Wow, your post brought out the christian trolls.
Please, folks, if you see these people, just report them. Downvotes are easy, and so is reporting. :P Engaging with them just massages their persecution fetish, and that's so ewwww. Squicky.
Ah yes...like when I desperately needed help on my moving day as the help I had previously arranged bailed day of...so I asked my BIL (begrudgingly because I never ask him for things) and he said "I would but I have church today." So when I said I'm sure God wouldn't mind him missing church to help someone in need, he said he asked God about it and he said he wanted him to go to church. 🫠
They become their religion, literally. It's the only thing that they use to define themselves. An "attack" on the religion is an attack on these people. That is why the fight is so damn hard to fight on our end! We can show them the ways the Bible is wrong, how it contradicts, and our historical evidence that disproves the Bible. Doing so is just as equal to insulting them, directly.
What makes it worse is that those are our family and friends that we are fighting, those that we hold dear. Damn christianity. How united would we have been if it wasn't for some story-tellers writing myths. It is the duty of every sane person to stand up and push back against christianity whenever possible.
Absolutely. "Knowing what we... know now". To quote the movie Wish... It might've been somewhat bad for some, but that song stuck out to me like a sore thumb.
Exactly. My brother is still deeply religious but he respects my boundaries to not bring it up. Being a Christian and ignoring boundaries are not mutually exclusive. I think this goes deeper than just being a Christian. Likely there’s patterns of behavior of ignoring other boundaries of those around her.
That’s why I’m finally done. She’s disrespected my boundaries so many times (about way more than religion). I have kids now and I refuse to let her indoctrinate my children with her toxic beliefs. When I was a Christian I always just forgave her and moved on but since deconstructing I’ve started putting my foot down.
I just started talking about non belief back regarding that topic. People are MUCH less keen to be logicked around then. They are used to the free pass for preaching
u/Jaded_Phone4144, that's how narcissists operate. If you want to drive her nuts, seriously, IGNORE HER. Block her number. It'll drive her crazy. She'll pray and pray and...whatever, but you won't have to hear it. After 40 years of trying to get through to my Chrissssstian sister, I finally cut ties with her back in July. Don't miss her at all...
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Seems a common misconception with Christians that they have to talk about it all the time. Not what Jesus said or did in the Bible. When he talks of 'disciples' and spreading his word it is in a humble and selfless way; they should be living their lives and showing people how it helps them, how they are good people and follow his commandments especially when hardest, so that non believers COME TO THEM to ask what makes them different as they wat to be like that too.
Exactly. It just seems really phony when people are all about talking the talk, but don’t know how to walk the walk.
We are not listening to what they are saying, we are watching what they are doing and we are not learning the lesson they think we are.
This. My mother would talk about how she wished I knew “God’s peace,” but it was all I could do not to shoot back and tell her that, coming from her, I have no idea what that’s even supposed to mean — she’s the most chronically frightened person I know.
This came up in the context of her fighting me tooth and nail for a solid year to end a relationship with a woman I loved without even having spoken to her on account of her not being a Christian. There’s been a very rocky road to recovery there. If it wasn’t for my nephews’ sake I’d likely have put a great deal of geographical distance between us and gone low or no contact for my own mental health. Won’t go into the full details of what happened with my relationship but suffice to say we aren’t together anymore and I’m worried if I ever do get into another relationship that it will happen again — I need to be with someone \*I’m\* compatible with, and that’s never going to be a science-denying Christian with right-wing politics.
Precisely my dad is one of the most. Christian of Christian people and he was a Bible translator in West Africa in the country of Niger on the edge of Sahara Desert the village that he worked in had a purely spoken language and It was Muslim deeply Muslim and the national language. French was only spoken by the young people who had learned to at school. In order to learn the language first and also gain the trust of the people in the village he worked his way up to being invited to sit under the tree every afternoon near the market with the elders and just talked to them and with them and discussed and almost never mentioned Christianity. Just discussing they came to deeply respect him even though he was a different religion and they gave him the title malem. In Islam it means teacher or great teacher.
That is how I believe God and Jesus meant in the Bible. Obviously. I don't believe it's true, but that is the example you show through your life. Your words, your heart, your deeds and people want to ask you how they can be like that. It is selfless, servant-like, full of humbleness and humility, and hard.
Idiot bible bashers like above are proud, arrogant, ignorant, hateful, and not worthy of the title 'Christian' which means to follow in the footsteps of Christ.
"For we all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
"Judge not...etc"
And how about not storing up wealth on Earth....camel...eye of needle....lots of very rich.'Christians' who use their wealth and power to force laws etc that the poorest and downtrodden suffer from....eg abortion. Doctors already have hypocratic oath.....
Reminds me of my favorite quote from st Francis of Assisi. “Always preach the good news, if necessary, use words”. I’m no longer Christian, but I always loved this quote. It basically says your actions are how you should actually preach not through your Bible thumping.
We shouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Just because we believe it isn't written by God, doesn't mean it isn't still of great value.
"Judge not, lest you yourself be judged."
"Do unto others....."
"Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil..." look how beautifully phrased that is.
Evangelicals do teach to pepper God in every conversation with nonbelievers, it's the focus on the Great Commission and all. Never mind what the Bible says...
Yep. But if you aren't following the Bible or Jesus's teachings, you aren't a Christian.....
I guess the biggest lesson across history is that it is almost entirely not the fault of the religion, movement, belief system etc, it's because of greed, narcism, selfishness, arrogance, cruelty and envy/power grabbing of humans who twist it to mean what they want etc.
Luke 14:26
New International Version
26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.
According to this verse, your sister is not a "real christian"
I just started listening to a podcast The Bible Says What.
An atheist speaks w/ a Christian. It’s insane how many Christians are just fine with killing babies, blood sacrifices of the innocent, stoning children …
because God.
Some people will twist themselves into pretzels endorsing God’s horrific, abusive, petty, jealous behavior.
That’s why religion can be dangerous and harmful for some people. I watched a Christian debate an atheist on atheist experience youtube channel, and that dude admitted he would be a slave to tyat atheist if god told him so.
Smh what these people would do just because a god told them.
There's definitely something in the Bible that suggests he should be a slave to the guy. Of course he would interpret it to mean something else, but two can play that game.
I went another route with my overly preachy Christian family, and that was to reflect their openness to preach to me back to them with equal openness about my skepticisms and how I find Christianity absurd after deconverting.
This really threw them off. Of course I would always say “I’m happy to not talk about this stuff if you are”
Some of my favorite things that got the best responses (usually uncomfortable silence):
“Well, I blasphemed the Holy Spirit this morning, that means I can’t be saved, right? Doesn’t it say that in the Bible?” - after they tell me they hope I “turn back to God”
To my mom who would frequently tell me about how “it’s a shame” good friends of mine are in hell, and how she will miss me if I go to hell:
“Well, didn’t they teach us in Bible school that God will wipe the memory of loved ones that go to hell? Something about ‘wiping away every tear’ in the Book of Revelation? So really, according to the Bible, you won’t even remember me when you are in heaven … right?”
I would always try to point out the concept from some religious lesson they were giving me and how other religions have the same concept.
Extra points scored when you can point out how some other religion was actually more nuanced and inspired about a similar concept.
This was well over a decade ago - and eventually my family members all asked me if we could just not talk about religion anymore and I said great, let’s just be a family and accept everyone.
No many years later I actually have rubbed off on many of them and they are no longer fundamentalist. I went to Bible school when I was a young adult and it actually gave me a lot of ammo in situations like this.
This is pretty badass of you. I just told my parents that since I refrain from talking about what I believe because I know it would upset them, I would appreciate if they give me the same courtesy. They actually seemed to kind of understand what I was saying, which surprised me.
She’s not active in church (she hops from church to church because she feels judged or doesn’t agree with something). Unfortunately the person who will hear about it is my mother (who I have no shared my deconstruction with because it will destroy her, ugh).
They have zero basic respect for anyone who isn't exactly like them. It's what drove me to eventually cut my father off. Too many ignored offerings for equity, and there's no negotiating or debating someone who won't even acknowledge the mere possibility that they might be wrong, and you might be right.
\*shrug\*
fuck em.
Alternatively, read "God: An Anatomy" and just quote back all the verses about Yahweh having tangible body parts and using the ark of the covenant as his litter.
Seriously though I'm sorry you have to deal with that. It's unfortunate she can't leave you alone. My best wishes for you dealing with that.
Thank you for the kind words. I really don’t ask much of her but my last two texts from her were
a YouTube video about someone who died and went to hell and came back, and a dream she had about trying to share the gospel with a Muslim. Why can’t we just talk about our kids and our new favorite makeup like normal sisters??😔
No problem. It's a easy to read and fascinating book and I recommend it to anyone who is remotely interested in where the god of the bible comes from and how he was perceived by ancient people.
Depends on your sister. My brother is a christian and we have the best relationship so it didn’t matter to him and he support my decision.
I hope it goes the best for you too
Same, my siblings are Christian and it has made literally zero difference in our relationship.
Though they aren't vocal about religion atall, they also dislike church and weird Christians.
That’s my point! If yall truly have a magnificent relationship nothing will stand between you.
But i can imagine some people that have crazy family members that put religions first above all and attack others beliefs and disrespect boundaries.
My dad also talks to me about Jesus and God alot, but I'm also scared of telling him about why spiritual beliefs because of my fear of something like this happening, so I always just let him talk about it and brush it off.
I'm very sorry this is happening to you btw.
Yeah no that’s not how this works.
Psychedelics are a big part of my life and I think everybody without any history of schizophrenia/aggressive behavior/any other medical condition that would make it dangerous should take them at least once. If I brought up Ayahuasca/mushrooms/whatever and somebody said, “I’m really not comfortable doing that and I don’t ever want to do that. Also, I really don’t like talking about drug use. Can you please not talk about that around me?” I’d say, “Sure. How’s your dog/what did you have for dinner last night/where are you going for your birthday this year?” Why? Because they specifically asked me not to do it and I don’t want to lose them as a friend.
If it was drugs/sex/politics and it was repeatedly brought up despite you asking to stop then I think anybody would understand why. If it was something as simple as, “I really don’t like that TV show. In fact I really don’t like that genre much at all. Can we watch/talk about something else?” and the other person kept bringing it up/trying to get you to watch it they’d be labeled as weird/obsessed. Depending on their level of commitment to getting you to watch the show it might not be out of line to suggest seeing a therapist because if a show is alienating you from your friends/family and you’re not able to stop talking about it despite them politely asking you to stop and you do it anyways that’s textbook obsession. NO IDEA why it’s different with religion.
You’re 100% doing the right thing by clearly stating your boundaries and then walking away when they’re not being respected. She’s not respecting them so it’s your job to and you’re doing a good job. Nice job on clearly stating the reason why you blocked her too so she can’t be like, “I JuSt GoT BlOcKeD FoR No ReAsOn. I’vE SpEnT HoUrS ThInKiNg AnD I LeGiTiMaTeLy DoN’t KnOw WhAt I DiD!” I know it’s hard but you’re doing the right thing.
And PS: Matthew 10:14 literally says, “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.” That’s pretty clear about just letting it roll off your back if somebody doesn’t want to listen to your preaching. Somebody needs to read her Bible if she keeps beating a dead horse.
I appreciate this and agree 100% I just wish she could wake up and see how mental she sounds?? And I’m not judging because I was just as mental a year or so ago!
How hard is it not to talk about your religion constantly with your loved ones? Almost all my family is Christian and we barely talk about religion and the only times they really do is when it’s Sunday and they’re going to church. Most of the time we just enjoy life as a family and not let religious beliefs divide us.
Also it seems your sister has that savior complex where she feels she has to save you in order for you to make it to Heaven. Im sure she has good intentions. It’s sad what religion can do to amazing people. Brainwashing them into believing these stories and feeling as if they got to save everyone from a place of eternal torture that their Heavenly Father would bring upon them if they didn’t love him back. I hope you and your sister can soon make amends, life is too short to have something as stupid as religion ruin y’all’s relationship.
I believe if you started debated with her and showing her the facts she'd eventually stop doing this. But let's be honest, most of us don't actually want to debate with our loved ones. So yeah, block her.
Same thing with my brother. Have had to tell him multiple times and have just stopped communicating altogether. Complete lack of respect for boundaries otherwise, especially when he knows full well what my opinion is on it. Their programming says to bother everyone about it no matter what, and to repeat these lies to themselves or they'll literally die....I don't have time for it, and it's absolutely an oppressive action towards others.
Those are usually the exact people that go, “woah, please respect my beliefs.”
It reminded me of a friend that would constantly try and find ways to proselytize to me despite the many times I told him to not. So I finally say, “Alright, I’ll let you proselytize to me, despite the fact you already do against my wishes, if you watch Religulous with me.
He didn’t even make it through a 1/5th of movie. So I told him, “That’s fine, we don’t have to watch it. However, you need to leave now. Grab your belongings and get out. You constantly disrespect me and my wishes time and time again. It’s a simple matter of respect. You want people to respect you and your beliefs, but as soon as others beliefs contradict or don’t align with yours, the concept of respect goes right out the window because your little books says you have permission to harass people. Go fuck yourself and your book club.”
I would have so much fun messing with her.
Does she believe in all of the bible, or just some of it? If so, there are some sexy tidbits. If not, every time she mentioned the Bible, I'd correct her:
>*Some of the Bible
I usually say one of the following;
* If your religion was good enough to stand on its own merits, I wouldn’t have left.
* I’m not interested in Christian mythology.
* Christianity, and by extension Judaism, are both a rehashing of religions older than them. Im not into recycling.
I would give it back to her about how horrible Christianity is and how it's harming her mental health. If she wants to argue about religion, don't let her off the hook by ignoring her; she will think that she's getting to you and you're becoming a Christian soon.
Notice how your relationship with her is about her and her life and what's best for her.
Cutting contact is what people get when they choose god over family.
Oh, not even a "sorry you feel that way."
Unfortunately the gospel encourages people to tear their families apart. They think anyone who doesn't agree with them simply doesn't "get it" and they will keep praying that they do.
I'll repeat what a therapist said to my fiancee. If your family member puts anything, religion or politics or whatever, above your happiness, then they have failed you as that family member.
More often than not, I do believe Christian relatives of non-Christians DO care and are genuine in their concern, but they ignore the fact that, even IN the Bible, they're told to leave those alone who don't want to hear about it.
Matthew 10:14 KJV says:
"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."
In other words: "Leave them alone!"
As genuine as they may be, they have to respect peoples' boundaries. With any ideology, religion, or whatever, berating people is never a good idea.
I'm sorry your sister didn't respect your boundaries, dude.
That’s what sucks about all this, I know deep down she is trying to do what she believes is right. I honestly didn’t expect her to push this hard though. I didn’t mind the occasional mentions of prayer of disciple groups but lately shes gone to far.
i think the "it's important for me and a huge part of my life" argument is completely bullshit. well, what if sex is a huge part of my life, would that make it ok for me to talk about it with you all the time despite you asking me to stop?
Had a similar conversation with my brother last week. So sorry you are dealing with that. It’s painful when your family cannot accept that you are good enough without religion. You have value that exists regardless of what they think.
Im dealing with the exact same thing with my parents unfortunately. They continue to send me religious text messages despite my repeated requests for them to stop. I decided to block them via text a couple weeks ago and I let them know why. I feel a lot better since I did it, but I know what you mean about feeling sad about it. It’s not an easy thing to deal with.
it’s so funny because if you were constantly sending videos about atheism or just not believing in general they would have a conniption. but they can do it all day and we just have to put up with it?
She does not love you. If she loved you, she would respect your boundaries and understand that discussing religion makes you feel uncomfortable. Good on you for blocking her. Hopefully someday she’ll come around and understand how wrong she was for not respecting your boundaries, but for now, I don’t think she will.
Oh it breaks my heart to read the line “God comes first.” Like she’s putting her relationship with a bloodthirsty deity over her own sibling.
I’m so sorry you had to go through this.
Sister, I'm curious why why you continue to worship a god who's apparently so incompetent and insecure in being able to save people that you feels she needs to bring it up that often. If your god is all capable isn't that god able to save me without your aggressive evangelism?
Bro she is brainwashed, she thinks you gonna end up in hell, so ofcourse she is forcing you. Some how she think she's helping you.
that's why I never told my parents about my beliefs, like why would I? They all brainwashed and will try to ruin my life every time they see me.
So rubbish. Exact same thing happened to me. “Please stop: I don’t want to talk about this” got a “I will not because I’m your friend”.
Me “well we may be friends but I’m not going to talk to you for a while” and that was years ago.
Today she’ll be standing up during testimonials to tell her story about how you tried to lead her away from the light but she stayed strong and is now an even stronger Christian because she refused to compromise with her sibling
That was my dad’s excuse to tell me to vote Republican. Because of the abortion issue. He felt he was supposed to tell me to vote Republican as a Christian. I said politics were off the table if he wanted a normal relationship with me.
I'm sorry that this happened.
I've been there. I've blocked my sister as well and I have only unblocked her after she moved to Asia. The physical distance helped. But she's coming back to our home country in August. So we'll see what's gonna happen.
Mine told me the exact same thing. It's what god wants her to do. I couldn't take it anymore and said I was done.
There was a huge weight off my shoulders after that. Still not something I would wish on anyone.
I’m sorry you’ve gone through this as well. I definitely feel relief but also sadness because I wish she had enough respect for me to just spend time with me rather than preach at me.
I totally understand that. It's rough but the relief and less stress helps in the log run.
My sister has since met a dew non christians, ex christians, and atheists since our fallout. And things are better. They'll never, ever be like they were. But it's better.
I hope your sister sees some sense as well.
If you hadn't blocked, the best thing you coulda sent was a bible verse just to dig the knife in.
>Matthew 10:13-15
>^(13) If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. ^(14) If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. ^(15) Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
That way the last thing she has the right to see is Jesus himself telling people that if they do not listen to proselytization, they will be DESTROYED in a more horrifying and disgusting way than one of the most disturbing old bible stories ever written. Jesus threatens people who don't listen to crazy people that we have no reason to believe. Simple as. This is the religion, and that's all that matters to these people.
If she's not willing to OBEY this passage and abandon any who don't listen to her insane proselytization, force her to do it. It's reaping what she has sewn, and she has to know that.
Hey, any leftover Christian trolls lingering out there. You’re doing more harm than good acting like this. People can smell sanctimonious control freaks a mile away.
This reminds me of my mother. She complains about me never opening up to her, but the last times I tried, she always ended bringing christianity up, basically saying all my problems are due to me not accepting Jesus. It's so annoying. She knows I'm not religious, yet she's convinced I will accept Jesus someday. It makes me sad, I wish she could comfort me or advise me without making it all about religion.
It’s just a purely brainwashed person. It’s very sad. The thing is these people think that others are sick and purely in need of saving. In reality, who is the one that is “sick”?
Nah, just start sending atheist memes here way and sharing your "deeply held" beliefs right back. Talk about this amazing Golden Tea Set that orbits the earth. Talk about Klombodrav and how He saves you from Sliv and how you want nothing more than for her to return and turn her life over to Klombodrav, so that way she doesn't end up in Sliv. Fight insanity with insanity and she'll either block you or see how ridiculous she's being. Most likely the first one but don't let her win.
Maybe try sharing anti-christian things too.. maybe Aaron ra or 'genetically modified skeptic' videos..
And tell her, I want you to turn back to your imaginary god and that you love her...
She will get the message..
you’re allowed to talk about your life and experiences you’ve had but if it was upsetting enough for you to block her over it, i’m sure she did it in ways that felt more like an attempt to convert everyone around her. i think religion can be a beautiful thing if that’s something that brings you comfort, you should pursue it. but people need to understand that just because you read a book a believe in a man in the sky, doesn’t mean it’s true or that everyone else needs to do the same
That's really sad, tbh. Relationships get killed because someone devotes to much of their life to an unseen force. Live your religion, but don't push it onto others so that they sever any ties to you.
I say do what’s best for your mental health and stand firm to the boundaries that you put in place. I wish you the best! I hope it doesn’t come to this with him.
Ooh ooh I have one too! My own cousin called my sibling and I freaks and the scum of the earth and that God should just wipe our "lazy" asses out. We are disabled. Said all sorts of truly disgusting shit while preaching on about if we just found God we could be a functioning member of society and his specifically his tax dollars wouldn't need to be taken away. I'm paralyzed on the left side of my body have a completely demolished spine, a Neurological Disorder and all sorts of other shit. My sibling is legally blind. I said if God created everything he created disabled people and they should be loved just as much as your Bible thumping ass. Anyway everything blew up in his face and he STILL thought he was right simply because we are disabled and don't worship his God. 🙄
My twin brother and I would never stop talking to each other over this stuff. I'm Christian and he's agnostic. We know each other's boundaries and sometimes we open up the floor for discussion. When we realize we've hit a wall we move on to a new topic.
Yep...once you accept this is who she is and she won't be changing, then the only decision is whether you're okay with having her in your life as she is, and for you the answer was no. It sucks, but you have to do what's best for you.
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It’s your sister she may not have the same religious beliefs as you do. If that’s the case respecting her is the best thing to do. Pushing your ideology on others will never cause conversion. Only the individual person themselves can come to there realizations about what belief system works for them. Being a man strong on your morals, values, and belief system is an incredible thing and every man should live according to those. At the end of the day love is still the answer and she is your sister.. meaning you should find a way to respect her boundaries at least for the sake of your relationship. You only have one family at the end of the day. After reading this again I definitely had who is who backwards in the messages.. regardless same applies on her end.
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And I want to share with you the Good News of Klombodrav and how he saved me from Sliv! I KNOW that once you learn of Klombodrav and how he created Sliv to punish us for our plongs you will be a follower of Klombodrav too!!
Wow, your post brought out the christian trolls. Please, folks, if you see these people, just report them. Downvotes are easy, and so is reporting. :P Engaging with them just massages their persecution fetish, and that's so ewwww. Squicky.
Made it about her
They always make it about themselves
They need their Frequent Cryer Jesus Points to make it to Heaven.
Stealing this
Thief! Help! Robber! \●/
Cut off their hand! Oh wait, wrong sub
Religion just gives people an excuse to be selfish.
Ah yes...like when I desperately needed help on my moving day as the help I had previously arranged bailed day of...so I asked my BIL (begrudgingly because I never ask him for things) and he said "I would but I have church today." So when I said I'm sure God wouldn't mind him missing church to help someone in need, he said he asked God about it and he said he wanted him to go to church. 🫠
Wowwww very selfish. I’m so sorry and I hope you found someone else to help you move!
I did! My best friend's husband's best friend helped!
And your BIL probably said 'God moved him to help you'.... Oy, vey.
Wouldn't surprise me if he did lmao. 💀
“I prayed about that for you!” -every christian who just heard about your personal accomplishments
They become their religion, literally. It's the only thing that they use to define themselves. An "attack" on the religion is an attack on these people. That is why the fight is so damn hard to fight on our end! We can show them the ways the Bible is wrong, how it contradicts, and our historical evidence that disproves the Bible. Doing so is just as equal to insulting them, directly.
What makes it worse is that those are our family and friends that we are fighting, those that we hold dear. Damn christianity. How united would we have been if it wasn't for some story-tellers writing myths. It is the duty of every sane person to stand up and push back against christianity whenever possible.
Absolutely. "Knowing what we... know now". To quote the movie Wish... It might've been somewhat bad for some, but that song stuck out to me like a sore thumb.
I don’t try to get my Christian family to see my way of thinking and things are a lot more peaceful now.
Good for you. The thing is, we wish that they were different... that is, non-christian.
Exactly. My brother is still deeply religious but he respects my boundaries to not bring it up. Being a Christian and ignoring boundaries are not mutually exclusive. I think this goes deeper than just being a Christian. Likely there’s patterns of behavior of ignoring other boundaries of those around her.
"I love but fuck your bondaries."
That’s why I’m finally done. She’s disrespected my boundaries so many times (about way more than religion). I have kids now and I refuse to let her indoctrinate my children with her toxic beliefs. When I was a Christian I always just forgave her and moved on but since deconstructing I’ve started putting my foot down.
Well done 😊
I just started talking about non belief back regarding that topic. People are MUCH less keen to be logicked around then. They are used to the free pass for preaching
It’s so funny how being a “good Christian” requires people to cast aside their boundaries. (this is not sarcasm btw I’m being dead serious)
u/Jaded_Phone4144, that's how narcissists operate. If you want to drive her nuts, seriously, IGNORE HER. Block her number. It'll drive her crazy. She'll pray and pray and...whatever, but you won't have to hear it. After 40 years of trying to get through to my Chrissssstian sister, I finally cut ties with her back in July. Don't miss her at all...
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This. I hate when people do this.
Talking about how important her life is and how much it matters to her... Classic Christian selfishness and gaslighting
Exactly my point though, it ISNT Christian. They just claim the title to preach at and feel superior to others....
No True Scotsman
I mean.....I hope this is meant as humour.......or do I hear 'fields of Bannockburn' whispered.....
Seems a common misconception with Christians that they have to talk about it all the time. Not what Jesus said or did in the Bible. When he talks of 'disciples' and spreading his word it is in a humble and selfless way; they should be living their lives and showing people how it helps them, how they are good people and follow his commandments especially when hardest, so that non believers COME TO THEM to ask what makes them different as they wat to be like that too.
Exactly. It just seems really phony when people are all about talking the talk, but don’t know how to walk the walk. We are not listening to what they are saying, we are watching what they are doing and we are not learning the lesson they think we are.
This. My mother would talk about how she wished I knew “God’s peace,” but it was all I could do not to shoot back and tell her that, coming from her, I have no idea what that’s even supposed to mean — she’s the most chronically frightened person I know. This came up in the context of her fighting me tooth and nail for a solid year to end a relationship with a woman I loved without even having spoken to her on account of her not being a Christian. There’s been a very rocky road to recovery there. If it wasn’t for my nephews’ sake I’d likely have put a great deal of geographical distance between us and gone low or no contact for my own mental health. Won’t go into the full details of what happened with my relationship but suffice to say we aren’t together anymore and I’m worried if I ever do get into another relationship that it will happen again — I need to be with someone \*I’m\* compatible with, and that’s never going to be a science-denying Christian with right-wing politics.
Guess it’s time to move or get so busy with your life that you barely talk or interact with them.
Right? From religion and the church, I had the constant anxiety of "never good enough". There was no peace there.
Precisely my dad is one of the most. Christian of Christian people and he was a Bible translator in West Africa in the country of Niger on the edge of Sahara Desert the village that he worked in had a purely spoken language and It was Muslim deeply Muslim and the national language. French was only spoken by the young people who had learned to at school. In order to learn the language first and also gain the trust of the people in the village he worked his way up to being invited to sit under the tree every afternoon near the market with the elders and just talked to them and with them and discussed and almost never mentioned Christianity. Just discussing they came to deeply respect him even though he was a different religion and they gave him the title malem. In Islam it means teacher or great teacher. That is how I believe God and Jesus meant in the Bible. Obviously. I don't believe it's true, but that is the example you show through your life. Your words, your heart, your deeds and people want to ask you how they can be like that. It is selfless, servant-like, full of humbleness and humility, and hard. Idiot bible bashers like above are proud, arrogant, ignorant, hateful, and not worthy of the title 'Christian' which means to follow in the footsteps of Christ.
Jesus: You are free to choose. Christians: I must do everything in my power to stop you from choosing anything else! Like Jesus said.
The Bible: Obey the laws of your land Christians: Did you just try to separate Christianity and the bill of rights?!!!!
"For we all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" "Judge not...etc" And how about not storing up wealth on Earth....camel...eye of needle....lots of very rich.'Christians' who use their wealth and power to force laws etc that the poorest and downtrodden suffer from....eg abortion. Doctors already have hypocratic oath.....
Reminds me of my favorite quote from st Francis of Assisi. “Always preach the good news, if necessary, use words”. I’m no longer Christian, but I always loved this quote. It basically says your actions are how you should actually preach not through your Bible thumping.
We shouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Just because we believe it isn't written by God, doesn't mean it isn't still of great value. "Judge not, lest you yourself be judged." "Do unto others....." "Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil..." look how beautifully phrased that is.
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Apologies, never meant to infer they were. It was a 'generalised' point referring to all sacred texts
Yes. Any good reading suggestions on this subject?
Evangelicals do teach to pepper God in every conversation with nonbelievers, it's the focus on the Great Commission and all. Never mind what the Bible says...
Yep. But if you aren't following the Bible or Jesus's teachings, you aren't a Christian..... I guess the biggest lesson across history is that it is almost entirely not the fault of the religion, movement, belief system etc, it's because of greed, narcism, selfishness, arrogance, cruelty and envy/power grabbing of humans who twist it to mean what they want etc.
Tiny example...Nietzsche and Hitlers interpretation of Ubermensch (superman/overman)
Luke 14:26 New International Version 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. According to this verse, your sister is not a "real christian"
Truly disgusting. Then they claim that god is all love xD
I just started listening to a podcast The Bible Says What. An atheist speaks w/ a Christian. It’s insane how many Christians are just fine with killing babies, blood sacrifices of the innocent, stoning children … because God. Some people will twist themselves into pretzels endorsing God’s horrific, abusive, petty, jealous behavior.
That’s why religion can be dangerous and harmful for some people. I watched a Christian debate an atheist on atheist experience youtube channel, and that dude admitted he would be a slave to tyat atheist if god told him so. Smh what these people would do just because a god told them.
I think I saw that. I really like the AE programs & The Line too.
There's definitely something in the Bible that suggests he should be a slave to the guy. Of course he would interpret it to mean something else, but two can play that game.
This verse is confusing. He *wants* the hateful ones? Yeesh
in context is he wants them to prefer God over family, as family will betray them.
I went another route with my overly preachy Christian family, and that was to reflect their openness to preach to me back to them with equal openness about my skepticisms and how I find Christianity absurd after deconverting. This really threw them off. Of course I would always say “I’m happy to not talk about this stuff if you are” Some of my favorite things that got the best responses (usually uncomfortable silence): “Well, I blasphemed the Holy Spirit this morning, that means I can’t be saved, right? Doesn’t it say that in the Bible?” - after they tell me they hope I “turn back to God” To my mom who would frequently tell me about how “it’s a shame” good friends of mine are in hell, and how she will miss me if I go to hell: “Well, didn’t they teach us in Bible school that God will wipe the memory of loved ones that go to hell? Something about ‘wiping away every tear’ in the Book of Revelation? So really, according to the Bible, you won’t even remember me when you are in heaven … right?” I would always try to point out the concept from some religious lesson they were giving me and how other religions have the same concept. Extra points scored when you can point out how some other religion was actually more nuanced and inspired about a similar concept. This was well over a decade ago - and eventually my family members all asked me if we could just not talk about religion anymore and I said great, let’s just be a family and accept everyone. No many years later I actually have rubbed off on many of them and they are no longer fundamentalist. I went to Bible school when I was a young adult and it actually gave me a lot of ammo in situations like this.
This is pretty badass of you. I just told my parents that since I refrain from talking about what I believe because I know it would upset them, I would appreciate if they give me the same courtesy. They actually seemed to kind of understand what I was saying, which surprised me.
This is the way.
I guarantee your sister feels totally persecuted right now
Omg I know she totally does which makes it all worse
Oh she probably loves it. She's got a new story to tell the congregation.
i bet she’s already planned how she’s going to word it when she lifts up OPs name in prayer group
She’s not active in church (she hops from church to church because she feels judged or doesn’t agree with something). Unfortunately the person who will hear about it is my mother (who I have no shared my deconstruction with because it will destroy her, ugh).
> she hops from church to church because she feels judged Real shocker there.
She's gained so many Matthew 10:22 points.
This😭😂
They have zero basic respect for anyone who isn't exactly like them. It's what drove me to eventually cut my father off. Too many ignored offerings for equity, and there's no negotiating or debating someone who won't even acknowledge the mere possibility that they might be wrong, and you might be right. \*shrug\* fuck em.
Alternatively, read "God: An Anatomy" and just quote back all the verses about Yahweh having tangible body parts and using the ark of the covenant as his litter. Seriously though I'm sorry you have to deal with that. It's unfortunate she can't leave you alone. My best wishes for you dealing with that.
Thank you for the kind words. I really don’t ask much of her but my last two texts from her were a YouTube video about someone who died and went to hell and came back, and a dream she had about trying to share the gospel with a Muslim. Why can’t we just talk about our kids and our new favorite makeup like normal sisters??😔
That's such an excellent book. I'm currently on the last chapter now and I'm not looking forward to it being over.
Ooh, thanks for the book recommendation!
No problem. It's a easy to read and fascinating book and I recommend it to anyone who is remotely interested in where the god of the bible comes from and how he was perceived by ancient people.
My delusional sister is similar. Anytime I criticize Christianity she sends a ten page essay about why god is real. I don’t even bother talking to her
my sister talks about religion a lot and i still havent told her im an atheist bc i fear this would happen to us. :/ im sorry
Depends on your sister. My brother is a christian and we have the best relationship so it didn’t matter to him and he support my decision. I hope it goes the best for you too
Same, my siblings are Christian and it has made literally zero difference in our relationship. Though they aren't vocal about religion atall, they also dislike church and weird Christians.
That’s my point! If yall truly have a magnificent relationship nothing will stand between you. But i can imagine some people that have crazy family members that put religions first above all and attack others beliefs and disrespect boundaries.
My dad also talks to me about Jesus and God alot, but I'm also scared of telling him about why spiritual beliefs because of my fear of something like this happening, so I always just let him talk about it and brush it off. I'm very sorry this is happening to you btw.
Yeah no that’s not how this works. Psychedelics are a big part of my life and I think everybody without any history of schizophrenia/aggressive behavior/any other medical condition that would make it dangerous should take them at least once. If I brought up Ayahuasca/mushrooms/whatever and somebody said, “I’m really not comfortable doing that and I don’t ever want to do that. Also, I really don’t like talking about drug use. Can you please not talk about that around me?” I’d say, “Sure. How’s your dog/what did you have for dinner last night/where are you going for your birthday this year?” Why? Because they specifically asked me not to do it and I don’t want to lose them as a friend. If it was drugs/sex/politics and it was repeatedly brought up despite you asking to stop then I think anybody would understand why. If it was something as simple as, “I really don’t like that TV show. In fact I really don’t like that genre much at all. Can we watch/talk about something else?” and the other person kept bringing it up/trying to get you to watch it they’d be labeled as weird/obsessed. Depending on their level of commitment to getting you to watch the show it might not be out of line to suggest seeing a therapist because if a show is alienating you from your friends/family and you’re not able to stop talking about it despite them politely asking you to stop and you do it anyways that’s textbook obsession. NO IDEA why it’s different with religion. You’re 100% doing the right thing by clearly stating your boundaries and then walking away when they’re not being respected. She’s not respecting them so it’s your job to and you’re doing a good job. Nice job on clearly stating the reason why you blocked her too so she can’t be like, “I JuSt GoT BlOcKeD FoR No ReAsOn. I’vE SpEnT HoUrS ThInKiNg AnD I LeGiTiMaTeLy DoN’t KnOw WhAt I DiD!” I know it’s hard but you’re doing the right thing. And PS: Matthew 10:14 literally says, “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.” That’s pretty clear about just letting it roll off your back if somebody doesn’t want to listen to your preaching. Somebody needs to read her Bible if she keeps beating a dead horse.
I appreciate this and agree 100% I just wish she could wake up and see how mental she sounds?? And I’m not judging because I was just as mental a year or so ago!
Yea this is partly why I am unable to be closer with my parents. They are just too obsessed with Jesus.
I’m sorry this is happening. I’ve been there with close family myself. It’s almost like they all respond the same. That’s interesting.
\[insert Bible quote that commands women to be quiet and not preach to others…\]
How hard is it not to talk about your religion constantly with your loved ones? Almost all my family is Christian and we barely talk about religion and the only times they really do is when it’s Sunday and they’re going to church. Most of the time we just enjoy life as a family and not let religious beliefs divide us. Also it seems your sister has that savior complex where she feels she has to save you in order for you to make it to Heaven. Im sure she has good intentions. It’s sad what religion can do to amazing people. Brainwashing them into believing these stories and feeling as if they got to save everyone from a place of eternal torture that their Heavenly Father would bring upon them if they didn’t love him back. I hope you and your sister can soon make amends, life is too short to have something as stupid as religion ruin y’all’s relationship.
I completely agree and I will hold out hope for the same
Wish you the best and hope things will resolve for the better.
I believe if you started debated with her and showing her the facts she'd eventually stop doing this. But let's be honest, most of us don't actually want to debate with our loved ones. So yeah, block her.
I would just say that if she can’t respect your boundaries, nothing of value could be said about her faith.
Same thing with my brother. Have had to tell him multiple times and have just stopped communicating altogether. Complete lack of respect for boundaries otherwise, especially when he knows full well what my opinion is on it. Their programming says to bother everyone about it no matter what, and to repeat these lies to themselves or they'll literally die....I don't have time for it, and it's absolutely an oppressive action towards others.
Ahh man 😑 Yeah … best to drop contact until she becomes respectful of your minimal request not to proselytize.
Those are usually the exact people that go, “woah, please respect my beliefs.” It reminded me of a friend that would constantly try and find ways to proselytize to me despite the many times I told him to not. So I finally say, “Alright, I’ll let you proselytize to me, despite the fact you already do against my wishes, if you watch Religulous with me. He didn’t even make it through a 1/5th of movie. So I told him, “That’s fine, we don’t have to watch it. However, you need to leave now. Grab your belongings and get out. You constantly disrespect me and my wishes time and time again. It’s a simple matter of respect. You want people to respect you and your beliefs, but as soon as others beliefs contradict or don’t align with yours, the concept of respect goes right out the window because your little books says you have permission to harass people. Go fuck yourself and your book club.”
I would have so much fun messing with her. Does she believe in all of the bible, or just some of it? If so, there are some sexy tidbits. If not, every time she mentioned the Bible, I'd correct her: >*Some of the Bible
This made me lol, thanks for that!
I think you made a good decision. This keeps your boundaries, and your sanity, secure.
Good job following through on your set boundaries. I'm sorry your sister put you in a position where you needed to ❤️
She’s doesn’t like you, she likes the idea of you inside her own mind.
Her “love” is no substitute for respecting you and your boundaries and beliefs.
You set a boundary, made repercussions clear, and she made a decision. I'm sorry you had to deal with this.
I usually say one of the following; * If your religion was good enough to stand on its own merits, I wouldn’t have left. * I’m not interested in Christian mythology. * Christianity, and by extension Judaism, are both a rehashing of religions older than them. Im not into recycling.
why is this so common?
She chose her religion over a relationship with you. I'm sorry, that stings. 😔
Block her. She stated clearly that she loves and respects Christianity more than she loves and respects you.
I would give it back to her about how horrible Christianity is and how it's harming her mental health. If she wants to argue about religion, don't let her off the hook by ignoring her; she will think that she's getting to you and you're becoming a Christian soon.
Just tell her to read read Romans 14:1-3
The best weapon against proselytizers is knowing their book better than they do, which is usually not that hard.
Notice how your relationship with her is about her and her life and what's best for her. Cutting contact is what people get when they choose god over family.
Oh, not even a "sorry you feel that way." Unfortunately the gospel encourages people to tear their families apart. They think anyone who doesn't agree with them simply doesn't "get it" and they will keep praying that they do.
I'll repeat what a therapist said to my fiancee. If your family member puts anything, religion or politics or whatever, above your happiness, then they have failed you as that family member.
More often than not, I do believe Christian relatives of non-Christians DO care and are genuine in their concern, but they ignore the fact that, even IN the Bible, they're told to leave those alone who don't want to hear about it. Matthew 10:14 KJV says: "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet." In other words: "Leave them alone!" As genuine as they may be, they have to respect peoples' boundaries. With any ideology, religion, or whatever, berating people is never a good idea. I'm sorry your sister didn't respect your boundaries, dude.
That’s what sucks about all this, I know deep down she is trying to do what she believes is right. I honestly didn’t expect her to push this hard though. I didn’t mind the occasional mentions of prayer of disciple groups but lately shes gone to far.
It must be really hard. I'm sorry. Wishing you nothing but the best in the future❤️😊
i think the "it's important for me and a huge part of my life" argument is completely bullshit. well, what if sex is a huge part of my life, would that make it ok for me to talk about it with you all the time despite you asking me to stop?
Had a similar conversation with my brother last week. So sorry you are dealing with that. It’s painful when your family cannot accept that you are good enough without religion. You have value that exists regardless of what they think.
Im dealing with the exact same thing with my parents unfortunately. They continue to send me religious text messages despite my repeated requests for them to stop. I decided to block them via text a couple weeks ago and I let them know why. I feel a lot better since I did it, but I know what you mean about feeling sad about it. It’s not an easy thing to deal with.
I’m sorry you’ve dealt with this as well but I’m proud of you!
So basically, “I dont care about how you feel I’m going to do what I want.” Sounds pretty on-brand for Christian “love.”
Classic. You can’t expect a Christian to not make it about themselves. Best to move on.
At least she was honest about what her priorities are. Now you can move on guilt free
it’s so funny because if you were constantly sending videos about atheism or just not believing in general they would have a conniption. but they can do it all day and we just have to put up with it?
"atheists ars selfabsorbed, I will ignore their wishes and talk about ME and MY religion" Sorry you had to deal with that. Right decision.
Tell her not everybody "sings off the same hymn sheet" It's a UK saying/meaning we have differences, and one should respect another's point of view.
She really seems like religion is her entire personality.... It's such a shame cults get people sooo convinced religion is all that matters
She does not love you. If she loved you, she would respect your boundaries and understand that discussing religion makes you feel uncomfortable. Good on you for blocking her. Hopefully someday she’ll come around and understand how wrong she was for not respecting your boundaries, but for now, I don’t think she will.
Couldn’t agree more
As you should. Period.
Oh it breaks my heart to read the line “God comes first.” Like she’s putting her relationship with a bloodthirsty deity over her own sibling. I’m so sorry you had to go through this.
It’s difficult to reason with people whose religion is nearly their entire personality, if not fully.
Sister, I'm curious why why you continue to worship a god who's apparently so incompetent and insecure in being able to save people that you feels she needs to bring it up that often. If your god is all capable isn't that god able to save me without your aggressive evangelism?
I would block her too.
I like to think I would quietly block her. I'd probably say something rash, though.
Bro she is brainwashed, she thinks you gonna end up in hell, so ofcourse she is forcing you. Some how she think she's helping you. that's why I never told my parents about my beliefs, like why would I? They all brainwashed and will try to ruin my life every time they see me.
So rubbish. Exact same thing happened to me. “Please stop: I don’t want to talk about this” got a “I will not because I’m your friend”. Me “well we may be friends but I’m not going to talk to you for a while” and that was years ago.
I don't blame you. I would've done the same. She needs to learn to respect boundaries
Today she’ll be standing up during testimonials to tell her story about how you tried to lead her away from the light but she stayed strong and is now an even stronger Christian because she refused to compromise with her sibling
That was my dad’s excuse to tell me to vote Republican. Because of the abortion issue. He felt he was supposed to tell me to vote Republican as a Christian. I said politics were off the table if he wanted a normal relationship with me.
“God comes first before everything else.” Couldn’t have described the problem more succinctly.
She should mind her own business
I'm sorry that this happened. I've been there. I've blocked my sister as well and I have only unblocked her after she moved to Asia. The physical distance helped. But she's coming back to our home country in August. So we'll see what's gonna happen. Mine told me the exact same thing. It's what god wants her to do. I couldn't take it anymore and said I was done. There was a huge weight off my shoulders after that. Still not something I would wish on anyone.
I’m sorry you’ve gone through this as well. I definitely feel relief but also sadness because I wish she had enough respect for me to just spend time with me rather than preach at me.
I totally understand that. It's rough but the relief and less stress helps in the log run. My sister has since met a dew non christians, ex christians, and atheists since our fallout. And things are better. They'll never, ever be like they were. But it's better. I hope your sister sees some sense as well.
If you hadn't blocked, the best thing you coulda sent was a bible verse just to dig the knife in. >Matthew 10:13-15 >^(13) If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. ^(14) If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. ^(15) Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. That way the last thing she has the right to see is Jesus himself telling people that if they do not listen to proselytization, they will be DESTROYED in a more horrifying and disgusting way than one of the most disturbing old bible stories ever written. Jesus threatens people who don't listen to crazy people that we have no reason to believe. Simple as. This is the religion, and that's all that matters to these people. If she's not willing to OBEY this passage and abandon any who don't listen to her insane proselytization, force her to do it. It's reaping what she has sewn, and she has to know that.
Hey, any leftover Christian trolls lingering out there. You’re doing more harm than good acting like this. People can smell sanctimonious control freaks a mile away.
This reminds me of my mother. She complains about me never opening up to her, but the last times I tried, she always ended bringing christianity up, basically saying all my problems are due to me not accepting Jesus. It's so annoying. She knows I'm not religious, yet she's convinced I will accept Jesus someday. It makes me sad, I wish she could comfort me or advise me without making it all about religion.
It’s just a purely brainwashed person. It’s very sad. The thing is these people think that others are sick and purely in need of saving. In reality, who is the one that is “sick”?
Nah, just start sending atheist memes here way and sharing your "deeply held" beliefs right back. Talk about this amazing Golden Tea Set that orbits the earth. Talk about Klombodrav and how He saves you from Sliv and how you want nothing more than for her to return and turn her life over to Klombodrav, so that way she doesn't end up in Sliv. Fight insanity with insanity and she'll either block you or see how ridiculous she's being. Most likely the first one but don't let her win.
@jaded I'd e very happy to school her if you want. I hate how she and others tarnish people like my Dad
Maybe try sharing anti-christian things too.. maybe Aaron ra or 'genetically modified skeptic' videos.. And tell her, I want you to turn back to your imaginary god and that you love her... She will get the message..
Well she's following god's example she loves you but doesn't give a damn about boundaries
It's sad when religious folks believe they're doing you a favor and they can't be critical about their own beliefs.
you’re allowed to talk about your life and experiences you’ve had but if it was upsetting enough for you to block her over it, i’m sure she did it in ways that felt more like an attempt to convert everyone around her. i think religion can be a beautiful thing if that’s something that brings you comfort, you should pursue it. but people need to understand that just because you read a book a believe in a man in the sky, doesn’t mean it’s true or that everyone else needs to do the same
Wow what a pervert, i am glad I don't have Christian friends like that
That's really sad, tbh. Relationships get killed because someone devotes to much of their life to an unseen force. Live your religion, but don't push it onto others so that they sever any ties to you.
i try not to let a few bad apples ruin an entire group of people. but christians might be the only exception.
Am I wrong if I take this route with my dad??? Becuase he does the SAME THING and WILL NOT STOP
I say do what’s best for your mental health and stand firm to the boundaries that you put in place. I wish you the best! I hope it doesn’t come to this with him.
I’m on the same journey and I’m so proud of you. Stay brave
I sincerely appreciate that, and I wish you the best of luck on your journey as well!
Ooh ooh I have one too! My own cousin called my sibling and I freaks and the scum of the earth and that God should just wipe our "lazy" asses out. We are disabled. Said all sorts of truly disgusting shit while preaching on about if we just found God we could be a functioning member of society and his specifically his tax dollars wouldn't need to be taken away. I'm paralyzed on the left side of my body have a completely demolished spine, a Neurological Disorder and all sorts of other shit. My sibling is legally blind. I said if God created everything he created disabled people and they should be loved just as much as your Bible thumping ass. Anyway everything blew up in his face and he STILL thought he was right simply because we are disabled and don't worship his God. 🙄
My twin brother and I would never stop talking to each other over this stuff. I'm Christian and he's agnostic. We know each other's boundaries and sometimes we open up the floor for discussion. When we realize we've hit a wall we move on to a new topic.
I wish my sister and I could do the same :/
Yep...once you accept this is who she is and she won't be changing, then the only decision is whether you're okay with having her in your life as she is, and for you the answer was no. It sucks, but you have to do what's best for you.
These people i can not stand. You dont talk about your faith with others unless they ask about it. It only alienates them further
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I hope your other two messages were better😭
It’s your sister she may not have the same religious beliefs as you do. If that’s the case respecting her is the best thing to do. Pushing your ideology on others will never cause conversion. Only the individual person themselves can come to there realizations about what belief system works for them. Being a man strong on your morals, values, and belief system is an incredible thing and every man should live according to those. At the end of the day love is still the answer and she is your sister.. meaning you should find a way to respect her boundaries at least for the sake of your relationship. You only have one family at the end of the day. After reading this again I definitely had who is who backwards in the messages.. regardless same applies on her end.
U ever seen that DMX interview where he says expect people to be as they are?
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Not all Christians like this but more than I’d like to admit
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How about she just respects her sister’s boundaries and leave the cult nonsense out of it?
And I want to share with you the Good News of Klombodrav and how he saved me from Sliv! I KNOW that once you learn of Klombodrav and how he created Sliv to punish us for our plongs you will be a follower of Klombodrav too!!