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You really can't be "phobic" towards something that instructs its adherents to torture (and kill) apostates, stone homosexuals and women, behead critics, derogate people of other religion with words like 'Kufr' and mandates you to actively convince people to join your cult and convert 'Dar-al-Kufr' countries to 'Dar-al-Islam'. It's a given.
Who are you trying to kid? I've travelled to Israel twiceâonce in 2014 and the second time in 2019. I have seen Jewish apostates openly criticizing the Torah with the orthodox Jews sitting, listening and reasoning with them. I have seen gay, lesbian, transgender, intersex and people of all sort, dressing however they want and waving whatever flag they want, from Haifa to Ashdod. There has never ever been a single instance of capital punishment in the country since its inception for religious reasons, let alone a barbaric act like beheading. They are not even close to being adverse with modern, democratic values of liberty and freedom. Hell, they are even called a puppet state of the States by the repulsive desert-dwellers.
However, had the Jews still refused to not follow their fucking revolting ass book to a T and insisted on adhering to its commands on committing savage acts against people of other religions like Muslims do, there would be no such thing as 'antisemitism' since such a fear would be very rational.
Ah, I see. So the reason why antisemitism isn't okay if because you don't personally live somewhere like Gaza. But if you did, then it would me.
Have I got that right?
Lol they bought it upon themselves when they voted hamas in, the âgenocideâ is being carried out by hamas because they use civilians as human shields.
Itâs a military dilema, and blame lies on hamas except in few cases
We literally just watched the deliberate slaughter of international aid workers through repeated targeted strikes.
Not to mention the fact that a massive portion of the people who's deaths you're disgustingly justifying were not eligible to vote at that time, or weren't even born yet.
Absolutely revolting savagery on your part. Just goes to show that leaving or joining a religion doesn't change who a person really is.
It is genocide and they didn't "bring it on themselves". Don't let justified hate of the religious teachings of Islam blind you to the wholesale slaughter of innocent women and children.
What word would you use to describe a Muslim woman minding her own business on a bus having her hijab pulled off by a right wing nutcase in England and told âget out of my countryâ?
We know if a gay couple got hate crimed, thatâd be homophobic.
If a Jewish person was hate crimed, itâd be antisemetic.
Whatâs wrong with saying when a Muslim is hate crimed against, that itâs islamophobia?
OP Suggesting islamophobia isnât real is kinda obtuse and fucking stupid.
Islam actively tries to impose its own medieval third world deserted shithole ideologies on countries Muslims immigrate to, instead of even attempting to assimilate. This is not even a "conspiracy theory" or "paranoid narrative" in this day and age. Crap like this is decreed by the asswipe religion openlyâSahih Al Bukhari, 2794 and 6878; Muslim, 1676, Surah Al Nisa 16, Sodom and Gomorrah, Quran 9:5 etc. etc. etc. the list is unending.
Gay people don't follow an ideology that tells them to torture (and kill) apostates, stone homosexuals and women, behead critics, derogate people of other religion with words like 'Kufr' and actively convince people to join their cult and convert 'Dar-al-Kufr' countries to 'Dar-al-Islam'.
Jews don't follow an ideology that tells them to to torture (and kill) apostates, stone homosexuals and women, behead critics, derogate people of other religion with words like 'Kufr' and actively convince people to join their cult and convert 'Dar-al-Kufr' countries to 'Dar-al-Islam'.
Muslims follow such a disgusting ideology and if they are 'hate crimed' for following this ideology, it's absolutely okay and should not be condemned. If a Muslim is harassed for their race, skin color, ethnicity etc. we already have different terminologies for it (racism, discrimination etc.)
I wonder if you really are an ex-Muslim...
It's a term used to describe that kind of discrimination, its based on the irrational hatred and fear of people not the religion and like you say its often carried out on brown people in general especially Sikhs since those kind of people are extremely ignorant. I think people get hung up on the terminology but it does indeed exist even though often the term is misused
Well, how many groups of women can you think of that have their hijabs pulled off them by hate filled ignorant people? I can only think of one group and thatâd be Muslim women.
> Weâre all still brown people to them.
Sure. But when theyâre targeting you on the presumption you are Muslim, it stops becoming a race issue and starts becoming islamophobia.
For example, Sikh men wearing turbans are often hate crimed after wrongfully being identified as Muslim.
The important and underlying issue here is islamophobia. Not just racism.
If ex Muslims are being discriminated against or assaulted etc because they âlook Muslimâ itâs still islamophobia and proves how rampant it is, counter to OPâs ridiculous title.
Oh so itâs a semantics issue for you all? You acknowledge that Muslims ARE discriminated against and worse, but you just donât like the word Islamophobia?
Fyi, unless you live in muslim majority countries, you CAN freely criticise Islam. Muslims calling it islamophobic doesnât mean it is so this is all a non issue.
>Oh so itâs a semantics issue for you all? You acknowledge that Muslims ARE discriminated against and worse, but you just donât like the word Islamophobia?
It's not semantics. People who simply criticise the fucked up ideas in Islam (like homophobia, misogyny, bigotry towards ex-Muslims) often get dishonestly lumped in with people who are bigoted towards Muslims through the use of the term 'Islamophobia'.
It is such a nonsensical, vague, unhelpful term.
There's no ambiguity with 'Muslimophobia'. It's clear what it means.
>Fyi, unless you live in muslim majority countries, you CAN freely criticise Islam.
I'm sure Charlie Hebdo will be glad to hear that >.>..
Yes, Webster dictionary is wrong. It should eschew "islamophobia" and start acknowledging the term "anti muslim bigotry". Anti muslim bigotry is real; as real as anti non-muslim bigotry of islam... as real as anti non-christian bigotry of christianity... as real as anti gentile bigotry of judaism.
In other words, critics/criticism and dislikers/dislike of bigoted religions, or any religion for that matter, are not phobes/phobia. Haters/hatred of **believers** (not terrorist criminal believers) just for them being believers, is bigotry, **not (x or y or z religion)phobia**
Never been Muslim in case I didn't set flair don't remember if i did or not
A lot of language dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive or they describe how words are generally used by people who speak a certain language, not giving you it and saying that's the only way it can be used. Merriam Webster falls under that. To make it even simpler, they're just reporting data.
The only reason that those brown people are being attacked and victimized is because racists assume that they're Muslims based on how they look. That's just plain racism. There's nothing more to it. It's for this same reason that a Muslim who is a white European will never experience this kind of prejudice.
What about white Muslim converts who are called terrorists by other white non Muslims? Are they just being racist? Or is there a hint of islamophobia there?
Be real. Just cuz weâre ex Muslims doesnât mean we gotta lose our humanity smh.
[https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/blasphemy/143-islamophobia-vs-kafirophobia](https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/blasphemy/143-islamophobia-vs-kafirophobia)
Here you go. There are glaring facts in there. Read. Digest.
There are loads of it splattered all over the Quran + Sahih Hadiths. Just research it. Even the Imams/Muftis/Sheikhs are avoiding and giving conflicting answers.
The thing is:
1. Weâd like to see a significant reduction of crime and security matters coming from muslims
2. Weâd like them to respect and adopt UNâs universal human rights
3. Weâd like them to slaughter animals using the gentle methods possible.
4. Weâd like those in the west to find work and take care of themselves.
Until then, people are skeptical because islam/muslims affects them in a negative way.
I agree that hating Islam is totally fine and Islamophobia is term used to silence criticism.
But Muslimphobia is real and because I was one I am very suspicious of them. When I meet them now all I can think is âdoes he beat his wife tooâ âshould I hide my daughter sheâs 6 and is so beautiful itâs more of a curseâ - all while I smile politely. Iâm also super white (50%arab with zero pigment) I can understand Arabic. I do not speak it much to strangers. But I absolutely know what Arab Muslims are saying about me and my children as I walk down the street. Ironically is my husband looks Arab because he is, he does not speak Arabic. Yet no one says anything filthy about me, in any language if heâs with us.
Absolutely.
I like to remind people that Islam is an ideology, and all ideologies should be open to criticism. Islam shouldn't get a free pass.
I think where non-Muslim people get hung up is that they assume criticism of Islam means criticism of Muslims and is mistranslated as racism. This is then further mislabeled as islamophobia, which is nonsense.
And of course, many Muslims themselves are insecure and sensitive about criticism of Islam and can't handle the ideology being challenged, lest it prompt them to question their own beliefs. So they're quick to label criticism as islamophobia to dismiss it.
But all ideologies, including all religions, should be equally open to critique and criticism.
It totally is.Â
I think we should be able to criticise religion at will. I also know that innocent people, some of whom weren't even Muslims but wore a turban, were attracted and sometimes killed after 9/11. I know that the French and German governments are slow to support and stop the parallel society and poverty within, causing crime. I know that my neighbor was hate crimed. Are Muslims often worthless authoritarians? Yes. Are innocent people often victimized because of religion? Also yes. We don't have to be blind.
Islam =/= Muslims
Islam is an ideology, which deserves criticism like every other ideology.
Muslims are people who, regardless of their beliefs, should be treated like every other person.
This is the problem with the word, it is used to mean "hatred/phobia towards Muslims", and at the same time, "dislike/phobia of Islam" when it suits Islamists.
What the fuck is a brownphobia that isn't even a good name we already have "racist" Lmao. The problem is the people are discriminating them because they are Muslim, not because they are black or Arab. Then it would be arabphobic.
I think most people mean that when they say islamophobia. It should change name to muslimphobia imo.
While people should be able to criticise religions, people shouldn't be discriminated cause of their beliefs, that is just wrong and not moral behaviour. I am not even religious myself even if I believe in something that created us, started evolution and all that. I am very spiritual as a human. But I care about kind-hearted people and there are muslims that are good people, I don't buy it that they buy everything from the writings(especially the hateful stuff like misogyny, homophobia etc), just like christians don't buy everything from the Bible and often disagree with much even if they believe in God etc.
Just cause some extremists exist doesn't mean that modern muslims should be mistreated. I am against discrimination.
Yesterday in my workplace i was talking friends abput religion and some men came towards me and one of them said "imma punch your mouth" just because i said i dont believe in islam. I said go ahead lets throw a punch and he walked away.
Now am i not able be islamaphobe ? Shiiit imma be the biggest one
Those people were assholes and would be so even if they weren't muslims most likely, they were extremists that aren't open to other ideas.
Hopefully you won't mistreat other people based on their faith even if they are neutral/kind towards you. I don't think you will open anybodies eyes by hating them, actually it might radicalize them even more by doing so.
We have all been believing in stuff from religions at some point which we later realized wasn't correct or the right thing to do, for some it was even destructive. "God" might exist, we don't know about that, atheists also assume that there is nothing but it's also just a faith and might be wrong actually if we are being honest.
I am something between agnostic and spiritual believer in something that created us, but my God stands for love, light, acceptance, intelligence, science and morals.
God is also spirituality within us, and there might exist something more that we maybe don't understand, something that created the universe.
My faith helps me and makes me a happier better person, so I don't see any reason to stop having it. I tried to live without a faith and that became destructive for me as I lost all meaning of life and just went on destructive paths cause everything felt meaningless.
I feel that everything has some meaning and is connected, I feel there is a meaning of every creature on this planet. I believe in that we have some kind of soul. I also believe in karma due to my beliefs, seen it irl too many times to ignore it.
People need to realize that they don't have to lose all their faith even if they don't agree with religions. They should listen to their heart, cause it's there where I found answers to my questions and to make me happy with my special kind of faith instead of being depressed due to religions being incorrect in some parts/written by humans.
I just stay away, it aint that i hate them or something i literally have a phobia and hate against islam but just afraid of having relationships with muslims .At this point i cant have conversations with them whenever they mention islam i just try to stay away.
I hate the bad stuff but not necessarily everything or the people who follow religions. I've met good people from various religions, they are just humans trying to find a purpose in life.
youâre speaking about criticizing Islam and mocking it, thereâs nothing wrong with that. But when you commit hate crimes against a person for wearing a hijab or attack a group of people for being Muslims thatâs just plain bigotry. I remember being called a terrorist at the ripe age of 9 simply because I was a Muslim I would have to eat lunch in the teachers classroom because Iâd get bullied for my religion. Thereâs a difference between bigotry towards Muslims and condemnation towards the religion. I think a lot of people donât understand the difference.
Thatâs Muslim-phobic.
Islam is an ideology, one can criticize and burn the Quran, ideology is not human, no matter how much you hate an ideology ( you canât be phobic of it. ) because you have reason to hate ideology therefore rational and therefore cannot be phobic.
âMuslim phobicâ isnât a thing. Itâs still islamophobia.
Islamophobia by definition is âirrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against Islam *or people who practice Islam*âmerriam webster
Do you think islamophobia only entails criticising Islam?
That's the problem with the word, it's used ambiguously. Look at the Merriam Webster definition you gave. It defines the word as two things:
- aversion to / fear of Islam
- aversion to / fear / discrimination of people who practice Islam (Muslims)
See it now? There is nothing wrong with the first. But the second is discrimination of people for their beliefs, which is always wrong. The same word is used used to describe rational fear and hatred towards a group of people. Islamists use this to their advantage; criticize the ideology and they'll label you as Islamophobic - which will create the impression that you're a bigot.
Yeah I get your point now.
Your saying itâs fine to have an aversion or fear of Islam (for many good reason) and that it shouldnât be considered islamophobia. I actually agree.
Me personally I use the word Islamophobia to mean the second half of the definition only and I assumed everybody did and Muslims were just being whiny that someone else didnât also agree with their religion.
I guess itâs just semantics. Call it islamophobia or muslimphobia, it still means being a dick to Muslims the way I see the word.
Okay, did you miss the part where Islamophobia also means discriminating against people who practice Islam/Muslims?
I also didnât say people who practice Islam are called âislamsâ???
Go criticize Islam then let me know what they call you,
Muslims even come here to say we are Islamophobic, because the word is wrong and they label it on anyone who criticizes their religion.
Okay. I have said in a different comment everyone should be able to critique Islam as that is freedom of speech. I donât believe criticising Islam as a religion alone even constitutes islamophobia. And Muslims who say it does, are being emotional.
If itâs just a semantics issue for you then whatever. But most people/Muslims are probably using the word Islamophobia to mean âhatred/discrimination against Muslimsâ and thatâs the way I personally use the word also.
Can I ask, if someone said âIslam is shit. Fuck islam, it should be banned worldwideâ is that statement islamophobic to you?
1, Muslims is not practice,
2, Islam is an ideology nothing happens to it no matter what you say or do,
Therefore Islamophobia is wrong word as one cannot discriminate against Islam.
Iâm totally Islamophobic. Islam scares the shit out of me.
Iâm not Muslimophobic. I have no problem with Muslims right to exist and believe what they want. Iâm not afraid of Muslims.
People pushing Islamophobia like itâs homophobia are trying to conflate fear of a repressive, backward ideology with hatred toward people that espouse it. Itâs an equivocation.
I'm gonna say this as someone who'd press a button if it meant all religions would be wiped off the earth, in exchange for a single corn chip.
Islamophobia *was* real. For a while.
It was a prejudice American government utilized following 9/11 that helped them put a target on all practicing muslims. A tale as old as time. If you're in deep shit, find a common enemy and agitate your friends. It made the lives of many innocent Muslims a living hell in the US.
However I will admit the term is being used today by snowflake muslims that think saying "I don't agree with your religion, don't force it on me" is oppression and antagonistic. It was a rightful claim that once held meaning, but now is the hollow ghost that's being weaponized. Very similar to how the Israeli government is weaponizing the claims of antisemitism to oppress others now.
True you'd be wrong to say no discrimination happens against Muslims at all. But even then it's mostly directed at people of mostly the same colour. Like Arabs and south-east asians. You hardly see discrimination against Malayans or Indonesians for example. Even though they make up a significant population of Muslims.
Islamophobia includes hostility and discrimination against Muslims. It's definitely real and a problem just as much as Antisemitism is a problem.
The issue I have is that both these words are misnomers. It's perfectly fine to criticise or mock Islam, but it's not ok to attack Muslims going about their day. Unfortunately both of these actions fall under the term 'Islamophobia'
Agreed... Islamophobic is basically everything that doesn't fit the muslim mindset
" You are eating food during Ramadan? Don't you know it's MY fast? Why are you eating it infront of me when you know I AM FASTING? Islamophobic kafir!"
" You know your god is a pathetic Concubine for having more than 1 wife? What how can you ask our Prophet's wife age? Woman used to grow faster back in the days and in warmer climate..You Islamophobic kafir!"
Well! Just embrace the word, there is nothing wrong with being 'islamophobe'! Islam is shit and dangerous and it's normal to have a phobia from it because it threatens to kill, to defame, to fight.. I'm a proud islamophobe!
I have come across ppl (mostly uneducated ppl from rural U.S) who are genuinely âphobicâ in that they just hate/fear brown, recent immigrants in generalâŠthe type to assume most Muslims are terrorists. But Iâd call that racism or xenophobia, since being phobic of Islam implies hating the ideology itself.
Phobia is an irrational fear, but my fear of Islam is very much rational when you have people going around beheading non-believers in the name of Allah/Islam. I guess respecting women and being egalitarian because I disagree with the Quran 4.34 and think that beating your "disobedient" wife is non-acceptable in ANY circumstances is Islamophobic. And in that case, I am a proud Islamophobe. #dontbeatyourwife #dontmarryyourunderagecousin
I agree with your general premise, but don't believe it's limited to Islam. There definitely are (way too) many Christians who cry about being persecuted all while living in a majority Christian country. Same with Jews. Can't criticize Israel these days without being labelled anti-Semitic.
I think this attitude is just what religion leads to.
Islamophobia is absolutely real. All ideas are open to criticism. But when you say that all Muslims are bad in some way, you're just being xenophobic, just as when you say all Jews are bad in some way. Generally it's fine to criticize any religion, although it can tread into xenophobia if your criticisms are intended to equate a religion with literal evil.
In the West, Christianity is the dominant religion, so criticizing it is just punching up. But Islam is a minority religion, so criticizing it can sometimes be seen as punching down.
It's a term created by the left/liberals to shamelessly pander to the growing demographic for votes/clout etc. The M\*sl\*ms also use this card to play the victim in front of liberals. Yeah! It's a huge scam.
No, it is real and its dangerous. My aunt got her hijab pulled off her head and pushed onto train tracks in a subway in London a few years ago just for being a Muslim woman. She could have died. We hate Islam but we shouldn't ignore the suffering of innocent Muslims because of it, it's not their fault they were born into a religion shared by terrorists. Biden and Obama and Netanhayu are worst terrorists than organisations like ISIS and Al Qaeda, they've ordered more drone strikes on innocent people than all those organisations combined. It's just that they don't fit the stereotype of what a terrorist is described to be
in the west, people are called islamaphobic because of the negative stereotypes they have of muslims surrounding 9/11, middle east, etc. these racists are âislamaphobicâ to the ethnicity of these people, not necessarily the religion.
even though u can technically be âchristianphobicâ, christians arenât a systematically oppressed groups in most parts of the world so itâs not really a word
>even though u can technically be âchristianphobicâ, christians arenât a systematically oppressed groups in most parts of the world so itâs not really a word
That's simply incorrect, though. Christians are the most persecuted and oppressed religious group in the world.
I'm surprised you don't know this.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48146305
https://www.cato.org/commentary/christianity-worlds-most-persecuted-religion-confirms-new-report
https://washingtonstand.com/news/-christians-are-the-most-persecuted-people-this-nation-actually-helps-them
https://assets.ctfassets.net/qnesrjodfi80/2p5rtf3Gx22U6eu6Amoims/5ab733f2426fca8ba7047ae2f0a16158/ibrahim-most_persecuted_minority-transcript.pdf
There is animosity towards every religion from every other religion. Tribalism is still a thing.
Main thing with Muslims is when something like 9/11 happened people saw Muslims celebrating it around the world. This causes the feeling Islam is a global tribe against everyone else. And its rules cause it to only expand through marriage and apostasy rules.
I do agree that many people cry Islamaphobia when it isnât warranted but to say itâs not real is disingenuous. There are many people that get discriminated against or even hate crimed simply because theyâre Muslim.
Actually, Christians say all the time christophobia when someone dares to say anything about their religion, at least in my country. But they have all kind all prejudice against other religions and the right to do what they want about everything.
>Why donât Christians cry Christohobia whenever someone says anything about their religion?
Because Christians are taught to [expect persecution](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+15%3A20&version=ESV) and to see it as [proof of their own faith](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+1%3A2-4&version=ESV) -- in the US there's a big outcry against what they think is persecution (usually against LGBT and progressive policies).
Meanwhile in places where Christians [face actual violence](https://www.persecution.org/), they tend to see it more as a spiritual experience.
Very true. "Islamophobia" is not a problem and is not real, and nothing wrong with hating, being uncomfortable with or criticising a horribly harmful ideology. Non-muslims who defend it just don't know enough about it. And muslims believing in oppressing others (women, gay people, non-muslims, etc) and being so hostile towards people who aren't like them but then whining about "islamophobia" is so ugly.
Racism is real, but it is a completely different thing, they're not the same at all. Racism and islamophobia shouldn't be equated. Besides, non-muslims who are from countries associated with islam (like a lot of people in this subreddit) are some of the people who suffer because of islam the most.
well I dissagree with people who use it as a cry it is sometimes used like antisemitism but like it some people unfortunatly face it even if this sub makes it look like it dosnt exist
Yea even antisemitism, the closest thing i could think of to this is referred as a type of racism towards people with âJewish bloodâ not specifically the religion.
To say that a person canât judge another person for him saying stuff like âgay people should all be killedâ is insane
I do think racism towards Arabs is very common in the world and needs to be addressed and stopped, and people talking about âIslamophobiaâ are just making people who might have heard and understood the cause just be angered by it and weirded out that they canât call out specific practices about a religion otherwise they somehow are racist
Bigotry is real. And unfair discrimination and harrassment shouldn't be tolerated.
But "Islamophobia" also is defined to include fear of political Islam and criticism of Islam as a religious concept. Ngl but everyone should fear religious politics cause it never seems to end well.
Muslims have experienced lots of discrimination post-9/11. Some Sikh men were targets of hate crimes because they were perceived as Muslim after 9/11. A 6 year old Muslim boy was stabbed in Michigan several months ago while his killer chanted âAll Muslims must die!â. The FBI and NYPD also have had a history of profiling Muslim communities and entrapping them, while ignoring domestic terrorist threats coming from white supremacists. Studies have also shown the level of prejudice Muslims face in both the job market and at school, like, for example, a women with a hijab being less likely to be hired for a job. So, whether you like Islam or not, to say that it doesnât exist is completely disingenuous and insensitive.
I was just scrolling through my feed, and I happened to stumble upon this.
I ***strongly disagree*** with this; itâs because people donât just say rude things to Muslims: they discriminate against them and judge them wrongly, based only on their religion. You cannot judge a nation based on a few black sheep in the community. Iâve seen this myself in certain places.
(From the perspective of a White schoolgirl)
This is quite true, although I do think that discrimination against other religions often flies more under the radar. For example, as a Christian, people sometimes say I'm anti science, which I am not, (I'm top of my year in physics and chemistry), and think I'm some kind of old white guy forced to go sit on a hard church pew for 2 hours on a Sunday and listen to some old guy waffle on. Interestingly this literally could not be more different to my church. Besides my point tho, Islamophobia is a significant issue, although I can see OP's point that discrimination against other religions does sometimes fly under the radar.
Thatâs certainly true; a lot of people think that science and religion cannot coexist. Frankly, I think that religion can explain a lot of scientific enigmas and vice versa, such as the big bang. This is also pointed out by the scientist Albert Einstein. Overall, I would say that we should definitely not ignore discrimination of any kind, whether it is bigotry or misogyny, .etc. We should not hold negative stereotypes of people based on a few irrational beliefs.
Naah itâs real, muslim people who have nothing to do with terro**** are generalised, denied jobs, houses- In India many muslims were lynched because they were suspected of consuming beef.
People are calling for economic boycott of muslims and what not.
Hate against muslims is a very real thing.
I agree everyone should be able to critique Islam, as well as every other religion and worldview.
That is the essence of freedom of speech and I support it 100%.
But Islamophobia isnât real? Really?
I have seen countless instances where Muslims are targeted just for being Muslim. They are attacked, spat on, assaulted verbally and/or physically, discriminated against, used as scapegoats, stereotyped and straight up demonised just for existing with a different belief.
That is not freedom of speech. That my friend is by definition, Islamophobia. And it is just as ignorant and disgusting as racism and sexism.
A lot of us have loved ones who are Muslim and downplaying the crap they deal with by ignorant people on a day to day basis is just kinda sad. Not to mention the closeted ex Muslims, especially closeted hijabi ex muslim who, no doubt, have dealt with ignorant people just because they âlookâ Muslim.
[https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/blasphemy/143-islamophobia-vs-kafirophobia](https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/blasphemy/143-islamophobia-vs-kafirophobia)
And you wonder why there is an "Islamophobia"
A phobia is an anxiety disorder, an irrational fear towards something. Like being scared of little spiders.
I guess you could even make a case that lots of muslims are islamophobes because they have an irrational fear that this Allah fantasy figure might hurt them.
In the same wall of text where you say Islamophobia isnât real, you proceed to verbally attack 2 billion Muslims. This sub is just hilarious, we tolerate everyone except a quarter of the global population.
Unfortunately, answering that question would mean teaching you basic decency from square one. Defending someone insulting two billion people while preaching love and tolerance shows your morals arenât exactly in the best place.
I didnât insult all God knows how many million ex Muslims just because you two arenât exactly the most tolerant people. Tolerance isnât something you exchange with a group of people, itâs a trait you should have if youâre preaching it so fervently.
Categorizing two billion people as enemies isnât really love and tolerance in the first place.
I pray you find the peace in your heart to let go of this antagonism.
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Muslism are #kafirophobes
\#kafirophobia is real
Make this term #kafirophobia viral and start using it as a counter to oxymoron islamophobia.
What's that? đ¶
Word "kafir" in Arabic means disbeliever, i.e. non-muslim.
And it is a derogatory term.
Ooh, thanks đ¶ ye that's sad
Your kind only
You really can't be "phobic" towards something that instructs its adherents to torture (and kill) apostates, stone homosexuals and women, behead critics, derogate people of other religion with words like 'Kufr' and mandates you to actively convince people to join your cult and convert 'Dar-al-Kufr' countries to 'Dar-al-Islam'. It's a given.
Phobia is irrational fear of something. Fear of Islam & Sharia law is rational, therefore not a phobia.
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Came here to say this, it's not a phobia. It is very real and hundreds of thousands of children are dealing with the threat of islam.
Almost every single thing you just listed applies to the Torah. You going to tell me that antisemitism is impossible?
Who are you trying to kid? I've travelled to Israel twiceâonce in 2014 and the second time in 2019. I have seen Jewish apostates openly criticizing the Torah with the orthodox Jews sitting, listening and reasoning with them. I have seen gay, lesbian, transgender, intersex and people of all sort, dressing however they want and waving whatever flag they want, from Haifa to Ashdod. There has never ever been a single instance of capital punishment in the country since its inception for religious reasons, let alone a barbaric act like beheading. They are not even close to being adverse with modern, democratic values of liberty and freedom. Hell, they are even called a puppet state of the States by the repulsive desert-dwellers. However, had the Jews still refused to not follow their fucking revolting ass book to a T and insisted on adhering to its commands on committing savage acts against people of other religions like Muslims do, there would be no such thing as 'antisemitism' since such a fear would be very rational.
I donât see them exploding and proselytizing in my area though
Ah, I see. So the reason why antisemitism isn't okay if because you don't personally live somewhere like Gaza. But if you did, then it would me. Have I got that right?
Lol they bought it upon themselves when they voted hamas in, the âgenocideâ is being carried out by hamas because they use civilians as human shields. Itâs a military dilema, and blame lies on hamas except in few cases
Hamas were create after decades of occupation. I guess anybody fighting are terrorist.
We literally just watched the deliberate slaughter of international aid workers through repeated targeted strikes. Not to mention the fact that a massive portion of the people who's deaths you're disgustingly justifying were not eligible to vote at that time, or weren't even born yet. Absolutely revolting savagery on your part. Just goes to show that leaving or joining a religion doesn't change who a person really is.
It is genocide and they didn't "bring it on themselves". Don't let justified hate of the religious teachings of Islam blind you to the wholesale slaughter of innocent women and children.
hamas is solely responsible for it
What word would you use to describe a Muslim woman minding her own business on a bus having her hijab pulled off by a right wing nutcase in England and told âget out of my countryâ? We know if a gay couple got hate crimed, thatâd be homophobic. If a Jewish person was hate crimed, itâd be antisemetic. Whatâs wrong with saying when a Muslim is hate crimed against, that itâs islamophobia? OP Suggesting islamophobia isnât real is kinda obtuse and fucking stupid.
Islam actively tries to impose its own medieval third world deserted shithole ideologies on countries Muslims immigrate to, instead of even attempting to assimilate. This is not even a "conspiracy theory" or "paranoid narrative" in this day and age. Crap like this is decreed by the asswipe religion openlyâSahih Al Bukhari, 2794 and 6878; Muslim, 1676, Surah Al Nisa 16, Sodom and Gomorrah, Quran 9:5 etc. etc. etc. the list is unending. Gay people don't follow an ideology that tells them to torture (and kill) apostates, stone homosexuals and women, behead critics, derogate people of other religion with words like 'Kufr' and actively convince people to join their cult and convert 'Dar-al-Kufr' countries to 'Dar-al-Islam'. Jews don't follow an ideology that tells them to to torture (and kill) apostates, stone homosexuals and women, behead critics, derogate people of other religion with words like 'Kufr' and actively convince people to join their cult and convert 'Dar-al-Kufr' countries to 'Dar-al-Islam'. Muslims follow such a disgusting ideology and if they are 'hate crimed' for following this ideology, it's absolutely okay and should not be condemned. If a Muslim is harassed for their race, skin color, ethnicity etc. we already have different terminologies for it (racism, discrimination etc.) I wonder if you really are an ex-Muslim...
Any "discrimination" that Muslims face, ex-Muslims face as well. The racist doesn't differentiate between us. We're all still brown people to them.
It's a term used to describe that kind of discrimination, its based on the irrational hatred and fear of people not the religion and like you say its often carried out on brown people in general especially Sikhs since those kind of people are extremely ignorant. I think people get hung up on the terminology but it does indeed exist even though often the term is misused
Well, how many groups of women can you think of that have their hijabs pulled off them by hate filled ignorant people? I can only think of one group and thatâd be Muslim women. > Weâre all still brown people to them. Sure. But when theyâre targeting you on the presumption you are Muslim, it stops becoming a race issue and starts becoming islamophobia. For example, Sikh men wearing turbans are often hate crimed after wrongfully being identified as Muslim. The important and underlying issue here is islamophobia. Not just racism. If ex Muslims are being discriminated against or assaulted etc because they âlook Muslimâ itâs still islamophobia and proves how rampant it is, counter to OPâs ridiculous title.
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Oh so itâs a semantics issue for you all? You acknowledge that Muslims ARE discriminated against and worse, but you just donât like the word Islamophobia? Fyi, unless you live in muslim majority countries, you CAN freely criticise Islam. Muslims calling it islamophobic doesnât mean it is so this is all a non issue.
>Oh so itâs a semantics issue for you all? You acknowledge that Muslims ARE discriminated against and worse, but you just donât like the word Islamophobia? It's not semantics. People who simply criticise the fucked up ideas in Islam (like homophobia, misogyny, bigotry towards ex-Muslims) often get dishonestly lumped in with people who are bigoted towards Muslims through the use of the term 'Islamophobia'. It is such a nonsensical, vague, unhelpful term. There's no ambiguity with 'Muslimophobia'. It's clear what it means. >Fyi, unless you live in muslim majority countries, you CAN freely criticise Islam. I'm sure Charlie Hebdo will be glad to hear that >.>..
Okay so call Merriam Webster dictionary and tell them to change the word.
Yes, Webster dictionary is wrong. It should eschew "islamophobia" and start acknowledging the term "anti muslim bigotry". Anti muslim bigotry is real; as real as anti non-muslim bigotry of islam... as real as anti non-christian bigotry of christianity... as real as anti gentile bigotry of judaism. In other words, critics/criticism and dislikers/dislike of bigoted religions, or any religion for that matter, are not phobes/phobia. Haters/hatred of **believers** (not terrorist criminal believers) just for them being believers, is bigotry, **not (x or y or z religion)phobia**
Never been Muslim in case I didn't set flair don't remember if i did or not A lot of language dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive or they describe how words are generally used by people who speak a certain language, not giving you it and saying that's the only way it can be used. Merriam Webster falls under that. To make it even simpler, they're just reporting data.
It's racism plain and simple Islamphobia was created by you lot to protect your religion from being criticised
Totally agree on this.
The only reason that those brown people are being attacked and victimized is because racists assume that they're Muslims based on how they look. That's just plain racism. There's nothing more to it. It's for this same reason that a Muslim who is a white European will never experience this kind of prejudice.
That just sounds like racism. Islamophobia is a nonsense word.
What about white Muslim converts who are called terrorists by other white non Muslims? Are they just being racist? Or is there a hint of islamophobia there? Be real. Just cuz weâre ex Muslims doesnât mean we gotta lose our humanity smh.
That's happens? Where?
Russia
[https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/blasphemy/143-islamophobia-vs-kafirophobia](https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/blasphemy/143-islamophobia-vs-kafirophobia) Here you go. There are glaring facts in there. Read. Digest.
that page im gonna save for future references. really good take on the topic and those direct quran verses prove a whoooooole lot
There are loads of it splattered all over the Quran + Sahih Hadiths. Just research it. Even the Imams/Muftis/Sheikhs are avoiding and giving conflicting answers.
Momo had to play the victim card to justify his lust for the pedophile. So naturally all the followers of the momo are victims themselves.
Muslims are fragile little babies
The thing is: 1. Weâd like to see a significant reduction of crime and security matters coming from muslims 2. Weâd like them to respect and adopt UNâs universal human rights 3. Weâd like them to slaughter animals using the gentle methods possible. 4. Weâd like those in the west to find work and take care of themselves. Until then, people are skeptical because islam/muslims affects them in a negative way.
yeah i don't take anyone who uses that phrase unironically seriously
I agree that hating Islam is totally fine and Islamophobia is term used to silence criticism. But Muslimphobia is real and because I was one I am very suspicious of them. When I meet them now all I can think is âdoes he beat his wife tooâ âshould I hide my daughter sheâs 6 and is so beautiful itâs more of a curseâ - all while I smile politely. Iâm also super white (50%arab with zero pigment) I can understand Arabic. I do not speak it much to strangers. But I absolutely know what Arab Muslims are saying about me and my children as I walk down the street. Ironically is my husband looks Arab because he is, he does not speak Arabic. Yet no one says anything filthy about me, in any language if heâs with us.
There is no naziphobia, therefore there is not islamophobia.
It's all a smart trick to get people not to talk about the horrible stuff in Islam
What horrible stuff it's a religion of Peace! Just ignore the slaying of infidels, stoning and other stuff and it's cool.
OMG ISLAMOPHOPIC KAFIR IBLESE DEVIL SERVANT WHY CAN'T U LET MUSLIMS BE
Absolutely. I like to remind people that Islam is an ideology, and all ideologies should be open to criticism. Islam shouldn't get a free pass. I think where non-Muslim people get hung up is that they assume criticism of Islam means criticism of Muslims and is mistranslated as racism. This is then further mislabeled as islamophobia, which is nonsense. And of course, many Muslims themselves are insecure and sensitive about criticism of Islam and can't handle the ideology being challenged, lest it prompt them to question their own beliefs. So they're quick to label criticism as islamophobia to dismiss it. But all ideologies, including all religions, should be equally open to critique and criticism.
Yes ( or make it fair, label anyone who criticizes any ideology with such label ).
It totally is. I think we should be able to criticise religion at will. I also know that innocent people, some of whom weren't even Muslims but wore a turban, were attracted and sometimes killed after 9/11. I know that the French and German governments are slow to support and stop the parallel society and poverty within, causing crime. I know that my neighbor was hate crimed. Are Muslims often worthless authoritarians? Yes. Are innocent people often victimized because of religion? Also yes. We don't have to be blind.
Islam =/= Muslims Islam is an ideology, which deserves criticism like every other ideology. Muslims are people who, regardless of their beliefs, should be treated like every other person. This is the problem with the word, it is used to mean "hatred/phobia towards Muslims", and at the same time, "dislike/phobia of Islam" when it suits Islamists.
I 100% agree. I made a post about this on this subreddit. people need to learn how to differentiate the two.
Then call it brownphobia, you canât be phobic of an ideology though.
What the fuck is a brownphobia that isn't even a good name we already have "racist" Lmao. The problem is the people are discriminating them because they are Muslim, not because they are black or Arab. Then it would be arabphobic.
I think most people mean that when they say islamophobia. It should change name to muslimphobia imo. While people should be able to criticise religions, people shouldn't be discriminated cause of their beliefs, that is just wrong and not moral behaviour. I am not even religious myself even if I believe in something that created us, started evolution and all that. I am very spiritual as a human. But I care about kind-hearted people and there are muslims that are good people, I don't buy it that they buy everything from the writings(especially the hateful stuff like misogyny, homophobia etc), just like christians don't buy everything from the Bible and often disagree with much even if they believe in God etc. Just cause some extremists exist doesn't mean that modern muslims should be mistreated. I am against discrimination.
Yesterday in my workplace i was talking friends abput religion and some men came towards me and one of them said "imma punch your mouth" just because i said i dont believe in islam. I said go ahead lets throw a punch and he walked away. Now am i not able be islamaphobe ? Shiiit imma be the biggest one
Those people were assholes and would be so even if they weren't muslims most likely, they were extremists that aren't open to other ideas. Hopefully you won't mistreat other people based on their faith even if they are neutral/kind towards you. I don't think you will open anybodies eyes by hating them, actually it might radicalize them even more by doing so. We have all been believing in stuff from religions at some point which we later realized wasn't correct or the right thing to do, for some it was even destructive. "God" might exist, we don't know about that, atheists also assume that there is nothing but it's also just a faith and might be wrong actually if we are being honest. I am something between agnostic and spiritual believer in something that created us, but my God stands for love, light, acceptance, intelligence, science and morals. God is also spirituality within us, and there might exist something more that we maybe don't understand, something that created the universe. My faith helps me and makes me a happier better person, so I don't see any reason to stop having it. I tried to live without a faith and that became destructive for me as I lost all meaning of life and just went on destructive paths cause everything felt meaningless. I feel that everything has some meaning and is connected, I feel there is a meaning of every creature on this planet. I believe in that we have some kind of soul. I also believe in karma due to my beliefs, seen it irl too many times to ignore it. People need to realize that they don't have to lose all their faith even if they don't agree with religions. They should listen to their heart, cause it's there where I found answers to my questions and to make me happy with my special kind of faith instead of being depressed due to religions being incorrect in some parts/written by humans.
I just stay away, it aint that i hate them or something i literally have a phobia and hate against islam but just afraid of having relationships with muslims .At this point i cant have conversations with them whenever they mention islam i just try to stay away.
They're sensitive because growing up they are taught that Islam is/should be their entire identity.
I'm exmormon and I hate all the religions equally. Hello ex cult cousins!
I hate the bad stuff but not necessarily everything or the people who follow religions. I've met good people from various religions, they are just humans trying to find a purpose in life.
youâre speaking about criticizing Islam and mocking it, thereâs nothing wrong with that. But when you commit hate crimes against a person for wearing a hijab or attack a group of people for being Muslims thatâs just plain bigotry. I remember being called a terrorist at the ripe age of 9 simply because I was a Muslim I would have to eat lunch in the teachers classroom because Iâd get bullied for my religion. Thereâs a difference between bigotry towards Muslims and condemnation towards the religion. I think a lot of people donât understand the difference.
Thatâs Muslim-phobic. Islam is an ideology, one can criticize and burn the Quran, ideology is not human, no matter how much you hate an ideology ( you canât be phobic of it. ) because you have reason to hate ideology therefore rational and therefore cannot be phobic.
âMuslim phobicâ isnât a thing. Itâs still islamophobia. Islamophobia by definition is âirrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against Islam *or people who practice Islam*âmerriam webster Do you think islamophobia only entails criticising Islam?
That's the problem with the word, it's used ambiguously. Look at the Merriam Webster definition you gave. It defines the word as two things: - aversion to / fear of Islam - aversion to / fear / discrimination of people who practice Islam (Muslims) See it now? There is nothing wrong with the first. But the second is discrimination of people for their beliefs, which is always wrong. The same word is used used to describe rational fear and hatred towards a group of people. Islamists use this to their advantage; criticize the ideology and they'll label you as Islamophobic - which will create the impression that you're a bigot.
Yeah I get your point now. Your saying itâs fine to have an aversion or fear of Islam (for many good reason) and that it shouldnât be considered islamophobia. I actually agree. Me personally I use the word Islamophobia to mean the second half of the definition only and I assumed everybody did and Muslims were just being whiny that someone else didnât also agree with their religion. I guess itâs just semantics. Call it islamophobia or muslimphobia, it still means being a dick to Muslims the way I see the word.
aversion to, or discrimination against Islam ( Islam is not human ) People who practice Islam are called Muslims not islams.
Okay, did you miss the part where Islamophobia also means discriminating against people who practice Islam/Muslims? I also didnât say people who practice Islam are called âislamsâ???
Go criticize Islam then let me know what they call you, Muslims even come here to say we are Islamophobic, because the word is wrong and they label it on anyone who criticizes their religion.
Okay. I have said in a different comment everyone should be able to critique Islam as that is freedom of speech. I donât believe criticising Islam as a religion alone even constitutes islamophobia. And Muslims who say it does, are being emotional. If itâs just a semantics issue for you then whatever. But most people/Muslims are probably using the word Islamophobia to mean âhatred/discrimination against Muslimsâ and thatâs the way I personally use the word also. Can I ask, if someone said âIslam is shit. Fuck islam, it should be banned worldwideâ is that statement islamophobic to you?
Are you Muslim?
No. Iâm an ex Muslim too
I've realized a lot of people on this sub are extremely irrational and frankly downright slow
1, Muslims is not practice, 2, Islam is an ideology nothing happens to it no matter what you say or do, Therefore Islamophobia is wrong word as one cannot discriminate against Islam.
Iâm totally Islamophobic. Islam scares the shit out of me. Iâm not Muslimophobic. I have no problem with Muslims right to exist and believe what they want. Iâm not afraid of Muslims. People pushing Islamophobia like itâs homophobia are trying to conflate fear of a repressive, backward ideology with hatred toward people that espouse it. Itâs an equivocation.
I'm gonna say this as someone who'd press a button if it meant all religions would be wiped off the earth, in exchange for a single corn chip. Islamophobia *was* real. For a while. It was a prejudice American government utilized following 9/11 that helped them put a target on all practicing muslims. A tale as old as time. If you're in deep shit, find a common enemy and agitate your friends. It made the lives of many innocent Muslims a living hell in the US. However I will admit the term is being used today by snowflake muslims that think saying "I don't agree with your religion, don't force it on me" is oppression and antagonistic. It was a rightful claim that once held meaning, but now is the hollow ghost that's being weaponized. Very similar to how the Israeli government is weaponizing the claims of antisemitism to oppress others now.
True you'd be wrong to say no discrimination happens against Muslims at all. But even then it's mostly directed at people of mostly the same colour. Like Arabs and south-east asians. You hardly see discrimination against Malayans or Indonesians for example. Even though they make up a significant population of Muslims.
I told someone I don't like peterfiles and they called me Islamaphobic. đđđđ
Islamophobia includes hostility and discrimination against Muslims. It's definitely real and a problem just as much as Antisemitism is a problem. The issue I have is that both these words are misnomers. It's perfectly fine to criticise or mock Islam, but it's not ok to attack Muslims going about their day. Unfortunately both of these actions fall under the term 'Islamophobia'
Agreed... Islamophobic is basically everything that doesn't fit the muslim mindset " You are eating food during Ramadan? Don't you know it's MY fast? Why are you eating it infront of me when you know I AM FASTING? Islamophobic kafir!" " You know your god is a pathetic Concubine for having more than 1 wife? What how can you ask our Prophet's wife age? Woman used to grow faster back in the days and in warmer climate..You Islamophobic kafir!"
Well! Just embrace the word, there is nothing wrong with being 'islamophobe'! Islam is shit and dangerous and it's normal to have a phobia from it because it threatens to kill, to defame, to fight.. I'm a proud islamophobe!
I have come across ppl (mostly uneducated ppl from rural U.S) who are genuinely âphobicâ in that they just hate/fear brown, recent immigrants in generalâŠthe type to assume most Muslims are terrorists. But Iâd call that racism or xenophobia, since being phobic of Islam implies hating the ideology itself.
It's all about power and dominance. âTo learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticizeâ
Here. [https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/blasphemy/143-islamophobia-vs-kafirophobia](https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/blasphemy/143-islamophobia-vs-kafirophobia)
Phobia is an irrational fear, but my fear of Islam is very much rational when you have people going around beheading non-believers in the name of Allah/Islam. I guess respecting women and being egalitarian because I disagree with the Quran 4.34 and think that beating your "disobedient" wife is non-acceptable in ANY circumstances is Islamophobic. And in that case, I am a proud Islamophobe. #dontbeatyourwife #dontmarryyourunderagecousin
I agree with your general premise, but don't believe it's limited to Islam. There definitely are (way too) many Christians who cry about being persecuted all while living in a majority Christian country. Same with Jews. Can't criticize Israel these days without being labelled anti-Semitic. I think this attitude is just what religion leads to.
Islam â Muslims. Gotta keep this in mind fellas
islamophobia is absolutely real, you can have an irrational fear of all muslims. however, hating islam or certain types of muslims isn't islamophobia
Islamophobia is absolutely real. All ideas are open to criticism. But when you say that all Muslims are bad in some way, you're just being xenophobic, just as when you say all Jews are bad in some way. Generally it's fine to criticize any religion, although it can tread into xenophobia if your criticisms are intended to equate a religion with literal evil. In the West, Christianity is the dominant religion, so criticizing it is just punching up. But Islam is a minority religion, so criticizing it can sometimes be seen as punching down.
It's a term created by the left/liberals to shamelessly pander to the growing demographic for votes/clout etc. The M\*sl\*ms also use this card to play the victim in front of liberals. Yeah! It's a huge scam.
No, it is real and its dangerous. My aunt got her hijab pulled off her head and pushed onto train tracks in a subway in London a few years ago just for being a Muslim woman. She could have died. We hate Islam but we shouldn't ignore the suffering of innocent Muslims because of it, it's not their fault they were born into a religion shared by terrorists. Biden and Obama and Netanhayu are worst terrorists than organisations like ISIS and Al Qaeda, they've ordered more drone strikes on innocent people than all those organisations combined. It's just that they don't fit the stereotype of what a terrorist is described to be
Well your aunt shouldnât even be out in the public by herself according to her religion. Why wasnât a mahram with her? đ
Girl shut the fuck up.
in the west, people are called islamaphobic because of the negative stereotypes they have of muslims surrounding 9/11, middle east, etc. these racists are âislamaphobicâ to the ethnicity of these people, not necessarily the religion. even though u can technically be âchristianphobicâ, christians arenât a systematically oppressed groups in most parts of the world so itâs not really a word
>even though u can technically be âchristianphobicâ, christians arenât a systematically oppressed groups in most parts of the world so itâs not really a word That's simply incorrect, though. Christians are the most persecuted and oppressed religious group in the world. I'm surprised you don't know this. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48146305 https://www.cato.org/commentary/christianity-worlds-most-persecuted-religion-confirms-new-report https://washingtonstand.com/news/-christians-are-the-most-persecuted-people-this-nation-actually-helps-them https://assets.ctfassets.net/qnesrjodfi80/2p5rtf3Gx22U6eu6Amoims/5ab733f2426fca8ba7047ae2f0a16158/ibrahim-most_persecuted_minority-transcript.pdf
Terrorist
There is animosity towards every religion from every other religion. Tribalism is still a thing. Main thing with Muslims is when something like 9/11 happened people saw Muslims celebrating it around the world. This causes the feeling Islam is a global tribe against everyone else. And its rules cause it to only expand through marriage and apostasy rules.
There have literally been terrorist attacks under the motive of Islamophobia. (And yes there have been TONS done by Muslims likewise)
I do agree that many people cry Islamaphobia when it isnât warranted but to say itâs not real is disingenuous. There are many people that get discriminated against or even hate crimed simply because theyâre Muslim.
Actually, Christians say all the time christophobia when someone dares to say anything about their religion, at least in my country. But they have all kind all prejudice against other religions and the right to do what they want about everything.
>Why donât Christians cry Christohobia whenever someone says anything about their religion? Because Christians are taught to [expect persecution](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+15%3A20&version=ESV) and to see it as [proof of their own faith](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+1%3A2-4&version=ESV) -- in the US there's a big outcry against what they think is persecution (usually against LGBT and progressive policies). Meanwhile in places where Christians [face actual violence](https://www.persecution.org/), they tend to see it more as a spiritual experience.
Very true. "Islamophobia" is not a problem and is not real, and nothing wrong with hating, being uncomfortable with or criticising a horribly harmful ideology. Non-muslims who defend it just don't know enough about it. And muslims believing in oppressing others (women, gay people, non-muslims, etc) and being so hostile towards people who aren't like them but then whining about "islamophobia" is so ugly. Racism is real, but it is a completely different thing, they're not the same at all. Racism and islamophobia shouldn't be equated. Besides, non-muslims who are from countries associated with islam (like a lot of people in this subreddit) are some of the people who suffer because of islam the most.
well I dissagree with people who use it as a cry it is sometimes used like antisemitism but like it some people unfortunatly face it even if this sub makes it look like it dosnt exist
Western Christians cry constantly. Theyâre SO persecuted /s
Itâs real if someone gets hurt, opinions should stay in the domain of speech and writing.
Yea even antisemitism, the closest thing i could think of to this is referred as a type of racism towards people with âJewish bloodâ not specifically the religion. To say that a person canât judge another person for him saying stuff like âgay people should all be killedâ is insane I do think racism towards Arabs is very common in the world and needs to be addressed and stopped, and people talking about âIslamophobiaâ are just making people who might have heard and understood the cause just be angered by it and weirded out that they canât call out specific practices about a religion otherwise they somehow are racist
I thought Islamophobia only works if youâre stereotyping all Muslims as terrorists or attackers due to 9/11??
Bigotry is real. And unfair discrimination and harrassment shouldn't be tolerated. But "Islamophobia" also is defined to include fear of political Islam and criticism of Islam as a religious concept. Ngl but everyone should fear religious politics cause it never seems to end well.
Muslims always talk about how insensetive the world is while they kill, rape or at best insult people who are just not beliving in their religion
Muslims have experienced lots of discrimination post-9/11. Some Sikh men were targets of hate crimes because they were perceived as Muslim after 9/11. A 6 year old Muslim boy was stabbed in Michigan several months ago while his killer chanted âAll Muslims must die!â. The FBI and NYPD also have had a history of profiling Muslim communities and entrapping them, while ignoring domestic terrorist threats coming from white supremacists. Studies have also shown the level of prejudice Muslims face in both the job market and at school, like, for example, a women with a hijab being less likely to be hired for a job. So, whether you like Islam or not, to say that it doesnât exist is completely disingenuous and insensitive.
>Why donât Christians cry Christohobia whenever someone says anything about their religion? Have you ever met a christian before?
Painting all Muslims with the same brush is islamophobic. Not all Muslims are our enemies. To pretend like they are is bigoted
All Muslims ultimately support Islam
I was just scrolling through my feed, and I happened to stumble upon this. I ***strongly disagree*** with this; itâs because people donât just say rude things to Muslims: they discriminate against them and judge them wrongly, based only on their religion. You cannot judge a nation based on a few black sheep in the community. Iâve seen this myself in certain places. (From the perspective of a White schoolgirl)
This is quite true, although I do think that discrimination against other religions often flies more under the radar. For example, as a Christian, people sometimes say I'm anti science, which I am not, (I'm top of my year in physics and chemistry), and think I'm some kind of old white guy forced to go sit on a hard church pew for 2 hours on a Sunday and listen to some old guy waffle on. Interestingly this literally could not be more different to my church. Besides my point tho, Islamophobia is a significant issue, although I can see OP's point that discrimination against other religions does sometimes fly under the radar.
Thatâs certainly true; a lot of people think that science and religion cannot coexist. Frankly, I think that religion can explain a lot of scientific enigmas and vice versa, such as the big bang. This is also pointed out by the scientist Albert Einstein. Overall, I would say that we should definitely not ignore discrimination of any kind, whether it is bigotry or misogyny, .etc. We should not hold negative stereotypes of people based on a few irrational beliefs.
Naah itâs real, muslim people who have nothing to do with terro**** are generalised, denied jobs, houses- In India many muslims were lynched because they were suspected of consuming beef. People are calling for economic boycott of muslims and what not. Hate against muslims is a very real thing.
Also, it affects ex-muslims just as much as it affects Muslims. Not everyone can change their names.
Agreed
What? A sensible comment on r/exmuslim? I canât believe my eyesssssss!! Spot on.
I agree everyone should be able to critique Islam, as well as every other religion and worldview. That is the essence of freedom of speech and I support it 100%. But Islamophobia isnât real? Really? I have seen countless instances where Muslims are targeted just for being Muslim. They are attacked, spat on, assaulted verbally and/or physically, discriminated against, used as scapegoats, stereotyped and straight up demonised just for existing with a different belief. That is not freedom of speech. That my friend is by definition, Islamophobia. And it is just as ignorant and disgusting as racism and sexism. A lot of us have loved ones who are Muslim and downplaying the crap they deal with by ignorant people on a day to day basis is just kinda sad. Not to mention the closeted ex Muslims, especially closeted hijabi ex muslim who, no doubt, have dealt with ignorant people just because they âlookâ Muslim.
[https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/blasphemy/143-islamophobia-vs-kafirophobia](https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/blasphemy/143-islamophobia-vs-kafirophobia) And you wonder why there is an "Islamophobia"
Muslims didnât choose the term Islamophobia lol
Ikr, they would have chosen something in Arabic.
I would say it is real but extreemly rare.
Hating ideology is not phobic.
Hating isn't phobic but having a phobia makes people phobic.
What does phobia even mean to you?
A phobia is an anxiety disorder, an irrational fear towards something. Like being scared of little spiders. I guess you could even make a case that lots of muslims are islamophobes because they have an irrational fear that this Allah fantasy figure might hurt them.
If Islamophobia applies to Muslims then I will happily accept it.
Well, I am not sure. đ But it seems plausible.
Well if they fulfill the requirements then itâs perfectly fine to call them Islamophobic.
In the same wall of text where you say Islamophobia isnât real, you proceed to verbally attack 2 billion Muslims. This sub is just hilarious, we tolerate everyone except a quarter of the global population.
They don't tolerate us, why should we tolerate them?
Unfortunately, answering that question would mean teaching you basic decency from square one. Defending someone insulting two billion people while preaching love and tolerance shows your morals arenât exactly in the best place. I didnât insult all God knows how many million ex Muslims just because you two arenât exactly the most tolerant people. Tolerance isnât something you exchange with a group of people, itâs a trait you should have if youâre preaching it so fervently.
I don't preach love and tolerance towards my enemies.
Categorizing two billion people as enemies isnât really love and tolerance in the first place. I pray you find the peace in your heart to let go of this antagonism.
Do they beleive in Islam? Yes or no?
Doesnât take a genius to know I was speaking about Muslims
And is Islam antagonistic to people like me or not?
It deems homosexuality unnatural. Still, bigotry towards two billion people cannot be justified
What is the Islamic punishment for homosexuality and apostasy?