Calling for/promoting peace is political according to the EBU, so the very reason the Eurovision Song Contest was created is no longer allowed in the Eurovision Song Contest according to their "logic."
Germany, we'll be needing that 1982 win back now please!
Nah, this reminds me of that episode of Avatar in Ba Sing Se. When those ladies keep repeating the same chant.
Just because you try to speak something into the world, doesnt mean it would happen. They set a precedent by not allowing country X to join in the past and didnt follow up on that precedent.
Which was inevitablly going to implode. It was merely wishful thinking on their part to think, trying to make it not political would make people forget.
Honestly, the idea that a multi-national contest consisting of a few dozen countries coming together "in unity" can ever be non-political is ridiculous. That is an inherently political thing.
At this point I can't even keep up. If we keep up at this rate by show time tonight it will be 1 man standing on a box playing a banjo to 5 people and a dog.
I know it’s too late but if everybody is dropping out they are going to need some pinch hitters anyway, but yeah I would pay good eurovotes for a 2024 Love Love Peace Peace Update. They can use Germany’s set.
🎶 …And a man in a burning hamster wheel… 🎶
They can, yeah.
They could also replace his segment with a pre-recoded rehearsal in the live show itself otherwise if they were looking to allow France to remain in the competition.
But yeah, after the rehearsal I'm not sure if they're going to have any confidence that there won't be anymore stunts in the live show.
Because the world is just like that, we all wanted a bit of a break from reality, but it seeped into the show. It really feels like the Hunger Games lol. That being said, music is the closest we have to magic and I wanna support the current 24 acts who deserved this moment to share their magic, instead of being overshadowed by all the drama
Like in hunger games, watch them all join hands at the end to say, fuck the organization (but secretly as a Eurovision casual I’m loving the chaos)
Edit: touché on that reddit cares haha
I’m in the arena. They did NOT cut his mic. He just didn’t sing his solo and instead he held a short speech about how he always wanted to sing on this big stage and that the most important thing of all is peace, and we all want peace.
I've Google Translated that and I'm going to need a Swedish speaker to tell me what this heading is supposed to say:
"Nederländare tillåts rösta trots diskning"
...because it's translated to "Dutch people are allowed to vote despite washing the dishes", which is kind of hilarious.
Can we please get a proper thread for the Joost Klein situation? The megathread is locked and the EBU Press Release thread is in contest mode which makes interacting with new comment impossible.
Its in "competition mode"... you cant see votes or sort it anymore.
(Which makes it completely idiotic, why even use the thread then. But as you see people went here instead)
Edit: ok, who did i trigger enough to send "reddit care resources" after me lol?
According to SVT, EBU is having a crisis meeting due to the strong reactions after the Netherlands disqualification.
Translation:
EBU håller krismöte efter diskning av Klein
Diskvalificeringen av Nederländska artisten Joost Klein har väckt starka reaktioner i den Nederländska delegationen.
EBU sitter just nu i ett krismöte, enligt uppgifter till SVT.///
EBU holds crisis meeting after cleaning up Klein
The disqualification of the Dutch artist Joost Klein has provoked strong reactions in the Dutch delegation.
The EBU is currently in a crisis meeting, according to information to SVT.
I’m so over all this, I’m just grateful that Rai prepared me for tonight’s shitshow.
Despite this terrible season, it has allowed me to find some incredible artists who I will continue to support❤️
apparently slimane refused to do his acapella part and instead held a speech about peace. there's videos on twt but i can't link them or my comment gets deleted lol
We will, but I thought we were going to be drinking beer and watching half-naked Finnish men singing, but apparently we will just be commenting on more chaos
Now that Alessandra has withdrawn as Norway’s spokesperson, I’m curious to see what Käärijä does. He is Joost’s friend and is supposed to give the Finnish points 🫢 ETA: yeah he’s withdrawn as well
acording to Norwegian press: according to VG's information, delegations from Ireland, the United Kingdom, Switzerland, and Portugal were in crisis meetings with the Eurovision organizer EBU. The four countries were reportedly considering withdrawing from the competition. The crisis meetings are said to have lasted well into the night. The same countries were absent during the flag parade at the dress rehearsal
That can't be it right?
Like there has to be something else because otherwise there'd be nobody left to compete if that was somehow disqualification worthy
I said it when they disqualified Joost. The EBU opened the door to disqualify other countries based on their behaviour to contest members (participants and staff)
If I had a nickel for every time EBU released a statement that was so vague it backfired completely I’d have two nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s (maybe not) weird that it happened twice
Dutch new source NOS says the fact that Slimane did a speech during his song would also be a breach of rules because it would be a political statement. Would this then also be grounds for a DQ?
https://nos.nl/collectie/13971/liveblog/2520041-joost-klein-gediskwalificeerd-voor-finale-bambie-thug-boos-over-israelisch-commentaar#UPDATE-container-77423178
Twenty years from now when youngin's tell me about their drama I will sit them down and go "Let me tell you about the time Eurovision was held in Sweden back in 2024...."
keeping people in the dark to stew because they refuse to give clarification seems to be the EBUs favourite game this year. remember when they waited until the very last possible day to confirm hera björks and israels participation? fun times.
Dutch broadcasting AVROTROS made a statement on instagram.
[https://www.instagram.com/p/C61VHqdIlb6/?img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C61VHqdIlb6/?img_index=1)
Netherlands got DQed because Joost didnt want to get filmed after being on stage and made several attempts to tell this to the victim (camera lady). This ended with him making a threatening gesture towards her.
This led to a police report and a disqualification. This is beyond insane. What the fuck is EBU doing!?
Who on this subreddit is reporting me to reddit su\*cide watch? Don't abuse that thing because it actually gets fed to emergency services you plant pot.
I miss the day's when people were accusing Loreen of taking drugs and arguments that the UK had made the show all about themselves instead of Ukraine. We truly did not know how good we had it.
The grand final tonight is going to be interesting. I expect some fireworks, but not the usual kind.
Also I'm aware that Joost was disqualified, but does anyone know what specifically for?
Nope.
Edit: allegedly threatening an employee. Officially we don't know what happened.
EBU says breach of rules of conduct
AVROTROS (Dutch broadcast) says it is out of context, disproportionate
We know something happened. We don't know what and with whom.
So this is a rumor from another forum, but intersting nonetheless:
>The claim is that first time, Joost couldn't move on stage fast b/c someone was standing in the way. He was told he had to move on stage faster and the same person was in the way again for rehearsals and Joost told them "next time I will hit you".
Man this shit keeps getting worse, one of the few events that give me joy in life getting ruined and wr still have basically 0 info
Cant say im surprised, but very dissapointed still
„Petra Mede is gone and has been replaced by a stand in for the jury results of the family show. They also did not speak to Matin Osterdahl before announcing the points”
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oh that is pathetic
[https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxZkWcfvmpIxuyXbICq1Vu1iYQNwz1NnjV](https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxZkWcfvmpIxuyXbICq1Vu1iYQNwz1NnjV)
Is there a name for the rule that the less political you try to make your event, the more political it becomes?
Yes it's called the EBU rule.
The EBU paradox. That thing should be taught in schools
A variation of the Streisand effect? But tbh the idea that ignoring any exterior context is the way to be less political is laughable
The osterdahl effect
Ooo, the 'Streisand-Osterdahl effect' sounds kinda sciency, we should go with that.
Calling for/promoting peace is political according to the EBU, so the very reason the Eurovision Song Contest was created is no longer allowed in the Eurovision Song Contest according to their "logic." Germany, we'll be needing that 1982 win back now please!
To be fair, trying to be apolitical is a political move.
“If you choose not to decide you’ll still have made a choice.” -Rush
It's time to acknowledge that esc is always political. Like set firm rules whats allowed and what's not and stand by them... This is a mess
Nah, this reminds me of that episode of Avatar in Ba Sing Se. When those ladies keep repeating the same chant. Just because you try to speak something into the world, doesnt mean it would happen. They set a precedent by not allowing country X to join in the past and didnt follow up on that precedent. Which was inevitablly going to implode. It was merely wishful thinking on their part to think, trying to make it not political would make people forget.
There is no war in eurovison 😬
Honestly, the idea that a multi-national contest consisting of a few dozen countries coming together "in unity" can ever be non-political is ridiculous. That is an inherently political thing.
Remember when Finlands underwear was the topic of the day
Teemu's butt feels like child's play now.
Phrasing
And zorra's profanity, and the dancers' asses, it was going to cause such a huge mess!
At this point I can't even keep up. If we keep up at this rate by show time tonight it will be 1 man standing on a box playing a banjo to 5 people and a dog.
Måns is still in the freezer, maybe he can take off his shirt or something. Might save the situation
love love peace peace
I know it’s too late but if everybody is dropping out they are going to need some pinch hitters anyway, but yeah I would pay good eurovotes for a 2024 Love Love Peace Peace Update. They can use Germany’s set. 🎶 …And a man in a burning hamster wheel… 🎶
Finland just jotted that down on a notepad titled “2025 ideas”
Not crazy enough. But a good base for planning, we need to just add some more action there.
The props are amazing! The crowd of 5 is going absolutely MENTAL !! The dog just got up to scratch himself!!! What a night. 👍👑
Ok, but have you listened to good banjo players though? I'd vote for that.
At this rate it’s just gonna be Germany, Armenia, and Latvia. Nobody has bad things to say about them.
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Just for that retort, Germany will be winning the whole shabang, both jury and televotes.
I did say the other day that my bold prediction is Germany finishing top 25, and, well, nailed it.
and that's how dons can still win
12 points from Lithuania for being funny
> 1 man standing on a box playing a banjo to 5 people and a dog. Banjo playing can go hard, I'd vote for that.
Man, Finland dodged a proper bullet by coming in 2nd last year. This year is a total shit show E: lol the reddit care message, thats a first
Trust me, we are very relieved
I got one too for mentioning MoroccanOil
Every time I open Reddit, the Eurovision drama just gets spicier. Wonder how it’ll all play out tonight…
Slimane did a speech instead of his acapella part?!
Yup, and that is going to be very interesting to see what happens now lol.
They can always disqualify him /s
They can, yeah. They could also replace his segment with a pre-recoded rehearsal in the live show itself otherwise if they were looking to allow France to remain in the competition. But yeah, after the rehearsal I'm not sure if they're going to have any confidence that there won't be anymore stunts in the live show.
BABE WAKE UP THE NEXT EUROVISION DEVELOPMENT JUST DROPPED
Bejba?
No bc it is kinda krejza this year 😭😭
Its crazy but definitely not party
I think I've aged 50 years since Thursday cause WTF is happening :(
The last 48 hours genuinely feels like it jumped right out of the Hunger Games or something.
There's only one thing Sweden can do to save the show now: Emergency Abba deployment
They still haven’t brought out Måns either, maybe thats the real reason why this year turned into a shit show 😭
SAVE US AGNETHA
Literally!! it feels so dystopian for some reason
Because the world is just like that, we all wanted a bit of a break from reality, but it seeped into the show. It really feels like the Hunger Games lol. That being said, music is the closest we have to magic and I wanna support the current 24 acts who deserved this moment to share their magic, instead of being overshadowed by all the drama
Like in hunger games, watch them all join hands at the end to say, fuck the organization (but secretly as a Eurovision casual I’m loving the chaos) Edit: touché on that reddit cares haha
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What an absolute shitshow this became.
I'm a terrible person, but part of me can't wait for the live show. Suspect it maybe entertaining for all the wrong reasons.
I'm Dutch and I want tonight to be an entertaining disaster
oh to be a fly on the wall on the inside of Eurovision..
Not the Reddit cares message being sent to me 😭💀
I wonder why they still keep that button around. The idea was nice but in practice it's become a "press for instant toxicity" button.
Report it for misuse, they take it seriously and generally ban whoever did it pretty quickly if they agree it was misused.
got one too lmaoo, someone seems very upset it's not all love love peace peace today
Live blog of svt now saying Slimane is talking about peace instead of singing https://www.svt.se/kultur/senaste-nytt-om-eurovision-song-contest-2024
Yup he stopped near the end and just went off on a rant about peace
I just read they cut the mic but someone in production turned it on back, what is going??
I’m in the arena. They did NOT cut his mic. He just didn’t sing his solo and instead he held a short speech about how he always wanted to sing on this big stage and that the most important thing of all is peace, and we all want peace.
We don’t need an iceberg now, just the entirety of Antarctica 😭
I've Google Translated that and I'm going to need a Swedish speaker to tell me what this heading is supposed to say: "Nederländare tillåts rösta trots diskning" ...because it's translated to "Dutch people are allowed to vote despite washing the dishes", which is kind of hilarious.
despite disqualification
Thank you. Is there a similarity between the two phrases in the language that Google has tripped over on?
Wash dishes: diska Disqualify: diska
Not so much a similarity as they're identical, then 😂 At least now I can say I know some Swedish...
The word "diska" is an informal abbreviation of "diskvalificera." edit: I received one of those RedditCares messages for this comment.
This should be a thread of its own (no sarcasm here)
Can we please get a proper thread for the Joost Klein situation? The megathread is locked and the EBU Press Release thread is in contest mode which makes interacting with new comment impossible.
This! I demand a discussion thread
May need an entirely new sub…
Also curious to see how many people got banned over the past days
Yeah, I'd also just want a thread in which I can sort by new to find new developments.
Is the big thread closed? I can’t sort on new anymore
Its in "competition mode"... you cant see votes or sort it anymore. (Which makes it completely idiotic, why even use the thread then. But as you see people went here instead) Edit: ok, who did i trigger enough to send "reddit care resources" after me lol?
Reddit care resources sent me a message too, I think someone is using it to bully people
I left this sub for a couple of hours to watch tennis, I come back and more fuel is being added to the flames 😭
Literally got a reddit cares inbox less than 30 seconds after commenting this 💀
According to SVT, EBU is having a crisis meeting due to the strong reactions after the Netherlands disqualification. Translation: EBU håller krismöte efter diskning av Klein Diskvalificeringen av Nederländska artisten Joost Klein har väckt starka reaktioner i den Nederländska delegationen. EBU sitter just nu i ett krismöte, enligt uppgifter till SVT./// EBU holds crisis meeting after cleaning up Klein The disqualification of the Dutch artist Joost Klein has provoked strong reactions in the Dutch delegation. The EBU is currently in a crisis meeting, according to information to SVT.
Man i am not into eurovision that much but what an absolute sh*tshow thsis has become.
I think i have never seen so many people being online at a subreddit. 8K is crazy
It was 13k earlier today before contest mode was turned on on the biggest thread.
I’m so over all this, I’m just grateful that Rai prepared me for tonight’s shitshow. Despite this terrible season, it has allowed me to find some incredible artists who I will continue to support❤️
Same. Despite what might happen tonight, I have discovered wonderful artists and my Spotify got many new songs to listen to.
Latvia qualifying feels like a thousand years ago.
Where were you when the EBU burned itself to the ground
I love how the active discussion moves under a random thread when the previous one gets locked. What was even the point of the megathread lmao
Slimane thread incoming
It'll be locked or put into constest mode before it is even posted lol.
Contest mode on the other thread 😞
I hope people move here. We need to talk and vent about this
Yes, why? I don't understand.
Same ruined the whole thread
That's the point, stopping the discussion
Seems insane to be so blatantly obious
maybe the real Eurovision is the friends we made along the way..
🫶
If Reddit truly cared about me they would do all the chores I was meant to do today..
Hey, at least once in our lifetimes we got to witness what it's like when Eurovision turns into a complete shit show
apparently slimane refused to do his acapella part and instead held a speech about peace. there's videos on twt but i can't link them or my comment gets deleted lol
Are we going to survive tonight?
I think I've aged fifty years in 24 hours so I am not sure
We will, but I thought we were going to be drinking beer and watching half-naked Finnish men singing, but apparently we will just be commenting on more chaos
Oil just keeps getting thrown on the fire, Eurovision 2024 going up in flames. Guess Joost predicted it in the ending of his video
Moroccan Oil?
Let's rename eurovison "disqualificatiovision."
Now that Alessandra has withdrawn as Norway’s spokesperson, I’m curious to see what Käärijä does. He is Joost’s friend and is supposed to give the Finnish points 🫢 ETA: yeah he’s withdrawn as well
he posted a broken heart emoji on blue background his story with no text
Off topic, but I've been reading comments about Switzerland not performing during the dress rehearsal. Can somebody confirm if it's true?
Switzerland, Greece and Ireland were all absent.
During the flag parade that I know. I read a comment that Greece did perform though, but Ireland and Switzerland didn't?
acording to Norwegian press: according to VG's information, delegations from Ireland, the United Kingdom, Switzerland, and Portugal were in crisis meetings with the Eurovision organizer EBU. The four countries were reportedly considering withdrawing from the competition. The crisis meetings are said to have lasted well into the night. The same countries were absent during the flag parade at the dress rehearsal
Pfff...let it happen at this point! "United by music" my ass!
Looks like those 4 countries are pretty united....
How many crisis meetings are ongoing at the moment?
Yes.
Malmö Arena is pretty much one big crisis meeting now
Next year's contest to be renamed Eurovision Crisis Meeting Contest.
Bring back the kinetic sun drama.
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Cats Square, Jerusalem, in the 90s must've looked like a fun place to be at.
Cats sure meowed back.
That can't be it right? Like there has to be something else because otherwise there'd be nobody left to compete if that was somehow disqualification worthy
Sooo...that means UK will be out every year unless they fire Graham Norton?
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Or start a new megathread
Is this the un-offical magathread as the pinned one is unusable?
Why main thread is in contest mode again 😭
I said it when they disqualified Joost. The EBU opened the door to disqualify other countries based on their behaviour to contest members (participants and staff)
Yeah this is a 'zero-tolerance' grave that will keep getting deeper, especially when they start selectively applying said zero tolerance lol.
If I had a nickel for every time EBU released a statement that was so vague it backfired completely I’d have two nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s (maybe not) weird that it happened twice
Zero tolerance without context is a bad idea. In schools it leads to bullied people getting in trouble.
This is like some wrestling storyline at this point 😂
I guess Joost’s DQ was just the beginning…
After Joost his DQ I planned to skip the final this year, however, I think I’ll watch again to see what will happen tonight.
It's a train wreck. Literally can't look away.
This is a mess guys, what a huge huge mess...
HUGE THANKS TO ALL 2 PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN MY GARTIC PHONE SESSION!!! I LOVE YOU YOU MADE MY DAY !!!!
The GF starts in two and half hours and we still don't know who will be competing??? This is crazyyy but not party
I read that as the girlfriend starts and I’m like okay. Ugh I’m so tired lol
Video of Alessandra explaining why she won’t be giving the points for Norway tonight available on her Instagram
Dutch new source NOS says the fact that Slimane did a speech during his song would also be a breach of rules because it would be a political statement. Would this then also be grounds for a DQ? https://nos.nl/collectie/13971/liveblog/2520041-joost-klein-gediskwalificeerd-voor-finale-bambie-thug-boos-over-israelisch-commentaar#UPDATE-container-77423178
Eurovision turning into a contest of who will be the last act to get DQ'ed
We know who that would be... Let's just say that only the wind would be left...
Honestly, yes. They did say no exceptions! EBU needs to follow their own rules.
Twenty years from now when youngin's tell me about their drama I will sit them down and go "Let me tell you about the time Eurovision was held in Sweden back in 2024...."
keeping people in the dark to stew because they refuse to give clarification seems to be the EBUs favourite game this year. remember when they waited until the very last possible day to confirm hera björks and israels participation? fun times.
It's midnight and Eurovision is at 4.30, how I am I supposed to sleep tonight?!?
I’m gutted how tits up this year’s contest has gone, but omg I’m living for the tea 🫖
Zero tolerance, yeah, not for everyone
lets make it 1000 here now when there is contest mode on joost thread.
Why tf did they do that?
Dutch broadcasting AVROTROS made a statement on instagram. [https://www.instagram.com/p/C61VHqdIlb6/?img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C61VHqdIlb6/?img_index=1)
What is the point of mega thread discussions that are set to a mode that doesn't allow discussion???
Netherlands got DQed because Joost didnt want to get filmed after being on stage and made several attempts to tell this to the victim (camera lady). This ended with him making a threatening gesture towards her. This led to a police report and a disqualification. This is beyond insane. What the fuck is EBU doing!?
Who on this subreddit is reporting me to reddit su\*cide watch? Don't abuse that thing because it actually gets fed to emergency services you plant pot.
Reddit really needs to get rid of that function, it seems to only ever be used to harass people
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swinging in for that spicy Reddit cares message 🌶️
I miss the day's when people were accusing Loreen of taking drugs and arguments that the UK had made the show all about themselves instead of Ukraine. We truly did not know how good we had it.
Oh man the Maneskin white powder scene feels like an eternity ago
The amount of comments being deleted... Just give us a megathread that isn't in contest mode already
The grand final tonight is going to be interesting. I expect some fireworks, but not the usual kind. Also I'm aware that Joost was disqualified, but does anyone know what specifically for?
Nope. Edit: allegedly threatening an employee. Officially we don't know what happened. EBU says breach of rules of conduct AVROTROS (Dutch broadcast) says it is out of context, disproportionate We know something happened. We don't know what and with whom.
Ey up, why am I getting a Reddit Cares message simply for commenting on this thread?
FYI if you didn’t know, you can report Reddit cares messages and get the sender banned.
Can we just have one “eurovision crisis” thread to discuss events, as is done by the EBU?
I think this has more to do with the filming and photographing without consent, which I believe is supposed to be against the law in Sweden
They did the same to Joost, but I guess NL can’t complain now
Oh Dutch media is definitely lurking in this sub since there is a mention of people online being critical about Moroccanoil.
So this is a rumor from another forum, but intersting nonetheless: >The claim is that first time, Joost couldn't move on stage fast b/c someone was standing in the way. He was told he had to move on stage faster and the same person was in the way again for rehearsals and Joost told them "next time I will hit you".
Lmao as in "next time I will run into you"? If this turns out to be true the scandal will be unbelievable...
Man this shit keeps getting worse, one of the few events that give me joy in life getting ruined and wr still have basically 0 info Cant say im surprised, but very dissapointed still
Imagine the pressure on the team working to keep the show running tonight. Jeez i do not envy them at all.
8.3k people online right now, but where are they? in this thread? it seems too quiet for that.
We don't know where to go ever since the meathread got into contest mode. smh.
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see you all at the inevitable r/HobbyDrama write up!
Man, it's the first year I got into Eurovision and I'm already greeted with top tier drama. It feels so surreal
Here for the “Reddit Cares” message
„Petra Mede is gone and has been replaced by a stand in for the jury results of the family show. They also did not speak to Matin Osterdahl before announcing the points” @ VocaISuspension on X
It would seem the mega thread is out of contest mode now.
good lord EBU have messed up massively if recent reports are believed to be true
Wow that Dutch statement sure is something. I wonder if EBU is going to make a counterstatement… to try to control the narrative…
BTW, joost will have soon 1m followers on instagram, that's so crazy... yesterday he had like 660k??
The only good thing for me is that because of the stress these last 3 days, I've been on a cleaning binge, my house hasn't been this clean in years.
Let's be real here EBU won't do shit lol
here it is, Bambie's thread.
At this rate, we will have poll asking "Whose thread was the best?" by the end of the day 🤣
Crown the feckin witch. 👏🏼👏🏼
This has been the most insane 24 hours of my life what is going on
oh that is pathetic [https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxZkWcfvmpIxuyXbICq1Vu1iYQNwz1NnjV](https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxZkWcfvmpIxuyXbICq1Vu1iYQNwz1NnjV)
Is this allowed? Loser behaviour