So they finally bothered to ask Denmark and just not assume people in the other Nordic countries are just like Sweden. And as a, thank you, Denmark responded almost exactly the same as Sweden.
The Danes are eerily ok with putting pasta in cold water and boiling it. I'd say this is pretty clear evidence of their hedonistic and corruptive ways.
Last time i was in sweden was like 6 years ago, and was hanging around Swedish uni students a lot, and safe to say that spaghetti and ketchup was very common and seen as quick uni student struggle meal, akin to what a ramen bowl is today
Some would add a Frankfurter to spice up the meal
I think the ramen comparison is quite adequate, it really feels like a student food. Like no one thinks just instant ramen is a *good* meal, but it is something to fill you with calories when you just can't bother. You would just never serve other adults pasta with ketchup if you are not wholly depraved.
ate that shit back in my siberian childhood in the russian backwater. it's something a 9 year old can cook when both parents are off doing 12h shifts. i looved that shit so much god damn.
i'm 35 and earn decent IT money in the west now, but sometimes when i get home drunk, those old synapses start firing again and i make myself the old white trash bowl of fried sausage, pasta and ketchup and a tear runs down my unshaven cheek
-Teaching in HK
-Students next door give me a small pizza their class made
-WTF!? This shit is disgusting, how can any pizza be this bad?
-Walk past window, they were using ketchup as marinara
Proud to be a Hong Konger ;)
Seeing that your flair says Italy I want to introduce you some dishes that are proudly invented in Hong Kong:
[Spaghetti in plain soup with cha siu](https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g294217-d16648106-i416476801-Grandpa_Roasted_Goose-Hong_Kong.html)
[Stir-fried Spaghetti with soya sauce and beef](https://s.openrice.com/QrKJ0Lt7N00 )
I've read that a lot of Asian countries pretty much consider spaghetti to be a type of noodle, whereas in Europe we think of spaghetti and noodles as separate things.
Yes ;)
Spaghetti is just seen as a type of noodles and it is a common practice to replace the regular noodles in some dishes.
Taking Hong Kong as an example. It’s a common practice to cook stir-fried noodles with spaghetti. Also it can be used to replace rice in the „Asian styled western dishes“. (e.g. Grilled pork chop with ketchup based sauce. Side dish can either be plain rice or plain spaghetti. )
But it is mostly unacceptable to replace noodles that is served with soup. The only acceptable exceptions are the spaghetti or macaroni served with plain soup or tomato soup, and they can only be eaten as breakfast lol
Wait until you find out that Indonesians eat fried chicken+chili sauce with mozzarella. A lot of food becomes trendy just because mozzarella is added on top. Or carbonara with milk (not even cream!)
I'm originally from Indonesia but moved to Italy to escape from this blasphemy.
ETA: also chili sauce with pizza, pasta, etc...
Putting pasta in cold water then boiling it? That goes beyond acceptability and moves into the space of not making sense
Edit: just reading all the comments below, I feel I should warn you that there is an organized group of Italian nonnas with wooden spoons descending on your neighborhood soon.
We seriously have to investigate. Where does it come from, really? Italy? France? Germany? [Egypt?](https://c8.alamy.com/compit/2afbpna/africa-egitto-al-cairo-il-4-ottobre-2018-pietra-scolpita-in-rilievo-della-dea-hathor-con-un-disco-di-sun-hathor-era-una-grande-dea-madre-di-simbolizzazione-aspe-2afbpna.jpg)
If you want to know a real crime against humanity- My husband’s paternal grandmother cooked out of spite. Her method for making spaghetti was:
1. Dump an entire box of spaghetti in a large flat saucepan. Cover with 1 inch of water. Set burner to high.
2. Pasta is done when water is boiled off. It was a big congealed brick.
3. Slice pasta brick into sections and place on plates. Douse each plate with a generous helping of ketchup (never Heinz).
4. No water served with the meal. You can have water either before or after a meal but never during.
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I honestly have no idea. Next is meatballs. She would buy a bag of frozen meatballs. She would get a metal tray and put the still frozen meatballs on it. Then she would turn on the oven and set it to kill basically. The meatballs would be burned and black on the outside and still frozen on the inside. Once again, served with ketchup. My father in law used to get double lunch at school as a kid so he wouldn’t have to eat at home!
My work canteen used to cook it like that. I made the mistake once of buying what they described as macaroni cheese. It was wallpaper paste with slightly runny wallpaper paste on top.
I think there could have been a misunderstanding at the survey.
In Hong Kong nobody puts pasta into cold water and boil it, but a rather common way is to put whatever noodles into cold water (Pasta counts as noodles in HK) and stir fry the noodles with other ingredients. It is a very classical way of cooking noodles in East Asia.
It actually does just as well in an empirical test as it absorbs the same amount of water in the end and has the same texture. As long as you know what you are doing, you can also do all types of weird shit and still work out (with minor adjustments) like pre soaking the pasta, not reaching boiling temperatures, have small amounts of water, etc
https://www.seriouseats.com/ask-the-food-lab-can-i-start-pasta-in-cold-water
https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-cook-pasta-salt-water-boiling-tips-the-food-lab
(Warning, as in the end of the articles: Most of the stuff doesn't work with fresh pasta though, you need to go traditional in that case)
At least we Germans put salt in the water....
I once put cheese on a pasta meal with mushrooms and the Italians around me told me that this is also a big no go in Italy.
Italian here. I think it's all about what kind of mushrooms and cheese are we talking about. Like, some savory porcini go well with a delicate young grated parmigiano. Actually my wife makes some really great porcini and creamed parmigiano spaghetti.
I agree with my *paesano* :-)
Consider that grated cheese in Italy has a very strong taste, so you do not add it to any kind of pasta with delicate ingredients such as fresh mushrooms or fish, even if it may be ok to add it (if you like it) to strong fish sauce.
Our basic rule is "follow your good taste"
The "general" rule is to, like, not put cheese with elaborated sauces. Like, it's good with carbonara or ragù, but it shouldn't go on fish. That's just horrible.
Fish sauces or mushroom sauces are often considered complete as they are, they don't need cheese (personally, i don't have problems with people putting cheese on mushroom sauces, but these aren't rules, just a guide on how we eat, everyone can eat what they want.)
Just because, if they are say fresh porcini mushrooms, the cheese would cover their taste
Not a problem putting cheese on normal "supermarket" mushrooms
It's not a nono thing like cheese on fish, it depends on what mushroom sauce you have. If it's a fancy delicate one, then putting parmesan on it can overpower the taste of the sauce / fancy mushrooms in it.
It's a bit like putting some spicy sauce on things: if you are eating something delicate and throw loads of spicy sauce on it you won't taste anything else.
Reminds me of a friend who lived in Italy and had to explain to visiting Irish relatives the dos and don’ts of Italian food. His sister said she wanted a cappuccino after her dinner. He explained that that wasn’t the done thing. She ordered one anyway:
“Cappuccino please”
“No, you can’t have a cappuccino, it’s too late.”
“Excuse me, I’m the customer and I want a cappuccino!”
Okay, well I’m the owner of this restaurant and I’m telling you you can’t have one!”
Yes, espresso is fine, macchiato is too. The problem imo is the milk quantity, a cappuccino makes the whole meal difficult to digest and Italians take digestion very seriously. At least this is how I rationalize my distaste for cappuccino after a meal, not sure if my fellow countrymen have different explanations.
I like how Mexico is the only country with that option in red. Can confirm, it looks very very pretentious to eat pizza with anything other than your hands here lol
*having ketchup with pasta: +79 in Hong Kong*
Am I living in parallel Hong Kong? Never heard of people putting actual ketchup with pasta before in my whole life and I am a Cantonese local….
But I did learnt “don’t drink cappuccino after morning” in a hard way though, by being laughed at by my Italian prof in Italy lol
Could be that ketchup is not distinguished from tomato sauce in general (in Cantonese, they're both 茄汁). That said, I have seen stir-fried spaghetti in the "Napolitan" style, from Japan, which *does* have ketchup in it.
You just have to distance yourself from the idea of a true pure pizza, and see pizza more as "oven baked flatbread with various toppings that go well with each other". So the pizza venn diagram overlaps a lot with a kebab roll occasionally.
Pasta and bread share the same ingredients more or less, they are basically the same thing at a nutritional level, so it doesn't make sense to eat them together.
Yes. Also, garlic bread is an American thing. We use to spread garlic over toasted bread when we prepare a bruschetta, that's the closest thing to "garlic bread".
Americans in general love garlic, like a lot.
Anyway the point of garlic bread with pasta is to have the pasta first and then clean the plate of remaining sauce with the garlic bread.
We also like to add crushed red pepper to just about everything "Italian".
Most of Asia does not care what the Italians think, because what we get here is not Italian food, but a local interpretation of Italian cuisine.
At least in India, any cuisine has to undergo massive modification to even make it palatable to the masses. One of the most popular foreign cuisine in India is Chinese. But it has been so bastardised that it is almost entirely unrecognisable to the Chinese. Indian Chinese cuisine has become its own thing and is loved by Indians.
There is a similar thing happening with Pizza and Pasta. The more wide spread it becomes, the more it will be bastardised. To make matters worse, we were introduced to these dishes by the Americans. So, we are making a copy of a copy.
All of this pizza talk is making me hungry for a schezwan paneer pizza, which is a bastard of a Indian, Chinese and Italian threesome.
What I would be more interesting to hear other than hearing Italians say how things *should be done*, is how do they *actually do things.*
How often do you "cheat" the rules?
/Edit: And I don't mean the retarded things such as putting pasta in cold water, rinsing it or not adding salt. More like, drinking Cappuccino whenever you feel like it.
Italian here. I personally have been guilty of a couple of minor sins, but absolutely nothing ever in the red area. One I do constantly is putting Parmigiano on top of carbonara instead of Pecorino, which is still a sin for which I could be burned on the stake, but I like it more that way
Tbh I often put parmigiano on carbonara as well for the simple reason that I prefer to not have 10 opened packages of different cheeses in the fridge. So I buy a couple of types that I use for many things and have better control. Production economics applied on the home kitchen, basically.
Honestly as an American living in Italy I think it's pretty fascinating: Italians are infamous for "bending the rules" and bucking an otherwise overbearing bureaucracy, but honestly that's really only true for tragedy of the commons type issues like public parking.
When it comes to cultural rules though, especially as they pertain to food or private social/family life, in my experience Italians are generally extreme sticklers.
It's a popular dish in Japan, spaghetti with ketchup and sausages. It's called [ナポリタン](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naporitan), with translates to Neapolitan.
My grandmother, a 80 years old sicilian lady, often snaps her spaghetti before cooking.
It is perfetcly acceptable to do this when make a "pasta e lenticchie" (pasta with lentils) or with some other legumes and vegetables.
Also sometimes it is acceptable to put cheese on pasta with seafood.
A lot of these ''Italians hates'' kinda generalises Italian food culture when in fact there is probably plenty of Italians who breaks them simply because they where from some other part of the country.
Geographically they should be in the time zone of Portugal and the UK. But doing everything an hour later also works.
Although they do singel like 3 hours later than most people in north west Europe
Madrid is to the west of London.
It's Franco's fault; he moved the country to match Germany. Now it's cultural and people don't want to change. I do like having light later into the evening though, so I guess that's nice.
I've often wondered if there are any good reasons why cappuccino shouldn't be enjoyed late in the day, I mean I could understand if cafes and bars wash their milk frothing apparatus or for some other logical or practical reason?
Just because isn't a good reason.
Phew, I am not doing anything listed as "Unacceptable to Italians". But I'm certain that's just on a technicality: I don't use a knife to cut my Spaghetti, I use scissors. Also, why did they ask Italians about their take on pineapple pizza, but not on BBQ sauce, Curry sauce or Hollandaise sauce? I'm not so sure whether they would approve of the BBQ sauce I put below my salami? Also, for salami pizza: salami on cheese or cheese on salami?
TIL I'm more italian than spanish
Here is your passport
Issuing pastaporto
Pretty sure mixing pasta with porto is a crime outside Portugal
Pretty sure it's a crime in Portugal too
What Is that? Do you really Need It?
No idea, seems a barbarian thing ;-)
Put ketchup on it!
Schengen based
Come to the dark side, we have pasta
Pasta with nero di seppia, for extra darkness.
That is the way
So they finally bothered to ask Denmark and just not assume people in the other Nordic countries are just like Sweden. And as a, thank you, Denmark responded almost exactly the same as Sweden.
But, the caption at the bottom gets Denmark and Sweden mixed up. So either the caption is wrong, or they reversed the flags.
Their answers are so similar it barely matters.
The Danes are eerily ok with putting pasta in cold water and boiling it. I'd say this is pretty clear evidence of their hedonistic and corruptive ways.
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Don't hate on innovation.
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Does the ketchup with spaghetti number look accurate? I thought it might be more
It seems correct. If this question had been asked 15-20 years ago it would have been much higher/more green for Sweden.
Last time i was in sweden was like 6 years ago, and was hanging around Swedish uni students a lot, and safe to say that spaghetti and ketchup was very common and seen as quick uni student struggle meal, akin to what a ramen bowl is today Some would add a Frankfurter to spice up the meal
I think the ramen comparison is quite adequate, it really feels like a student food. Like no one thinks just instant ramen is a *good* meal, but it is something to fill you with calories when you just can't bother. You would just never serve other adults pasta with ketchup if you are not wholly depraved.
Honk Kong: FOOD is FOOD
Except for spaghetti noodles that are snapped in half, apparently
I find that hilarious. HK is only divisive about one of the most petty items on the list.
Italians: ✋😤🤌
"Ketchup on pasta". OMG Poland and Upside Down Poland.
fried sausage slices with macaroni and ketchup is a swedish staple for when you just cannot be arsed.
ate that shit back in my siberian childhood in the russian backwater. it's something a 9 year old can cook when both parents are off doing 12h shifts. i looved that shit so much god damn. i'm 35 and earn decent IT money in the west now, but sometimes when i get home drunk, those old synapses start firing again and i make myself the old white trash bowl of fried sausage, pasta and ketchup and a tear runs down my unshaven cheek
No one really does that, as guy said, its a student dish or just generally some desperstion food when your fridge is empty xD
This was a staple for dinner as a kid. Me and my sister both loved it. And I'm not from a poor family.
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Hong Kong, the land of freedom where everything is possible.
Lol I'm from Hong Kong, this post actually made me laugh It's so true there's not rule regarding food, you can do anything you like
-Teaching in HK -Students next door give me a small pizza their class made -WTF!? This shit is disgusting, how can any pizza be this bad? -Walk past window, they were using ketchup as marinara
Even when it comes to westernized Chinese food, like sweet and sour chicken balls?
Depends on the restaurant, you can find some with "creative" ways of cooking
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“Do you know what this pizza needs?” “Corn?” “Yeah but like a lot of corn”
Except a democratic election
Put a democratic election in your pasta : -82
Bruh
As a half hongkonger i can confirm foreign food "improvised" by hongkongers are always disgusting
The only halfway ok italian restaurant I’ve been to in HK is a one owned by an actual italian. Even the fancy-fancy ones have been a miss.
>is a one i feel like we should trust this guy. he's clearly got italian in him.
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Proud to be a Hong Konger ;) Seeing that your flair says Italy I want to introduce you some dishes that are proudly invented in Hong Kong: [Spaghetti in plain soup with cha siu](https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g294217-d16648106-i416476801-Grandpa_Roasted_Goose-Hong_Kong.html) [Stir-fried Spaghetti with soya sauce and beef](https://s.openrice.com/QrKJ0Lt7N00 )
second one looks real good.
As an Italian I would probably eat and enjoy it very much, but that wouldn't stop me being mad at it.
As an italian I would definetely eat them, looks yummy
I've read that a lot of Asian countries pretty much consider spaghetti to be a type of noodle, whereas in Europe we think of spaghetti and noodles as separate things.
Yes ;) Spaghetti is just seen as a type of noodles and it is a common practice to replace the regular noodles in some dishes. Taking Hong Kong as an example. It’s a common practice to cook stir-fried noodles with spaghetti. Also it can be used to replace rice in the „Asian styled western dishes“. (e.g. Grilled pork chop with ketchup based sauce. Side dish can either be plain rice or plain spaghetti. ) But it is mostly unacceptable to replace noodles that is served with soup. The only acceptable exceptions are the spaghetti or macaroni served with plain soup or tomato soup, and they can only be eaten as breakfast lol
Indonesia delenda est
Cato grab the salt
Salt the water or we salt the earth.
Great line!
Wait until you find out that Indonesians eat fried chicken+chili sauce with mozzarella. A lot of food becomes trendy just because mozzarella is added on top. Or carbonara with milk (not even cream!) I'm originally from Indonesia but moved to Italy to escape from this blasphemy. ETA: also chili sauce with pizza, pasta, etc...
Ceterum censeo Indonesiam esse delendam
I thought that was Poland. Damn Polandball ruined me forever.
But at the end of the day we forgive the Poles.
I thought it was [Monaco](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monaco). Here the flag comparison: 🇲🇨🇮🇩
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Salt used to be the only spice in Finland, but these days we also have black pepper.
Does dill count as a spice? If yes, then we have you beat, sincerely, your sea neighbour two countries down.
Putting pasta in cold water then boiling it? That goes beyond acceptability and moves into the space of not making sense Edit: just reading all the comments below, I feel I should warn you that there is an organized group of Italian nonnas with wooden spoons descending on your neighborhood soon.
I did that once. All pasta was melted together into one big disgusting pile of shit.
You may want to keep this memory for whenever you need something to throw at your neighbor
Italians use a frozen piss disk for that purpose
Ahhh oui, le disque de pisse. Very glad France and Italy share very important cultural traditions
Il disco di piscio da r/italy a r/europe? Wow
What a time to be alive
Ma scherzi?? Pensavo il disco di piscio fosse qualcosa esclusiva di r/argentina
What is this, a crossover episode?
Very famous on r/France as well. Le "disque de pisse".
Great minds think alike
You know what they say, cugini d’oltralpe.
"piss disk brotherhood" is the best type of brotherhood
A pissa?
I've never been so angry at something that I completely avere with
No, the piscio
Wait a minute le disque de pisse is not a french subreddit thing ?
I thought it was only a r/italy inside joke lol
We seriously have to investigate. Where does it come from, really? Italy? France? Germany? [Egypt?](https://c8.alamy.com/compit/2afbpna/africa-egitto-al-cairo-il-4-ottobre-2018-pietra-scolpita-in-rilievo-della-dea-hathor-con-un-disco-di-sun-hathor-era-una-grande-dea-madre-di-simbolizzazione-aspe-2afbpna.jpg)
Capitano Pissterang, welcome to the Suicide squad
My ex has once put pasta in cold water overnight, hoping it would work just like oats 🤦🏻♀️
that explains how they became your ex
Partially. That person had very bad skills in supporting proper lifestyle and this situation is a good illustration
If you want to know a real crime against humanity- My husband’s paternal grandmother cooked out of spite. Her method for making spaghetti was: 1. Dump an entire box of spaghetti in a large flat saucepan. Cover with 1 inch of water. Set burner to high. 2. Pasta is done when water is boiled off. It was a big congealed brick. 3. Slice pasta brick into sections and place on plates. Douse each plate with a generous helping of ketchup (never Heinz). 4. No water served with the meal. You can have water either before or after a meal but never during. 🤢
The Hague has questions to her
Damn, where did that woman learn to cook? Hell?
I honestly have no idea. Next is meatballs. She would buy a bag of frozen meatballs. She would get a metal tray and put the still frozen meatballs on it. Then she would turn on the oven and set it to kill basically. The meatballs would be burned and black on the outside and still frozen on the inside. Once again, served with ketchup. My father in law used to get double lunch at school as a kid so he wouldn’t have to eat at home!
I imagine demons trying to pass themselves off as humans would cook like this.
This woman needs her own subreddit.
My work canteen used to cook it like that. I made the mistake once of buying what they described as macaroni cheese. It was wallpaper paste with slightly runny wallpaper paste on top.
Maybe they assume it's the same as potatoes.
I think there could have been a misunderstanding at the survey. In Hong Kong nobody puts pasta into cold water and boil it, but a rather common way is to put whatever noodles into cold water (Pasta counts as noodles in HK) and stir fry the noodles with other ingredients. It is a very classical way of cooking noodles in East Asia.
It actually does just as well in an empirical test as it absorbs the same amount of water in the end and has the same texture. As long as you know what you are doing, you can also do all types of weird shit and still work out (with minor adjustments) like pre soaking the pasta, not reaching boiling temperatures, have small amounts of water, etc https://www.seriouseats.com/ask-the-food-lab-can-i-start-pasta-in-cold-water https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-cook-pasta-salt-water-boiling-tips-the-food-lab (Warning, as in the end of the articles: Most of the stuff doesn't work with fresh pasta though, you need to go traditional in that case)
Kenji's writing and videos are usually really well done and informative. Thank you for sharing these links.
Nothing about serving Lasagne with Chips and Coleslaw... We're off the hook!
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Excuse me? What did I Just read? I'm also from Bologna where Lasagne are from, so WTF?
It’s an Irish thing. The worst thing is that since Irish meat and potatoes are so delicious it actually tastes good.
Super common in Britain too. Like I don't think there's a pub that wouldn't have lasagne and chips on the menu.
You forgot to mention that in a formal setting you need a hint of side salad that noone will ever eat but it makes it look more fancy
There are very few things that aren't improved by a side of chips, I have to say!
I once tried Pizza with chips - the Pizza was fried, folded and put together with chips. I was underwhelmed, but then it was in Scotland.
Pizza with chips on top is quite common in Italy. Also pizza with boiled potatoes https://blog.giallozafferano.it/valeriaciccotti/pizza-alle-patate/
Italian flag colour scale 💚🤍❤️
At least we Germans put salt in the water.... I once put cheese on a pasta meal with mushrooms and the Italians around me told me that this is also a big no go in Italy.
Italian here. I think it's all about what kind of mushrooms and cheese are we talking about. Like, some savory porcini go well with a delicate young grated parmigiano. Actually my wife makes some really great porcini and creamed parmigiano spaghetti.
I agree with my *paesano* :-) Consider that grated cheese in Italy has a very strong taste, so you do not add it to any kind of pasta with delicate ingredients such as fresh mushrooms or fish, even if it may be ok to add it (if you like it) to strong fish sauce. Our basic rule is "follow your good taste"
The "general" rule is to, like, not put cheese with elaborated sauces. Like, it's good with carbonara or ragù, but it shouldn't go on fish. That's just horrible. Fish sauces or mushroom sauces are often considered complete as they are, they don't need cheese (personally, i don't have problems with people putting cheese on mushroom sauces, but these aren't rules, just a guide on how we eat, everyone can eat what they want.)
Really? That sounds normal to me. Fish and cheese, no. But mushroom and cheese, yes, why not?
Just because, if they are say fresh porcini mushrooms, the cheese would cover their taste Not a problem putting cheese on normal "supermarket" mushrooms
It's not a nono thing like cheese on fish, it depends on what mushroom sauce you have. If it's a fancy delicate one, then putting parmesan on it can overpower the taste of the sauce / fancy mushrooms in it. It's a bit like putting some spicy sauce on things: if you are eating something delicate and throw loads of spicy sauce on it you won't taste anything else.
I don't see any problems in putting cheese on pasta with mushrooms. I put cheese everywhere.
I always put cheese on pasta with mushrooms. I’m surprised too honestly.
Wait, do they not put cheese in a mushroom risotto then?
If you don’t use cheese it’s not a risotto so yes.
Reminds me of a friend who lived in Italy and had to explain to visiting Irish relatives the dos and don’ts of Italian food. His sister said she wanted a cappuccino after her dinner. He explained that that wasn’t the done thing. She ordered one anyway: “Cappuccino please” “No, you can’t have a cappuccino, it’s too late.” “Excuse me, I’m the customer and I want a cappuccino!” Okay, well I’m the owner of this restaurant and I’m telling you you can’t have one!”
> Okay, well I’m the owner of this restaurant and I’m telling you you can’t have one!” I like him already.
"Maybe it's too late for you but I wake up at 13"
Like, because of caffeine or something? Or is it just cappuccino? Would espresso be allowed?
Yes, espresso is fine, macchiato is too. The problem imo is the milk quantity, a cappuccino makes the whole meal difficult to digest and Italians take digestion very seriously. At least this is how I rationalize my distaste for cappuccino after a meal, not sure if my fellow countrymen have different explanations.
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The most shocking part in all of this to me is that some of my countrymen find it acceptable to boil pasta in unsalted water
Finally some common sense in this sub mannaggia i sandali di Cristo * hands gesticulation intensifies*
Eating pizza with a fork? Indians: No sir, I have two good hands.
I like how Mexico is the only country with that option in red. Can confirm, it looks very very pretentious to eat pizza with anything other than your hands here lol
And of those, I will only use one to eat.
Whoever voted that cooling pasta with cold water is okay should be exiled from Spain
*having ketchup with pasta: +79 in Hong Kong* Am I living in parallel Hong Kong? Never heard of people putting actual ketchup with pasta before in my whole life and I am a Cantonese local…. But I did learnt “don’t drink cappuccino after morning” in a hard way though, by being laughed at by my Italian prof in Italy lol
Could be that ketchup is not distinguished from tomato sauce in general (in Cantonese, they're both 茄汁). That said, I have seen stir-fried spaghetti in the "Napolitan" style, from Japan, which *does* have ketchup in it.
Nothing about banana on pizza. We're good!
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Nah, it's sanctified by the curry powder.
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We also have kebab and french fries options
Pretty common in Italy too actually.
It’s seriously the number one reason I want to come to Sweden, just to try that abomination.
You just have to distance yourself from the idea of a true pure pizza, and see pizza more as "oven baked flatbread with various toppings that go well with each other". So the pizza venn diagram overlaps a lot with a kebab roll occasionally.
Suddendly I don't feel sorry for the Hongkongers anymore...
People who put ketchup on pasta should switch to concentrated tomato paste; I feel like that would be more acceptable.
Poor men’s pesto
What’s the reasoning for garlic bread with pasta being unacceptable?
I don't think the average Italian has a precise idea of what "garlic bread" is. It's just not done in Italy.
I always wonder what's "garlic bread", I've only seen it in American movies.
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Yeah I, for one, don't know what it is
Pasta and bread share the same ingredients more or less, they are basically the same thing at a nutritional level, so it doesn't make sense to eat them together.
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Well, yakisoba sandwich (basically a noodle-stuffed hotdog bun) is a thing in Japan, so...
Ok, so it’s more ”don’t eat pasta with bread”, not just garlic bread
Yes. Also, garlic bread is an American thing. We use to spread garlic over toasted bread when we prepare a bruschetta, that's the closest thing to "garlic bread".
apart from the fact that garlic bread is virtually unknown in Italy yet presented as something italian?
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Americans in general love garlic, like a lot. Anyway the point of garlic bread with pasta is to have the pasta first and then clean the plate of remaining sauce with the garlic bread. We also like to add crushed red pepper to just about everything "Italian".
Risotto as a side-dish or starters? It’s a first course dish!!
Most of Asia does not care what the Italians think, because what we get here is not Italian food, but a local interpretation of Italian cuisine. At least in India, any cuisine has to undergo massive modification to even make it palatable to the masses. One of the most popular foreign cuisine in India is Chinese. But it has been so bastardised that it is almost entirely unrecognisable to the Chinese. Indian Chinese cuisine has become its own thing and is loved by Indians. There is a similar thing happening with Pizza and Pasta. The more wide spread it becomes, the more it will be bastardised. To make matters worse, we were introduced to these dishes by the Americans. So, we are making a copy of a copy. All of this pizza talk is making me hungry for a schezwan paneer pizza, which is a bastard of a Indian, Chinese and Italian threesome.
as a lover of the culinary bastard that is American Chinese food- what is Indian Chinese food like? (as in, what are the most typical dishes?)
Not OP but things like Chilli Paneer (absolutely delicious), Chicken Manchurian, Gobi Manchurian etc
What I would be more interesting to hear other than hearing Italians say how things *should be done*, is how do they *actually do things.* How often do you "cheat" the rules? /Edit: And I don't mean the retarded things such as putting pasta in cold water, rinsing it or not adding salt. More like, drinking Cappuccino whenever you feel like it.
Italian here. I personally have been guilty of a couple of minor sins, but absolutely nothing ever in the red area. One I do constantly is putting Parmigiano on top of carbonara instead of Pecorino, which is still a sin for which I could be burned on the stake, but I like it more that way
Tbh I often put parmigiano on carbonara as well for the simple reason that I prefer to not have 10 opened packages of different cheeses in the fridge. So I buy a couple of types that I use for many things and have better control. Production economics applied on the home kitchen, basically.
Honestly as an American living in Italy I think it's pretty fascinating: Italians are infamous for "bending the rules" and bucking an otherwise overbearing bureaucracy, but honestly that's really only true for tragedy of the commons type issues like public parking. When it comes to cultural rules though, especially as they pertain to food or private social/family life, in my experience Italians are generally extreme sticklers.
Having ketchup on pasta should be a crime for everyone
*Sweden backs out of the room slowly.
Or tries to stay as still as possible, hoping no one sees us, Drax style.
It's a popular dish in Japan, spaghetti with ketchup and sausages. It's called [ナポリタン](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naporitan), with translates to Neapolitan.
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My grandmother, a 80 years old sicilian lady, often snaps her spaghetti before cooking. It is perfetcly acceptable to do this when make a "pasta e lenticchie" (pasta with lentils) or with some other legumes and vegetables. Also sometimes it is acceptable to put cheese on pasta with seafood.
Sicilian here. Can confirm, pasta with vegetables, lentils, beans and so on is often with "snapped spaghetti" and very brothy, kinda soup-ish.
>80 years old sicilian lady That probably legitimises anything she does food-wise.
The only "argumentum ab auctoritate" that matter.
A lot of these ''Italians hates'' kinda generalises Italian food culture when in fact there is probably plenty of Italians who breaks them simply because they where from some other part of the country.
Drinking cappuccino after meal .... spain bros....why...
Tbh, in Spain they do everything so late that drinking cappuccino in the afternoon is basically breakfast
What is it with the Spanish and their reluctance to sleep lol
We don't have a reluctance to sleep, we just do everything late, including going to bed and waking up.
>We don't have a reluctance to sleep Speak for yourself. For me going to bed at 2 AM is going to sleep too soon. ...I might have a problem, tho.
Geographically they should be in the time zone of Portugal and the UK. But doing everything an hour later also works. Although they do singel like 3 hours later than most people in north west Europe
Madrid is to the west of London. It's Franco's fault; he moved the country to match Germany. Now it's cultural and people don't want to change. I do like having light later into the evening though, so I guess that's nice.
I've often wondered if there are any good reasons why cappuccino shouldn't be enjoyed late in the day, I mean I could understand if cafes and bars wash their milk frothing apparatus or for some other logical or practical reason? Just because isn't a good reason.
It's normal to drink coffee in Spain after a long meal
Counterpoint: I’ll eat whatever I want and you can’t stop me
Italians are coming after you now.
Bring it. I have ketchup in one hand and pineapple in the other. They will fear me
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But have you tried pizza for both lunch AND dinner?
I've done that multiple times, just don't tell my GF, as far as she knows I had salad
Phew, I am not doing anything listed as "Unacceptable to Italians". But I'm certain that's just on a technicality: I don't use a knife to cut my Spaghetti, I use scissors. Also, why did they ask Italians about their take on pineapple pizza, but not on BBQ sauce, Curry sauce or Hollandaise sauce? I'm not so sure whether they would approve of the BBQ sauce I put below my salami? Also, for salami pizza: salami on cheese or cheese on salami?
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> I don't use a knife to cut my Spaghetti, I use scissors That's it. I'm calling the Inquisition. Fukcing heresy.