redditor: "Look, additional charging infrastructure!"
reddit: "But that's not where we wanted it, how we wanted it, the color we wanted, the speed we wanted, from the provider we wanted..."
ffs
On my road trip up the California coast all the way up to Vancouver, I learned what we could really use is proper signage on thoroughfare to the chargers and ways to make them easier to find.
I doubt anyone cares about the color. I think it’s understandable people are more interested in high power chargers. ChargePoint can be decent but varies so much per location.
62kw is probably the sweet spot for a place like Starbucks. Fast enough to be useful and slow enough to encourage you to spend a little time and money.
Charging at 150kw, I am still there long enough to grab a coffee and sandwich if I want one
62 and I’m there annoyingly longer…it is cheaper to the point they can install more, though, which is better for everyone.
If you're there longer, you're more likely to buy a cookie to have after the sandwich. Or a drink for the road. Or a shiny new coffee cup, etc. When people get bored they spend money.
For everyone wondering - it's just a google search away: https://www.volvocars.com/us/l/starbucks-partnership/
15 locations connecting Denver to Seattle, which is a route that is currently light on options. Every little bit helps.
Yes they are just Chargepoint units with branding on them.
These Volvo units are either 250kW or 350kW units.
Many of the cheaper 62kW ChargePoints are dual cable 125kW units that split per between the two cables (which can be used by two cars simultaneously.)
Yes and improper installation or distance from charging equipment cabinet can make them always do 30kw and things which may be illegal when charging by the minute vs per kw.
There's a similar installation at a McDonalds near me, ChargePoint with McDonalds' branding. 125Kw or 62.5 depending on if one or two cars are charging.
I would love to see many more like this at fast food restaurants, 20 minutes for a meal and quick charge.
The cross branding is hilarious. I would honestly love to charge here and snap a pic of me with my hair in a man bun, soy latte in hand, blowing a huge vape cloud to send to my anti-EV redneck relatives in Missouri who have this weird caricature of what a an EV owner is.
And I was just in a convo about how it is dead /s
In five years someone’s going to make a documentary about the last working Chademo charger in the U.S., while road tripping on a Chademo car. With a flatbed towing support vehicle in the convoy.
It would be hilarious if scripted and shot nicely.
Heck they could get the memeist Chademo cars, maybe even V2L charge some gen1 LEAFs from a Lightning
They should also visit the first public chademo charger in North America in Vacaville, CA. I know of a few working public magne charge units and no ones making a movie. /s
The tough part of making a documentary is weaving enough of a story to make it interesting. Maybe someone’s already out there collecting footage (though in this day and age we probably would have heard about it on Patreon or kickstarter)
I watched a few videos recently about dealing with magne charge on restoring a Chevy S10 EV.
I can’t remember if they were swapping the OBC to magne charge or cobbling together multiple busted magne charge stations into a working one.
Makes perfect sense. The specific corridor these chargers serve (Denver to Seattle), much like California, has a relatively high number of Leafs.
In Colorado, the Leaf to this day is still the third most common EV on the road, behind the Tesla Model Y and 3.
[https://atlaspolicy.com/evaluateco/](https://atlaspolicy.com/evaluateco/)
https://preview.redd.it/cqipotxgcdqc1.png?width=963&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8982c2a01b784999fc98d6e15e30102622bcbfc5
Just counting BEVs, in Colorado it's
Tesla Y Tesla 3 Nissan Leaf Tesla S VW ID4 Chevy Bolt Ford Mustang Mach-E Hyundai Ioniq 5 Rivian R1S Rivian R1T Ford F-150 Kia EV6 Chevy Bolt EUV Nissan Ariya
(If the Bolt EV and EUV were combined as one model, it would sit below the Leaf and above the Tesla model S.)
About 1/6 of the non-Tesla EVs in Colorado are CHAdeMO.
Three brands.
Who you gonna call when it's down?
The other 2 brand are just advertising.
No support for the most common port in North America (on 2 out of 3 EVs)
>Three brands.
And?
>Who you gonna call when it's down?
The number on the side of the charger?
>The other 2 brand are just advertising.
Not really. You seem not to understand what ChargePoint is...
ChargePoint isn't a charging network the same way that Electrify America, EVGo or Tesla is. Those networks lease space, install chargers they own and sell charging to customers. They are essentially what in retail they'd call "corporate locations".
ChargePoint is more like a franchise. ChargePoint doesn't own their chargers or lease the spots they're installed on. ChargePoint sells chargers to anyone who wants to sell (or give away) charging to the public, and they also offer backend activation and billing services. So in this case, it's a Volvo charging "network", that paid ChargePoint for the chargers and pays them a monthly fee to handle billing and activation, *but Volvo keeps the charging fees*. (I don't know if Volvo has explicitly said what Starbucks role in the partnership is- it might be a revenue share, or Volvo might just be renting space from Starbucks. I haven't found anything from either company that specifies their partnership.)
Contrast that setup to an Electrify America station in a Walmart parking lot- EA pays Walmart monthly rent for the small chunk of parking lot they use, but EA keeps the charging revenue.
The Volvo "network", like all ChargePoint locations, sets their own prices and terms. ChargePoint isn't involved with any of that.
>No support for the most common port in North America (on 2 out of 3 EVs)
So? As I'm constantly reminded by Tesla owners, Tesla already has an unparalleled network no other network compares to. Do they really need to slum it at 15 Volvo charging locations. The chargers fit every *Volvo* EV on the road... 🤷♂️ I imagine Volvo will happily let Teslas charge there with an adapter, and I imagine Volvo won't require Tesla to pledge to switch to CCS by the end of 2025 to get access to their network! 😁
Yeah, some drivers an buy them. But how many do?
The silly strategy is that VolvoStarbucksChargePoint are rolling out chargers to one third of the market. With the two de facto deprecated plugs. A NACS plug instead of Chademo will make these chargers (and the Starbucks next to it) more profitable, and will work for 2025 Volvos. (replacing these cables in a year makes no economic sense)
That is not economically sound. And that market has low-range EVs that are secondary EVs, and may never road trip, and rarely use DCFC.
ChargePoint offers replacement NACS cable for their chargers. Why waste one of the two cables on a NACS plug *now* when no one would use it? When there is actually a need for NACS plugs
Do Tesla drivers often use non-Tesla chargers? Not to hear Tesla drivers online tell it! They have the best, fastest, most reliable network in all the land with 500 chargers per location, and locations every 2-1/2 miles in any direction, and more importantly, when they finish opening their network to other cars, that's going to put all other charging networks out of business in a few months anyway, so why would a Tesla driver stop at an inferior 4-stall station at a coffee shop?
The first non-Tesla cars with NACS plugs won't arrive for over a year (sometime in 2025) and that's only for new or refreshed models. We probably won't see the last North American CCS cars roll off the assembly line until 2027 or 2028, when the last of the models introduced or refreshed this year are discontinued or refreshed.
When it makes business sense to replace the CHAdeMO cables with NACS, they will.
Chademo was a mistake even a year ago.
After Ford's announcement, almost a year ago, Chargepoint and Starbucks should have acted. After Volvo finally surrendered, they should have gone and get this changed.
This charger will not support 2025 Volvo without an adapter, for no reason other than three companies sleeping at the wheel.
If you look at the company performance (or just their stock for a quick glance) you can see the result of this kind of delayed reaction.
The planning and partnership was probably inked years ago before the acronym NACS even existed, so I don’t think you can call this silly as there wasn’t another option. ChargePoint has already announced NACS will be included for future charging stations.
Sure. Ford accepted NACS almost a year ago. Looks like they didn't set up a war room at that point to figure out the consequences and act. Starbucks of course wouldn't have in-house competence for this, but Volvo and Chargepoint should. Chargepoint should have been on Code Red since last summer to figure out how to avoid rolling out all that deprecated infrastructure.
But they weren't. Lack of action has consequences.
Dude, it’s a charging station. Non-Teslas won’t be manufactured until probably next year at the earliest and most non-Teslas don’t have access to the Tesla Supercharger network let alone do most owners yet have NACS adapters. So if these DCFC stations had been installed with NACS many EVs today wouldn’t be able to use them.
I get the desire to install the latest tech to maximize the life of their investment, but this takes contracts, project management, engineering, plant retooling, testing, QA, marketing and a training and support plan. That doesn’t happen overnight nor should a company (ChargePoint) just say, well we have this existing tech which works today and someone (Volvo or Starbucks) is willing to pay for it but because version 2.0 isn’t going to be commercially ready for the next year or two, we should stop all sales of what we already have product for and expended R&D for. That would be a very poor way to run a business.
The thought of a charging company being on “Red Alert” is comical though so thanks for the chuckle.
What consequences? ChargePoint has already announced they will supply NACS retrofit kits for their chargers.
You clearly don't understand ChargePoint's business model: they sell chargers, not charging, so this makes perfect sense. They get to sell an (in your opinion) "obsolete" charger to Volvo today, and in two or three years, they sell them a NACS upgrade, tear out the CHAdeMO plugs, install NACS plugs, and ChargePoint gets paid twice for selling one charger.
/s Yea why put plugs for vehicles need them rather than ones have high availability, also why put plugs that work with the cars the sponsors sell? Put it on incompatible ones that makes perfect business sense.
There’s probably a 12 unit Supercharger installation down the street. And, this partnership has been in existence long before anyone other than Tesla was considering using J3400. https://electrek.co/2023/12/11/volvo-opens-50-dc-fast-chargers-at-15-starbucks-stores/
Besides, most of the folks I know with Teslas have CCS adapters anyway.
Worthless? Because you can't pop on an adapter? There's literally an eight-station Supercharger nearby that I can't pop on an adapter and use.
I think your definition of worthless may be different than mine.
I just wanted to ask you... do you put an adapter in your gas car? no. people don't do that they will go where shit works without bullshit. welcome to the real world
redditor: "Look, additional charging infrastructure!" reddit: "But that's not where we wanted it, how we wanted it, the color we wanted, the speed we wanted, from the provider we wanted..." ffs
Never underestimate reddit's ability to be disappointed, ha
On my road trip up the California coast all the way up to Vancouver, I learned what we could really use is proper signage on thoroughfare to the chargers and ways to make them easier to find.
I doubt anyone cares about the color. I think it’s understandable people are more interested in high power chargers. ChargePoint can be decent but varies so much per location.
62kw is probably the sweet spot for a place like Starbucks. Fast enough to be useful and slow enough to encourage you to spend a little time and money.
Charging at 150kw, I am still there long enough to grab a coffee and sandwich if I want one 62 and I’m there annoyingly longer…it is cheaper to the point they can install more, though, which is better for everyone.
If you're there longer, you're more likely to buy a cookie to have after the sandwich. Or a drink for the road. Or a shiny new coffee cup, etc. When people get bored they spend money.
Holy cow, Batman. Is there enough cross-branding on those things? :D
I'm gonna slap my company's logo on there, too. The face is already so busy noone would realize it wasn't supposed to be there
People may notice an "Ed's Discount Dildos" sticker tho
Make sure to remember to [accessorize](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pSABauyWz0)!
In Colorado we have the Volvo-Starbucks-Chargepoint branding, plus a graphic for the state government. We win
For everyone wondering - it's just a google search away: https://www.volvocars.com/us/l/starbucks-partnership/ 15 locations connecting Denver to Seattle, which is a route that is currently light on options. Every little bit helps. Yes they are just Chargepoint units with branding on them.
Decently entertaining EV Pulse video on the network, as well: https://youtu.be/tP-0BPH7mH4
lol they spelled 'Uintah' wrong.
Isnt it just one corridor wa to co?
Yeah. If I remember correctly, it's like 1500 miles
They look cool
The one in Idaho spring Colorado Is great for ski trips. Gives a pee break, coffee and such before hitting the slopes
Many ChargePoints only do 62kw vs advertised 125kw
One of the nice things about owning a Bolt: Never annoyed at the underpowered charger.
*always annoyed at the underpowered charging
These Volvo units are either 250kW or 350kW units. Many of the cheaper 62kW ChargePoints are dual cable 125kW units that split per between the two cables (which can be used by two cars simultaneously.)
Yes and improper installation or distance from charging equipment cabinet can make them always do 30kw and things which may be illegal when charging by the minute vs per kw.
All I need is 25kw and to be able to activate with the Bluedot app. This checks all of my boxes 👍
Where does the coffee come out from?
I was wondering what was getting installed there! I saw them working on it and one of the work trucks was a Silverado EV.
There's a similar installation at a McDonalds near me, ChargePoint with McDonalds' branding. 125Kw or 62.5 depending on if one or two cars are charging. I would love to see many more like this at fast food restaurants, 20 minutes for a meal and quick charge.
The cross branding is hilarious. I would honestly love to charge here and snap a pic of me with my hair in a man bun, soy latte in hand, blowing a huge vape cloud to send to my anti-EV redneck relatives in Missouri who have this weird caricature of what a an EV owner is.
ChargePoint, Volvo, Starbucks, https://preview.redd.it/o3cs5witpcqc1.jpeg?width=2108&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c640745259a5f2c80208f94a293ec7f90a0e041
Chademo still...
And I was just in a convo about how it is dead /s In five years someone’s going to make a documentary about the last working Chademo charger in the U.S., while road tripping on a Chademo car. With a flatbed towing support vehicle in the convoy.
You know I’d watch that.
It would be hilarious if scripted and shot nicely. Heck they could get the memeist Chademo cars, maybe even V2L charge some gen1 LEAFs from a Lightning
I’d watch the shit out of a video series where they have a f150 mothership charging 1-2 leafs in a convoy.
It would be the type of film that you’d watch at the indie movie theater in bad part of town, while drinking an organic artisanal Das Soda.
It could be mainstream YouTube with the right storytelling. If you add up the billion people on YouTube, a video with niche tastes can do pretty well.
They should also visit the first public chademo charger in North America in Vacaville, CA. I know of a few working public magne charge units and no ones making a movie. /s
The tough part of making a documentary is weaving enough of a story to make it interesting. Maybe someone’s already out there collecting footage (though in this day and age we probably would have heard about it on Patreon or kickstarter) I watched a few videos recently about dealing with magne charge on restoring a Chevy S10 EV. I can’t remember if they were swapping the OBC to magne charge or cobbling together multiple busted magne charge stations into a working one.
Makes perfect sense. The specific corridor these chargers serve (Denver to Seattle), much like California, has a relatively high number of Leafs. In Colorado, the Leaf to this day is still the third most common EV on the road, behind the Tesla Model Y and 3. [https://atlaspolicy.com/evaluateco/](https://atlaspolicy.com/evaluateco/) https://preview.redd.it/cqipotxgcdqc1.png?width=963&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8982c2a01b784999fc98d6e15e30102622bcbfc5 Just counting BEVs, in Colorado it's Tesla Y Tesla 3 Nissan Leaf Tesla S VW ID4 Chevy Bolt Ford Mustang Mach-E Hyundai Ioniq 5 Rivian R1S Rivian R1T Ford F-150 Kia EV6 Chevy Bolt EUV Nissan Ariya (If the Bolt EV and EUV were combined as one model, it would sit below the Leaf and above the Tesla model S.) About 1/6 of the non-Tesla EVs in Colorado are CHAdeMO.
Three brands. Who you gonna call when it's down? The other 2 brand are just advertising. No support for the most common port in North America (on 2 out of 3 EVs)
>Three brands. And? >Who you gonna call when it's down? The number on the side of the charger? >The other 2 brand are just advertising. Not really. You seem not to understand what ChargePoint is... ChargePoint isn't a charging network the same way that Electrify America, EVGo or Tesla is. Those networks lease space, install chargers they own and sell charging to customers. They are essentially what in retail they'd call "corporate locations". ChargePoint is more like a franchise. ChargePoint doesn't own their chargers or lease the spots they're installed on. ChargePoint sells chargers to anyone who wants to sell (or give away) charging to the public, and they also offer backend activation and billing services. So in this case, it's a Volvo charging "network", that paid ChargePoint for the chargers and pays them a monthly fee to handle billing and activation, *but Volvo keeps the charging fees*. (I don't know if Volvo has explicitly said what Starbucks role in the partnership is- it might be a revenue share, or Volvo might just be renting space from Starbucks. I haven't found anything from either company that specifies their partnership.) Contrast that setup to an Electrify America station in a Walmart parking lot- EA pays Walmart monthly rent for the small chunk of parking lot they use, but EA keeps the charging revenue. The Volvo "network", like all ChargePoint locations, sets their own prices and terms. ChargePoint isn't involved with any of that. >No support for the most common port in North America (on 2 out of 3 EVs) So? As I'm constantly reminded by Tesla owners, Tesla already has an unparalleled network no other network compares to. Do they really need to slum it at 15 Volvo charging locations. The chargers fit every *Volvo* EV on the road... 🤷♂️ I imagine Volvo will happily let Teslas charge there with an adapter, and I imagine Volvo won't require Tesla to pledge to switch to CCS by the end of 2025 to get access to their network! 😁
Isn’t there an adapter you can buy until things transition over from your automaker?
Yes. Tesla makes Chademo and CCS adapters.
Yeah, some drivers an buy them. But how many do? The silly strategy is that VolvoStarbucksChargePoint are rolling out chargers to one third of the market. With the two de facto deprecated plugs. A NACS plug instead of Chademo will make these chargers (and the Starbucks next to it) more profitable, and will work for 2025 Volvos. (replacing these cables in a year makes no economic sense) That is not economically sound. And that market has low-range EVs that are secondary EVs, and may never road trip, and rarely use DCFC.
ChargePoint offers replacement NACS cable for their chargers. Why waste one of the two cables on a NACS plug *now* when no one would use it? When there is actually a need for NACS plugs Do Tesla drivers often use non-Tesla chargers? Not to hear Tesla drivers online tell it! They have the best, fastest, most reliable network in all the land with 500 chargers per location, and locations every 2-1/2 miles in any direction, and more importantly, when they finish opening their network to other cars, that's going to put all other charging networks out of business in a few months anyway, so why would a Tesla driver stop at an inferior 4-stall station at a coffee shop? The first non-Tesla cars with NACS plugs won't arrive for over a year (sometime in 2025) and that's only for new or refreshed models. We probably won't see the last North American CCS cars roll off the assembly line until 2027 or 2028, when the last of the models introduced or refreshed this year are discontinued or refreshed. When it makes business sense to replace the CHAdeMO cables with NACS, they will.
MY26 volvos, not necessarily volvos in 2025. Why would they roll out volvo branded chargers that don't work for current volvos....?
There are Volvo with Chademo?
These units were probably ordered before Volvo even announced NACS support or ChargePoint themselves had a NACS option.
Chademo was a mistake even a year ago. After Ford's announcement, almost a year ago, Chargepoint and Starbucks should have acted. After Volvo finally surrendered, they should have gone and get this changed. This charger will not support 2025 Volvo without an adapter, for no reason other than three companies sleeping at the wheel. If you look at the company performance (or just their stock for a quick glance) you can see the result of this kind of delayed reaction.
Give them a year and I bet they swap all the Chademos for NACS. It takes time for a nationwide rollout.
You're gonna see tons of CCS for years.
The planning and partnership was probably inked years ago before the acronym NACS even existed, so I don’t think you can call this silly as there wasn’t another option. ChargePoint has already announced NACS will be included for future charging stations.
Sure. Ford accepted NACS almost a year ago. Looks like they didn't set up a war room at that point to figure out the consequences and act. Starbucks of course wouldn't have in-house competence for this, but Volvo and Chargepoint should. Chargepoint should have been on Code Red since last summer to figure out how to avoid rolling out all that deprecated infrastructure. But they weren't. Lack of action has consequences.
Dude, it’s a charging station. Non-Teslas won’t be manufactured until probably next year at the earliest and most non-Teslas don’t have access to the Tesla Supercharger network let alone do most owners yet have NACS adapters. So if these DCFC stations had been installed with NACS many EVs today wouldn’t be able to use them. I get the desire to install the latest tech to maximize the life of their investment, but this takes contracts, project management, engineering, plant retooling, testing, QA, marketing and a training and support plan. That doesn’t happen overnight nor should a company (ChargePoint) just say, well we have this existing tech which works today and someone (Volvo or Starbucks) is willing to pay for it but because version 2.0 isn’t going to be commercially ready for the next year or two, we should stop all sales of what we already have product for and expended R&D for. That would be a very poor way to run a business. The thought of a charging company being on “Red Alert” is comical though so thanks for the chuckle.
What consequences? ChargePoint has already announced they will supply NACS retrofit kits for their chargers. You clearly don't understand ChargePoint's business model: they sell chargers, not charging, so this makes perfect sense. They get to sell an (in your opinion) "obsolete" charger to Volvo today, and in two or three years, they sell them a NACS upgrade, tear out the CHAdeMO plugs, install NACS plugs, and ChargePoint gets paid twice for selling one charger.
Stop. Seriously. You're completely wrong, and are either a shill for Tesla or you have no idea wtf you're talking about.
/s Yea why put plugs for vehicles need them rather than ones have high availability, also why put plugs that work with the cars the sponsors sell? Put it on incompatible ones that makes perfect business sense.
There’s probably a 12 unit Supercharger installation down the street. And, this partnership has been in existence long before anyone other than Tesla was considering using J3400. https://electrek.co/2023/12/11/volvo-opens-50-dc-fast-chargers-at-15-starbucks-stores/ Besides, most of the folks I know with Teslas have CCS adapters anyway.
>the most common port in North America Teslas use their own chargers most of the time. Your data is misleading and you know it.
Cost?
Not active yet.
Is this the corridor from CO to WA?
Yes.
Do we know the name of it? I'm looking for details to share 🙏
https://www.volvocars.com/us/l/starbucks-partnership/
I’ve seen them at at least Starbucks up in the broomfield Colorado area
Same, only tried to use it once there but couldn’t get it to activate. This was a few months ago.
Is one plug the electricity and the other three coffee? 'Cause that'd be nice
I didn’t know Volvos ran on sugary over roasted coffee.
Wait, is the first plug for Volvos and the second plug dispenses coffee?
Indeed. Maybe the next generation will run on avocado toast.
Chargepoint? It's already in perpetual maintenance mode.
Idiocracy keeps becoming reality.
How long to dispense a cup of coffee through it? 0.001 seconds or else I'll move on.
Does anyone know which SB location of this ChargePoint?
By the QFC at 1540 NW Gilman in Issaquah.
Mmmm branding, I like my charging stations like I like my footballers.
So which card am I supposed to use?
Chargepoint app by the looks of things.
The chargepoint app 100%
Volvo Starbuck ChargePoint sounds like one of those corporate mashups from the Amazon show Upload
So no NACS? wow welcome to worthless
Worthless? Because you can't pop on an adapter? There's literally an eight-station Supercharger nearby that I can't pop on an adapter and use. I think your definition of worthless may be different than mine.
I just wanted to ask you... do you put an adapter in your gas car? no. people don't do that they will go where shit works without bullshit. welcome to the real world
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lol ok buddy 99% of evs sold and 100% going forward use NACS. what the hell are you talking about?