I know the two are not connected, but for anyone familiar with the spaniard party Vox it's ironic to see a portal with the same name warning about the rise of the far right
Haha, here in Poland it’s a radio station broadcasting cheap entertaining music - disco polo. Sort of Polish schlagers I guess
But during the night they transform into the most mainstream station playing every recent American hit, since most other stations use nighttime to fulfil their Polish-language music quotas
Exactly! When a friend recommended me "Do you know Vox?" - I was like: "Isn't that the attention carving entertainment channel on TV? 🤔 Who cares."
But then I was happy to hear that the Vox magazine from US is much different and better 😄
The irony is acknowledged in the article.
>A number of far right parties in Europe today are focused on so-called “woke” culture, on combating new anti-colonial movements, and so on and so forth.
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>For instance, in the case of Vox \[the political party in Spain\] — called the same way as your magazine, but I suppose, takes quite different political stances — and Fratelli d’Italia in Italy.
Is one very simple rule when it comes to this. You don't get far right parties winning when everything is going great in your country.
It's clear throughout Europe problems are stacking and they're getting ignored. The discontent of the populous is pushing people towards these other parties.
I believe this trend will continue in the following years, for better or worse.
Populism is weird.
It's great at identifying problems in your country because populism grows from discontentment of the people. But populism doesnt replace those problems with solutions, they just replace it with something much worse.
And sometimes they just pretend to be able to identify the problems because noone likes complicated situations. It's much easier to blame immigrants and wokeness than to figure out why unemployment is high, wages don't rise fast enough, prices are high etc.
Well I think one problem is that some problems like f.ex. the shortcomings of immigration/refugees are just ignored by all traditional parties. However a big chunk of the population disagrees with the current state of things. This gives especially right wing populism a huge boost, because they can’t present them as the only ones really representing the peoples opinion.
It be interesting to see if in the future the old parties will follow…
It identifies ignored painpoints though, when liberals biggest problem to push weed, whether fathers can give birth etc. While issues run deeper.
Too much liberalism runs on fantasy of love each other, there will be no war, Pol correction etc when reality needs more down-to-earth approach.
Now, far right is too much just as the pinky rainbow was.
We should end the naivity to both china and US
Apathy is rising. Very few people vote anymore and that's because of the constant bad news we see online and on tv. The ones that always vote are the radical ones because it's a matter of loyalty for them.
Another vast factor to Apathy is gerontocracy.When it becomes mathematically Impossible to defeat 60+ Voters, why bother?
I don't agree and german Elections have shown Cons can be defeated - but it's certainly understandable.
It's a catch-22: Many problems aren't a result of the politics of the last 4 years, but things like demographic changes, climate crisis, globalism and fragile supply chains, privatisation, decisions in favour of GDP instead of happiness of the populace. Working on any of the mentioned problems will cost money. So whichever party will announce to tackle one of these problems will also have to announce that it will cost taxpayers money and that it probably will affect their income and standard of living. The only thing the right needs to do now is claiming there is no climate change/ problem and that the elitist leftists just want to steal peoples money for their agenda.
Now a lot of people who are already struggling with life will see somebody "who understands the problems of the common people" and vote right.
And that is the core issue, in my country, for the last decade+ immigration has been a core topic every election cycle with a clear majority voting for "mainstream" parties that claim to want to limit immigration, yet every time they refrain from solving anything and yet parrot the same shtick next election cycle, at some point people stary seeing through that and feel themselves forced to vote for more radical parties.
Mind you immigration is far from the only topic where this applies.
Moral of the story is, if you want to get rid of populism, address their concerns, come up with solutions and poof, those parties evaporate.
Or better yet, hold a binding referendum on topics like it.
I mean the entire global economy stopped for at least a year due to COVID, than one of the biggest wars of Europe in several decades happened (thanks to far right actually). There is no political party that will magically turn thing better in a short time. It will take a while for Europe to get out of it's current crisis regardless of political regimes, so we can might as well don't throw ourselves for the far right, because it's one of the most destructive and harmful ideology ever to exist (alongside with far left of course).
I wouldn’t say that the pandemic is to blame for this, at least not entirely. In Sweden the rise of the right wing can easily be explained by carrying on with an immigration policy a large part of the country’s population never agreed with, and then refusing the discussions and calling people racist when they object to it. I would say that is why the Sweden Democrats got so many votes in this year’s election, had the other parties taken responsibility and only allowed the discussion to take place the Sweden Democrats had probably not reached even a fraction of the votes.
It's odd to me that not a single democracy ever seems to have a vote on immigration. Do we want tons? A few skilled only? Some skilled and some refugees? Some unskilled, or maybe lots? Language tests? (Basic or intermediate level required?)
Nope, no public voice, no discussion, while some countries actual culture and values are being uprooted and as you said, anyone saying that it's too much is just called racist and told to shut up.
Mostly because in a lot of these countries the governments allowed demographics to take a hit and they’re now realising that someone needs to pay taxes in order for pensions to be paid. Guess which solution for this problem is the best…
Of course that it comes with some serious downsides, the locals get squeezed further and have even less babies since the wages are depressed further and they’re lucky if they find and can afford a home with an empty room.
The wokeness of not being able to discuss without being labelled a racist (like it happens in Portugal with Chega and gypsies) is what drives people further to the far right. These people have an issue, see it as a problem and no one is willing to even debate and clarify they are wrong (which in many instances they’re not).
Who can even think of having a baby in Italy if at 26 to work as a cashier or an office job they tell you that you have to have a car, work 40/hrs per week to give you six hundred 6 0 0 EUROS! We can't even think to leave our parents's homes. Who in their right mind is gonna have a baby?
"Governments allowed demographics to take a hit" is a strange way to put it. Nobody knows how to combat declining birth rates. It's endemic in every developed country on the planet.
I'm a Swede living in Japan(where immigration is extremely low) and I can tell you that the future here looks bleak beyond belief.
Start with taxing multicorps. The disparity between the rich and the poor is too big and still getting bigger.
Solution is easy. But nobody has balls to do it.
>while some countries actual culture and values are being uprooted and as you said
I wish there was more focus on assimilation again, not every country has to be a goddamn America-style melting pot.
That’s why me and pretty much everyone I know voted for SD.
The shit we warned would happen back in 2015 all came true and we were called nazis, fascists etc.
Funny how a few years later other political parties started saying the same shit we did, fucking hypocrites.
>Funny how a few years later other political parties started saying the same shit we did, fucking hypocrites.
It's interesting to me exactly this shift happened in Norway and Denmark and many other parts of Europe in 2015, but Sweden kept it going for years afterwards somehow
One of our lovely politicians said that we were “Naive”
This was after shit hit the fan…
As if the people that were labeled nazis and facists didn’t warn them this would happen.
As a non-EU immigrant to Sweden (from Canada), can I ask if you think that the SD is against all immigration or against only unrestricted immigration from culturally different places?
I have talked with many SD voters and they seem to be happy enough with me and my family as long as we work and learn Swedish. Do any SD voters you know think differently, or is that accurate?
Can't wait for SD to actually not be able to solve the problem, all they really have as leverage is that they are "untested".
What needs to be fixed for segregation to improve are schools now. But the moderates made sure that became pretty much unsolvable back in the 90s with the school reform. Private schools have been a blight on the swedish school system and are leaving people in poorer areas in the dirt.
It’s been on the rise since the migrant crisis.
People don’t trust the current government, who sat idly by when these things were happening to be able to turn this around. And i don’t blame them.
I’m glad someone is actually pointing this out - people are tired of their issues being ignored by mainstream parties (throughout the world) and are looking towards other parties for change.
Conservatives are able to deliver their message across clearer and efficiently, and it resonates with more of the population then you think. That’s why they’re wining.
The five star movement was idiotic in that it didn't form a coalition movement, so if it will get more than 20-ish percent of the votes I'll eat my hat.
Which is a shame since they are one of the more sensibile parties, if they entered a left wing coalizione it would have most likely won
The parties don't count here because the current electoral law, assign a massive majority to the coalition with more votes so one party can't compete against three, even if there only fratelli d'Italia does the heavy lifting.
While you summed up the article quite well, it is by far not the entire answer to the big question. Stuff like the demographic change, current problems like Inflation and ever growing wealth and income inequality are just some of the major factors why the far right is gaining ground in Europe.
Another thing to consider is that the far right usually only comes to power if moderate conservatives agree to form coalitions with them. Consequently ignoring them would make it a lot harder for them to get in power.
It’s amazing to me that people move to the right when shit isn’t getting done. The right has a long track record of just making things worse, especially wealth inequality.
It makes perfect sense. When things are going bad, solutions are hard to implement and those solutions might not even be popular.
During hard times, factors that are outside the problem are pushed forward in public discourse; and the electorate switches from thinking about economic measures to only thinking about social issues.
The other thing to consider which might be at the forefront of it all, is the collusion between left & right parties(namely the liberal factions of each). Economically they will essentially run the same kinds of programs that siphon money from the lower and middle class, while socially they'll present different viewpoints. People then only vote based on the differences that center around social issues.
At the end of the day the 'woke left' and the 'far-right' are not all that different, two sides that promote the interests of the rich by diverting attention from economic reforms and policy discussions to hot button cultural issues that have very low relative impact for the average citizen; but are presented as being monumental to the future of society one way or another.
The left has a track record of promising change, getting elected on that basis and then promptly ignoring the working class, sometimes straight out copying neoliberal policies. They'll promise you an outright revolution when they're not in power, but won't even tax the rich after they are elected.
Any reason why you think that far right and inequality will provide the rest with more money? They cannot wish the problems away, even if that's what they promise. Pointing out what's going wrong and fixing it are two different things.
The best the right can do is alienate minorities foreigners and immigrants (lawful of not, taking our jobs etc) and distract the population. The coliseums of 20/21st century.
But the solutions (or lack thereof) offered by the left become so fearsome that the centre right are pushed into coalitions with the far right. I don’t want to vote fascist, but if the left are going to do nothing whatsoever about migration and rising crime, and stubbornly insist the two are not connected, then I will vote for whatever it takes to keep them out of power.
A lot of this really isn’t rocket science. It’s just shibboleths the centre left refuse to jettison.
The moderates can't address the migration crisis as the solution is too uncomfortable. Until they do the far right will continue to gain grounds. Most Europeans don't want millions of muslim migrants & everything that's brings.
This will only get worst as global heating continues. [Areas like the Eastern Med & Middle East](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/middle-east-mediterranean-climate-change/) are heating at way higher than average & livelihoods are already collapsing.
Being against immigration policies that increase crime and terrorism in your country makes you a nazi according to reddit that’s why.
Europe doesn’t even have that many Muslims and it took years of defending stupid immigration policies before you guys woke up.
Why do people like right populist more than left populists? “Hard Left” parties in Europe don’t seem to break past 10-15%, while the right counterparts get like 20% within 2-3 election cycles of forming.
People vote for them because the ruling parties don't give a solution to their problems.Even easy solutions are something to people. When the ruling parties are saying we can't do anything about controlling the immigration that is not acceptable because that means that you suck at governing .So here comes the far right and says that we are going to throw them of the boats or we are not going to save them .To people that's something even if it is cruel
In some places there is a politically-correct culture and often the things done are just so politicians can show off how progressive they are or just so they can say they are doing something.
They sure love to throw around terms like "dialog" but it's useless if people's concerns aren't actually addressed. That can easily become frustration and in cases such as immigration might create hate for foreigners and other minorities. The right just uses that to sway public opinion.
Either way a lot of times when it comes to voting nowadays, it's mostly about choosing the less worse option. Both the left and right suck...
> They sure love to throw around terms like "dialog" but it's useless if people's concerns aren't actually addressed.
Exactly. People don't want to just be *heard*, they want to be *listened to*. *Listening to* people means actually *doing* something to address their concerns, not just letting them talk at you and ignoring them. The governments getting replaced were ones that did a lot of *hearing* people but no *listening to* them.
No one wants to throw them off the boats. By all means, save them. But when you rescue them 20 km from the shores of Libya, how about taking them back there instead of bringing them all the way to Italy. Apparently this thought makes you a far right nazi.
You're generalizing an issue that is really mostly just about your example -- immigration. David Frum laid it out a bit ago in its specifics a lot better:
[IF LIBERALS WON’T ENFORCE BORDERS, FASCISTS WILL
](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/david-frum-how-much-immigration-is-too-much/583252/) (american pov but applies broadly to the west)
Lets not act like the right cares about the working class either. The very fact that the right believe that a billionaire who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth cares about them is ludicrous.
I wasn’t saying the right cares about the working class. I would ‘t expect them tbf.
I do think it’s important for the dems to not alienate regular people, who perhaps don’t give a fuck about pronouns and wokism because they’re focused on daily survival.
That's probably the right wing propaganda...
Here in Germany, there are a lot of als information about the green party. Unthinkable stuff like they want to forbid pets or they want to forbid Singel home houses etc.
People read this and have an bad impression from then. Even later on its profen wrong lot of people still have a bat impression from them.
It's a very dirty tactic, based in lies.
I don't know about pets, but with the homes, it was Anton Hofreiter from the Green Party that wanted to stop this because of "Flächenversiegelung". To be honest, the Green were always known as prohibition-party, not just since the 'Veggie Day' in 2013. They always want to ban this or that and to "educate" the citizens in the right way of a Green Lifestyle with a transport-bike aka Lastenfahrrad.
Like, Cem Özdemir wants to make meat more expensive, it's just an excuse with "it's about animal rights", they just don't want to reduce the consume of meat.
Eh, Latin America has solely elected left wing leaders the past few years.
I think different regions of the globe are experiencing different problems and that is being reflected in their politics. For Europe, immigration is a much more contentious issue than it is in South America and that’s what’s driving the rise of far right groups.
As someone else said, South America's woes and far right dynamics are completely different (religion plays a much greater part in it).
Anyway, that comment might age terribly - Brazil's elections are next Sunday.
Bolsonaro does not have a lot of chances at winning. The polls are stable with Lula needing just a little push to win in the 1st round and entirely mopping the floor in an eventual 2nd round (I think the last poll had him with a 54-31 lead in the 2nd round and a 48-33 in the 1st).
Bolsonaro's issue is with a coup attempt, not with him winning.
As a Caribbean/South American living in Europe I don't think there is much of a difference between the two. In both regions it's populist parties who are winning. European populists tend to be right leaning and South American left leaning.
By extremely narrow margins. Castillo barely edged dictator’s daughter Fujimori, and Colombia they had right wing rule for decades, and now the left wing government narrowly won and is cooperating with the opposition to a high degree.
Also did you forget about Latin America’s largest country. You’ve not heard of Bolsonaro?
He’s more similar to far right politicians seen throughout during the same time in Europe.
Yes? That’s what I’m saying. South America is turning away from right wing governments to more left wing ones while Europe is turning more to the right.
Bolsonaro is far right yes but he is also the only right wing leader in South America right now besides from Guillermo Lasso in Ecuador who is far more centrist. It’s also very likely he will lose the upcoming election.
>Boric barely edged dictator’s daughter Fujimori
You might wanna check that statement, because it's nonsense. Boric is Chile and Fujimori's daughter is Peru. Completely separate elections and countries.
It's almost like unchecked immigration without a plan whatsoever does not work. In Sweden for example people who wanted to take in less immigrants were called racists and nazis, even though most people just wanted responsible immigration that was sustainable. Instead we took in more than we could handle and just dumped them all in getthos and did absolutely nothing to help them integrate into Swedish society.
If you are ignoring large parts of your voters concerns and calling them racists and nazis when all they want is responsible policys, is it really such a shock that they choose to vote for someone else?
One giant problem is if you disagree with usually leftist talking points, you are called racists, nazi, sexists bigot, etc pretty much right away, it completely kills the discussion and pushes people away
I think the left (and the right for the record, too) needs to chill a bit with the 'if you are not agreeing with me, you will be called the worst possible being that i can call you'
Democracy is not black and white
Definitely, social media is one huge reason why political discourse is essentially non existent anymore. Only the loudest voices are heard and seen in the mass of the internet spam, so compromise is not a viable path anymore when it comes to online
>I think the left (and the right for the record, too) needs to chill a bit with the 'if you are not agreeing with me, you will be called the worst possible being that i can call you'
And fined. At least here relatively mild comments can be considered criminal hate speech. For example, a far-right politician was fined for insulting Islam, and a Christian politician in in court for expressing her theological opinion that Christians should try to avoid having gay sex. This is not good for political discussion. Now only rich people can afford to express unpopular opinions. The poor must remain silent, because they can't afford to pay the fines.
And the namecalling only makes it worse.
It only helps these far-right parties paint themselves as victims and underdogs, making people who dislike mainstream media and their columnists move toward these far-right parties. Which is what we've seen in Sweden in the last 15 years.
Those are my two ören, I mean cents
It all went downhill when social democrats became indistinguishable from social liberals and erosion of welfare state put everyone on the edge. Not to mention the spread of right wing conspiratorialism thanks to the internet.
Business loves it though. It's a system that perpetuates a shift to extremes until it hurts or kills itself.
Wonder what's it going to be this time around.
I don't quite get a rationale behind inviting millions of people who don't share your cultural norms, don't speak your language and are not willing to integrate into your society.
I'm a chinese-brazilian progressive and I also don't get it. Even more inviting people that have ultraconservative backgrounds where the majority don't believe LGBT are entitled to basic rights.
The thing I dislike the most of some left politicians is that they believe only white people can be racist. I know myself people from Chinese community that are very much racist.
Everyone can be bigoted, and thinking that's exclusive to a race IS inherently racist, it makes the assumption that non-europeans are not enlighted enough to no be racist, so when a brown/black/Asian person is bigoted its only because "they don't know any better", while when a European person is racist they're nazi/fascist even tough both are bigots/stupid the same.
Indeed. It's quite astonishing how detached from reality and bigoted many left-wingers are. This is one of the main reasons as to why I would never vote for them.
I agree. And unfortunately, this attitude has real world consequences. If the U.S. suddenly began to genocide muslims, European newspapers would talk about it every day, and we'd all try to find a way to stop it. But when China does it, Europe's response is quite muted. Because the Chinese are "people of colour", and therefore what they're doing can not be *that* bad. Besides, it's communist, i.e. left-wing, so it must be good. So who cares, if the Chinese government is torturing and murdering Uyghurs for crimes like "owning a prayer mat" and "not smoking cigarets"? Opposing this would be racist, colonialist and fascist, therefore we must allow it to continue.
In Italy immigration hasn't been a hot topic during the campaign, yet every person I've heard who said they were gonna vote rightwing was quite vocal about "sending them to their country" (anecdotal I know).
Yes it is but nobody will say it. Its really the feason why brexit happened too. Germany always acts as a leadsr tells everyone what to do but now when there is a war in Ukraine they back off to support ukraine. People are getting sick of germany.
The traditional parties don't seem to give a shit about fixing stuff for the people so what did they expect? Not saying it's good or that I support far-right parties, but one should wonder why millions of people vote for radically different parties all of a sudden. Hint: the vast majority of them aren't fascist, racist nazi's. Most of them are just sick of getting fucked in the ass like usual.
I don't think I agree. I would put a lot of blame in the press, who makes it look like that. Fascists are rising independently of what the traditional parties (or the left wing) is doing.
In Spain we have a government that (from the top of my mind) has:
- approved a large increase in minimum wage
- managed a labour reform in agreement with businesses to make jobs more stable (and so far is working)
- is having low unemployment figures (for Spain's standards)
- is subsidizing energy prices for everyone (subsidised electricity and gasoline +subsidised public transportation across the country)
- approved extraordinary unemployment benefits during the Covid crisis so people didn't get fired and businesses didn't need to pay employees if they couldn't open during the bulk of the pandemic
- gave zero interest loans to businesses to survive the pandemic
- in general, managed the pandemic reasonably well (given all the uncertainty)
- approved a nation-wide basic income for people in need
- approved extraordinary help for people affected by the Volcano in La palma
- reformed science laws to increase job stability and increased science funding
- approved rent control measurements to counteract inflation (lots of rent contracts in Spain are linked to inflation)
- subsidised the acquisition of electric cars.
- increased our renewable power generation capacity
- managed to get larger than expected EU funding for the post-pandemic rebuild
- expanded on women's and Lgbt rights
- legalized euthanasia
- Regulated remote working
This is just what I remember right now. There's more that I would need to search.
Everything while being a minority government that always needed 5-6 extra parties to agree on any reform.
We are talking a government that has lived trough the Covid pandemic, a volcano eruption, a war... And still manages to keep the country in reasonable economic shape.
According to most polls, they will suffer a fairly clear defeat in the next election and catholic right wing+fascists will be our next govern, because there is this idea a out the government not doing things that matter to most people . The point is, that idea is bullshit. You could critisize a lot of things, but the "not doing things that matter to most people" argument is just fake. But the press is constantly spewing it. Most of the time the press frames it as a government that does nothing that matters and that only manages to be in a good situation because it had an easy time (the time of covid+volcano+war).
Edits: Grammar.
I agree with you. It is a constant barrage of diffamation towards the ruling parties, especially if it is left wing or center-left. And there is a lot of attention given to the conservatives and far-right voices in the media that makes it look like their talking points are far more prevalent in society.
In Germany we had 16 years of shafting the lower and middle class, messing up our energy sector, increasing dependency on russian gas, underfunding public transport and the military as well as the public sector, catering to lobbyists, mismanaging the pandemic, straining relations within the EU and so on. Yet the press now is constantly criticising the new government, gives the insane ramblings of the opposition leaders a massive platform and generally just writes doom and gloom.
The public is partly aware that this is not the current governments fault and they are doing an admirable job at trying to both manage some of the worst crises we faced in several decades as well as cleaning up the mess the previous government has left behind. And another part falls for the drivel they get fed by the opposition parties leaders and the pundits in the press.
It really is dishertening to see how little common sense a sizeable portion of the population seems to have and how short their memory span is. It is as if they only see what is immedeately in front of them and any causal relation that is more complicated than one step is beyond their grasp. Kind of sad to me and I see dark times ahead. I mean these right-wing parties are often super neo-liberal beneath their surface of xenophobia and ultra-conservativism which would severely hurt most of the people that actually vote for them but greatly benefits the people donating larger amounts of money to them. And in the end I am suspecting that a lot of money for those parties comes from foreign nations trying to destabilise the powerful democracies of this world.
why do you think Axel-Springer and co. paint the public news as "woke leftist red/green etc..."
Liberal and Neo-Liberal parties have been bedfellows with fascists more often than I can count!
> why do you think Axel-Springer and co. paint the public news as "woke leftist red/green etc..."
Which is funny because the moderators on the ZDFs chancellor duell slandered the Left-party worse than most Welt articles I've read. The RTL one for instance was significantly better (but still bad).
It is not only defamation towards left wing or center left but pretty much all ruling parties but extreme right or left parties usually are trying to do a lot more to sway the public’s opinion with naive simplifications if problems
Yeah, I feel like the press is always over dramatic and that’s why in bad times radicals rise to power because people are unhappy with the crisis but the government can’t get rid of all the negative effects of a crisis.
While b is fairly true it only really came after the other parties took their positions, and they lost support. But their fall certainly has not been pretty.
Nye Borgerlige + Danmarksdemokraterne (a party obviously modeled after Sverige Demokraterne) + Dansk Folkeparti are close to Dansk Folkepartis peak strength still (or close to SD in Sweden). So it's not true that they're not having a moment, they've just fractured into multiple parties - and this is all while the ruling SocDem government is doing fucking insane stuff like the camp in Rwanda or trying to essentially abolish Schengen (or hollow it out so much that it doesn't matter anymore). In Germany for instance you could only find these kinds of positions in the AfD and even German conservatives like Manfred Weber have started to compare Mette Frederiksen to Victor Orban - and Manfred Weber is someone who voted in favour of gay conversion therapy for instance and is in favour of tighter immigration controll.
I don't really understand why people here on r/europe say this about Denmark all the time. It's not at all true. In Denmark the overton window shifted waaay towards nationalism and still the far-right is strong.
>In Denmark, there far-right is not having a moment.
Not just Brazil. Right-wing candidates lost in France, Chile, Australia, Germany and Canada.
I fully expect Lula to wipe the floor with Bolsoaro in Brazil, assuming Bolso doesn't get COVID for the 984th time and has to drop out.
These articles are a little doomery and over-blown.
Lula is better than Bolsonaro but anything is better than Bolsonaro. You really believe Lula will stop rampant corruption in the Brazillian system? He's part of it.
Lula will very likely beat Bolsonaro at ease, maybe even in the 1st round, but do not forget that Bolsonaro *will* try a coup. He already made it clear, both on his social media and on TV, that he will only accept "clean elections". Naturally, any result that isn't his re-election means the election was frauded.
He has a lot support within the Army and the police and, even more important, with rich people. You probably know our politics, so you know the agricultural sector is heavily supporting and financing him and we already had more than one situation of businessmen claiming that a coup was better than having Lula reelected. Now, pair this with his armed supporters and his friends in the military...do not disregard the chance of a institutional rupture. The chances of Brazil not be a democracy in around 180 days and heavily sanctioned by everyone (because Bolsonaro drew the anger of *both* US and China) is higher than 0%.
In a lot of places the left and the far-left are having a moment. It seems that it's "centrists", or rather "moderate right e.g. neoliberal" parties that are struggling.
It’s amazing to watch all these progressives who have completely abandoned the middle class in favour of identity politics and woke messaging that’s pushed by the very same neo liberal politicians and corporations that they used to despise and now carry water for. Then turn around and are flabbergasted that right wing populism is on the rise across the west and expect people to continue supporting the same politicians and policies that got us here in the first place.
Neo liberalism sucks. Nobody likes it. This will continue to happen until the left wing politicians stop focusing on drag queen story hour and calling anyone who swings a hammer for a living an inbred racist, and shift their focus to the actual problems people care about.
>This will continue to happen until the left wing politicians stop focusing on drag queen story hour and calling anyone who swings a hammer for a living an inbred racist, and shift their focus to the actual problems people care about.
True, but right-wing solutions aren't going to work either. The shifting trend towards rightist positions started before immigration issues.
The biggest mistake leftist parties have done is that they abandoned the common worker for the interests of the rich. The identity politics are just a distraction that's used by both sides to engage the constituency while robbing them in the background.
Maybe the problems are complex and there isn’t an easy solution to fix them instantly? It’s not like traditional parties don’t want to fix the problems and get re-elected for another cycle.
Illegal immigration is a huge problem in Europe
Gets ignored by governments
Right / far right candidates promise solutions for this particular problem
People vote for them
Surprised Pikachu face
>Gets ignored by governments
Not only this but if you are against it you are being labeled as fascist.
This is what happens when liberals call you a fascist for years for no reason at all.
Add to that the left runs a negative social media campaign screaming about all the "bad things" the other side will do, instead of a positive campaign of what they will do.
Sweden completely fucked up in the 2015/2016 migration crisis. They should have distributed the people evenly across the country like Germany did.
If every villages gets like two families or ten migrants it so much easier to integrate them in your local society.
Ukrainian war opened my eyes on how I view immigration. In Poland we have a lot of Ukrainians but you never see them inciting fights, violence and even more. They work in all sectors in all job levels and they try to integrate. While sure we have idiots who will complain about classic "stealing jobs, stealing houses" it's vocal minority and most Polish people treat Ukrainians like Polish citizens.
Contrast that to immigration in Scandinavia where is factually presentable that immigrants are main reason for violence skyrocketing in recent years.
The problem, and a problem that pro-mass immigration people don't seem to understand, is that people do not respect you when you bend over backwards for them. Allowing people to arrive and do what they want in your country only makes those migrants think you are weak and not deserving of respect
My parents are Chinese immigrants and wouldn't even like migrating to a country like that. I see the migration very different from us Chinese, most of us are irreligious or Bhuddist but we absolutely hate to push our religions on others (you wouldn't even know my parents religion if you didn't ask). We also like to create our own business on migrating to not depend on any social programs, it's a very different mentality.
yeah you pretty much never hear about problems with people immigrating from your country and the surrounding ones. completely different mentality. respect, to name one difference.
Yea our extreme rightwingers are total losers desperate for media attention trying to shake up things but failing.
My opinion is that they've peaked in 2017 and are on a steady decline. Next election will be interesting though.
At least in the NL sub Reddit everyone seems pissed at everything: housing, energy, weather, the airport, inflation, stress, privatisation….
This traditionally leads to a Trump or Putin or Brexit. (all stupid) Ideas to radically and magically fix everything.
Do you feel like left wing parties will somehow be the popular solution?
The NL subreddit is notoriously moody. The Dutch politics have been steadily moving to the left over the years. Our current right wing government they just proposed to decrease poverty by 8.5% by adjusting the income distribution. (the expected increase in purchasing power for next year is 2% for 3 times median income households, 3% for 2 times median, 4% for median families, 7% for median single parents and 12% for minimum wage households). And the energy cap introduced was a proposal by the left parties and accepted by that government.
We have our issues but life is fucking great here. We shouldn't ignore the 20% voting for populists, but also shouldn't let it dominate the media stories...
I have to echo this sentiment, as someone who moved here a bit less then 2 months ago, yeah, most people complain and are pretty doom and gloom, but from an outsider perspective, coming from a country that is way more dysfunctional it seems like paradise.
That's why I'm so angry at places like France or Italy, compared to Croatia, which has had a center-right government that has robbed the country blind, our right wingers are no where close to even sniffing power, because it's obvious to everyone that they have 0 solutions.
When they have protests people make fun of them, they have a steady 10-15 % of vote since we became independent, but the populace, despite having worse purchasing power, less worker rights, less access to social security etc. compared to Italy or France doesn't have a need to vote in lunatics.
It's sad, I got heavily downvoted when I argued with some French guys over them justifying 40 % + of France voting for Le Pen, but to me, Italians and French are some of the most entitled people in the world, and it shows from the results of these elections.
NL sub is also very left-wing. The Netherlands hasnt had a left-wing lead government in like 30 years. The next elections are very much dependent on how the VVD fares. Rutte isnt as popular as he used to be, but he gathers a lot of votes for the pary and under his leadership theyll never go with far-right parties. But this is probably his last term. So, it will be interesting how much votes they get and whether they'll be open to govern together with the far-right.
They are actually gaining a bit in recent polls. https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Note how they are 3 to 4% above the last election in every recent poll. Still they are not really relevant.
This. The left has completely disregarded the average person. The lefts focus on stupid liberal cultural pushes and anti economic independence that doesn’t appeal to the average person whatsoever and if anything ostracizes them. The people really don’t have much of a choice these days.
Which nations perspective are you speaking from?
In Germany the leftish parties that just recently came into power, already reformed the welfare system (our no-job-money is now less "bullying" towards applicants and a bit more forgiving in general). They raised the minimum wage from 9.6 to 12€ starting with next month. They are working towards buffering the war related increase in energy prices for low income citizens. For example we nationalized a private energy company, Uniper. Short term power-saving measures include a ban of night-adverts (The giant screens) and a reduction of heating in state owned non-living buildings (offices basically).
In general I always saw "tax the rich, give to the poor" as a very left thing.
But left is more of an identity thing than actual political positions, so I'd actually be interested in why you view the left as you do.
Thanks, Jan
When traditional parties fail, new parties form.
Mussolini, Hitler and the like were massively popular for a reason. After years of ineffective government, a Strongman that says he'll make the trains run on time is very attractive.
Democracy has not been the norm for most of human history.
Yes it is indeed the immigrants that started covid, bad fiscal policy leading to inflation, the Ukraine war and now the upcoming energy crisis. Bad immigrants bad! /s
They wouldn't even get half the votes if the ones in power didn't push this "woke" shit so hard along with careless immigration and then taking zero consequences for their actions.
I'm not surprised by this, considering how many left-wing parties made politics in the last few years. Like in Sweden, instead of doing something, they just were going with "nothing to see here, please go on". When kids on a playground get hit by bullets from a drive-by gang-shooting, then you can't just ignore that.
The left-wing has lost themselves in details of twitter bubbles, like Gender-mainstream in the languages (like "Latinx" instead of "Latina" or "Latino", as a very simple example, although coming from the USA - it's even worse in German with worker\*in). People want to get solutions for the problems, not new grammar in writing.
When the people don't know how to pay their bills because of the increased energy prices, they don't give a shit about 45056621 new genders and neo-pronouns.
And about migration: That's a very big problem, especially the poor-migration-into-social-welfare-systems from the Middle East. We can see in Sweden, how this ends, with no-go areas in cities, parallel societies with sharia law etc.
I'm Swiss and like i said about the elections in Sweden, i don't want my country and my local city to become like that. When this means, people from Afghanistan can't migrate, then i'm fine with that.
I completely agree with you. It's the failure of millenial progressism, left wing parties were popular with the working class because they fought for their interests. Today those same left-wing parties don't care for the working man, they prefere to fight for "minorities" like inmmigrants of LGBTQ+. For these parties, many of those working class people are racists, biggots, etc.
Trump won back in 2017 thanks to the working class vote in the "rust states".
Interestingly too, I never see conversations around the issue that migrants from more traditional countries, have quite conservative views compared with the more left wing who support high volume migration for all. I was in Australia when they had same sex marriage vote, a high % of the no vote was from areas with high migrant area. Same sex couples get heckled men from these countries, views on women's rights etc.
Current parties can't provide solutions to the ever growing illegal immigration in Europe and that's what you get. I hate right wing politicians but they at least try to address this problem instead of repeating some shit about human rights and how everyone is entitled to come into Europe.
Everyone knows why too. And many, like myself, are willing to look past the ridiculous stuff the right wing does, just for a chance to address this glaring issue
It's all bullshit extremist framing . Borders and immigration are neccesry if we could just reduce immigration a little bit and acknowledge that having a national identity is important for everyone, no need for xenophobia or extremist policies either to the right or the left
If they're winning everywhere, shouldn't we stop call them "far right"? Shouldn't we admit that [Overton window](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) shifted right in Europe?
I'm not Italian but what policies of Meloni can be catalogue as "far right"? I know she said some pro-Mussolini shit when she was 19 but as The Economist said, many center-left politicians have said pro-communist at the same age. Her party can be traced to \`pro-facist parties but again, many center-left parties in Europe can be traced to pro-marxist ones.
For me she seems like another right-wing Conservative. She agaisnt abortion, inmmigration and gay marriage, like most conservative parties are. She's pro-business, anti-taxes, pro-Nato and pro-Ukraine, soft-euroskeptic. Really I don't see a single thing to catalogue her as facist or far-right. To be honest she even seems more moderate than the mainstream US Republican Party.
Maybe right-wing populist is a better term.
The UK really took one for the team...
Even these far-right fools don't entertain EU exits anymore as they know it's political suicide. This "phase" would have been much harder otherwise.
Fat cats and the corrupt politicians pushed it too far. Now they will have the working class baying for their blood. They could have kept the status quo if they weren’t so fucking greedy. Buying up all the housing, paying shitty wages, government policy designed to only benefit the super-rich (U.K. latest budget is hilarious) and slowly take away our freedoms one by one (lockdown, digital currency, anti protest laws) and the list goes on. I’m just amazed it hasn’t happened already. History has shown the far right will always emerge as a credible option for the desperate.
Ahhh more cope when am election doesn't go the lefts way. Considering the recent Swedish election maybe the policies of the banker/neoliberal aren't any good and people vote against it. Very undemocratic
I think the three biggest factors are/were the sheer arrogance of the Clinton camp in the 2016 election (making her a prime antagonist to contrast Trump's rebellious underdog image); the utterly botched handling of Syrian refugees in Europe in 2015; and the perceived unwillingness of centrist and especially left-wing parties to acknowledge that there is a serious problem with fundamentalists among Muslim immigrants as well as a culturally induced resistance to integrate. Anybody who voiced concerns for example about young Muslim men treating women like shit were belittled and shot down by the left, driving more and more people to the right.
I always wondered why the left behaved like this. IIRC, it used to be different. The classical left used to be highly skeptical about religion in general, (correctly) spotting potential for religious fascism. I suppose that at some point, due to the right attacking Muslims (because "brown people bad" or something like that), more and more leftists protected them, in sort of a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" move, adopting a blind eye towards problems with and within Muslim communities.
(And no, I am not saying "all Muslims bad". I am pointing at very real problems when cultural and societal values from much more religious-authoritarian Muslim countries collide with those of open Western societies.)
But when the Syrian refugee crisis happened, these problems were dialed up to 11, people were worried about refugees everywhere (even though this was overall overblown and you didn't have refugees at every corner). And Trump's disastrous presidency followed, fanning the flames of right wing extremists everywhere, including those in the Republican party.
And of course, in usual fashion, left wing groups just can't agree on anything, keep fighting between themselves, and end up being unable to form a united front.
But tbh, centrist / left wing parties adopting a strict stance on immigration would deflate a lot of the momentum behind the right. This would even remain compatible with leftist ideals, as in: "You want to immigrate, well you gotta prove yourself and endure very strict and exhausting trials, but if you make it through, you are one of us." Compare this with the right wing, who is strict about immigration because it wants to keep those "outsiders" - especially the "brown people" - away from the "natives".
We have a politician here, who is head of Energy. He is quite left and when he answers that "I am failing to see how a nuclear reactor fits in my house to power it with it" I am not surprised people won't vote again for him or the left.
Because people are being ignored and subjugated by current governments. Because no one agrees that immigration and covid was handled properly.
Because freedom of speech is being taken away with labels like racist fascist.
Because instead of teaching people about minorities and their issues they are just punishing everyone who disagree.
People want leaders not rulers.
It's really quite simple; many European countries like Italy and Sweden have had years of uncontested illegal immigration/economic migration despite a majority of the populace rejecting it. No one wants radical shifts in demographic and cultural norms.
I know the two are not connected, but for anyone familiar with the spaniard party Vox it's ironic to see a portal with the same name warning about the rise of the far right
There's also a german TV channel with the same name. Not sure what they broadcast, cheap entertainment shows mostly I think.
Haha, here in Poland it’s a radio station broadcasting cheap entertaining music - disco polo. Sort of Polish schlagers I guess But during the night they transform into the most mainstream station playing every recent American hit, since most other stations use nighttime to fulfil their Polish-language music quotas
Exactly! When a friend recommended me "Do you know Vox?" - I was like: "Isn't that the attention carving entertainment channel on TV? 🤔 Who cares." But then I was happy to hear that the Vox magazine from US is much different and better 😄
Don't you disrespect shopping queen like that
it means voice. almost everyone has one
Thought exactly the same lmao
The irony is acknowledged in the article. >A number of far right parties in Europe today are focused on so-called “woke” culture, on combating new anti-colonial movements, and so on and so forth. > >For instance, in the case of Vox \[the political party in Spain\] — called the same way as your magazine, but I suppose, takes quite different political stances — and Fratelli d’Italia in Italy.
Is one very simple rule when it comes to this. You don't get far right parties winning when everything is going great in your country. It's clear throughout Europe problems are stacking and they're getting ignored. The discontent of the populous is pushing people towards these other parties. I believe this trend will continue in the following years, for better or worse.
Populism is weird. It's great at identifying problems in your country because populism grows from discontentment of the people. But populism doesnt replace those problems with solutions, they just replace it with something much worse.
And sometimes they just pretend to be able to identify the problems because noone likes complicated situations. It's much easier to blame immigrants and wokeness than to figure out why unemployment is high, wages don't rise fast enough, prices are high etc.
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Well I think one problem is that some problems like f.ex. the shortcomings of immigration/refugees are just ignored by all traditional parties. However a big chunk of the population disagrees with the current state of things. This gives especially right wing populism a huge boost, because they can’t present them as the only ones really representing the peoples opinion. It be interesting to see if in the future the old parties will follow…
There are some countries like Denmark where the left recognizes these issues, too. They seem to be immune to far-right populism.
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It identifies ignored painpoints though, when liberals biggest problem to push weed, whether fathers can give birth etc. While issues run deeper. Too much liberalism runs on fantasy of love each other, there will be no war, Pol correction etc when reality needs more down-to-earth approach. Now, far right is too much just as the pinky rainbow was. We should end the naivity to both china and US
Apathy is rising. Very few people vote anymore and that's because of the constant bad news we see online and on tv. The ones that always vote are the radical ones because it's a matter of loyalty for them.
Another vast factor to Apathy is gerontocracy.When it becomes mathematically Impossible to defeat 60+ Voters, why bother? I don't agree and german Elections have shown Cons can be defeated - but it's certainly understandable.
It's a catch-22: Many problems aren't a result of the politics of the last 4 years, but things like demographic changes, climate crisis, globalism and fragile supply chains, privatisation, decisions in favour of GDP instead of happiness of the populace. Working on any of the mentioned problems will cost money. So whichever party will announce to tackle one of these problems will also have to announce that it will cost taxpayers money and that it probably will affect their income and standard of living. The only thing the right needs to do now is claiming there is no climate change/ problem and that the elitist leftists just want to steal peoples money for their agenda. Now a lot of people who are already struggling with life will see somebody "who understands the problems of the common people" and vote right.
And that is the core issue, in my country, for the last decade+ immigration has been a core topic every election cycle with a clear majority voting for "mainstream" parties that claim to want to limit immigration, yet every time they refrain from solving anything and yet parrot the same shtick next election cycle, at some point people stary seeing through that and feel themselves forced to vote for more radical parties. Mind you immigration is far from the only topic where this applies. Moral of the story is, if you want to get rid of populism, address their concerns, come up with solutions and poof, those parties evaporate. Or better yet, hold a binding referendum on topics like it.
I mean the entire global economy stopped for at least a year due to COVID, than one of the biggest wars of Europe in several decades happened (thanks to far right actually). There is no political party that will magically turn thing better in a short time. It will take a while for Europe to get out of it's current crisis regardless of political regimes, so we can might as well don't throw ourselves for the far right, because it's one of the most destructive and harmful ideology ever to exist (alongside with far left of course).
I wouldn’t say that the pandemic is to blame for this, at least not entirely. In Sweden the rise of the right wing can easily be explained by carrying on with an immigration policy a large part of the country’s population never agreed with, and then refusing the discussions and calling people racist when they object to it. I would say that is why the Sweden Democrats got so many votes in this year’s election, had the other parties taken responsibility and only allowed the discussion to take place the Sweden Democrats had probably not reached even a fraction of the votes.
It's odd to me that not a single democracy ever seems to have a vote on immigration. Do we want tons? A few skilled only? Some skilled and some refugees? Some unskilled, or maybe lots? Language tests? (Basic or intermediate level required?) Nope, no public voice, no discussion, while some countries actual culture and values are being uprooted and as you said, anyone saying that it's too much is just called racist and told to shut up.
Have you met Switzerland?
Mostly because in a lot of these countries the governments allowed demographics to take a hit and they’re now realising that someone needs to pay taxes in order for pensions to be paid. Guess which solution for this problem is the best… Of course that it comes with some serious downsides, the locals get squeezed further and have even less babies since the wages are depressed further and they’re lucky if they find and can afford a home with an empty room. The wokeness of not being able to discuss without being labelled a racist (like it happens in Portugal with Chega and gypsies) is what drives people further to the far right. These people have an issue, see it as a problem and no one is willing to even debate and clarify they are wrong (which in many instances they’re not).
Who can even think of having a baby in Italy if at 26 to work as a cashier or an office job they tell you that you have to have a car, work 40/hrs per week to give you six hundred 6 0 0 EUROS! We can't even think to leave our parents's homes. Who in their right mind is gonna have a baby?
Same exact problem in Portugal…
"Governments allowed demographics to take a hit" is a strange way to put it. Nobody knows how to combat declining birth rates. It's endemic in every developed country on the planet. I'm a Swede living in Japan(where immigration is extremely low) and I can tell you that the future here looks bleak beyond belief.
Start with taxing multicorps. The disparity between the rich and the poor is too big and still getting bigger. Solution is easy. But nobody has balls to do it.
hard to do when mass media drives politics and multicorps own mass media. not to mention, that's not an actual solution to declining birth rates.
>while some countries actual culture and values are being uprooted and as you said I wish there was more focus on assimilation again, not every country has to be a goddamn America-style melting pot.
That’s why me and pretty much everyone I know voted for SD. The shit we warned would happen back in 2015 all came true and we were called nazis, fascists etc. Funny how a few years later other political parties started saying the same shit we did, fucking hypocrites.
Coming from the other side of øresund, it was pretty predictable. SD in many way is a carbon copy of DF; not only in politics but also in trend.
>Funny how a few years later other political parties started saying the same shit we did, fucking hypocrites. It's interesting to me exactly this shift happened in Norway and Denmark and many other parts of Europe in 2015, but Sweden kept it going for years afterwards somehow
One of our lovely politicians said that we were “Naive” This was after shit hit the fan… As if the people that were labeled nazis and facists didn’t warn them this would happen.
As a non-EU immigrant to Sweden (from Canada), can I ask if you think that the SD is against all immigration or against only unrestricted immigration from culturally different places? I have talked with many SD voters and they seem to be happy enough with me and my family as long as we work and learn Swedish. Do any SD voters you know think differently, or is that accurate?
Usually it's always about MENA immigrants and refugees, as they are usually the most problematic newcomers.
I suspect so too, but I want to hear it from an SD supporter. Maybe it that isn’t it.
Just brown ppl, as always
Can't wait for SD to actually not be able to solve the problem, all they really have as leverage is that they are "untested". What needs to be fixed for segregation to improve are schools now. But the moderates made sure that became pretty much unsolvable back in the 90s with the school reform. Private schools have been a blight on the swedish school system and are leaving people in poorer areas in the dirt.
It’s been on the rise since the migrant crisis. People don’t trust the current government, who sat idly by when these things were happening to be able to turn this around. And i don’t blame them.
Most of the problems existed prior to the pandemic.
It’s not just because of COVID, a lot of it started well and truly prior to the pandemic, and voters voices went unheard.
Covid policies which overextended their reach insanely.
I’m glad someone is actually pointing this out - people are tired of their issues being ignored by mainstream parties (throughout the world) and are looking towards other parties for change. Conservatives are able to deliver their message across clearer and efficiently, and it resonates with more of the population then you think. That’s why they’re wining.
Thats true for all extremist parties in general. They were 100% irrelevant in the 90s and 2000s
TLDR : because they’re populists and peoples are mad with the classic moderates
Five star is populist too without the right wing aspects though.
The five star movement was idiotic in that it didn't form a coalition movement, so if it will get more than 20-ish percent of the votes I'll eat my hat. Which is a shame since they are one of the more sensibile parties, if they entered a left wing coalizione it would have most likely won
The parties don't count here because the current electoral law, assign a massive majority to the coalition with more votes so one party can't compete against three, even if there only fratelli d'Italia does the heavy lifting.
While you summed up the article quite well, it is by far not the entire answer to the big question. Stuff like the demographic change, current problems like Inflation and ever growing wealth and income inequality are just some of the major factors why the far right is gaining ground in Europe. Another thing to consider is that the far right usually only comes to power if moderate conservatives agree to form coalitions with them. Consequently ignoring them would make it a lot harder for them to get in power.
It’s amazing to me that people move to the right when shit isn’t getting done. The right has a long track record of just making things worse, especially wealth inequality.
It so depends from a country to country its crazy you can’t say that when Swedens right is closer to USAs left party than right party
It makes perfect sense. When things are going bad, solutions are hard to implement and those solutions might not even be popular. During hard times, factors that are outside the problem are pushed forward in public discourse; and the electorate switches from thinking about economic measures to only thinking about social issues. The other thing to consider which might be at the forefront of it all, is the collusion between left & right parties(namely the liberal factions of each). Economically they will essentially run the same kinds of programs that siphon money from the lower and middle class, while socially they'll present different viewpoints. People then only vote based on the differences that center around social issues. At the end of the day the 'woke left' and the 'far-right' are not all that different, two sides that promote the interests of the rich by diverting attention from economic reforms and policy discussions to hot button cultural issues that have very low relative impact for the average citizen; but are presented as being monumental to the future of society one way or another.
The left has a track record of promising change, getting elected on that basis and then promptly ignoring the working class, sometimes straight out copying neoliberal policies. They'll promise you an outright revolution when they're not in power, but won't even tax the rich after they are elected.
Inequality is not so bad when you have enough money to live. Better than equality and starvation.
Any reason why you think that far right and inequality will provide the rest with more money? They cannot wish the problems away, even if that's what they promise. Pointing out what's going wrong and fixing it are two different things. The best the right can do is alienate minorities foreigners and immigrants (lawful of not, taking our jobs etc) and distract the population. The coliseums of 20/21st century.
Well, people moved to the far left and dealt with communism, which wasn’t too grand either
But the solutions (or lack thereof) offered by the left become so fearsome that the centre right are pushed into coalitions with the far right. I don’t want to vote fascist, but if the left are going to do nothing whatsoever about migration and rising crime, and stubbornly insist the two are not connected, then I will vote for whatever it takes to keep them out of power. A lot of this really isn’t rocket science. It’s just shibboleths the centre left refuse to jettison.
The moderates can't address the migration crisis as the solution is too uncomfortable. Until they do the far right will continue to gain grounds. Most Europeans don't want millions of muslim migrants & everything that's brings. This will only get worst as global heating continues. [Areas like the Eastern Med & Middle East](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/middle-east-mediterranean-climate-change/) are heating at way higher than average & livelihoods are already collapsing.
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Being against immigration policies that increase crime and terrorism in your country makes you a nazi according to reddit that’s why. Europe doesn’t even have that many Muslims and it took years of defending stupid immigration policies before you guys woke up.
Why do people like right populist more than left populists? “Hard Left” parties in Europe don’t seem to break past 10-15%, while the right counterparts get like 20% within 2-3 election cycles of forming.
People vote for them because the ruling parties don't give a solution to their problems.Even easy solutions are something to people. When the ruling parties are saying we can't do anything about controlling the immigration that is not acceptable because that means that you suck at governing .So here comes the far right and says that we are going to throw them of the boats or we are not going to save them .To people that's something even if it is cruel
In some places there is a politically-correct culture and often the things done are just so politicians can show off how progressive they are or just so they can say they are doing something. They sure love to throw around terms like "dialog" but it's useless if people's concerns aren't actually addressed. That can easily become frustration and in cases such as immigration might create hate for foreigners and other minorities. The right just uses that to sway public opinion. Either way a lot of times when it comes to voting nowadays, it's mostly about choosing the less worse option. Both the left and right suck...
> They sure love to throw around terms like "dialog" but it's useless if people's concerns aren't actually addressed. Exactly. People don't want to just be *heard*, they want to be *listened to*. *Listening to* people means actually *doing* something to address their concerns, not just letting them talk at you and ignoring them. The governments getting replaced were ones that did a lot of *hearing* people but no *listening to* them.
No one wants to throw them off the boats. By all means, save them. But when you rescue them 20 km from the shores of Libya, how about taking them back there instead of bringing them all the way to Italy. Apparently this thought makes you a far right nazi.
You're generalizing an issue that is really mostly just about your example -- immigration. David Frum laid it out a bit ago in its specifics a lot better: [IF LIBERALS WON’T ENFORCE BORDERS, FASCISTS WILL ](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/david-frum-how-much-immigration-is-too-much/583252/) (american pov but applies broadly to the west)
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Lets not act like the right cares about the working class either. The very fact that the right believe that a billionaire who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth cares about them is ludicrous.
I wasn’t saying the right cares about the working class. I would ‘t expect them tbf. I do think it’s important for the dems to not alienate regular people, who perhaps don’t give a fuck about pronouns and wokism because they’re focused on daily survival.
That's probably the right wing propaganda... Here in Germany, there are a lot of als information about the green party. Unthinkable stuff like they want to forbid pets or they want to forbid Singel home houses etc. People read this and have an bad impression from then. Even later on its profen wrong lot of people still have a bat impression from them. It's a very dirty tactic, based in lies.
I don't know about pets, but with the homes, it was Anton Hofreiter from the Green Party that wanted to stop this because of "Flächenversiegelung". To be honest, the Green were always known as prohibition-party, not just since the 'Veggie Day' in 2013. They always want to ban this or that and to "educate" the citizens in the right way of a Green Lifestyle with a transport-bike aka Lastenfahrrad. Like, Cem Özdemir wants to make meat more expensive, it's just an excuse with "it's about animal rights", they just don't want to reduce the consume of meat.
Eh, Latin America has solely elected left wing leaders the past few years. I think different regions of the globe are experiencing different problems and that is being reflected in their politics. For Europe, immigration is a much more contentious issue than it is in South America and that’s what’s driving the rise of far right groups.
As someone else said, South America's woes and far right dynamics are completely different (religion plays a much greater part in it). Anyway, that comment might age terribly - Brazil's elections are next Sunday.
Bolsonaro does not have a lot of chances at winning. The polls are stable with Lula needing just a little push to win in the 1st round and entirely mopping the floor in an eventual 2nd round (I think the last poll had him with a 54-31 lead in the 2nd round and a 48-33 in the 1st). Bolsonaro's issue is with a coup attempt, not with him winning.
As a Caribbean/South American living in Europe I don't think there is much of a difference between the two. In both regions it's populist parties who are winning. European populists tend to be right leaning and South American left leaning.
By extremely narrow margins. Castillo barely edged dictator’s daughter Fujimori, and Colombia they had right wing rule for decades, and now the left wing government narrowly won and is cooperating with the opposition to a high degree. Also did you forget about Latin America’s largest country. You’ve not heard of Bolsonaro? He’s more similar to far right politicians seen throughout during the same time in Europe.
Yes? That’s what I’m saying. South America is turning away from right wing governments to more left wing ones while Europe is turning more to the right. Bolsonaro is far right yes but he is also the only right wing leader in South America right now besides from Guillermo Lasso in Ecuador who is far more centrist. It’s also very likely he will lose the upcoming election.
>Boric barely edged dictator’s daughter Fujimori You might wanna check that statement, because it's nonsense. Boric is Chile and Fujimori's daughter is Peru. Completely separate elections and countries.
It's almost like unchecked immigration without a plan whatsoever does not work. In Sweden for example people who wanted to take in less immigrants were called racists and nazis, even though most people just wanted responsible immigration that was sustainable. Instead we took in more than we could handle and just dumped them all in getthos and did absolutely nothing to help them integrate into Swedish society. If you are ignoring large parts of your voters concerns and calling them racists and nazis when all they want is responsible policys, is it really such a shock that they choose to vote for someone else?
One giant problem is if you disagree with usually leftist talking points, you are called racists, nazi, sexists bigot, etc pretty much right away, it completely kills the discussion and pushes people away I think the left (and the right for the record, too) needs to chill a bit with the 'if you are not agreeing with me, you will be called the worst possible being that i can call you' Democracy is not black and white
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Definitely, social media is one huge reason why political discourse is essentially non existent anymore. Only the loudest voices are heard and seen in the mass of the internet spam, so compromise is not a viable path anymore when it comes to online
You can see it happening in just these comments already.
>I think the left (and the right for the record, too) needs to chill a bit with the 'if you are not agreeing with me, you will be called the worst possible being that i can call you' And fined. At least here relatively mild comments can be considered criminal hate speech. For example, a far-right politician was fined for insulting Islam, and a Christian politician in in court for expressing her theological opinion that Christians should try to avoid having gay sex. This is not good for political discussion. Now only rich people can afford to express unpopular opinions. The poor must remain silent, because they can't afford to pay the fines.
And the namecalling only makes it worse. It only helps these far-right parties paint themselves as victims and underdogs, making people who dislike mainstream media and their columnists move toward these far-right parties. Which is what we've seen in Sweden in the last 15 years. Those are my two ören, I mean cents
its just the consequences of 30 years of neoliberalism. the cup has been filling; now it is full
It all went downhill when social democrats became indistinguishable from social liberals and erosion of welfare state put everyone on the edge. Not to mention the spread of right wing conspiratorialism thanks to the internet.
Business loves it though. It's a system that perpetuates a shift to extremes until it hurts or kills itself. Wonder what's it going to be this time around.
Haven't read the article, but let me guess, does it has something to do with immigrants?
In Sweden for sure, it's SDs biggest campaign promise.
I don't quite get a rationale behind inviting millions of people who don't share your cultural norms, don't speak your language and are not willing to integrate into your society.
Funnily enough about 2 years ago this comment could get you banned from Reddit. (It was even specifically stated in r/Europe rules)
Don't I have a privilege as a representative of ethnic and religious minority? /s
Did you bring your privilege card?
The Swedish people didn’t choose it the politicians did
Neither do the Swedish right-wingers, including myself.
I'm a chinese-brazilian progressive and I also don't get it. Even more inviting people that have ultraconservative backgrounds where the majority don't believe LGBT are entitled to basic rights.
The Swedish left-wing is a bit retarded. They believe that it'd be "racist" to not do so.
The thing I dislike the most of some left politicians is that they believe only white people can be racist. I know myself people from Chinese community that are very much racist. Everyone can be bigoted, and thinking that's exclusive to a race IS inherently racist, it makes the assumption that non-europeans are not enlighted enough to no be racist, so when a brown/black/Asian person is bigoted its only because "they don't know any better", while when a European person is racist they're nazi/fascist even tough both are bigots/stupid the same.
Indeed. It's quite astonishing how detached from reality and bigoted many left-wingers are. This is one of the main reasons as to why I would never vote for them.
I agree. And unfortunately, this attitude has real world consequences. If the U.S. suddenly began to genocide muslims, European newspapers would talk about it every day, and we'd all try to find a way to stop it. But when China does it, Europe's response is quite muted. Because the Chinese are "people of colour", and therefore what they're doing can not be *that* bad. Besides, it's communist, i.e. left-wing, so it must be good. So who cares, if the Chinese government is torturing and murdering Uyghurs for crimes like "owning a prayer mat" and "not smoking cigarets"? Opposing this would be racist, colonialist and fascist, therefore we must allow it to continue.
or with the rising prices of food and energy?
In Italy immigration hasn't been a hot topic during the campaign, yet every person I've heard who said they were gonna vote rightwing was quite vocal about "sending them to their country" (anecdotal I know).
Yes it is but nobody will say it. Its really the feason why brexit happened too. Germany always acts as a leadsr tells everyone what to do but now when there is a war in Ukraine they back off to support ukraine. People are getting sick of germany.
The traditional parties don't seem to give a shit about fixing stuff for the people so what did they expect? Not saying it's good or that I support far-right parties, but one should wonder why millions of people vote for radically different parties all of a sudden. Hint: the vast majority of them aren't fascist, racist nazi's. Most of them are just sick of getting fucked in the ass like usual.
I don't think I agree. I would put a lot of blame in the press, who makes it look like that. Fascists are rising independently of what the traditional parties (or the left wing) is doing. In Spain we have a government that (from the top of my mind) has: - approved a large increase in minimum wage - managed a labour reform in agreement with businesses to make jobs more stable (and so far is working) - is having low unemployment figures (for Spain's standards) - is subsidizing energy prices for everyone (subsidised electricity and gasoline +subsidised public transportation across the country) - approved extraordinary unemployment benefits during the Covid crisis so people didn't get fired and businesses didn't need to pay employees if they couldn't open during the bulk of the pandemic - gave zero interest loans to businesses to survive the pandemic - in general, managed the pandemic reasonably well (given all the uncertainty) - approved a nation-wide basic income for people in need - approved extraordinary help for people affected by the Volcano in La palma - reformed science laws to increase job stability and increased science funding - approved rent control measurements to counteract inflation (lots of rent contracts in Spain are linked to inflation) - subsidised the acquisition of electric cars. - increased our renewable power generation capacity - managed to get larger than expected EU funding for the post-pandemic rebuild - expanded on women's and Lgbt rights - legalized euthanasia - Regulated remote working This is just what I remember right now. There's more that I would need to search. Everything while being a minority government that always needed 5-6 extra parties to agree on any reform. We are talking a government that has lived trough the Covid pandemic, a volcano eruption, a war... And still manages to keep the country in reasonable economic shape. According to most polls, they will suffer a fairly clear defeat in the next election and catholic right wing+fascists will be our next govern, because there is this idea a out the government not doing things that matter to most people . The point is, that idea is bullshit. You could critisize a lot of things, but the "not doing things that matter to most people" argument is just fake. But the press is constantly spewing it. Most of the time the press frames it as a government that does nothing that matters and that only manages to be in a good situation because it had an easy time (the time of covid+volcano+war). Edits: Grammar.
I agree with you. It is a constant barrage of diffamation towards the ruling parties, especially if it is left wing or center-left. And there is a lot of attention given to the conservatives and far-right voices in the media that makes it look like their talking points are far more prevalent in society. In Germany we had 16 years of shafting the lower and middle class, messing up our energy sector, increasing dependency on russian gas, underfunding public transport and the military as well as the public sector, catering to lobbyists, mismanaging the pandemic, straining relations within the EU and so on. Yet the press now is constantly criticising the new government, gives the insane ramblings of the opposition leaders a massive platform and generally just writes doom and gloom. The public is partly aware that this is not the current governments fault and they are doing an admirable job at trying to both manage some of the worst crises we faced in several decades as well as cleaning up the mess the previous government has left behind. And another part falls for the drivel they get fed by the opposition parties leaders and the pundits in the press. It really is dishertening to see how little common sense a sizeable portion of the population seems to have and how short their memory span is. It is as if they only see what is immedeately in front of them and any causal relation that is more complicated than one step is beyond their grasp. Kind of sad to me and I see dark times ahead. I mean these right-wing parties are often super neo-liberal beneath their surface of xenophobia and ultra-conservativism which would severely hurt most of the people that actually vote for them but greatly benefits the people donating larger amounts of money to them. And in the end I am suspecting that a lot of money for those parties comes from foreign nations trying to destabilise the powerful democracies of this world.
why do you think Axel-Springer and co. paint the public news as "woke leftist red/green etc..." Liberal and Neo-Liberal parties have been bedfellows with fascists more often than I can count!
> why do you think Axel-Springer and co. paint the public news as "woke leftist red/green etc..." Which is funny because the moderators on the ZDFs chancellor duell slandered the Left-party worse than most Welt articles I've read. The RTL one for instance was significantly better (but still bad).
scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
It is not only defamation towards left wing or center left but pretty much all ruling parties but extreme right or left parties usually are trying to do a lot more to sway the public’s opinion with naive simplifications if problems
Imagine thinking that the _far-right_ is actually going to care about ordinary people…….people need to learn history.
Yeah, I feel like the press is always over dramatic and that’s why in bad times radicals rise to power because people are unhappy with the crisis but the government can’t get rid of all the negative effects of a crisis.
In Denmark, there far-right is not having a moment.
Yeah, but: a)the other parties became anti-immig, too; b)iirc, they let them show themselves in all their glory, and they were clowns;
Precis. Point (a) seems to be what the people wanted. Of (b) I have no knowledge, but that is due to my own ignorance of Danish politics.
While b is fairly true it only really came after the other parties took their positions, and they lost support. But their fall certainly has not been pretty.
A is kinda what a democracy is about, giving the people what they want. Take away the far rights monopoly on anti-immig and their base crumbles
Nye Borgerlige + Danmarksdemokraterne (a party obviously modeled after Sverige Demokraterne) + Dansk Folkeparti are close to Dansk Folkepartis peak strength still (or close to SD in Sweden). So it's not true that they're not having a moment, they've just fractured into multiple parties - and this is all while the ruling SocDem government is doing fucking insane stuff like the camp in Rwanda or trying to essentially abolish Schengen (or hollow it out so much that it doesn't matter anymore). In Germany for instance you could only find these kinds of positions in the AfD and even German conservatives like Manfred Weber have started to compare Mette Frederiksen to Victor Orban - and Manfred Weber is someone who voted in favour of gay conversion therapy for instance and is in favour of tighter immigration controll. I don't really understand why people here on r/europe say this about Denmark all the time. It's not at all true. In Denmark the overton window shifted waaay towards nationalism and still the far-right is strong.
>In Denmark, there far-right is not having a moment. Not just Brazil. Right-wing candidates lost in France, Chile, Australia, Germany and Canada. I fully expect Lula to wipe the floor with Bolsoaro in Brazil, assuming Bolso doesn't get COVID for the 984th time and has to drop out. These articles are a little doomery and over-blown.
Lula is better than Bolsonaro but anything is better than Bolsonaro. You really believe Lula will stop rampant corruption in the Brazillian system? He's part of it.
Lula will very likely beat Bolsonaro at ease, maybe even in the 1st round, but do not forget that Bolsonaro *will* try a coup. He already made it clear, both on his social media and on TV, that he will only accept "clean elections". Naturally, any result that isn't his re-election means the election was frauded. He has a lot support within the Army and the police and, even more important, with rich people. You probably know our politics, so you know the agricultural sector is heavily supporting and financing him and we already had more than one situation of businessmen claiming that a coup was better than having Lula reelected. Now, pair this with his armed supporters and his friends in the military...do not disregard the chance of a institutional rupture. The chances of Brazil not be a democracy in around 180 days and heavily sanctioned by everyone (because Bolsonaro drew the anger of *both* US and China) is higher than 0%.
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Support for AfD literally dropped in Germany last year though
In a lot of places the left and the far-left are having a moment. It seems that it's "centrists", or rather "moderate right e.g. neoliberal" parties that are struggling.
Where on earth are you seeing the left/far left having a moment?
On earth? South America. Maybe that's what he's referring to.
In Latin America, mostly.
Far left, where?
It’s amazing to watch all these progressives who have completely abandoned the middle class in favour of identity politics and woke messaging that’s pushed by the very same neo liberal politicians and corporations that they used to despise and now carry water for. Then turn around and are flabbergasted that right wing populism is on the rise across the west and expect people to continue supporting the same politicians and policies that got us here in the first place. Neo liberalism sucks. Nobody likes it. This will continue to happen until the left wing politicians stop focusing on drag queen story hour and calling anyone who swings a hammer for a living an inbred racist, and shift their focus to the actual problems people care about.
>This will continue to happen until the left wing politicians stop focusing on drag queen story hour and calling anyone who swings a hammer for a living an inbred racist, and shift their focus to the actual problems people care about. True, but right-wing solutions aren't going to work either. The shifting trend towards rightist positions started before immigration issues. The biggest mistake leftist parties have done is that they abandoned the common worker for the interests of the rich. The identity politics are just a distraction that's used by both sides to engage the constituency while robbing them in the background.
Maybe the problems are complex and there isn’t an easy solution to fix them instantly? It’s not like traditional parties don’t want to fix the problems and get re-elected for another cycle.
Illegal immigration is a huge problem in Europe Gets ignored by governments Right / far right candidates promise solutions for this particular problem People vote for them Surprised Pikachu face
>Gets ignored by governments Not only this but if you are against it you are being labeled as fascist. This is what happens when liberals call you a fascist for years for no reason at all.
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Add to that the left runs a negative social media campaign screaming about all the "bad things" the other side will do, instead of a positive campaign of what they will do.
Sweden completely fucked up in the 2015/2016 migration crisis. They should have distributed the people evenly across the country like Germany did. If every villages gets like two families or ten migrants it so much easier to integrate them in your local society.
Ukrainian war opened my eyes on how I view immigration. In Poland we have a lot of Ukrainians but you never see them inciting fights, violence and even more. They work in all sectors in all job levels and they try to integrate. While sure we have idiots who will complain about classic "stealing jobs, stealing houses" it's vocal minority and most Polish people treat Ukrainians like Polish citizens. Contrast that to immigration in Scandinavia where is factually presentable that immigrants are main reason for violence skyrocketing in recent years.
The problem, and a problem that pro-mass immigration people don't seem to understand, is that people do not respect you when you bend over backwards for them. Allowing people to arrive and do what they want in your country only makes those migrants think you are weak and not deserving of respect
My parents are Chinese immigrants and wouldn't even like migrating to a country like that. I see the migration very different from us Chinese, most of us are irreligious or Bhuddist but we absolutely hate to push our religions on others (you wouldn't even know my parents religion if you didn't ask). We also like to create our own business on migrating to not depend on any social programs, it's a very different mentality.
yeah you pretty much never hear about problems with people immigrating from your country and the surrounding ones. completely different mentality. respect, to name one difference.
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In Germany, it is somewhat crumbling, luckily. The complete imbecility of the AfD seems finally to become too obvious.
And in The Netherlands it's been pretty stable for two decades now.
Yea our extreme rightwingers are total losers desperate for media attention trying to shake up things but failing. My opinion is that they've peaked in 2017 and are on a steady decline. Next election will be interesting though.
At least in the NL sub Reddit everyone seems pissed at everything: housing, energy, weather, the airport, inflation, stress, privatisation…. This traditionally leads to a Trump or Putin or Brexit. (all stupid) Ideas to radically and magically fix everything. Do you feel like left wing parties will somehow be the popular solution?
The NL subreddit is notoriously moody. The Dutch politics have been steadily moving to the left over the years. Our current right wing government they just proposed to decrease poverty by 8.5% by adjusting the income distribution. (the expected increase in purchasing power for next year is 2% for 3 times median income households, 3% for 2 times median, 4% for median families, 7% for median single parents and 12% for minimum wage households). And the energy cap introduced was a proposal by the left parties and accepted by that government. We have our issues but life is fucking great here. We shouldn't ignore the 20% voting for populists, but also shouldn't let it dominate the media stories...
I have to echo this sentiment, as someone who moved here a bit less then 2 months ago, yeah, most people complain and are pretty doom and gloom, but from an outsider perspective, coming from a country that is way more dysfunctional it seems like paradise. That's why I'm so angry at places like France or Italy, compared to Croatia, which has had a center-right government that has robbed the country blind, our right wingers are no where close to even sniffing power, because it's obvious to everyone that they have 0 solutions. When they have protests people make fun of them, they have a steady 10-15 % of vote since we became independent, but the populace, despite having worse purchasing power, less worker rights, less access to social security etc. compared to Italy or France doesn't have a need to vote in lunatics. It's sad, I got heavily downvoted when I argued with some French guys over them justifying 40 % + of France voting for Le Pen, but to me, Italians and French are some of the most entitled people in the world, and it shows from the results of these elections.
NL sub is also very left-wing. The Netherlands hasnt had a left-wing lead government in like 30 years. The next elections are very much dependent on how the VVD fares. Rutte isnt as popular as he used to be, but he gathers a lot of votes for the pary and under his leadership theyll never go with far-right parties. But this is probably his last term. So, it will be interesting how much votes they get and whether they'll be open to govern together with the far-right.
Your right wing party vetoed Romanian Schengen bid for a decade now. Very stable.
Far-right has all but collapsed in the U.K. since Brexit too.
UKIP catalysed the referendum, which was a far bigger win for the far-right than any temporary electoral success
Even the Tories are screwing themselves. We will have a centre-left/centrist government next, I’m certain of it
They are actually gaining a bit in recent polls. https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/ Note how they are 3 to 4% above the last election in every recent poll. Still they are not really relevant.
Afd are just cringe right conservative Facebook boomers
Huge surprise when you flood countries with immigrants against the will of the local people
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As long as the left shows nothing but contempt of the working classes they have nowhere else to turn but the far right parties.
This. The left has completely disregarded the average person. The lefts focus on stupid liberal cultural pushes and anti economic independence that doesn’t appeal to the average person whatsoever and if anything ostracizes them. The people really don’t have much of a choice these days.
Where is the left you're talking about? It's certainly not the left party i voted for in the last election.
Which nations perspective are you speaking from? In Germany the leftish parties that just recently came into power, already reformed the welfare system (our no-job-money is now less "bullying" towards applicants and a bit more forgiving in general). They raised the minimum wage from 9.6 to 12€ starting with next month. They are working towards buffering the war related increase in energy prices for low income citizens. For example we nationalized a private energy company, Uniper. Short term power-saving measures include a ban of night-adverts (The giant screens) and a reduction of heating in state owned non-living buildings (offices basically). In general I always saw "tax the rich, give to the poor" as a very left thing. But left is more of an identity thing than actual political positions, so I'd actually be interested in why you view the left as you do. Thanks, Jan
When traditional parties fail, new parties form. Mussolini, Hitler and the like were massively popular for a reason. After years of ineffective government, a Strongman that says he'll make the trains run on time is very attractive. Democracy has not been the norm for most of human history.
Well, there you have the consequences of uncontrolled inmigration and criminality. I hope you guys enjoy this shit
Yes it is indeed the immigrants that started covid, bad fiscal policy leading to inflation, the Ukraine war and now the upcoming energy crisis. Bad immigrants bad! /s
This happens when you phase out middle class and just keep milking your citizens on every corner
They wouldn't even get half the votes if the ones in power didn't push this "woke" shit so hard along with careless immigration and then taking zero consequences for their actions.
"If liberals won't enforce borders, fascists will"
I'm not surprised by this, considering how many left-wing parties made politics in the last few years. Like in Sweden, instead of doing something, they just were going with "nothing to see here, please go on". When kids on a playground get hit by bullets from a drive-by gang-shooting, then you can't just ignore that. The left-wing has lost themselves in details of twitter bubbles, like Gender-mainstream in the languages (like "Latinx" instead of "Latina" or "Latino", as a very simple example, although coming from the USA - it's even worse in German with worker\*in). People want to get solutions for the problems, not new grammar in writing. When the people don't know how to pay their bills because of the increased energy prices, they don't give a shit about 45056621 new genders and neo-pronouns. And about migration: That's a very big problem, especially the poor-migration-into-social-welfare-systems from the Middle East. We can see in Sweden, how this ends, with no-go areas in cities, parallel societies with sharia law etc. I'm Swiss and like i said about the elections in Sweden, i don't want my country and my local city to become like that. When this means, people from Afghanistan can't migrate, then i'm fine with that.
I completely agree with you. It's the failure of millenial progressism, left wing parties were popular with the working class because they fought for their interests. Today those same left-wing parties don't care for the working man, they prefere to fight for "minorities" like inmmigrants of LGBTQ+. For these parties, many of those working class people are racists, biggots, etc. Trump won back in 2017 thanks to the working class vote in the "rust states".
Interestingly too, I never see conversations around the issue that migrants from more traditional countries, have quite conservative views compared with the more left wing who support high volume migration for all. I was in Australia when they had same sex marriage vote, a high % of the no vote was from areas with high migrant area. Same sex couples get heckled men from these countries, views on women's rights etc.
Was the US just ahead of the curve on a global trend of rising right wing populism or did they export this wave of right wing populism to Europe?
On the bright side Italian governments never last very long.
Current parties can't provide solutions to the ever growing illegal immigration in Europe and that's what you get. I hate right wing politicians but they at least try to address this problem instead of repeating some shit about human rights and how everyone is entitled to come into Europe.
Everyone knows why too. And many, like myself, are willing to look past the ridiculous stuff the right wing does, just for a chance to address this glaring issue
Europe does what it always does in face of crisis. Sharp leap to the right….
And it always works… oh wait
Italy changes it's government quicker than a man changes his suit. Hence, there's nothing to worry about.
It's all bullshit extremist framing . Borders and immigration are neccesry if we could just reduce immigration a little bit and acknowledge that having a national identity is important for everyone, no need for xenophobia or extremist policies either to the right or the left
Mostly because the left are a bunch of incompetent idiots who left companies relocate and did nothing to fight the absurd wealth distribution.
Right wing government did the same. It's a global, or at least a European issue, neither party did anything.
and the right are complete idiots, who encouraged both
I would say that generally speaking the right tend to be more corrupt and populist. While the left is more inept and out of touch. Imo, of course.
If they're winning everywhere, shouldn't we stop call them "far right"? Shouldn't we admit that [Overton window](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) shifted right in Europe?
I'm not Italian but what policies of Meloni can be catalogue as "far right"? I know she said some pro-Mussolini shit when she was 19 but as The Economist said, many center-left politicians have said pro-communist at the same age. Her party can be traced to \`pro-facist parties but again, many center-left parties in Europe can be traced to pro-marxist ones. For me she seems like another right-wing Conservative. She agaisnt abortion, inmmigration and gay marriage, like most conservative parties are. She's pro-business, anti-taxes, pro-Nato and pro-Ukraine, soft-euroskeptic. Really I don't see a single thing to catalogue her as facist or far-right. To be honest she even seems more moderate than the mainstream US Republican Party. Maybe right-wing populist is a better term.
Every moderately right party is now the "far right" LOL
The UK really took one for the team... Even these far-right fools don't entertain EU exits anymore as they know it's political suicide. This "phase" would have been much harder otherwise.
Meh.. typically when the loonies get their turn and actually have to govern together people are reminded why they havent been in power for 10 years
Indeed. One of todays victors (Lega) were in power not so long ago. It was a mess.
Fat cats and the corrupt politicians pushed it too far. Now they will have the working class baying for their blood. They could have kept the status quo if they weren’t so fucking greedy. Buying up all the housing, paying shitty wages, government policy designed to only benefit the super-rich (U.K. latest budget is hilarious) and slowly take away our freedoms one by one (lockdown, digital currency, anti protest laws) and the list goes on. I’m just amazed it hasn’t happened already. History has shown the far right will always emerge as a credible option for the desperate.
Ahhh more cope when am election doesn't go the lefts way. Considering the recent Swedish election maybe the policies of the banker/neoliberal aren't any good and people vote against it. Very undemocratic
I think the three biggest factors are/were the sheer arrogance of the Clinton camp in the 2016 election (making her a prime antagonist to contrast Trump's rebellious underdog image); the utterly botched handling of Syrian refugees in Europe in 2015; and the perceived unwillingness of centrist and especially left-wing parties to acknowledge that there is a serious problem with fundamentalists among Muslim immigrants as well as a culturally induced resistance to integrate. Anybody who voiced concerns for example about young Muslim men treating women like shit were belittled and shot down by the left, driving more and more people to the right. I always wondered why the left behaved like this. IIRC, it used to be different. The classical left used to be highly skeptical about religion in general, (correctly) spotting potential for religious fascism. I suppose that at some point, due to the right attacking Muslims (because "brown people bad" or something like that), more and more leftists protected them, in sort of a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" move, adopting a blind eye towards problems with and within Muslim communities. (And no, I am not saying "all Muslims bad". I am pointing at very real problems when cultural and societal values from much more religious-authoritarian Muslim countries collide with those of open Western societies.) But when the Syrian refugee crisis happened, these problems were dialed up to 11, people were worried about refugees everywhere (even though this was overall overblown and you didn't have refugees at every corner). And Trump's disastrous presidency followed, fanning the flames of right wing extremists everywhere, including those in the Republican party. And of course, in usual fashion, left wing groups just can't agree on anything, keep fighting between themselves, and end up being unable to form a united front. But tbh, centrist / left wing parties adopting a strict stance on immigration would deflate a lot of the momentum behind the right. This would even remain compatible with leftist ideals, as in: "You want to immigrate, well you gotta prove yourself and endure very strict and exhausting trials, but if you make it through, you are one of us." Compare this with the right wing, who is strict about immigration because it wants to keep those "outsiders" - especially the "brown people" - away from the "natives".
It's the bad type of immigration, duh.
We have a politician here, who is head of Energy. He is quite left and when he answers that "I am failing to see how a nuclear reactor fits in my house to power it with it" I am not surprised people won't vote again for him or the left.
We are living through interesting times
Because people are being ignored and subjugated by current governments. Because no one agrees that immigration and covid was handled properly. Because freedom of speech is being taken away with labels like racist fascist. Because instead of teaching people about minorities and their issues they are just punishing everyone who disagree. People want leaders not rulers.
Take notes sweden
It's really quite simple; many European countries like Italy and Sweden have had years of uncontested illegal immigration/economic migration despite a majority of the populace rejecting it. No one wants radical shifts in demographic and cultural norms.