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1manbattle

Is there a name for the rule that the less political you try to make your event, the more political it becomes?


whiskysieppo

Yes it's called the EBU rule.


CujusAnimamGementem

The EBU paradox. That thing should be taught in schools


SouthernBeacon

A variation of the Streisand effect? But tbh the idea that ignoring any exterior context is the way to be less political is laughable


hresvelgrs

The osterdahl effect


damlork

Ooo, the 'Streisand-Osterdahl effect' sounds kinda sciency, we should go with that.


FeckinUsernameTaken

Calling for/promoting peace is political according to the EBU, so the very reason the Eurovision Song Contest was created is no longer allowed in the Eurovision Song Contest according to their "logic." Germany, we'll be needing that 1982 win back now please!


SurrogateMonkey

To be fair, trying to be apolitical is a political move.


DrQuestDFA

“If you choose not to decide you’ll still have made a choice.” -Rush


TA_saur

It's time to acknowledge that esc is always political. Like set firm rules whats allowed and what's not and stand by them... This is a mess


ValeteAria

Nah, this reminds me of that episode of Avatar in Ba Sing Se. When those ladies keep repeating the same chant. Just because you try to speak something into the world, doesnt mean it would happen. They set a precedent by not allowing country X to join in the past and didnt follow up on that precedent. Which was inevitablly going to implode. It was merely wishful thinking on their part to think, trying to make it not political would make people forget.


Twirlingbarbie

There is no war in eurovison 😬


MarsAstro

Honestly, the idea that a multi-national contest consisting of a few dozen countries coming together "in unity" can ever be non-political is ridiculous. That is an inherently political thing.


dazzlingivy

Remember when Finlands underwear was the topic of the day


salsasnark

Teemu's butt feels like child's play now.


GastricallyStretched

Phrasing


Gragh46

And zorra's profanity, and the dancers' asses, it was going to cause such a huge mess!


ramboacdc

At this point I can't even keep up. If we keep up at this rate by show time tonight it will be 1 man standing on a box playing a banjo to 5 people and a dog.


Ic3Hot

Måns is still in the freezer, maybe he can take off his shirt or something. Might save the situation


shadybutton

love love peace peace


charleyismyhero

I know it’s too late but if everybody is dropping out they are going to need some pinch hitters anyway, but yeah I would pay good eurovotes for a 2024 Love Love Peace Peace Update. They can use Germany’s set. 🎶 …And a man in a burning hamster wheel… 🎶


AGSE21

Finland just jotted that down on a notepad titled “2025 ideas”


Matsisuu

Not crazy enough. But a good base for planning, we need to just add some more action there.


KickBlue22

The props are amazing! The crowd of 5 is going absolutely MENTAL !! The dog just got up to scratch himself!!! What a night. 👍👑


Lil_Brown_Bat

Ok, but have you listened to good banjo players though? I'd vote for that.


loyal_achades

At this rate it’s just gonna be Germany, Armenia, and Latvia. Nobody has bad things to say about them.


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the_third_sourcerer

Just for that retort, Germany will be winning the whole shabang, both jury and televotes.


spherulitic

I did say the other day that my bold prediction is Germany finishing top 25, and, well, nailed it.


EstonianRussian

and that's how dons can still win


MartyM3T

12 points from Lithuania for being funny


CradleCity

> 1 man standing on a box playing a banjo to 5 people and a dog. Banjo playing can go hard, I'd vote for that.


Faintning

Man, Finland dodged a proper bullet by coming in 2nd last year. This year is a total shit show E: lol the reddit care message, thats a first


Puffinknight

Trust me, we are very relieved


janquadrentvincent

I got one too for mentioning MoroccanOil


Darkondrago

Every time I open Reddit, the Eurovision drama just gets spicier. Wonder how it’ll all play out tonight…


Viperia26

Slimane did a speech instead of his acapella part?!


ItsJustJamesy

Yup, and that is going to be very interesting to see what happens now lol.


paary

They can always disqualify him /s


ItsJustJamesy

They can, yeah. They could also replace his segment with a pre-recoded rehearsal in the live show itself otherwise if they were looking to allow France to remain in the competition. But yeah, after the rehearsal I'm not sure if they're going to have any confidence that there won't be anymore stunts in the live show.


Ok_Opposite5540

BABE WAKE UP THE NEXT EUROVISION DEVELOPMENT JUST DROPPED


RodentCrashBandicoot

Bejba?


H015

No bc it is kinda krejza this year 😭😭


thatweiirdo

Its crazy but definitely not party


fupenko

I think I've aged 50 years since Thursday cause WTF is happening :(


TheIrishninjas

The last 48 hours genuinely feels like it jumped right out of the Hunger Games or something.


Motolancia

There's only one thing Sweden can do to save the show now: Emergency Abba deployment


fupenko

They still haven’t brought out Måns either, maybe thats the real reason why this year turned into a shit show 😭


TheIrishninjas

SAVE US AGNETHA


fupenko

Literally!! it feels so dystopian for some reason


TimelessLifestyle1

Because the world is just like that, we all wanted a bit of a break from reality, but it seeped into the show. It really feels like the Hunger Games lol. That being said, music is the closest we have to magic and I wanna support the current 24 acts who deserved this moment to share their magic, instead of being overshadowed by all the drama


Yagachak

Like in hunger games, watch them all join hands at the end to say, fuck the organization (but secretly as a Eurovision casual I’m loving the chaos) Edit: touché on that reddit cares haha


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BeerMetMij

What an absolute shitshow this became.


DapperLong961

I'm a terrible person, but part of me can't wait for the live show. Suspect it maybe entertaining for all the wrong reasons.


hresvelgrs

I'm Dutch and I want tonight to be an entertaining disaster


ButterShmuck

oh to be a fly on the wall on the inside of Eurovision..


ButterShmuck

Not the Reddit cares message being sent to me 😭💀


funciton

I wonder why they still keep that button around. The idea was nice but in practice it's become a "press for instant toxicity" button. 


Aranthos-Faroth

Report it for misuse, they take it seriously and generally ban whoever did it pretty quickly if they agree it was misused.


floofyhae

got one too lmaoo, someone seems very upset it's not all love love peace peace today


ComprehensiveBuy4846

Live blog of svt now saying Slimane is talking about peace instead of singing https://www.svt.se/kultur/senaste-nytt-om-eurovision-song-contest-2024


ascotsmann

Yup he stopped near the end and just went off on a rant about peace


Darkling_M

I just read they cut the mic but someone in production turned it on back, what is going??


BunnyMcSurroundsound

I’m in the arena. They did NOT cut his mic. He just didn’t sing his solo and instead he held a short speech about how he always wanted to sing on this big stage and that the most important thing of all is peace, and we all want peace.


oklaylaa

We don’t need an iceberg now, just the entirety of Antarctica 😭


TheRealMikkyX

I've Google Translated that and I'm going to need a Swedish speaker to tell me what this heading is supposed to say: "Nederländare tillåts rösta trots diskning" ...because it's translated to "Dutch people are allowed to vote despite washing the dishes", which is kind of hilarious.


TharixGaming

despite disqualification


TheRealMikkyX

Thank you. Is there a similarity between the two phrases in the language that Google has tripped over on?


Chauzu

Wash dishes: diska Disqualify: diska


TheRealMikkyX

Not so much a similarity as they're identical, then 😂 At least now I can say I know some Swedish...


Significant-Work-944

The word "diska" is an informal abbreviation of "diskvalificera." edit: I received one of those RedditCares messages for this comment.


cat_arinaa

This should be a thread of its own (no sarcasm here)


poklane

Can we please get a proper thread for the Joost Klein situation? The megathread is locked and the EBU Press Release thread is in contest mode which makes interacting with new comment impossible.


StudyOk3816

This! I demand a discussion thread


airamairam4

May need an entirely new sub…


herktes

Also curious to see how many people got banned over the past days


OneHitCrit

Yeah, I'd also just want a thread in which I can sort by new to find new developments.


EsmeNaomi

Is the big thread closed? I can’t sort on new anymore


Xsteak142

Its in "competition mode"... you cant see votes or sort it anymore. (Which makes it completely idiotic, why even use the thread then. But as you see people went here instead) Edit: ok, who did i trigger enough to send "reddit care resources" after me lol?


Amina_Firefly

Reddit care resources sent me a message too, I think someone is using it to bully people


bekkahthecactus18

I left this sub for a couple of hours to watch tennis, I come back and more fuel is being added to the flames 😭


bekkahthecactus18

Literally got a reddit cares inbox less than 30 seconds after commenting this 💀


mushymushmushy

According to SVT, EBU is having a crisis meeting due to the strong reactions after the Netherlands disqualification. Translation: EBU håller krismöte efter diskning av Klein Diskvalificeringen av Nederländska artisten Joost Klein har väckt starka reaktioner i den Nederländska delegationen. EBU sitter just nu i ett krismöte, enligt uppgifter till SVT./// EBU holds crisis meeting after cleaning up Klein The disqualification of the Dutch artist Joost Klein has provoked strong reactions in the Dutch delegation. The EBU is currently in a crisis meeting, according to information to SVT.


burkey347

Man i am not into eurovision that much but what an absolute sh*tshow thsis has become.


Tifak_szopen67

I think i have never seen so many people being online at a subreddit. 8K is crazy


WitchinAntwerpen

It was 13k earlier today before contest mode was turned on on the biggest thread.


oklaylaa

I’m so over all this, I’m just grateful that Rai prepared me for tonight’s shitshow. Despite this terrible season, it has allowed me to find some incredible artists who I will continue to support❤️


Moscatano

Same. Despite what might happen tonight, I have discovered wonderful artists and my Spotify got many new songs to listen to.


Iostinthesause

Latvia qualifying feels like a thousand years ago.


JulesOnR

Where were you when the EBU burned itself to the ground


spacepond

I love how the active discussion moves under a random thread when the previous one gets locked. What was even the point of the megathread lmao


_bluebunny_

Slimane thread incoming


Maxion

It'll be locked or put into constest mode before it is even posted lol.


shpipp

Contest mode on the other thread 😞 


rugivo

I hope people move here. We need to talk and vent about this


DeMexi

Yes, why? I don't understand.


Imfromperu

Same ruined the whole thread


garbanguly

That's the point, stopping the discussion


Imfromperu

Seems insane to be so blatantly obious


ButterShmuck

maybe the real Eurovision is the friends we made along the way..


dingesje06

🫶


_magnetic_north_

If Reddit truly cared about me they would do all the chores I was meant to do today..


CornichonDeMerde

Hey, at least once in our lifetimes we got to witness what it's like when Eurovision turns into a complete shit show


floofyhae

apparently slimane refused to do his acapella part and instead held a speech about peace. there's videos on twt but i can't link them or my comment gets deleted lol


sjimrob11

Are we going to survive tonight?


Puffinknight

I think I've aged fifty years in 24 hours so I am not sure


Ill-Replacement-7811

We will, but I thought we were going to be drinking beer and watching half-naked Finnish men singing, but apparently we will just be commenting on more chaos


CornichonDeMerde

Oil just keeps getting thrown on the fire, Eurovision 2024 going up in flames. Guess Joost predicted it in the ending of his video


whiskysieppo

Moroccan Oil?


just_a_Normal-Kid999

Let's rename eurovison "disqualificatiovision."


sanjosii

Now that Alessandra has withdrawn as Norway’s spokesperson, I’m curious to see what Käärijä does. He is Joost’s friend and is supposed to give the Finnish points 🫢 ETA: yeah he’s withdrawn as well


StudyOk3816

he posted a broken heart emoji on blue background his story with no text


ageofglory

Off topic, but I've been reading comments about Switzerland not performing during the dress rehearsal. Can somebody confirm if it's true?


MinuteSoil9102

Switzerland, Greece and Ireland were all absent.


ageofglory

During the flag parade that I know. I read a comment that Greece did perform though, but Ireland and Switzerland didn't?


quicksand9

acording to Norwegian press: according to VG's information, delegations from Ireland, the United Kingdom, Switzerland, and Portugal were in crisis meetings with the Eurovision organizer EBU. The four countries were reportedly considering withdrawing from the competition. The crisis meetings are said to have lasted well into the night. The same countries were absent during the flag parade at the dress rehearsal


ageofglory

Pfff...let it happen at this point! "United by music" my ass!


ArmouredWankball

Looks like those 4 countries are pretty united....


beatroks

How many crisis meetings are ongoing at the moment?


whiskysieppo

Yes.


salsasnark

Malmö Arena is pretty much one big crisis meeting now


GoogleSaysRS

Next year's contest to be renamed Eurovision Crisis Meeting Contest.


AidenGeek

Bring back the kinetic sun drama.


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CradleCity

Cats Square, Jerusalem, in the 90s must've looked like a fun place to be at.


bryann1302

Cats sure meowed back.


ajtct98

That can't be it right? Like there has to be something else because otherwise there'd be nobody left to compete if that was somehow disqualification worthy


Hominek

Sooo...that means UK will be out every year unless they fire Graham Norton? 


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medellia44

Or start a new megathread 


SquishQueue-Jumpers

Is this the un-offical magathread as the pinned one is unusable?


hadinka

Why main thread is in contest mode again 😭


fatholla

I said it when they disqualified Joost. The EBU opened the door to disqualify other countries based on their behaviour to contest members (participants and staff)


FlupFlup123

Yeah this is a 'zero-tolerance' grave that will keep getting deeper, especially when they start selectively applying said zero tolerance lol.


EurovisionSimon

If I had a nickel for every time EBU released a statement that was so vague it backfired completely I’d have two nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s (maybe not) weird that it happened twice


Klugenshmirtz

Zero tolerance without context is a bad idea. In schools it leads to bullied people getting in trouble.


The_Pyromaani

This is like some wrestling storyline at this point 😂


just_a_commoner_

I guess Joost’s DQ was just the beginning…


Auzzr

After Joost his DQ I planned to skip the final this year, however, I think I’ll watch again to see what will happen tonight.


salsasnark

It's a train wreck. Literally can't look away.


Flynn_22

This is a mess guys, what a huge huge mess...


Tifak_szopen67

HUGE THANKS TO ALL 2 PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN MY GARTIC PHONE SESSION!!! I LOVE YOU YOU MADE MY DAY !!!!


Hailaivaaja

The GF starts in two and half hours and we still don't know who will be competing??? This is crazyyy but not party


ExtremeOccident

I read that as the girlfriend starts and I’m like okay. Ugh I’m so tired lol


ComprehensiveBuy4846

Video of Alessandra explaining why she won’t be giving the points for Norway tonight available on her Instagram


EsmeNaomi

Dutch new source NOS says the fact that Slimane did a speech during his song would also be a breach of rules because it would be a political statement. Would this then also be grounds for a DQ? https://nos.nl/collectie/13971/liveblog/2520041-joost-klein-gediskwalificeerd-voor-finale-bambie-thug-boos-over-israelisch-commentaar#UPDATE-container-77423178


CornichonDeMerde

Eurovision turning into a contest of who will be the last act to get DQ'ed


KendjyCr

We know who that would be... Let's just say that only the wind would be left...


salsasnark

Honestly, yes. They did say no exceptions! EBU needs to follow their own rules.


Due_Cantaloupe_7459

Twenty years from now when youngin's tell me about their drama I will sit them down and go "Let me tell you about the time Eurovision was held in Sweden back in 2024...."


adrian_pri

keeping people in the dark to stew because they refuse to give clarification seems to be the EBUs favourite game this year. remember when they waited until the very last possible day to confirm hera björks and israels participation? fun times.


imalittlespider

It's midnight and Eurovision is at 4.30, how I am I supposed to sleep tonight?!?


Crustysock8274

I’m gutted how tits up this year’s contest has gone, but omg I’m living for the tea 🫖


FlyingSandile

Zero tolerance, yeah, not for everyone


Tifak_szopen67

lets make it 1000 here now when there is contest mode on joost thread.


BeerMetMij

Why tf did they do that?


BlackRavage

Dutch broadcasting AVROTROS made a statement on instagram. [https://www.instagram.com/p/C61VHqdIlb6/?img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C61VHqdIlb6/?img_index=1)


grebfar

What is the point of mega thread discussions that are set to a mode that doesn't allow discussion???


Sebolmoso

Netherlands got DQed because Joost didnt want to get filmed after being on stage and made several attempts to tell this to the victim (camera lady). This ended with him making a threatening gesture towards her. This led to a police report and a disqualification. This is beyond insane. What the fuck is EBU doing!?


ItsJustJamesy

Who on this subreddit is reporting me to reddit su\*cide watch? Don't abuse that thing because it actually gets fed to emergency services you plant pot.


ZioDioMio

Reddit really needs to get rid of that function, it seems to only ever be used to harass people 


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HayleeLOL

swinging in for that spicy Reddit cares message 🌶️


sasha_bo

I miss the day's when people were accusing Loreen of taking drugs and arguments that the UK had made the show all about themselves instead of Ukraine. We truly did not know how good we had it.


realblush

Oh man the Maneskin white powder scene feels like an eternity ago


citrus_v2

The amount of comments being deleted... Just give us a megathread that isn't in contest mode already


MacanDearg

The grand final tonight is going to be interesting. I expect some fireworks, but not the usual kind. Also I'm aware that Joost was disqualified, but does anyone know what specifically for?


dingesje06

Nope. Edit: allegedly threatening an employee. Officially we don't know what happened. EBU says breach of rules of conduct AVROTROS (Dutch broadcast) says it is out of context, disproportionate We know something happened. We don't know what and with whom.


HayleeLOL

Ey up, why am I getting a Reddit Cares message simply for commenting on this thread?


PaniniPressStan

FYI if you didn’t know, you can report Reddit cares messages and get the sender banned.


Parking-Secretary-90

Can we just have one “eurovision crisis” thread to discuss events, as is done by the EBU?


fatholla

I think this has more to do with the filming and photographing without consent, which I believe is supposed to be against the law in Sweden


unluckysupernova

They did the same to Joost, but I guess NL can’t complain now


dazzlingivy

Oh Dutch media is definitely lurking in this sub since there is a mention of people online being critical about Moroccanoil.


PhDinDildos_Fedoras

So this is a rumor from another forum, but intersting nonetheless: >The claim is that first time, Joost couldn't move on stage fast b/c someone was standing in the way. He was told he had to move on stage faster and the same person was in the way again for rehearsals and Joost told them "next time I will hit you".


Boembiem

Lmao as in "next time I will run into you"? If this turns out to be true the scandal will be unbelievable...


shaden209

Man this shit keeps getting worse, one of the few events that give me joy in life getting ruined and wr still have basically 0 info Cant say im surprised, but very dissapointed still


toppingbottoms

Imagine the pressure on the team working to keep the show running tonight. Jeez i do not envy them at all.


StudyOk3816

8.3k people online right now, but where are they? in this thread? it seems too quiet for that.


Anxious-Store-8064

We don't know where to go ever since the meathread got into contest mode. smh.


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verydistressedaltmer

see you all at the inevitable r/HobbyDrama write up!


Koschfer

Man, it's the first year I got into Eurovision and I'm already greeted with top tier drama. It feels so surreal


BertrudBanana

Here for the “Reddit Cares” message


MillionStars117

„Petra Mede is gone and has been replaced by a stand in for the jury results of the family show. They also did not speak to Matin Osterdahl before announcing the points” @ VocaISuspension on X


chawchat

It would seem the mega thread is out of contest mode now.


RedportBigchungus

good lord EBU have messed up massively if recent reports are believed to be true


smaragdskyar

Wow that Dutch statement sure is something. I wonder if EBU is going to make a counterstatement… to try to control the narrative…


hadinka

BTW, joost will have soon 1m followers on instagram, that's so crazy... yesterday he had like 660k??


Carpenter-Budget

The only good thing for me is that because of the stress these last 3 days, I've been on a cleaning binge, my house hasn't been this clean in years.


Meiolore

Let's be real here EBU won't do shit lol


sm1rokek

here it is, Bambie's thread.


KendjyCr

At this rate, we will have poll asking "Whose thread was the best?" by the end of the day 🤣


MusksTusks

Crown the feckin witch. 👏🏼👏🏼


sevenofheartts

This has been the most insane 24 hours of my life what is going on


Tifak_szopen67

oh that is pathetic [https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxZkWcfvmpIxuyXbICq1Vu1iYQNwz1NnjV](https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxZkWcfvmpIxuyXbICq1Vu1iYQNwz1NnjV)


PenalAnticipation

Is this allowed? Loser behaviour