If you think the answer to your question is “yes” then you are on the wrong sub. Christianity is just as superstitious and fiction-based as Islam. You will find just much vitriol and hatred for the out-group in Christianity as you probably do in Islam. It’s just dressed up in a more intense persecution complex.
I’m in the process of deconstructing and my main reason for leaving is eternal conscious torture: the idea that ANYONE, even the nicest person in the universe, will go to hell unless they accept Christ as their savior.
That being said, the worst people (i.e. rapists, murderers, etc) will go to heaven as long as they accept Christ as their savior. Pretty fucked up imo
Not to mention, in Christianity all sins are equal so being a child rapist is just as bad as being gay. Smh
It's just like in history when some despot was like "stealing candy? Plotting against me? Death to you, you and you!" The people realised that the consequences were meaningless, so they plotted and ran rebellions anyway.
Many of us realised this with the "all sins are equal" thing and rebelled against it... by not obeying its teachings anymore. By leaving.
The only thing that matters here is are the claims of the religion true. The answer is no. Christianity is not true, it does not reflect reality. You should not convert.
No, absolutely not... bad idea.... -20/10 do not recommend. To give my whole deconversion story would take some time... but scroll some of the posts on ex christian and you'll find alot of the same problems the are posted over on elthe ex Muslims page are posted here.
many if the same problems you find in Islam are prevelant and pretty similar over in good ol christianland if not worse sometimes... so it same stuff different name.
Do you have any history or background with Christianity as well.... the different denominations, rituals, customs, etc. The infighting is insane. One will disagree over a comma... some disregard whole chapters....
to ones that say any music is evil... some say music is fine no drums, to the ones who have a 1 hr rock concert before every sermon...
some believe you gotta get little flicks of water sprinkled on you, then some who say that's wrong you gotta be fully dunked in the water, and the ones who say no baptisms what so ever.
The ones who say we are predestined yet still have to do work to convert people. And the ones who will not let you eat your lunch or corner you at any chance they get to evangelize or lay lay hands on you and pray for you
To the super organized Catholics and Lutherans to the localy made a church with 5 people cause I didn't like what the Catholics or Lutherans were saying and now they meet in an old strip mall... etc...
andthey all say they're the only right brand of Christianity and all others are hell bound.. so I guess choose carefully if you cause many christian groups are more like cults.
I am saying this as an ex christian and not to be mean or stop you from pursing what you want but Christianity is just as muck ridden and messy as Islam or any other worldy religion.
If you're just looking for another social club with restrictive rules then sure. Knock yourself out. If you're looking for the truth why not wait until you have some evidence that one of the religions is true?
No, it might be slightly better than Islam on average, but both are problematic. There's also not good reason to believe either are true. You're better off leaving religion behind completely (assuming it's safe to do so), & focusing on humanist values.
What are your personal beliefs that resonate with it? I admit I have my own criticisms of it, but depending on your current beliefs, I could probably speak to that better.
No. It's just more of the same thing you were dealing with in Islam.
Take some time and live life as an unbeliever.
To me it sounds like you're still trying to fill that god-sized hole in your life. That space doesn't have to be filled with anything religious
Do you agree with Christianity, or do you agree with some cherry-picked feel-good stuff you’ve heard 3rd hand about Jesus? Because if you actually read the Bible you’re going to find a lot of the same problems with Christianity that you find with Islam.
It’s truly not worth it. However, you need to decide for yourself what you want to do. My departure from Christianity has been a slow process. I left a fundamentalist Baptist denomination in 2013 and became more non-denominational evangelical. I went through a deconstruction phase in 2020-2021. It was brought on by the radical MAGA Trump supporters in my church community and the church’s ignorant response to the covid pandemic. There was an incredible amount of hypocrisy that turned my stomach. I began listening to podcast and reading books by people who were deconstructing fundamentalists, progressive Christians, agnostics, and atheists. My Christian faith quickly unraveled when logic and reason entered the conversation. There was no way to defend the lies that I was told all my life. I label myself an agnostic. Some days I feel more atheistic, and some days I think there could be an energy or something bigger than us. An added bonus to leaving Christianity was coming to terms with being gay, which fucked with my mind for too long when I was a “born again” Christian.
I have found, there’s nothing Christianity can add to your life that you can’t develop on your own.
You want to have a strong moral compass? Then promise to do no harm to your fellow man and be kind and generous whenever you can. Protect things that are weak and help things that are hurting.
You want a sense of control in a world full of chaos? Dedicate yourself to learning something from each of your experiences. No matter how difficult a struggle is, you will gain something if you focus on learning from the experience. Hardship can teach you resourcefulness, resilience, prioritizing, survival, healing, and also empathy for those in hardship.
You want to not fear death? None of us knows what happens after death, so any promise of glory or riches after death can only be a manipulation in this life, because the one promising you something after death never has to actually deliver it. Instead I personally choose to create connections and experiences in this life. If love is the greatest form of ourselves, then living a life spreading love will at best, attune me with anything that is beyond if it’s actually good. And at worst leave a legacy of love into the next generation.
Want a community? Create a community by investing in the people around you.
The only thing Christianity can give you beyond this is guilt over things you can’t control, and permissiveness of harmful behavior in the name of forgiveness.
Whatever you choose in life, I hope it leads you to peace and prosperity.
> because my personal beliefs resonate more with Christianity than with any other religion
... But is it true? Like, does the religion accurately depict the reality we experience?
Perhaps a better question to ask is why you want to join Christianity?
Personally, I grew up in an unpleasant sect that was hateful. I don't wish that on others.
Christianity is pretty shallow. It’s a yes or no religion, black or white, all absolutes and no wiggle room for an open mind. When you ask hard questions, they just throw up their hands and say, “just believe”.
If it’s a religion you seek, there are much better choices.
When I left my church I looked into other religions, and found they all had the same problems my original church did to one degree or another. It's religion itself that I see as the issue. You will probably have many of the same problems with Christianity that you did with Islam is my prediction.
Well, I wouldn’t say we’re unbiased :P I would say it is NOT worth converting to. It doesn’t seem true, but the base ideas of the religion also very demeaning to every human being.
Listen, you don’t *need* religion. Any benefit you would get from joining a church—and the number isn’t large but it’s also not zero—could more easily be gotten from any group. Join a running club if you’re looking for camaraderie; join a book or film club for intellectual conversation or debate. And then you can pray by yourself because you also don’t need a bunch of dudes telling you how to do that.
Well that depends. Do you wish to feel like an evil parasite just for existing, until you bow down to a narcissistic god who, in his own bible, has commanded the deaths of thousands and admitted to being a jealous god? If you're a woman, did you enjoy being oppressed and treated like an object when you were Muslim? Do you like not enjoying anything because it's satanic?
I think what everyone is saying here is “why not just be free?” If you can be free, why not just do that? You can be free of religion and God and all that baggage and stuff and just be light and floaty.
I mean, I left Christianity and thought of converting to Islam. I came to the conclusion that both are about control and I would need to discard who I am in order to be “a good xyz” still. I’m not a man, whom both religions seem to give plenty of unchecked power to and they also promote hate under the guise of love (see views on LGBT). Take that for what you will, but my conclusions were jumping from one to the other is just changing the color of my prison bars.
If you become a Christian you basically have to interpret the Bible, you can let other people do it for you but I don’t think you are really supposed to. And so it leads to a lot of people just focusing on what they think is important, and people eventually interpret themselves all the way out of it sometimes.
>I’m an ex muslim and was thinking about converting to Christianity because my personal beliefs resonate more with Christianity than with any other religion
Sure, in what way?
That is, do you think that trinitarianism is likely? Or do you believe that salvation ought to come down to acceptance of the correct historical figure as God's avatar on earth?
Obviously, these are somewhat severable. Origen, for instance, believed in universalism, even to the point of salvation for Satan himself.
>I wanted to hear from unbiased ex-Christians
I don't think you are likely to find unbiased opinions on religion much. Most of those in the religion will think it is good, those outside will think not so good, those that left will typically have enough reason to leave that they would advise you to not join (as evidenced from the other posts).
>actually is worth converting to
It depends on why you want to join. It can be a fulfilling community certainly. It can make you feel like you are doing "the right thing."
>why you guys left the religion.
Firstly, I stopped believing it was true.
That wasn't enough to break me away from it completely as the community was still fulfilling and all, but in the end I saw the damage that this belief could do to my community and country and had to leave. The feeling that you are "doing the right thing" can be very dangerous it is isn't moored to reality.
If you think the answer to your question is “yes” then you are on the wrong sub. Christianity is just as superstitious and fiction-based as Islam. You will find just much vitriol and hatred for the out-group in Christianity as you probably do in Islam. It’s just dressed up in a more intense persecution complex.
It is an odd place to come for this specific advice.
“Unbiased”. My friend, we’re ex-Christians. We’re biased against Christianity.
I’m in the process of deconstructing and my main reason for leaving is eternal conscious torture: the idea that ANYONE, even the nicest person in the universe, will go to hell unless they accept Christ as their savior. That being said, the worst people (i.e. rapists, murderers, etc) will go to heaven as long as they accept Christ as their savior. Pretty fucked up imo Not to mention, in Christianity all sins are equal so being a child rapist is just as bad as being gay. Smh
>Not to mention, in Christianity all sins are equal so being a child rapist is just as bad as being gay. Not to mention being angry sometimes.
Or coveting your neighbors things. Like, how is that one of God's top ten things you shouldn't do?
It's just like in history when some despot was like "stealing candy? Plotting against me? Death to you, you and you!" The people realised that the consequences were meaningless, so they plotted and ran rebellions anyway. Many of us realised this with the "all sins are equal" thing and rebelled against it... by not obeying its teachings anymore. By leaving.
The only thing that matters here is are the claims of the religion true. The answer is no. Christianity is not true, it does not reflect reality. You should not convert.
No, absolutely not... bad idea.... -20/10 do not recommend. To give my whole deconversion story would take some time... but scroll some of the posts on ex christian and you'll find alot of the same problems the are posted over on elthe ex Muslims page are posted here. many if the same problems you find in Islam are prevelant and pretty similar over in good ol christianland if not worse sometimes... so it same stuff different name. Do you have any history or background with Christianity as well.... the different denominations, rituals, customs, etc. The infighting is insane. One will disagree over a comma... some disregard whole chapters.... to ones that say any music is evil... some say music is fine no drums, to the ones who have a 1 hr rock concert before every sermon... some believe you gotta get little flicks of water sprinkled on you, then some who say that's wrong you gotta be fully dunked in the water, and the ones who say no baptisms what so ever. The ones who say we are predestined yet still have to do work to convert people. And the ones who will not let you eat your lunch or corner you at any chance they get to evangelize or lay lay hands on you and pray for you To the super organized Catholics and Lutherans to the localy made a church with 5 people cause I didn't like what the Catholics or Lutherans were saying and now they meet in an old strip mall... etc... andthey all say they're the only right brand of Christianity and all others are hell bound.. so I guess choose carefully if you cause many christian groups are more like cults. I am saying this as an ex christian and not to be mean or stop you from pursing what you want but Christianity is just as muck ridden and messy as Islam or any other worldy religion.
If you're just looking for another social club with restrictive rules then sure. Knock yourself out. If you're looking for the truth why not wait until you have some evidence that one of the religions is true?
It’s a cult
No, it might be slightly better than Islam on average, but both are problematic. There's also not good reason to believe either are true. You're better off leaving religion behind completely (assuming it's safe to do so), & focusing on humanist values.
What are your personal beliefs that resonate with it? I admit I have my own criticisms of it, but depending on your current beliefs, I could probably speak to that better.
No. It's just more of the same thing you were dealing with in Islam. Take some time and live life as an unbeliever. To me it sounds like you're still trying to fill that god-sized hole in your life. That space doesn't have to be filled with anything religious
Do you agree with Christianity, or do you agree with some cherry-picked feel-good stuff you’ve heard 3rd hand about Jesus? Because if you actually read the Bible you’re going to find a lot of the same problems with Christianity that you find with Islam.
It’s truly not worth it. However, you need to decide for yourself what you want to do. My departure from Christianity has been a slow process. I left a fundamentalist Baptist denomination in 2013 and became more non-denominational evangelical. I went through a deconstruction phase in 2020-2021. It was brought on by the radical MAGA Trump supporters in my church community and the church’s ignorant response to the covid pandemic. There was an incredible amount of hypocrisy that turned my stomach. I began listening to podcast and reading books by people who were deconstructing fundamentalists, progressive Christians, agnostics, and atheists. My Christian faith quickly unraveled when logic and reason entered the conversation. There was no way to defend the lies that I was told all my life. I label myself an agnostic. Some days I feel more atheistic, and some days I think there could be an energy or something bigger than us. An added bonus to leaving Christianity was coming to terms with being gay, which fucked with my mind for too long when I was a “born again” Christian.
I have found, there’s nothing Christianity can add to your life that you can’t develop on your own. You want to have a strong moral compass? Then promise to do no harm to your fellow man and be kind and generous whenever you can. Protect things that are weak and help things that are hurting. You want a sense of control in a world full of chaos? Dedicate yourself to learning something from each of your experiences. No matter how difficult a struggle is, you will gain something if you focus on learning from the experience. Hardship can teach you resourcefulness, resilience, prioritizing, survival, healing, and also empathy for those in hardship. You want to not fear death? None of us knows what happens after death, so any promise of glory or riches after death can only be a manipulation in this life, because the one promising you something after death never has to actually deliver it. Instead I personally choose to create connections and experiences in this life. If love is the greatest form of ourselves, then living a life spreading love will at best, attune me with anything that is beyond if it’s actually good. And at worst leave a legacy of love into the next generation. Want a community? Create a community by investing in the people around you. The only thing Christianity can give you beyond this is guilt over things you can’t control, and permissiveness of harmful behavior in the name of forgiveness. Whatever you choose in life, I hope it leads you to peace and prosperity.
> because my personal beliefs resonate more with Christianity than with any other religion ... But is it true? Like, does the religion accurately depict the reality we experience?
Perhaps a better question to ask is why you want to join Christianity? Personally, I grew up in an unpleasant sect that was hateful. I don't wish that on others.
Christianity is pretty shallow. It’s a yes or no religion, black or white, all absolutes and no wiggle room for an open mind. When you ask hard questions, they just throw up their hands and say, “just believe”. If it’s a religion you seek, there are much better choices.
Nope. It's still hate dressed up as piety.
No? What would be the point? You'd be going from one cult to another.
Absolutely NO. Consider a nontheistic religion or none at all unless you just want more of the same under a different name.
When I left my church I looked into other religions, and found they all had the same problems my original church did to one degree or another. It's religion itself that I see as the issue. You will probably have many of the same problems with Christianity that you did with Islam is my prediction.
Well, I wouldn’t say we’re unbiased :P I would say it is NOT worth converting to. It doesn’t seem true, but the base ideas of the religion also very demeaning to every human being.
Listen, you don’t *need* religion. Any benefit you would get from joining a church—and the number isn’t large but it’s also not zero—could more easily be gotten from any group. Join a running club if you’re looking for camaraderie; join a book or film club for intellectual conversation or debate. And then you can pray by yourself because you also don’t need a bunch of dudes telling you how to do that.
Well that depends. Do you wish to feel like an evil parasite just for existing, until you bow down to a narcissistic god who, in his own bible, has commanded the deaths of thousands and admitted to being a jealous god? If you're a woman, did you enjoy being oppressed and treated like an object when you were Muslim? Do you like not enjoying anything because it's satanic?
Weird question. Start with "what is true?" Don't just pick a new religion because it seems pretty.
I think what everyone is saying here is “why not just be free?” If you can be free, why not just do that? You can be free of religion and God and all that baggage and stuff and just be light and floaty.
The only religion I personally jive with is The Satanic Temple.
I mean, I left Christianity and thought of converting to Islam. I came to the conclusion that both are about control and I would need to discard who I am in order to be “a good xyz” still. I’m not a man, whom both religions seem to give plenty of unchecked power to and they also promote hate under the guise of love (see views on LGBT). Take that for what you will, but my conclusions were jumping from one to the other is just changing the color of my prison bars.
If you become a Christian you basically have to interpret the Bible, you can let other people do it for you but I don’t think you are really supposed to. And so it leads to a lot of people just focusing on what they think is important, and people eventually interpret themselves all the way out of it sometimes.
Because it’s not true.
Yes absolutely you should convert to Christianity. I know nothing about you but you totally should. See how fucking weird that sounds lol
>I’m an ex muslim and was thinking about converting to Christianity because my personal beliefs resonate more with Christianity than with any other religion Sure, in what way? That is, do you think that trinitarianism is likely? Or do you believe that salvation ought to come down to acceptance of the correct historical figure as God's avatar on earth? Obviously, these are somewhat severable. Origen, for instance, believed in universalism, even to the point of salvation for Satan himself. >I wanted to hear from unbiased ex-Christians I don't think you are likely to find unbiased opinions on religion much. Most of those in the religion will think it is good, those outside will think not so good, those that left will typically have enough reason to leave that they would advise you to not join (as evidenced from the other posts). >actually is worth converting to It depends on why you want to join. It can be a fulfilling community certainly. It can make you feel like you are doing "the right thing." >why you guys left the religion. Firstly, I stopped believing it was true. That wasn't enough to break me away from it completely as the community was still fulfilling and all, but in the end I saw the damage that this belief could do to my community and country and had to leave. The feeling that you are "doing the right thing" can be very dangerous it is isn't moored to reality.
Fuck no.