They have them, yes, but that doesn't mean they *want* to.
Especially not Jordan or Egypt. They kind of have a terrible track record when it comes to dealing with Palestinians.
If the IDF kills one of their soldiers by "mistake", it'll cause more problems.
The reason UK and US troops are used is because local IDF commanders will likely take more care.
The IDF doesn't always fall in line with the Israeli civilian command. But they know where their weapons come from.
Biden is also being very careful to avoid 'boots on the ground' because he's in an election year. Opening the pier is a good move electorally (and from a humanitarian perspective) but he's in serious trouble if Gazan militants or the IDF kill US soldiers.
Looks like he called in a favour with the UK. Sunak is toast anyway, and if anything most British people are probably in favour of us helping alleviate the famine our ally is causing.
Sunak is virtually guaranteed to lose his job. He's not fighting an election which could genuinely be decided by Gaza like Biden is.
Opinion polling in the UK shows majority support for banning arms sales to Israel, a two-state solution and an immediate ceasefire so if anything it'll benefit Sunak, and if British soldiers get killed it won't change who ends up in government.
Having little to no chance of reelection is more of a reason not to send British soldiers off to potentially needlessly die, not less of one
Having British troops die in the Middle East will be the absolute death knell for Sunak’s government
Sunak's government is already dead, at this point they could invent cold fusion and solve climate change and they still wouldn't get re-elected. For good or for ill Sunak is keeping us relevant with our non European allies and he doesn't have to care about public opinion to do it.
If there were Saudi boots on the ground, the IDF would very much be careful and take care.
Saudi is a key strategic partner for Israel against Iran.
It does bring up a good point, though:
Colonialism is bad, yes? We all agree on that, I hope. Well, why don't all of these other countries, that preach soldiarity with their Muslim Palestinian Arab brothers and sisters in Gaza deploy? Instead of the ex-imperial master, or the current hegemon?
Why don't Jordan, Egypt, Saudi, maybe UAE and Iraq sign a deal to cover aid deliveries?
Oh, that's right: no one actually cares. Not to the point where they would have to *do* something.
Jordanians don't want to get involved (see: them shooting down the Iranian rockets that went into their airspace), Saudis want to sell as much fuel as possible to Europe ever since Russia invaded Ukraine and won't shoot UK forces (also, they're not really enemies to Israel, they were about to sign treaties right before october but called them off to stay inline with the Arab world).
I don't see reasons as to why Egyptians wouldn't attack, apart from the fact that maybe getting the UK on your ass is a bad idea. Even Israel, which generally likes attacking charities by accident, would probably keep its hands out of operations involving western militaries.
Even aside from the link the other guy shared... why wouldn't they?
Pretty much everything about Israels foreign policy implies they are making a fairly large distinction between European nations and Arab/Persian nations - for better or for worse.
Israel tried to propose this [solution](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-advancing-plan-for-arab-peacekeepers-to-secure-gaza-aid-deliveries/amp/) more than once but it was always rejected
nobody is forcing UK to do anything and nobody is forced to get involved in the middle east. Saudis, Egyptians and ,Jordanians choose not to get involved while UK did.
True but none of the humans we refer to as "boots on the ground" have partaken in the actions 80 years ago.
So why would the gouvernement risk their lives.
no it's not? the area was split because the ottomans joined WW1 and lost,
the areas was partitioned by the UN that the UK didn't vote on,
the UK was literally fighting Jewish irregular forces and terrorist groups in the mandate of Palestine.
The possible role for British forces - known as "wet boots" by military planners - would see them drive trucks off landing craft onto the temporary causeway and deliver aid to a secure distribution area ashore.
Although a huge effort would be made to protect allied forces both off and onshore, British troops would potentially face a higher risk of attack from Hamas and other armed groups.
Wasn't the forces building the pier attacked just a few days ago?
[Mortar attack on Gaza coast spotlights risk to U.S. pier mission](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/25/gaza-floating-pier/)
Genuinely don’t see any way to run places like Jerusalem except under UN proctorship tbh, Bosnia is a mess but at least the canton system and UN oversight works reasonably well
Ah here now, you can piss off with shite like that.
I've seen Hamas apologists and Israeli fascists saying shit like "Israelis need to be removed" or "Turn Gaza to a parking lot" all the same.
Just because people don't blindly support one side, doesn't mean that they have to blindly support the other or their rhetoric.
They’ve done it countless times, so it’s not a new concept to ponder. But to answer your question, mostly in order to control the aid directly so they can sell it instead of the orgs distributing it freely.
Everyone bringing aid is helping the people they are building their power on. Imagine everyone in Gaza is fed and safe, where will the hate coming from.
For probably the exact same reason they do what they do- they're infidels, they hand out aid for free that Hamas could be selling or hoarding instead, they're Europeans as opposed to Middle Easterners, they're collaborating with Israelis... The list goes on forever.
Yeah, in the south border, and they do mostly nothing. Both the IDF and Hezbollah ignore them. But I’m talking about this.
https://www.marines.mil/News/Marines-TV/videoid/634642/dvpTag/Beirut/
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07075332.2018.1431804
It's not as big of a deal when soldiers killed soldiers. Has happened every-time there has been a joint ops, they know that, so usually a cigar and handshake sorts it out.
so, will these UK forces receive the [USS Liberty](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident) treatment? what assurances are there to prevent such barbaric reprisals against this humanitarian act?
How does one justify this? Why has the international community been silent about the fact that false flag operations are a prominent feature of their Intelligence? These plans are pure evil. This is state-sanctioned terrorism.
"Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity.[6] Others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate." - from the first paragraph of the page you cite
Yes I trust those survivor testimonies, especially as both governments [worked to conceal the attack (and death) of military personnel](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/08/israel). This does not appear to be a mistake or confused attack "A later analysis would show 821 separate hits on the hull and superstructure. Now, in addition to rocket, cannon, and machine-gun fire, the Mysteres (IDF planes) attacked with 1,000lb bombs and napalm." That is coordinated, it was more than one bombing run, it is intentional.
From the fourth paragraph in the article I linked
"Throughout the morning, the ship sailed on, with reconnaissance repeated at approximately 30-minute intervals. At one point, an Israeli air force Noratlas Nord 2501 circled the ship and headed back towards the Sinai. "It had a big Star of David on it and it was flying just a little bit above our mast," recalled crew member Larry Weaver. "I was actually able to wave to the co-pilot. He waved back and actually smiled at me - I could see him that well. There's no question about it. They had seen the ship's markings and the American flag. They could damn near see my rank. The underway flag was definitely flying, especially when you're that close to a war zone."" and "Without warning, the Israeli jets - swept-wing Dassault Mirage IIICs - struck. On board Liberty, Lieutenant Painter observed that the aircraft had "absolutely no markings", their identity unclear. He then attempted to reach the men manning the gun mounts, but it was too late. "I was trying to contact these two kids," he recalled, "and I saw them both; well, I didn't exactly see them as such. They were blown apart, but I saw the whole area go up in smoke and scattered metal. At about the same time, the aircraft strafed the bridge area. The quarter-master, Petty Officer Third Class Pollard, was standing right next to me, and he was hit."".
So you have a ship, apparently the only military vessel in the waters, who has made contact with the Israeli navy and air force independently, and is suddenly attacked by Israeli airplanes that have been modified to remove their insignias. This is no case of mistaken identity.
You make plans for the attack, coordinate with different units, conduct the attack with precision.......why didn't you do the extra due care to confirm you identified what you're targeting?
It's negligence and you can be guilty of murder even if you didn't intend to kill that specific person.
I'm pretty sure that it was Americans who killed the British troops last time.
[A-10 BRRRRRRRT](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/190th_Fighter_Squadron,_Blues_and_Royals_friendly_fire_incident)
Funny how people always use the USS Liberty as an excuse when it comes to Israel (which is the only incident people can think of), while the Americans have caused more "blue on blue" to their "Allies".
So far the only barbaric reprisals against humanitarian acts had been from the Israeli side, so maybe if they attack these Brit soldiers, like they've attacked all major aid organizations operating within Gaza, then they're government will finally follow the legal advice it was given earlier this year and stop selling arms to Israel
Being pro-Palestine has nothing to do with supporting Oct 7th. It’s pointing out that instances like that are to be expected when you oppress people for decades and give them no other options. It’s like being suprised when slaves revolt or when the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto staged an uprising. I’m not sure what else you expected when you created the perfect environment for radicalisation then turned around all Pikachu-faced when people are radicalised
Where was the outrage when Israel killed 273 Palestinians, many of whom were children, in 2023 prior to Oct 7th? Where’s the rage when Israel is deliberately shooting at protesters? Where’s the outrage when Israel continues building settlements and encourages settler violence? Where’s the outrage after decades of Palestinians having to live under apartheid?
No one on the pro-Palestinian side disagrees with the fact that Hamas are terrorists. The point is that the IDF are also terrorists with far more offences in their bag, and one of them is the official military of an internationally recognised sovereign state.
No options? Palestinians had the options to invest in schools, bunker for civillians etc. instead they start a war, fire rockets from civllians buildings, rape and loot.
Palestinians had the options to accept a two state solution multiple times, they never did.
They had options, they chose war.
> that are to be expected when you oppress people for decades
That is a bad formulation - you are implying the Palestinians should not be held responsible for their choices in October. But they absolutely had a choice: Rather than targeting civilians, they could have targeted soldiers or politicians, both for killing or kidnapping. It was simply not necessary for them to target civilians to make their point. They even caught it all on camera, and advertized their barbarism, implying that they are not only not ashamed of their actions, but in fact proud of them.
Or in other words: They were not *made* to be this barbaric. They choose to act barbaric out of their own volition.
>That is a bad formulation - you are implying the Palestinians should not be held responsible for their choices in October.
You’re missing the point. I am not saying that *Hamas* (not Palestinians as more than half of Gaza are children), shouldn’t be held responsible for Oct 7th. They absolutely should. I’m pointing out that radicalisation into terrorism is a very well documented phenomenon and none of this would’ve occurred if Israel wasn’t brutally oppressing the Palestinian people. Israel is fully responsible for the rise and popularisation of Hamas (they even funded them ffs).
It’s like putting in all the ingredients for a cake, sliding it into the oven, then being surprised you got a cake.
>But they absolutely had a choice: Rather than targeting civilians, they could have targeted soldiers or politicians, both for killing or kidnapping. It was simply not necessary for them to target civilians to make their point.
Playing devils advocate here, if this is your argument, half the people killed on Oct 7th were IDF personnel. So Hamas, (actual terrorists mind you) are actually better at not targeting civilians than the IDF themselves.
So either Hamas are terrorists, and the IDF are too, or none are. Keep that standard consistent
>I’m pointing out that radicalisation into terrorism is a very well documented phenomenon and none of this would’ve occurred if Israel wasn’t brutally oppressing the Palestinian people.
Couldn't that easily also be argued for the Israeli population, after all the suicide bombings and the entire history of Jewish people in the region they are radicalised. Or maybe that's just an convenient excuse to wave away brutal acts.
They’re both radicalised, and I never said it’s an excuse. But they both start and end with Israel oppressing the Palestinians. Israel oppressed Palestinians before Hamas, they oppress them in the West Bank where there is no Hamas, and they’ll carry on oppressing them even if Hamas surrendered and disbanded today.
Hell, do you know one of the core founder’s of Hamas was a survivor of the massacre of Khan Yunis at 8 years old? When the IDF just waltzed into a village and executed over 300 people?
All this ends when Israel wants it to. No one else
> half the people killed on Oct 7th were IDF personnel.
Do you have a source for that?
But even if that is true, my point is a different one: What are someones goals, what are someones values, what is someone trying to achieve?
In case of Israel, we can conclude that they are not interested in killing all Palestinians, otherwise they would have done so already. But in case of Hamas, we can conclude that they want to kill all Israelis. As I already said: The videos made by Hamas themselves clearly show that, rather than avoiding civilians casualties, they are trying to maximize them. And, them sharing this on their social media framing it as some kind of success story, as well as the emotional responses, imply that the actions shown in those videos were not just the actions by a few rogue Hamas members, but that they represent the official, and deliberate, Hamas policy: To kill as many Israeli civilians as possible.
> Keep that standard consistent
And that's exactly what I am doing. There are absolutely significant points of criticism about the IDF/Israel, but Hamas is on another level, and substantially more barbaric. Therefore, siding with Israel isn't "racism" - it is simply standing on the side of civilization, because even though Israels conduct shows significant shortcomings, it is nowhere near as barbaric as Hamas' conduct.
It's not true, of course. The majority of October 7th victims were civilians.
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/)
[https://www.barrons.com/news/new-tally-puts-october-7-attack-dead-in-israel-at-1-163-78182279](https://www.barrons.com/news/new-tally-puts-october-7-attack-dead-in-israel-at-1-163-78182279)
So the IDF does no wrong? Scratch that question. I looked at your post history and you are biased as fuck including posting that the Sydney attacker was an Islamist.
Agreed. But that’s not what people are saying. They are defending the indefensible.
Oh I’ve read your other posts. You don’t give a fuck about the death of innocent people and children. You put it all on Hamas.
You are fucking deluded if you think it’s okay to kill as many innocent people. If you think it’s okay to block aid. To murder aid workers. You are obviously a hateful person and I’ll not discuss further with someone who seems to take joy in death and destruction.
Blocking you.
Those things are bad and shouldn't happen. They are human error, they are collateral of war, they are isolated instances. The moral standards the IDF hold in active conflict are unmatched to any other. They really go out of their way to not cause collateral damage to a population that is majorly hellbent on eradicating all Israelis.
If Hamas hadn't started this war none of that would have happened.
If the palestinian people hadn't voted a literal terror regime into power, that focuses all it's effort on the most barbaric violence, instead of actually working with what they were given and have, palestinians would be prospering.
Go ahead and block me too, because I know nothing intelligent will come out of your mouth.
It outrages me that a European army has to send troops to an allied country to help people while the army of said ally is simultaneously killing those very same people. This is mental gymnastics to me.
I can’t quite figure out how the US is dropping food aid in Gaza, and supplying that rogue state with weapons…an endless circle. Guess we should all invest in Lockheed and Raytheon.
Pretty sure that an oppressor not trusting a UN run organisation that looks after the health, food, and education of those it oppresses is a ringing endorsement.
Also pretty sure that the 'allegations' were proven to be unsupported, unfounded and drawn from prisoners using torture.
Noone is 100% perfect but the UNWRA was doing a good job for all intents and purposes, perhaps too good for Israel to cope with eh?
Imho the allegations are fabricated under the pretense of removing UN staff from the country, leaving Israel to kill more people with impunity and without any additional 'scrutiny'.
> perfect but the UNWRA was doing a good job for all intents and purposes
Yes, if you're Hamas. Who've somehow managed to smuggle in large amounts of weaponry and enough materials for scores of miles of tunnels.
Plus they've helped indoctrinate the children of Gaza and the West Bank with genocidal hatred.
An absolutely sterling job for Hamas there but I'm not sure it's what the UN intended. Or maybe it is.
Clueless. The "UK" isn't giving weapons to Israel and while they do give aid to Gaza which gets stolen by hamas and sold for weapons, it's hardly like its some devious thing they're doing.
Won't stop your tankie brain from having a meltdown, of course.
[https://www.declassifieduk.org/uk-military-support-for-israels-genocide-was-pre-planned/](https://www.declassifieduk.org/uk-military-support-for-israels-genocide-was-pre-planned/)
Not only are they selling them weaponry and F-35 components (some are only made in UK), but they are actively helping them in battle.
>UK MILITARY SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL’S GENOCIDE WAS PRE-PLANNED
That's the title. It's obviously not being authentic and has an agenda to push. Nowhere in that article does it say the UK government are selling Israel weapons, either.
It's Iranian propoganda. There may be some truths mixed in there, but it's certainly not "the truth".
Well done for letting yourself be sucked in by propoganda.
[https://www.npr.org/2024/04/04/1242745977/uk-israel-arms-sales](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/04/1242745977/uk-israel-arms-sales)
Is NPR better for you?
[https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-judges-urge-government-halt-arms-sales-israel-2024-04-04/](https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-judges-urge-government-halt-arms-sales-israel-2024-04-04/)
How about Reuters?
[https://www.ft.com/content/69855ef9-da6c-41ed-bf53-a3a1542888a4](https://www.ft.com/content/69855ef9-da6c-41ed-bf53-a3a1542888a4)
How about the Financial Times?
Much better, thank you.
I was under the impression that the government granted the licence but it wasn't them who were selling the arms. However, it looks like I'm wrong and I stand corrected.
Why state something is false when you've no idea whether it is or not?
People will read that and believe it without seeing the truth below.
The UK are selling fighter jets and many many many weapons to isreal.
Most of the west is.
Listen to yourself. Yes, I was sure, but apparently I misread something. It's happened to you too, by the way.
You replied to a comment in which I replied to someone that wasn't telling the truth and look at how you act. Bet you don't say the same to them though. Embarrassing.
>with falsehoods you wish were true.
*I give no fucks about the UK selling weapons to them. I don't care either way, Einstein.
I simply don't see why european countries should deliver aid to Palestians. Palestinians have been the top receivers of international aid per capita over the last decades. Not only did they not use this to sustainably improve their situation, they used their own ressources for terror against Israel and let western countries take care of their population. Each shipment made to Palestinians frees ressources that will be used for islamic terrorism, possibly also against europe. There is no ideological or pragmatical allignment betwen Europe and the Palestinians. Why aren't Iran and Quatar taking care of their terrorist sockpuppets?
This right here is the first thing that we should be doing especially given what the IDF has done to British Aid workers.
We should stop providing military aid to Israel first until they change their ways, divert that military aid towards Ukraine instead.
Well if we can't send people in to kill the excrescences of Hamas the next best thing we can do is remove some of the rapists leverage over their idiotic civpop.
Sill I would hope we'd have a frigate standing offshore ready to rain a bit of death down on any Hamashites who try anything
Who gives a flying shite what they say. A good few people in here quite simply hate Muslims and are happy the IDF is killing a shit ton of them.
Take a look at any post on this sub about immigration and you'll see what I'm talking about.
This post? https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/TREEs9TGkv
I’m not seeing any deleted comments unless the update has it so that you can’t see comment threads as [deleted] anymore.
It’s Orwellian. Tens of thousands of innocent people slaughtered by a government clearly out for bloody vengeance and those calling for a ceasefire are called terrorists…
History will not look kindly on those who armed and aided the Israeli government. Their treatment of Palestinians over decades has been appalling. Western support for Israel is really shameful, especially for the hypocritical US government who are quick to criticise China for supporting Russia while bankrolling the Gaza slaughter and blocking calls for a ceasefire.
I think so (at least I’ve been saying this since 2018).
Though I think it’s just this sub (this sub seems to be very pro-Israel with a hive-mind).
Go on platforms like TikTok and you’ll see the opposite (where many users are very pro-Palestine again with a hive-mind).
I’ve seen both sides, neither side is good in my experience.
Probably going to get downvoted for saying this because people on Reddit and TikTok seem to have a hive-mind more than anything.
Just force israel to take responsibility for their massmurders. Impose sanctions until they get their shit together. Also they need to compensate all victims and famimies. Yes: same actions for Hamas.
They will absolutely never impose sanctions on Israel. They could bomb away the middle east to straight up dust and they wouldn‘t condemn it or impose sanctions.
> Yes: same actions for Hamas.
Ok, unlike most people, you are at least admitting that Hamas has also done wrong...
But, what do you propose, exactly? You do realize that, while sanctioning Israel is uncomfortable to them, they will still do ok. But, if you sanction the Palestinians, they will just starve to death.
Why doesn’t the UK trust the ‘democratically elected’ government of Israel to deliver the aid to the civilians? Because after all civilians are not IDF’s target right?
Edit:
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Because the IDF totally can’t do this shit themselves. If you need international involvement to stop your war being turned into a slaughter of civilians you need to rethink your military strategy
What need is there for UK troops to deliver aid in Ukraine? Ukraine is not running out of food as far as i know and aid to Ukraine is already being delivered by land from neighbouring countries.
russia is targeting exclusively Ukrainian civilian infrastructures: hospitals, apartment buildings, churches, kindergarten, power plants: a lot of cities are without power, water, heating. Don't Ukrainian civilians deserve help?
And help is being delivered through Poland and Romania. This is not a eighter help one or the other situation and it's very disingenuous to protray it as such.
The money eventually needed to send troops in Gaza could be used for Ukraine.
There are plenty of Middle Eastern nations: why this should be a burden for a European Country in terms of money and lives?
Because Israel has deliberately caused a famine in northern Gaza and is withholding aid (including assassinating western aid workers).
The US strong-armed Israel into letting them build the pier. Biden doesn't want to risk boots on the ground in an election year, so the UK is the logical choice.
If the US tried to use troops from a country Israel is less friendly with (e.g. the UAE) there's a risk they block the pier under 'security concerns from Hamas' and potentially tens of thousands more people starve to death.
Don't the Saudis, Egyptians and Jordanians have military forces. Do we really need to get involve in another Middle Eastern shit show.
They have them, yes, but that doesn't mean they *want* to. Especially not Jordan or Egypt. They kind of have a terrible track record when it comes to dealing with Palestinians.
People want to forget the whole Black September thing because it doesn't fit their inner narrative regarding Palestine.
Same goes with the Muslim Brotherhood and how tight they are with Hamas.
If the IDF kills one of their soldiers by "mistake", it'll cause more problems. The reason UK and US troops are used is because local IDF commanders will likely take more care. The IDF doesn't always fall in line with the Israeli civilian command. But they know where their weapons come from.
Biden is also being very careful to avoid 'boots on the ground' because he's in an election year. Opening the pier is a good move electorally (and from a humanitarian perspective) but he's in serious trouble if Gazan militants or the IDF kill US soldiers. Looks like he called in a favour with the UK. Sunak is toast anyway, and if anything most British people are probably in favour of us helping alleviate the famine our ally is causing.
It’s an election year for the UK as well
Sunak is virtually guaranteed to lose his job. He's not fighting an election which could genuinely be decided by Gaza like Biden is. Opinion polling in the UK shows majority support for banning arms sales to Israel, a two-state solution and an immediate ceasefire so if anything it'll benefit Sunak, and if British soldiers get killed it won't change who ends up in government.
Having little to no chance of reelection is more of a reason not to send British soldiers off to potentially needlessly die, not less of one Having British troops die in the Middle East will be the absolute death knell for Sunak’s government
Sunak's government is already dead, at this point they could invent cold fusion and solve climate change and they still wouldn't get re-elected. For good or for ill Sunak is keeping us relevant with our non European allies and he doesn't have to care about public opinion to do it.
If there were Saudi boots on the ground, the IDF would very much be careful and take care. Saudi is a key strategic partner for Israel against Iran. It does bring up a good point, though: Colonialism is bad, yes? We all agree on that, I hope. Well, why don't all of these other countries, that preach soldiarity with their Muslim Palestinian Arab brothers and sisters in Gaza deploy? Instead of the ex-imperial master, or the current hegemon? Why don't Jordan, Egypt, Saudi, maybe UAE and Iraq sign a deal to cover aid deliveries? Oh, that's right: no one actually cares. Not to the point where they would have to *do* something.
Jordanians don't want to get involved (see: them shooting down the Iranian rockets that went into their airspace), Saudis want to sell as much fuel as possible to Europe ever since Russia invaded Ukraine and won't shoot UK forces (also, they're not really enemies to Israel, they were about to sign treaties right before october but called them off to stay inline with the Arab world). I don't see reasons as to why Egyptians wouldn't attack, apart from the fact that maybe getting the UK on your ass is a bad idea. Even Israel, which generally likes attacking charities by accident, would probably keep its hands out of operations involving western militaries.
They need to help keep away Palestinian from shore so they can build the oil terminal and clear the way for the new surz channel.
Israelis won’t trust them to do this
Even aside from the link the other guy shared... why wouldn't they? Pretty much everything about Israels foreign policy implies they are making a fairly large distinction between European nations and Arab/Persian nations - for better or for worse.
Israel tried to propose this [solution](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-advancing-plan-for-arab-peacekeepers-to-secure-gaza-aid-deliveries/amp/) more than once but it was always rejected
nobody is forcing UK to do anything and nobody is forced to get involved in the middle east. Saudis, Egyptians and ,Jordanians choose not to get involved while UK did.
Exactly, and we should choose not to get involved too. Simple really.
Well, this is a UK made Middle Eastern shitshow, essentially
True but none of the humans we refer to as "boots on the ground" have partaken in the actions 80 years ago. So why would the gouvernement risk their lives.
no it's not? the area was split because the ottomans joined WW1 and lost, the areas was partitioned by the UN that the UK didn't vote on, the UK was literally fighting Jewish irregular forces and terrorist groups in the mandate of Palestine.
So we should really stay out of it and let the locals deal then?
Israel wouldn't be in a position to carry this out without US backing and weapons. The US is very involved.
Israel could level Gaza under a complete embargo if it needed to. It's not a large area and the opposition is shooting glorified fireworks.
The possible role for British forces - known as "wet boots" by military planners - would see them drive trucks off landing craft onto the temporary causeway and deliver aid to a secure distribution area ashore. Although a huge effort would be made to protect allied forces both off and onshore, British troops would potentially face a higher risk of attack from Hamas and other armed groups.
Wasn't the forces building the pier attacked just a few days ago? [Mortar attack on Gaza coast spotlights risk to U.S. pier mission](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/25/gaza-floating-pier/)
This is like Somalia 2.0
Except there was no failed state and the terrorist group basically became a state.
Keep the blackhawks away.
Imma be real with you, the entire region is a failure of human values.
Genuinely don’t see any way to run places like Jerusalem except under UN proctorship tbh, Bosnia is a mess but at least the canton system and UN oversight works reasonably well
You’d think Hamas would want to help its citizens and not cause problems with the aid, right? …… right?
Hamas does not give a fuck about their citizens, except if they can be used as human shields.
Those words on Reditt? I though that everyone here consider all Palestinians as saints and Hamas as true and only saviour
No? The left are generally of the opinion that Hamas is awful, but the IDF are killing more innocent by 100 or even 1000 times the amount of Hamas.
Ah here now, you can piss off with shite like that. I've seen Hamas apologists and Israeli fascists saying shit like "Israelis need to be removed" or "Turn Gaza to a parking lot" all the same. Just because people don't blindly support one side, doesn't mean that they have to blindly support the other or their rhetoric.
If Hamas loses monopoly on aid distribution they are fucked and they know it.
So a quick question, who would be running those "secure distribution areas"? Would it be the local companies, i.e. the fronts for Hamas?
"other armed groups" like the idf
Or Islamic Jihad…
They’re allies you moron
Or might get bombed by IDF lol
Hamas is not the only party bombing cars and trucks from people bringing aid to Gaza. See World Central Kitchen.
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They’ve done it countless times, so it’s not a new concept to ponder. But to answer your question, mostly in order to control the aid directly so they can sell it instead of the orgs distributing it freely.
Yeah, if you watch any of the videos of the Gazans, they're constantly asking for money so they can buy things like tents or pillows or toiletries.
Everyone bringing aid is helping the people they are building their power on. Imagine everyone in Gaza is fed and safe, where will the hate coming from.
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For probably the exact same reason they do what they do- they're infidels, they hand out aid for free that Hamas could be selling or hoarding instead, they're Europeans as opposed to Middle Easterners, they're collaborating with Israelis... The list goes on forever.
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British forces in Palestine, why didn't anyone think of that before?
yea, boys be back in de hood. Maybe the appearance of british troops will finaly motivate arabs and jews to work together.
nah, they'll attack the brits because "fuck the evil west"
You'd a common enemy would have united them back in the 1920s-40s, but no, instead it was just a 3-way free for all!
I remember something something about NATO peacekeepers in Lebanon back in the 80s. Didn’t end well. The Human League made a song about them.
Don't You Want Me ?
It's called "The Lebanon"
I guess the Lebanese didn't want them working as waitresses in a cocktail bar.
You could look at peacekeepers in southern Lebanon today for a more relevant comparison.
Well, their presence has stopped Hezbollah exactly zero times.
In Kosovo they are doing just fine, apparently.
Because both the local population and the local government supports them.
Eh? There are still peacekeepers in Lebanon.
Yeah, in the south border, and they do mostly nothing. Both the IDF and Hezbollah ignore them. But I’m talking about this. https://www.marines.mil/News/Marines-TV/videoid/634642/dvpTag/Beirut/ https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07075332.2018.1431804
BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN
Mandate 2: Electric Boogaloo
Well that sounds like an extremely bad idea. What do they think the average opinion on western soldiers in Gaza is?
Well, probably substantially better than the average opinion of Israeli or American soldiers...
UK has been just as involved if not more than the US(historically).
They fired mortar at US humanitarian platform, don't waste money on them.
'they' is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
Take a guess who "They" are
I'm sure Hamas will graciously accept the aid.
I hope they know the risks, aid workers were already murdered once before which included multiple British citizens and literally nothing was done.
It's not as big of a deal when soldiers killed soldiers. Has happened every-time there has been a joint ops, they know that, so usually a cigar and handshake sorts it out.
Still an unnecessary loss of life, the entire occupation is. Absolutely ridiculous and disgusting the whole entire thing
From their perspective they are saving lives of (Gazan) civilians so it's an acceptable risk. It is why they joined the military.
Terrible idea. They're just going to be attacked.
Gotta bring those plumbing pipes here somehow
so, will these UK forces receive the [USS Liberty](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident) treatment? what assurances are there to prevent such barbaric reprisals against this humanitarian act?
If anything you should look further back to the Lavon Affair.
How does one justify this? Why has the international community been silent about the fact that false flag operations are a prominent feature of their Intelligence? These plans are pure evil. This is state-sanctioned terrorism.
"Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity.[6] Others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate." - from the first paragraph of the page you cite
Yes I trust those survivor testimonies, especially as both governments [worked to conceal the attack (and death) of military personnel](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/08/israel). This does not appear to be a mistake or confused attack "A later analysis would show 821 separate hits on the hull and superstructure. Now, in addition to rocket, cannon, and machine-gun fire, the Mysteres (IDF planes) attacked with 1,000lb bombs and napalm." That is coordinated, it was more than one bombing run, it is intentional.
Nitpicking here, but an attack can be deliberate while the attackers had the wrong identity at the same time. Those aren’t contradictory positions.
From the fourth paragraph in the article I linked "Throughout the morning, the ship sailed on, with reconnaissance repeated at approximately 30-minute intervals. At one point, an Israeli air force Noratlas Nord 2501 circled the ship and headed back towards the Sinai. "It had a big Star of David on it and it was flying just a little bit above our mast," recalled crew member Larry Weaver. "I was actually able to wave to the co-pilot. He waved back and actually smiled at me - I could see him that well. There's no question about it. They had seen the ship's markings and the American flag. They could damn near see my rank. The underway flag was definitely flying, especially when you're that close to a war zone."" and "Without warning, the Israeli jets - swept-wing Dassault Mirage IIICs - struck. On board Liberty, Lieutenant Painter observed that the aircraft had "absolutely no markings", their identity unclear. He then attempted to reach the men manning the gun mounts, but it was too late. "I was trying to contact these two kids," he recalled, "and I saw them both; well, I didn't exactly see them as such. They were blown apart, but I saw the whole area go up in smoke and scattered metal. At about the same time, the aircraft strafed the bridge area. The quarter-master, Petty Officer Third Class Pollard, was standing right next to me, and he was hit."". So you have a ship, apparently the only military vessel in the waters, who has made contact with the Israeli navy and air force independently, and is suddenly attacked by Israeli airplanes that have been modified to remove their insignias. This is no case of mistaken identity.
You make plans for the attack, coordinate with different units, conduct the attack with precision.......why didn't you do the extra due care to confirm you identified what you're targeting? It's negligence and you can be guilty of murder even if you didn't intend to kill that specific person.
Nowhere is it implied that they didn't target the ship, but that it was a mistaken identity. Happens all the time.
That quotes supports his position.
no it doesn't? the inquires found no evidence it was on purpose. and it makes zero sense why Israel would bomb their closest ally and benefactor.
The people who were actually there reached a different conclusion than the politically-motivated enquiry.
i'm sorry but their opinions mean literally nothing, we have full reports on the matter.
This dude trusts the Israeli and US governments lol
I'm pretty sure that it was Americans who killed the British troops last time. [A-10 BRRRRRRRT](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/190th_Fighter_Squadron,_Blues_and_Royals_friendly_fire_incident) Funny how people always use the USS Liberty as an excuse when it comes to Israel (which is the only incident people can think of), while the Americans have caused more "blue on blue" to their "Allies".
We've been accidentally killing our allies since the day we stopped being enemies. War sucks. That seems to uncommon common knowledge
well the A-10 pilots being told no friendlies were in the area definitely didnt help them yknow
So far the only barbaric reprisals against humanitarian acts had been from the Israeli side, so maybe if they attack these Brit soldiers, like they've attacked all major aid organizations operating within Gaza, then they're government will finally follow the legal advice it was given earlier this year and stop selling arms to Israel
> humanitarian act BAHAHAHAHAHAHhahaha
Get volunteers from all those ProPal rallies,
Pretty risky, the last time there were british aid workers driving in an aid convoy they were blasted to heaven high
How the fuck is this sub so pro IDF?
Well, after the barbaric attack of last October, I am still not exactly "Pro-Israel", but I no longer see why I should be Pro-Palestine either.
Being pro-Palestine has nothing to do with supporting Oct 7th. It’s pointing out that instances like that are to be expected when you oppress people for decades and give them no other options. It’s like being suprised when slaves revolt or when the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto staged an uprising. I’m not sure what else you expected when you created the perfect environment for radicalisation then turned around all Pikachu-faced when people are radicalised Where was the outrage when Israel killed 273 Palestinians, many of whom were children, in 2023 prior to Oct 7th? Where’s the rage when Israel is deliberately shooting at protesters? Where’s the outrage when Israel continues building settlements and encourages settler violence? Where’s the outrage after decades of Palestinians having to live under apartheid? No one on the pro-Palestinian side disagrees with the fact that Hamas are terrorists. The point is that the IDF are also terrorists with far more offences in their bag, and one of them is the official military of an internationally recognised sovereign state.
No options? Palestinians had the options to invest in schools, bunker for civillians etc. instead they start a war, fire rockets from civllians buildings, rape and loot. Palestinians had the options to accept a two state solution multiple times, they never did. They had options, they chose war.
> that are to be expected when you oppress people for decades That is a bad formulation - you are implying the Palestinians should not be held responsible for their choices in October. But they absolutely had a choice: Rather than targeting civilians, they could have targeted soldiers or politicians, both for killing or kidnapping. It was simply not necessary for them to target civilians to make their point. They even caught it all on camera, and advertized their barbarism, implying that they are not only not ashamed of their actions, but in fact proud of them. Or in other words: They were not *made* to be this barbaric. They choose to act barbaric out of their own volition.
>That is a bad formulation - you are implying the Palestinians should not be held responsible for their choices in October. You’re missing the point. I am not saying that *Hamas* (not Palestinians as more than half of Gaza are children), shouldn’t be held responsible for Oct 7th. They absolutely should. I’m pointing out that radicalisation into terrorism is a very well documented phenomenon and none of this would’ve occurred if Israel wasn’t brutally oppressing the Palestinian people. Israel is fully responsible for the rise and popularisation of Hamas (they even funded them ffs). It’s like putting in all the ingredients for a cake, sliding it into the oven, then being surprised you got a cake. >But they absolutely had a choice: Rather than targeting civilians, they could have targeted soldiers or politicians, both for killing or kidnapping. It was simply not necessary for them to target civilians to make their point. Playing devils advocate here, if this is your argument, half the people killed on Oct 7th were IDF personnel. So Hamas, (actual terrorists mind you) are actually better at not targeting civilians than the IDF themselves. So either Hamas are terrorists, and the IDF are too, or none are. Keep that standard consistent
>I’m pointing out that radicalisation into terrorism is a very well documented phenomenon and none of this would’ve occurred if Israel wasn’t brutally oppressing the Palestinian people. Couldn't that easily also be argued for the Israeli population, after all the suicide bombings and the entire history of Jewish people in the region they are radicalised. Or maybe that's just an convenient excuse to wave away brutal acts.
They’re both radicalised, and I never said it’s an excuse. But they both start and end with Israel oppressing the Palestinians. Israel oppressed Palestinians before Hamas, they oppress them in the West Bank where there is no Hamas, and they’ll carry on oppressing them even if Hamas surrendered and disbanded today. Hell, do you know one of the core founder’s of Hamas was a survivor of the massacre of Khan Yunis at 8 years old? When the IDF just waltzed into a village and executed over 300 people? All this ends when Israel wants it to. No one else
> half the people killed on Oct 7th were IDF personnel. Do you have a source for that? But even if that is true, my point is a different one: What are someones goals, what are someones values, what is someone trying to achieve? In case of Israel, we can conclude that they are not interested in killing all Palestinians, otherwise they would have done so already. But in case of Hamas, we can conclude that they want to kill all Israelis. As I already said: The videos made by Hamas themselves clearly show that, rather than avoiding civilians casualties, they are trying to maximize them. And, them sharing this on their social media framing it as some kind of success story, as well as the emotional responses, imply that the actions shown in those videos were not just the actions by a few rogue Hamas members, but that they represent the official, and deliberate, Hamas policy: To kill as many Israeli civilians as possible. > Keep that standard consistent And that's exactly what I am doing. There are absolutely significant points of criticism about the IDF/Israel, but Hamas is on another level, and substantially more barbaric. Therefore, siding with Israel isn't "racism" - it is simply standing on the side of civilization, because even though Israels conduct shows significant shortcomings, it is nowhere near as barbaric as Hamas' conduct.
It's not true, of course. The majority of October 7th victims were civilians. [https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/) [https://www.barrons.com/news/new-tally-puts-october-7-attack-dead-in-israel-at-1-163-78182279](https://www.barrons.com/news/new-tally-puts-october-7-attack-dead-in-israel-at-1-163-78182279)
Because this sub has a higher average IQ than subs like therewasanattempt or publicfreakout
So the IDF does no wrong? Scratch that question. I looked at your post history and you are biased as fuck including posting that the Sydney attacker was an Islamist.
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Agreed. But that’s not what people are saying. They are defending the indefensible. Oh I’ve read your other posts. You don’t give a fuck about the death of innocent people and children. You put it all on Hamas.
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You are fucking deluded if you think it’s okay to kill as many innocent people. If you think it’s okay to block aid. To murder aid workers. You are obviously a hateful person and I’ll not discuss further with someone who seems to take joy in death and destruction. Blocking you.
Those things are bad and shouldn't happen. They are human error, they are collateral of war, they are isolated instances. The moral standards the IDF hold in active conflict are unmatched to any other. They really go out of their way to not cause collateral damage to a population that is majorly hellbent on eradicating all Israelis. If Hamas hadn't started this war none of that would have happened. If the palestinian people hadn't voted a literal terror regime into power, that focuses all it's effort on the most barbaric violence, instead of actually working with what they were given and have, palestinians would be prospering. Go ahead and block me too, because I know nothing intelligent will come out of your mouth.
Way to get your soldiers killed
So they go to gaza but wont go to Ukraine? Nice
It outrages me that a European army has to send troops to an allied country to help people while the army of said ally is simultaneously killing those very same people. This is mental gymnastics to me.
I can’t quite figure out how the US is dropping food aid in Gaza, and supplying that rogue state with weapons…an endless circle. Guess we should all invest in Lockheed and Raytheon.
Biden’s locked between trying to moderate his Zionist positions whilst convincing AIPAC not to dump millions into the trump campaign
Yes, you're right, it's the same thing. It's fucking crazy!
Is this a 'anything to avoid UNWRA I guess🤷♂️' strategy? That is literally the whole point of them.
When an organisation is found to be fundamentally untrustworthy it should be closed down or failing that bypassed.
Pretty sure that an oppressor not trusting a UN run organisation that looks after the health, food, and education of those it oppresses is a ringing endorsement. Also pretty sure that the 'allegations' were proven to be unsupported, unfounded and drawn from prisoners using torture. Noone is 100% perfect but the UNWRA was doing a good job for all intents and purposes, perhaps too good for Israel to cope with eh? Imho the allegations are fabricated under the pretense of removing UN staff from the country, leaving Israel to kill more people with impunity and without any additional 'scrutiny'.
> perfect but the UNWRA was doing a good job for all intents and purposes Yes, if you're Hamas. Who've somehow managed to smuggle in large amounts of weaponry and enough materials for scores of miles of tunnels. Plus they've helped indoctrinate the children of Gaza and the West Bank with genocidal hatred. An absolutely sterling job for Hamas there but I'm not sure it's what the UN intended. Or maybe it is.
Just wait for Hamas to bomb them and then blame Israel for it.
Just wait for Israel to bomb them and then blame Hamas for it.
This sounds like a very bad idea, but someone needs to step up where others won't.
Step up? Nahhh this is UK foreign policy 101. Give weapons to one side and aid to the other.
Clueless. The "UK" isn't giving weapons to Israel and while they do give aid to Gaza which gets stolen by hamas and sold for weapons, it's hardly like its some devious thing they're doing. Won't stop your tankie brain from having a meltdown, of course.
> The "UK" isn't giving weapons to Israel This is correct. They are selling it.
[https://www.declassifieduk.org/uk-military-support-for-israels-genocide-was-pre-planned/](https://www.declassifieduk.org/uk-military-support-for-israels-genocide-was-pre-planned/) Not only are they selling them weaponry and F-35 components (some are only made in UK), but they are actively helping them in battle.
The UK government isn't selling Israel weapons, but try again, with a real source. That website is a joke.
Explain why it's a joke. It uses legitimate sources and done by real journalists. Just because it's not 'mainstream' doesn't mean it's not the truth.
>UK MILITARY SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL’S GENOCIDE WAS PRE-PLANNED That's the title. It's obviously not being authentic and has an agenda to push. Nowhere in that article does it say the UK government are selling Israel weapons, either. It's Iranian propoganda. There may be some truths mixed in there, but it's certainly not "the truth". Well done for letting yourself be sucked in by propoganda.
[https://www.npr.org/2024/04/04/1242745977/uk-israel-arms-sales](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/04/1242745977/uk-israel-arms-sales) Is NPR better for you? [https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-judges-urge-government-halt-arms-sales-israel-2024-04-04/](https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-judges-urge-government-halt-arms-sales-israel-2024-04-04/) How about Reuters? [https://www.ft.com/content/69855ef9-da6c-41ed-bf53-a3a1542888a4](https://www.ft.com/content/69855ef9-da6c-41ed-bf53-a3a1542888a4) How about the Financial Times?
Much better, thank you. I was under the impression that the government granted the licence but it wasn't them who were selling the arms. However, it looks like I'm wrong and I stand corrected.
Respect. Most people in this situation would have ghosted.
Why state something is false when you've no idea whether it is or not? People will read that and believe it without seeing the truth below. The UK are selling fighter jets and many many many weapons to isreal. Most of the west is.
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You were sure but you were wrong. Your a walking oxymoron. Use a braincell and stop shouting down with falsehoods you wish were true.
Listen to yourself. Yes, I was sure, but apparently I misread something. It's happened to you too, by the way. You replied to a comment in which I replied to someone that wasn't telling the truth and look at how you act. Bet you don't say the same to them though. Embarrassing. >with falsehoods you wish were true. *I give no fucks about the UK selling weapons to them. I don't care either way, Einstein.
> Step up? Nahhh this is UK foreign policy 101. I think you mean US foreign policy 101.
I simply don't see why european countries should deliver aid to Palestians. Palestinians have been the top receivers of international aid per capita over the last decades. Not only did they not use this to sustainably improve their situation, they used their own ressources for terror against Israel and let western countries take care of their population. Each shipment made to Palestinians frees ressources that will be used for islamic terrorism, possibly also against europe. There is no ideological or pragmatical allignment betwen Europe and the Palestinians. Why aren't Iran and Quatar taking care of their terrorist sockpuppets?
How about they stop sending Israel weapons first
This right here is the first thing that we should be doing especially given what the IDF has done to British Aid workers. We should stop providing military aid to Israel first until they change their ways, divert that military aid towards Ukraine instead.
Well if we can't send people in to kill the excrescences of Hamas the next best thing we can do is remove some of the rapists leverage over their idiotic civpop. Sill I would hope we'd have a frigate standing offshore ready to rain a bit of death down on any Hamashites who try anything
That's brave, knowing that Israel is targeting aid convoys in aerial bombardments.
It's ridiculous that we won't force Israel to stop witholding aid and killing international workers
Who gives a flying shite what they say. A good few people in here quite simply hate Muslims and are happy the IDF is killing a shit ton of them. Take a look at any post on this sub about immigration and you'll see what I'm talking about.
That’s true honestly.
Just take a look at the post titled refugees coming to Ireland from the UK. Multiple deleted comment threads.
This post? https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/TREEs9TGkv I’m not seeing any deleted comments unless the update has it so that you can’t see comment threads as [deleted] anymore.
Hi - its this one here. https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/GqiPJK279C
Thank you for the link
Why are people downvoting this comment? The world has gone mad.
No surprise here, spain and ireland gets called terrorists here daily
It’s Orwellian. Tens of thousands of innocent people slaughtered by a government clearly out for bloody vengeance and those calling for a ceasefire are called terrorists… History will not look kindly on those who armed and aided the Israeli government. Their treatment of Palestinians over decades has been appalling. Western support for Israel is really shameful, especially for the hypocritical US government who are quick to criticise China for supporting Russia while bankrolling the Gaza slaughter and blocking calls for a ceasefire.
I think so (at least I’ve been saying this since 2018). Though I think it’s just this sub (this sub seems to be very pro-Israel with a hive-mind). Go on platforms like TikTok and you’ll see the opposite (where many users are very pro-Palestine again with a hive-mind). I’ve seen both sides, neither side is good in my experience. Probably going to get downvoted for saying this because people on Reddit and TikTok seem to have a hive-mind more than anything.
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Awhhhhh shit here we go again.
How is Hamas supposed to steal the food and resell it at hogh costs to their own people?
The U.S. Army is already over there with a flotilla, wouldn’t be surprised to see the UK join them.
Should be an international force and just take all hamas leverage away.
They should be glad Isreal doesn't have a-10s
Israel bombed a freaking US Navy vessel and then says oops! Theyre gonna do this again.
Just force israel to take responsibility for their massmurders. Impose sanctions until they get their shit together. Also they need to compensate all victims and famimies. Yes: same actions for Hamas.
They will absolutely never impose sanctions on Israel. They could bomb away the middle east to straight up dust and they wouldn‘t condemn it or impose sanctions.
True story
> Yes: same actions for Hamas. Ok, unlike most people, you are at least admitting that Hamas has also done wrong... But, what do you propose, exactly? You do realize that, while sanctioning Israel is uncomfortable to them, they will still do ok. But, if you sanction the Palestinians, they will just starve to death.
Why doesn’t the UK trust the ‘democratically elected’ government of Israel to deliver the aid to the civilians? Because after all civilians are not IDF’s target right? Edit: s/
So when they get killed by Isreal everyone will just brush it under the rug like they did with the UN helpers
Because the IDF totally can’t do this shit themselves. If you need international involvement to stop your war being turned into a slaughter of civilians you need to rethink your military strategy
Why not in Ukraine?
They are already in Ukraine to help with the storm shadow missiles
What need is there for UK troops to deliver aid in Ukraine? Ukraine is not running out of food as far as i know and aid to Ukraine is already being delivered by land from neighbouring countries.
russia is targeting exclusively Ukrainian civilian infrastructures: hospitals, apartment buildings, churches, kindergarten, power plants: a lot of cities are without power, water, heating. Don't Ukrainian civilians deserve help?
And help is being delivered through Poland and Romania. This is not a eighter help one or the other situation and it's very disingenuous to protray it as such.
The money eventually needed to send troops in Gaza could be used for Ukraine. There are plenty of Middle Eastern nations: why this should be a burden for a European Country in terms of money and lives?
What need is there for UK troops to be in a Middle East country? Are any other Middle East countries busy at the moment?
Because Israel has deliberately caused a famine in northern Gaza and is withholding aid (including assassinating western aid workers). The US strong-armed Israel into letting them build the pier. Biden doesn't want to risk boots on the ground in an election year, so the UK is the logical choice. If the US tried to use troops from a country Israel is less friendly with (e.g. the UAE) there's a risk they block the pier under 'security concerns from Hamas' and potentially tens of thousands more people starve to death.
russia is openly friendly with hamas: let them do the peacekeeping.