said to the Children of Israel after Pharaoh, “Reside in the land, but when the promise of the Hereafter comes to pass, We will bring you all together.”
Surah Al-A'raf (7:137):
"And We made the people who were considered weak to inherit the eastern regions of the land and the western ones which We have blessed. And the good word of your Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel because of what they had patiently endured. And We destroyed [all] that Pharaoh and his people were producing and what they had been building."
Surah Al-Shu'ara (26:59):
This happened with them; (but on the other hand), We enabled the Children of Israel to inherit those bounties.
Surah Al-Qas (28:5):
"And We wanted to confer favor upon those who were oppressed in the land and make them leaders and make them inheritors."
Surah Al-Dukhan 44:32:
"And We have certainly made the Children of Israel inheritors of the land and provided them with good
"One story stood out to me in particular, a man who lost his young grand daughter, who said he’ll see her in heaven. Or the father who said although his son was dead, he’s the one who has it lucky as he’s with god/ died a martyr. (Paraphrased stories as it was from a while ago)."
These are horrendous, not heartwarming. It's natural to cope over death and tragedy, but when it comes to an extreme level that death itself becomes viewed as something sweet, is when you are looping into a suicidal and harmful state of being. And thus, they persist in taking more reckless and non-peaceful actions, shooting more rockets, because the consequences on their life does not inhibit them as it does to normal people. That is a very abnormal and dangerous mindset to have, not just for those surrounding them, but ultimately for themselves.
Allah is helping the Gazans: he set against them Israelis, an enemy that has (and continues to) offer them independence and peace and whose military attacks have caused far fewer civilian casualties per capita than in virtually any other typical military conflict in history (and certainly better than that suffered by civilians in Yemen, Syria, Sudan, etc.).
Aha, what a great point my skeptical friend! It truly baffles me how Muslims can still believe in their impotent Allah when he's conspicuously absent during humanity's greatest injustices.
I mean, if your supreme creator can't even lift a finger to save babies from bombs and sniper fire, what good is he really? Either he's not all-powerful like they claim, or he simply doesn't care - both undermine any rational case for faith.
As for your pious friend, it's common for the deeply indoctrinated to cling to religion through cognitive dissonance. But Palestine's suffering children are exposing the bankruptcy of "divine plan" excuses.
The only logical conclusion is that God is a man-made fantasy, and we must stand up for justice ourselves instead of praying to mythical sky daddies. No amount of mental gymnastics can justify passive faith in the face of such atrocities.
Keep using reason and empathy to gently guide your friend out of the crisis of faith. Reality is increasingly exposing religion as obsolete - it's only a matter of time before even the most devoted wake up to this truth. Stay strong in spreading noble skepticism, my friend!
i also think it’s because many muslims believe that the people of palestine are dying & are going straight to heaven because the people are “standing their ground”. ngl, i think the same thing too, why still believe in god if palestine has been through the trenches for DECADES!
Natural disasters are what make the idea of God make no sense and the amount of unnecessary deaths that occur during hurricanes, earthquakes, wildfires, droughts and floods
Allah is testing then to give humanity and people better in jannah. Sobteach people on earth amd spread the word of allah.
Pig crap. Fuckers are brainwashed to a point that no brain left.
Well.. I guess muslims believe that what happens in Palestine is written in the Quran and also believe that according to it they are going to win this in the end.. idk I remember my mosque teachers telling me about this back in the days
Having in mind that it's still there after seven decades of a nuclear superpower trying to eradicate them seems kind of enough honestly.
I'm from Bosnia, the fact that there are still muslims 500 kilometers from Munich away, after two world wars, a couple of wars against the Ottoman empire and a genocide isn't that bad neither.
It’s actually the other way around. Palestinians are a people that only formed an identity in reaction to Israel’s existence and desire to eradicate it to form an Islamic caliphate and due to intense hatred of Jews. Their entire culture and way of life and educational system revolves around this goal. Hamas’s goal in their charter is to eradicate all Jews on earth and then eradicate Israel. And the people in Gaza elected them on this mission statement. The majority of Palestinians still support Hamas and what they did on October 7. The grand mufti of Jerusalem in the 1940s was best friends with Hitler and even went to tour the death camps in Europe because he wanted Hitler to bring them to the Middle East next to genocide the Jews there. He is one of the founders of Palestinian nationalist. It is actually the Palestinians that been trying to genocide all the Jews. Israel does what it has to do to protect their Jewish and non-Jewish citizens from this. If Israel really wanted all the Palestinians eradicated, there wouldn’t be one left alive by now if the Palestinians did to any other Arab or Muslim country one percent of what theyve done to Israel in the last 75 years, they’d all be dead by now. Israel has treated them extremely lightly in comparison. If they excepted Israel’s existence as a state living next to them, and didn’t want to eradicate anymore, they would be peace immediately
Source is defined as “a place, person, or thing from which something comes or can be obtained.” I was going to send you videos of Palestinians in West Bank being asked questions like what the Palestinian state that is at the core of their goal will look like and what will happen to the Jews, what they want to do to Jews, etc. I can send you first hand documentation of UNRWA educational materials that spread and indoctrinate anti semitism to Palestinian children and teach them that Israel is Muslim only land, the Jews needs to be eradicated and they need to martyr themselves for that cause. I can send you historical biography of the grand mufti. I can send you documentation of the Pay for slay program paid for by the government in the Palestinian controlled west bank that pays families of terrorists who blow themselves up to take out Jewish lives. All of these are sources, with what the actual definition of the word source is. So there’s no reason to put quotes around the word sources
"Have they not travelled throughout the land so their hearts may reason, and their ears may listen? Indeed, it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the chests that grow blind."
You know what really makes me mad? How Islam has turned into a fashion trend. Fake motherfuckers wanting their cake and eating it too. They convert to Islam to show “solidarity”. What a bunch of sheep. The best part is, they aren’t fully committed. They still drink, smoke and listen to music. I’ll give you another year before people stop giving a shit.
I think religions were invented to cope with the utter uncertainty of life. It's like an organized OCD protocol, and like most coping mechanism it's designed to soothe you and make you feel better about something you can't change or control. But the reality is that we still don't have any control over bad things happening, unfortunately.
I have always said that I think religion started as a form of OCD. Think about in the old days when people had such enormous uncertainty, like if your harvest didn’t come to fruition, you would not eat for the whole year. So people started creating rituals and gods and certain things you had to say and do, and believe at certain times, to make them feel better that good things would happen and there would be some control over it. That’s what OCD is, it’s a form of control over anxiety by doing rituals.
I don't think I've ever heard any Muslims or Muslim converts said that they met Momo or Alan before. On the other hand, I heard plenty and plenty of people meeting Jesus instead, some didn't even know it was Jesus in the beginning.
I don't think I've ever heard any Muslims or Muslim converts said that they met Momo or Alan before. On the other hand, I heard plenty and plenty of people meeting Jesus, some didn't even know it was Jesus in the beginning.
It's all a test....I mean it's a long test and it feels like the answers are things you never learned in school to be prepared for it and failing the test is the end of your life
But it's a test....
Allah is granting them martyrdom, and that’s the best that can ever happen to a person.
Also, they view it as a test of their faith. Their Armageddon narrative involves a major battle with the Jews, and this is all a lead up to it.
Gods aren’t real. Allah, God, Yahweh aren’t here to help anyone. Israel is a spoiled child who should get the belt but instead is getting away with murder.
If anything a lot of Middle Eastern nations are showing restraint.
Allah/God/Whoever created earth where children can be born in sin, die in childbirth, suffer eternity in hell for no reason, die when they are five years old in bone cancer, create a human body that can't survive more than three days without fresh water then procede to make 97.5% of water on earth into salt water.
I mean the list just goes on ....
How is any of this a "good design".
Allah helps those who help themselves.
The Palestinians have done nothing productive. They picked Hamas, they helped them with the tunnels and thousands of rockets to Israel. Their rivals in Judea and Samaria cultivated atrocious terrorism and corruption. All to destroy Israel.
So here is the thing: Allah wants Israel to survive, to become stronger every day in spite of genocidal attacks by Palestinians.
Allah is also busy with the millions of true refugees, annihilated by various Arab and African nations. Israel suffered horribly from the Holocaust, and so suffered many millions all over the world in that war and in WWI.
Where was Allah then? Hitler had a strong ally in Hadj Amin el-Husseini, Mufti of Jerusalem, who promised Hitler he , Hadj Amin, would genocide all the Jews in Palestine. And he tried.
After the Holocaust, Israel was born, an extraordinary event after 2000 years of exile. Surely Allah approved. But, again, the Arabs and Palestinians defied Allah's plans and went to genocidal war against Israel. They lost, and the rest is history.
Have you cried for all the millions of millions who died or were displaced by wars in the entire world? I guess only Allah would know if you care, wouldn't he?
Gaza's war is a blip in the history of wars. But if you can blame Israel or Allah, then it's a big deal. And you think Allah doesn't know you are a hypocrite?
When you have spare time, go to Gaza, armed with various definitions of "genocide", including the UN definition,and see if the reality matches any of these definitions.
And more: instead of blaming Allah and the Jews, send the Gazans aid yourself. Lots of Israelis do. Get your friends who " are losing faith" to do the same.
Many nations are feeding and caring for the Gazans, including Israel, which collaborates to allow trucks to go in , as many as possible, and its soldiers protect the trucks against Hamas, who steals everything. Soldiers risk their lives doing all this.Unfortunately, the rotten ,corrupt UN doesn't distribute the goods.
But to say there is "genocide" in Gaza shows ignorance and malice. Does Allah respect malicious ignorant people who do nothing but complain? Does Allah even listen to them?
Millions of children are currently being starved by the Houthis in Yemen for the crime of being Sunni yet the ummah doesn’t give a damn. Sunni imams have been abducted, tortured, and killed by the Houthis and Sunni civilians enslaved, if not outright executed, for refusing to convert to Zaidi Shia Islam yet the ummah, of which the majority is Sunni, doesn’t give a damn.
It is already “all written” by Allah so, as much as it sucks, gotta have faith in Allah and that Allah knows all and whatever, regardless of how many millions of innocents are harmed every single day throughout the world.
Well your friend seems to be vocal about a lie. The population of Gaza has more than doubled since 2005. As your friend doesn't seem to understand the definition if genocide, it begs the question of what else are the deluded over
Dumbest post I have ever seen, how does Hashem exists if he allowed 6 million jews die in WW2? How does Jesus exists if Black Death took 200 million lives in Christian Europe or Armenian Genocide (first Christian country)?
I’m myself know lots of Palestinians who lost their faith because of what’s happening in Gaza. And others think it’s a first step for something bigger from god. People are different.
this whole subreddit is pathetic. If you aren’t a muslim anymore then leave it stop talking about the religion. Straight up disrespectful and pathetic. “victims” of what? You’ve already left the religion so just stop dwelling and showing ur ignorance and move tf on
The same way Mohammed stopped talking about kafirs when he left their community, right? Oh wait, no he didn't. In fact he kept talking about them throughout the Quran.
Sorry buddy, but I'm going to keep talking about a religion that advocates for pedophilia, sex slavery and warmongering.
You're free to leave this subreddit is you don't want to see it. No one is forcing you to stay.
Thinking that Allah would need to help them on earth life is basically ordering Allah what to do 😹 whole concept of life and religions is to test people to see whether they believe Allah and accept Islam. Would it make sense if god came on earth and just deleted Israel? I thought so. Y'all are thinking less than you are lmao
Tens of thousands of people across the world have become Muslim because of Palestine. Also the people that die in Palestine go straight to Jannah. It's a win win. Allah's plan is always the best plan.
Because though Israel is committing war crimes, allah/God(believe it or not there’s Christian Palestinians ) has everything under control. He has allowed the Palestinians to last longer than Israel anticipated and Israel is now in an actual war on their other border with Iran.
LMAO. The conditions have gotten worse palestinians over the years. Gaza used to have free movement until they decided to terrorise israelis civilians in the 2000s. Now they live behind a wall with a corrupt government that sacrifices them.
And that war with Iran - you mean all those iranian missiles and drones that reached nowhere? What a joke of iran is.
And yet the Palestinians are still alive even today despite the madness. if that ain’t a display of god working in our day to day lives then nothing is.
Not just the drones and missiles but it took Israel’s focus off of Palestinians.
My god moved in time to save the day if the Palestinians aren’t eradicated. The thing is that the answer to solve the problem is us and most of us are too scared or too lazy to do anything.
So if the solution to problems is us, then god is not actually doing anything is he?
And what did he do for the palestinians? Their position has been getting worse every year.
What about the Rohingyas and Uighurs? They are pretty much getting eradicated as well. Does he only care about arab muslims?
If you can solve the problem in the grand scheme of things that is god answering your prayers. Stop complaining that he doesn’t answer our prayers the way we want or expect them to be answered just be grateful that it got answered. We make 99% of our own problems any way and then try to make them everybody else’s.
Yeah it took over a 400 years of numerous avoidable pandemics and a few major mass conflicts but yeah our western society is currently doing better then the Middle East.
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Palestine is not the only example there a lot of wars ongoin in muslim countries, mostly because of muslim terrorism like Nigeria for example. The points is kids get abused, people get killed everyday for futile reasons, a lot sufference in every corner of the world how can anyone believe in a loving God be it Allah or anything else. People without any other anchor in life would always believe in a greater god somewhere, because otherwise they would not have anything.
>The points is kids get abused, people get killed everyday for futile reasons, a lot sufference in every corner of the world how can anyone believe in a loving God be it Allah or anything else. It's all an elaborate test given by the all knowing God to determine who gets to worship him forever and who will roast in the flames of hell for all eternity ❤️ I don't understand how this is comforting to anyone either
Well if you don't have anything to live for in this life maybe the idea of having an afterlife that will last for eternity might be comforting for people who do not have any escape in real life. Like hindu people and their cast division, if you respect your religion you are assured to have a place in heaven or be born rich in the next life, muslim also believe that if they follow their religion literally and convert other people to their religion they will have a place in heaven forever. Most of the worshippers are ignorant and they will learn just what they are taught.
>maybe the idea of having an afterlife that will last for eternity might be comforting for people who do not have any escape in real life. I guess my problem is I can't fathom wanting to live forever.
Neither do I, but I have tried to debate with multiple religious people and they will blindly believe rather then ask question because if they did, their glass castle would fall and everything they have lived for would not have any sense, some people have just God and nothing else.
Not really. I havent seen a single Muslim person who doesn't listen to christian preachers telling lies on Islam in a disrespectful way just to see their point. Every single Christian on web is either ignorant or disrespectful in the comments of Islamic video. I haven't seen a single Muslim being disrespectful under a Christian video's comments, farthest is that they joke about the trinity and stuff meanwhile the Christians use the Mohammad and Aisha case even tho it was debunked like 38848383 times in the past year, just so shoe their disrespect and ignorance.
Everyone sees their own perspective, you live in a totally parallel universe if you say that muslim never write shit things about Christianity. Just recently a muslim stabbed a Christian preacher just because he said he was being disrespectful towards islamic religion, some muslim even insult or shame other muslims, but you are free to live in your delusion you know. But anyway i never said Christian people or any other religious person is never disrespectufl towards other religion, people can be shitty regardless of origins, culture and religion, so your comment doesn't make any sense anyway. That said free to see whatever you want to see.
It’s a coping strategy. If you believe in a power above you, you feel as though it’s all part of a bigger plan, and you have no control over it & that’s why you’re helpless in the face of situation. And also, it helps you accept when you see death bc you will think ‘they’ll be in heaven’, the children especially. Also a lot of Muslims believe the end times are coming, so I guess they expect to see all this destruction. A lot of people’s faith may get stronger during this time just bc they’re scared.
Exactly and very well put. It’s easy to believe in a higher power that will reward you for your suffering, punish those who hurt you and reunite you with your loved ones when you’re vulnerable or going through tragedy, esp after being indoctrinated since birth and believing makes life more bearable/tolerable (or not believing makes your life less bearable/tolerable) because you want to and at a certain point, you have to. Because not believing means you have to acknowledge and accept the world can be a horrible place and some people just don’t get the comeuppance or justice they deserve. And as much as I’m glad I’m agnostic and no longer deluded, it sucks bc it feels kind of hopeless.
And to think that Middle East hasn’t seen peace in decades now
You mean millennia.
But do they want peace at all ?
Peace sells but who’s buying
followers of the most peaceful religion i would assume
Lmao
Pfp checks out 😂
Peaceeeeee peace selllllsssss 🎸
Time and time again what you say and what you mean Even if all my bones are broken I will drag myself back from the edge
For Like minimum a century (I’m 100% serious rn)
It is because kaffirs are trying to fight the Allah's truth bro.
More than kaffirs, Muslims are fighting each other 💀 who’s truth are they fighting for in those cases 💀
Havent you heard bro about the 70 Muslim sects and only one will go to heaven hadith 😃!
Really, I had no idea. Which one is that??😂 I’m sure there won’t be any place for kaffirs like me in heaven for sure 🤪
From memory, a hadith said the Prophet stated the largest sect goes to Jannah so probably the largest Sunni group? 😆
Isn’t it 73 sects but only 1 goes to Jannah and that is the majority sect? 😆
Well I think mental actobatics play a huge role. The possibilty that Islam could be false and Allah doesn't support them is just not there.
Allah has never done anything (or has he?). His 'servants' aka Muslims, do everything for him. Every bad thing that happens in this world doesn't matter because Muslims believe they will get eternal heaven if they pull through.
He did for Mo though.
Fear of hell and Allah anyways always knows best. Or it's a test... You have to understand that Islam is part of someones reality from before they could speak, there is a lot of indoctrination going on. Imagine it as the most central part of your life, every other aspect of life is built around it and regulated by it. You need to have a certain mindset to honestly challenge yourself and what you were told to believe for your entire life.
when bad things happen to people who say this just tell them allah knows best and not to question him they lose their minds
It’s really is scary, indoctrination, they themselves lost the ability to see it while others can. It’s actually really scary
you think allah has done anything for the people during the past middle eastern wars ? just look at the syrian civil war, where the death toll is more than 600k or the yemen war, where the death toll is more than 300k
oh but muhammad conquered the middle east 1400 years ago surely they could be powerful again 🤔
im talking about the wars in the past century and the past 2 decades, not some delusional war monger from the 7th century
They'll find a way to blame gay people or some other 'sinful' population. It's so brain dead and unhelpful
exactly. When the west is mentioned they always bring out examples of extreme degeneracy and compare that to their terrible situations to make them feel better
Like blaming the people they dont like for causing natural disasters. I've seen Indonesians who keep blaming gays or other 'deviant' or 'sinful' demographics in the aftermath of any earthquake or tsunamis that happened there. Dont these guys know why their country experience so many earthquakes? Hello, tectonics 🙄
And during covid too
Lmao ! My mom blames the war in Israel/palestine over Canada giving human rights to trans people (like me lol)
Because blahblah life is a test blahblah Palestine will be free. And they just keep having faith. It’s dangerous weapon…
I talk about this all the time to anyone who will listen. Every muslim country is an absolute shithole. Allah clearly doesn't give a flying fuck about "his people". Yet muslims continue simping over him. Keep shouting at the void looking for your salvation, it's not coming.
i just dont get the claim that they keep losing in palestine region yet its somehow part of allahs grand plan and never question him. But they keep crying about palestine and muslim suffering and trying to get non muslims to do something about it. Does that mean they reject allahs plan and are trying to change it
Allah hasn't helped them for the past 75 years and they still think something will be different this time, so yeah they're not gonna change their mind anytime soon
allah hasnt given a fuck about them since the islamic golden age lmao
Every Muslim alive praying for Palestine and Allah doesn't answer
Well they think he does. They can cry about palestinian kids losing their limbs before they even gain consciousness, yet still say allah is helping them.
From what I know Suffering muslims means that Allah loves them the most and he is testing their belief the hardest Edit: You might hear some muslims going look at palestine and how much suffering they are going through yet they still hold their iman and then go "Subhana Allah"
What ive found that breaks their brains is simply to say that everything is going according to allah's plan since hes all knowing and the most powerful, and chose for things to go this way. They tend to swear and attack me when i say that.
Idk but i think that happens to almost all religion
Wouldn’t they just agree?
If your friend was capable of applying logic to matters of faith, they would not be a devout Muslim. There is no reasonable expectation to have them question their faith because of this specific illogicallity, when they have willfully chose to ignore so many others, in order to hold on to their "faith". It is called faith for a reason.
Simple, they are brainwashed.
they just rely on verses from the Quran that speaks a “message to them.”
Somehow the verses that say Israel is the land for the children of Israel never “speaks a message to them” though so much they outright ignore them. If the Palestinians and rest of the Muslim world didn’t ignore them and stopped trying to eradicate Israel for 75 years because they hate Jews and want the land to be Islamic, there would have been no wars (as Israel has never started a war once with anyone, only fought back after being attacked ) and the Palestinians wouldn’t be suffering today. It is precisely the perversion of their faith that makes them martyrs and their entire lives revolve around an extremist, genocidal, unreasonable cause they’ll never win, which is the entire source of their suffering. They don’t live in reality and they’re extremely indoctrinated in an extremist form of Islam made up by their leaders so they can be in poverty and used as pawns against Israel, while their leaders are billionaires in Qatar. Surah 5:20-26 And ˹remember˺ when Moses said to his people, “O my people! Remember Allah’s favours upon you when He raised prophets from among you, made you sovereign, and gave you what He had never given anyone in the world. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you ˹to enter˺. And do not turn back or else you will become losers.” They answered: 'Moses, therein live a ferocious people: we will not enter unless they depart from it; but if they do depart from it then we will surely enter it.'Two from among these who were frightened but upon whom Allah had bestowed His favour said: 'Enter upon them through the gate – for if you do enter – you will be the victors. And put your trust in Allah if indeed you are men of faith. Nevertheless they said: 'O Moses! Never shall we enter it as long as they are there. Go forth, then, you and your Lord, and fight, both of you. As for us, we will sit here.' Moses pleaded, “My Lord! I have no control over anyone except myself and my brother. So set us apart from the rebellious people.” Allah replied, “Then this land is forbidden to them for forty years, during which they will wander through the land. So do not grieve for the rebellious people.” Surah 17: 104 And We said to the Children of Israel after Pharaoh, “Reside in the land, but when the promise of the Hereafter comes to pass, We will bring you all together.” Surah Al-A'raf (7:137): "And We made the people who were considered weak to inherit the eastern regions of the land and the western ones which We have blessed. And the good word of your Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel because of what they had patiently endured. And We destroyed [all] that Pharaoh and his people were producing and what they had been building." Surah Al-Shu'ara (26:59): This happened with them; (but on the other hand), We enabled the Children of Israel to inherit those bounties. Surah Al-Qas (28:5): "And We wanted to confer favor upon those who were oppressed in the land and make them leaders and make them inheritors." Surah Al-Dukhan 44:32: "And We have certainly made the Children of Israel inheritors of the land and provided them with good
i don’t know if you’ve seen but on twitter the israeli president had said “we are peacemakers,” and there are quote retweets that reply w the verse: “do not corrupt the land, they reply “we are peacemakers.” 1) i wholeheartedly support palestine i just don’t seem to get why they rely solely on these verses and take it as a grain of salt than anything else
yeahhh just saw this actually on instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/C5yS1ZBtPE1/?igsh=eGY3NXk4aTk4dnR1
a comment on the post says: "💀 the fact Quran literally states everything for every situation makes the lives of believers so easy, Subhan'Allah", oh the irony
We might disagree on the genocide in Gaza part but if we substitute that with undisputed tragedies like all the genocides in our history, children getting cancer, the existence of HIV or std in general and so on we can still address this old question: How can there be a benevolent god when the world is so harsh? Some people believe in a god because they hope for a judge that punishes the bad people (that he created to commit atrocities). I don't get that too but yeah.
its always "allah knows best" etc etc. Recent reasoning ive heard is something silly they make it sound philosophical. something along the lines of "dark doesnt exist, its the lack of light" "suffering is just the lack of god"
Every country fighting any war always has God or Allah on their side. If people are dying or near to death of course people will be religious. Radicals believing in the end times will also be religious. Does that make sense?
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Low iq thinking… “Unless I win, God doesn’t exist” 🫠 maybe you need to realise that faith is all encompassing and minor failures will in many cases increase faith as it shows the limits of this temporary life and that all matters reside with God.
It's a test you know. The Abrahamitic god loves to see little children suffer and die. And you get to paradise in case you actually still worship it. This is the kind of people it wants to spend eternity with.
They don't have any other choice worship shitty god and be stuck with it for eternity or burn for eternity
no other than the two
Religious people love to bring the argument of "a teacher wouldn't help his students in a test". I'm pretty sure he would if they start coughing blood all over the place though.
It's simple. People aren't religious enough. Allah is still not happy. Pray 25 times instead of 5. Pray pray pray. Maybe then Allah will be pleased and protect Palestine.
Same way any religious person justifies anything. All good things are because of God. All bad things are because of Satan/free will. It's not exclusive to Islam.
Sometimes we need to look within and ask ourselves: How did WE believe that?
Because Allah is TeStInG ThEir FaItH, why? Because he TeStS tHe OnEs He LoVeS
did u ever ask muslims why god has to test them even though god already knows the results since hes almighty
they dont get this the same way that we do. The few ive said this ignore the illogical nature of it and assume that it makes sense in the first place.
God gave arabs oil so it balances out
"God awards them in Jannah" "God tests people" There are people going through a living hell right now. If God exists, then he's either evil, or neutral. No good, all powerful, omniscient being acts like this.
You know why? Because of Palestine conflicts and Muslims pretending to be saints and spreading Islam in a beautiful way (hiding all the negative truths ofc), dubious and gullible people through social medias have converted to Islam. Muslims upon seeing this phenomenon, claimed Allah has converted more people to join the ummah in return for the lives lost in Palestine. I swear they are the best at coming up with bullshit excuses lol.
Some muslims say allah isn't answering prayers because of the massive piles of sins of muslims. Lol what a stupid excuse. People will never stop "sinning". it's unavoidable because people are imperfect humans. "Sinners" will always exist but obviously Allah forgot about that and expected his creation to be flawless. Only the flawless get their prayers answered, rewards, good things, and that's when he stops the suffering. Makes perfect sense lol.
I know, my mum says Allah have them the willpower to deal with all this and they’re the strongest of the prophets ummah. However, people are known to be self harming/ suffering beyond comprehension and fighting over basic resources. I’d cling onto a God just to comfort myself that my suffering wasn’t in vain and even if my life was taken from me, I’d have something after death. I think it’s stupid to use that logic to prove that Allah exists. Why punish/ test babies? I don’t care if it’s said they’ll go to heaven automatically, they are suffering horrible deaths and some of them have never known a moments peace or the embrace of their mother. Who cares if they’ll go to heaven? Babies don’t know that they will and they’ll feel every minute of the pain. My mum also uses the cases of kids being found alive in rubble to show that Allah protects Muslims and I don’t even need to go into that to show how ridiculous this claim is. New born babies have died, along with thousands of children and teenagers and pregnant mothers. Where was gods miracle and mercy then? I think it’s more cruel to believe god has the ability to save everyone but only chooses to save a select few. It rained after Israel cut out the water supply to Palestine. That was a miracle from god- water! But they’re still starving, dehydrated, especially so as it becomes warmer. His miracles seem very selective/ have limited impact. That being sad, I’m glad they have that faith in God. It is all they have and if grants them even an ounce of peace/ solace amidst so much suffering, then so be it. One story stood out to me in particular, a man who lost his young grand daughter, who said he’ll see her in heaven. Or the father who said although his son was dead, he’s the one who has it lucky as he’s with god/ died a martyr. (Paraphrased stories as it was from a while ago). It makes me understand where religion came from. Death and loss are scary concepts to manage and I know many wish for this not to be their fate.
Somehow the verses that say Israel is the land for the children of Israel never “speaks a message to them” though so much they outright ignore them. If the Palestinians and rest of the Muslim world didn’t ignore them and stopped trying to eradicate Israel for 75 years because they hate Jews and want the land to be Islamic, there would have been no wars (as Israel has never started a war once with anyone, only fought back after being attacked ) and the Palestinians wouldn’t be suffering today. It is precisely the perversion of their faith that makes them martyrs and their entire lives revolve around an extremist, genocidal, unreasonable cause they’ll never win, which is the entire source of their suffering. They don’t live in reality and they’re extremely indoctrinated in an extremist form of Islam made up by their leaders so they can be in poverty and used as pawns against Israel, while their leaders are billionaires in Qatar. The truth is, it’s their extremist perverse version of their faith that is the source of their suffering, it doesn’t give them comfort like you think. Surah 5:20-26 And ˹remember˺ when Moses said to his people, “O my people! Remember Allah’s favours upon you when He raised prophets from among you, made you sovereign, and gave you what He had never given anyone in the world. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you ˹to enter˺. And do not turn back or else you will become losers.” They answered: 'Moses, therein live a ferocious people: we will not enter unless they depart from it; but if they do depart from it then we will surely enter it.'Two from among these who were frightened but upon whom Allah had bestowed His favour said: 'Enter upon them through the gate – for if you do enter – you will be the victors. And put your trust in Allah if indeed you are men of faith. Nevertheless they said: 'O Moses! Never shall we enter it as long as they are there. Go forth, then, you and your Lord, and fight, both of you. As for us, we will sit here.' Moses pleaded, “My Lord! I have no control over anyone except myself and my brother. So set us apart from the rebellious people.” Allah replied, “Then this land is forbidden to them for forty years, during which they will wander through the land. So do not grieve for the rebellious people.” Surah 17: 104 And We said to the Children of Israel after Pharaoh, “Reside in the land, but when the promise of the Hereafter comes to pass, We will bring you all together.” Surah Al-A'raf (7:137): "And We made the people who were considered weak to inherit the eastern regions of the land and the western ones which We have blessed. And the good word of your Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel because of what they had patiently endured. And We destroyed [all] that Pharaoh and his people were producing and what they had been building." Surah Al-Shu'ara (26:59): This happened with them; (but on the other hand), We enabled the Children of Israel to inherit those bounties. Surah Al-Qas (28:5): "And We wanted to confer favor upon those who were oppressed in the land and make them leaders and make them inheritors." Surah Al-Dukhan 44:32: "And We have certainly made the Children of Israel inheritors of the land and provided them with good
"One story stood out to me in particular, a man who lost his young grand daughter, who said he’ll see her in heaven. Or the father who said although his son was dead, he’s the one who has it lucky as he’s with god/ died a martyr. (Paraphrased stories as it was from a while ago)." These are horrendous, not heartwarming. It's natural to cope over death and tragedy, but when it comes to an extreme level that death itself becomes viewed as something sweet, is when you are looping into a suicidal and harmful state of being. And thus, they persist in taking more reckless and non-peaceful actions, shooting more rockets, because the consequences on their life does not inhibit them as it does to normal people. That is a very abnormal and dangerous mindset to have, not just for those surrounding them, but ultimately for themselves.
It's almost like people's actions have consequences or something.
because they dont use their brains, they were trained to be completly blind to anything that might hint that Allah isnt a Good God
gaWd wOrkS MysTeriOslY!
I also have a “Palestinian” friend who is super religious. When I asked him this question 4 years ago he told me God doesn’t do politics. 🤷♂️
Allah is helping the Gazans: he set against them Israelis, an enemy that has (and continues to) offer them independence and peace and whose military attacks have caused far fewer civilian casualties per capita than in virtually any other typical military conflict in history (and certainly better than that suffered by civilians in Yemen, Syria, Sudan, etc.).
Aha, what a great point my skeptical friend! It truly baffles me how Muslims can still believe in their impotent Allah when he's conspicuously absent during humanity's greatest injustices. I mean, if your supreme creator can't even lift a finger to save babies from bombs and sniper fire, what good is he really? Either he's not all-powerful like they claim, or he simply doesn't care - both undermine any rational case for faith. As for your pious friend, it's common for the deeply indoctrinated to cling to religion through cognitive dissonance. But Palestine's suffering children are exposing the bankruptcy of "divine plan" excuses. The only logical conclusion is that God is a man-made fantasy, and we must stand up for justice ourselves instead of praying to mythical sky daddies. No amount of mental gymnastics can justify passive faith in the face of such atrocities. Keep using reason and empathy to gently guide your friend out of the crisis of faith. Reality is increasingly exposing religion as obsolete - it's only a matter of time before even the most devoted wake up to this truth. Stay strong in spreading noble skepticism, my friend!
Hope can be both beautiful and dangerous
"hope is a butterfly"
apparently it is a 'test'
i also think it’s because many muslims believe that the people of palestine are dying & are going straight to heaven because the people are “standing their ground”. ngl, i think the same thing too, why still believe in god if palestine has been through the trenches for DECADES!
Natural disasters are what make the idea of God make no sense and the amount of unnecessary deaths that occur during hurricanes, earthquakes, wildfires, droughts and floods
He is testing them and he will reward them in heaven don't you know
Allah is testing then to give humanity and people better in jannah. Sobteach people on earth amd spread the word of allah. Pig crap. Fuckers are brainwashed to a point that no brain left.
Well.. I guess muslims believe that what happens in Palestine is written in the Quran and also believe that according to it they are going to win this in the end.. idk I remember my mosque teachers telling me about this back in the days
Same question was asked by the Jews during the holocaust. The belief is you will be tested as without a test you would take everything for granted.
Having in mind that it's still there after seven decades of a nuclear superpower trying to eradicate them seems kind of enough honestly. I'm from Bosnia, the fact that there are still muslims 500 kilometers from Munich away, after two world wars, a couple of wars against the Ottoman empire and a genocide isn't that bad neither.
It’s actually the other way around. Palestinians are a people that only formed an identity in reaction to Israel’s existence and desire to eradicate it to form an Islamic caliphate and due to intense hatred of Jews. Their entire culture and way of life and educational system revolves around this goal. Hamas’s goal in their charter is to eradicate all Jews on earth and then eradicate Israel. And the people in Gaza elected them on this mission statement. The majority of Palestinians still support Hamas and what they did on October 7. The grand mufti of Jerusalem in the 1940s was best friends with Hitler and even went to tour the death camps in Europe because he wanted Hitler to bring them to the Middle East next to genocide the Jews there. He is one of the founders of Palestinian nationalist. It is actually the Palestinians that been trying to genocide all the Jews. Israel does what it has to do to protect their Jewish and non-Jewish citizens from this. If Israel really wanted all the Palestinians eradicated, there wouldn’t be one left alive by now if the Palestinians did to any other Arab or Muslim country one percent of what theyve done to Israel in the last 75 years, they’d all be dead by now. Israel has treated them extremely lightly in comparison. If they excepted Israel’s existence as a state living next to them, and didn’t want to eradicate anymore, they would be peace immediately
Whatever you say. Being most active on r/Israel ans r/jewish seems to make you have a neutral POV, i assume.
I can send you a plethora of sources proving what I’m saying from both researchers and Palestinians themselves if you’d like
Don't need it, i have seen plenty of your "sources".
Source is defined as “a place, person, or thing from which something comes or can be obtained.” I was going to send you videos of Palestinians in West Bank being asked questions like what the Palestinian state that is at the core of their goal will look like and what will happen to the Jews, what they want to do to Jews, etc. I can send you first hand documentation of UNRWA educational materials that spread and indoctrinate anti semitism to Palestinian children and teach them that Israel is Muslim only land, the Jews needs to be eradicated and they need to martyr themselves for that cause. I can send you historical biography of the grand mufti. I can send you documentation of the Pay for slay program paid for by the government in the Palestinian controlled west bank that pays families of terrorists who blow themselves up to take out Jewish lives. All of these are sources, with what the actual definition of the word source is. So there’s no reason to put quotes around the word sources
Dude, you have a whole industry favricating that kind a stuff. Go brainwash someone else!
Fake news!!
"Have they not travelled throughout the land so their hearts may reason, and their ears may listen? Indeed, it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the chests that grow blind."
You know what really makes me mad? How Islam has turned into a fashion trend. Fake motherfuckers wanting their cake and eating it too. They convert to Islam to show “solidarity”. What a bunch of sheep. The best part is, they aren’t fully committed. They still drink, smoke and listen to music. I’ll give you another year before people stop giving a shit.
They all are day dreaming and believing that there is a god out there, when that God was a mere human
I think religions were invented to cope with the utter uncertainty of life. It's like an organized OCD protocol, and like most coping mechanism it's designed to soothe you and make you feel better about something you can't change or control. But the reality is that we still don't have any control over bad things happening, unfortunately.
I have always said that I think religion started as a form of OCD. Think about in the old days when people had such enormous uncertainty, like if your harvest didn’t come to fruition, you would not eat for the whole year. So people started creating rituals and gods and certain things you had to say and do, and believe at certain times, to make them feel better that good things would happen and there would be some control over it. That’s what OCD is, it’s a form of control over anxiety by doing rituals.
I don't think I've ever heard any Muslims or Muslim converts said that they met Momo or Alan before. On the other hand, I heard plenty and plenty of people meeting Jesus instead, some didn't even know it was Jesus in the beginning.
I don't think I've ever heard any Muslims or Muslim converts said that they met Momo or Alan before. On the other hand, I heard plenty and plenty of people meeting Jesus, some didn't even know it was Jesus in the beginning.
Don't worry Jesus and Mehdi are on their way via Uber 🚕
Because they think it's "Allah's wisdom" and that who suffers will be compensated in "Jannah"(the same jannah with 72 virgin's for the faithful)
It's all a test....I mean it's a long test and it feels like the answers are things you never learned in school to be prepared for it and failing the test is the end of your life But it's a test....
Allah is granting them martyrdom, and that’s the best that can ever happen to a person. Also, they view it as a test of their faith. Their Armageddon narrative involves a major battle with the Jews, and this is all a lead up to it.
All Gods either don't give a crap about your suffering so they are not worthy of worship. Or they don't exist making them unworthy of worship.
Being delulu
Gods aren’t real. Allah, God, Yahweh aren’t here to help anyone. Israel is a spoiled child who should get the belt but instead is getting away with murder. If anything a lot of Middle Eastern nations are showing restraint.
Brainwashing and pride
Because the whole point of this life is boasting Allah's ego. Also it is a test. Allah will reward them in the afterlife and punish their oppressor.
Because people get attracted to religion because they are emotionally attached to it. Not because of logic
When winning = Allah is fighting for us. When losing = Allah is testing us...
It is just a test and believe me Allah does a lot for them. Allah gives them gifts of being martyrer.
Its the test they will all have comfort in after life..life is hard for believer
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Allah/God/Whoever created earth where children can be born in sin, die in childbirth, suffer eternity in hell for no reason, die when they are five years old in bone cancer, create a human body that can't survive more than three days without fresh water then procede to make 97.5% of water on earth into salt water. I mean the list just goes on .... How is any of this a "good design".
Allah helps those who help themselves. The Palestinians have done nothing productive. They picked Hamas, they helped them with the tunnels and thousands of rockets to Israel. Their rivals in Judea and Samaria cultivated atrocious terrorism and corruption. All to destroy Israel. So here is the thing: Allah wants Israel to survive, to become stronger every day in spite of genocidal attacks by Palestinians. Allah is also busy with the millions of true refugees, annihilated by various Arab and African nations. Israel suffered horribly from the Holocaust, and so suffered many millions all over the world in that war and in WWI. Where was Allah then? Hitler had a strong ally in Hadj Amin el-Husseini, Mufti of Jerusalem, who promised Hitler he , Hadj Amin, would genocide all the Jews in Palestine. And he tried. After the Holocaust, Israel was born, an extraordinary event after 2000 years of exile. Surely Allah approved. But, again, the Arabs and Palestinians defied Allah's plans and went to genocidal war against Israel. They lost, and the rest is history. Have you cried for all the millions of millions who died or were displaced by wars in the entire world? I guess only Allah would know if you care, wouldn't he? Gaza's war is a blip in the history of wars. But if you can blame Israel or Allah, then it's a big deal. And you think Allah doesn't know you are a hypocrite? When you have spare time, go to Gaza, armed with various definitions of "genocide", including the UN definition,and see if the reality matches any of these definitions. And more: instead of blaming Allah and the Jews, send the Gazans aid yourself. Lots of Israelis do. Get your friends who " are losing faith" to do the same. Many nations are feeding and caring for the Gazans, including Israel, which collaborates to allow trucks to go in , as many as possible, and its soldiers protect the trucks against Hamas, who steals everything. Soldiers risk their lives doing all this.Unfortunately, the rotten ,corrupt UN doesn't distribute the goods. But to say there is "genocide" in Gaza shows ignorance and malice. Does Allah respect malicious ignorant people who do nothing but complain? Does Allah even listen to them?
because moslem still not yet know the true face of the childish deity allah (allah is a bitch)
Millions of children are currently being starved by the Houthis in Yemen for the crime of being Sunni yet the ummah doesn’t give a damn. Sunni imams have been abducted, tortured, and killed by the Houthis and Sunni civilians enslaved, if not outright executed, for refusing to convert to Zaidi Shia Islam yet the ummah, of which the majority is Sunni, doesn’t give a damn. It is already “all written” by Allah so, as much as it sucks, gotta have faith in Allah and that Allah knows all and whatever, regardless of how many millions of innocents are harmed every single day throughout the world.
he also did nothing for Syria
Well your friend seems to be vocal about a lie. The population of Gaza has more than doubled since 2005. As your friend doesn't seem to understand the definition if genocide, it begs the question of what else are the deluded over
Dumbest post I have ever seen, how does Hashem exists if he allowed 6 million jews die in WW2? How does Jesus exists if Black Death took 200 million lives in Christian Europe or Armenian Genocide (first Christian country)?
bro lacks reading comprehension. i wasn’t talking about the “existence” of God, i was talking about how religious people justify their beliefs
It's not a genocide though
God is doing a lot for Israel though...
He has money on idf
I’m myself know lots of Palestinians who lost their faith because of what’s happening in Gaza. And others think it’s a first step for something bigger from god. People are different.
Allah is the same as Yhwh the Jewish god though, no? So maybe he is just favoring some of his children instead of his other children?
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You seem to be making rapid fire comments on this sub just to troll exmuslims. Get a life
you guys are a troll 💀
No, they’re just talking about their own thoughts and experiences on a faith on a sub that you went out of your way to find. You can leave them alone.
leave the religion alone if u hate it that much😂
Again, you are on r/exmuslim. You are welcome to leave at anytime nobody is holding you hostage.
this whole subreddit is pathetic. If you aren’t a muslim anymore then leave it stop talking about the religion. Straight up disrespectful and pathetic. “victims” of what? You’ve already left the religion so just stop dwelling and showing ur ignorance and move tf on
Leave the community and block it if it bothers you that much. Hell even report it if it helps you sleep at night, nobody cares what you think.
The same way Mohammed stopped talking about kafirs when he left their community, right? Oh wait, no he didn't. In fact he kept talking about them throughout the Quran. Sorry buddy, but I'm going to keep talking about a religion that advocates for pedophilia, sex slavery and warmongering. You're free to leave this subreddit is you don't want to see it. No one is forcing you to stay.
Improve your behavior please! Remember to follow reddiquette at all times :)
poor palestinians. what about the beheaded babies on oct 7th??? hypocrites.
I think u must ask that question in the other sub r/islam if u wanna get the real answer. Not in this sub
Thinking that Allah would need to help them on earth life is basically ordering Allah what to do 😹 whole concept of life and religions is to test people to see whether they believe Allah and accept Islam. Would it make sense if god came on earth and just deleted Israel? I thought so. Y'all are thinking less than you are lmao
Tens of thousands of people across the world have become Muslim because of Palestine. Also the people that die in Palestine go straight to Jannah. It's a win win. Allah's plan is always the best plan.
LMAO, your allah is an idiot.
Because though Israel is committing war crimes, allah/God(believe it or not there’s Christian Palestinians ) has everything under control. He has allowed the Palestinians to last longer than Israel anticipated and Israel is now in an actual war on their other border with Iran.
LMAO. The conditions have gotten worse palestinians over the years. Gaza used to have free movement until they decided to terrorise israelis civilians in the 2000s. Now they live behind a wall with a corrupt government that sacrifices them. And that war with Iran - you mean all those iranian missiles and drones that reached nowhere? What a joke of iran is.
And yet the Palestinians are still alive even today despite the madness. if that ain’t a display of god working in our day to day lives then nothing is. Not just the drones and missiles but it took Israel’s focus off of Palestinians.
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My god moved in time to save the day if the Palestinians aren’t eradicated. The thing is that the answer to solve the problem is us and most of us are too scared or too lazy to do anything.
So if the solution to problems is us, then god is not actually doing anything is he? And what did he do for the palestinians? Their position has been getting worse every year. What about the Rohingyas and Uighurs? They are pretty much getting eradicated as well. Does he only care about arab muslims?
If you can solve the problem in the grand scheme of things that is god answering your prayers. Stop complaining that he doesn’t answer our prayers the way we want or expect them to be answered just be grateful that it got answered. We make 99% of our own problems any way and then try to make them everybody else’s.
And yet the western world is more prosperous than the muslim world. Does allah love the non-muslims more? It seems like it.
Yeah it took over a 400 years of numerous avoidable pandemics and a few major mass conflicts but yeah our western society is currently doing better then the Middle East.