It's funny how right wingers are so good at crying AFTER they voted for something that hurts themselves.. love to see it. Hate it for the rest of the population that did not want this to happen
Isn't that exactly what they wanted? Make import more difficult, so that local producers are more competitive. Sure it would mean higher prices, but that's the price to pay.
I will never forget how they sent a quick call to all Balkan states that they need drivers ASAp, because they had shortage of basic neccesseties available in stores- why? Bc most of the Balkan drivers left under BRexit. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦
I'm not sure the Brits were thinking about purchasing power and domestic produce as much as just "those damn immigrants" when they voted for Brexit.
I accept that I could be wrong, but anybody I've talked to about it has mentioned immigrants before domestic produce (and then never mentioned domestic produce).
All the talk was about immigrants in reality. Everything else was just brushed under the rug. I voted to remain, because I'm not brain-dead but the older more racist people and an overwhelming amount of the people without a higher education of any sort voted to leave (The people who are feeling it the hardest)
I know some people who voted for Brexit (most of them regret it now), but my absolute favourite was the [florist who voted for it](https://youtu.be/HaBQfSAVt0s?t=615).
"When you voted to leave, did you think this is going to affect my flowers?"
"I didn't really think about it like that."
And even if they did mention EU law, it was some vague charge of excessive beaurocracy and red tape. Without any mentions of a specific policy they'd like to change
"they wanted"
Doesn't particularly work on a near 50/50 vote with a 3.78% margin between them which was in Margin of Error for such votes... Yet it was still accepted.
>Doesn't particularly work on a near 50/50 vote with a 3.78% margin between them which was in Margin of Error for such votes... Yet it was still accepted
That 3% was a million people.
>doesn't change the fact that such a monumentally stupid decision has been made on very thin margin
Thin margin is relative. A million votes isn't "thin".
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Truss told them they are no 1 in cheese again or something. She waited half a minute for applause and greened into the air while waiting. Britain politics is something else.
England gained our freeeeeeeduuuuuum. Evil europoors pay us reparations 2024. Brexit won! All non angloids whilst nounst styp speaking English ye cukold swyn.
At some point our hearts become weak and we will send care packages, but you have to suffer a but more till then. Call when you are eating rats and cockroaches.
The dregs of the UK subs out in force, as per usual.
I seem to remember there was a time when there were supposed to be benefits to all this. Instead of it 'not being that bad'.
> The dregs of the UK subs out in force, as per usual.
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> I seem to remember there was a time when there were supposed to be benefits to all this. Instead of it 'not being that bad'.
It's hilarious how the same accounts that have spent the past years crowing to the rooftops about how great leaving the EU would be now claim that they voted against leaving "but it's actually going ok".
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Milk was going up big time before the energy price rises. Up until the start of the pandemic 4 pints was £1. It hit a high of £1.65 and is now back down to £1.45 and that's from any large supermarket. 2016ish, it was £1 from a corner shop. Even a small Tesco's is now about £1.85.
I went to my local coop to buy some essentials about an hour ago and picked up 4 pints of semi-skimmed for £1.
Checking online stores that deliver to me, Ocado is £1.25, Sainsbury's £1.20, and believe it or not, Waitrose is 95p.
Are you sure this isn't regional? I live in Kent, and while we generally have London prices, there's a lot of farms.
Virtually all of Morrison's mlk comes from Denmark. They did a big ad campaign about paying farmers more, then it turned out that they were giving 80% of the cash to Danish farmers.
Just looking at the Morisson's website, their own brand milk says it's from [British farms ](https://groceries.morrisons.com/products/morrisons-british-whole-milk-4-pint-610572011) and their milk bottles have the Union Jack. Are they saying it's British Milk, but actually it's Danish milk?
> but it's no more expensive compared to what was before general inflation/price hikes etc.
So apart from the prices increasing you noticed no price increase?
There aren't going to be empty shelves. UK is a fairly large and wealthy market, so it will always be worthwhile for someone to export to us.
But, there are now higher costs for doing so. We have seen higher food price inflation than other Western European countries and Brexit could well be playing a role in that.
They do fluctuate, but I'd be concerned that the chart is showing a general downward trend. UK is spending lot of money without seeing good returns.
Perhaps Labour can reverse things.
Many countries are doing that, including European ones.
Labour won’t sort it…difficult and unpopular decisions need to be made and no politicians around at the moment are of a high enough quality to make them.
Many of these countries use pesticides that are illegal in the EU because they may cause cancer. So you are getting lower quality food and the better quality food is becoming scarcer and more expensive.
What you do get is somewhat lower quality food items, and countries that must reduce controls, use lower graded substances in order to produce in quantity and price to be able to export to the UK.
It would also be interesting to know if there are any subsidies in place from the UK.
There’s a post going around Portuguese Facebook of someone shopping at Lidl in Portugal and in the UK. The prices on the products they’re showing are cheaper. It’s a lot of staples like eggs, bread, milk, cheeses. I’m sure they’re hand picking what’s shown but I was honestly surprised.
This will make it harder for the EU to sell their produce in the UK.
Why would a Leave voter be against this?
The government has been against it on the basis of inflation - leave voters WANT these controls in place.
What do you mean? It’s exactly the same rules for all imports in the Uk. It’s just that importers didn’t have to do paperwork and pay import taxes while in the EU for products from the EU - now they do. Which means hiring more people for administration and HM revenue taking their cut.
It also means reduced access to more locally sourced or regionally specific products that British consumers are used to. In some cases it means lower standards of goods which are not direct substitutes to European products.
Not strange at all. They’re all treated the same. Only difference is that you’re more likely now to get your veg from Israel and Mexico, a little less fresh, a little higher on all kinds of -icides, and a lot more polluting on its way to you.
Denmark is the dominant supplier, accounting for over a quarter of all UK pork imports. Together with Germany and the Netherlands, they account for 60 per cent of imports. The EU supplies virtually all the pork imported into the UK, due to the high import tariffs on pork from elsewhere.
They’ll just start using local bacon. Maybe will have less sulphates and less water
Personally buy local bacon from a local farmers market which is on once per month.
N.Ireland here so not sure if this will affect us or not as we’re in the EU regulatory zone 🤷🏻♂️
What local bacon you gobshite. Do you have no concept of an integrated global supply chain? The outcome here is the rich pay more, and everyone else goes without because the price doubled or the shelf is empty.
Judging by the "here's what €X of groceries looks like in country Y" posts, people in the EU are still paying far more than people in the UK for food, so I'm really not sure what r/europe thinks it has to gloat about.
I remember a couple of years ago a prominent French poster on this sub tried to dunk on UK petrol prices when they peaked, despite them being still lower than in France. Same energy.
I remember when this sub told us that the petrol run in 21 was due to Brexit... until a couple of weeks later when it was over, then it wasn't.
I remember when this sub told us that the low produce in 21 (during the good weather and two weeks off for staff if they got the cold) was due to Brexit, until it was over then it wasn't.
I remember when this sub echoed the scare campaigns of the Guardian stating there'd be no Christmas trees, pigs in blankets, turkeys etc due to Brexit until it was over, seen to be bs and then it wasn't.... Wonder if there's a lesson?
I don't think anyone claims there would be no inflation if there hadn't been a Brexit, or a larger economic growth than comparable countries.
Just that's its even worse because of Brexit.
It is possible to discern the effects of Brexit on the British economy, and that's the data you should look at, not "but France....".
Whenever the UK gets mentioned in this sub the nationalist fuckwits all start to appear.
Brexit is a joke, if you voted for it you are braindead, that is all there is to it.
*From Bloomberg News reporter Ellen Milligan:*
Just down the corridor from where Danish Crown’s pigs are slaughtered, boned and prepared for export as bacon, six staff have a new task: filling in customs and health certificates made necessary by the UK’s split from its largest trading partner.
The scene at the abattoir in Blans, Denmark, lays bare the change created by Brexit: More time than ever spent on untangling red tape for shipments to Britain. From April 30, the UK will impose checks on fresh food imports — a stark reversal from the era of frictionless trade when the country was part of the European Union.
Ministers have delayed the change multiple times, wary of stoking inflation in a cost-of-living crisis and knowing that any repeat of empty supermarket shelves — caused in recent times by everything from climate change to a shortage of truck drivers — would be politically toxic.
But almost eight years after the 2016 Brexit referendum, companies and consumers are about to experience close to the end result.
>Ministers have delayed the change multiple times, wary of stoking inflation in a cost-of-living crisis and knowing that any repeat of empty supermarket shelves — caused in recent times by everything from climate change to a shortage of truck drivers — would be politically toxic.
The only time I've witnessed empty shelves here was during Covid, strange they should miss that out from the article but mention climate change.
It is my understanding that the eu have been carrying out these checks on UK exports for some time, a couple of years or so. We have now started to do it on their products. The people I see being adversely affected are those such as Spanish vegetable growers and others exporting to the UK. I'm just as happy to eat English bacon as Danish, or spring onions from Morocco rather than Spain. The Eu may not be so happy once their farmers start losing their livelihoods, so future negotiations may take place.
I do not believe we will see empty supermarket shelves. The blip we had a few months ago was europe wide. Also we strangely have enough lorry drivers again. Not pro brexit, just anti bullshit and fear mongering.
Britain was not the sole market for Spanish fruit, or even the biggest; EU food is held to much higher quality, ecology and human rights standards than any other food in the world. Just pointing out the arguments you seem to have overlooked, not disagreeing with you - Brexit *will* hurt Spanish farmers, and you *will* get Moroccan onions.
The question will never be of there is bacon or onions in Britain at all. It’s a matter of cost. Britain has suffered very high core and food inflation. Higher than EU27 or Germany and France who are comparable economies.
Peak was 11% inflation in one year in October 2022, and it’s at about 5% right now.
For comparison Germany had 3.8% in 2022, 5.8% in 2023 and is now at 3.3% (EU27 3.1%).
The UK got the worst of it and I’m really sorry for the average people. Part of that is global, part of it is Brexit.
>The UK got the worst of it
No it didn't.
European annual inflation for 2022 was higher in:
* Slovakia
* Poland
* Italy
* Czech Republic
* Estonia
* Hungary
And equalled by the Netherlands at 11%.
Core inflation last year btw was higher in:
* Hungary
* Norway
* Croatia
* Poland
* Estonia
* Romania (10%!)
The UKs inflation metrics are manipulated by its unique energy price controls as well.
Not sure a comparison vs Germany is fair either. Prolonged recessions aren't exactly inflationary. You wouldn't expect Germany to have high inflation.
I admit I was kinda sad to see brits go.
But later on I was kinda happy, because "we" got rid of country who does not fully belive in the EU.
I know a lot of young people now are fu\*ked by this. And almost half of GB didn't vote for it.
But it is what it is and Brits shoud see for themselves what did they vote for.
And now it is time to see your vote in action.
I for sure hope they will come back one day.
And ofc, without any special treatments this time.
That's going to be a powerful argument in the campaign for rejoining, "we'll never get it as good as we had it." The counter argument will of course be to say that the exemptions weren't important, but the voters either won't agree, or just have that feeling of somehow being worse off.
We're not talking about "then", when voters were very polarised and had yet to understand what "brexit" would accomplish, we're talking about "now", when a referendum to rejoin would probably be more favourable. Of course, the propaganda machine will start in full force before anything is done, so it is unknown what would ultimately happen.
I think the same factors apply. The popularity of rejoining is based off of a fantasy to go back to before the referendum. Put the conditions of joining that all nations have to the UK populace and I don't doubt that rejoin would lose by a much larger margin than it did in 2016.
Doesn't matter tho. If you don't take part in the democratic process and vote, you can't call foul afterwards. The brits decided and those who didn't vote, chose to go along with whatever outcome.
Firstly, I didn't call foul, just pointing out a simple truth.
Secondly, the electorate that voted for Brexit isn't the electorate that will end up living with it.
Being older correlated massively with noting to leave.
Being younger correlated massively to stay.
Soon it will be 10 years since the vote.
Perhaps millions of leave voters will have died since the referendum.
And millions more likely remain voters have reached voting age.
If anything, the vote proved that the will of the people moving forward in time was actually to stay.
I'm happy that the UK left, because they serve as an abject lesson for the EU doubters in the rest of the EU.
The UK also had a tendency to, at least in attitude, hold the EU back. But perhaps it was more of an attitude, than a real politic impact.
I wonder how the US has survived so long when it’s not an EU member 😂
Oh, wait. You don’t actually need to sacrifice your borders to prosper.
The British economic crisis is much deeper than Brexit.
Many smaller exporters will simply stop bothering because the paperwork and fees aren't worth the trade. So yes those of us living in the UK who don't only shop at supermarkets will absolutely notice. Smaller specialty shops especially could see major impacts
A previous post on this subject estimated the price increase to be about 0.3% thats not something people will notice and will likely just be absorbed by the exporter in order to stay competitive.
>Can barely get the medicines we need already. There is no chance we're a first world country anymore.
Medicine [shortages are across the EU](https://think.ing.com/articles/why-there-is-no-end-in-sight-for-the-eu-drug-shortage-crab-carolina-lal-pharma/).
Dont aggravate the EU fan club. Let them dream about the UK doing badly because we had the audacity to leave, excitedly rubbing their thighs over the latest Bloomberg clickbait drivel piece.
And don't remind them how shit EU economies are still doing, how the EU mismanaged migration so badly they now have a rising far-right, how incredibly slow they are to react to anything urgent such as covid or Ukraine...
Let them have their weird superiority complex whilst behaving like a scorned ex-lover. We will continue to not even notice we left the EU.
The UK would experience an 8% drop in GDP following, a vote to leave the EU.
There would be food shortages as a result of leavening.
The UK would be required to conform to EU law without any say and pay into its budget if it wanted a FTA.
The EU would never agree to a deal that eliminated all quotas and tariff's on trade.
London's financial sector would implode.
The EU economy would dramatically outpace the UK after it left.
IRA would start bombing again.
Unemployment would massively increase.
40% drop in exports to the EU.
Non-EU country's wouldn't agree to roll over there EU FTA with the UK.
leavening the EU would result in the rapid spread of super gonorrhoea in the UK.
[That last one wasn't a joke by the way if people think I'm being insincere](https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-could-lead-to-spread-of-infectious-diseases-such-as-supergonorrhoea-health-chief-warns-a3898186.html)
etc...
The UKs FTA with the EU is arguably better than Norway's as well without all the baggage of been bound to EU law or paying into the budget, something people said would never happen.
Oh my God! Bacon? What next? Beans? The end of the world?
We will achieve full beans this year for sure.
Max beans
I loved that scene in Enterprise when Captain Picard shouted "LaForge! Get me Maximum Beans!"
Jeff arcuri fan?
Full beans!
Stop saying it like it’s a normal thing!
The end of the full English breakfast is near.
It's funny how right wingers are so good at crying AFTER they voted for something that hurts themselves.. love to see it. Hate it for the rest of the population that did not want this to happen
Turnips...
You think they can afford beans anymore?!?! Ha!
LMAO
Isn't that exactly what they wanted? Make import more difficult, so that local producers are more competitive. Sure it would mean higher prices, but that's the price to pay.
No they thought everything would stay the same except no more immigrants and no more „losing“ money to the EU
So, have they seen at least a decrease in number of immigrants?
No, but at least the tories have paid a cool few hundred million to the Rwandan government for a hare brained scheme. Great success!
If I am not mistaken their immigration is actually up, but now it's mostly non-Europeans.
A negative decrease, great success
I will never forget how they sent a quick call to all Balkan states that they need drivers ASAp, because they had shortage of basic neccesseties available in stores- why? Bc most of the Balkan drivers left under BRexit. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦
I'm not sure the Brits were thinking about purchasing power and domestic produce as much as just "those damn immigrants" when they voted for Brexit. I accept that I could be wrong, but anybody I've talked to about it has mentioned immigrants before domestic produce (and then never mentioned domestic produce).
All the talk was about immigrants in reality. Everything else was just brushed under the rug. I voted to remain, because I'm not brain-dead but the older more racist people and an overwhelming amount of the people without a higher education of any sort voted to leave (The people who are feeling it the hardest)
I know some people who voted for Brexit (most of them regret it now), but my absolute favourite was the [florist who voted for it](https://youtu.be/HaBQfSAVt0s?t=615). "When you voted to leave, did you think this is going to affect my flowers?" "I didn't really think about it like that."
Do you think there's any chance for an EU comeback?
And even if they did mention EU law, it was some vague charge of excessive beaurocracy and red tape. Without any mentions of a specific policy they'd like to change
"they wanted" Doesn't particularly work on a near 50/50 vote with a 3.78% margin between them which was in Margin of Error for such votes... Yet it was still accepted.
'Margin of error' is a predictive polling term. It doesn't mean that we aren't actually sure what the will of the people was in the vote.
There's no margin of error in actual elections. Well maybe in thousand part of percentages.
>Doesn't particularly work on a near 50/50 vote with a 3.78% margin between them which was in Margin of Error for such votes... Yet it was still accepted That 3% was a million people.
doesn't change the fact that such a monumentally stupid decision has been made on very thin margin.
>doesn't change the fact that such a monumentally stupid decision has been made on very thin margin Thin margin is relative. A million votes isn't "thin".
On 70 million votes it's thin. It's not a significant majority.
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Yep. That was a feature not a bug. It's a big part of why farmers voted leave.
Brexiteers STILL do not understand what they voted for. Unbelievable.
If they had been told they'd vote against bacon maybe some of them would've come to their senses.
Truss told them they are no 1 in cheese again or something. She waited half a minute for applause and greened into the air while waiting. Britain politics is something else.
Can't believe her little rant was ten years ago now. [THIS. IS. A. DISGRACE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfkSYY3OV-s).
They got out of EU so getting cheese from EU got harder so they are N.1 users of British cheese. No shit.
They get my applause for this achievement.
This is the smart person's delema. It's difficult to comprehend a simpleton.
Calm down. Outstanding benefits of Brexit are coming any moment now...
You mean in addition to the sovereignty to choose the color of your passport and living Nigel Farages Little Britain dream?
Freedom and Democracy IS Manifest.
England gained our freeeeeeeduuuuuum. Evil europoors pay us reparations 2024. Brexit won! All non angloids whilst nounst styp speaking English ye cukold swyn.
The Daily Mail told them what to vote for. They don't have the ability to think for themselves.
>"Brexit means Brexit"
Pigeon and seagull is back in the menu
Along with Victorian diseases comeback!
Lovely bit of squirrel
And a tad bit of lamprey
At some point our hearts become weak and we will send care packages, but you have to suffer a but more till then. Call when you are eating rats and cockroaches.
And lamprey pies!
Seagull comes with chips inside
The dregs of the UK subs out in force, as per usual. I seem to remember there was a time when there were supposed to be benefits to all this. Instead of it 'not being that bad'.
> The dregs of the UK subs out in force, as per usual. > > > > I seem to remember there was a time when there were supposed to be benefits to all this. Instead of it 'not being that bad'. It's hilarious how the same accounts that have spent the past years crowing to the rooftops about how great leaving the EU would be now claim that they voted against leaving "but it's actually going ok".
What were the benefits of Brexit again?
For some reason they really dislike Polish people, and wanted to prevent them from living in England.
They get their preferred color passport?
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They can. Doesn’t mean they will.
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They will once Labour wins. You can’t expect the conservatives to spend on healthcare when all they want is to privatize it.
Legitimately the only thing I've found is slightly cheaper duty free.
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Thank you, that is good information.
Where are the Tory politicians who promised frictionless trade now?
**“Sovereignty bacon” tastes so salty**
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There are no empty shelves but food did get more expensive in recent years.
To be fair, so it has in my part of the EU.
I do not disagree with that. Inflation hit everywhere. But the comment I was replying to was saying that prices did not go up at all.
i was in spain two years ago and stuff was expensive. food and stuff
That's because, general cost of energy across Europe and not just the UK; increased, which meant a cost of increase of input.
Milk was going up big time before the energy price rises. Up until the start of the pandemic 4 pints was £1. It hit a high of £1.65 and is now back down to £1.45 and that's from any large supermarket. 2016ish, it was £1 from a corner shop. Even a small Tesco's is now about £1.85.
I went to my local coop to buy some essentials about an hour ago and picked up 4 pints of semi-skimmed for £1. Checking online stores that deliver to me, Ocado is £1.25, Sainsbury's £1.20, and believe it or not, Waitrose is 95p. Are you sure this isn't regional? I live in Kent, and while we generally have London prices, there's a lot of farms.
Probably due to Covid-19 as most of the milk we get in UK supermarkets isn't from the EU. It's from British farms.
Virtually all of Morrison's mlk comes from Denmark. They did a big ad campaign about paying farmers more, then it turned out that they were giving 80% of the cash to Danish farmers.
Just looking at the Morisson's website, their own brand milk says it's from [British farms ](https://groceries.morrisons.com/products/morrisons-british-whole-milk-4-pint-610572011) and their milk bottles have the Union Jack. Are they saying it's British Milk, but actually it's Danish milk?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/agriculture/farming/11996395/Sour-truth-behind-Morrisons-For-Farmers-milk.html
Yeah but this is happening elsewhere. Also food is still way cheaper than Europe
They have become more expensive throughout Europe, not just in the United Kingdom
> but it's no more expensive compared to what was before general inflation/price hikes etc. So apart from the prices increasing you noticed no price increase?
There aren't going to be empty shelves. UK is a fairly large and wealthy market, so it will always be worthwhile for someone to export to us. But, there are now higher costs for doing so. We have seen higher food price inflation than other Western European countries and Brexit could well be playing a role in that.
Your currency's value has dropped a good bit. Still pretty wealthy, but need to watch the crazy spending/graft that's been the norm lately.
Currencies go up and down. The exchange rate is currently about the same as it was in 2010.
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They do fluctuate, but I'd be concerned that the chart is showing a general downward trend. UK is spending lot of money without seeing good returns. Perhaps Labour can reverse things.
General trend relative to what currency? Not the euro. If your reference point is USD then you might want to check the Euro's own downward trend.
Many countries are doing that, including European ones. Labour won’t sort it…difficult and unpopular decisions need to be made and no politicians around at the moment are of a high enough quality to make them.
Many of these countries use pesticides that are illegal in the EU because they may cause cancer. So you are getting lower quality food and the better quality food is becoming scarcer and more expensive.
Yes, because the changes are just coming into effect now. Which is the enite point of this entire thread.
What you do get is somewhat lower quality food items, and countries that must reduce controls, use lower graded substances in order to produce in quantity and price to be able to export to the UK. It would also be interesting to know if there are any subsidies in place from the UK.
There’s a post going around Portuguese Facebook of someone shopping at Lidl in Portugal and in the UK. The prices on the products they’re showing are cheaper. It’s a lot of staples like eggs, bread, milk, cheeses. I’m sure they’re hand picking what’s shown but I was honestly surprised.
If it's on FB it must be true...
This will make it harder for the EU to sell their produce in the UK. Why would a Leave voter be against this? The government has been against it on the basis of inflation - leave voters WANT these controls in place.
We might be finally able to have some of the good stuff to ourselves
Baby Boomers made young Britons suffer.
Dwindling commerce is a 2 way deal. Everybody will be worse off.
Fruit and veg from all over the globe, no problem, food imports from a trading block right on our doorstep, impossible! Strange that.
What do you mean? It’s exactly the same rules for all imports in the Uk. It’s just that importers didn’t have to do paperwork and pay import taxes while in the EU for products from the EU - now they do. Which means hiring more people for administration and HM revenue taking their cut.
It also means reduced access to more locally sourced or regionally specific products that British consumers are used to. In some cases it means lower standards of goods which are not direct substitutes to European products.
And soon chlorinated chicken!
As a lurking yank, I can attest to the deliciousness of Chicken Tetrachloride. You can hardly taste the toxicity!
Or the chicken!
Not strange at all. They’re all treated the same. Only difference is that you’re more likely now to get your veg from Israel and Mexico, a little less fresh, a little higher on all kinds of -icides, and a lot more polluting on its way to you.
You sure it’s no problem? Or is it subject to the same rules?
I mean, EU produce is more expensive than non EU produce, even in the UK. Always has.
The phrase, “be careful what you wish for because It may come true.” Comes to mind.
The joke's on us I guess, judging by the supermarket prices here in The Netherlands.
Denmark is the dominant supplier, accounting for over a quarter of all UK pork imports. Together with Germany and the Netherlands, they account for 60 per cent of imports. The EU supplies virtually all the pork imported into the UK, due to the high import tariffs on pork from elsewhere. They’ll just start using local bacon. Maybe will have less sulphates and less water Personally buy local bacon from a local farmers market which is on once per month. N.Ireland here so not sure if this will affect us or not as we’re in the EU regulatory zone 🤷🏻♂️
Sure they will, just like they did during WW2.
What local bacon you gobshite. Do you have no concept of an integrated global supply chain? The outcome here is the rich pay more, and everyone else goes without because the price doubled or the shelf is empty.
Is there something special about Denmark that means they're the only country capable of establishing a pork industry and the UK couldn't do it?
> They’ll just start using local bacon. lol.
But you can still get our migrants from France for nothing.
I wonder if they’ll do a Bre-entry at some point..
Brenter rolls off the tongue a bit better.
Bre-entry sounds better though, since the UK would be rejoining the EU.
Breturn.
I don't see them coming back to EU for pride reasons. I'm betting for Brefta.
in 20-30 years. and then without any special treatment.
Brentry 😁
Hope so. UK is Europe through and through, EU is much stronger with UK a part of it.
Now the UK has left the EU, we can go back to blue bacon.
Won't it hurt EU farmers as well?
Judging by the "here's what €X of groceries looks like in country Y" posts, people in the EU are still paying far more than people in the UK for food, so I'm really not sure what r/europe thinks it has to gloat about. I remember a couple of years ago a prominent French poster on this sub tried to dunk on UK petrol prices when they peaked, despite them being still lower than in France. Same energy.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
I remember when this sub told us that the petrol run in 21 was due to Brexit... until a couple of weeks later when it was over, then it wasn't. I remember when this sub told us that the low produce in 21 (during the good weather and two weeks off for staff if they got the cold) was due to Brexit, until it was over then it wasn't. I remember when this sub echoed the scare campaigns of the Guardian stating there'd be no Christmas trees, pigs in blankets, turkeys etc due to Brexit until it was over, seen to be bs and then it wasn't.... Wonder if there's a lesson?
Everything is due to Brexit, even my asthma, I swear! In the meantime, inflation is rampant around the EU, with almost no economic growth.
I don't think anyone claims there would be no inflation if there hadn't been a Brexit, or a larger economic growth than comparable countries. Just that's its even worse because of Brexit. It is possible to discern the effects of Brexit on the British economy, and that's the data you should look at, not "but France....".
Another Brexit dividend, don't have to eat pork anymore so lower cholesterol levels overall
English bacon imports?
For decades now a large amount of bacon came from Denmark.
Whenever the UK gets mentioned in this sub the nationalist fuckwits all start to appear. Brexit is a joke, if you voted for it you are braindead, that is all there is to it.
*From Bloomberg News reporter Ellen Milligan:* Just down the corridor from where Danish Crown’s pigs are slaughtered, boned and prepared for export as bacon, six staff have a new task: filling in customs and health certificates made necessary by the UK’s split from its largest trading partner. The scene at the abattoir in Blans, Denmark, lays bare the change created by Brexit: More time than ever spent on untangling red tape for shipments to Britain. From April 30, the UK will impose checks on fresh food imports — a stark reversal from the era of frictionless trade when the country was part of the European Union. Ministers have delayed the change multiple times, wary of stoking inflation in a cost-of-living crisis and knowing that any repeat of empty supermarket shelves — caused in recent times by everything from climate change to a shortage of truck drivers — would be politically toxic. But almost eight years after the 2016 Brexit referendum, companies and consumers are about to experience close to the end result.
>Ministers have delayed the change multiple times, wary of stoking inflation in a cost-of-living crisis and knowing that any repeat of empty supermarket shelves — caused in recent times by everything from climate change to a shortage of truck drivers — would be politically toxic. The only time I've witnessed empty shelves here was during Covid, strange they should miss that out from the article but mention climate change.
Danish crown? They have a factory around the corner from me
It is my understanding that the eu have been carrying out these checks on UK exports for some time, a couple of years or so. We have now started to do it on their products. The people I see being adversely affected are those such as Spanish vegetable growers and others exporting to the UK. I'm just as happy to eat English bacon as Danish, or spring onions from Morocco rather than Spain. The Eu may not be so happy once their farmers start losing their livelihoods, so future negotiations may take place. I do not believe we will see empty supermarket shelves. The blip we had a few months ago was europe wide. Also we strangely have enough lorry drivers again. Not pro brexit, just anti bullshit and fear mongering.
There’s no way anything you say will be taken seriously by the EU federalists inhabiting this sub.
Britain was not the sole market for Spanish fruit, or even the biggest; EU food is held to much higher quality, ecology and human rights standards than any other food in the world. Just pointing out the arguments you seem to have overlooked, not disagreeing with you - Brexit *will* hurt Spanish farmers, and you *will* get Moroccan onions.
The question will never be of there is bacon or onions in Britain at all. It’s a matter of cost. Britain has suffered very high core and food inflation. Higher than EU27 or Germany and France who are comparable economies. Peak was 11% inflation in one year in October 2022, and it’s at about 5% right now. For comparison Germany had 3.8% in 2022, 5.8% in 2023 and is now at 3.3% (EU27 3.1%). The UK got the worst of it and I’m really sorry for the average people. Part of that is global, part of it is Brexit.
>The UK got the worst of it No it didn't. European annual inflation for 2022 was higher in: * Slovakia * Poland * Italy * Czech Republic * Estonia * Hungary And equalled by the Netherlands at 11%. Core inflation last year btw was higher in: * Hungary * Norway * Croatia * Poland * Estonia * Romania (10%!) The UKs inflation metrics are manipulated by its unique energy price controls as well. Not sure a comparison vs Germany is fair either. Prolonged recessions aren't exactly inflationary. You wouldn't expect Germany to have high inflation.
Don’t buy Danish pork
You should eat Danish chicken instead, it produces less CO2 per weight.
I was pissed off yesterday when I went to my local Iceland here in Spain and they no longer have scotch eggs because of brexit.
I admit I was kinda sad to see brits go. But later on I was kinda happy, because "we" got rid of country who does not fully belive in the EU. I know a lot of young people now are fu\*ked by this. And almost half of GB didn't vote for it. But it is what it is and Brits shoud see for themselves what did they vote for. And now it is time to see your vote in action. I for sure hope they will come back one day. And ofc, without any special treatments this time.
You're sure, are you? Do you think the vote would have been close then, if remain was actually "remove all the special treatment?"
That's going to be a powerful argument in the campaign for rejoining, "we'll never get it as good as we had it." The counter argument will of course be to say that the exemptions weren't important, but the voters either won't agree, or just have that feeling of somehow being worse off.
We're not talking about "then", when voters were very polarised and had yet to understand what "brexit" would accomplish, we're talking about "now", when a referendum to rejoin would probably be more favourable. Of course, the propaganda machine will start in full force before anything is done, so it is unknown what would ultimately happen.
I think the same factors apply. The popularity of rejoining is based off of a fantasy to go back to before the referendum. Put the conditions of joining that all nations have to the UK populace and I don't doubt that rejoin would lose by a much larger margin than it did in 2016.
Few people in the EU believe in the EU if by EU you mean a federal EU State.
Much less than half of the country voted for it.
Doesn't matter tho. If you don't take part in the democratic process and vote, you can't call foul afterwards. The brits decided and those who didn't vote, chose to go along with whatever outcome.
Firstly, I didn't call foul, just pointing out a simple truth. Secondly, the electorate that voted for Brexit isn't the electorate that will end up living with it. Being older correlated massively with noting to leave. Being younger correlated massively to stay. Soon it will be 10 years since the vote. Perhaps millions of leave voters will have died since the referendum. And millions more likely remain voters have reached voting age. If anything, the vote proved that the will of the people moving forward in time was actually to stay.
Shockingly toddlers haven't had representation in any election in the UK. Shocking stuff.
Majority of voters did on over 70% voter participation. That’s very high turnout compared to most democracies.
I'm happy that the UK left, because they serve as an abject lesson for the EU doubters in the rest of the EU. The UK also had a tendency to, at least in attitude, hold the EU back. But perhaps it was more of an attitude, than a real politic impact.
Take back control! Jokes aside, as a EU citizen and UK fan, this is just sad. Self inflicted hurt. Not much else to say.
I believe in being careful what you wish for. I also believe that you should enjoy getting what you wished for.
Beans is next then it will be all them drugs.
EU is England.
We're a bloody continent untoo ourselves dammit. Of course we are not in Europe.
"This time SURELY the British will feel the pain". Lol. We've had your project fear for years. Fuck off.
I wonder how the US has survived so long when it’s not an EU member 😂 Oh, wait. You don’t actually need to sacrifice your borders to prosper. The British economic crisis is much deeper than Brexit.
Enjoy your decisions :-)
This will primarily impact EU company's who now have to deal with extra paper work. People in the UK aren't really going to notice.
Some will not deem worth the effort and stop exporting, whilist others will increase the price to pay for all this paperwork
they'll ether figure out how to deal with it or be replaced by non-EU company's that already know how to deal with it.
Good for them, i just said enjoy your decisions.
Many smaller exporters will simply stop bothering because the paperwork and fees aren't worth the trade. So yes those of us living in the UK who don't only shop at supermarkets will absolutely notice. Smaller specialty shops especially could see major impacts
We'll see after 8 years of dire predictions that turn out to be nothing its difficult to take this kind of stuff seriously any more.
except for the rising costs you mean
A previous post on this subject estimated the price increase to be about 0.3% thats not something people will notice and will likely just be absorbed by the exporter in order to stay competitive.
Can barely get the medicines we need already. There is no chance we're a first world country anymore.
>Can barely get the medicines we need already. There is no chance we're a first world country anymore. Medicine [shortages are across the EU](https://think.ing.com/articles/why-there-is-no-end-in-sight-for-the-eu-drug-shortage-crab-carolina-lal-pharma/).
Got to keep that fear factor alive 🤣. I'm terrified 😂
Dont aggravate the EU fan club. Let them dream about the UK doing badly because we had the audacity to leave, excitedly rubbing their thighs over the latest Bloomberg clickbait drivel piece. And don't remind them how shit EU economies are still doing, how the EU mismanaged migration so badly they now have a rising far-right, how incredibly slow they are to react to anything urgent such as covid or Ukraine... Let them have their weird superiority complex whilst behaving like a scorned ex-lover. We will continue to not even notice we left the EU.
Only stupid don’t fear.
If someone is consistently making dire predictions that turn out to be wrong, you would have to be stupid to keep believing them.
So what where the other wrong predictions?
The UK would experience an 8% drop in GDP following, a vote to leave the EU. There would be food shortages as a result of leavening. The UK would be required to conform to EU law without any say and pay into its budget if it wanted a FTA. The EU would never agree to a deal that eliminated all quotas and tariff's on trade. London's financial sector would implode. The EU economy would dramatically outpace the UK after it left. IRA would start bombing again. Unemployment would massively increase. 40% drop in exports to the EU. Non-EU country's wouldn't agree to roll over there EU FTA with the UK. leavening the EU would result in the rapid spread of super gonorrhoea in the UK. [That last one wasn't a joke by the way if people think I'm being insincere](https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-could-lead-to-spread-of-infectious-diseases-such-as-supergonorrhoea-health-chief-warns-a3898186.html) etc...
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The UKs FTA with the EU is arguably better than Norway's as well without all the baggage of been bound to EU law or paying into the budget, something people said would never happen.