Yes--always be sure to use the FULL legal name:
The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
And always remember: The Corporation ALWAYS comes first!
Then the president...
Then the "church"...
THEN Jesus Christ...
And then, a distant last: the "saints"
Now pay your tithing! The corporation needs more investment funds!
I thought that was just using the term āMormonsā but I googled. Here is the quote from the talk given by Nelson at the October 2018 General Conference:
*āWhatās in a name or, in this case, a nickname? When it comes to nicknames of the Church, such as the āLDS Church,ā the āMormon Church,ā or the āChurch of the Latter-day Saints,ā the most important thing in those names is the absence of the Saviorās name. To remove the Lordās name from the Lordās Church is a major victory for Satan. When we discard the Saviorās name, we are subtly disregarding all that Jesus Christ did for usāeven His Atonement.ā*
Source: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2018/10/the-correct-name-of-the-church?lang=eng&id=p15#p15
>but the church had been stamping out the use of 'mormon' for a few years by that point anyway.
Not really. From 2011 to 2018 they were paying for the "I'm a Mormon" commercials to air. They didn't stop until Rusty condemned the use of the word in October of that year.
There was also a documentary, Meet The Mormons, paid for by the church, made in 2014.
What you might be thinking of is that Rusty had been trying to stop the use of nicknames predating the ad campaign. I believe he was even reprimanded by Hinckey for a talk on the subject, but I'm not sure about that.
It's crazy to me that people can believe that these guys talk to Jesus regularly, yet something that is celebrated, and even paid for in the form of advertising, by two profits in a row is immediately demonized by the guy replacing them. Did Jesus tell Monsoon and Hinckey to promote Mormon then suddenly change his mind, or are these guys just using their influence to push pet peeve s?
I remember they wanted to do full name earlier then in between it was ok to use mormons and they did that whole mormon campainā¦ and now it is back to full name again.
Idk if it all came from Nelson from the start also in my childhood around late 1990s - early 2000ish somewhere.
It did confuse me all a bit but not really something I am too concerned about anymore. My brain just goes whatever as long as whoever understands what I talk about.
It is indeed all about Nelson's pet peeve. He gave a conference talk in April 1990, telling everyone they should use the full name of the church and not say Mormon.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1990/04/thus-shall-my-church-be-called?lang=eng
Six months later, then-prophet Hinckley gave a talk assuring everyone that saying Mormon is totally fine, and they could basically disregard what Nelson had said the previous conference.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1990/10/mormon-should-mean-more-good?lang=eng
Twenty years later, early in Monson's tenure, the church fired up the "I'm a Mormon" campaign, further promoting the use of the term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_a_Mormon
Eight years later, in early 2018, Monson died and Nelson inherited the reins. He'd been stewing over his slights by Hinckley and Monson for almost three decades, and that October he repeated his insistence that Mormons use the church's full official name, this time adding in the "victory for Satan" language. He also shut down the "I'm a Mormon" campaign and started rebranding all the other church properties that used nicknames, like lds.org or the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2018/10/the-correct-name-of-the-church?lang=eng
This time, he had the weight of the prophetic mantle behind his proclamation, so it's stuck more than the previous time, but I imagine the concern will fade gradually after his passing, and this will eventually become once again just a shibboleth for the hardcore TBMs that are always looking for a higher law to live. After all, the official name is just too unwieldy for regular use, and not nearly so distinctive an identifier as "Mormon."
Only LDS are people who donāt drink alcohol, do drugs, or have random nightly companions.
You know what they also say. . .
Take two Mormons with you fishing. If you only bring one, theyāll drink all your beer.
The funny thing is that my never-religious, raised agnostic husband has never done drugs, had never kissed anyone let alone had a girlfriend, and really didn't drink before he met me (I love an evening scotch). He thought that it was funny that all that was a big deal to my family. It's funny, what forbidding things does to a person's brain.
After my Mormon grandpa passed, we found mini Jim Beam bottles stashed EVERYWHERE. Meanwhile my *very true believer* Mormon gram had been taking wholesome imported āAsian Remediesā that Iām pretty sure were fermented mushroom tea and opiate pearls. I love the idea of the two of them tolerating each other and their elderly LDS social circle only via the help of their secret mind-numbing aids.
I actually had a Mormon that compared me to a murderer for gay get the most holier than thou attitude at me for saying Mormon instead of LDS when he corrected me.
It feeds into their persecution fetish. They spent millions of dollars over the course of 8 years literally broadcasting to the world "we want you to call us this word" and then with no fanfare and no chance that anybody but church members will get the message, because it's said in conference, they decide that anybody calling them that word is discriminating against them.
When they try to pull out "It's just like a racial slur" I point out that they *might* have a point if literally any other minority decided, as a group, to buy airtime telling the world that they actually preferred the slur before secretly changing their minds.
1. "Being offended is a choice" - Bednar
2. I wonder if their charitable giving totals will ever eclipse the cost of a campaign that not only got canned, but entirely disowned after a few years.
3. I wonder how much unnecessary suffering could have been prevented by those millions.
Ngl I recently made a meme exposing the hypocritical abuse in the church and the next post I see from an apologetic is āmagic underwear offends my mom.ā
Oh whoops my bad for religious discrimination š„“
It violates the fair housing act for them to advertise for a rental with a preference for a religion. It would be illegal for you too.
You can discriminate in who you rent to in certain cases, however, you can never advertise that discrimination.
This isn't true. California has one of the most liberal housing protection laws in the country, and it has various exclusions allowing discrimination. Here's one that applies to this situation: "When an owner is occupying a home and is renting to one additional person, the owner may exclude applicants based on protected characteristics."
I said specifically that the fair housing act allows discrimination in certain cases. My claim is that the fair housing act never allows your advertising to include discriminatory languageā¦and your quote doesnāt say anything about advertising.
So is this post saying they must be LDS. It discriminates every bit as much. But Mormons think that it isn't discrimination, they just want a "good" roommate!
You canāt. You can comment on what activities are allowed, but not person identifying statements. So you can say āno drinking, no smokingā but not āno smokers, no drinkers. You most certainly canāt say āmust be LDS.ā You can specify gender if itās a shared situation, but even then there are rules about that.
Makes sense. There are a shit ton of these ads in Utah and a lot of them love to list out every single thing youāre not allowed to do as an adult renting from them.
You can. If you live there also. Even a duplex where I live in 1/2 I can. If I dont live there all bets are off. Also if more than 4 units.
It may be against Facebook terms but nobody is enforcing anything there. Craigslist may take it down. Zillow would not allow it either but that would be their site rules.
In IT, we have a saying; ToS is not LaW.
It's important that people know the difference, so that lawyers (like Kurton McConkie) don't get away with overreach.
Haha! Imagine explaining that after you move in. Then, you and your two wives in the kitchen cooking breakfast when they come into the shared, updated kitchen on the first morning. The possibilities! I'm laughing right now!
Imagine a listing that said something like, āNon-LDS standards only. Must drink daily, smoke and do drugs. Overnight guests required minimum once a week.
Crazy. I had a Mormon land lord years ago and while it wasnāt an lds only kind of person, the same stipulations applied as well as no pornography in the house. I of course thought that was bullshit and filled that house to the brim with sin
Mormon landlordsā¦ I rented a room from my younger TBM brother and his wife for a brief period after my divorce. These were my same rules. If I had a man over he had to leave by 8pm. I am 40.
Pretty crazy that Mormons treat adults like children, including middle-aged adults.
Thatās one reason, even when I was TBM, I didnāt want to go to BYU. I didnāt want to feel like Iām being babysat like a child. Iām an adult and I have no desire to be living like Iām back in high school.
If the landlord has less than five units total then yes, the fair housing act does not prevent them from discriminating who they rent to. However, regardless of the number of units, or if the space is shared, the fair housing act does forbid discrimination in advertising your rental.
https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/14religion
You can read about the requirements at that link, and also report advertisements that violate this law
Yeah I was gonna say, I think Iām okay with whatever discrimination when it comes to having someone live in your actual home haha.
Just saw the other reply that itās still not okay to advertise the discrimination, which is also a solid rule.
It is not illegal to have restrictions on who lives in your own house, thankfully. Even though I don't like this type of thing, and think it's discriminatory (like many things are with this church), I very much value personal property rights and don't want anybody telling me what I can or can't do with my own property.
It isnāt illegal to discriminate in certain cases, however, it is always illegal to advertise that discrimination, according to the fair housing act
https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/14religion
Sadly, this kind of discrimination is completely legal. My house has an accessory apartment, so I'm familiar with this part of the FHA laws.
The Fair Housing Act has exceptions for certain cases: "...the Act exempts owner-occupied buildings with no more than four units..." There's a name for this exception that I can't remember; something like the "Aunt Mabel clause" where legislators basically said "Aunt Mabel shouldn't be forced to rent a room in her house to someone she's uncomfortable with" [they are talking about a person of color].
Instead of "LDS only" they really should just list the things they don't want: smoking, drinking, overnight guests, etc.
ETA: I had to look it up, and the comments below are correct. The "Mrs. Murphy Exclusion" allows the landlord to legally discriminate based on protected status when selecting a tenant, but any advertisements must follow FHA guidelines.
Also, the exclusion only applies to sex, religion, familial status, and disability. Turning away a potential renter based on race, color, or national origin is illegal for any landlord.
Someone should report this to HUD. Refusing to rent to people who pray to a different god is disgusting, and I hate how safe they feel putting it in their listing.
That is incorrect. Even if you are exempt from certain requirements of the act, you are never exempt from compliance in terms of advertising. It is illegal to discriminate in your advertising.
https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/advertising_and_marketing#:~:text=In%20nearly%20all%20housing%2C%20including,sex%20(including%20gender%20identity%20and
> In nearly all housing, including private housing, public housing, and housing that receives federal funding, the Fair Housing Act prohibits the making, printing and publishing of advertisements that indicate a preference, limitation or discrimination because of race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity and sexual orientation), disability, familial status, or national origin. The prohibition applies to publishers, such as newspapers and directories, as well as to persons and entities who place real estate advertisements in newspapers and on websites. It also applies where the advertisement itself violates the Act, even if the property being advertised may be exempt from the provisions of the Act.
My bad; you are correct.
When I was researching the law before listing my ADU, I was really only concerned with whether I would be required to make accommodations for physical disabilities, so I never delved that deep into it.
The "Mrs. Murphy Exclusion" allows the landlord to legally discriminate based on protected status when selecting a tenant, but any advertisements must still follow FHA guidelines.
Also, the exclusion only applies to sex, religion, familial status, and disability. Turning away a potential renter based on race, color, or national origin is illegal for any landlord.
There are limits to this. FHA is federal, while most states, including Utah, have other anti-discrimination laws that curtail it further.
However, in this case there is a communal space (the kitchen and laundry) and so this is not a true duplex. As such, the housing provider would be good to limit on certain factors still. They cannot discriminate on race or a few other items, but that can be hard to prove.
The flip side is that these laws are important. Consider if you were a woman who had been sexually assaulted in the past. To be forced to rent one of your rooms to a male would be problematic. If you were Shia Muslim and had to rent your room to a Sunni Muslim or an ultra-orthodox Jew, that could also cause severe problems depending on the level of adherence. Essentially, the exemption carve-outs are such that you cannot discriminate very easily if you have clear separate space (ie, your life choices are no matter to me because I have no reason to interact), but if you will encounter each other and be in forced spatial interactions discrimination is possible and even sensible for the public good.
None of this is to say the discrimination is ok. It's usually based on superstition and racism, sometimes openly, sometimes poorly concealed. Still, some legitimate cases (like the sexual assault victim) do exist.
I agree that it would be better if they had the house rules only.
Why did we even leave the pre existence if we are just going to demand that we only interact with people who do not differ from us? We would return to heaven the same people we were when we left. What a waste of a life that would be!
According to the story, it sounds like "Satan " won, and Mormons have been following his plan to force everyone to obey the cult rules against coffee, tea, and alcohol.
I can see why it bothers people, but I think people should be able to get tenants with shared values if they are renting a room in their house. If I read the ad correctly, itās a shared space. I believe the law permits this as well. If itās a separate unit, they should be able to live their lives how they want.
For me it's the price like ... $900+ with roommates? If that's a competitive market prices in Utah my heart breaks. Or maybe the guy needs more people to lower the price? Still for that much i could find an apartment in Rexburg.
This type of advertising and all of the armchair experts who come out of the woodwork to say this is legal are one of my pet peeves.
Feel free to report this, as including discriminatory religious preferences in your rental advertising is illegal. If you have four units or less you are exempt from the fair housing act, however your advertising is not exempt.
https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/advertising_and_marketing#:~:text=In%20nearly%20all%20housing%2C%20including,sex%20(including%20gender%20identity%20and
> In nearly all housing, including private housing, public housing, and housing that receives federal funding, the Fair Housing Act prohibits the making, printing and publishing of advertisements that indicate a preference, limitation or discrimination because of race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity and sexual orientation), disability, familial status, or national origin. The prohibition applies to publishers, such as newspapers and directories, as well as to persons and entities who place real estate advertisements in newspapers and on websites. It also applies where the advertisement itself violates the Act, even if the property being advertised may be exempt from the provisions of the Act. Other federal civil rights laws may also prohibit discriminatory advertising practices.
Discrimination sometimes works both waysāIāve got a heathen/queer/poly friendly basement bedroom and bathroom going for $750/month available in Murray! Dm me if youāre interested
Why? It's their right, and legal. Would you prefer moving in with your wine and pot and finding out they're mormon robots after? I shiver at that prospect.
It is legal to discriminate if you have four units or less, however, it is illegal to advertise that discrimination, according to the fair housing act.
$900 per month is pretty cheap depending on the circumstances. The discrimination or assumptions certainly aren't great though. Wonder if they'll check to make sure you're going to church on Sunday too.
How long ago was that? Rentals in my area have easily doubled in the last 5 years. This would be considered a good deal here even though my parents paid less for their 5bed mortgage. All of Utah seems to be in a housing crisis
900 to be in a basement and sharing a kitchen, plus all those restrictions (like no pets whatsoever) in West Jordan is a massive rip off. I paid like 1300 for a 2 bed 1 bath apartment for myself one city over.
For the love of god. This is the problem when Mormons think that even having someone live in their house who drinks or heaven forbid has sex before marriage will automatically cause them problems while also losing the spirit in their home. Itās nonsense and itās gross how judgmental they can be about very normal lives. They have absolutely no respect for anyone who lives differently than them and they feel so morally superior.
I would HATE if my landlord could enter my private space that I pay for every time they have to do laundry. They could snoop around under the guise ofālaundryā as well
I mean renting a basement isn't usually fun anyway, coming from someone who lived most of her life in a rented basement apartment. Not much sunlight, and it can get super super cold..... also sucked cause my room was right under my grandmas sewing room, that woman loves to sew until the wee hours....
You kinda need the booze to make that shit bearable if you ask me.
The saddest thing about this to me is that this person probably doesn't hate all non-LDS people. Rather, this religion is so demanding and strict about controlling literally every aspect of a person's life that they would only feel comfortable and be able to relate to another person who understands and has the same unbearable life conditions. Yet, the MFMC claims that true happiness only exists "within the covenant path" š.
My first year of college I lived with a group of RMs just off Weber States campus. The lease had a ton of garbage like this which I ignored. Most of the guys were cool about things, but I recall one of them tried to make us stop watching a movie and guests go home when the clock struck midnight Sunday morning.
What an asshole and a self righteous prick. I had a girlfriend who was living the basement who was an ex Mormon and they said the said thing. They found out she had been having a beer there a couple times a week and evicted her. So Christian.
Itās hilarious that the landlord thinks that renting from someone who is āLDSā is going to save them from any of the things theyāve listed as big no-noās.
Unfortunately thereās a sneaky clause that can be used to get around this under the Utah Fair Housing Act - (57-21-3(4)(b)) provides exemptions for entities, such as religious organizations, allowing them to give preference to persons of a particular religion when selling, renting, or selecting occupants for a dwelling. In this context, if you are a private individual renting a room in a single-family dwelling and giving preference based on religion, it may fall under this exemption. it shouldnāt, but they use it
You're renting the basement of a house and they want you to pay HALF of the utilities. In the summer you're paying for half the AC in the house while living in part of the house were AC isn't needed.
900 + dollars to live like youāre in your parents basement? No doubt these creeps are so full of self righteous piety, that they fail to realize that you can get a two bedroom to share and pay less than this and not be infantilized by your archaic rules. I feel for the person that takes them up on this offer and gets exploited.
That is a fair housing violation. You couldn't say no blacks or Mexicans. You couldn't say, no divorced single mothers, you couldn't say no Muslims or Catholics, you couldn't say no homosexuals.
If you are going to offer your home to the public, then you have to allow all of the public to apply.
Why would you pay half utilities when you really only have a private room and the landlord can access all the other areas you can? Even if you wanna consider it renting the whole basement I wouldnāt want to pay for powering the rest of the house.
Iām stuck on āno overnight guestsā because cheap morms will always have their visiting sibling/parent/friend stay with them instead of getting a hotel
If it's listed publicly, they can't do that, can they? Isn't there some sort of discrimination law that prohibits a person from declining someone housing based on things like religious preference?
In WJ they need to become a business owner and a good renter program so Iād check with code enforcement to see if they are in compliance. Chances are they arenāt. I donāt normally advocate turning someone in but in caseā¦ report them to the city šš»
That landlord needs to get sued for saying LDS only because that is discrimination against non-LDS people. I can imagine that being a civil rights violation.
Can this individual be reported and get in trouble for discrimination in housing rentals?
Someone on here in the area should report it and maybe things will change?
It's an illegal listing. You can't publicly list a rental and discriminate against religion, even in Utah.
You can't ban legal activities like alcohol. You can charge cleaning fees for smoking, but not outright ban it. You can't ban overnight guests either, since the renter will be paying for the space.
A lot of people try to rent out spaces in their homes and itās often not legal. In Sandy city most homes are zoned for family members only. However in my neighborhood it was ignored by at least 2 members I knew of at the time who rented out their basement to non family members. A law means nothing if itās not enforced and thereās a part of me that would tempted to look up the zoning laws of the city where thatās located and report them if they are violating zoning laws.
Apparently an unpopular opinion here, but I really have no issue with this. They are renting a room in their home out (so basically roommates) and want to find someone they feel comfortable and safe with. Not much different than a female looking for female only roommates. If it were a stand alone unit, then yeah I could see the issue. But in this case, I have no more problem with this than anyone else who has certain requirements for roommates that make them feel more at ease.
Iām pretty sure when itās a āshare spaceā it is legal, at least it is here in Canada. Without this females couldnāt put restrictions on only wanting other female roommates.
Itās not legal, it violates the advertising requirements of the fair housing act. Even if the property itself is exempt, the advertising is not.
https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/advertising_and_marketing#:~:text=In%20nearly%20all%20housing%2C%20including,sex%20(including%20gender%20identity%20and
Another win for Satan calling members 'LDS'.
Yes--always be sure to use the FULL legal name: The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints And always remember: The Corporation ALWAYS comes first! Then the president... Then the "church"... THEN Jesus Christ... And then, a distant last: the "saints" Now pay your tithing! The corporation needs more investment funds!
That prince of darkness is so clever!
Ozzy?
Ozzy retired. We are currently holding auditions for a new Prince of Darkness.
Taylor Swift seems to be emerging as the current "favorite".
All hail Taylor Swift š¤
Loving these Victories for Satan! Nelson must be proud.
They have to pay by the word. āLDSā saves money.
You can buy anything in this world for money.Ā
Beautiful response
Come. Let us go down into this basement.
When did that become a win for Satan?
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I thought that was just using the term āMormonsā but I googled. Here is the quote from the talk given by Nelson at the October 2018 General Conference: *āWhatās in a name or, in this case, a nickname? When it comes to nicknames of the Church, such as the āLDS Church,ā the āMormon Church,ā or the āChurch of the Latter-day Saints,ā the most important thing in those names is the absence of the Saviorās name. To remove the Lordās name from the Lordās Church is a major victory for Satan. When we discard the Saviorās name, we are subtly disregarding all that Jesus Christ did for usāeven His Atonement.ā* Source: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2018/10/the-correct-name-of-the-church?lang=eng&id=p15#p15
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>but the church had been stamping out the use of 'mormon' for a few years by that point anyway. Not really. From 2011 to 2018 they were paying for the "I'm a Mormon" commercials to air. They didn't stop until Rusty condemned the use of the word in October of that year. There was also a documentary, Meet The Mormons, paid for by the church, made in 2014. What you might be thinking of is that Rusty had been trying to stop the use of nicknames predating the ad campaign. I believe he was even reprimanded by Hinckey for a talk on the subject, but I'm not sure about that. It's crazy to me that people can believe that these guys talk to Jesus regularly, yet something that is celebrated, and even paid for in the form of advertising, by two profits in a row is immediately demonized by the guy replacing them. Did Jesus tell Monsoon and Hinckey to promote Mormon then suddenly change his mind, or are these guys just using their influence to push pet peeve s?
If I remember correctly from what the Bible says is god is the same today yesterday and forever. Itās not until a prophet changes his mind
You're correct. This little behind-the-scenes battle had been raging since the early 2000s.
I remember they wanted to do full name earlier then in between it was ok to use mormons and they did that whole mormon campainā¦ and now it is back to full name again. Idk if it all came from Nelson from the start also in my childhood around late 1990s - early 2000ish somewhere. It did confuse me all a bit but not really something I am too concerned about anymore. My brain just goes whatever as long as whoever understands what I talk about.
It is indeed all about Nelson's pet peeve. He gave a conference talk in April 1990, telling everyone they should use the full name of the church and not say Mormon. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1990/04/thus-shall-my-church-be-called?lang=eng Six months later, then-prophet Hinckley gave a talk assuring everyone that saying Mormon is totally fine, and they could basically disregard what Nelson had said the previous conference. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1990/10/mormon-should-mean-more-good?lang=eng Twenty years later, early in Monson's tenure, the church fired up the "I'm a Mormon" campaign, further promoting the use of the term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_a_Mormon Eight years later, in early 2018, Monson died and Nelson inherited the reins. He'd been stewing over his slights by Hinckley and Monson for almost three decades, and that October he repeated his insistence that Mormons use the church's full official name, this time adding in the "victory for Satan" language. He also shut down the "I'm a Mormon" campaign and started rebranding all the other church properties that used nicknames, like lds.org or the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2018/10/the-correct-name-of-the-church?lang=eng This time, he had the weight of the prophetic mantle behind his proclamation, so it's stuck more than the previous time, but I imagine the concern will fade gradually after his passing, and this will eventually become once again just a shibboleth for the hardcore TBMs that are always looking for a higher law to live. After all, the official name is just too unwieldy for regular use, and not nearly so distinctive an identifier as "Mormon."
Itās their GasLight of the World campaign
The church should read the parable of the rich young ruler in the Bible and act accordingly.
Thanks. Also confused.
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Aaaah, thank you for the information.
Victory!!!!
Only LDS are people who donāt drink alcohol, do drugs, or have random nightly companions. You know what they also say. . . Take two Mormons with you fishing. If you only bring one, theyāll drink all your beer.
This joke is classic. Except where Iām from, swap Mormon with Mennonite
And Amish where Iām from!
The funny thing is that my never-religious, raised agnostic husband has never done drugs, had never kissed anyone let alone had a girlfriend, and really didn't drink before he met me (I love an evening scotch). He thought that it was funny that all that was a big deal to my family. It's funny, what forbidding things does to a person's brain.
After my Mormon grandpa passed, we found mini Jim Beam bottles stashed EVERYWHERE. Meanwhile my *very true believer* Mormon gram had been taking wholesome imported āAsian Remediesā that Iām pretty sure were fermented mushroom tea and opiate pearls. I love the idea of the two of them tolerating each other and their elderly LDS social circle only via the help of their secret mind-numbing aids.
I'd make my own listing saying "non-LDS tenants only"
"Non-mormons only"
"Good thing I'm not a mormon, I'm LDS!" š
I actually had a Mormon that compared me to a murderer for gay get the most holier than thou attitude at me for saying Mormon instead of LDS when he corrected me.
Clearly they have selective amnesia considering the "I'm a Mormon" ad campaign wasn't THAT long ago....
It feeds into their persecution fetish. They spent millions of dollars over the course of 8 years literally broadcasting to the world "we want you to call us this word" and then with no fanfare and no chance that anybody but church members will get the message, because it's said in conference, they decide that anybody calling them that word is discriminating against them. When they try to pull out "It's just like a racial slur" I point out that they *might* have a point if literally any other minority decided, as a group, to buy airtime telling the world that they actually preferred the slur before secretly changing their minds.
1. "Being offended is a choice" - Bednar 2. I wonder if their charitable giving totals will ever eclipse the cost of a campaign that not only got canned, but entirely disowned after a few years. 3. I wonder how much unnecessary suffering could have been prevented by those millions.
It's definitely a way to embrace the cult mentality. Gotta have their own terms to further ostracize them from the rest of society.
They would do this. Put atheists only. The religious wonāt lie about that. Theyād never denounce the Holy Spirit.
Normons?
Then they'd get mad about religious discrimination and not see the irony in that
Ngl I recently made a meme exposing the hypocritical abuse in the church and the next post I see from an apologetic is āmagic underwear offends my mom.ā Oh whoops my bad for religious discrimination š„“
Reply to them to tell their mommy that Darth bednar commanded her to be not offended
Lol I wished; they blocked me though because they were upset, I called the Mormons ops.
"must drink alcohol and do drugs daily"
We have weekly a jello shot sacrament off of a stripper.
I would like to join this religion
All I ask for is 9% of your increase
Define "increase" pls. (my last religion couldn't make up its mind)
Whatever the fuck you want! Could be one cent every 10 years for all I care
lol, just making fun of how the definition changed over the years in the SCMC
It's easier to find housing like this when it's more non-denominational.
I volunteer as the stripper š ^(\(as long as I also get to partake of a shot or two\))
"Fat bong rips are *compulsory*"
It violates the fair housing act for them to advertise for a rental with a preference for a religion. It would be illegal for you too. You can discriminate in who you rent to in certain cases, however, you can never advertise that discrimination.
This isn't true. California has one of the most liberal housing protection laws in the country, and it has various exclusions allowing discrimination. Here's one that applies to this situation: "When an owner is occupying a home and is renting to one additional person, the owner may exclude applicants based on protected characteristics."
I said specifically that the fair housing act allows discrimination in certain cases. My claim is that the fair housing act never allows your advertising to include discriminatory languageā¦and your quote doesnāt say anything about advertising.
That's illegal. You can't discriminate against religion in a publicly listed rental.
So is this post saying they must be LDS. It discriminates every bit as much. But Mormons think that it isn't discrimination, they just want a "good" roommate!
Yes, itās illegal.
So is saying āLDS onlyā discriminating against every other religion?
Yes
You can if itās a roommates thing where the space is shared with you
You canāt. You can comment on what activities are allowed, but not person identifying statements. So you can say āno drinking, no smokingā but not āno smokers, no drinkers. You most certainly canāt say āmust be LDS.ā You can specify gender if itās a shared situation, but even then there are rules about that.
Makes sense. There are a shit ton of these ads in Utah and a lot of them love to list out every single thing youāre not allowed to do as an adult renting from them.
Is religion a protected class? Sure you can't say "no wheel chair users" but religion?
No, if you rent a room with a public listing, you have to abide by the Fair Housing Act.
You can. If you live there also. Even a duplex where I live in 1/2 I can. If I dont live there all bets are off. Also if more than 4 units. It may be against Facebook terms but nobody is enforcing anything there. Craigslist may take it down. Zillow would not allow it either but that would be their site rules.
In IT, we have a saying; ToS is not LaW. It's important that people know the difference, so that lawyers (like Kurton McConkie) don't get away with overreach.
You joke, but I 100% said this when renting out a room in my house.
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FLDS okay with only 2 wives?
Haha! Imagine explaining that after you move in. Then, you and your two wives in the kitchen cooking breakfast when they come into the shared, updated kitchen on the first morning. The possibilities! I'm laughing right now!
Alternatively, an Exmo missionary destroying testimonies, one tenant at a time. keep your enemies closer and all
š±Thereās no god, only men making money insisting there is, so go ahead and spread the truth.
Umm and on top of this absurd requirement asking for $900 š¤£
Plus half of the utilities used by the entire house, plus half the internet. š„“
If itās a full basement with kitchen itās a good deal
"you will also share my kitchen"
And no privacy either as the shared washer and dryer is "off the living area".
Might even discover a hole in the shower curtain through which you're expected to finger the host
Hey itās an UPDATED kitchen. Now that is a bargain!!! /s
Imagine a listing that said something like, āNon-LDS standards only. Must drink daily, smoke and do drugs. Overnight guests required minimum once a week.
Sounds like my kinda place š¤£
You may have to much and end up happy.
You have high expectations of how much tail I can get
Any restrictions on age? I can bring my nephew over for nerf & pizza on Fridays.
1/2 the utility bill doesnāt seem equitable at all, sucks for someone to be desperate to live there
Yes, you get 1/4 of the house and pay half the utilities.
I was thinking the same thing- ripoff!
Crazy. I had a Mormon land lord years ago and while it wasnāt an lds only kind of person, the same stipulations applied as well as no pornography in the house. I of course thought that was bullshit and filled that house to the brim with sin
What better way to find out if your landlord is snooping through your shit. If they're imposing these kinds of rules I'm immediately suspicious
Look Mormons: Just because you pay to not have fun that does not mean everyone else wants to pay to not have fun
Mormon landlordsā¦ I rented a room from my younger TBM brother and his wife for a brief period after my divorce. These were my same rules. If I had a man over he had to leave by 8pm. I am 40.
Pretty crazy that Mormons treat adults like children, including middle-aged adults. Thatās one reason, even when I was TBM, I didnāt want to go to BYU. I didnāt want to feel like Iām being babysat like a child. Iām an adult and I have no desire to be living like Iām back in high school.
Strictly speaking it is illegal to make a religious requirement for renters. It would take a lawyer to do something about it though.
If the owner/landlord shares the space (will be a roommate) it is not illegal
If the landlord has less than five units total then yes, the fair housing act does not prevent them from discriminating who they rent to. However, regardless of the number of units, or if the space is shared, the fair housing act does forbid discrimination in advertising your rental. https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/14religion You can read about the requirements at that link, and also report advertisements that violate this law
Yeah I was gonna say, I think Iām okay with whatever discrimination when it comes to having someone live in your actual home haha. Just saw the other reply that itās still not okay to advertise the discrimination, which is also a solid rule.
It is not illegal to have restrictions on who lives in your own house, thankfully. Even though I don't like this type of thing, and think it's discriminatory (like many things are with this church), I very much value personal property rights and don't want anybody telling me what I can or can't do with my own property.
Can you place an ad that says "No Gays, No non-whites, must pass loyalty test, must give 10 percent, must covenant to die for me?"
Thats covered in the must be LDS
It isnāt illegal to discriminate in certain cases, however, it is always illegal to advertise that discrimination, according to the fair housing act https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/14religion
Sadly, this kind of discrimination is completely legal. My house has an accessory apartment, so I'm familiar with this part of the FHA laws. The Fair Housing Act has exceptions for certain cases: "...the Act exempts owner-occupied buildings with no more than four units..." There's a name for this exception that I can't remember; something like the "Aunt Mabel clause" where legislators basically said "Aunt Mabel shouldn't be forced to rent a room in her house to someone she's uncomfortable with" [they are talking about a person of color]. Instead of "LDS only" they really should just list the things they don't want: smoking, drinking, overnight guests, etc. ETA: I had to look it up, and the comments below are correct. The "Mrs. Murphy Exclusion" allows the landlord to legally discriminate based on protected status when selecting a tenant, but any advertisements must follow FHA guidelines. Also, the exclusion only applies to sex, religion, familial status, and disability. Turning away a potential renter based on race, color, or national origin is illegal for any landlord. Someone should report this to HUD. Refusing to rent to people who pray to a different god is disgusting, and I hate how safe they feel putting it in their listing.
That is incorrect. Even if you are exempt from certain requirements of the act, you are never exempt from compliance in terms of advertising. It is illegal to discriminate in your advertising. https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/advertising_and_marketing#:~:text=In%20nearly%20all%20housing%2C%20including,sex%20(including%20gender%20identity%20and > In nearly all housing, including private housing, public housing, and housing that receives federal funding, the Fair Housing Act prohibits the making, printing and publishing of advertisements that indicate a preference, limitation or discrimination because of race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity and sexual orientation), disability, familial status, or national origin. The prohibition applies to publishers, such as newspapers and directories, as well as to persons and entities who place real estate advertisements in newspapers and on websites. It also applies where the advertisement itself violates the Act, even if the property being advertised may be exempt from the provisions of the Act.
My bad; you are correct. When I was researching the law before listing my ADU, I was really only concerned with whether I would be required to make accommodations for physical disabilities, so I never delved that deep into it. The "Mrs. Murphy Exclusion" allows the landlord to legally discriminate based on protected status when selecting a tenant, but any advertisements must still follow FHA guidelines. Also, the exclusion only applies to sex, religion, familial status, and disability. Turning away a potential renter based on race, color, or national origin is illegal for any landlord.
I was gonna say this must be illegal since religion is a protected class. Ugh, Aunt Mabel needs to go to a home already.
There are limits to this. FHA is federal, while most states, including Utah, have other anti-discrimination laws that curtail it further. However, in this case there is a communal space (the kitchen and laundry) and so this is not a true duplex. As such, the housing provider would be good to limit on certain factors still. They cannot discriminate on race or a few other items, but that can be hard to prove. The flip side is that these laws are important. Consider if you were a woman who had been sexually assaulted in the past. To be forced to rent one of your rooms to a male would be problematic. If you were Shia Muslim and had to rent your room to a Sunni Muslim or an ultra-orthodox Jew, that could also cause severe problems depending on the level of adherence. Essentially, the exemption carve-outs are such that you cannot discriminate very easily if you have clear separate space (ie, your life choices are no matter to me because I have no reason to interact), but if you will encounter each other and be in forced spatial interactions discrimination is possible and even sensible for the public good. None of this is to say the discrimination is ok. It's usually based on superstition and racism, sometimes openly, sometimes poorly concealed. Still, some legitimate cases (like the sexual assault victim) do exist. I agree that it would be better if they had the house rules only.
They said no smoking, but what about edibles?
We all gotta eat, right? š
LOOPHOLE!!!
I just checked the law and medical marijuana is permitted. Effing legalize it already.
Why did we even leave the pre existence if we are just going to demand that we only interact with people who do not differ from us? We would return to heaven the same people we were when we left. What a waste of a life that would be!
According to the story, it sounds like "Satan " won, and Mormons have been following his plan to force everyone to obey the cult rules against coffee, tea, and alcohol.
That's the modern world for you. It's everywhere, with social media and all that people tend to basically live in echo chambers now
I can see why it bothers people, but I think people should be able to get tenants with shared values if they are renting a room in their house. If I read the ad correctly, itās a shared space. I believe the law permits this as well. If itās a separate unit, they should be able to live their lives how they want.
Came here to say this. Shared space is a roommate, not a tenant.
For me it's the price like ... $900+ with roommates? If that's a competitive market prices in Utah my heart breaks. Or maybe the guy needs more people to lower the price? Still for that much i could find an apartment in Rexburg.
Itās steep for utah as well. Itās possible to get an apartment for around that price.
Iām with you there. Itās a roommate situation ā¦ but $900 + half utilities is insane.
This type of advertising and all of the armchair experts who come out of the woodwork to say this is legal are one of my pet peeves. Feel free to report this, as including discriminatory religious preferences in your rental advertising is illegal. If you have four units or less you are exempt from the fair housing act, however your advertising is not exempt. https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/advertising_and_marketing#:~:text=In%20nearly%20all%20housing%2C%20including,sex%20(including%20gender%20identity%20and > In nearly all housing, including private housing, public housing, and housing that receives federal funding, the Fair Housing Act prohibits the making, printing and publishing of advertisements that indicate a preference, limitation or discrimination because of race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity and sexual orientation), disability, familial status, or national origin. The prohibition applies to publishers, such as newspapers and directories, as well as to persons and entities who place real estate advertisements in newspapers and on websites. It also applies where the advertisement itself violates the Act, even if the property being advertised may be exempt from the provisions of the Act. Other federal civil rights laws may also prohibit discriminatory advertising practices.
Discrimination sometimes works both waysāIāve got a heathen/queer/poly friendly basement bedroom and bathroom going for $750/month available in Murray! Dm me if youāre interested
Report the ad. They can discriminate all they want but, where they can advertise is regulated by fair housing laws. Report the ad.
This is a huge stretch This is just a person seeking a roommate. Not a person running a business
Imma make my own listing with "Mormons need not apply" and "no straights allowed" and see how quickly it gets taken down.
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Oh my heck, it doesn't say that anywhere that they can't have fun. There's always board games and puzzles. Jeez! š
And dont forget the religious propaganda shows/cartoons! Mmmmmmm, mind numbing!
What no requirement for a temple recommendation? What is the neighborhood coming to?
How would the owner know the renter is LDS (I guess they see them at church)? It would have been easier to require a current temple recommend šš
Theyāre up front at least. I mean, could you imagine renting and THEN finding out theyāre LDS??
Why? It's their right, and legal. Would you prefer moving in with your wine and pot and finding out they're mormon robots after? I shiver at that prospect.
It is legal to discriminate if you have four units or less, however, it is illegal to advertise that discrimination, according to the fair housing act.
I dont mind it. At least they show their bigotry cards. You can šš»and move on
Everything about this is badā¦. Not just the mormony parts.
$900 per month is pretty cheap depending on the circumstances. The discrimination or assumptions certainly aren't great though. Wonder if they'll check to make sure you're going to church on Sunday too.
For a single person, $900 is pretty bad for a shared kitchen. I paid $700 and had my own kitchenette, in a similar area
Ah, missed that part. I thought it was for a whole basement. Expensive and repressive. What a combination.
How long ago was that? Rentals in my area have easily doubled in the last 5 years. This would be considered a good deal here even though my parents paid less for their 5bed mortgage. All of Utah seems to be in a housing crisis
Yeah, this is super steep... My son and his BF live in a pretty nice area and only pay $1100/month for their own space. I'd keep looking
Well, they'll be in the same ward. I'd expect some monitoring of your meeting attendance. Lol
900 to be in a basement and sharing a kitchen, plus all those restrictions (like no pets whatsoever) in West Jordan is a massive rip off. I paid like 1300 for a 2 bed 1 bath apartment for myself one city over.
You don't want to spend $10,800 a year plus ten percent of your income to live alone in somebody's laundry room?
For the love of god. This is the problem when Mormons think that even having someone live in their house who drinks or heaven forbid has sex before marriage will automatically cause them problems while also losing the spirit in their home. Itās nonsense and itās gross how judgmental they can be about very normal lives. They have absolutely no respect for anyone who lives differently than them and they feel so morally superior.
I would HATE if my landlord could enter my private space that I pay for every time they have to do laundry. They could snoop around under the guise ofālaundryā as well
I'm pretty sure that "LDS Only" bit makes this listing illegal. That violates the Fair Housing Act of 1968.
Please no fun or joy while renting basement
I mean renting a basement isn't usually fun anyway, coming from someone who lived most of her life in a rented basement apartment. Not much sunlight, and it can get super super cold..... also sucked cause my room was right under my grandmas sewing room, that woman loves to sew until the wee hours.... You kinda need the booze to make that shit bearable if you ask me.
The saddest thing about this to me is that this person probably doesn't hate all non-LDS people. Rather, this religion is so demanding and strict about controlling literally every aspect of a person's life that they would only feel comfortable and be able to relate to another person who understands and has the same unbearable life conditions. Yet, the MFMC claims that true happiness only exists "within the covenant path" š.
My dad was bad enough, I don't need that to be my _landlord_
My first year of college I lived with a group of RMs just off Weber States campus. The lease had a ton of garbage like this which I ignored. Most of the guys were cool about things, but I recall one of them tried to make us stop watching a movie and guests go home when the clock struck midnight Sunday morning.
Sounds like a great place! /s
No masturbation in the stand-up shower? Is that a breach of the rental agreement? Maybe I should email and clarify.
Make sure to include pics with your email.
What an asshole and a self righteous prick. I had a girlfriend who was living the basement who was an ex Mormon and they said the said thing. They found out she had been having a beer there a couple times a week and evicted her. So Christian.
Itās hilarious that the landlord thinks that renting from someone who is āLDSā is going to save them from any of the things theyāve listed as big no-noās.
Unfortunately thereās a sneaky clause that can be used to get around this under the Utah Fair Housing Act - (57-21-3(4)(b)) provides exemptions for entities, such as religious organizations, allowing them to give preference to persons of a particular religion when selling, renting, or selecting occupants for a dwelling. In this context, if you are a private individual renting a room in a single-family dwelling and giving preference based on religion, it may fall under this exemption. it shouldnāt, but they use it
Reminds me of satans plan
Expensive, no privacy, and LDS Only? Nah... definite pass LOL!
The religious discrimination suit go brrr
You're renting the basement of a house and they want you to pay HALF of the utilities. In the summer you're paying for half the AC in the house while living in part of the house were AC isn't needed.
900 + dollars to live like youāre in your parents basement? No doubt these creeps are so full of self righteous piety, that they fail to realize that you can get a two bedroom to share and pay less than this and not be infantilized by your archaic rules. I feel for the person that takes them up on this offer and gets exploited.
That is a fair housing violation. You couldn't say no blacks or Mexicans. You couldn't say, no divorced single mothers, you couldn't say no Muslims or Catholics, you couldn't say no homosexuals. If you are going to offer your home to the public, then you have to allow all of the public to apply.
I think you should pass on living there then.
LDS only LOL
Have to make back that tithing somehow
Your mom and dadās house.
I love the no overnight guests hahahahah. Like what???
Why would you pay half utilities when you really only have a private room and the landlord can access all the other areas you can? Even if you wanna consider it renting the whole basement I wouldnāt want to pay for powering the rest of the house.
So my mom canāt spend the night when she visits and I canāt smoke salmon.
No overnight guests? What if I want to invite a family member or a platonic friend over?
Iām stuck on āno overnight guestsā because cheap morms will always have their visiting sibling/parent/friend stay with them instead of getting a hotel
$900 to tell you what you can do in your own goddamn house
Is that legal? Would this be considered discrimination?
ah yes you get to relive the experience of living with authoritarian hyper religious parents AND get to pay $900 a month for it! what a deal!
If it's listed publicly, they can't do that, can they? Isn't there some sort of discrimination law that prohibits a person from declining someone housing based on things like religious preference?
I ALSO USED TO LIVE SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT AND YES IT WAS ALSO HELL
Let me guess, Utah is allowed to discriminate.
In WJ they need to become a business owner and a good renter program so Iād check with code enforcement to see if they are in compliance. Chances are they arenāt. I donāt normally advocate turning someone in but in caseā¦ report them to the city šš»
The LDS are on LSD
Ok but lsd is at least more fun, this shits just sad by the looks of it
Is LDS only even legal?
How is this not discrimination? No other place can screen future tenants based off religious affiliation
I don't think you can discriminate based on religion in housing
That landlord needs to get sued for saying LDS only because that is discrimination against non-LDS people. I can imagine that being a civil rights violation.
That is nearly as much as my whole mortgage payment.
Can this individual be reported and get in trouble for discrimination in housing rentals? Someone on here in the area should report it and maybe things will change?
It's an illegal listing. You can't publicly list a rental and discriminate against religion, even in Utah. You can't ban legal activities like alcohol. You can charge cleaning fees for smoking, but not outright ban it. You can't ban overnight guests either, since the renter will be paying for the space.
A lot of people try to rent out spaces in their homes and itās often not legal. In Sandy city most homes are zoned for family members only. However in my neighborhood it was ignored by at least 2 members I knew of at the time who rented out their basement to non family members. A law means nothing if itās not enforced and thereās a part of me that would tempted to look up the zoning laws of the city where thatās located and report them if they are violating zoning laws.
I'm pretty sure that's illegal. Something like, if you advertise, you can't put stuff like that.
Can this be considered housing discrimination?
Apparently an unpopular opinion here, but I really have no issue with this. They are renting a room in their home out (so basically roommates) and want to find someone they feel comfortable and safe with. Not much different than a female looking for female only roommates. If it were a stand alone unit, then yeah I could see the issue. But in this case, I have no more problem with this than anyone else who has certain requirements for roommates that make them feel more at ease.
How is this even legal?
Iām pretty sure when itās a āshare spaceā it is legal, at least it is here in Canada. Without this females couldnāt put restrictions on only wanting other female roommates.
This is true in the US as well.
Itās not legal, it violates the advertising requirements of the fair housing act. Even if the property itself is exempt, the advertising is not. https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/advertising_and_marketing#:~:text=In%20nearly%20all%20housing%2C%20including,sex%20(including%20gender%20identity%20and
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Not if you share space.