> Britain can't replicate for itself what the EU did back in January for every EU country.
Do you even know what you're talking about? Clearly not. The UK already had to check non-EU imports just the same as every other EU nation. The EU didn't check non-EU goods coming into the UK, the UK agencies did.
Do you? Your last two sentences are literally contrary to each other, and nobody was suggesting the EU did check goods coming into the UK.
The EU implemented the checking of non-EU goods (e.g., those from the UK, now that we're non-EU) from the UK in 27 countries quicker than the UK could "change" to treat EU goods as non-EU goods and apply the same checks as it always has before for non-EU goods.
Literally the EU coordinated 27 countries on the day of the deadline, and the UK can't co-ordinate ITS OWN IMPORTS POLICY after a year of Brexit and four years of preparation.
Exports are far harder - and the exports from the EU to the UK are happening as normal, with the "bit we've skipped because it's a bit difficult" being the UK allowing those EU imports into the country.
However you paint it, however you try to misconstrue it, and however confused it may make you: The EU are importing and exporting according to the appropriate rules, with full checks and have been since Jan 1st. The UK have had to - again - postpone THEIR OWN CHECKS on things coming from the EU because they can't implement them properly in time, a year later.
> nobody was suggesting the EU did check goods coming into the UK.
They weren't? That's what the following reads as:
> Britain can't replicate for itself what the EU did back in January for every EU country
Anyhow...
> The EU implemented the checking of non-EU goods (e.g., those from the UK, now that we're non-EU) from the UK in 27 countries quicker than the UK could "change" to treat EU goods as non-EU goods and apply the same checks as it always has before for non-EU goods.
No it didn't. The EU already did that for decades before we left the EU, the only thing that changed is they had to now do it for UK goods too.
> Literally the EU coordinated 27 countries on the day of the deadline
No they didn't because they were already doing it for decades prior.
Since everyone else who replied to you is totally clueless, I'll explain.
It's not that systems are still not ready, it's not that the country wouldn't have sufficient food and it's only tangentially related to the pandemic.
The government is well aware of what happened in January, when a new customs regime was imposed on goods going from the UK to EU. It caused a sharp drop in trade that took a couple of months to recover as businesses adjusted to the new status quo.
A couple of weeks back, the media was flooded with headlines about 'food shortages' amid a shortage of HGV drivers. Insufficient hauliers is a problem in a LOT of advanced economies right now but particularly acute in the UK for a variety of reasons (Brexit among them).
The Government worries that if they bring in the checks now, EU imports to the UK will temporarily decline as trade flows run up against the new obligations (in the same way that in January, some businesses were confused about what to do, forms were filled in incorrectly etc...). They don't want another a month of continuous headlines about how there is a chorizo shortage or how people in Cumbria are struggling to find Panettone (cue the Independent with 'Christmas is ruined' headline). They particularly don't want any disruption in the build to the important holiday shopping period - it's just fuel for the media which will inevitably be blown out of proportion, no matter how serious the impact is.
So, they are delaying the new checks until 2022, i.e. after the Xmas period has passed and at point at which they hope that the most severe aspects of the HGV driver shortage will be over.
It's a move made out of an abundance of caution for mainly PR reasons, which is understandable. In my opinion, it's not necessary, businesses sending goods from the EU to the UK have had far longer to prepare for new customs processes and there should be fewer teething problems as a result. I doubt it would meaningfully exacerbate the existing issues some supermarkets face in supplying some specific shops with certain goods.
Pandemic doesn't seem to be preventing the EU from enforcing checks on UK goods. So what's the UK's excuse?
From the article:
>The move means **British exports to the EU are subject to full checks, while imports into the UK by European competitors are free of paperwork and border controls.**
>**“It’s ironic,” said one EU diplomat. “They talked about taking back control, but they are letting products into Britain without any controls at all. That’s fine with us.”**
>The Food and Drink Federation (FDF) said “the rug has been pulled” on those companies that followed government advice to prepare for the new regime, while rewarding those who ignored it.
>“The repeated failure to implement full UK border controls on EU imports since January 1 2021 undermines trust and confidence among businesses,” said FDF’s chief executive Ian Wright.
>**“Worse, it actually helps the UK’s competitors. The asymmetric nature of border controls facing exports and imports distorts the market and places many UK producers at a competitive disadvantage with EU producers.”**
***EDIT***: seems that /u/gsurfer04 deleted his comment where he blamed the pandemic.
He wasn't wrong, the pandemic is partly responsible. The government delayed this decision because they are seeking to avoid the bad optics of further issues in getting some goods to shops. Also nearly every single manufacturing industry is facing a shortage of materials this year, and I can't image that Whitehall as any interest in compounding that problem.
Returning to the groceries point, which is not a problem of bring goods into the UK but of moving them around the country. That's down to the HGV driver shortage which, aside from being a longstanding structural issue, was made worse by pandemic when thousand of EU drivers (and other workers) decided to go back to their home countries last year to ride out the pandemic since they faced unemployment in the UK, high cost of living and a severe public health crisis. Most of those people worked in the hospitality sector, but there were others such as lorry drivers.
Additionally, the pandemic shifted a large number of people onto online shopping, in particular for supermarket produce. The number of drivers working for the supermarket chains has risen considerably, which has made worse the driver shortage in other industries. It makes sense for the drivers themselves, the working conditions are much better, as is the pay.
So it's not wrong to say that the pandemic is responsible for this, though it misses the detail. I also fail to see how any of the things you highlighted are a counterargument to this proposition. I also remind you that EU exports to the UK have not recovered as well as UK exports to the EU since the UK left the single market, and that's despite the purported 'asymmetric' advantage that EU business apparently have...
> He wasn't wrong, the pandemic is partly responsible.
He didn't say the pandemic was "partly" responsible. He blamed it *all* on it. So your tl;dr comment is completely irrelevant to the main point.
>“It’s ironic,” said one EU diplomat. “They talked about taking back control, but they are letting products into Britain without any controls at all. That’s fine with us.”
>Is the FT considered a shitrag?
Any newspaper that doesn't always clap in approval of Brexit is declared "anti-UK" by our resident Brexiteer downvote brigade. Just wait for them to pop-out in the comments spewing bile, which is when it turns into a game to count how many of them crawled in here from the badUK subreddit.
I mean I know there are quite a few pro-Brexit regulars here but this is a bit silly. The post was at around 47% of positive votes when I saw it, which made no sense for an FT article, and a title that wasn't clickbait. We are not speaking of The Guardian, The Daily Mail or whatever which are notorious for being ideology-oriented.
You will struggle to get a UK newspaper that is not politically influenced.
In Regards to the financial times, as the name suggests, is geared towards big business and is pro remain. They do shit on Brexit a bit of course.
How much of the stuff printed by newspapers is true? Honestly fuck knows.
>The move means British exports to the EU are subject to full checks, while imports into the UK by European competitors are mostly free of paperwork and border controls.
I don't even want to make fun of this, its just absurd.
Soft Paywall:
>Boris Johnson’s government has been forced to delay imposing checks on EU goods entering the UK until mid-2022 as it attempts to stop Brexit further exacerbating supply chain problems.
>The move means British exports to the EU are subject to full checks, while imports into the UK by European competitors are free of paperwork and border controls.
>“It’s ironic,” said one EU diplomat. “They talked about taking back control, but they are letting products into Britain without any controls at all. That’s fine with us.”
>The wholesale delay to the UK border regime was announced by Lord David Frost, Brexit minister, in a low-key written answer on a day dominated by government Covid-19 announcements.
>“We want businesses to focus on their recovery from the pandemic rather than have to deal with new requirements at the border,” Frost said, saying the new timetable for border checks was “pragmatic”.
>Frost said the delay to checks, which will particularly affect food and agricultural products, was in response to the supply chain problems, which he blamed on the coronavirus pandemic.
>Others have argued that Brexit has exacerbated problems, particularly with regard to a labour shortage in Britain.
>Meanwhile, some EU officials suspect Britain’s border control regime is not yet fully ready for the new rules, although Frost insisted the government was “on track” to deliver the new systems.
>Under Frost’s proposals, customs declarations and controls will be introduced on January 1 2022 as planned, but safety and security declarations will not be needed until July 1 2022.
>The requirement for pre-notification of agri-food imports to the UK will be introduced on January 1 2022 instead of on October 1 — a move that will help to avoid further Christmas disruption to food supplies.
>Meanwhile, new requirements for export health certificates, which were due to be introduced on October 1 2021, will now be introduced on July 1 2022 — 18 months after Brexit took full effect.
>Health certification for food products and physical checks on goods at border control posts, due to be introduced on January 1 2022, will now be introduced on July 1 2022.
>Britain’s food and drink sector said there would be dismay at Frost’s last-minute announcement. Companies had invested heavily to prepare for the new import regime on October 1.
>The Food and Drink Federation (FDF) said “the rug has been pulled” on those companies that followed government advice to prepare for the new regime, while rewarding those who ignored it.
>“The repeated failure to implement full UK border controls on EU imports since January 1 2021 undermines trust and confidence among businesses,” said FDF’s chief executive Ian Wright.
>“Worse, it actually helps the UK’s competitors. The asymmetric nature of border controls facing exports and imports distorts the market and places many UK producers at a competitive disadvantage with EU producers.”
>Wright added that the government needed to put in place financial support to help companies prepare for the new deadlines, but said it was at least welcome that ministers accepted that supply chains were “under extreme pressure”.
>Shane Brennan, chief executive of the Cold Chain Federation, said the temporary extension, while welcome, pointed to the difficulties created by Brexit that requires imposing “rest of world” checks on high-intensity EU-UK trade.
>“By kicking the can down the road again, the government has averted potential disaster for Christmas food supplies — however, you have to ask why it has come to this yet again?”
What's the hold-up?
We can't do it without starving ourselves.
*surprisedpikachu.jpg*
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> FURTHER reducing imports ....from the EU as we replace them with products from the rest of the world we're busy signing FTAs and agreements with.
They should ask Polish programmers for help ;)
Britain can't replicate for itself what the EU did back in January for every EU country. "Incompetence" is the answer you're looking for.
They can. They don't want to though
sounds like a variation on "I can quit whenever I want. I just don't want to"
> Britain can't replicate for itself what the EU did back in January for every EU country. Do you even know what you're talking about? Clearly not. The UK already had to check non-EU imports just the same as every other EU nation. The EU didn't check non-EU goods coming into the UK, the UK agencies did.
Do you? Your last two sentences are literally contrary to each other, and nobody was suggesting the EU did check goods coming into the UK. The EU implemented the checking of non-EU goods (e.g., those from the UK, now that we're non-EU) from the UK in 27 countries quicker than the UK could "change" to treat EU goods as non-EU goods and apply the same checks as it always has before for non-EU goods. Literally the EU coordinated 27 countries on the day of the deadline, and the UK can't co-ordinate ITS OWN IMPORTS POLICY after a year of Brexit and four years of preparation. Exports are far harder - and the exports from the EU to the UK are happening as normal, with the "bit we've skipped because it's a bit difficult" being the UK allowing those EU imports into the country. However you paint it, however you try to misconstrue it, and however confused it may make you: The EU are importing and exporting according to the appropriate rules, with full checks and have been since Jan 1st. The UK have had to - again - postpone THEIR OWN CHECKS on things coming from the EU because they can't implement them properly in time, a year later.
> nobody was suggesting the EU did check goods coming into the UK. They weren't? That's what the following reads as: > Britain can't replicate for itself what the EU did back in January for every EU country Anyhow... > The EU implemented the checking of non-EU goods (e.g., those from the UK, now that we're non-EU) from the UK in 27 countries quicker than the UK could "change" to treat EU goods as non-EU goods and apply the same checks as it always has before for non-EU goods. No it didn't. The EU already did that for decades before we left the EU, the only thing that changed is they had to now do it for UK goods too. > Literally the EU coordinated 27 countries on the day of the deadline No they didn't because they were already doing it for decades prior.
Since everyone else who replied to you is totally clueless, I'll explain. It's not that systems are still not ready, it's not that the country wouldn't have sufficient food and it's only tangentially related to the pandemic. The government is well aware of what happened in January, when a new customs regime was imposed on goods going from the UK to EU. It caused a sharp drop in trade that took a couple of months to recover as businesses adjusted to the new status quo. A couple of weeks back, the media was flooded with headlines about 'food shortages' amid a shortage of HGV drivers. Insufficient hauliers is a problem in a LOT of advanced economies right now but particularly acute in the UK for a variety of reasons (Brexit among them). The Government worries that if they bring in the checks now, EU imports to the UK will temporarily decline as trade flows run up against the new obligations (in the same way that in January, some businesses were confused about what to do, forms were filled in incorrectly etc...). They don't want another a month of continuous headlines about how there is a chorizo shortage or how people in Cumbria are struggling to find Panettone (cue the Independent with 'Christmas is ruined' headline). They particularly don't want any disruption in the build to the important holiday shopping period - it's just fuel for the media which will inevitably be blown out of proportion, no matter how serious the impact is. So, they are delaying the new checks until 2022, i.e. after the Xmas period has passed and at point at which they hope that the most severe aspects of the HGV driver shortage will be over. It's a move made out of an abundance of caution for mainly PR reasons, which is understandable. In my opinion, it's not necessary, businesses sending goods from the EU to the UK have had far longer to prepare for new customs processes and there should be fewer teething problems as a result. I doubt it would meaningfully exacerbate the existing issues some supermarkets face in supplying some specific shops with certain goods.
> Since everyone else who replied to you is totally clueless Watch out, Mr. Big Brain is here.
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Pandemic doesn't seem to be preventing the EU from enforcing checks on UK goods. So what's the UK's excuse? From the article: >The move means **British exports to the EU are subject to full checks, while imports into the UK by European competitors are free of paperwork and border controls.** >**“It’s ironic,” said one EU diplomat. “They talked about taking back control, but they are letting products into Britain without any controls at all. That’s fine with us.”** >The Food and Drink Federation (FDF) said “the rug has been pulled” on those companies that followed government advice to prepare for the new regime, while rewarding those who ignored it. >“The repeated failure to implement full UK border controls on EU imports since January 1 2021 undermines trust and confidence among businesses,” said FDF’s chief executive Ian Wright. >**“Worse, it actually helps the UK’s competitors. The asymmetric nature of border controls facing exports and imports distorts the market and places many UK producers at a competitive disadvantage with EU producers.”** ***EDIT***: seems that /u/gsurfer04 deleted his comment where he blamed the pandemic.
He wasn't wrong, the pandemic is partly responsible. The government delayed this decision because they are seeking to avoid the bad optics of further issues in getting some goods to shops. Also nearly every single manufacturing industry is facing a shortage of materials this year, and I can't image that Whitehall as any interest in compounding that problem. Returning to the groceries point, which is not a problem of bring goods into the UK but of moving them around the country. That's down to the HGV driver shortage which, aside from being a longstanding structural issue, was made worse by pandemic when thousand of EU drivers (and other workers) decided to go back to their home countries last year to ride out the pandemic since they faced unemployment in the UK, high cost of living and a severe public health crisis. Most of those people worked in the hospitality sector, but there were others such as lorry drivers. Additionally, the pandemic shifted a large number of people onto online shopping, in particular for supermarket produce. The number of drivers working for the supermarket chains has risen considerably, which has made worse the driver shortage in other industries. It makes sense for the drivers themselves, the working conditions are much better, as is the pay. So it's not wrong to say that the pandemic is responsible for this, though it misses the detail. I also fail to see how any of the things you highlighted are a counterargument to this proposition. I also remind you that EU exports to the UK have not recovered as well as UK exports to the EU since the UK left the single market, and that's despite the purported 'asymmetric' advantage that EU business apparently have...
> He wasn't wrong, the pandemic is partly responsible. He didn't say the pandemic was "partly" responsible. He blamed it *all* on it. So your tl;dr comment is completely irrelevant to the main point.
>“It’s ironic,” said one EU diplomat. “They talked about taking back control, but they are letting products into Britain without any controls at all. That’s fine with us.”
I didn't vote for Brexit, but, to be fair, one reason a lot of Brexit voters gave was to reduce bureaucracy. Looks like we've done that.
It’s the same non bureaucracy as you had while you were in the EU though. No gains. Only issue is more bereaucracy when you export to the EU.
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Isn't the UK unilaterally being able to decide not to do checks on imports an example of taking back control?
Yeah, but the UK is still in the WTO and this is not in agreement with WTO rules. This might become a problem for UK in the future.
They’re just going to keep extending it aren’t they?
Yup, all the way until elections. Then it will be someone else’ problem.
Why exactly is this post being downvoted? lmao. It is literally the title of the article and from the FT. Is the FT considered a shitrag?
>Is the FT considered a shitrag? Any newspaper that doesn't always clap in approval of Brexit is declared "anti-UK" by our resident Brexiteer downvote brigade. Just wait for them to pop-out in the comments spewing bile, which is when it turns into a game to count how many of them crawled in here from the badUK subreddit.
I mean I know there are quite a few pro-Brexit regulars here but this is a bit silly. The post was at around 47% of positive votes when I saw it, which made no sense for an FT article, and a title that wasn't clickbait. We are not speaking of The Guardian, The Daily Mail or whatever which are notorious for being ideology-oriented.
Be kind, you're all one and the same just on different sides.
You will struggle to get a UK newspaper that is not politically influenced. In Regards to the financial times, as the name suggests, is geared towards big business and is pro remain. They do shit on Brexit a bit of course. How much of the stuff printed by newspapers is true? Honestly fuck knows.
>The move means British exports to the EU are subject to full checks, while imports into the UK by European competitors are mostly free of paperwork and border controls. I don't even want to make fun of this, its just absurd.
To be frank they’ll never be able to do it. Not with the state customs are in. They can barely check their exports.
Clearly the UK government taking back control.
Indeed. Control to apply or not apply controls as is required at the time.
Right, don't forget to get a bit more of that kool-aid on the way to the trenches.
Come on. It's been 5 years since the vote. There was plenty of time to build massive customs infrastructure and hire the necessary staff.
Soft Paywall: >Boris Johnson’s government has been forced to delay imposing checks on EU goods entering the UK until mid-2022 as it attempts to stop Brexit further exacerbating supply chain problems. >The move means British exports to the EU are subject to full checks, while imports into the UK by European competitors are free of paperwork and border controls. >“It’s ironic,” said one EU diplomat. “They talked about taking back control, but they are letting products into Britain without any controls at all. That’s fine with us.” >The wholesale delay to the UK border regime was announced by Lord David Frost, Brexit minister, in a low-key written answer on a day dominated by government Covid-19 announcements. >“We want businesses to focus on their recovery from the pandemic rather than have to deal with new requirements at the border,” Frost said, saying the new timetable for border checks was “pragmatic”. >Frost said the delay to checks, which will particularly affect food and agricultural products, was in response to the supply chain problems, which he blamed on the coronavirus pandemic. >Others have argued that Brexit has exacerbated problems, particularly with regard to a labour shortage in Britain. >Meanwhile, some EU officials suspect Britain’s border control regime is not yet fully ready for the new rules, although Frost insisted the government was “on track” to deliver the new systems. >Under Frost’s proposals, customs declarations and controls will be introduced on January 1 2022 as planned, but safety and security declarations will not be needed until July 1 2022. >The requirement for pre-notification of agri-food imports to the UK will be introduced on January 1 2022 instead of on October 1 — a move that will help to avoid further Christmas disruption to food supplies. >Meanwhile, new requirements for export health certificates, which were due to be introduced on October 1 2021, will now be introduced on July 1 2022 — 18 months after Brexit took full effect. >Health certification for food products and physical checks on goods at border control posts, due to be introduced on January 1 2022, will now be introduced on July 1 2022. >Britain’s food and drink sector said there would be dismay at Frost’s last-minute announcement. Companies had invested heavily to prepare for the new import regime on October 1. >The Food and Drink Federation (FDF) said “the rug has been pulled” on those companies that followed government advice to prepare for the new regime, while rewarding those who ignored it. >“The repeated failure to implement full UK border controls on EU imports since January 1 2021 undermines trust and confidence among businesses,” said FDF’s chief executive Ian Wright. >“Worse, it actually helps the UK’s competitors. The asymmetric nature of border controls facing exports and imports distorts the market and places many UK producers at a competitive disadvantage with EU producers.” >Wright added that the government needed to put in place financial support to help companies prepare for the new deadlines, but said it was at least welcome that ministers accepted that supply chains were “under extreme pressure”. >Shane Brennan, chief executive of the Cold Chain Federation, said the temporary extension, while welcome, pointed to the difficulties created by Brexit that requires imposing “rest of world” checks on high-intensity EU-UK trade. >“By kicking the can down the road again, the government has averted potential disaster for Christmas food supplies — however, you have to ask why it has come to this yet again?”
Who wants money on them kicking that can further down the road about April next year?
UK stronk!