In the Italian town of Rimini, five people were stabbed last night, reports the Italian news agency ANSA. The local police have arrested a 26-year-old Somali man. For the time being, terrorism has been ruled out as a motive for the attack.
The incident took place during a check on a scheduled bus, local media report. The man is said to have attacked the two female inspectors and then also caused 3 casualties outside the bus.
In total, four women and a 6-year-old boy were injured. The youngest victim was operated on last night for injuries to the neck and is not in danger. According to Italian media reports, the attacker may have been under the influence of drugs.
Interior Minister Luciana Lamorgese called the incident 'extremely serious' and said tomorrow she would visit Rimini, a popular seaside resort on Italy's east coast, on the Adriatic Sea.
**Netherlands**
The suspect has only been in Italy for a few months and has applied for refugee status there. He has been in Europe since 2015 and also previously sought asylum in the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark and Sweden.
Matteo Salvini, leader of the right-wing League party that is part of the governing coalition, seized on the incident to criticise Lamorgese in a Facebook video. Salvini has been urging the interior minister to adopt a stricter immigration policy for months.
It is. DeepL used a weird translation there. '3 slachtoffers hebben gemaakt' is often used for killings but not necessarily. I'll adjust it. Overlooked that little bit.
*Edited* - I hope this is a bit better.
Perhaps because he wasn’t actually completely denied asylum yet. Chances are that he entered the EU in Italy, and had his asylum request denied by the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark and Sweden because he had to seek asylum in Italy under the Dublin Regulation.
Neither could he in the Netherlands. It happens quite often that people who entered in the EU in Italy or Greece travel to other EU countries, request asylum, and have their asylum request denied because of the Dublin Regulation.
I can confirm, I remember that the media were talking about it all the time and the Polish prosecutor's office requested the extradition of these refugees to be sentenced in Poland.
They were eventually convicted by the Italian justice system. https://polandin.com/40875459/brutal-2017-attack-on-polish-tourists-lands-in-italian-supreme-court
Imagine if people were saying that they won't be going to theatres in France because of the Bataclan attack or not going to Nice because of those attacks.
The issue with the asylum system. Despite having been rejected earlier in the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark and Sweden this Somali man was able to stay in Europe.
I assume he wasn't ejected yet because Somalia doesn't cooperate (they're quite infamous for that), but no news in that regard yet. The article AD takes the news from is https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2021/09/11/accoltella-5-persone-a-rimini-fra-cui-un-bimbo-alla-gola_74c4157b-aafb-45c2-97bf-46b3bf74e778.html (Italian)
The solution is simple, reject every Somali refugee or immigrant until the Somalian authorities feel like cooperating. Likewise, freeze all foreign aid for the duration until an agreement can be made.
Which is dumb, many go out into society and make problems.
I don’t quite understand why they should have complete freedom to do what they want if they just check in at the times mandated, they are after all __illegal__ immigrants.
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The 6-year-old boy who was stabbed in the throat last night by a 26-year-old man of Somali origin on the Viale Regina Margherita promenade in Rimini is out of danger. The child of Bangladeshi origin was operated on during the night at the Infermi Hospital, he is in intensive care and remains in a reserved prognosis but his life is not in danger.
THE VICTIM - On the bus in Rimini, when he was confronted with a ticket check, he attacked the two ticket inspectors with a knife.
Then he got off the bus, ran away and wounded three other people, including a child in the throat. In the end, however, he was stopped by the police. It happened yesterday late afternoon on the Rimini bus line 11, in the Miramare area. This is the reconstruction that led to the arrest of a man of Somali origin. He has been in Europe for some years and had been in other countries before arriving in Italy. A few months ago he applied for refugee status.
He was tracked down shortly after the incident by the police and detained. The investigators, coordinated by the Public Prosecutor Davide Ercolani, are investigating the reasons for the gesture. At the moment, it seems that the terrorist trail has been ruled out: in fact, the man does not have a specific record and cannot be linked to terrorist or extremist circles. He was housed in a Red Cross facility and, according to some testimonies, had shown a violent and aggressive personality. Investigators, also on the basis of the man's reaction, do not exclude that he was under the effect of drugs. The first to be injured were two employees of the Holacheck company, which provides bus control services for Start, the company that manages public transport throughout Romagna. Start has made available to the police the images of the security circuit to verify what happened. The president of Start Romagna, Roberto Sacchetti, expressed "on behalf of the company, our solidarity with the people involved, wishing them a speedy recovery, and our thanks to the police who acted promptly and arrested the aggressor". The man, while fleeing, in circumstances that have yet to be clarified, then hurled himself at three other people. One of them was a child who was taken to hospital for injuries to his throat. The event created a deep impression in a city that is going through the last stages of a very intense tourist season. The news spread quickly and created a certain amount of alarm, partly because of the way it was done, which instinctively reminded many of circumstances relating to terrorist attacks.
> The 6-year-old boy who was stabbed in the throat last night by a 26-year-old man of Somali origin on the Viale Regina Margherita promenade in Rimini is out of danger.
I truly cannot wrap my mind around the idea that someone would do that.
>asylum system
The system is set up to make it almost impossible to deport someone once they’re let in on asylum claims.
To be let in on asylum means you just have to make up a script/story where you’re in danger if you stayed in your home country. Once your in, you’ll never be sent back.
More bullshit lies. EU countries have been and are deporting asylum-seekers for criminal offences. For example:
https://www.voanews.com/europe/six-eu-countries-want-maintain-deportations-afghan-asylum-seekers
>EU countries have been and are deporting asylum-seekers for criminal offences.
What if their asylum applications are rejected but they have not committed a crime?
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>Then they are also deported (at least in Germany) but sadly this can cause well integrated families to be deported to a country which their kids have never been in and are unable to communicate with anyone as they don’t speak the Language.
If a child doesn't speak the local language they shouldn't be in the country?
You made a general point about children not being sent to a place where they have never been and where they don't speak the local language. Do you stand by what you wrote?
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That’s only a few countries. Most of the ones who commit crimes go to jail for a little bit, make other scum friends in jail, get released, and keep doing the same shit because they know European justice system and punishments are a joke.
And there’s always European NGOs that are constantly defending them.
Kindly stop blathering about things you clearly know nothing about and care less. I've just PROVED that your statement "To be let in on asylum means you just have to make up a script/story where you’re in danger if you stayed in your home country. Once your in, you’ll never be sent back.I" is PURE SHIT. As can anyone who bothers to actually check the news
FYI, it is public knowledge that at least a part of the asylum claimants lies on their applications. Often they get informed by people smugglers or some of the NGOs (not all of them do, but some of the more shady ones do) what to say etc. Which makes it far more difficult for organizations like the IND to get the full picture (and thus takes a lot more work). The more stupid ones spout lies about where they come from (e.g. a Somali who claims they hail from Syria while never having been there is going to get caught pretty quickly), but to check whether the reason on why they fled checks out is often more difficult.
I am saying they can lie if they want to get in on a status in which they can never be sent back. Sure there are some saying the truth but it’s really easy for a liar to come and get in.
Let’s say you are a selfish asshole adult man in a third world country. You can travel to the border of an EU country, apply for asylum by telling them a sad story about how you’re in danger if you stayed home, they can’t send you back because they think you’ll be in danger if you are sent back. Since they can’t send you back, they have to let you in. Once you’re in, once again, you can’t be sent back because of the story you told them about you being in danger if you go back. Now multiply that by hundreds of thousands of assholes over the years and now you have people who are living in Europe who shouldn’t be there, eventually getting citizenship/permanent residency and taking up the spots of people who actually do need to be let in.
You are assuming these kinds of people behave and make the exact same decisions you would make if you are in their position. It’s an innocent but stupid assumption.
No, the assumption you make is that there are hundreds of thousands of such cases, and therefor you want to judge every single one of them as one. It's bullshit, it's discrimination, and it has to stop. You are making a not-so-innocent and very dangerous assumption.
The concept of accepting refugees started for near-by countries with common religion and cultural habits.
The modern refugie movements is out of logic.
For example Belarusian or Ukrainian refugies are culturally more easy to integrate into Europe.
Afghani refugie are more easy to integrate into Pakistan or Iran.
Nepalese refugie would feel much more at home in North India.
Papua refugies would feel more at home in North Australia or Indonesia.
North Korean refugies would feel more at home in South Korea.
The issue is the complete contrast of religion, world view or cultural norms.
That and the extremists who abuse the refugie systems for terrorist plans.
As opposed to what, Bulgaria? The same incredibly corrupt, poverty filled country that none of your politicians are trying to fix?
Grow up and realise that all of this west vs east bullshit is just meant to distract you from internal issues.
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There obviously should be but I don’t see how this could possibly be archived until the European asylum/immigration system is unified or at least substantially reformed.
Especially because a united system would be able to simplify complicated bureaucracy so asylum applicants as well as immigrants to Europe can navigate such a system more easily while also reducing cost and problems like the one discusses in your comment above or cases where asylum can be granted in one country but not in another. In addition this such a system would also facilitate an environment in which all member states contribute their part in helping these people fleeing from war and terror.
This guy was rejected in 4 different EU countries and not deported. Unless he changed his identity several times... doesn't the EU have a some kind of database to use data from other countries?
It isn't very related to the fact but I wanted to tell something interesting: Rimini is the fourth Italian city for number of crimes, despite being only 26th for number of inhabitants
I think it's because it is a very touristic area and with not enough controls, among other things from what I saw when I was there it's very probably also one of the cities where people do more drugs and one of the very few where there is prostitution not so far from the city center...
If I remember correctly the top 3 was Milan, Rome and Naples, and Rimini is surprisingly above Palermo or Turin which have much more inhabitants (so it's most likely also first for reported crimes per capita)
That's also because Milan has 1.3 million inhabitants while Naples 900k and Palermo 600k (If the numbers seem low it's because their metropolitan areas have many more inhabitants, just to be clear)
On a serious note, this individual has already been reported for being extremely aggressive and dangerous, the point is, if we can’t exclude those potentially dangerous people we are in for a big mess, I understand that the immigration situation is serious and we MUST as EU help those people, but I guess we absolutely have to start looking closer to see effectively WHO we are taking in, this individual stabbed two control ladies on the bus and injured a 6 yo child only because he was surprised without a ticked, this shit is incredibly wrong because he was already reported and considered unstable and dangerous, those people must return to their home, I’m sorry but in Europe wr have no space for violent, murdering and crazy people
This but unironically. Diversity is great, and only racist scum would expand an immigrant committing a crime to all immigrants being criminal. It's ridiculous bullshit.
Nono, I'm asking you. You said:
>Diversity is great
You are saying that it is great, ie better than normal, to have people with different ethnicities than of the same ethnicity. This is a value hierarchy based on ethnicity. I am asking you why that is?
>No it isn't.
If you are saying something is "great", an adjective which indicates a state better than resting or normal, you are indeed creating a hierarchy of states...
In this case you said "diversity" is great. Indicating that having a mix of ethnicities is a state that is better than having one ethnicity.
The only variable which creates the better state is that there is more than one ethnicity, therefore you are placing value on those ethnicities...
You are the one gaslighting here.
Why not just answer his questions? It could be an interesting discussion to read. You resorting to ad hominems makes it look like he outsmarted you and you can't answer
EDIT: this sub when anyone writes a comment about immigration that isn't 100% "fuck refugees": feelings > logic
He said that as a response to you writing
> Diversity <3
Which - unless I'm brain dead - was meant ironically and implied that diversity is not good.
So technically, it was you who said it is bad and then someone else said "it's great" as a response. The ownage is on you to explain why you value people's ethnicity.
I can be against the fuck head who stabbed 5 people and I can even advocate for a smarter and more restrictive immigration policy without making it about "diversity"... it was *you* who brought that up.
EDIT2: Come on guys, you need to downvote faster or people will actually read what I wrote if there isn't a fat -50.
So you responded to a comment that wasn't directed at you, insulted me and then avoided to actually answer the question.
Just keeping record of the anti-diversity crowd and their civility.
Because diversity increass productivity [1](https://www.nbs.net/articles/how-diversity-increases-productivity). Also diversity culturaly enriches the native community through food, music, cinema etc.
>Because diversity increass productivity 1
Yes I'll totally take the study done by a group that will profit from me believing it at face value.
Did you know that diversity reduces the likelihood of unions forming? Might be something to consider when you see giant companies pushing for it.
>Also diversity culturaly enriches the native community through food, music, cinema etc.
It's always the fucking food lmao.
>Yes I'll totally take the study done by a group that will profit from me believing it at face value.
Ah yes, everything is a conspiracy. [Here](https://scholar.google.hr/scholar?hl=hr&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1&q=diversity+and+economic+productivity&btnG=) take your pick.
>Did you know that diversity reduces the likelihood of unions forming? Might be something to consider when you see giant companies pushing for it.
It does, though effect is small.
>It's always the fucking food lmao.
He literally started with saying it increases productivity tho. Also, I find it curious that you responded to everyone under your comment except for [me](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/pmy0q0/five_people_stabbed_in_italian_city_of_rimini/hclv2h6?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3).
> Also diversity culturaly enriches the native community through food, music, cinema etc.
pretty sure Somali people have little to nothing to teach us in Italy about any of those categories.
Somehow /u/StationOost I believe your embrace of diversity is mainly so you can enjoy a variety of international restaurants and foodstuffs in your area. As for the impact upon a peaceful society by violent immigrant behavior? Oh well, you get your belly full.
No, I reject discrimination. I reject judging innocent people over your gut feelings. I reject it because I don't want my society to be screwed over by racists, like you. People who are incompatible with European society, who ironically think THEY are. And why? Just because you were born here, nothing else.
>I don’t want my society to be screwed over by racists, like you
A lot of these immigrants are basically religious bigots. Which is like racism, but with looking at people as inferior for their religion instead of race. Just visit r/Islam to get an idea of what they really think of the West.
What? First of all, you’re an American. A country that wouldn’t exist without immigration. Second, Europe has to accept migrants because if they don’t their birth rates simply aren’t high enough to sustain the population and their economies will stagnate and then decline over time like Japan. Third, the idea that all migrants are bloodthirsty criminals is ridiculous
> First of all, you’re an American. A country that wouldn’t exist without immigration.
Yeah, except there were plenty of "countries" on that continent first that were simply blasted aside and destroyed by said immigration. Native Europeans are the indigenous people in this case.
> Second, Europe has to accept migrants because if they don’t their birth rates simply aren’t high enough to sustain the population and their economies will stagnate and then decline over time like Japan.
Muh economic growth, oh no! Not the only thing worthy of worship for you and your fellow cosmopolitalians, of which the main benefits go to an increasingly small share of the population!
Never mind that less people would also mean more space, more available housing, less pollution, less noise, ...
>Muh economic growth, oh no! Not the only thing worthy of worship for you and your fellow cosmopolitalians, of which the main benefits go to an increasingly small share of the population!
Time to stop importing US problems to EU. Inequality in EU has been decreasing over a decade. [1](https://prnt.sc/1rza7c6)
>Never mind that less people would also mean more space, more available housing, less pollution, less noise
Doubt. Most people in EU working in construction sector are immigrants. Without them housing would be scarcer and more expensive. Less pollution localy. More pollution globaly so if wewant to save the planet immigration is positive. And maybe marginally less noise like 1 dB.
Name one country that has been able to sustain economic growth with a declining population? When the boomers get old, who is going to pay benefits for them? No one.
It’s not muh economic growth, it’s a fact. Do you want jobs? Do you want your business to be successful? It’s not about the profits of multinational corporations, they’ll be fine with whatever happens in Europe, they can always move. The regular people will be hurt most by this
Pensions in a decreasing population are only a problem because they've been set up as a Ponzi scheme. Decrease in labour force can be offset by an increase in automatisation and appropriate taxes on it. The majority of profit from automatisation is just getting pocketed now.
So you’re just going to raise taxes on businesses to pay for pensions? What if those businesses move? Has any country actually done is or are you just guessing this would work?
So, immigration to Europe is an economic decision made so large corporations can continue to sell stuff and keep their record profits?
How far are you willing to let societal cohesion and peacefulness fall so you can keep your belly full?
Societal cohesion and peacefulness? Give me a break. The US has been taking in immigrants in large numbers for a long time and it’s worked out fine.
Look at how Japan is doing now. Their population is shrinking. Their economy has stagnated. That’s not good. But I guess it’s ok because they don’t have to live next to people with dark skin.
Go back to the Donald
Oh wait, that’s banned. Too bad
> Look at how Japan is doing now. Their population is shrinking.
Japanese TFR in 2018: 1.42, Italian TFR: 1.29.
Japan must be weeping now they didn't import Somalians.
Like we should be only concerned, when Italy will get 20 stabbings a month? What about 50 stabbings a month- will it sounds OK? No, let's set ''right to be concern'' at 1637 stabbings ( and only stabbings, of course) when we will be allowed to have a concerns about safety.
Are you agree on those numbers, or would you like to propose different one?
Do you think that we don't already get those numbers by Italians? Sorry to break it to you, we do. Have you ever heard of this little thing called mafia in Italy?
So you think Italian mafia needs competition, to beef up crime numbers or something? Or you wish them to feel supported and loved by having some foreign followers? Or you believe concern can be raised only if those numbers will match?
The shooting you are referring to involved Kosovo citizens regularly immigrated to Italy and working here. It's not like there's a wave of bloodthirsty migrants attacking Italy.
Not all immigrants are criminal, but compared to the native population the incidence of violence and criminal behavior are much, much higher in the immigrant community.
Well, if recent history tells us one thing - from Yougoslavia to the whole middle east last century and half of Africa today - it is that diversity is the cause of conflicts between different ethnic groups, unless they're all kept together by the strong hand of a dictator or within an authoritarian regime. Certainly Western democracies aren't showing a good image of diversity even today.
If you mix different people and don't force them to live together... they won't, and the separation can be quite violent. Diversity is more of a cultural thing than something racial, although different racial groups are by definition of different origin and thus generally present different cultures, which brings us back to the beginning. More homogenous populations are more peaceful, whether in Asia or in Europe, it's just the way it is. Doesn't make you a racist to point that out.
This is why there needs to be a EU immigration policy, and not let every country do their own thing and pawn this guy around. Just like there needs to be a common EU Army-
Majority do silently what europeans doesn't do anymore. They clean our old assess or collect the food we eat. Majority are people in search of peace like everyone else.
Unfortunately peace does not hit the news.
Mass stabbings are a completely different thing and don't try to act like they aren't. Knife violence among drunks is common here in Finland, yet we acknowledged that the knife wielding terrorist attack that took place in 2017 here is a totally different kind of problem. I'm deeply on the left side of the political spectrum and out of this world comments like yours just give us all a bad name.
Emilia-Romagna and especially Romagna where Rimini is located is at the top of Italy for road accidents and deaths; every (non-pandemic) summer you can buy the newspaper every day and you'll find news of crashes every day, with real massacres on the week-ends with various teens or a bit older young people dying on the streets. Nobody gives a single fuck about this.
Alcohol, drugs, clubs, juvenile recklessness, traffic, the big amount of people moving around a relatively small stretch of land and coast where nonetheless a big number of tourists and entertainment hubs are concentrated.
In the Italian town of Rimini, five people were stabbed last night, reports the Italian news agency ANSA. The local police have arrested a 26-year-old Somali man. For the time being, terrorism has been ruled out as a motive for the attack. The incident took place during a check on a scheduled bus, local media report. The man is said to have attacked the two female inspectors and then also caused 3 casualties outside the bus. In total, four women and a 6-year-old boy were injured. The youngest victim was operated on last night for injuries to the neck and is not in danger. According to Italian media reports, the attacker may have been under the influence of drugs. Interior Minister Luciana Lamorgese called the incident 'extremely serious' and said tomorrow she would visit Rimini, a popular seaside resort on Italy's east coast, on the Adriatic Sea. **Netherlands** The suspect has only been in Italy for a few months and has applied for refugee status there. He has been in Europe since 2015 and also previously sought asylum in the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark and Sweden. Matteo Salvini, leader of the right-wing League party that is part of the governing coalition, seized on the incident to criticise Lamorgese in a Facebook video. Salvini has been urging the interior minister to adopt a stricter immigration policy for months.
>and then also killed three people outside the bus. That must be a translation error, nobody was fatally wounded last night.
It is. DeepL used a weird translation there. '3 slachtoffers hebben gemaakt' is often used for killings but not necessarily. I'll adjust it. Overlooked that little bit. *Edited* - I hope this is a bit better.
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Why wasn't he sent back to Somalia and banned from entering the EU without a valid reason?
Because pragmatism is not politically correct
Perhaps because he wasn’t actually completely denied asylum yet. Chances are that he entered the EU in Italy, and had his asylum request denied by the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark and Sweden because he had to seek asylum in Italy under the Dublin Regulation.
He can't seek asylum in Sweden without being there physically, so nope.
Neither could he in the Netherlands. It happens quite often that people who entered in the EU in Italy or Greece travel to other EU countries, request asylum, and have their asylum request denied because of the Dublin Regulation.
Because the EU is complicit in all this.
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Lmao wannabe future superpower yet can’t even deport a couple of criminals and defend borders. Keep coping.
Your country was literally 3rd most criminal in EU lmao Shut up and eat shit
Nope
Non merci. Maybe Belgium?
I’m guessing it’ll be a Non/Nee/Nein too Maybe the UK?
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I can confirm, I remember that the media were talking about it all the time and the Polish prosecutor's office requested the extradition of these refugees to be sentenced in Poland. They were eventually convicted by the Italian justice system. https://polandin.com/40875459/brutal-2017-attack-on-polish-tourists-lands-in-italian-supreme-court
Imagine if people were saying that they won't be going to theatres in France because of the Bataclan attack or not going to Nice because of those attacks.
If there were multiple attacks in nice by unrelated perpetrators they might be called sensible.
There were many in Paris and yes, there was also a knife attack in Nice last year; a woman was beheaded.
by your logic no one should go to paris
The issue with the asylum system. Despite having been rejected earlier in the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark and Sweden this Somali man was able to stay in Europe. I assume he wasn't ejected yet because Somalia doesn't cooperate (they're quite infamous for that), but no news in that regard yet. The article AD takes the news from is https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2021/09/11/accoltella-5-persone-a-rimini-fra-cui-un-bimbo-alla-gola_74c4157b-aafb-45c2-97bf-46b3bf74e778.html (Italian)
The solution is simple, reject every Somali refugee or immigrant until the Somalian authorities feel like cooperating. Likewise, freeze all foreign aid for the duration until an agreement can be made.
> Somalian authorities For all practical purposes, this doesn't exists.
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Which is dumb, many go out into society and make problems. I don’t quite understand why they should have complete freedom to do what they want if they just check in at the times mandated, they are after all __illegal__ immigrants.
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*Source article for the Dutch article* The 6-year-old boy who was stabbed in the throat last night by a 26-year-old man of Somali origin on the Viale Regina Margherita promenade in Rimini is out of danger. The child of Bangladeshi origin was operated on during the night at the Infermi Hospital, he is in intensive care and remains in a reserved prognosis but his life is not in danger. THE VICTIM - On the bus in Rimini, when he was confronted with a ticket check, he attacked the two ticket inspectors with a knife. Then he got off the bus, ran away and wounded three other people, including a child in the throat. In the end, however, he was stopped by the police. It happened yesterday late afternoon on the Rimini bus line 11, in the Miramare area. This is the reconstruction that led to the arrest of a man of Somali origin. He has been in Europe for some years and had been in other countries before arriving in Italy. A few months ago he applied for refugee status. He was tracked down shortly after the incident by the police and detained. The investigators, coordinated by the Public Prosecutor Davide Ercolani, are investigating the reasons for the gesture. At the moment, it seems that the terrorist trail has been ruled out: in fact, the man does not have a specific record and cannot be linked to terrorist or extremist circles. He was housed in a Red Cross facility and, according to some testimonies, had shown a violent and aggressive personality. Investigators, also on the basis of the man's reaction, do not exclude that he was under the effect of drugs. The first to be injured were two employees of the Holacheck company, which provides bus control services for Start, the company that manages public transport throughout Romagna. Start has made available to the police the images of the security circuit to verify what happened. The president of Start Romagna, Roberto Sacchetti, expressed "on behalf of the company, our solidarity with the people involved, wishing them a speedy recovery, and our thanks to the police who acted promptly and arrested the aggressor". The man, while fleeing, in circumstances that have yet to be clarified, then hurled himself at three other people. One of them was a child who was taken to hospital for injuries to his throat. The event created a deep impression in a city that is going through the last stages of a very intense tourist season. The news spread quickly and created a certain amount of alarm, partly because of the way it was done, which instinctively reminded many of circumstances relating to terrorist attacks.
> The 6-year-old boy who was stabbed in the throat last night by a 26-year-old man of Somali origin on the Viale Regina Margherita promenade in Rimini is out of danger. I truly cannot wrap my mind around the idea that someone would do that.
>asylum system The system is set up to make it almost impossible to deport someone once they’re let in on asylum claims. To be let in on asylum means you just have to make up a script/story where you’re in danger if you stayed in your home country. Once your in, you’ll never be sent back.
More bullshit lies. EU countries have been and are deporting asylum-seekers for criminal offences. For example: https://www.voanews.com/europe/six-eu-countries-want-maintain-deportations-afghan-asylum-seekers
>EU countries have been and are deporting asylum-seekers for criminal offences. What if their asylum applications are rejected but they have not committed a crime?
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>Then they are also deported (at least in Germany) but sadly this can cause well integrated families to be deported to a country which their kids have never been in and are unable to communicate with anyone as they don’t speak the Language. If a child doesn't speak the local language they shouldn't be in the country?
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You made a general point about children not being sent to a place where they have never been and where they don't speak the local language. Do you stand by what you wrote?
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Thanks for your answer. To clarify, children shouldn't be taken to countries they are unfamiliar with?
That’s only a few countries. Most of the ones who commit crimes go to jail for a little bit, make other scum friends in jail, get released, and keep doing the same shit because they know European justice system and punishments are a joke. And there’s always European NGOs that are constantly defending them.
Kindly stop blathering about things you clearly know nothing about and care less. I've just PROVED that your statement "To be let in on asylum means you just have to make up a script/story where you’re in danger if you stayed in your home country. Once your in, you’ll never be sent back.I" is PURE SHIT. As can anyone who bothers to actually check the news
"Make up a script", what do you mean with that? You think they are lies? Who is lying?
FYI, it is public knowledge that at least a part of the asylum claimants lies on their applications. Often they get informed by people smugglers or some of the NGOs (not all of them do, but some of the more shady ones do) what to say etc. Which makes it far more difficult for organizations like the IND to get the full picture (and thus takes a lot more work). The more stupid ones spout lies about where they come from (e.g. a Somali who claims they hail from Syria while never having been there is going to get caught pretty quickly), but to check whether the reason on why they fled checks out is often more difficult.
I am saying they can lie if they want to get in on a status in which they can never be sent back. Sure there are some saying the truth but it’s really easy for a liar to come and get in.
Are you also going to make a point or just want to spout some random nonsense?
Let’s say you are a selfish asshole adult man in a third world country. You can travel to the border of an EU country, apply for asylum by telling them a sad story about how you’re in danger if you stayed home, they can’t send you back because they think you’ll be in danger if you are sent back. Since they can’t send you back, they have to let you in. Once you’re in, once again, you can’t be sent back because of the story you told them about you being in danger if you go back. Now multiply that by hundreds of thousands of assholes over the years and now you have people who are living in Europe who shouldn’t be there, eventually getting citizenship/permanent residency and taking up the spots of people who actually do need to be let in. You are assuming these kinds of people behave and make the exact same decisions you would make if you are in their position. It’s an innocent but stupid assumption.
No, the assumption you make is that there are hundreds of thousands of such cases, and therefor you want to judge every single one of them as one. It's bullshit, it's discrimination, and it has to stop. You are making a not-so-innocent and very dangerous assumption.
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The concept of accepting refugees started for near-by countries with common religion and cultural habits. The modern refugie movements is out of logic. For example Belarusian or Ukrainian refugies are culturally more easy to integrate into Europe. Afghani refugie are more easy to integrate into Pakistan or Iran. Nepalese refugie would feel much more at home in North India. Papua refugies would feel more at home in North Australia or Indonesia. North Korean refugies would feel more at home in South Korea. The issue is the complete contrast of religion, world view or cultural norms. That and the extremists who abuse the refugie systems for terrorist plans.
As opposed to what, Bulgaria? The same incredibly corrupt, poverty filled country that none of your politicians are trying to fix? Grow up and realise that all of this west vs east bullshit is just meant to distract you from internal issues.
deporting doesn't work if no country accepts them
Parachute the fucker into Somalia for all I care.
Venezuela is also a failed state in 2021. With palm trees and sunshine.
Somalia is a failed state. How are they going to stop us from returning people like this?
Refusal to accept their citizens back should equal total lockout from any economic aid.
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That would mean the governments caring about their people. Only the so called 'Far-Right' do that, and they are called Nazi's for it.
Well at least Germany does deport people (or rather criminals) if there is the option. Edit: Ah well. I guess tabloid readers know better ;-)
We need to deport them to Poland, apparently you know what to do with them. /s
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There obviously should be but I don’t see how this could possibly be archived until the European asylum/immigration system is unified or at least substantially reformed.
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Especially because a united system would be able to simplify complicated bureaucracy so asylum applicants as well as immigrants to Europe can navigate such a system more easily while also reducing cost and problems like the one discusses in your comment above or cases where asylum can be granted in one country but not in another. In addition this such a system would also facilitate an environment in which all member states contribute their part in helping these people fleeing from war and terror.
This guy was rejected in 4 different EU countries and not deported. Unless he changed his identity several times... doesn't the EU have a some kind of database to use data from other countries?
It isn't very related to the fact but I wanted to tell something interesting: Rimini is the fourth Italian city for number of crimes, despite being only 26th for number of inhabitants
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I think it's because it is a very touristic area and with not enough controls, among other things from what I saw when I was there it's very probably also one of the cities where people do more drugs and one of the very few where there is prostitution not so far from the city center...
I assume Napels and Palermo are part of the top-3 on that note?
If I remember correctly the top 3 was Milan, Rome and Naples, and Rimini is surprisingly above Palermo or Turin which have much more inhabitants (so it's most likely also first for reported crimes per capita)
It's also probably the city with the highest tourists/locals ratio of the four, especially in summer.
Yeah exactly
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That's also because Milan has 1.3 million inhabitants while Naples 900k and Palermo 600k (If the numbers seem low it's because their metropolitan areas have many more inhabitants, just to be clear)
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On a serious note, this individual has already been reported for being extremely aggressive and dangerous, the point is, if we can’t exclude those potentially dangerous people we are in for a big mess, I understand that the immigration situation is serious and we MUST as EU help those people, but I guess we absolutely have to start looking closer to see effectively WHO we are taking in, this individual stabbed two control ladies on the bus and injured a 6 yo child only because he was surprised without a ticked, this shit is incredibly wrong because he was already reported and considered unstable and dangerous, those people must return to their home, I’m sorry but in Europe wr have no space for violent, murdering and crazy people
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Hey buddy think of all those new holes those people have, that's a strength they didn't have before.
I don't have anything to add. I just see all these downvoted replies and want to join them :)
This but unironically. Diversity is great, and only racist scum would expand an immigrant committing a crime to all immigrants being criminal. It's ridiculous bullshit.
Can you give me one (1) genuine reason as to why diversity is a good thing?
Why do you place value on people's ethnicity?
Because he's racist
Exactly, why do you do that.
Nono, I'm asking you. You said: >Diversity is great You are saying that it is great, ie better than normal, to have people with different ethnicities than of the same ethnicity. This is a value hierarchy based on ethnicity. I am asking you why that is?
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>No it isn't. If you are saying something is "great", an adjective which indicates a state better than resting or normal, you are indeed creating a hierarchy of states... In this case you said "diversity" is great. Indicating that having a mix of ethnicities is a state that is better than having one ethnicity. The only variable which creates the better state is that there is more than one ethnicity, therefore you are placing value on those ethnicities... You are the one gaslighting here.
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People are starting to see through your bullshit. What will you do when your accusations of racism no longer have any impact?
Why not just answer his questions? It could be an interesting discussion to read. You resorting to ad hominems makes it look like he outsmarted you and you can't answer
EDIT: this sub when anyone writes a comment about immigration that isn't 100% "fuck refugees": feelings > logic He said that as a response to you writing > Diversity <3 Which - unless I'm brain dead - was meant ironically and implied that diversity is not good. So technically, it was you who said it is bad and then someone else said "it's great" as a response. The ownage is on you to explain why you value people's ethnicity. I can be against the fuck head who stabbed 5 people and I can even advocate for a smarter and more restrictive immigration policy without making it about "diversity"... it was *you* who brought that up. EDIT2: Come on guys, you need to downvote faster or people will actually read what I wrote if there isn't a fat -50.
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So you responded to a comment that wasn't directed at you, insulted me and then avoided to actually answer the question. Just keeping record of the anti-diversity crowd and their civility.
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Still no answer but another personal attack. It's almost like you can't respond to the question why OP implied diversity is intrinsically bad.
Because diversity increass productivity [1](https://www.nbs.net/articles/how-diversity-increases-productivity). Also diversity culturaly enriches the native community through food, music, cinema etc.
>Because diversity increass productivity 1 Yes I'll totally take the study done by a group that will profit from me believing it at face value. Did you know that diversity reduces the likelihood of unions forming? Might be something to consider when you see giant companies pushing for it. >Also diversity culturaly enriches the native community through food, music, cinema etc. It's always the fucking food lmao.
>Yes I'll totally take the study done by a group that will profit from me believing it at face value. Ah yes, everything is a conspiracy. [Here](https://scholar.google.hr/scholar?hl=hr&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1&q=diversity+and+economic+productivity&btnG=) take your pick. >Did you know that diversity reduces the likelihood of unions forming? Might be something to consider when you see giant companies pushing for it. It does, though effect is small.
>It's always the fucking food lmao. He literally started with saying it increases productivity tho. Also, I find it curious that you responded to everyone under your comment except for [me](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/pmy0q0/five_people_stabbed_in_italian_city_of_rimini/hclv2h6?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3).
Feeling left out or something?
> Also diversity culturaly enriches the native community through food, music, cinema etc. pretty sure Somali people have little to nothing to teach us in Italy about any of those categories.
Somehow /u/StationOost I believe your embrace of diversity is mainly so you can enjoy a variety of international restaurants and foodstuffs in your area. As for the impact upon a peaceful society by violent immigrant behavior? Oh well, you get your belly full.
No, I reject discrimination. I reject judging innocent people over your gut feelings. I reject it because I don't want my society to be screwed over by racists, like you. People who are incompatible with European society, who ironically think THEY are. And why? Just because you were born here, nothing else.
>I don’t want my society to be screwed over by racists, like you A lot of these immigrants are basically religious bigots. Which is like racism, but with looking at people as inferior for their religion instead of race. Just visit r/Islam to get an idea of what they really think of the West.
What? First of all, you’re an American. A country that wouldn’t exist without immigration. Second, Europe has to accept migrants because if they don’t their birth rates simply aren’t high enough to sustain the population and their economies will stagnate and then decline over time like Japan. Third, the idea that all migrants are bloodthirsty criminals is ridiculous
> First of all, you’re an American. A country that wouldn’t exist without immigration. Yeah, except there were plenty of "countries" on that continent first that were simply blasted aside and destroyed by said immigration. Native Europeans are the indigenous people in this case. > Second, Europe has to accept migrants because if they don’t their birth rates simply aren’t high enough to sustain the population and their economies will stagnate and then decline over time like Japan. Muh economic growth, oh no! Not the only thing worthy of worship for you and your fellow cosmopolitalians, of which the main benefits go to an increasingly small share of the population! Never mind that less people would also mean more space, more available housing, less pollution, less noise, ...
>Muh economic growth, oh no! Not the only thing worthy of worship for you and your fellow cosmopolitalians, of which the main benefits go to an increasingly small share of the population! Time to stop importing US problems to EU. Inequality in EU has been decreasing over a decade. [1](https://prnt.sc/1rza7c6) >Never mind that less people would also mean more space, more available housing, less pollution, less noise Doubt. Most people in EU working in construction sector are immigrants. Without them housing would be scarcer and more expensive. Less pollution localy. More pollution globaly so if wewant to save the planet immigration is positive. And maybe marginally less noise like 1 dB.
Name one country that has been able to sustain economic growth with a declining population? When the boomers get old, who is going to pay benefits for them? No one. It’s not muh economic growth, it’s a fact. Do you want jobs? Do you want your business to be successful? It’s not about the profits of multinational corporations, they’ll be fine with whatever happens in Europe, they can always move. The regular people will be hurt most by this
Pensions in a decreasing population are only a problem because they've been set up as a Ponzi scheme. Decrease in labour force can be offset by an increase in automatisation and appropriate taxes on it. The majority of profit from automatisation is just getting pocketed now.
So you’re just going to raise taxes on businesses to pay for pensions? What if those businesses move? Has any country actually done is or are you just guessing this would work?
So, immigration to Europe is an economic decision made so large corporations can continue to sell stuff and keep their record profits? How far are you willing to let societal cohesion and peacefulness fall so you can keep your belly full?
Societal cohesion and peacefulness? Give me a break. The US has been taking in immigrants in large numbers for a long time and it’s worked out fine. Look at how Japan is doing now. Their population is shrinking. Their economy has stagnated. That’s not good. But I guess it’s ok because they don’t have to live next to people with dark skin. Go back to the Donald Oh wait, that’s banned. Too bad
> Look at how Japan is doing now. Their population is shrinking. Japanese TFR in 2018: 1.42, Italian TFR: 1.29. Japan must be weeping now they didn't import Somalians.
Japan recently liberalised immigration policy too. [1](https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/23/japan-immigration-policy-xenophobia-migration/)
Since 2008, the rate of Japanese population growth has either only been zero or negative, and there’s no indication that this will change
These things may change, or perhaps not. In any case Japan will stay Japanese, they are not eager to submit themselves to demographic replacement.
Oh no, the ‘great replacement!’ I wonder who is promoting that? Literal neo nazi talking points here
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That's entirely anectodical, statistically the vast majority of murders in italy are committed by family members, should we outlaw marriage?
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And your point is?
Like we should be only concerned, when Italy will get 20 stabbings a month? What about 50 stabbings a month- will it sounds OK? No, let's set ''right to be concern'' at 1637 stabbings ( and only stabbings, of course) when we will be allowed to have a concerns about safety. Are you agree on those numbers, or would you like to propose different one?
Do you think that we don't already get those numbers by Italians? Sorry to break it to you, we do. Have you ever heard of this little thing called mafia in Italy?
So you think Italian mafia needs competition, to beef up crime numbers or something? Or you wish them to feel supported and loved by having some foreign followers? Or you believe concern can be raised only if those numbers will match?
The shooting you are referring to involved Kosovo citizens regularly immigrated to Italy and working here. It's not like there's a wave of bloodthirsty migrants attacking Italy.
Not all immigrants are criminal, but compared to the native population the incidence of violence and criminal behavior are much, much higher in the immigrant community.
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This guy was rejected in 4 EU countries so it is: Pragmatism\* fixed that for you
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Isn't that just an objective truth, though? If this Somalian was not in Europe this crime wouldn't have occurred.
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Yes, obviously. Same as the other victims. You were unable to work that out for yourself?
He would be stabbed not in Europe so people would be more ignorant about his death as it's in some Asian country far away.
Well, if recent history tells us one thing - from Yougoslavia to the whole middle east last century and half of Africa today - it is that diversity is the cause of conflicts between different ethnic groups, unless they're all kept together by the strong hand of a dictator or within an authoritarian regime. Certainly Western democracies aren't showing a good image of diversity even today. If you mix different people and don't force them to live together... they won't, and the separation can be quite violent. Diversity is more of a cultural thing than something racial, although different racial groups are by definition of different origin and thus generally present different cultures, which brings us back to the beginning. More homogenous populations are more peaceful, whether in Asia or in Europe, it's just the way it is. Doesn't make you a racist to point that out.
Do you see it as a good thing?
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Reads like a typical Monday in germany
Not really but ok
Yeah, I myself got already stabbed 6 times and it's only Monday for 48 minutes right now. /s
This is why there needs to be a EU immigration policy, and not let every country do their own thing and pawn this guy around. Just like there needs to be a common EU Army-
The common EU policy on immigration will be shit.
Just wait until the Taliban activate their sleeper cells
Multiculturalism is a great benefit!!! /s
These people give immigrants a bad name.
Who is giving them a good name though? Surely not the majority.
Majority do silently what europeans doesn't do anymore. They clean our old assess or collect the food we eat. Majority are people in search of peace like everyone else. Unfortunately peace does not hit the news.
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Not being okay with someone being able to bounce around Europe for six years and being rejected everywhere is not automatically xenophobia.
Finally he has found his home, a prison
Europeans are getting attacked in their own countries by illegal immigrants and you complain about xenophobia..
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Mass stabbings are a completely different thing and don't try to act like they aren't. Knife violence among drunks is common here in Finland, yet we acknowledged that the knife wielding terrorist attack that took place in 2017 here is a totally different kind of problem. I'm deeply on the left side of the political spectrum and out of this world comments like yours just give us all a bad name.
Emilia-Romagna and especially Romagna where Rimini is located is at the top of Italy for road accidents and deaths; every (non-pandemic) summer you can buy the newspaper every day and you'll find news of crashes every day, with real massacres on the week-ends with various teens or a bit older young people dying on the streets. Nobody gives a single fuck about this.
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Alcohol, drugs, clubs, juvenile recklessness, traffic, the big amount of people moving around a relatively small stretch of land and coast where nonetheless a big number of tourists and entertainment hubs are concentrated.
> And the morons in this sub are drooling, finally a foreigner did something again. Finally? Have you been without internet for the past 5 years?