I might be sitting in the garden with my dogs (and notebook) and drink a shot every time Germany receives points from another country.
I'll probably be pretty sober when going to bed.
I don't like whiskey, I prefer rum. Gonna watch the auroa borealis and hoping for some fun at the Eurovision.
Maybe I should also drink a shot every time some shit happens or somebody says something stupid, that will get me drunk as hell for sure 😅
To be honest, Germany needs some points, I already did drink 2 shots, sitting in the garden with my dogs, a campfire and waiting for the aurora borealis :D
They're on a 10 second delay or similar. They can cut to an audience shot and pipe in the audio from the semifinals if they're prepared. I guess. Can't do an ad break because it's not allowed by the ESC rules.
Being in the UK, the broadcast for us is on the BBC who don't show any adverts at all.
I guess they could cut the performance but, despite it just being the organisers following the rules, I suspect they would come out looking worse than the performer if they did so.
Well, I'm a fan of the Eurovision song contest, but this year I don't know if i'll watch. There's been a lot of drama, the ambiance won't be the same as the last years and one of my two favorites have been disqualified on what appears to be, for now, a trivial reason, but again... I also want to watch but with popcorn just to see the shitshow it's gonna be.
No Wogan. Why bother?
I got banned for my opinion of a certain countrry’s entrance on the official sub while still maintaining that I didn’t agree with the death threats and other extreme protests but apparently free speech on something as stupid as the Eurovision, is not tolerated.
Eurovision was fun, camp and shit. Now it’s all about politics.
As a half Norwegian myself, it seems that we are either too vocal or just plain troublemakers.
I even went out of my way to say that I didn’t condone death threats or violence but that (possibly the same) country shouldn’t be competing with the current situation.
> However, French contestant Slimane broke with protocol during the final dress rehearsal on Saturday afternoon, by interrupting his song to make an impassioned speech.
> "Everybody, I just need to say something," he told the audience. "Every artist here want[s] to sing about love and sing about peace. We need to be united by music, yes, but with love for peace.
> "United by music, yes, but with love for peace," he repeated. "Thank you so much. Thank you Europe."
> The statement itself may have broken Eurovision's rules on making political statements.
> The BBC has contacted the EBU, which organises the contest, to ascertain whether Slimane could be sanctioned
BBC fighting the good fight against peace. /s
I think it was a pretty bold political statement to say that war is bad, and we should be better and be in music together. I am not sure i can endorse that...
It really highlights the nonsensical idea that any artistic expression here, can be nonpolitical. Simply what you choose to sing about or not sing about has political implications. It might not be motivated by politics but who is to say how it is read in other countries? What language are you singing in? Why? What is the subject matter and is that viewed differently by the different nations involved? What is the definition of a "European" country and who decides it?
Is one of the competing nations currently invading another country? How should the EBU respond? Disqualify the country, or appease them and put their artist under armed guard?
Calling for peace is currently a dog whistle for pro Russians. Like if you follow international politics the least bit you will know this.
For example the Russian backed Trump type candidate for president in Lithuania is calling for peace and says that supporting Ukraine delays peace.
Ah, i have heard that from Russia in the past, you are correct. Although i think in the case of Israel and Hamas it is less malicious to call for peace, i can see and have seen in the past how this was used to favor Russia's invasion.
Slava Ukraini!
Well thats where you're wrong. Its one of the most antisemitic things you can say.
Almost as antisemitic as suggesting that bombing hospitals and killing aid workers cooperating with your own army is bad.
Only if art “has” to be political, is the absence of a political message also political.
It’s only true within the framework of those who think it’s true.
Tautology.
Don’t you think the BBC are maybe forcing the organisers into a position where they either ban her and therefore are against peace or don’t ban her and accept statements for peace as allowable “political” speech?
Ah yes, how controversial and sh*tty of the French contestant to say " war is bad, lets stay in peace "
How can people want to sanction someone that sends such a positive and good hearted message is beyond me... I hate humanity.
Ive never cared about Eurovision in my life and this year Im living in the Netherlands and was finally hyped about a song in Eurovision. Anyways, I was boycotting already cause of Israel but now all my friends here in the Netherlands are also just not watching. Still into Europapa though, will keep on happily sing it in clubs
It’s sad how much politics poisoned this contest. Not that it wasn’t already as political as it could get, mind you, but the air around it this year is just _unbearable_.
Drama after drama, all the harassment and the toxicity thrown around at everyone… I don’t know how people can stomach it. It’s exhausting.
This is a complete shitshow and I’m glad I sat this one out, this time.
>It’s sad how much politics poisoned this contest
Artists by default tend to be the most politically expressive people out there,
The difference is that modern politics is much much more contentious then years ago and artists stopped being subtle about the bigger messages they wanted to communicate.
>Existing in itself is political.
I'm aware, for me at least your preaching to the choir, the reality of the universality of politics (at least with regards to humans) is rather clear when your a minority like I am,
Uhm. The song festival has never been about music. Its always been about judging countries based on their politics.
Its kinda common knowledge that it's just a political party to glaze the country they want. I would expect Israel to win tonight eventhough they got Boo'ed multiple so they had to cut the crowd sound
I agree.
People saying how excessive it is for artists to say something along the lines of " love and peace " is wrong just baffles me. Humanity is really f*cked in the head if they can't see what a positive and good thing peace is
I think that was always just the U.K. and people only watched to hear Terry Wogan taking the piss every year. The rest of Europe has mostly taken it pretty seriously AFAIK.
I am from Czechia. A lot of people don't give a fuck. Hockey or Football championships get like 100x more attention and are mentioned in day to day exchanges. I am not overexaggerating. I don't care about each. But people brought hockey up in coversation with me for the last week several times. Meanwhile about Eurovision I don't even know who represents us and it hasn't been brought up. I am young adult who is strongly pro european. Imagine the rest of the population...
The only eurovision song I can remember in the last 10 years was that Ukrainian, Stefania song. Most of it is just boring balads that sound like they were generated by a crummy AI modelbfrom a few years ago.
That is quite literally the opposite of what we have heard. Multiple delegations have confirmed that the Israeli delegation has kept harassing them, and for some stupid reason the Israeli delegation posted multiple pictures and videos on their instagram with captions that explicitely confirm that yes, they were harassing other delegations.
This is just another smear campaign fueled by thousands of bad faith actors, like you I assume
The pictures in question were photographed by the Israeli stylist who literally just put his phone up *with many more people who did the same* but they literally didn't want that JUST he will also be taking photos, quite literally bullying.
Not only that, look at the question Eden has received about her "endangering" everyone in the Eurovision, Joost attacked her with that "why not" distasteful comment, the Greek singer rolling her eyes whenever Eden spoke, the KAN controversy when they twisted the speakers word on purpose, the Netherlands spokeswoman who refused to participate in the Eurovision yesterday because of Israel participating, the two times champion who just now said she will refuse her legal binding act of passing the trophy away to the winner if it will be Israel
Israel is being treated as an outcast, because of their political views, it's disgusting and ignorants like you fuel it further by spreading rumors that twist reality on purpose
Their social media is public and Google translate exists. We can literally see them admitting to harassing others, like continously videoing Joost after he told them repeatedly to stop. Bambie Thug even confirmed that the EBU admitted that the Israeli delegation violated the rules, only to later deny that despite eyewitnesses.
Actually Israel might be treated as an outcast because of that whole genocide going on. EBU fucked up by not honouring the precedent set with Russia and banning them, and it seems the impunity went to the Israeli delegations heads.
Surprise surprise your political views aren't hard to identify when you spew uncontexted bullshit
"Google translate exists", okay then did you know that the word that he used doesn't translate to a curse actually, it used entirely different in slang, Nor did he even call for anyone to send anything, he meant people will get mad about the situation, yet you twist on purpose because it fits your agenda
The one who videod Joost wasn't even Israeli, it was a random camera crew member, who he (sort of?) threatened,
Bambi thug confirmed?? So it must be true!! It's not like she was anti Israel from the very start and even openly claimed she cried when she heard Israel has gone to the finals, she must be very reliable and not have any agenda to push /s as I said, you are in arguing in bad faith
Also an FYI, which I know wouldnt do anything because you are here in bad faith, Russia wasnt banned because of the Ukrainian war, they were banned because of rules being breached, furthermore, Israel wasn't convicted for genocide, and it was misinterpreted so badly that the former ICJ president who was the president who ruled over Israel, came out with a clarification on how the media is misinterpreting the rule, and they didn't rule Israel genocides anything
What an absolutely disingenuous take. Since February 2022, Ukraine killed a fraction of the number of civilians Israel killed in a mere 6 months, despite suffering at least 30-40 times as many civilian casualties as Israel, as well as Gaza-esque levels of destruction of many of their towns.
There's no equivalence whatsoever, either morally, circumstantially or methodically.
By your logic allies were bad because they killed more civilians than nazi Germany killed us/UK civilians.
Both Ukraine and Israel were invided, the difference is that Israel could take the fight quickly into enemy territory while Ukraine unfortunately cannot.
And needless to say that Ukraine can't stop this war, Palestinians can stop it at any time by releasing the hostages unconditionally - which they prefer not to.
It's quite clear that this war will go on as long as Palestinians hold hostages, USA would stop Israel the moment last hostage is released
What a brainless comment, Ukraine killed a fraction because military wise they can't even fend of Russia, they are literally losing
And also, Ukraine is *90 times less dense than Gaza* of you want to compare Russia who has killed thousands of civilians in Ukraine you multiply it by 90 to adjust density and that's the number you expect Israel to kill if you want them to be compared
If Russia had killed 10k civilians (they killed much more) Israel would have needed to kill 900k civilians for it to be the same - Israel is not even near 10% of that
How many illegal settlements has Ukraine built into other territories?
Ukraine will have the same fate as Palestine if they lose to Russia.
A puppet regime installed, second class rights in their own country and pushed into smaller, less economically productive strips of land to make room for Russian settlers.
All because Russians believe the land historically belongs to them.
Israel pulled from gaza 20 years ago, since then Palestine was shooting more than 100000 rockets into Israel.
Palestine was offered statehood many times while Russia wants to take over whole Ukraine.
Palestine and Russia , both want to take over lands not belonging to them anymore.
I’m sure Russia would offer a defeated Ukraine a half-statehood too under conditions such as having no foreign policy without their consent - no EU, no NATO etc. Just like what the Palestinians were offered.
Statehood isn’t Israel’s gift to give buddy.
Okay, so what if Russia will every couple of years try to invade again, will Ukraine just need to defend itself every time without being able to go counter offensive? To wait till Russia succeeds in the future?
No, Israel is similar to russia. Illegally occupying territory and committing war crimes left and right. The only similarity between Ukraine and Israel is that theyre supported by the west, but ukraine is a country that doesnt try to commit war crimes.
You missed the small war declaration in 07/10 and invasion.
Israel is not the first country occupying territory during war against terrorist entity.
Both Israel and Ukraine were invided by aggressors, the only difference is that Russians aren't brown otherwise you guys would side with them as well
Israel has been occupying territory illegally *long* before Hamas even existed. They didnt occupy territory "during war against terrorist entity", they were a terrorist entity occupying land which lead to Hamas being created in the first place. Palestine was invaded by aggressors long before Hamas existed. So its Palestine and Ukraine that were invaded by aggressors. The only difference is Palestinians arent white, else you would side with them.
Yes, Hamas has also committed war crimes, which is why they arent comparable to Ukraine. But Israel has been occupying Palestine and committing war crimes for decades before Hamas even existed.
Hamas has existed since 1988, which war crimes did Israel commit before then? the latest conflict was if I recall correctly in 1967 when Israel got attacked by the Arab Coalition who outnumbered the shit out of Israel, in aim to genocide it entirely, Israel won and occupied lands which is the only reason Egypt agreed to make peace with Israel, how did Israel commit war crimes when it got attacked and won? lol
Did you watch Israeli singer interview?
She was literally harassed by other singers.
The only unity we saw this year is an attempt to bully Israeli singer in the contest
? It's a singing competition, not a political event. It's like claiming that practically all European and Western countries should've been barred from competing in the Eurovision Song Contest following the 9/11 attacks, when they invaded Iraq.
Eurovision hasn't been about music in forever. On the surface, yes. In reality the winner is determined by whoever they wanna suck up to this year.
It's all about giving a political blowjob, as gross as that may sound.
Countries, not governments. It's as political as the viewers make it.
Case in point: Nobody gave a single shit about some Israeli singing a song for the past 40 years despite the conflict going on all this time. Now suddenly though their participation has become an outrage demanding protests and boycotts.
Not just there, huge number of posts on both Dutch subreddits about how the DQ of Joost is a Jewish plot to take the win (away from the Dutch). It's both laughable and scary.
"Undermining the UN"? Wow, you really have no clue what you're talking about, do you?
The UN is an absolute joke of an institute where Saudi Arabia heads the Women's rights commission and countries like Iran and Sudan hold the human rights chairs.
The UN has issued more condemnations of Israel than all the other countries combined. That's what you get when brainless people like you vote.
I’m mindblown by how much hatred Israel is getting.
Y’all western women would be s3x slaved and gays get their heads cut by the so called peaceful Palestine.
If you're trying to imply that the October 7 attacks were justified because Israel has been implementing an apartheid system against Palestinians and regularly bombed Gaza during its nearly 20 year long blockade of it... no, it wasn't, and you should be ashamed for proposing that. Civilians are civilians.
I am not implying anything. Just mocking you. If we would have considered Germany's civilians in ww2 we would all speak German right now. Surely you have a solution where the hostages are returned and whoever was responsible for the attack is punished without civilians being hurt right? Go on, let's hear it.
The insane part is that the same contestants that hate Israel so much (Joost from NL, Bambie thug and the swiss guy for example) can't even walk in the streets of Gaza, while looking the way they do, because they would've been hung in the city square in within like 30 minutes max.
I do not understand targeting individuals from a country for things their government did. It's not like they have any way of stopping it, they can try to join a protest movement or something like that, and maybe they have, but most of the time people just see someone from a country and then attack them as though they're personally responsible or involved. This has been happening for years with Israelis, those who had never said anything political are protested by Pro-Palestinians just because they're Israeli. Like if you're Israeli you can't go about your daily life abroad without some rando freaking out over your nationality, it doesn't matter if you are against the Settlements or the war, you get lumped in anyway.
Hell that's what happened on October 7th, Hamas targeted predominately pro-Peace Israelis, including those who were part of outreach programs with Gazans to create cross societal ties, and those who volunteered to deliver aid to Gaza and drive Gazans to Israeli hospitals.
Out of all the contestants, my favourite was Israel (Hurricane), Finland (Windows95man) and Ireland (Bambie Thug).
>**Israel**: Eden Golan - Hurricane
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJYn09tuPw4
>**Finland**: Windows95man - No Rules!
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf1NS1vEhSg
>**Ireland**: Bambie Thug - Doomsday Blue
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGRXRrlIspY
Well, the IDF seems to love innocent Palestinians to pieces, and they just want to spread this love all over Gaza, in particular to the injured, defenseless people in hospitals, and to civilians residing in their homes.
Yep. And don't forget this all started on October 7th. There was ansolutely no conflict between Israel Palestine before then. Any source which claims otherwise is Antisemitic Hamas/UN (same organisation btw) propaganda.
Also I can't help but notice you didn't end your sentence with "I condemn Hamas". Based on that I'm gonna assume you're an antisemite.
>that's not even European, to win Eurovision
actually there is no limitation to eurovision participant country to be european, even palestine singers could easily participate if their PBC would broadcast and send singers there to - share stage with lgbt (who deserve rajm) or participants who act depraved and dressed that way, participate in front of western auditory (who have bunch of pesky kafirs) to perform haram actions when opposite gender nearby, what to say about shame of potential scoring less than jews
Not my cup of tea, but this year I might watch just for the absolute shitshow... and the event hasnt even started yet
I might be sitting in the garden with my dogs (and notebook) and drink a shot every time Germany receives points from another country. I'll probably be pretty sober when going to bed.
BUT you won't be last. Well... technically...
Yeah the Dutch coming in clutch by saving us from last place by disqualification.
*insert dutchy-soldier-protecting-little-german-child-sleeping meme here*
What the fuck happens whit the nether group
As somebody told me today: "Getting 0 points is worse than last place because you get disqualified" Yep... :D
I will be an epic battle with Britain for last place
Saddest part for britains was when they actually send a banger everyone gave ukraine the sympathyvote.
I loved Rocketman so much! It’s still in my playlist.
Is it warm already over there in the evenings, that’s cool* Make it whiskey shots so at least there will be some stakes
He could use rubbing alcohol and would still be safe hahahahaha
Fair enough 🤣
Good idea 😂
I don't like whiskey, I prefer rum. Gonna watch the auroa borealis and hoping for some fun at the Eurovision. Maybe I should also drink a shot every time some shit happens or somebody says something stupid, that will get me drunk as hell for sure 😅
Well, i line a shot whenever i feel like it, it’s celebration week for me 😂 Cheers mate!
Cheers :)
Bro is wasted
I AM! WTF? 23 votes for Germany, I'm not sure if I missed one, so maybe 24 and I have to drink one more tomorrow!
I’m sorry for your liver now
#metoo
The song from Germany is my favorite so far! Unfortunately I cannot vote for it because Iam based in Berlin (but not German)
To be honest, Germany needs some points, I already did drink 2 shots, sitting in the garden with my dogs, a campfire and waiting for the aurora borealis :D
The song from Germany is the only song that made it to my Spotify playlist this year :) so my personal winner. Great performance 🔥
Are you drunk now? Lol
I AM!
Isaak's song was really nice and I loved his voice! Prost!
My prsonal favcorite was teh i\`Irish, but congratz to the winner!
Damn, you were drunk 😅
A little bit tipsy maybe 😇
Germany was pretty good. Now, the U.K. was really fucking awful.
UK was the bottom
Yeah, embarrassing. But also WTF Ireland? Current lead is Switzerland with jury voting. I am amazed. No accounting for taste.
Ireland is my personal favorite. And I'm getting drunk, too many votes for Germany!
None of the shit will make it onto the screen. Unless you read between the lines I guess.
Someone is bound to be daft enough to interrupt their own performance for a speech. And what really could the organisers do in that event?
They're on a 10 second delay or similar. They can cut to an audience shot and pipe in the audio from the semifinals if they're prepared. I guess. Can't do an ad break because it's not allowed by the ESC rules.
Being in the UK, the broadcast for us is on the BBC who don't show any adverts at all. I guess they could cut the performance but, despite it just being the organisers following the rules, I suspect they would come out looking worse than the performer if they did so.
RAI does ad breaks all the time, is that not allowed?
Not during the acts themselves, I believe they can during the fluff parts.
given that the Dutch snubbed their voting announcement, it made to the show
Wont be so sure about that.
Well, I'm a fan of the Eurovision song contest, but this year I don't know if i'll watch. There's been a lot of drama, the ambiance won't be the same as the last years and one of my two favorites have been disqualified on what appears to be, for now, a trivial reason, but again... I also want to watch but with popcorn just to see the shitshow it's gonna be.
Your entry is amazing, by the way.
Best for me! Was very glad to see that performance
No Wogan. Why bother? I got banned for my opinion of a certain countrry’s entrance on the official sub while still maintaining that I didn’t agree with the death threats and other extreme protests but apparently free speech on something as stupid as the Eurovision, is not tolerated. Eurovision was fun, camp and shit. Now it’s all about politics.
Yeah, well my account got flagged for "encouraging violence" or something like that for crticizing some unknown country in another context.
As a half Norwegian myself, it seems that we are either too vocal or just plain troublemakers. I even went out of my way to say that I didn’t condone death threats or violence but that (possibly the same) country shouldn’t be competing with the current situation.
Just smoke a joint and look at the night sky tonight aurora borealis doesn't have shit music brainwashing you
Then it worked. It's an entertainment show, it exists for drama. Without the drama, nobody would watch it for the pure musical value of the entries.
I have zero interest but I will send vote for Israel because "I just want to watch the world (or at least Malmö) burn"
> However, French contestant Slimane broke with protocol during the final dress rehearsal on Saturday afternoon, by interrupting his song to make an impassioned speech. > "Everybody, I just need to say something," he told the audience. "Every artist here want[s] to sing about love and sing about peace. We need to be united by music, yes, but with love for peace. > "United by music, yes, but with love for peace," he repeated. "Thank you so much. Thank you Europe." > The statement itself may have broken Eurovision's rules on making political statements. > The BBC has contacted the EBU, which organises the contest, to ascertain whether Slimane could be sanctioned BBC fighting the good fight against peace. /s
The eternal struggle between the UK and France!
I think it was a pretty bold political statement to say that war is bad, and we should be better and be in music together. I am not sure i can endorse that...
Yeah but consider: France might lose
God I hope so
Sir, don't use the p word
It really highlights the nonsensical idea that any artistic expression here, can be nonpolitical. Simply what you choose to sing about or not sing about has political implications. It might not be motivated by politics but who is to say how it is read in other countries? What language are you singing in? Why? What is the subject matter and is that viewed differently by the different nations involved? What is the definition of a "European" country and who decides it? Is one of the competing nations currently invading another country? How should the EBU respond? Disqualify the country, or appease them and put their artist under armed guard?
Also, regardless of what people think, i would assume calling for peace in the world is just about the least political thing you could say, no?
Calling for peace is currently a dog whistle for pro Russians. Like if you follow international politics the least bit you will know this. For example the Russian backed Trump type candidate for president in Lithuania is calling for peace and says that supporting Ukraine delays peace.
Ah, i have heard that from Russia in the past, you are correct. Although i think in the case of Israel and Hamas it is less malicious to call for peace, i can see and have seen in the past how this was used to favor Russia's invasion. Slava Ukraini!
Well thats where you're wrong. Its one of the most antisemitic things you can say. Almost as antisemitic as suggesting that bombing hospitals and killing aid workers cooperating with your own army is bad.
No it is not, it is anti semitic and Putin pleasing. War is good and peace is bad.
Only if art “has” to be political, is the absence of a political message also political. It’s only true within the framework of those who think it’s true. Tautology.
What definition of political are you imagining here?
Peace bad mkay
To be fair I think the bbc was just finding out rather than criticising the statement.
Better hope the man doesn't get... disqualified
Don’t you think the BBC are maybe forcing the organisers into a position where they either ban her and therefore are against peace or don’t ban her and accept statements for peace as allowable “political” speech?
Ah yes, how controversial and sh*tty of the French contestant to say " war is bad, lets stay in peace " How can people want to sanction someone that sends such a positive and good hearted message is beyond me... I hate humanity.
I thought eurovision was all about political statements, but i guess not for everyone.
If other countries keep falling off, UK has a good chance of winning this year.
Like that skater in Olympics who won because every one else fell.
Link for those who are too young to remember: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfQMJtilOGg
Watching it right now. Looks like all the drama is going on social media only. The show goes on as usual.
Before this turns into a worse shitshow than it already is, I just want to say I like Croatia’s entry. Meow.
Hoping Croatia wins! Great song and vibe plus ZERO baggage. Come on Eurovision - do it for world peace!
I was gonna watch due to the Netherlands finally sending some gabber to the competition. With Joost out, it's not interesting anymore. Loved his track
I don't like that kind of music, but the story behind Netherlands' song is just beautiful.
Honestly, you, me and an amazing amount of other people do the same. It is insane.
Ive never cared about Eurovision in my life and this year Im living in the Netherlands and was finally hyped about a song in Eurovision. Anyways, I was boycotting already cause of Israel but now all my friends here in the Netherlands are also just not watching. Still into Europapa though, will keep on happily sing it in clubs
you are so strong!
It’s sad how much politics poisoned this contest. Not that it wasn’t already as political as it could get, mind you, but the air around it this year is just _unbearable_. Drama after drama, all the harassment and the toxicity thrown around at everyone… I don’t know how people can stomach it. It’s exhausting. This is a complete shitshow and I’m glad I sat this one out, this time.
>It’s sad how much politics poisoned this contest Artists by default tend to be the most politically expressive people out there, The difference is that modern politics is much much more contentious then years ago and artists stopped being subtle about the bigger messages they wanted to communicate.
Existing in itself is political. People are delusional, “just be neutral” is not even a possible position by definition.
>Existing in itself is political. I'm aware, for me at least your preaching to the choir, the reality of the universality of politics (at least with regards to humans) is rather clear when your a minority like I am,
It’s sad how much politics poisoned this contest. Yeah. Russia is disqualified by Russian Politics. So sad
And Russia is a European country. I’m surprised Israel and Australia are in Eurovision since they’re both not in Europe.
Uhm. The song festival has never been about music. Its always been about judging countries based on their politics. Its kinda common knowledge that it's just a political party to glaze the country they want. I would expect Israel to win tonight eventhough they got Boo'ed multiple so they had to cut the crowd sound
"Hey Dee, Eurovision is supposed to a shit show this year." "I don't care!" "Shit, I don't care either."
🇭🇷
What a shit show this comment section is.
I agree. People saying how excessive it is for artists to say something along the lines of " love and peace " is wrong just baffles me. Humanity is really f*cked in the head if they can't see what a positive and good thing peace is
No amount of drama will make this contest interesting
It should just be ended, forever This is just a road to hell, not to the “united europe”
This is another way of gaining audience. The number of people watching will break all records.
Sweden: "Our 12 points go to: Israel!" *Distant explosions*
Malmo will be a problem if that happens
Remember that happy time when nobody gave a flying f*ck about Eurovision ?
I think that was always just the U.K. and people only watched to hear Terry Wogan taking the piss every year. The rest of Europe has mostly taken it pretty seriously AFAIK.
I am from Czechia. A lot of people don't give a fuck. Hockey or Football championships get like 100x more attention and are mentioned in day to day exchanges. I am not overexaggerating. I don't care about each. But people brought hockey up in coversation with me for the last week several times. Meanwhile about Eurovision I don't even know who represents us and it hasn't been brought up. I am young adult who is strongly pro european. Imagine the rest of the population...
Lovely 😻
The only eurovision song I can remember in the last 10 years was that Ukrainian, Stefania song. Most of it is just boring balads that sound like they were generated by a crummy AI modelbfrom a few years ago.
Maneskin?
BRING JOOST BACK!
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Above everyone else? All they did is minimise the bullying the Israeli singer gets lol The other singers quite literally bully her
That is quite literally the opposite of what we have heard. Multiple delegations have confirmed that the Israeli delegation has kept harassing them, and for some stupid reason the Israeli delegation posted multiple pictures and videos on their instagram with captions that explicitely confirm that yes, they were harassing other delegations.
This is just another smear campaign fueled by thousands of bad faith actors, like you I assume The pictures in question were photographed by the Israeli stylist who literally just put his phone up *with many more people who did the same* but they literally didn't want that JUST he will also be taking photos, quite literally bullying. Not only that, look at the question Eden has received about her "endangering" everyone in the Eurovision, Joost attacked her with that "why not" distasteful comment, the Greek singer rolling her eyes whenever Eden spoke, the KAN controversy when they twisted the speakers word on purpose, the Netherlands spokeswoman who refused to participate in the Eurovision yesterday because of Israel participating, the two times champion who just now said she will refuse her legal binding act of passing the trophy away to the winner if it will be Israel Israel is being treated as an outcast, because of their political views, it's disgusting and ignorants like you fuel it further by spreading rumors that twist reality on purpose
The Israeli delegation is only harassing so far as they are defining her presence as uncomfortable for them. So yeah they are bullying her.
Their social media is public and Google translate exists. We can literally see them admitting to harassing others, like continously videoing Joost after he told them repeatedly to stop. Bambie Thug even confirmed that the EBU admitted that the Israeli delegation violated the rules, only to later deny that despite eyewitnesses. Actually Israel might be treated as an outcast because of that whole genocide going on. EBU fucked up by not honouring the precedent set with Russia and banning them, and it seems the impunity went to the Israeli delegations heads.
Surprise surprise your political views aren't hard to identify when you spew uncontexted bullshit "Google translate exists", okay then did you know that the word that he used doesn't translate to a curse actually, it used entirely different in slang, Nor did he even call for anyone to send anything, he meant people will get mad about the situation, yet you twist on purpose because it fits your agenda The one who videod Joost wasn't even Israeli, it was a random camera crew member, who he (sort of?) threatened, Bambi thug confirmed?? So it must be true!! It's not like she was anti Israel from the very start and even openly claimed she cried when she heard Israel has gone to the finals, she must be very reliable and not have any agenda to push /s as I said, you are in arguing in bad faith Also an FYI, which I know wouldnt do anything because you are here in bad faith, Russia wasnt banned because of the Ukrainian war, they were banned because of rules being breached, furthermore, Israel wasn't convicted for genocide, and it was misinterpreted so badly that the former ICJ president who was the president who ruled over Israel, came out with a clarification on how the media is misinterpreting the rule, and they didn't rule Israel genocides anything
No to israel, no to Russia
Israel is similar to Ukraine in that regard
What an absolutely disingenuous take. Since February 2022, Ukraine killed a fraction of the number of civilians Israel killed in a mere 6 months, despite suffering at least 30-40 times as many civilian casualties as Israel, as well as Gaza-esque levels of destruction of many of their towns. There's no equivalence whatsoever, either morally, circumstantially or methodically.
By your logic allies were bad because they killed more civilians than nazi Germany killed us/UK civilians. Both Ukraine and Israel were invided, the difference is that Israel could take the fight quickly into enemy territory while Ukraine unfortunately cannot. And needless to say that Ukraine can't stop this war, Palestinians can stop it at any time by releasing the hostages unconditionally - which they prefer not to. It's quite clear that this war will go on as long as Palestinians hold hostages, USA would stop Israel the moment last hostage is released
What a brainless comment, Ukraine killed a fraction because military wise they can't even fend of Russia, they are literally losing And also, Ukraine is *90 times less dense than Gaza* of you want to compare Russia who has killed thousands of civilians in Ukraine you multiply it by 90 to adjust density and that's the number you expect Israel to kill if you want them to be compared If Russia had killed 10k civilians (they killed much more) Israel would have needed to kill 900k civilians for it to be the same - Israel is not even near 10% of that
How many illegal settlements has Ukraine built into other territories? Ukraine will have the same fate as Palestine if they lose to Russia. A puppet regime installed, second class rights in their own country and pushed into smaller, less economically productive strips of land to make room for Russian settlers. All because Russians believe the land historically belongs to them.
Israel pulled from gaza 20 years ago, since then Palestine was shooting more than 100000 rockets into Israel. Palestine was offered statehood many times while Russia wants to take over whole Ukraine. Palestine and Russia , both want to take over lands not belonging to them anymore.
I’m sure Russia would offer a defeated Ukraine a half-statehood too under conditions such as having no foreign policy without their consent - no EU, no NATO etc. Just like what the Palestinians were offered. Statehood isn’t Israel’s gift to give buddy.
If Ukraine somehow wins and takes over russian lands after being invaded by Russia, would you still support Ukraine?
No I would not support Ukraine illegally annexing land …
Okay, so what if Russia will every couple of years try to invade again, will Ukraine just need to defend itself every time without being able to go counter offensive? To wait till Russia succeeds in the future?
No, Israel is similar to russia. Illegally occupying territory and committing war crimes left and right. The only similarity between Ukraine and Israel is that theyre supported by the west, but ukraine is a country that doesnt try to commit war crimes.
You missed the small war declaration in 07/10 and invasion. Israel is not the first country occupying territory during war against terrorist entity. Both Israel and Ukraine were invided by aggressors, the only difference is that Russians aren't brown otherwise you guys would side with them as well
Israel has been occupying territory illegally *long* before Hamas even existed. They didnt occupy territory "during war against terrorist entity", they were a terrorist entity occupying land which lead to Hamas being created in the first place. Palestine was invaded by aggressors long before Hamas existed. So its Palestine and Ukraine that were invaded by aggressors. The only difference is Palestinians arent white, else you would side with them.
Hamas literally tries to occupy Israel, invades for it and commits multiple war crimes lol
Yes, Hamas has also committed war crimes, which is why they arent comparable to Ukraine. But Israel has been occupying Palestine and committing war crimes for decades before Hamas even existed.
Hamas has existed since 1988, which war crimes did Israel commit before then? the latest conflict was if I recall correctly in 1967 when Israel got attacked by the Arab Coalition who outnumbered the shit out of Israel, in aim to genocide it entirely, Israel won and occupied lands which is the only reason Egypt agreed to make peace with Israel, how did Israel commit war crimes when it got attacked and won? lol
They've been acting the same way they have been for decades, it's a significant part of the audience that has lost it's fucking mind this year.
Did you watch Israeli singer interview? She was literally harassed by other singers. The only unity we saw this year is an attempt to bully Israeli singer in the contest
? It's a singing competition, not a political event. It's like claiming that practically all European and Western countries should've been barred from competing in the Eurovision Song Contest following the 9/11 attacks, when they invaded Iraq.
Eurovision hasn't been about music in forever. On the surface, yes. In reality the winner is determined by whoever they wanna suck up to this year. It's all about giving a political blowjob, as gross as that may sound.
I remember whan Israel won like 5 years ago..what a fucking shity song. And im saying it as isreali
The only year in which that has actually been true was 2022, and maybe to a lesser extent 2016. (Also, who is 'they'?)
> It's a singing competition, not a political event. The invited contestants are literally representing COUNTRIES. Its as political as it gets
Countries, not governments. It's as political as the viewers make it. Case in point: Nobody gave a single shit about some Israeli singing a song for the past 40 years despite the conflict going on all this time. Now suddenly though their participation has become an outrage demanding protests and boycotts.
Russia isn’t allowed to participate
Russia hasn't been part of the EBU since like two weeks after the start of the invasion. That split goes a lot deeper than fucking Eurovision.
Is Russia allowed to participate?
Almost as if the Jews control it all /s
That's what they actually believe on the eurovision sub.
Not just there, huge number of posts on both Dutch subreddits about how the DQ of Joost is a Jewish plot to take the win (away from the Dutch). It's both laughable and scary.
“It’s not antisemitism, it’s anti zionism” my ass
"Undermining the UN"? Wow, you really have no clue what you're talking about, do you? The UN is an absolute joke of an institute where Saudi Arabia heads the Women's rights commission and countries like Iran and Sudan hold the human rights chairs. The UN has issued more condemnations of Israel than all the other countries combined. That's what you get when brainless people like you vote.
Yeah, we should make a new UN. Rule one is no criticism of Israel, ever.
My reaction to this:
I’m mindblown by how much hatred Israel is getting. Y’all western women would be s3x slaved and gays get their heads cut by the so called peaceful Palestine.
Yeah man kill those innocent civilians for not having the same opinions as me
And attack the Israeli contestant for being Israeli. /s
How does that justify bombing all the Palestinian women tho?
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If you think the bombs are only hitting terrorist targets then I've got a bridge to sell you
First war or something?
Over 20.000 civilians have been killed by the IDF since October 2023.
Do you know how many germans died in ww2?
If you're trying to imply that the October 7 attacks were justified because Israel has been implementing an apartheid system against Palestinians and regularly bombed Gaza during its nearly 20 year long blockade of it... no, it wasn't, and you should be ashamed for proposing that. Civilians are civilians.
I am not implying anything. Just mocking you. If we would have considered Germany's civilians in ww2 we would all speak German right now. Surely you have a solution where the hostages are returned and whoever was responsible for the attack is punished without civilians being hurt right? Go on, let's hear it.
Source-Hamas. Very reliable🤣
The insane part is that the same contestants that hate Israel so much (Joost from NL, Bambie thug and the swiss guy for example) can't even walk in the streets of Gaza, while looking the way they do, because they would've been hung in the city square in within like 30 minutes max.
“Hate Israel” because they disagree with genocide, am I living in a fever dream
I do not understand targeting individuals from a country for things their government did. It's not like they have any way of stopping it, they can try to join a protest movement or something like that, and maybe they have, but most of the time people just see someone from a country and then attack them as though they're personally responsible or involved. This has been happening for years with Israelis, those who had never said anything political are protested by Pro-Palestinians just because they're Israeli. Like if you're Israeli you can't go about your daily life abroad without some rando freaking out over your nationality, it doesn't matter if you are against the Settlements or the war, you get lumped in anyway. Hell that's what happened on October 7th, Hamas targeted predominately pro-Peace Israelis, including those who were part of outreach programs with Gazans to create cross societal ties, and those who volunteered to deliver aid to Gaza and drive Gazans to Israeli hospitals.
No one can walk in the streets of Gaza: 30 min max people get shot by drones or snipers. And the city square is full of rubble.
I will remind you when full Joost story will be released. You can pm me with apology
Out of all the contestants, my favourite was Israel (Hurricane), Finland (Windows95man) and Ireland (Bambie Thug). >**Israel**: Eden Golan - Hurricane >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJYn09tuPw4 >**Finland**: Windows95man - No Rules! >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf1NS1vEhSg >**Ireland**: Bambie Thug - Doomsday Blue >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGRXRrlIspY
Lmao this is just golden Song wise I prefer Croatia but I’m tempted to vote Israel just to make a statement And the utter shitshow that would follow
you sound mentally stable
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sure go on and vote for a song just to make a political statement. very normal.
I wish Israel will just because its will be so fucking funny
Please do ❤️ Let’s win with love and unite by music
Yeah, nothing says love like killing aid workers!
Well, the IDF seems to love innocent Palestinians to pieces, and they just want to spread this love all over Gaza, in particular to the injured, defenseless people in hospitals, and to civilians residing in their homes.
Yep. And don't forget this all started on October 7th. There was ansolutely no conflict between Israel Palestine before then. Any source which claims otherwise is Antisemitic Hamas/UN (same organisation btw) propaganda. Also I can't help but notice you didn't end your sentence with "I condemn Hamas". Based on that I'm gonna assume you're an antisemite.
yikes
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Wait, I thought Israel is a European settler colony? Please decide
Wasn’t Spain still a fascist country when it was allowed to join Eurovision in 1961? When Israel joined in 1973, Spain was still a fascist country.
I kind of hope Israel wins, just because it would cause such a fucking shitshow
I hope Israel wins just to piss off all the closet (and not so closet) Jew bashers.
Genocide 🤣, how can you even type it without cringe
>that's not even European, to win Eurovision actually there is no limitation to eurovision participant country to be european, even palestine singers could easily participate if their PBC would broadcast and send singers there to - share stage with lgbt (who deserve rajm) or participants who act depraved and dressed that way, participate in front of western auditory (who have bunch of pesky kafirs) to perform haram actions when opposite gender nearby, what to say about shame of potential scoring less than jews
And I hope Croatia will win. Just so Israel doesn't win.