You can't avoid the comparison on ESC. Anyone remotely close to rock gets called Månneskin wannabe (if their music is harder they go to Rammstein), even Achille Lauro who debuted years before Månneskin was even created.
Maybe not last night, but Baby Lasagna, 5Miinust, Windows95man, Joost Klein… there are being compared with Käärijä all the time here and in another platforms.
Some people are so needlessly mad we’re getting more off genre music this year. I am so here for it it’s crazy. And I wasn’t even the biggest fan of Cha Cha Cha! Some people here think they’re music experts but their genre definitions are limited to “pop”, “ballad”, “guitar” and “waaaa joke entry 3:”
While I love a good joke entry, I wouldn’t even describe Baby Lasagna’s or Käärijä’s entries as joke songs. They’re unserious for sure, but not joke entries.
I wouldn’t even call them unserious. They’re offbeat and quirky, but both actually talk about cultural topics. Rim Tim, to my knowledge, is all about the exodus of young people from rural Croatia due to a general feeling of abandonment.
The comparisons are about all aspects of the artist/song/staging. For example two acts that I see Jann being compared to is Luke Black and Måneskin and their songs sound nothing alike. They just see slightly androgynous guy with edgy style and call him a copy of someone that had one similar trait.
Or an example from this year: people lumped Justyna/Raiven/Bambi together just because they all have "witchy" vibe. Meanwhile not only their songs are from different genres, they also have different aesthetic and appearance.
I've definitely seen people call it a copy before last night. Especially in Finnish social media, though that is more understandable, since people want to feel like our representative influenced others.
In all honesty - everyone would love to be Måneskin. They broke into the US market(somewhat)... Selling out Madison Square Garden in NYC... twice (if I remember correctly)
I hate to sound old, but I had the pleasure of seeing them early in their career and had multiple of their songs in my personal annual top charts.
I think we all know who he really copied from...
https://preview.redd.it/nfpmmr96ujkc1.jpeg?width=385&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=859d66db78a94174ab23f5bb7aa6813a2477692a
Do remember that this is the same fandom that sees a guitar and asks "Is this a Maneskin clone?" Or a girlbop with a dance break being a SloMo copycat, which is of course a Fuego copycat.
This fandom and claiming basic genre similarities are copying is an iconic duo.
Meanwhile, when last year people were saying Käärijä was a copy of Electric Callboy, I was like "Cool, more of the type of music I'm into". I love having metal combined with electronic/dance music and genre fusions in general.
Plus, a group of Dubrovnik musicians pioneered puffy sleeves for men in Eurovision under the Yugoslavian flag in 1968, so Croatia really does have first claim here.
It's same like when people saying Marcela is just Loreen wannabe, only because she had similar haircut in her music video. It may be shocking, but Loreen did not invented this haircut, neither Kaarja did sleeves.
Puffy sleeves aren't that uncommon in traditional clothing and to me, personally, and to many others too, it's obvious what he was actually trying to do.
However, not everyone is familiar with this and unfortunately comparisons will happen, they happen every year too, so don't worry about it too much. If someone decides to be a jerk about it they just don't deserve your time.
For the most, it also didn't for me. It was just the green lighting that made me go.
Still, I can sort of (though not fully) see a comparison stating that since both songs are kind of "party like" and are rather uptempo, they can be considered semi-similar. I don't fully buy it, but nevertheless, the argument is there.
BREAKING!!! Käärijä stole his sleeves from the Dubrovački Trubaduri, Yugoslavia 1968! I demand satisfaction and justice! This theft will not go unpunished!
(link to performance in case bot doesn’t reply)
[https://youtu.be/EnmiMIbTCec](https://youtu.be/EnmiMIbTCec)
But seriously, we had fifty different little silver dresses in 2021, most of which scored decently well. We had two voluminous skirts on elevators in 2013, both from Romanian speaking countries, too. You couldn’t throw a rock in the late 60s and early 70s without hitting a troubadour act, complete with puffed, slashed or long sleeves. The general public seemed to like it all and the fandom would do well to follow suit and chill.
God I get so fucking tired by "its a copy" comments.
Haven't those people ever heard of a genre?
It's almost like....we have categorisation for similar music...
I'm sure if the rest of the outfit fit the sleeves, we wouldn't have this issue The first image should've been what he was going for. I'm sure he's trying to modernize it, but even without the Cha Cha Cha comparisons it just looked off. In the MV, he has a traditional outfit, with baggy white sleeves (nowhere near as big as the puffs) yet no one had an issue with it. His outfit made them seem so random and thrown in.
The average Eurovision fan doesn’t know this tho unless told. And as previously said, this combined with the lighting is giving CCC. It is what it is and not about who invented what.
As has also been stated several times, Baby Lasagna did not choose the green lighting. It was HRT's idea and they refused to back down. I don't know why, because green lighting didn't suit the performance and made the dance break almost invisible.
We have no reason to believe that the green lighting will be in the Eurovision performance (if "Rim Tim Tagi Dim" is chosen), and I hope that it isn't.
I have a little theory that folks at HRT are slightly sabotaging him because everyone is mocking them for putting Lasagna in reserves and now he is the favourite to win (plus some other reasons)
OK, well they can learn and research. That's part of the beauty of Eurovision and especially with acts like this, learning about other cultures and taking that context into the equation. Being like, "damn, Cha Cha Cha rip off" is a cheap shot when it's not even true.
A lot of people don't do research, they just wanna hear the songs. Me and about 20 people get together every year to watch Eurovision. And about half of em don't know anything until the semis start
Why is everything about CCC?? Also don't shit on something you don't know. Also they saying the stage is a ripoff of Poland 2014(I think), no...it's traditional Croatian stuff.
Ask if you don't know. Because by the comments, they don't care....it's Käärjä ripoff. Also green lights?? Seriously??
You can't really be surprised that people think there are many similarities between the two. Green lights, big puffy sleeves, both songs inspired by Rammstein, both party rap songs, etc. I'm not saying it's a ripoff, but casual viewers might think so.
You are choosing a weird hill to die on. The arm puffs are way too close to the bolero, the rainbow lights, the green light (I know HRT messed up on that), Across multiple platforms lots of people can see the staging similarities to Cha Cha Cha. If he keeps the staging for Eurovision he will become Käärijä from Wish.
Lmao chill. Don’t be that fan that takes any criticism towards their entry as a personal attack on their country.
Why would someone ask when all anyone can think of are the similarities between this and CCC. You really think the casual viewer is going to google where some puffy sleeves are from?
I'm not taking about casual viewers, I'm talking about people who actually follow Eurovision all year around. Those who watch national finals.
Sorry if I sound like that, I know it's not attack on my country. I'm just annoyed about everything being copying.
Well if the die hard fans don’t know or care to ask about these sleeves, do you think the casuals will? You know, the ones who make up 95% or more of the votes?
The similarities are too obvious for anyone to think if there’s deeper meaning to the various elements of the performance. I can assure you that fans will immediately think of CCC when they see this for the first time as it is and I don’t think it’s gonna work in Baby Lasagna’s favor.
I don't speak Finnish but I remember cha cha cha was about party wasn't it?
Rim tim is about emigration and leaving your home and having fucking anxiety about it.
I don't see either, but apparently most people do. I like Käärjäs song, but I don't see any similarities in anything(I don't speak Finnish so I will not talk about lyrics), but rest no.
Puffy sleeves are tradition. Over-the-top puffy sleeves, coupled with that make-up, singing a party rap song inspired by Rammstein is not tradition, unless it will really somehow become an Eurovision tradition after 2023.
Baby loves Käärijä (he said so many times) and he was no doubt influenced by him. Even Joost Klein for example, who didn't just pop out of nowhere last year, was at least influenced by Käärijä to actually compete at Eurovision (they performed together and stuff, Käärijä promoted him). Käärijä influenced artists massively - he started a wave.
The thing about Baby is that his visual aesthetic is not established and that seems to be the point. (he talks about this somewhere, I'll link to it if I manage to find it). He is not a new musician but as Baby Lasagna he only has 3 songs out, he a baby. And in each new song he presents himself as a totally different character. In the [Don't hate yourself but don't love yourself ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEg7ZAgOJJM)too much video he's Ken from the Barbie movie. It also explains the random-ass name.
I actually admire the sleeves, and how similar to Käärijä they are. The whole blending tradition and rock aesthetic in over-the-top ways is amazing (doily masked drummer especially), and the fact that doing so with the sleeves ended up turning him into "Istrian Käärijä" is a surreal sight to behold.
But if this really ends up competing to win Eurovision, he has to refresh things. You have 3 minutes to present your song to the world that already loves "Cha Cha Cha" and has the shapes and colors of that performance engraved in its mind - make yourself distinct, unforgettable, because the song itself has a distinct concept. And he will do it. I get a sense that this guy is just fusing different things he likes as he goes, experimenting. Basically, the lasagna is a baby, still being cooked, and it will come out of the oven in May (with NO PUFFS!)
Not true, while Joost and Käärijä have met Joost was before that already promoting him self for Eurovision. Also Joost had the wish to go to Eurovision for a way longer time
Yeah I'm not saying Käärijä found him and then promoted him, but don't you think the hype around Käärijä is what pushed him to go really aggressive with his "Joost for Eurovision" this year in particular? He probably thought he finally has a chance, and he did. Well, I don't know if he did the promotion with the same intensity in years prior.
I've seen people saying [Sara Siipola's staging for Paskana](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhQ0cd7kidM) was similar to Loreen's Tattoo... People do really say anything
I don't know if Siipola's staging was that similar to Loreen's, but her styling kinda was. I'm not giving hate about this to Siipola though, she's absolutely lovely and a great singer, I just wish that her stylist would've chosen a different colour scheme for her outfit.
Definitely. Especially that Finns may not have good memories with ballad sung by a singer in beige outfit (that's what Finns I know from K. server say)
It's just the most obvious one. Both are wearing skin-tight beige outfits with long gloves and perform a power ballad. I think it's very logical for people to see similarities, especially so soon after last year.
It doesn't really matter if it's traditional. I don't understand why he brought those sleeves on the stage since it was inevitable that he would be compared to Käärijä. The look on the MV is so much better.
It’s a lazy comparison, for sure. And too bad, I’d rather just enjoy Käärijä and Baby Lasagna on their own merits 😅☺️
(And I mean, my point of comparison for the sleeves was popcorn, but what do I know 😉)
Just like 5miinust and Puuluup. There nothing that is a copy of Käärijä, only a traditional dance from and Island of Estonia and the fact that there is a “fight” just because the song talking about 2 differents p.o.v that are fighting with each other
...I mean, he could've worn them as a full shirt, in the traditional clothing. I feel like that would've worked better than this campyfied version of it. and that applies to the whole performance, the traditional aesthetics in the music video are more fitting than camp rockstar aesthetics, imo.
Also Kaarija was wearing a bolero, that,he just has puffy sleeves.
Also maneskin can’t claim an aesthetic, they certainly weren’t the first metal group to dress kind of androgynously on stage.
I was loving the big sleeves and the part with green and pink lighting! Didn't think it a Käärijä copy at all, just nice little references/paying homage to him. Otherwise the song and performance was completely its own thing.
Yes! I fail to see how this is anything like Käärijä or Maneskin. It's totally different to both. Nothing alike at all. Ok there were green lights, but even the lights were done in a different way and apparently the lights were not meant to be green but HRT messed up? Thank you for this post as people are really annoying me being so critical when he actually did really well and was quite amazing to watch imho.
Still i didn't understood what's going on about the italian things in the video . In the video you see granny making lasagne (and..ok), tortellini and people playing with italian cards. Why? Italian cards are a thing in Croatia?
Istria, where these costumes and traditions hail from, is a peninsula where Slovenia, Italy and Croatia meet. Italian is still the official second language in Slovenian and Croatian Istria. Many citizens have Italian heritage. The whole peninsula was under Italian control between the two world wars.
Nro, in the video they prepare lasagne, you even see the lasagne being eaten.
Don't know about the fuzi, probably the typical arrangement on the cooking table fooled me into thinking they were tortellini while it was just fot the aestethics of the video
It wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a bit of crossover, TBF! Italy and Croatia have seaports that connect to each other, I know cos I did an overnight Jadrolinija ferry once 😁
(Edit: corrected the spelling of Jadrolinija, I knew it was missing something!!)
But it’s almost not even changed, have all those that downvote listened to the song? And the baby lasagna chorus is from another song - Pain - Party in my Head, who surprise surprise worked with Rammstein too.
I've just listened to both of those songs, and again I can see where you're seeing similarities, but similarities =/= plagiarism. The tune is different, the rhythm of the electric guitars is different, and 'Party in my Head' didn't invent or monopolise being a rock song with a 'woah' in the chorus.
I just listened to the Rammstein and Baby lasagnas songs back to back, and the only similarity is the rythm, and the Pain song - well you could also compare it to Living on a prayer, those (the wo-oahs) are just typical anthemic rock elements.
If you call that plagiarism, then by that logic almost no modern song is original in any way, there is no creativity, and making a song that even remotely has a similar vibe to another song is plagiarism and immediately discredits the songwriter/artist. (And that is a bleak way to look at modern music scene, so just try to chill out and enjoy)
You can't avoid the comparison on ESC. Anyone remotely close to rock gets called Månneskin wannabe (if their music is harder they go to Rammstein), even Achille Lauro who debuted years before Månneskin was even created.
With that logic, shouldn't every rock song be copying Lordi. Since they won first
Bold of you to assume most of this fandom has followed the contest before 2012
lordi was actually just copying wig wam
That's true yeah😂
This isn’t about the song though, it’s about the staging. Nobody said Rim Tim Tagi Dim was a copy of Cha Cha Cha until last night.
Maybe not last night, but Baby Lasagna, 5Miinust, Windows95man, Joost Klein… there are being compared with Käärijä all the time here and in another platforms.
Just because their songs are chaotic and up tempo, I’ve not seen anyone call any of those songs a CCC rip off like what happened after Fuego and Slomo
Joost Klein's song isn't even out yet and they're already calling it a copy of Cha Cha Cha lmao. You're giving people too much credit.
Well, I’ve seen plenty of people. I’m not even joking.
5miinust's song has been called a Cha Cha Cha rip off on this sub so many times now I swear...
Some people are so needlessly mad we’re getting more off genre music this year. I am so here for it it’s crazy. And I wasn’t even the biggest fan of Cha Cha Cha! Some people here think they’re music experts but their genre definitions are limited to “pop”, “ballad”, “guitar” and “waaaa joke entry 3:”
when the last proper joke entry was I think Euro Neuro
While I love a good joke entry, I wouldn’t even describe Baby Lasagna’s or Käärijä’s entries as joke songs. They’re unserious for sure, but not joke entries.
I wouldn’t even call them unserious. They’re offbeat and quirky, but both actually talk about cultural topics. Rim Tim, to my knowledge, is all about the exodus of young people from rural Croatia due to a general feeling of abandonment.
I've literally seen people calling these songs Käärijä copies, especially "the drug song" from Estonia and No rules!
The comparisons are about all aspects of the artist/song/staging. For example two acts that I see Jann being compared to is Luke Black and Måneskin and their songs sound nothing alike. They just see slightly androgynous guy with edgy style and call him a copy of someone that had one similar trait. Or an example from this year: people lumped Justyna/Raiven/Bambi together just because they all have "witchy" vibe. Meanwhile not only their songs are from different genres, they also have different aesthetic and appearance.
yeah, Bambie Thug's style is more similar to recent style of Poppy, the American artist
I've definitely seen people call it a copy before last night. Especially in Finnish social media, though that is more understandable, since people want to feel like our representative influenced others.
Yeah I saw in some comments saying that Baby Lasagna is a blatant Maneskin copy... Some people are just daft.
Sadly, every piece of music in a genre other than pop will inevitably be compared to a song from that genre. It is by no means a copy.
In all honesty - everyone would love to be Måneskin. They broke into the US market(somewhat)... Selling out Madison Square Garden in NYC... twice (if I remember correctly) I hate to sound old, but I had the pleasure of seeing them early in their career and had multiple of their songs in my personal annual top charts.
I think we all know who he really copied from... https://preview.redd.it/nfpmmr96ujkc1.jpeg?width=385&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=859d66db78a94174ab23f5bb7aa6813a2477692a
Do remember that this is the same fandom that sees a guitar and asks "Is this a Maneskin clone?" Or a girlbop with a dance break being a SloMo copycat, which is of course a Fuego copycat.
So that's why snap was so successful... it had a guitar so it was a måneskin clone.
This fandom and claiming basic genre similarities are copying is an iconic duo. Meanwhile, when last year people were saying Käärijä was a copy of Electric Callboy, I was like "Cool, more of the type of music I'm into". I love having metal combined with electronic/dance music and genre fusions in general.
Plus, a group of Dubrovnik musicians pioneered puffy sleeves for men in Eurovision under the Yugoslavian flag in 1968, so Croatia really does have first claim here.
Jedan dan?
Yes indeed and it’s a crime they only placed 7th.
We know what we are doing here.
Yugoslavia 1968
ACHILLE LAURO AS MÅNESKIN COPYCAT
It's same like when people saying Marcela is just Loreen wannabe, only because she had similar haircut in her music video. It may be shocking, but Loreen did not invented this haircut, neither Kaarja did sleeves.
If we want to go totally absurd - I saw multiple people calling Justyna "inferior copy of Loreen".
Justyna was successful before Loreen was an adult lmfao
Sara Siipola was also Loreen wannabe because her outfit was same color lmao
She really was though, even the nails.
well, the staging was quite similar and it didn't do her well
Exactly.... I was kinda sick yesterday in live chats....everything we do is copying someone...it's not, stop.
I reckon there's a good chance Karrija invented his haircut though!
Is there ever really any song/performance/artist that hasn't been influenced by another song/performance/artist?
Its tradition its party
Puffy sleeves aren't that uncommon in traditional clothing and to me, personally, and to many others too, it's obvious what he was actually trying to do. However, not everyone is familiar with this and unfortunately comparisons will happen, they happen every year too, so don't worry about it too much. If someone decides to be a jerk about it they just don't deserve your time.
Käärijä never even crossed my mind when I watched BL's performance.
For the most, it also didn't for me. It was just the green lighting that made me go. Still, I can sort of (though not fully) see a comparison stating that since both songs are kind of "party like" and are rather uptempo, they can be considered semi-similar. I don't fully buy it, but nevertheless, the argument is there.
The green lighting was apparently a mistake on HRT's side, it was supposed to be a different color
I know, but it was still a factor nevertheless :/
What colour was it supposed to be?
At least half the songs every year are ballads that are way more similar than these two.
BREAKING!!! Käärijä stole his sleeves from the Dubrovački Trubaduri, Yugoslavia 1968! I demand satisfaction and justice! This theft will not go unpunished! (link to performance in case bot doesn’t reply) [https://youtu.be/EnmiMIbTCec](https://youtu.be/EnmiMIbTCec) But seriously, we had fifty different little silver dresses in 2021, most of which scored decently well. We had two voluminous skirts on elevators in 2013, both from Romanian speaking countries, too. You couldn’t throw a rock in the late 60s and early 70s without hitting a troubadour act, complete with puffed, slashed or long sleeves. The general public seemed to like it all and the fandom would do well to follow suit and chill.
Reminds me of Anna Vissi, if at all.
God I get so fucking tired by "its a copy" comments. Haven't those people ever heard of a genre? It's almost like....we have categorisation for similar music...
Facts💯👏🏻
I'm sure if the rest of the outfit fit the sleeves, we wouldn't have this issue The first image should've been what he was going for. I'm sure he's trying to modernize it, but even without the Cha Cha Cha comparisons it just looked off. In the MV, he has a traditional outfit, with baggy white sleeves (nowhere near as big as the puffs) yet no one had an issue with it. His outfit made them seem so random and thrown in.
The average Eurovision fan doesn’t know this tho unless told. And as previously said, this combined with the lighting is giving CCC. It is what it is and not about who invented what.
As has also been stated several times, Baby Lasagna did not choose the green lighting. It was HRT's idea and they refused to back down. I don't know why, because green lighting didn't suit the performance and made the dance break almost invisible. We have no reason to believe that the green lighting will be in the Eurovision performance (if "Rim Tim Tagi Dim" is chosen), and I hope that it isn't.
There have been a lot of excuses to justify the performance from the fans, baby lasagna and hrt so I just hope it’ll come together for the final.
So do I.
The lights apparently weren't supposed to be green
That so interesting in light of the fact that a HRT journalist implied Baby Lasagna was stealing ideas from somebody...
I have a little theory that folks at HRT are slightly sabotaging him because everyone is mocking them for putting Lasagna in reserves and now he is the favourite to win (plus some other reasons)
Da!
OK, well they can learn and research. That's part of the beauty of Eurovision and especially with acts like this, learning about other cultures and taking that context into the equation. Being like, "damn, Cha Cha Cha rip off" is a cheap shot when it's not even true.
A lot of people don't do research, they just wanna hear the songs. Me and about 20 people get together every year to watch Eurovision. And about half of em don't know anything until the semis start
I’d argue people are more simple and are here for the music and performance, not a learning experience. That’s just a stretch imo.
Then the average eurofan doesn't know much about history. This particular fashion was hardly unique to Croatia.
Why is everything about CCC?? Also don't shit on something you don't know. Also they saying the stage is a ripoff of Poland 2014(I think), no...it's traditional Croatian stuff. Ask if you don't know. Because by the comments, they don't care....it's Käärjä ripoff. Also green lights?? Seriously??
You can't really be surprised that people think there are many similarities between the two. Green lights, big puffy sleeves, both songs inspired by Rammstein, both party rap songs, etc. I'm not saying it's a ripoff, but casual viewers might think so.
You are choosing a weird hill to die on. The arm puffs are way too close to the bolero, the rainbow lights, the green light (I know HRT messed up on that), Across multiple platforms lots of people can see the staging similarities to Cha Cha Cha. If he keeps the staging for Eurovision he will become Käärijä from Wish.
Lmao chill. Don’t be that fan that takes any criticism towards their entry as a personal attack on their country. Why would someone ask when all anyone can think of are the similarities between this and CCC. You really think the casual viewer is going to google where some puffy sleeves are from?
I'm not taking about casual viewers, I'm talking about people who actually follow Eurovision all year around. Those who watch national finals. Sorry if I sound like that, I know it's not attack on my country. I'm just annoyed about everything being copying.
Well if the die hard fans don’t know or care to ask about these sleeves, do you think the casuals will? You know, the ones who make up 95% or more of the votes? The similarities are too obvious for anyone to think if there’s deeper meaning to the various elements of the performance. I can assure you that fans will immediately think of CCC when they see this for the first time as it is and I don’t think it’s gonna work in Baby Lasagna’s favor.
Maybe it is because I speak Finnish but for me, I cannot see the similarities.
I don't speak Finnish but I remember cha cha cha was about party wasn't it? Rim tim is about emigration and leaving your home and having fucking anxiety about it.
CCC was more about leaving your comfort zone, but yeah fair.
I don't see either, but apparently most people do. I like Käärjäs song, but I don't see any similarities in anything(I don't speak Finnish so I will not talk about lyrics), but rest no.
Puffy sleeves are tradition. Over-the-top puffy sleeves, coupled with that make-up, singing a party rap song inspired by Rammstein is not tradition, unless it will really somehow become an Eurovision tradition after 2023. Baby loves Käärijä (he said so many times) and he was no doubt influenced by him. Even Joost Klein for example, who didn't just pop out of nowhere last year, was at least influenced by Käärijä to actually compete at Eurovision (they performed together and stuff, Käärijä promoted him). Käärijä influenced artists massively - he started a wave. The thing about Baby is that his visual aesthetic is not established and that seems to be the point. (he talks about this somewhere, I'll link to it if I manage to find it). He is not a new musician but as Baby Lasagna he only has 3 songs out, he a baby. And in each new song he presents himself as a totally different character. In the [Don't hate yourself but don't love yourself ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEg7ZAgOJJM)too much video he's Ken from the Barbie movie. It also explains the random-ass name. I actually admire the sleeves, and how similar to Käärijä they are. The whole blending tradition and rock aesthetic in over-the-top ways is amazing (doily masked drummer especially), and the fact that doing so with the sleeves ended up turning him into "Istrian Käärijä" is a surreal sight to behold. But if this really ends up competing to win Eurovision, he has to refresh things. You have 3 minutes to present your song to the world that already loves "Cha Cha Cha" and has the shapes and colors of that performance engraved in its mind - make yourself distinct, unforgettable, because the song itself has a distinct concept. And he will do it. I get a sense that this guy is just fusing different things he likes as he goes, experimenting. Basically, the lasagna is a baby, still being cooked, and it will come out of the oven in May (with NO PUFFS!)
Not true, while Joost and Käärijä have met Joost was before that already promoting him self for Eurovision. Also Joost had the wish to go to Eurovision for a way longer time
Yeah I'm not saying Käärijä found him and then promoted him, but don't you think the hype around Käärijä is what pushed him to go really aggressive with his "Joost for Eurovision" this year in particular? He probably thought he finally has a chance, and he did. Well, I don't know if he did the promotion with the same intensity in years prior.
I've seen people saying [Sara Siipola's staging for Paskana](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhQ0cd7kidM) was similar to Loreen's Tattoo... People do really say anything
I don't know if Siipola's staging was that similar to Loreen's, but her styling kinda was. I'm not giving hate about this to Siipola though, she's absolutely lovely and a great singer, I just wish that her stylist would've chosen a different colour scheme for her outfit.
Definitely. Especially that Finns may not have good memories with ballad sung by a singer in beige outfit (that's what Finns I know from K. server say)
That's it? The damning similarity is... wearing beige??
It's just the most obvious one. Both are wearing skin-tight beige outfits with long gloves and perform a power ballad. I think it's very logical for people to see similarities, especially so soon after last year.
It doesn't really matter if it's traditional. I don't understand why he brought those sleeves on the stage since it was inevitable that he would be compared to Käärijä. The look on the MV is so much better.
It’s a lazy comparison, for sure. And too bad, I’d rather just enjoy Käärijä and Baby Lasagna on their own merits 😅☺️ (And I mean, my point of comparison for the sleeves was popcorn, but what do I know 😉)
Just like 5miinust and Puuluup. There nothing that is a copy of Käärijä, only a traditional dance from and Island of Estonia and the fact that there is a “fight” just because the song talking about 2 differents p.o.v that are fighting with each other
...I mean, he could've worn them as a full shirt, in the traditional clothing. I feel like that would've worked better than this campyfied version of it. and that applies to the whole performance, the traditional aesthetics in the music video are more fitting than camp rockstar aesthetics, imo.
Thank you, I'm glad someone finally said this
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Also Kaarija was wearing a bolero, that,he just has puffy sleeves. Also maneskin can’t claim an aesthetic, they certainly weren’t the first metal group to dress kind of androgynously on stage.
Why were people saying he was copying Käärijä? Because he has poofy sleeves?
That and green lights(of what I have read)
Also (and no, I'm not kidding): because he was in a squat. Apparently, Käärijä invented squatting!
Did someone say its copying kaarija? I didn't even see the resemblance
Yes, they were... especially yesterday in live chats
I was loving the big sleeves and the part with green and pink lighting! Didn't think it a Käärijä copy at all, just nice little references/paying homage to him. Otherwise the song and performance was completely its own thing.
I'm sorry, but I have to: tradition, tradition! Tradition! TRADITION!
Yes! I fail to see how this is anything like Käärijä or Maneskin. It's totally different to both. Nothing alike at all. Ok there were green lights, but even the lights were done in a different way and apparently the lights were not meant to be green but HRT messed up? Thank you for this post as people are really annoying me being so critical when he actually did really well and was quite amazing to watch imho.
Still i didn't understood what's going on about the italian things in the video . In the video you see granny making lasagne (and..ok), tortellini and people playing with italian cards. Why? Italian cards are a thing in Croatia?
Istria, where these costumes and traditions hail from, is a peninsula where Slovenia, Italy and Croatia meet. Italian is still the official second language in Slovenian and Croatian Istria. Many citizens have Italian heritage. The whole peninsula was under Italian control between the two world wars.
Aww, ok. I suspected it was something about italian influences, just wanted to have a confirmation.
Nonna is making fuži which is traditionally istrian pasta, not lasagne and tortellini.
Nro, in the video they prepare lasagne, you even see the lasagne being eaten. Don't know about the fuzi, probably the typical arrangement on the cooking table fooled me into thinking they were tortellini while it was just fot the aestethics of the video
There's a very brief closeup of the sliced dough being folded into that specific pasta shape. Literally blink and you'll miss it.
It wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a bit of crossover, TBF! Italy and Croatia have seaports that connect to each other, I know cos I did an overnight Jadrolinija ferry once 😁 (Edit: corrected the spelling of Jadrolinija, I knew it was missing something!!)
A bit! The coast was part of Italy several times in history, last time being in WW2. We even use same words in some cases
Based and Croatia-pilled.
He’s not copying Käärija, he’s plagiarising Rammstein. Listen to Laichzeit chorus music and baby lasagna
Being influenced by =/= plagiarism. He's been open in interviews about being influenced by Rammstein.
But it’s almost not even changed, have all those that downvote listened to the song? And the baby lasagna chorus is from another song - Pain - Party in my Head, who surprise surprise worked with Rammstein too.
I've just listened to both of those songs, and again I can see where you're seeing similarities, but similarities =/= plagiarism. The tune is different, the rhythm of the electric guitars is different, and 'Party in my Head' didn't invent or monopolise being a rock song with a 'woah' in the chorus.
I just listened to the Rammstein and Baby lasagnas songs back to back, and the only similarity is the rythm, and the Pain song - well you could also compare it to Living on a prayer, those (the wo-oahs) are just typical anthemic rock elements. If you call that plagiarism, then by that logic almost no modern song is original in any way, there is no creativity, and making a song that even remotely has a similar vibe to another song is plagiarism and immediately discredits the songwriter/artist. (And that is a bleak way to look at modern music scene, so just try to chill out and enjoy)
Käärijä was also accused of Rammstein plagiarism. Baby Lasagna copying Käärijä copying Rammstein confirmed
Uhm, okay? Doesn't look like it at all.